Xenoblade and The Last Story in the US?

[MorPhiend]

Source: NTSC Xenoblade Done, The Last Story In Progress
NTSC Xenoblade Finished Prior to E3 Nintendo of America Sitting on Announcement

July 7, 2011

American localization of Xenoblade is complete, The Last Story is currently being translated to English for an American release, but there is no word on Pandora’s Tower localization. This information was disclosed to Operation Rainfall today from a source within Nintendo who wishes to remain anonymous. There is currently no indication of when Nintendo of America plans to formally announce these titles.

Last week Nintendo of America told its followers on Facebook and Twitter that it had no plans to bring Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora’s tower to America “at this time.” Nintendo intentionally left open the possibility of release. Allegedly, the Redmond, WA branch has been working with other branches to bring Xenoblade and The Last Story to North America.

According to our source, The NTSC version of Xenoblade was completed just over a month ago, while testing for the PAL and NTSC versions of The Last Story could begin in a month. There is currently no word on localization for an NTSC version of Pandora’s Tower.

Remember, this information was disclosed to Operation Rainfall in confidence. Until Nintendo of America makes an announcement, there will be no official word of an NTSC release. However, this news has increased our hope for a North American release of these games. It could also explain why retailers like Amazon continue to have Xenoblade (Monado: Beginning of the World) listed on their website.

Make of this information what you will, but after much internal discussion Operation Rainfall believed it would be best to share this information with our followers. Consider this our announcement of a forthcoming announcement.

Help us keep the pressure on Nintendo, and hopefully we will get a formal announcement of Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower sooner rather than later.
http://oprainfall.blogspot.com/2011/07/source-ntsc-xenoblade-done-last-story.html

Just a rumor at this point, but there is hope. I see no reason for the people who started this campaign to pull a hoax.



UPDATE: 15 July 2011
Nintendo Issued The Last Story Trademark in US
Release of missing Wii game is still unlikely.

Nintendo of America has been officially issued a trademark for The Last Story,one of the missing Wii games that the company said it had no plans to bring to the US.

Nintendo filed for the trademark back in January 2010, but only received it this week. This doesn't mean that the company will release the game, but it could spark hope in those fans still holding out on the Mistwalker RPG.

The game is still on track for a 2012 release in Europe.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1182192p1.html

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's not bad news.

[JasonTerminator]

I doubt this is true. If Nintendo was going to release these games, they would have announced it.

Even announcing it at this point won't get rid of the bad taste in people's mouths from their flippant response to the fan campaign.

[theflicker]

Interesting if true. I don't look forward to the mediocre sales these titles will receive, but I'll definitely be looking at them day 1.

[KingBroly]

NOA hasn't released their Q3 release schedule yet, so anything's technically possible.

[Dead of Knight]

This is bullshit per a very reliable source at GAF.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29162422&postcount=7

[pete5883]

It's kind of funny that some guy is very careful to protect his identity, and isn't even right.

[blueshinra]

It's kind of funny that some guy is very careful to protect his identity, and isn't even right.
Not if they were deliberately trolling, which is possible.

[EverNight]

It's also possible they want to hold these titles over for the Wii U launch since they are supposedly going after the less casual crowd now and don't want the barren launch line up the 3DS had.

[LostRoad]

All this over these two games. Sure they look good but where the hell is DQX already?

[JasonTerminator]

All this over these two games. Sure they look good but where the hell is DQX already?

Probably being ported to the Wii-U as a launch title. Nintendo would love to have everybody in Japan buy a Wii-U on day 1, and that would make it happen.

And, as an added bonus, it would be another fuck you to Wii owners, who wonder why they waited hours for this console back in '06.

[Supreme0ne]

the sooner dqx comes out the sooner i buy whatever system it ends up on. personally im pulling for the wii u so i can just skip the wii completely but still enjoy the few games it has that i'd like to play

[johnnypark]

the sooner dqx comes out the sooner i buy whatever system it ends up on. personally im pulling for the wii u so i can just skip the wii completely but still enjoy the few games it has that i'd like to play

Wii U is backwards compatible so you can do that anyway?

[blueshinra]

Probably being ported to the Wii-U as a launch title. Nintendo would love to have everybody in Japan buy a Wii-U on day 1, and that would make it happen.

And, as an added bonus, it would be another fuck you to Wii owners, who wonder why they waited hours for this console back in '06.
DQX is still a Wii game, at least as of last month - http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/23/dqx_wiiu_clarification/

[JasonTerminator]

DQX is still a Wii game, at least as of last month - http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/23/dqx_wiiu_clarification/

Alrighty, it's gonna be on both, like Twilight Princess, the Zelda game promised to GCN owners, only to have a superior version out on the Wii before the GCN version's release.

So I'm gonna call it right now - Two versions of DQX, one on Wii-U and one on the Wii. Everybody loses. Except Nintendo, laughing all the way to the bank.

[KingBroly]

If NOA doesn't put out either Xenoblade and/or Last Story, a lot less people are going to buy DQX when it comes out stateside because of it.

[stinkycat]

Even though I hate NOA, I'll buy DQ X anyway it if its on the Wii.
I just don't want to get a Wii U until there is actually release dates for rpgs and we aren't getting party games instead.

[Dead of Knight]

Even though I hate NOA, I'll buy DQ X anyway it if its on the Wii.

Buy it used.

[Cheapskate]

This is bullshit per a very reliable source at GAF.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29162422&postcount=7

I figured they got something wrong when they referred to "American localization," since if it does come over, I'd assume it to be just a NTSC format version of the already finished European localization.

But calling it complete bullshit? Why would NOA Product Testing be testing a PAL version of a game and/or a game NOA doesn't plan to release? Seems like that would be a waste of time/money.

[62t]

I figured they got something wrong when they referred to "American localization," since if it does come over, I'd assume it to be just a NTSC format version of the already finished European localization.

But calling it complete bullshit? Why would NOA Product Testing be testing a PAL version of a game and/or a game NOA doesn't plan to release? Seems like that would be a waste of time/money.

In the past NOA has tested other NOE only games. NOA has one of the best game testing team around.

[LostRoad]

If NOA doesn't put out either Xenoblade and/or Last Story, a lot less people are going to buy DQX when it comes out stateside because of it.

I would love to hear the logic behind this.

[pete5883]

Buy it used.
Yes, help reinforce the perception that RPGs don't sell on Wii, ensuring games like XB/TLS never come to NA.

[TheLongshot]

If NOA doesn't put out either Xenoblade and/or Last Story, a lot less people are going to buy DQX when it comes out stateside because of it.

To be honest, I doubt many DQ fans have even heard of Xenoblade or Last Story. Don't get the arrogance that we represent the whole Nintendo audience.

[Dead of Knight]

Yes, help reinforce the perception that RPGs don't sell on Wii, ensuring games like XB/TLS never come to NA.

Except they aren't coming to NA anyway. By the time DQX comes out, they're not going to go back and release XB/TLS here.

[ChibiJosh]

Except they aren't coming to NA anyway. By the time DQX comes out, they're not going to go back and release XB/TLS here.
I think you missed the keyword "like". Maybe more RPGs will be made for the Wii U, but they won't be brought out because low sales for DQX. Maybe even DQXI won't come to the US and you'll be bitching about it even though it's your own fault.
Boycotting because a title you want doesn't make it over is idiotic because all it does is ensure that more titles you want won't come over.

[Vinny]

I think you missed the keyword "like". Maybe more RPGs will be made for the Wii U, but they won't be brought out because low sales for DQX. Maybe even DQXI won't come to the US and you'll be bitching about it even though it's your own fault.
Boycotting because a title you want doesn't make it over is idiotic because all it does is ensure that more titles you want won't come over.

If DQX sells well, what makes you think Nintendo will decide to release more RPGs in the future besides more DQ games? Seems like Nintendo isn't willing to take many risks when it comes to non-shovelware titles that aren't part of an existing popular franchise. I don't think they ever will be since nearly every major seller on the Wii is casual software, crap or Mario-something.

I mean, would it kill Nintendo to take some small risks? They're not exactly in financial trouble and there's clearly a some demand for Xenoblade and TLS.

[ChibiJosh]

If DQX sells well, what makes you think Nintendo will decide to release more RPGs in the future besides more DQ games?

I'm not saying it will. I'm saying that if DQX sells poorly then it will re-enforce the idea that JRPGs won't sell well here, and there will be no chance for JRPGs in the future.

there's clearly a some demand for Xenoblade and TLS.

I think one thing that people are overlooking here is that by the time NoA is able to release the 3 games, the Wii U will probably be out. It's the same reason why very few PSP games are going to be released now. And honestly I think we're losing more from the PSP than these 3 games from the Wii.

[pete5883]

I think you missed the keyword "like". Maybe more RPGs will be made for the Wii U, but they won't be brought out because low sales for DQX. Maybe even DQXI won't come to the US and you'll be bitching about it even though it's your own fault.
Boycotting because a title you want doesn't make it over is idiotic because all it does is ensure that more titles you want won't come over.
I don't think DQXI is the best example. Nintendo seems to be in bed with S-E and will probably bring out DQ games til the end of time. They're publishing Joker 2 here, for chrissakes.

[soonersfan60]

If NOA is dead set against these games coming out in the U.S. and at the same time they're promising renewed focus on hardcoard gamers with WiiU, then logically I would think that a slightly enhanced version of these games will launch with WiiU.

[Vinny]

I'm not saying it will. I'm saying that if DQX sells poorly then it will re-enforce the idea that JRPGs won't sell well here, and there will be no chance for JRPGs in the future.



I think one thing that people are overlooking here is that by the time NoA is able to release the 3 games, the Wii U will probably be out. It's the same reason why very few PSP games are going to be released now. And honestly I think we're losing more from the PSP than these 3 games from the Wii.

Fair enough on the first point though I think the opposite could also hold true: if Nintendo keeps releasing the same old franchises, they'll again be reinforcing the stereotype that they rely too much on their own first party games.

As for the Wii U, yes, I'm sure they'll promote it hard but no way will they ignore the Wii. The Wii has a huge installed based and I doubt the Wii U will sell anywhere nearly as well as the Wii initially did. I mean, the 3DS hasn't exactly been breaking sales records so it's good for Nintendo to have the DS still going strong. I'm sure they'll enjoy having some games on the Wii in the likely event that the Wii U gets off to a slow start.

[Sir_Fragalot]

I don't think DQXI is the best example. Nintendo seems to be in bed with S-E and will probably bring out DQ games til the end of time. They're publishing Joker 2 here, for chrissakes.
Until I get confirmation of Rocket Slime 3 here in the US. I would like to doubt that they are in bed with them and they just like to make out occasionally :lol:. Still though if they want me to buy this Wii-U, show me you want us to buy new games like Xenoblade by releasing them in the US.

[Japanese Dorito]

I seriously wanted these games to come to America, looks like my Wii will be collecting more dust now...

and I hate the DQ series, only one I can really stand is DQVIII

[pete5883]

Until I get confirmation of Rocket Slime 3 here in the US. I would like to doubt that they are in bed with them and they just like to make out occasionally :lol:. Still though if they want me to buy this Wii-U, show me you want us to buy new games like Xenoblade by releasing them in the US.
I think it'll happen.

[MorPhiend]

Nintendo Issued The Last Story Trademark in US
Release of missing Wii game is still unlikely.

Nintendo of America has been officially issued a trademark for The Last Story,one of the missing Wii games that the company said it had no plans to bring to the US.

Nintendo filed for the trademark back in January 2010, but only received it this week. This doesn't mean that the company will release the game, but it could spark hope in those fans still holding out on the Mistwalker RPG.

The game is still on track for a 2012 release in Europe.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1182192p1.html

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's not bad news.

[Sir_Fragalot]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1182192p1.html

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's not bad news.
Probably to make sure no one steals the name, and then says hey Nintendo, we made a game called the same thing that you refused to release here :lol:

[Ryuukishi]

Base-covering. I don't think it changes anything wrt actual release plans.

[arcane93]

Huh, still no announced release yet that I'm aware of, but I just got the following email from Amazon (bolding mine):

We're still trying to obtain the following item[s] you ordered on June 25 2011 (Order# xxx-xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx).

"Monado: Beginning of the World"
Estimated arrival date: September 24 2011

If you would like to learn more about pre-ordering video games from Amazon.com, including when you can expect to receive your new video game, please visit our help page.

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.



The main item page still doesn't list any release date. Anyone want to guess whether it actually means anything, or whether Amazon is just confused?

[soonersfan60]

It would be smart for Nintendo to gauge interest via pre-orders. If there are enough pre-orders, release it in N.A... if not, then cancel it.

[b3b0p]

I preorderd that Monado game. It won't ever come though.

Received my Xenoblade today, can't wait to boot it up.

[Vinny]

As long as NoE releases TLG and Pandora's Tower, I'm happy. This game looks fucking gorgeous on the Dolphin Emulator.

[pete5883]

Huh, still no announced release yet that I'm aware of, but I just got the following email from Amazon (bolding mine):




The main item page still doesn't list any release date. Anyone want to guess whether it actually means anything, or whether Amazon is just confused?
That's just what amazon does when you order something without a release date. Doesn't mean anything.

[MorPhiend]

As long as NoE releases TLG and Pandora's Tower, I'm happy. This game looks fucking gorgeous on the Dolphin Emulator.

That's what I heard. I... obtained... Xenoblade a few days ago. Was gonna boot it up, but decided till I could get around to setting up Dolphin on my laptop to play in 1080p.

[KingBroly]

Here you go, Xenoblade's coming stateside:
http://kotaku.com/5864496/xenoblade-chronicles-coming-to-north-america-from-an-unlikely-source

I can confirm this myself after going to Gamestop this morning and checked it out myself.

[Friend of Sonic]

Wow, that's unexpected.
And good on Gamestop. I guess I have a reason to support those bozos.

[cochesecochese]

I hope this sells better than Chibi-Robo:Park Patrol.

[Sir_Fragalot]

Nintendo just put pictures of Xenoblade on their Facebook page so it's all but confirmed now.

[MorPhiend]

Well isn't this craptastic?

By that point, I would have rather waited a few more months and had a revamped WiiU version...

[Supreme0ne]

happy to hear this. ive read so many awesome things about this game and just picked up a wii a few weeks ago!

[maigoyume]

Phew, good thing I didn't import a PAL copy of it. This'll be nice to grab when it gets released, hopefully they release the other titles from Operation Rainfall as well.

[soonersfan60]

Day 1 purchase for me. I might actually even pre-order it at GS (something I have done only one other time in the past... to get my Wii system on launch day).

I know alot of you bought the PAL import, but if you have the budget I suggest double-dipping to send a loud message to NOA that they dropped the ball on this one (and hopefully get all future releases on time).

[Strell]

Excellent. The second round of posturing will be sweeter than the first.

[Animekatt]

I'm so glad I waited to mod my Wii, and import the EU version. I just had a small feeling that it would indeed be released in 2012, and that Nintendo was pulling our legs. About to go to Gamestop to place my preorder.:bouncy:

[skubish]

Fuck NoA. I got my EU version and I am not buying another because of their dishonesty. Great game though.

[Vinny]

Fuck NoA. I got my EU version and I am not buying another because of their dishonesty. Great game though.

Although I can't blame you, this is unfortunately what's going to ruin our chances of seeing TLS and Pandora's Tower (or any other unique title). A lot of people who wanted this game imported it from Europe and NoA is probably going to see a lackluster sales because of it and basically tell themselves that they were right all along.

I plan to import copies of TLS and Pandora's Tower from Europe (I'm minimizing how much money I give to NoA) but I do hope enough people here buy Xenoblade so that NoA starts remembering its fans. I realize the hypocrisy here but NoE took the risks and did the legwork while NoA basically sat there and continually ignored their own fans.

[Strell]

http://s9.postimage.org/ko3ag7i3h/PAXenoblade_Hat.png

[Sir_Fragalot]

Happy for Xenoblade, I just wish Nintendo would of said it's coming out in America in 2012 earlier like in the Summer. I would of waited for the American version then.

Actually if it's a different voice cast for the game, I might double dip just to get the American voice cast and then decide who I want to play. I feel that I have to support unique games like this.

[TheLongshot]

Fuck NoA. I got my EU version and I am not buying another because of their dishonesty. Great game though.

What dishonesty? I don't think anyone actually said that it wouldn't come out in the US, just that there were no plans to at the time. You made the decision whether or not to wait to see if NOA would release it and you decided to import it.

Course, maybe your actions helped grease the wheels to get it over here. Some suspected that it could be based on European sales.

Although I can't blame you, this is unfortunately what's going to ruin our chances of seeing TLS and Pandora's Tower (or any other unique title).

Not sure how you envision the chances being better without a release of Xenoblade. To be honest, I think this is the best chance to convince NOA to release those games here. I'll probably break with my usual practice and actually buy this on release just to make a statement.

[animalspinners]

Was waiting until I finished Skyward Sword until I messed around with my Wii's region lock and imported the game; glad to see now I don't need to. April 2012 is a long wait but I can manage.

[JasonTerminator]

When I first heard the announcement, I thought it was going to be a shame that this was going to get a US release and I still wasn't going to buy it.

But now that I know I can buy it directly from Nintendo, and not support Gamestop in any way, I'll happily preorder this puppy!

[Vinny]

Not sure how you envision the chances being better without a release of Xenoblade. To be honest, I think this is the best chance to convince NOA to release those games here. I'll probably break with my usual practice and actually buy this on release just to make a statement.

I don't think you understood what I said. I was referring to skubish's anger towards NoA and saying there's a lot of people just like him. Because NoA said "no" with the huge support Operation Rainfall garnered, a lot of people decided to import the game. Those same probably are probably not going to buy the game again. Those are lost sales for NoA for when they do eventually release it.

Additionally, it's a GameStop exclusive... I'm not sure if that's a good idea.:-k

[thingsfallnapart]

I will be buying from Nintendo on this one. No need to buy the one gutted copy of the game each gamestop store will have.

[ChibiJosh]

I gotta wonder if the only reason this is coming over is because someone at Gamestop approached NOA and said "Look, we'll shoulder quarter/half/whatever the cost of bringing this game over, if you make it so only we can sell it."

Shame I imported a copy just a couple weeks ago. I'll think about getting a second one though.

[TheLongshot]

I don't think you understood what I said. I was referring to skubish's anger towards NoA and saying there's a lot of people just like him. Because NoA said "no" with the huge support Operation Rainfall garnered, a lot of people decided to import the game. Those same probably are probably not going to buy the game again. Those are lost sales for NoA for when they do eventually release it.

Actually, some of those people might buy it again to put their money where their mouth is. I'll probably buy it on release to do the same.

Additionally, it's a GameStop exclusive... I'm not sure if that's a good idea.:-k

You will also be able to buy it directly from Nintendo, which for those people who were very vocal about getting it is probably a good thing.

[Dead of Knight]

I'm in for double dipping. I'll probably never play it though. Already logged over 160 hours on the PAL version.

Can't believe this is really happening. And on the day before my birthday too.

[MorPhiend]

Not sure how you envision the chances being better without a release of Xenoblade. To be honest, I think this is the best chance to convince NOA to release those games here. I'll probably break with my usual practice and actually buy this on release just to make a statement.

I'm not wasting the money. I did that with RE4, Viewtiful Joe, P.N.03, No More Heroes, Baten Kaitos, MadWorld, The Conduit, The Conduit 2, Zack & Wiki, Okami and probably tons others (These are just a quick spout off from the top of my head). I thought I was supporting innovative titles and showing publishers that to take more risks is profitable. The result? Every one of these titles dropped to $5-10 within a handful of weeks and (in many cases) they went from Nintendo exclusive to multi-platform in the same time period.

I know most of these are not Nintendo published titles. They're just an example of a much larger problem: that is Nintendo doesn't take risks to begin with. Remember playing Disaster: Day of Crisis? How about Doshin the Giant? Sin & Punishment (N64)? Add Nintendo Puzzle Collection (this "puzzles" me like no other as it surely would have sold tons of copies), Stafy, NPC Pikmin 2 and again, I'm sure many others I'm not thinking of. Nintendo is simply arrogant. This is the same company that constantly says things to the effect of the gamer doesn't know what they want until Nintendo invents it. Then they suddenly realize they have always wanted that. That is a great way to explain their adventure-fulness in creating hardware. But unfortunately this idea also creeps into deciding what software certain gamers deserve to have. And they have a piss-poor record in this regard.

My lesson? I've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars breaking from my rules of not buying above $15-20 titles in order to pre-order and support companies for taking a risk on us Nintendo fans. 100% of the time I am sucker punched for doing so.

I'm not saying don't support this game. It's an awesome title and worth $50. But don't be so naive to think that even though you paid to import the game or have played through it already, by wasting your money to "send a message" you'll single-handedly change the way the industry works.

The fact is that niche and exclusive titles sink on Nintendo consoles since the N64 days. And one title on an underpowered, decade old machine won't change that. I hope the WiiU being ahead of the competition for a short time can change that course. But that is why I was hoping that the Operation Rainfall titles would be revamped for that system. Imagine what releasing Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, TLS, a new and exclusive Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter all on the WiiU, all within the first 6-12 months of the console's life?

Nintendo has always been ahead of the curve on hardware ideas (not necessarily technology-wise in the past 8 years - just ideas). But they also have always been playing catch up in the marketing department. The 3DS is a recent example, as is this decision to release Xenoblade, a year+ old title, on the Wii on the eve of the WiiU launch.

They'll never learn, and your $50 won't change that fact...

[lutz]

Well, whatever operation rainfall did, it worked a little bit. Nintendo officially announces Xenoblade for a US release this April or so. Personally I think it's too late, as they should have released it while the Wii was in decline, and not on the way out. I have to agree with Morp a little bit, as they don't learn too much from their mistakes, and that our money doesn't change that.

That being said, if you haven't moved on from the Wii yet, I do encourage buying the game as low sales will cause Nintendo to falsely think that it was a bad decision to "change their minds".

[pippin]

If you honestly buy some games to support the developers, why on earth would you be upset when said games drop in price? Because you could have waited and supported them less?

One person buying one game doesn't send a message. Many people buying a game does.

[MorPhiend]

That being said, if you haven't moved on from the Wii yet, I do encourage buying the game as low sales will cause Nintendo to falsely think that it was a bad decision to "change their minds".

And I hope no one gets me wrong. I just want to re-iterate what I said in my previous post. If you haven't played/bought this already. Buy American! But I don't think anyone should feel the need to double dip. But it is your choice. I just feel you'll eventually feel like me - wasted 100's-1,000's of dollars before too long with nothing to show for it...

[TheLongshot]

I'm not wasting the money. I did that with RE4, Viewtiful Joe, P.N.03, No More Heroes, Baten Kaitos, MadWorld, The Conduit, The Conduit 2, Zack & Wiki, Okami and probably tons others (These are just a quick spout off from the top of my head). I thought I was supporting innovative titles and showing publishers that to take more risks is profitable. The result? Every one of these titles dropped to $5-10 within a handful of weeks and (in many cases) they went from Nintendo exclusive to multi-platform in the same time period.

I have also done my share of that, tho the titles I did do it with (Metroid: Other M, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Epic Mickey) I usually had deals to go along with it to knock down the price a bit. Price drops happen with games. As CAGers, we know this and understand that buying early has a cost associated with it.

I know most of these are not Nintendo published titles. They're just an example of a much larger problem: that is Nintendo doesn't take risks to begin with. Remember playing Disaster: Day of Crisis? How about Doshin the Giant? Sin & Punishment (N64)? Add Nintendo Puzzle Collection (this "puzzles" me like no other as it surely would have sold tons of copies), Stafy, NPC Pikmin 2 and again, I'm sure many others I'm not thinking of. Nintendo is simply arrogant. This is the same company that constantly says things to the effect of the gamer doesn't know what they want until Nintendo invents it. Then they suddenly realize they have always wanted that. That is a great way to explain their adventure-fulness in creating hardware. But unfortunately this idea also creeps into deciding what software certain gamers deserve to have. And they have a piss-poor record in this regard.

My lesson? I've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars breaking from my rules of not buying above $15-20 titles in order to pre-order and support companies for taking a risk on us Nintendo fans. 100% of the time I am sucker punched for doing so.

Well, to be fair, the developers who did take the risk didn't have enough of you buying the games. That's the reason why the prices did drop, or that they went out of print. So it kinda goes both ways.

I'm not saying don't support this game. It's an awesome title and worth $50. But don't be so naive to think that even though you paid to import the game or have played through it already, by wasting your money to "send a message" you'll single-handedly change the way the industry works.

Not nearly that naive, and I'm buying because I'm interested in the game, but at this point, the only thing that speaks is money. Maybe it won't be enough and the odds are long, but I'm doing it anyways.

The fact is that niche and exclusive titles sink on Nintendo consoles since the N64 days. And one title on an underpowered, decade old machine won't change that. I hope the WiiU being ahead of the competition for a short time can change that course. But that is why I was hoping that the Operation Rainfall titles would be revamped for that system. Imagine what releasing Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, TLS, a new and exclusive Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter all on the WiiU, all within the first 6-12 months of the console's life?

It will be interesting to see how many do get updated, but I'm not expecting many. What got the update for the Wii? Metroid Prime, Twilight Princess and Pikmin? I wouldn't expect much for WiiU, particularly since the early focus will be on games using the new controller.

Nintendo has always been ahead of the curve on hardware ideas (not necessarily technology-wise in the past 8 years - just ideas). But they also have always been playing catch up in the marketing department. The 3DS is a recent example, as is this decision to release Xenoblade, a year+ old title, on the Wii on the eve of the WiiU launch.

They'll never learn, and your $50 won't change that fact...

Until we actually have a release date for the WiiU, I won't think it is the eve of launch. I expect it will be more like a year from now.

[MorPhiend]

If you honestly buy some games to support the developers, why on earth would you be upset when said games drop in price? Because you could have waited and supported them less?

One person buying one game doesn't send a message. Many people buying a game does.

Don't make smarmy comments, hoping for a fight.

That may not be your intention, but see what can happen when someone glosses over your post and jumps to conclusions? If you actually read what I wrote and think about it without jumping to conclusions, I bought many niche titles on release day for top dollar (knowing they would obviously eventually drop in price) for at least a couple of generations for the sole purpose of helping to show publishers that risks were appreciated. The result was not more of the same type of titles, but instead within weeks of release the titles went from $50 exclusives to $5 multi-platform. Despite this, I still continued my pattern for about a decade. And the only result was me losing money, the titles going non-exclusive and in many cases, future promised exclusives being turned multi-platform or cancelled outright.

And if you want to get nit-picky, I never said a word about developers. Developers are going to create what they want to create. It's the publishers that do or don't bring those titles to fruition. As much as I love quirky, imaginative, etc., developers and do support them, the only thing I mentioned is whether or not wasting your dollars was effectual in swaying a publisher's mind on those niche games from developers.

And notice, I said wasting, not spending. Obviously a publisher will only continue to do that which is profitable. In the case of Xenoblade, I cautioned not to waste money if you have played or bought the game previously as it will likely not create future good titles for American gamers by doing so. But I also encouraged people who have not played nor previously bought to go ahead and buy the American version, because that would not be wasting money, but money well spent.

Likewise, I mentioned having in the past bought niche titles at full price, not because I was stupid and didn't realize the price of games go down over time, but because I wanted to use my money to help create future goodwill with companies who brought good games to the consoles I loved. The only result was wasted money.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

[pippin]

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I can understand your frustration, but it seems like you're abandoning the concept of buying niche titles to show support for them just because the ones you've bought in the past didn't end up selling very well. It's not like these games got cheap and went multi-plat because supporting them with your wallet doesn't work. It was because there just weren't enough people doing what you did.

[uncle5555]

Day 1 purchase for me. I might actually even pre-order it at GS (something I have done only one other time in the past... to get my Wii system on launch day).

I know alot of you bought the PAL import, but if you have the budget I suggest double-dipping to send a loud message to NOA that they dropped the ball on this one (and hopefully get all future releases on time).

I did send them a loud message when I imported the PAL version, they screwed up, dropped the ball, whatever other analogy you can put here.

I'm super HAPPY they are bringing it here, but as you see how widely they are SUPPORTING it in the US, either buy it from Nintendo OR Gamestop.

That tells me one thing, they are afraid it will bomb because those interested have ALREADY bought the game and it won't sell that well in the US because of that fact. And aren't taking a HUGE financial risk with it by releasing it only at select places to minimize loss, so much for having faith in your product.

For all of the arm chair quarterbacks (or procrastinators more appropriately) you had NO IDEA they were planning this, so leave the Reggie (smug) factor at the door. I will still import Pandora and Last Story from NOE who I believe DESERVE my support for not only Xenoblade but also Disaster and hopefully more JPN only releases (Earth Seeker) that I've been wanting cause I know there's no chance in Hell that NOA is going to be on the ball with releasing any of those any time soon.

Reggie, is standing in front of the mirror rehearsing two speeches right now, one is "see we gave you what you wanted and you didn't buy it" [-(and the other is "see we gave you what you wanted now you owe us for our generosity now bow down and kiss my feet" :bow:

Either way he vindicates himself with uber-smugness in saying how right he was and how he KNEW what the TRUE FANS wanted...pompous ass. :^o

fuck NoA. I got my EU version and I am not buying another because of their dishonesty. Great game though.

They didn't lie, they just want to vindicate themselves either way (see above) unless it sells 500k (which it won't) they won't even consider the other two games NOE is releasing.

I'm curious to know what the import ratio was for Xenoblade, anyone have numbers that they saw somewhere?

What dishonesty? I don't think anyone actually said that it wouldn't come out in the US, just that there were no plans to at the time. You made the decision whether or not to wait to see if NOA would release it and you decided to import it.

Course, maybe your actions helped grease the wheels to get it over here. Some suspected that it could be based on European sales.

Not sure how you envision the chances being better without a release of Xenoblade. To be honest, I think this is the best chance to convince NOA to release those games here. I'll probably break with my usual practice and actually buy this on release just to make a statement.

No importers = No US version

You know that, so why deny him his anger of that, I agree with him (other than the lying part) even though I think they are a bunch of two faced weasels for pulling this stunt.


Although I can't blame you, this is unfortunately what's going to ruin our chances of seeing TLS and Pandora's Tower (or any other unique title). A lot of people who wanted this game imported it from Europe and NoA is probably going to see a lackluster sales because of it and basically tell themselves that they were right all along.

I plan to import copies of TLS and Pandora's Tower from Europe (I'm minimizing how much money I give to NoA) but I do hope enough people here buy Xenoblade so that NoA starts remembering its fans. I realize the hypocrisy here but NoE took the risks and did the legwork while NoA basically sat there and continually ignored their own fans.

Exactly right, this is Reggie throwing a bone, he wants to make money, but he's more than willing to come out and say we gave you your game and you don't buy it, well see how we reward you for doing something nice again.

This is the CATCH-22 of the situation (see his speech above) he can't loose if anything Nintendo looses a few dollars, but either way Reggie comes out smelling like a rose.

I'm not denying any of those who wanted a US version their small (but very hollow) victory to get the game, however remember their are MANY strings attached to this release, and don't count on burying your head in the sand AGAIN and when you come up that TLS and Pandora will come to the US just like this one eventually did, not gonna happen.

And Longshot, I SHOULDN'T HAVE to buy it again, I held out hope just as long as anyone that NOA would take the risk and throw us a bone, did it happen, no, so why should I reward them with my money over a stupid decision they made because it's slightly a matter of convenience (if I didn't have a modded system) that didn't stop me from importing Disaster, which NOA deemed wasn't worthy for me to play, and I'll be darned if I'm going to reward them and vote with my dollars because I want to send a message.

Message was already sent, I support NOE for their supporting and generous nature to Nintendo fans, NOA can go rot for all I care. :fridge:

I'm in for double dipping. I'll probably never play it though. Already logged over 160 hours on the PAL version.

Can't believe this is really happening. And on the day before my birthday too.

If there's one person, I'm shocked to hear say this, it's you, call me surprised at your response...

[TheLongshot]

I'm super HAPPY they are bringing it here, but as you see how widely they are SUPPORTING it in the US, either buy it from Nintendo themselves and Gamestop.

That tells me one thing, they are afraid it will bomb because those interested have ALREADY bought the game and it won't sell that well in the US because of that fact. And aren't taking a HUGE financial risk with it by releasing it only at select places to minimize loss, so much for having faith in your product.

Actually, the fact that it wasn't an automatic US release sends the message that they didn't think it would sell well, and considering how well the gamer games have done on the Wii, do you really blame them?

I guess you can argue that not everything needs to be a huge hit, and Nintendo should get out of that mentality or license those titles to smaller houses like XSeed or Atlus. I think it is a valid argument, even if Nintendo never does that.

No importers = No US version

You know that, so why deny him his anger of that, I agree with him (other than the lying part) even though I think they are a bunch of two faced weasels for pulling this stunt. Why not just be happy a good game is getting a release in the US? I don't think any of us are pretending that Xenoblade was going to be a big hit in the US, so all we were asking for was them to release the darn game. So, they are.

And Longshot, I SHOULDN'T HAVE to buy it againNor did I said you should. I was just saying that those who imported might want to. Obviously you've given up on this, no matter that you think that you and others importing the title got it over here. (Not that we really know all the reasons why it is happening now.)

[uncle5555]

Actually, the fact that it wasn't an automatic US release sends the message that they didn't think it would sell well, and considering how well the gamer games have done on the Wii, do you really blame them?

I guess you can argue that not everything needs to be a huge hit, and Nintendo should get out of that mentality or license those titles to smaller houses like XSeed or Atlus. I think it is a valid argument, even if Nintendo never does that.

Why not just be happy a good game is getting a release in the US? I don't think any of us are pretending that Xenoblade was going to be a big hit in the US, so all we were asking for was them to release the darn game. So, they are.

Nor did I said you should. I was just saying that those who imported might want to. Obviously you've given up on this, no matter that you think that you and others importing the title got it over here. (Not that we really know all the reasons why it is happening now.)

But the thing is WE DO KNOW WHY they are releasing it in the US, because of the huge numbers the Euro version sold, that's no secret.

And I'm sorry if I'm being Johnny Buzzkill, but NOA doesn't deserve my pity or support, they brag about the bags of cash made from the Wii then cry that the 3DS is bombing, and no one's buying Wii software and they are loosing money, announce a system no one wants yet, and have a confused look on their face like why is no one interested. I seriously can't believe they are that stupid. (but they are proving to me the opposite in the last decade)

If I could believe it was an altruistic decision on their part and Operation Rainfall had an effect (it didn't despite what deluded people want to believe) or that Nintendo changed their minds on any other purpose other than what I've pointed out, let's get real here, they did it to see if they can make a quick buck.

If you want a good laugh go read some of the posts over at Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xenoblade-chronicles-coming-to-north-america-6346991?tag=newstop%3Btitle%3B1), under the news post, you'd think Reggie is due for Sainthood with this announcement... O:)

You know based on this decision this MIGHT (read: very likely) hurt NOE's releases of Last Story, Pandora or anything else they might have had lined up with people thinking I'll wait 6 months, it'll release in the US and I won't have to import it, hurting the overall sales of those games for NOE. NOA to the rescue to Fuck things up yet again. It seems to get better all the time. Pure awesomeness. #-o

[pippin]

I always get a laugh out of the people who go off on these long tirades to bash every decision Nintendo makes. Everyone who does it seems to think they know all there is to know about the industry and what should and shouldn't be done. Maybe if any of you ran a company that was more successful than Nintendo, people would take your opinions into consideration.

[pete5883]

I'll be gladly picking up the NA version even though I still haven't touched my EU copy. Guess I can put off hacking my Wii for another 6 months, too.

I don't think you understood what I said. I was referring to skubish's anger towards NoA and saying there's a lot of people just like him. Because NoA said "no" with the huge support Operation Rainfall garnered, a lot of people decided to import the game.
They didn't say "no," they said "no plans." Several people pointed out the difference, but some people don't listen...

[TheLongshot]

But the thing is WE DO KNOW WHY they are releasing it in the US, because of the huge numbers the Euro version sold, that's no secret.

No, that is an assumption. I gave other potential answers above.

If I could believe it was an altruistic decision on their part and Operation Rainfall had an effect (it didn't despite what deluded people want to believe) or that Nintendo changed their minds on any other purpose other than what I've pointed out, let's get real here, they did it to see if they can make a quick buck.

Of course it wasn't altruistic. Nintendo is a business. They do what they do because they make money on it. Do you really think none of us know that?

If you want a good laugh go read some of the posts over at Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xenoblade-chronicles-coming-to-north-america-6346991?tag=newstop%3Btitle%3B1), under the news post, you'd think Reggie is due for Sainthood with this announcement... O:)

Sainthood is extreme, but expressing thanks to them is appropriate. You are allowed to be thankful for them doing this and still be annoyed at the things that they still get wrong.

You know based on this decision this MIGHT (read: very likely) hurt NOE's releases of Last Story, Pandora or anything else they might have had lined up with people thinking I'll wait 6 months, it'll release in the US and I won't have to import it, hurting the overall sales of those games for NOE. NOA to the rescue to Fuck things up yet again. It seems to get better all the time. Pure awesomeness. #-o

People make decisions based on the information they have. People also import stuff all the time that may or may not be localized for us. People can wait if they want and they can import if they want.

You can continue to feel burned, or maybe, if you truly believe your actions affected Nintendo's decision, feel some pride in effecting some change in Nintendo's plans. Something good did happen here for US fans. It might have happened as soon as everyone wanted, and it might not lead to more, but it is a success nonetheless.

If you feel you want to support it further and show them they can sell the game in the US, you could participate, but it is fine if you don't want to. Personally, if I paid a premium to import the game, I probably wouldn't buy it again either. I have a family and money is limited. But, don't sit there and act like you were wronged in some way. You made a decision based on the information available and you live with it.

[renique46]

Looks like Nintendo is trying to find new ways to fail. Game is 2 years too late and anyone who gave a shit about this imported or played it through other means 8 months ago. Its almost as if they're deliberately trying to set themselves up for failure when this game doesnt sell well, then they'll have reason to say herp derp "we told you so this game wouldn't sell" when they put it in unrealistic circumstances to begin with :roll:.

[Twilight Sparkle]

I'm surprised by the timing of the announcement, but whatever. I don't see much on the docket for Wii's 2012 schedule, so I can't really complain. I'll be buying it.

[KingBroly]

I'm going to guess that Gamestop fronted some cash here to get Xenoblade Chronicles released. And in turn, Gamestop will probably have some bonus along with their copies of the game.

I'm definitely excited for it. I've heard many great things.

[rlse9]

I'm amazed that on a site called Cheap Ass Gamer there are so many people willing to buy the same game twice to make a point. I really doubt 100 extra sales or 1,000 extra sales aren't going to make any difference to Nintendo.

Gamestop only is lame but obviously they gave Nintendo enough money to make it worthwhile to let them release it as an exclusive. But it's going to hurt sales and being a Gamestop exclusive means there will be no deals on it. I guess at least it is being released but it seems set up for failure.

[chiwii]

I'm going to guess that Gamestop fronted some cash here to get Xenoblade Chronicles released. And in turn, Gamestop will probably have some bonus along with their copies of the game.

I'm definitely excited for it. I've heard many great things.

I'm also wondering if GS is financially supporting this release somehow. If they are, I'd rather buy it from them than directly from Nintendo.

Does GS usually gut pre-orders?

[Vinny]

They didn't say "no," they said "no plans." Several people pointed out the difference, but some people don't listen...

How is it different? The only difference between "no plans" versus "no" is the wording, but they both mean "no". They could have said, "no plans at the moment but maybe in the future" or "we are considering it but are currently focused on Zelda/Mario/etc.".. that's saying something different than "no plans".

[ChibiJosh]

How is it different? The only difference between "no plans" versus "no" is the wording, but they both mean "no". They could have said, "no plans at the moment but maybe in the future" or "we are considering it but are currently focused on Zelda/Mario/etc.".. that's saying something different than "no plans".
I'm sure at one point they said something like "We have no plans at this time, but we'll be keeping our eye on European sales"

[Dead of Knight]

I'm amazed that on a site called Cheap Ass Gamer there are so many people willing to buy the same game twice to make a point. I really doubt 100 extra sales or 1,000 extra sales aren't going to make any difference to Nintendo.


I've spent over 160 hours on the game. Even buying it twice at $50 a pop means I still spent less than $1 per hour on the game.

[TheLongshot]

How is it different? The only difference between "no plans" versus "no" is the wording, but they both mean "no". They could have said, "no plans at the moment but maybe in the future" or "we are considering it but are currently focused on Zelda/Mario/etc.".. that's saying something different than "no plans".

"No plans at this time" (which was what the statement said) implies "No, but maybe in the future". Many chose to take it as a flat no, but what it told me that at the time of the statement they had no plans, but that maybe the passion fans showed would make them reconsider. Obviously, they did. Why? We don't know exactly.

[JasonTerminator]

I'm amazed that on a site called Cheap Ass Gamer there are so many people willing to buy the same game twice to make a point. I really doubt 100 extra sales or 1,000 extra sales aren't going to make any difference to Nintendo.

Why vote? It's not like your vote matters, right?

[Vinny]

I'm sure at one point they said something like "We have no plans at this time, but we'll be keeping our eye on European sales"

"No plans at this time" (which was what the statement said) implies "No, but maybe in the future". Many chose to take it as a flat no, but what it told me that at the time of the statement they had no plans, but that maybe the passion fans showed would make them reconsider. Obviously, they did. Why? We don't know exactly.

Saying "no plans at this time", when demand was the highest, is as close to no as you can get without actually saying no. But I'll back off on the subject since we could both be splitting hairs at this point on what it means. I'm fairly sure the "European sales part" was added later, once NoE reissue the stock shortages statement...:-k

I'm guessing the part that changed was that Nintendo came to the realization that the Wii has nothing coming out in 2012 and the Wii U (from what we've seen so far) is full of ports, something Nintendo's been criticized heavily for on the 3DS. I'm guessing they wanted a partner in this and found one in GameStop (who has released smaller exclusive titles in the past).

With all of that said... I get the feeling that regardless of how I feel now, I'll probably end up double dipping.:-P The game deserves.

[Rumors]

Why vote? It's not like your vote matters, right?
Well.... it doesn't. You're deluded if you think otherwise but that's a debate for another time.

[rlse9]

Well.... it doesn't. You're deluded if you think otherwise but that's a debate for another time.
Yeah, I agree, but this isn't the place to start a discussion about how sickening the political system is.

I just think it's a waste to buy the game twice, especially when we're talking about the money going to a massive corporation where the few extra sales of people buying twice are like a raindrop in the ocean. Spend the money on a game from an indy company where the extra sales might make an actual difference or give the money to charity or do something else useful instead of just handing it over to Nintendo.

[pete5883]

How is it different? The only difference between "no plans" versus "no" is the wording, but they both mean "no". They could have said, "no plans at the moment but maybe in the future" or "we are considering it but are currently focused on Zelda/Mario/etc.".. that's saying something different than "no plans".
No, "no plans" is PR for "either no, or yes but we're not ready to announce yet." I remember a Tales game or two that Namco had no plans to release, until they announced their release a month or two later. As for Nintendo's history:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251441_132923766795690_100002342016803_225381_6277 019_n.jpg

[Josh5890]

I'm thrilled that Xenoblade is coming! I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it is probably going to be a limited print though.

[anotherpoorgamer]

Just heard about Xenoblade! I'm definitely considering preordering at Gamestop, especially if there is some sort of bonus incentive.

I'd get Last Story and Pandora's Tower if they were available in the North America.

Also, still hoping to be released in North America:
Last Window: Secret of Cape West on the Nintendo DS
Another Code R on the Nintendo Wii

[johnnypark]

Has there been an official word on whether or not they'll be using the Euro localization and voice acting, or will they be redoing it? I haven't sank a ton of time into the import but I'm very fond of and impressed with the quality of the voice acting as it is, so I hope they keep it. I think the British accents add some charm!

[Dead of Knight]

Has there been an official word on whether or not they'll be using the Euro localization and voice acting, or will they be redoing it? I haven't sank a ton of time into the import but I'm very fond of and impressed with the quality of the voice acting as it is, so I hope they keep it. I think the British accents add some charm!

Watching the trailer they released it sounds like they are keeping the voices at least.

[Vinny]

No, "no plans" is PR for "either no, or yes but we're not ready to announce yet." I remember a Tales game or two that Namco had no plans to release, until they announced their release a month or two later. As for Nintendo's history:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251441_132923766795690_100002342016803_225381_6277 019_n.jpg

I'll take your word for it. NoA has been full of PR bullshit for the past few years.

Watching the trailer they released it sounds like they are keeping the voices at least.

I think they will. Considering how limited the release is, I doubt NoA will redo the voice work...

[pete5883]

I'll take your word for it. NoA has been full of PR bullshit for the past few years.
It's not just an NoA thing, it's just how PR works.

[Sarang01]

So is this going to have an option for Japanese voices or what? "Last Story" I mean.

[uncle5555]

So is this going to have an option for Japanese voices or what? "Last Story" I mean.

Depends on how much room they have on the disc as any other localization company can tell you...if they can fit both then yes, otherwise no.




For those that haven't heard yet...

The Last Story UK Releases on Feb 24 in Europe (http://www.gamespot.com/news/the-last-story-hits-europe-february-24-6347354?tag=newstop%3Btitle%3B17)

And Here too... (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/08/the-last-story-is-europes-next-wii-rpg-coming-feb-24/)

I won't comment on a possible US release since people tend to get miffed when I go anti-NOA. (when it comes to their stupid localization policies)

It might or might not be localized for the US market, due to the faith NOA has shown in Xenoblade (which is head and shoulders a better game than TLS from all accounts) I wouldn't expect it based on sales in Europe not being as strong because the game will be considered not as good. I'm importing it because I want another good Wii game and also because I want Earth Seeker localized and if NOE will do that for me, than NOA be damned.

Lastly, I tried to contact Stephen Totilo over at Kotaku about an interview he did with Reggie a few years back about NOA not localizing certain titles.

The original video is dead (as far as I can tell) and I asked him where I could see it (or at least read a transcript), and he didn't respond to any of my emails in a week, so I'm not bothering anymore. But for those who might be able to get the original link (to show the video and get it to work) try at the link below.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/07/25/video-exclusive-nintendos-reggie-fils-aime-part-two-does-nintendo-favor-japanese-gamers-and-developers/

[Dead of Knight]

Going to preorder The Last Story whenever it's available on the PAL sites. Did a search on Game.co.uk and Zavvi and it doesn't look like it's available for preorder yet.

[Vinny]

It might or might not be localized for the US market, due to the faith NOA has shown in Xenoblade (which is head and shoulders a better game than TLS from all accounts)

Out of curiosity, what are you basing that on? I kidna think I'll enjoy TLS more since it's a more traditional JRPG.

[Dead of Knight]

Out of curiosity, what are you basing that on? I kidna think I'll enjoy TLS more since it's a more traditional JRPG.

Just from people who've played the Japanese versions. They universally consider Xenoblade to be far superior. TLS is still supposed to be good though.

[johnnypark]

Pre-ordered. The guy who rang me up was so happy he danced. Apparently I'm only the 3rd or 4th person to reserve at that store since the announcement.

[uncle5555]

Out of curiosity, what are you basing that on? I kinda think I'll enjoy TLS more since it's a more traditional JRPG.

Sorry, I guess I should have used italics for part of my comment earlier. (on second viewing I did)

So lemme explain.... (and point out the keyword here)

It might or might not be localized for the US market, due to the faith NOA has shown in Xenoblade (which is head and shoulders a better game than TLS from all accounts)I was being slightly sarcastic when I said this, only because they've shown no faith in a very high quality title (hence the very limited release behind the Gamestop, after hours inside the dumpster to preorder it...8-) or you can just order if from Nintendo online too if you like, if people even know they can buy stuff from them, which probably isn't very many), and with the general consensus that TLS is not as good (based on reviews and word of mouth) as DoK so kindly points out below.

Just from people who've played the Japanese versions. They universally consider Xenoblade to be far superior. TLS is still supposed to be good though.

And sales prove this point as well, TLS's sales in Japan were far from stellar, but....

Now from what I've seen it actually looks pretty cool, but I'm far from the center of what the general populace likes (look at any of my mini-reviews in the PS3 section) I don't think Mistwalker has made a crap game, but I don't think people looking for a casual or new-style JRPG romp will enjoy it as much as Xenoblade. It is something new as far as presentation, but very old at it's core. (So I think you'll like it Vinny)

So don't let me dissuade anyone, I'm just pointing out what I think will happen based on the heat behind TLS and what the reviews while positive, won't be as glowing as they are for Xenoblade, and people shouldn't expect these three titles to be everything and more, then need to temper their expectations and know what they are getting for their money is all I'm saying.

Pre-ordered. The guy who rang me up was so happy he danced. Apparently I'm only the 3rd or 4th person to reserve at that store since the announcement.

When I read your comment my first impression was "ouch..." my impression now is "man that sucks" my spidey-sense is telling me Nintendo is doing all it can to make sure this thing fails, can anyone tell me how well Gamestop is marketing this in store? Because if it is (like I said above) under the counter, or only if your in the know, then the chances of success are going to be slim especially if they are hoping social media and word of mouth will drive sales heavily.

My only concern is for those who have hope that TLS and Pandora's Tower will be US releases shouldn't bet the farm on it since the US release of Xenoblade seems to be not as supported as it needs to be to make it an unqualified success. I want it too succeed, but it just seems like Nintendo is setting it up for failure, which is no surprise (this is the way I see things) and that to me is a sad thing indeed, when people want something, demand it in fact, are ignored then thrown a bone, only after all this.

If Nintendo doesn't do online ads and some TV ads (which is very unlikely) word of mouth is going to be the only thing to help it (which given it's release history, (Ie. news only on gaming sites and then no major announcement any place where normal folks might know about it) seems to not lean toward helping much due to indifference and anger toward NOA about spurning its release to begin with)

I'm sure word of mouth will spur some sales, just not enough to justify releasing the other two especially when they aren't as high quality as Xenoblade and won't sell as much hampering a US release chance when the European sales won't be nearly as strong as they were for Xenoblade. (due to game quality not being as strong and more importantly people thinking a US release is immanent due to the delayed US release announcement by NOA)

I'd love to be proven wrong in this case and truly hope that I am, but I'm still importing it since I don't trust NOA enough to release it here, sadly enough. :cry:

It's a long winded explanation (with some help), but I hope that it answers your question.

Edit: Take my information on sales figures with a grain of salt, these two links say otherwise, so maybe TLS will do just as well sales wise as Xenoblade, we'll see I guess.

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/04/media-creates-words-of-wisdom-on-the-last-story/

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/23/heres-how-xenoblade-and-metroid-other-m-did-in-japan/

http://graphmag.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/xenoblade-chronicles-in-europe-but-what-about-xenoblade-sales-in-japan/

[soonersfan60]

Nintendo, though, has been doing that with *all* of its new IPs in North America. I don't know where it started, but the earliest one I can recall is Starfy. A great game in Japan that got no support in N.A. when it was released. Chibi-Robo never got any support, only to go the exclusive route with the DS sequel which was doomed to failure at Wal-mart. And then rather than go the new IP route, they gimped the Prince and made Kirby the star of Epic Yarn (which should have been Yoshi's game, if anything). Now you have Fortune Street... I haven't seen any ads or marketing, and they have no stores offering any incentives to get people to buy it. Not even sure Mario can save that one. I don't know why, but Nintendo has done a very poor job of introducing new IPs in N.A. for the past several years... It didn't begin with Wii.

[uncle5555]

Nintendo, though, has been doing that with *all* of its new IPs in North America. I don't know where it started, but the earliest one I can recall is Starfy. A great game in Japan that got no support in N.A. when it was released. Chibi-Robo never got any support, only to go the exclusive route with the DS sequel which was doomed to failure at Wal-mart. And then rather than go the new IP route, they gimped the Prince and made Kirby the star of Epic Yarn (which should have been Yoshi's game, if anything). Now you have Fortune Street... I haven't seen any ads or marketing, and they have no stores offering any incentives to get people to buy it. Not even sure Mario can save that one. I don't know why, but Nintendo has done a very poor job of introducing new IPs in N.A. for the past several years... It didn't begin with Wii.

Yeah, and they happened to release the first DS title which wasn't nearly as good as the GBA games were, which didn't help. I agree, Nintendo hasn't been kind to it's GC rookies, see the Pokemon offshoots as well as Custom Robo another game that died on the vine.

I agree and that's a thing I use as an example quite a lot their disdain for Epic Yarn, and shoehorning Kirby into the game.

You'll never hear me say that (and I've posted many times in the past to this point) so you're preaching to the choir on this point. Also as I've pointed out, they seem dependent on their trinity of titles Zelda, Mario and Pokemon to keep them afloat and only release other proven franchises when they know it will suit them to make a good profit or they can alter the title to include a known quantity (Ie. Kirby) to make sales happen.

Just look at Magical Star Sign if you need to see no support from Nintendo and the (no pun intended) Mother of them all...err...Mother.

For a company that prides itself on new experiences and playability they have no faith in many of their products (to either not release them outside of the US, or change them so much from their original concepts so they aren't even the same game) or they are so deluded they believe that if they slap their name on it, it will sell the game with no other effort needed. (which is a major misnomer they need to wise up too)

[johnnypark]

Those are all good points. Its as if Nintendo has no idea how to market new ir interesting IPs, so rather than try something they do nothing at all. Store-exclusive releases seem destined to fail because you can't advertise them as broadly. The internet will get them tens of thousands of sales at best, which is no good for a company that wanta million-sellers.

[Vinny]

Sorry, I guess I should have used italics for part of my comment earlier. (on second viewing I did)

So lemme explain.... (and point out the keyword here)



I should be the one apologizing... because I quoted you wrong.:-P What I meant to quote was why you think Xenoblade is better than TLS?

But regardless of sales, I think NoA will have to bring over TLS... simply because they have nothing else on the Wii next year (though I'm sure they'll whip up some half-assed crap).

[Josh5890]

I always vow to never go to Gamestop but every 6 months, something comes around that changes my mind. Day 1 for me, even if it is just going into the backlog. I want to support RPGs in NA

[KingBroly]

The Last Story is an easy sell...

"From the Creator of Final Fantasy comes...THE LAST STORY!"

Not only does it sell itself as a Final Fantasy clone, but also a parody.

[uncle5555]

I should be the one apologizing... because I quoted you wrong.:-P What I meant to quote was why you think Xenoblade is better than TLS?

But regardless of sales, I think NoA will have to bring over TLS... simply because they have nothing else on the Wii next year (though I'm sure they'll whip up some half-assed crap).

Hey no big deal, I think DoK and myself covered it for you, I think Cao Pi posted a video with the first 10 minutes somewhere around here, so go check it out for yourself and make a decision based on that at the moment.

So glad you brought that up since I have links to Nintendo's offerings on all systems in 2012 (and yes the lists for Wii and DS are anemic to say the least in the US)

NOE release list
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-12-13-nintendo-dates-2012-3ds-wii-ds-software-line-up

NOA release list
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=32044


For those interested, but too lazy to click

US 2012 Wii lineup

2K Sports
MLB 2K12 - March 6

GameMill Entertainment
Country Dance™ Special Edition - Feb. 1

Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
Karaoke Joysound - Q1

Nintendo
Rhythm Heaven Fever - Feb. 13
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond - Feb. 27
Mario Party 9 - March 11

Europe 2012 Wii lineup

Boom Street (Nintendo/Square Enix) - 6th January 2012
The Last Story (Nintendo) - 24th February 2012
Mario Party 9 (Nintendo) - March 2012
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond (Nintendo) - March 2012
Winter Sports 2012 (PQube) - Q1 2012
We Sing Pop (Nordic Games Publishing AB) - Q1 2012
We Sing 80's (Nordic Games Publishing AB) - Q2 2012
La-Mulana (Nicalis) - Q1 2012
Pandora's Tower (Nintendo) - Q2 2012
Beat the Beat: Rhythm Paradise (Nintendo) - 2012

Not too much of a difference is there....**sigh**


The Last Story is an easy sell...

"From the Creator of Final Fantasy comes...THE LAST STORY!"

Not only does it sell itself as a Final Fantasy clone, but also a parody.

But with all of the hate JRPG's get these days (which honestly baffles me where this loathing of Japanese developed games, RPG's specifically, originated at and has proliferated over the past few years) his name being attached too Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey didn't drive sales as much as it should have (given his pedigree) Lost Odyssey drove 800k in sales Blue Dragon did the same at 800k (both worldwide) and TLS has sold similarly to Xenoblade (if the numbers are accurate) and come out to less than 200k in JPN.

Nintendo shouldn't expect huge numbers on these games, as I've said countless times, the release of these titles should be to engender goodwill to the fans to show them that they'll release the games they want and provide them with a quality product, without worrying about having a massive hit, even if it doesn't do more than just break even.

[Josh5890]

US 2012 Wii lineup

2K Sports
MLB 2K12 - March 6

GameMill Entertainment
Country Dance™ Special Edition - Feb. 1

Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
Karaoke Joysound - Q1

Nintendo
Rhythm Heaven Fever - Feb. 13
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond - Feb. 27
Mario Party 9 - March 11


Xenoblade should be added to the list.

[Tsukento]

The Last Story is an easy sell...

"From the Creator of Final Fantasy comes...THE LAST STORY!"

Not only does it sell itself as a Final Fantasy clone, but also a parody.
While Sakaguchi's not involved with Final Fantasy anymore, I dunno if people can really trust the name brand right now after what's happened with XIII and XIV. The misinformed would simply go "Ew, no."

On a separate note, I threw together a video and blog entry (http://www.screwattack.com/news/xenoblade-chronicles-north-american-release-awareness) to try pushing for a more widespread awareness about Xenoblade's release in North America, where to go pre-order it, what the situation is like and the possibility of getting The Last Story and Pandora's Tower here. Especially clarified some things like why GameStop may have exclusively selling it and that there's an alternative to them for those throwing a fit over it.

[pete5883]

Xenoblade should be added to the list.
The list only covers Q1, Xenoblade is Q2.

[Strell]

Xenoblade up for pre-order at Gamestop (http://www.gamestop.com/wii/games/xenoblade-chronicles/98535) (Not sure how long this has been active)

Pre-order directly from Nintendo (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Xenoblade?storeId=10001) (just went live)

[maigoyume]

Sweet, gonna preorder.

[moothemagiccow]

do i get a classic batman skin if i preorder

[blueweltall]

do i get a classic batman skin if i preorder

God damn, Batman is in Xenoblade too?

[Dead of Knight]

God damn, Batman is in Xenoblade too?
I guess that's what's taking them an extra 7 months to localize it for America. :lol:

[theflicker]

Cheapest shipping through Nintendo is $5. I might as well go to one of the 10 Gamestops surrounding me and preorder there. Seems like maybe that's the best way to encourage further imports such as this? Not sure.

[pete5883]

Cheapest shipping through Nintendo is $5. I might as well go to one of the 10 Gamestops surrounding me and preorder there. Seems like maybe that's the best way to encourage further imports such as this? Not sure.
One of the challenges in getting games over here is convincing retailers to stock them. So yeah, it would certainly help more than ordering it from Nintendo.

Edit: I guess that's not really an issue with Gamestop though. The Best Buys and Walmarts of the world are the ones that need convincing.

[moothemagiccow]

I guess that's what's taking them an extra 7 months to localize it for America. :lol:

So this is how rumors get started

[isd71]

I had no clue about this game, but after I watched some gameplay footage online I was hooked. I normally don't preorder but with any game I am interested in on the Wii they seem to be printed in small runs. So I signed up with GS for a copy.

[pete5883]

So, my Wii is ready, and I'm about to start. Do the battle voices convey important information, or will I miss nothing by playing in Japanese?

[Dead of Knight]

Not so much important information, but there is some humor. Personally I had it on Japanese for most of my playtime, but switched to English when I was doing some end-game stuff I skipped.

[Batcave Dweller]

I did have a friend in the UK preorder Xenoblade (and Inazuma 11 DS) but didn't get around to modding my Wii to play imports until last week. Enjoying Xenoblade very much right now! 160 hours, Dead of Knight?! Talk about dedication! No qualms about the latter US release announcement...hey, I'm still playing it a few months early! :)

Now my friend will be preordering The Last Story for me. I wonder what other EU releases (Wii or DS) I should get my friend to order for me....any recommendations?

[panzerfaust]

While Sakaguchi's not involved with Final Fantasy anymore, I dunno if people can really trust the name brand right now after what's happened with XIII and XIV. The misinformed would simply go "Ew, no."

When you step out of gaming message boards there's this real world, and out there XIII prints money for Square. XIII-2 sold half a million in a few days in Japan, and they recently registered the domain name for XIII-3.

Back on topic though, I think it's a shame these two games weren't immediately localized, as this is when people start looking to pirate games.

[Dead of Knight]

I preordered Last Story from 365games.co.uk. While Zavvi did get me my Xenoblade, it took almost a month. Hopefully 365games can get Last Story to me slightly faster. I tried ordering from Shopto.net but I was having problems and they wouldn't let me order.

Panzerfaust, FF13-2 didn't exactly "print money" in Japan. It was by far the worst-selling mainline title at release since FF became popular (we're talking SNES-on).

[panzerfaust]

Hm? I'm aware of that. I was responding to the notion that Sakuguchi shouldn't involve himself with the FF name because it would somehow sour the reception of his games. If FF is indeed trending downwards, it's still not at a point where he should be worried, since Square is still pulling great numbers. Mistwalker needs all the marketing it can get.

[Dead of Knight]

Oh yeah, I agree with you. Just pointing that out.

[Batcave Dweller]

I preordered Last Story from 365games.co.uk. While Zavvi did get me my Xenoblade, it took almost a month. Hopefully 365games can get Last Story to me slightly faster. I tried ordering from Shopto.net but I was having problems and they wouldn't let me order.


My friend (pre)orders my games from Amazon UK and gets free shipping (pretty fast there). It's really cool to have a friend or two overseas.

Is Another Code: R worth checking out, by the way?

[Dead of Knight]

I haven't played it.

[uncle5555]

I preordered Last Story from 365games.co.uk. While Zavvi did get me my Xenoblade, it took almost a month. Hopefully 365games can get Last Story to me slightly faster. I tried ordering from Shopto.net but I was having problems and they wouldn't let me order.


I just pre-ordered it from Zavvi a few minutes ago, won't be able to play it (Wii's back home in IL, I'm in ID for a job) so no biggie on the wait time, was going to get it from Amazon, Germany, until I saw the $9 price difference then I was like...um no. I'll wait, a bit longer. ;)


My friend (pre)orders my games from Amazon UK and gets free shipping (pretty fast there). It's really cool to have a friend or two overseas.

Is Another Code: R worth checking out, by the way?

I bought it, it's a visual novel type of game, point and click adv. type of thing, if that's your style I'd say go for it, check out Youtube for videos if your still not sure, it's one of the few ones that managed to bypass the US, in favor of Europe.

I also grabbed Captain Rainbow for the eventual translation patch coming down the pike from the team who did Fatal Frame on wii (I think they did anyway)

[johnmirra]

Well i just pre ordered the last story limited edition form 365gmaes.com.uk , anyone know ow their shipping usually is?

[Dead of Knight]

Well i just pre ordered the last story limited edition form 365gmaes.com.uk , anyone know ow their shipping usually is?

I preordered from there as well, first time ordering from them. We'll see how it goes. According to GAF it may take a couple weeks, but it seems like they're more reliable than Zavvi. Shopto is supposed to be fastest but I had trouble ordering from them.

[johnmirra]

yeah, when i ordered xenoblade it took about ten days but i honestly cant remember who i ordered it from so if its anywhere near ten days ill be pleased.

I preordered from there as well, first time ordering from them. We'll see how it goes. According to GAF it may take a couple weeks, but it seems like they're more reliable than Zavvi. Shopto is supposed to be fastest but I had trouble ordering from them.

[Dead of Knight]

I ordered from Zavvi and it was at least double that time.

[johnmirra]

well either way if its between 10-and 20 days im ok with that

[Dead of Knight]

Me too. Better than waiting several months or never for an unannounced US release.

[johnmirra]

Me too. Better than waiting several months or never for an unannounced US release.

exactly, i ordered the limited xenoblade and then sold the game only for more then i paid when i heard of the US version , ill do the same with this one if it eventually comes here

[Josh5890]

I went to Gamestop yesterday to pre-order Xenoblade

"Hi, I'd like to pre-order Xenoblade"
"360 or Playstation?"

Yup, it was that bad.

I'd love to play Last Story but the Wii is region locked. :( I can only hope for a NA release.

[TheLongshot]

Wow, my GameStop had more clue than that...

[johnmirra]

Wow, my GameStop had more clue than that...

my gamestop had no idea what i was talking about until they looked it up in their computer

[Dead of Knight]

Pandora's Tower PAL announced for April 13th. :whee:

Gonna be a great few months.

[Josh5890]

Pandora's Tower PAL announced for April 13th. :whee:

Gonna be a great few months.

Once again, Josh strikes out because he doesn't have a PAL Wii. I hope Xenoblade does well so that I can play Last Story and Pandora's Tower

[Dead of Knight]

Last Story shipped from 365games.co.uk! Now the waiting begins.

[Twilight Sparkle]

Last Story confirmed (http://www.nintendo.com/nintendo_direct) for NA. It's the last thing he talks about.

Also, Europe's getting a Pandora's Tower limited edition (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/pandoras_tower_to_get_limited_edition_release) steel-book case with artbook.

[theflicker]

Awesome. And it's going to be at retail.

[TheLongshot]

Last Story confirmed (http://www.nintendo.com/nintendo_direct) for NA. It's the last thing he talks about.

Ah, I see Nintendo finally got smart and licenced it out to XSeed. Good news.

[Gden]

Anyone else hear him say Xenoplane Chronicles?

[Vinny]

Last Story confirmed (http://www.nintendo.com/nintendo_direct) for NA. It's the last thing he talks about.

Also, Europe's getting a Pandora's Tower limited edition (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/pandoras_tower_to_get_limited_edition_release) steel-book case with artbook.

Considering how word about The Last Story being released in the US got out just minutes after all of us had our CEs ship (which seems a bit too convenient to be a coincidence), I'm now going to be hesitant to import Pandora's Tower (CE or not) right away, which was a day one purchase for me.

[TheLongshot]

Considering how word about The Last Story being released in the US got out just minutes after all of us had our CEs ship (which seems a bit too convenient to be a coincidence), I'm now going to be hesitant to import Pandora's Tower (CE or not) right away, which was a day one purchase for me.

The timing of it completely sucks, but it was the risk you ran in importing it. Just think of it this way: you might be done with it by the time the rest of us gets it.

[Dead of Knight]

Of course, they announce it the very day after my PAL copy shipped. :wall:

Of course, I will still be playing and finishing it several months before it even comes out in America. If it ends up being good, I'll double dip because Xseed are my homeboys.

[Josh5890]

Yes!!!!!!!!! The Wii lives on. I'm really excited about playing this and Xenoblade. Hopefully Last Story isn't exclusive to Gamestop.

Come on Pandora's Tower!!!

[mlisette23]

This is exciting news! This will be day one for me, just like Xenoblade!

[2DMention]

Good to hear. I will be picking this up as well.

[Gden]

Definitely getting the last story

[maigoyume]

In for both, in related news gamestop is offering an artbook for xenoblade preorders. Extra incentive :)

Edit: Pretty sure its for release

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/24/pre-order-xenoblade-chronicles-from-gamestop-for-an-art-book/

[Josh5890]

In for both, in related news gamestop is offering an artbook for xenoblade preorders. Extra incentive :)

Available when released or when placing pre-order?

[Friend of Sonic]

Sweet, got my preorder in at Gamestop. I better not get stiffed out of my art book.

[hpbbes]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007CSF3GO/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

Sorry for the mobile link but amazon has it up for preorder. Didn't see the link posted before.

[theflicker]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007CSF3GO/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

Sorry for the mobile link but amazon has it up for preorder. Didn't see the link posted before.
Thanks.

Full site link: http://www.amazon.com/Last-Story-Nintendo-Wii/dp/B007CSF3GO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1330184317&sr=8-7

[Vinny]

I figured I'd post this here too.

I just got mine from HMV. The shipping box was this really weird... box but it was very strong. The item was in near mint shape (the flap is kinda crushed).

[IMG-C=7639]26645[/IMG-C]

Man, the steelbook is fucking incredible (which I hadn't covered it up in the picture, LOL). It's probably the nicest steelbook I've ever seen (granted, I only own a few but still). They give you a regular case (with a reversible insert- same picture as the "Experience" box) too. The artbook is... really disappointing. It's small and really thin too. And there's the really thick multi-language manual that's not shown, which I wish was an artbook instead.

I unfortunately won't get to play it until Spring Break due to exams and other work.:-(

[Dead of Knight]

Fucking Vinny, getting his copy before me. :lol:

[Vinny]

Yeah, but I won't get to play it for at least a week and a half.:-(

And I don't know how I should play it. Dolphin Emulator or on the Wii...:-k

[bjstucker]

wife just called me up can't wait to get home and play. Can we play this online together? Would be cool to team up with some of you guys.

[Dead of Knight]

Yeah, but I won't get to play it for at least a week and a half.:-(

And I don't know how I should play it. Dolphin Emulator or on the Wii...:-k

Send me your copy then and I'll have it back to you in time. :lol:

Hopefully my copy gets here soon.

[Vinny]

wife just called me up can't wait to get home and play. Can we play this online together? Would be cool to team up with some of you guys.

Man, now I really don't know if I should play this on the Wii or Dolphin Emulator.:-k

Send me your copy then and I'll have it back to you in time. :lol:

Hopefully my copy gets here soon.

Considering how much time you spent in Xenoblade, I don't know if I believe that...:rofl:

[Dead of Knight]

No matter, Vinny, for my very own copy arrived today. 365games.co.uk pulled through, getting it to me in less than a week, as opposed to Zavvi taking 3 weeks for Xenoblade. I will be giving them my business for Pandora's Tower and any other PAL games I buy in the future.

[pete5883]

Man, now I really don't know if I should play this on the Wii or Dolphin Emulator.:-k
You're not planning to play online?

[Dead of Knight]

I heard Dolphin has problems running this game, btw. Doesn't run as well as Xenoblade.

Still near the beginning, I will reserve impressions until later.

[Vinny]

I heard Dolphin has problems running this game, btw. Doesn't run as well as Xenoblade.

Still near the beginning, I will reserve impressions until later.

Does matter anymore since I can't even rip the disc... nor can I DL a copy since all the good filehosting sites were shutdown or blocked US access. I don't wanna risk a torrent either.

I guess shitty, blurry graphics it is.:-/

[Dead of Knight]

The graphics aren't too bad, but the framerate is absolutely atrocious. God damn.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I fired it up and tested out the first dungeon... the graphics are actually pretty clean, outside of some textures, and the animation is surprisingly smooth. I didn't notice any framerate issues but it was the first dungeon so I guess that's not too surprising.

[Fell Open Ian]

The Last Story is an odd one but I'm enjoying it far more than I thought I would.

At first I was baffled as to why someone would use the automatic setting for combat but now that the game is layering on more and more systems I can definitely understand why it's there as an option. (perhaps not something which should have been set as the default option for Western audiences but whatever that's localization)

I'm enjoying the little things like how when a quest is ready to be set-out upon or when one has been completed you'll basically have someone ask you if you're ready to leave and when you agree it generally warps you to where you need to be next. (also fast-travel)

The combat slowly turns into all things for all people which makes it hard to explain to others: it's action-y and mash-y if you want, you can stop everything and issue orders, there's stealth and sniping, there's environmental elements in-play as well and so on and so forth.

Mistwalker has taken a lot of elements from different styles of RPGs and melded them together pretty damned well as far as I'm concerned and, overall, The Last Story does a good job of keeping what I still enjoy about JRPGs while managing to integrate some more user-friendly Western RPG ideas.

Light/early spoilers but I'll tag them anyhow: Just on the story beats it'll go from the completely saw-it-coming-from-a-mile-away stuff like Lisa being the noble which everyone is talking about getting married to the more RPG plot-defying stuff like yeah the big bad guy kidnaps the girl but no she isn't helpless and no he doesn't get away with her.

It's still lighthearted and fluffy and even predictable and eye-roll inducing at times like most JRPGs but my ~30 year old self is really enjoying the game and my ~15 year old self would have absolutely flipped over it.:applause:

edit: Oh and perhaps I'm just crazy per usual but is anyone else getting a Vagrant Story vibe from The Last Story? I can't really pin-down what it is and it's kinda this wishy-washy intangible feeling that I'm probably misinterpreting but they feel similar despite being so utterly different.

[Dead of Knight]

Yeah, I fired it up and tested out the first dungeon... the graphics are actually pretty clean, outside of some textures, and the animation is surprisingly smooth. I didn't notice any framerate issues but it was the first dungeon so I guess that's not too surprising.

The worst is in the cutscenes. You haven't seen anything yet.

edit: Oh and perhaps I'm just crazy per usual but is anyone else getting a Vagrant Story vibe from The Last Story? I can't really pin-down what it is and it's kinda this wishy-washy intangible feeling that I'm probably misinterpreting but they feel similar despite being so utterly different.

Dagran has ass-chaps like Ashley. That might be something.

This game really is an odd one. Haven't really liked it so far but I'm willing to give it more of a chance.

[Vinny]

I still have a ton of work to do for next week but I figured that I probably wouldn't be able to concentrate so why not play this game some more. I made it to the first town... and so far, I want to say that I like the game but it definitely hasn't drawn me in like Xenoblade.

One of my biggest quirks is doing that Z-thing... to find items, locate special events, etc. It's just seems unnecessary, especially during combat when you're getting attacked from all sides. More annoying is trying to read hints during boss fights without getting hit by a massive attack.

I do like that there's already some established history with the party, rather than the traditional find a new ally, more story introduced. I also like that battles do involve some strategy and micro-management.

[Vinny]

Yeah, so I went from planning on not playing this for a week to putting 6 hours into it. It's a really good game. I love the battles with a bunch of enemies and teammates in them.

I just hate the slowdown.

[Dead of Knight]

I guess we'll agree to disagree, Vinny. I think the game is pretty terrible. I'm having more fun heckling it with my husband than actually playing it. I'll finish it though, considering I'm more than halfway through and it's fun to laugh at it, so I am getting some enjoyment out of it.

[Vinny]

I guess we'll agree to disagree, Vinny. I think the game is pretty terrible. I'm having more fun heckling it with my husband than actually playing it. I'll finish it though, considering I'm more than halfway through and it's fun to laugh at it, so I am getting some enjoyment out of it.

I'm guessing that's because of the cliched story, awkward character interactions and cheesy emotional displays?

That stuff hasn't bothered me all that much... maybe because I haven't seen it in such a long time that I'm actually letting it pass. But like I said, I'm enjoy the game more for the combat than anything. The visual style is also pretty nice (but fucking slowdown!!).

[blueweltall]

Is the slow down because of the Dolphin emulator or the actual disc game?

[Vinny]

Is the slow down because of the Dolphin emulator or the actual disc game?

I'm playing it on the Wii and there's noticeable slowdown, like it drops 10-15 fps during some scenes/moments. Nothing that ruins the game (Muramasa) though.

Most games that struggle on DE is because there aren't processors that are fast enough since it is a emulator. On an i7 960 (which is a $250 processor), it falls as low as 20 fps (from 30 average) at 2.6GHz. Until we see processors that can hit ~5GHz (which is unlikely since it's all about multi-core performance now), DE won't be able to handle most games without slowdown or heavy tweaking (which people like us probably don't have to skill to do). Xenoblade was an exception in that it was more audio heavy so the game was playable for the most part but suffered many audio issues.

[Dead of Knight]

Is the slow down because of the Dolphin emulator or the actual disc game?

No, the actual game. This is by far the worst slowdown I've ever seen in a JRPG. It's unacceptably bad. It's in battles, it's in cutscenes, it's when you're fucking around town, it's everywhere.

[johnmirra]

Its funny to see the shift from how bad we all wanted this game to the bashing for some slowdown.

[Dead of Knight]

Its funny to see the shift from how bad we all wanted this game to the bashing for some slowdown.

The slowdown is the least of its problems....

[Josh5890]

So Last Story looks like a dud huh? The reviews were good so I was getting excited for it.

[Vinny]

So Last Story looks like a dud huh? The reviews were good so I was getting excited for it.

I think this might be one of those titles you either like or don't.

DoK is definitely in the don't like camp, I'm in the like camp. As I said before, the game its flaws (cliched story, cheese moments, awkward moments, slowdown) but I really do like the battle system and visual style of the game.

So far, I'd say it's in the 8/10 range for me which falls in line with Metacritic. I went into this game (like most games) with zero expectations/little knowledge though so that might have had something to do with it.

Xenoblade is definitely the better RPG though (I know TLS won't surpass it even though I'm only half-way through)... too bad it won't see as widespread a release as this.

[Fell Open Ian]

The framerate issues are still present when ripped to a HDD but they aren't as severe.

The combat in Xenoblade Chronicles was too close to the standard-fare MMO clicking on hotbars style for me. That's obviously an oversimplification but after so many years of playing MMOs that style of combat is wholly boring to me. (to be fair I only played maybe 10 hours of Xenoblade Chronicles but that was because the combat bored me...I'll go back to it as I know it's good...just need some time-off from hotbars)

MMO combat is still very much limited by latency issues but I guess that that's an entirely different conversation.

[ChibiJosh]

Do we know if there was a slow down issue in the Japanese release? Is there hope that it was just a bad localization, and maybe Xseed's release will be better?

[Vinny]

Slowdown exists in both the Japanese and European releases, and will exist in the NA release. Xseed isn't going to tweak the code since that would cost them a lot of money on what's already a perceived risk. And even if they wanted to, I doubt it would matter since it's more likely due to the Wii's limitations more than anything.

I'm beginning to wonder why so many of you are talking about the slowdown though... it's not that bad. Of course, that might be because I'm running it off of a HDD.

[ChibiJosh]

I haven't even started it yet. I was just wondering because everyone else is complaining.

[Dead of Knight]

I'm beginning to wonder why so many of you are talking about the slowdown though... it's not that bad. Of course, that might be because I'm running it off of a HDD.

I'm running it on the Wii and off the disc and it is REALLY. FUCKING. BAD. You should give it a try.

How far are you, btw, Vinny? I'm at chapter 34. 20 hours or so on the clock, not too far from the end... I've left the game on for a couple hours while doing household shit too.

[Vinny]

I'm running it on the Wii and off the disc and it is REALLY. FUCKING. BAD. You should give it a try.

How far are you, btw, Vinny? I'm at chapter 34. 20 hours or so on the clock, not too far from the end... I've left the game on for a couple hours while doing household shit too.

I'll have to try that then. It might help if you have a spare external HDD or a USB drive with enough room on it to rip the disc to but since you're almost done, I guess it's pointless. Incidentally, if you hate the game that much, you could probably sell the CE for minimal loss on eBay.

I finished chapter 22 I think, the haunted house. I'm actually kinda glad the game supposedly takes about 20 hours. I might not be able to put off Mass Effect 3 until summer as I originally planned to...

[Dead of Knight]

I bought the regular edition. I am a CAG, you know. I'll be offering it up in this here thread once I am done with it. Should be by the end of this weekend, just in time for Yakuza OF THE END (and Tales of Graces f, :lol:).

Edit: On Chapter 37 now. There was a part in the last chapter that I probably would have quit the game over if I weren't so far in. Some of the design decisions they made are plain nonsensical.

[Vinny]

Oh, well hopefully you find someone to buy. And I completely forgot about Yakuza and Graces F. Fuck... this feels like the Xmas season again, except I'm extra broke now.

[Fell Open Ian]

I'd definitely rip the disc to a HDD if that's at all possible as the framerate issues are very much minimized. (I'd categorize them as the exception rather than the rule in fact)

Also many Wii's have a notoriously bad time with dual-layered discs to the tune of the older/more used the Wii the harder time it has with reading DVD9s. If it sounds like a Dreamcast then it's time to get a USB loader and a HDD.

I have a launch unit so every damn game gets ripped as soon as it arrives.:razz:

[Dead of Knight]

I have a launch unit as well but I've never had problems booting up and playing games...

[Fell Open Ian]

It's the dual-layered discs which give people the most trouble and since most Wii games are on single-layered discs that's probably why.

Even with the few dual-layered games it can be anything from audio skips to disc errors (usually during the layer change) or just plain not reading the disc as a Wii game at all. And all of those can become progressively worse as the drive ages and the laser strength/calibration degrades.

The big one which really started it all was Super Smash Bros. Brawl and if you remember Nintendo issued an update around then and was replacing disc drives as well. (I *think* for free)

edit: I'm trying to dig-up a comprehensive list of all dual-layered games so that you can test and you can use a standard cleaning kit but I'd definitely test first before spending any money. SSBB, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Metroid: Other M, oh Xenoblade (duh), and that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[Dead of Knight]

I didn't have any problems running Xenoblade. TLS just has very severe technical problems.

[Vinny]

I didn't have any problems running Xenoblade. TLS just has very severe technical problems.

I actually found that shocking, that Xenoblade ran so damn well given the scale of the game. I guess this game is more detail heavy and uses more lighting/special effects but it definitely wasn't as refined as Xenoblade was with respects to technical standards.

[Dead of Knight]

I actually found that shocking, that Xenoblade ran so damn well given the scale of the game. I guess this game is more detail heavy and uses more lighting/special effects but it definitely wasn't as refined as Xenoblade was with respects to technical standards.

A lot of Xenoblade was stunning IMO, especially the environments. The game is a technical marvel. TLS is just embarrassing compared to it.

I beat the final boss last night, and then saved my game to watch the ending and play the epilogue tonight. The #1 thing I like about this game is the fast, easy grinding at the summon circles. Zael gained over 10 levels in under 10 minutes with that shit. Awesome.

[Dead of Knight]

Whelp, just finished it for good. I'll discuss more later but right now I need to go to sleep as I'm dead tired and got work tomorrow. If anyone is interested in a regular edition PAL copy, send me a PM with an offer.

[elessar123]

Completely forgot about this thread. I had to install to a flash drive, because even the tutorial movies were slowing it down. Now our Wii sounds like the drive is going to break soon. Sigh.

I'm only on chapter 15, but yea, the story is cliche. Some parts of it reminds me of many of the FFs too. So far, it's insanely easy. Mini-bosses sometimes die when I think the fight is half over.

There's way too much of the zoom mode too, most of which is unnecessary.

I had higher expectations for this one. It's not horrible, but it's not far above average. Will probably try to finish it this weekend, since I have tomorrow off.

[Cap'n_RDM]

I'm losing track in this thread...are most of the complaints regarding The Last Story?

[Fell Open Ian]

I'm losing track in this thread...are most of the complaints regarding The Last Story?

Yes. Xenoblade Chronicles is the better game easily. (I just prefer the battle system in The Last Story)

But, speaking as someone who suffered through Skyrim on PS3, when people like Dead of Knight are experiencing awful framerate issues it sucks big-time. (Skyrim pissed me off so much that I'm done with Bethesda as a company but that was zero frames per second so...;))

[Vinny]

I'm on chapter 26 now and I think I now understand why DoK was complaining about the framerate. During some of these fights, I'd say it's fallen as low as 10 fps.

But I kinda feel like the story is going to pick up a bit, even if it's somewhat cliched.

[ChibiJosh]

Complaining about cliched stories is such a cliched thing to do.

[elessar123]

Complaining about complaining about cliched stories is such a cliched thing to do.

[Dead of Knight]

I'm losing track in this thread...are most of the complaints regarding The Last Story?

I don't think anyone complained about Xenoblade in this thread.

[uncle5555]

I didn't have any problems running Xenoblade. TLS just has very severe technical problems.

She's right, the game even with dolphin chugs badly, was doing research into seeing how I could test it out just to see how it was and kept reading about FPS issues left and right and was like **OUCH**, ehh oh well won't get to play it till I can get back to my Wii anyway, so no big loss.

On the upside Pandora's Tower comes out next month, (put my pre-order in for it tonight), not even going to bother waiting for a US release announcement at this point in the way things have been going, would be nice to hear that NOE is localizing Earth Seeker, but I won't keep my hopes up.

[Vinny]

^^ I still don't know whether or not to pre-order Pandora's Tower or hope it gets localized or if I even want to play it. Even before Operation Rainfall, TLS was the more anticipated game of the 3 and though it's a good game, I was hoping for something better considering the names behind it. I won't lie, I don't know jack about Pandora's Tower...

I'm nearing the end I believe (Chapter 40) and it has gotten better but it's also gotten much weirder. Some scenes/events seem so out of place and/or completely random.

[elessar123]

Just finished TLS. Still think it's too easy. Doubt I'll play New Game+, but I haven't ruled it out. Credits rolled at about 25 hours, and I did a lot of side quests. About 22.5hr to beat final boss.

The story is meh. A lot of it reminds me of FF7/8, including a lot of specific scenes. Not saying the stories are the same, but there are tons of parts where I was like, "Didn't I see this before?"

The gameplay isn't bad, but the controls and AI are sometimes infuriating. You tell a member to retreat, because either you want them out of the water, or not cast magic, then they'll do it anyways. Sometimes you suddenly run up the wall, slash instead of switch, hide instead of roll, etc. all because they're all the same button. The crappy part about the Wii. Left thumb stick also sucks, especially when you have to jiggle the stick.

Even installed on a flash drive, it lags. It was so much worse when I was running it from a disk. There's slowdowns in fights, and just traveling. It's pretty ridiculous. It's going to cause it to be hit hard on the ratings department here, I'm anticipating.

It has some nice CGs occasionally, but most of it still look like a last gen game.

tl;dr: 7.5/10 installed, probably <5/10 off disk.

[Cap'n_RDM]

I'm losing track in this thread...are most of the complaints regarding The Last Story?

Yes. Xenoblade Chronicles is the better game easily. (I just prefer the battle system in The Last Story)

But, speaking as someone who suffered through Skyrim on PS3, when people like Dead of Knight are experiencing awful framerate issues it sucks big-time. (Skyrim pissed me off so much that I'm done with Bethesda as a company but that was zero frames per second so...;))

I don't think anyone complained about Xenoblade in this thread.

Thanks for the replies...that is what I thought but read a couple posts that were a little vague, so thought I'd ask...

Pre-ordered Xenoblade yesterday...

[Dead of Knight]

Xenoblade is just plain fantastic... gotta be one of my favorite games of all time. As Vinny alluded to, I had over 160 hours on the clock and didn't even 100% the game. :lol: Probably at least 20 hours of that was idling, but still... and Vinny I believe finished it in 55 even without doing much quests.

I still don't know about Pandora's Tower. It's not even an RPG, it's an action game. I honestly don't know if I'd even like it. I do like the story/premise, but I dunno. I haven't heard much in the way of impressions about it.

[pete5883]

Xenoblade is just plain fantastic... gotta be one of my favorite games of all time. As Vinny alluded to, I had over 160 hours on the clock and didn't even 100% the game. :lol: Probably at least 20 hours of that was idling, but still...
I guess you never noticed hitting the Home button stops the clock?

[Vinny]

Xenoblade is just plain fantastic... gotta be one of my favorite games of all time. As Vinny alluded to, I had over 160 hours on the clock and didn't even 100% the game. :lol: Probably at least 20 hours of that was idling, but still... and Vinny I believe finished it in 55 even without doing much quests.

I still don't know about Pandora's Tower. It's not even an RPG, it's an action game. I honestly don't know if I'd even like it. I do like the story/premise, but I dunno. I haven't heard much in the way of impressions about it.

Took me 63 hours, doing probably 10-15% of the sidequests. I didn't know PT wasn't an RPG, just figured it was since the other two games in Rainfall were. I guess I better read up on it on some/watch videos.

[elessar123]

Took me 63 hours, doing probably 10-15% of the sidequests. I didn't know PT wasn't an RPG, just figured it was since the other two games in Rainfall were. I guess I better read up on it on some/watch videos.

Funny how no one knows about Pandora's Tower. I know nothing about it either.

I wanted TLS more than Xenoblades because I've actually never liked any of the Xeno games. I'll give Xenoblades a try, of course. Already have it on preorder.

Pandora's Tower is action role-playing, apparently. It's not necessarily a bad thing, since one of my favorite RPGs is still Secret of Mana. But I don't like most ARPGs.... So I haven't jumped on ordering PT yet, and I'm not sure I will.

[Dead of Knight]

I guess you never noticed hitting the Home button stops the clock?

Yeah it does, but sometimes I was too lazy to even do that. :lol:

One of the more bullshit things in TLS is that the Home button is disabled during cutscenes, and there is no other way to pause the game. If you need to get up and do something during a cutscene, you're shit outta luck. Fuck you Sakaguchi, what was the point of that?

[Vinny]

I wanted TLS more than Xenoblades because I've actually never liked any of the Xeno games. I'll give Xenoblades a try, of course. Already have it on preorder.


Wait... you didn't like Xenogears? That game's a fucking masterpiece even after Square forced them botch up the second half. Oh, how I would love for the other arcs of that series get finish.

Xenosaga 3 was also a fantastic game if you can force yourself to go through the first two games, which are unreasonably archaic and clusterfucked.

Yeah it does, but sometimes I was too lazy to even do that. :lol:

One of the more bullshit things in TLS is that the Home button is disabled during cutscenes, and there is no other way to pause the game. If you need to get up and do something during a cutscene, you're shit outta luck. Fuck you Sakaguchi, what was the point of that?

Actually... there is a way. If you unplug the Nunchuck or Classic Controller from the Remote, it'll stop everything and show you an error message (even during cut-scenes/FMVs). To un-pause, you have to plug the Nunchuck/CC back in.:-P


Anyway, I just beat the game. I really did think the final quarter of the game rinsed itself of the cookie-cutter RPG aspects and told a pretty compelling finale. One thing I will say is that I love the characters, especially all the interactions during the battles/dungeons.

Is there anything to do worthwhile in the Epilogue?

[Dead of Knight]

Wait... you didn't like Xenogears? That game's a fucking masterpiece even after Square forced them botch up the second half. Oh, how I would love for the other arcs of that series get finish.

Xenosaga 3 was also a fantastic game if you can force yourself to go through the first two games, which are unreasonably archaic and clusterfucked.



Actually... there is a way. If you unplug the Nunchuck or Classic Controller from the Remote, it'll stop everything and show you an error message (even during cut-scenes/FMVs). To un-pause, you have to plug the Nunchuck/CC back in.:-P


Anyway, I just beat the game. I really did think the final quarter of the game rinsed itself of the cookie-cutter RPG aspects and told a pretty compelling finale. One thing I will say is that I love the characters, especially all the interactions during the battles/dungeons.

Is there anything to do worthwhile in the Epilogue?

Yeah, Xenogears is just a classic. Though, I replayed Xenosaga 3 recently and it turns out that that game is also shit with some redeeming points. God Shion is the worst protagonist ever.

Also, Xenoblade has absolutely nothing to do with Xenogears/saga and it was only renamed that for name recognition.

Vinny, there are a couple of worthwhile things in the epilogue. It ties up some loose ends. The epilogue is seriously only a couple hours long and it's not hard, so you have nothing to lose.

[Vinny]

Alright, I'll check it out the Epilogue then.

[elessar123]

One thing I will say is that I love the characters, especially all the interactions during the battles/dungeons.

I didn't like Callista very much. She was missing from so much of the game, so she was pretty two-dimensional to me. I started out not liking Mirania, but she ended up being my favorite character, and her skills were great.

[pete5883]

Actually... there is a way. If you unplug the Nunchuck or Classic Controller from the Remote, it'll stop everything and show you an error message (even during cut-scenes/FMVs). To un-pause, you have to plug the Nunchuck/CC back in.:-P
Thanks, I will definitely end up needing to do this.

[Vinny]

I did all the Epilogue stuff... some interesting things in there and definitely worth doing.

[Dead of Knight]

My copy of TLS finally sold on Amazon.... yay.

I think I might actually get Pandora's Tower, just because there really is nothing coming out at all for the next few months. May as well give it a shot.

[KingBroly]

Got my copy of Xenoblade today, and played it for roughly 90 minutes.

+/- The game is very involved. Characters to talk to give you Affinity/Quests/XP up the ying yang. You could really get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of content IN THE FIRST TOWN.
+ Pretty Good Voice Acting Thus Far
+/- The game looks very pretty for a 2009 game. Some parts however, do not. It's like...a much less jaggy Final Fantasy XII
+ Really Good Music
+ Day/Night cycle that I can change the time on at any time is good; not to mention that content changes based on the time of day.
+ Combat is similar to FFXII in terms of play style, but has a better interface
+ Tutorials are simple and easy to follow

Pick it up, folks. Pick it up. I mean, I'd say it's put most JRPG's I've played this gen to shame only after 90 minutes. It's even put Skyward Sword to shame in some parts.

[RedvsBlue]

I love the British accents on the voice acting. I know they kept the voice acting from the European release to save money but it adds a little bit of uniqueness because we never get foreign accents in games it seems like.

I'm about 45 minutes in and it does feel a bit overwhelming to me as well but its definitely got its hooks to keep me playing.

[Cap'n_RDM]

Picked this up today to support it but won't get around to playing it for quite a while.

[Dead of Knight]

I love the British accents on the voice acting. I know they kept the voice acting from the European release to save money but it adds a little bit of uniqueness because we never get foreign accents in games it seems like.

I'm about 45 minutes in and it does feel a bit overwhelming to me as well but its definitely got its hooks to keep me playing.

I'm assuming there's still the Japanese voice option?

Picked mine up, not opening or playing it. Put it in a drawer. I put 160 hours into this game a few months ago, not touching it again for a while. :lol:

[TheLongshot]

One thing I had found out is that the new Doctor Who companion, Jenna-Louise Coleman, was in Xenoblade. She played Melia.

[Vinny]

+/- The game is very involved. Characters to talk to give you Affinity/Quests/XP up the ying yang. You could really get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of content IN THE FIRST TOWN.


What I did was basically talk to everyone and accept every quest. Many of them you'll complete simply by killing monsters/wandering around in the world.

Building good relations with allies helps during the later parts of the game (during combat). It can be a bit frustrating later in the game though as with newer characters, you'll have less time to developer them (unless you do sidquests).

Also, don't forget to make use of your quick travel (not the shortcut from the quick menu, the real one from the regular menu). You can literally travel from the very last point in the game to the very first... assuming you've discovered the landmarks.

[KingBroly]

I forgot to mention that you can only get certain quests are certain times of the day. So you literally have to cover the town three times over to get all of the Quests/Affinities, minimum.

I'm 5.5 hours in now, by the way, and it's getting better. I still haven't fully uncovered the first area of the map.

[FaintDeftone]

I preordered it at GS and picked it up Friday afternoon. Very impressed with it so far. It feels like an old school JRPG with some Western and MMO mechanics thrown into the mix. I love the music so far too. This is probably the best JRPG I've played since FFX.

[setai]

Really impressed with the game so far. I keep thinking back to last year when Nintendo said they had no plans to publish it, and now I can't believe I'm playing it!

[KingBroly]

I wonder how long it takes to get from one end of Bionis' Leg to the other. It must take 15 minutes. I've gone over this area for like an hour and I'm still not halfway done filling in the map :S

Oh, and the game decided to throw in weather effects as well.

[Vinny]

I wonder how long it takes to get from one end of Bionis' Leg to the other. It must take 15 minutes. I've gone over this area for like an hour and I'm still not halfway done filling in the map :S

Oh, and the game decided to throw in weather effects as well.

You can't really determine the actual scale of each part. Some areas are significantly larger but easy to navigate while others are smaller (though differences are marginal) but more complex, with lots of routes/hidden paths.

[blindinglights]

I'm about 20 hours in now, and I'm really liking the game, but I have a few questions.

The items you get from the little orbs, are they used for anything other than side quests? I've been keeping 5 of each in inventory and selling anything beyond that. Seems to be pretty effective so far with completing a lot of side quests instantly, but I don't know if I should hold on to more for anything later in the game.

Is there any reason to keep gems that I craft and don't really use? I sold a TON of the level I gems that I made to help buy all the books for opening up the skill trees and now I'm wondering if that was a mistake. Should I keep them from now on? Do you get any skills later in the game that let you use them like, combining 5 level I to make them into a level II gem or something?

Are side quests the only way to raise affinity with party members? I've done a bunch of side quests, but I've only been able to see one of those hand hold markers other than the tutorial one. Also does affinity affect the gem crafting, because I noticed when Reyn's went up, at the same time I now get more crafting turns with him and Shulk as partners.

Lastly, does the gear selection ever really open up? I'm at Bionis' swamp ass right now, and I've looked at every merchant along the way and I've had gear on some of my party members that has been better than anything available to buy for like 10+ hours. Even though I saved up and bought the best stuff in the earlier towns, I expected it to be outclassed by something by now.

[madcyantist]

Where did most of you purchase the game from? Nintendo?

[Dead of Knight]

I'm about 20 hours in now, and I'm really liking the game, but I have a few questions.

The items you get from the little orbs, are they used for anything other than side quests? I've been keeping 5 of each in inventory and selling anything beyond that. Seems to be pretty effective so far with completing a lot of side quests instantly, but I don't know if I should hold on to more for anything later in the game.

Is there any reason to keep gems that I craft and don't really use? I sold a TON of the level I gems that I made to help buy all the books for opening up the skill trees and now I'm wondering if that was a mistake. Should I keep them from now on? Do you get any skills later in the game that let you use them like, combining 5 level I to make them into a level II gem or something?

Are side quests the only way to raise affinity with party members? I've done a bunch of side quests, but I've only been able to see one of those hand hold markers other than the tutorial one. Also does affinity affect the gem crafting, because I noticed when Reyn's went up, at the same time I now get more crafting turns with him and Shulk as partners.

Lastly, does the gear selection ever really open up? I'm at Bionis' swamp ass right now, and I've looked at every merchant along the way and I've had gear on some of my party members that has been better than anything available to buy for like 10+ hours. Even though I saved up and bought the best stuff in the earlier towns, I expected it to be outclassed by something by now.

1. Don't sell them. You can use them to raise affinity by gifting them. Certain people like certain things.

2. Just sell em.

3. No. Like I said, gifting the collectibles is one way to do it. Also fighting with them in battle is another way to do it. Switch your party up frequently to get affinity spread between party members. Yes affinity does affect gem crafting.

4. Generally the best shit is going to be found.

[Vinny]

3. No. Like I said, gifting the collectibles is one way to do it. Also fighting with them in battle is another way to do it. Switch your party up frequently to get affinity spread between party members. Yes affinity does affect gem crafting.

4. Generally the best shit is going to be found.

You can... gift items to members? Seriously...? I must have missed that completely when I played.:-k

Also for suggestion 4, it's worth noting that gem forging (or whatever it was called) is also a very key part of the equipment. If you have strong affinity between two characters, you can forge some good gems.

[blindinglights]

Thanks for the tips DoK. I stopped selling the collectibles and used a guide to gift them and raised the affinity a good bit between party members. Now I've been able to easily craft III's from the II level stuff I have. Does affinity have any other importance besides the heart to hearts and gem crafting?

[Vinny]

Thanks for the tips DoK. I stopped selling the collectibles and used a guide to gift them and raised the affinity a good bit between party members. Now I've been able to easily craft III's from the II level stuff I have. Does affinity have any other importance besides the heart to hearts and gem crafting?

It does for chain attacks. The highest I got was 15... which was kinda crazy. Most of the heart-to-heart conversations also require a specific affinity level in order for you to see them though it doesn't impact how the conversations go (but your answers could result in affinity going down).

[Dead of Knight]

You can... gift items to members? Seriously...? I must have missed that completely when I played.:-k

:rofl:

[RabbitSuit]

Something new Operation Rainfall is trying out. (http://operationrainfall.com/help-pitch-pandoras-tower-to-publishers/)

They're making press kits of Pandora's tower for publishers in the states to try to incise them. Don't really know if that would help, given I'm sure they all know what it is at this point, but they're offering part of the press kit to donators right now.

$10 donation would get you a trilogy slipcover case, much like the one HMV handed out recently.

[Strell]

Something new Operation Rainfall is trying out. (http://operationrainfall.com/help-pitch-pandoras-tower-to-publishers/)


Hmmm.

I wouldn't even bother with Atlus or NIS. Really I'd scratch Ignition off the list as well. XSEED is the most obvious bet, and then I wouldn't know who to put next in line. Rising Star is fairly new, yeah? They might be willing to prove themselves if they thought the game would be a hit.

I do like the idea of a trilogy box holding all three games. It will set them off properly in a way.

[Dead of Knight]

I think I'd want to play the game first before I donate any money. TLS didn't deserve a release here, I hope Pandora's Tower is better.

[Vinny]

I do like the idea of a trilogy box holding all three games. It will set them off properly in a way.

I pretty much want to donate $10 simply for that slipbox. But I get the feeling that this will get shut down as it has the names/logos of all 3 games without authorization.

I think I'd want to play the game first before I donate any money. TLS didn't deserve a release here, I hope Pandora's Tower is better.

I'm just glad I was able to dump my TLS LE (without the Steelbook, which I kept) for $40 after all fees, but it was still a loss of $26 as it cost me $66 originally. I didn't think the game was bad but definitely not worth more than $30.

I've got Pandora's Tower LE coming... but I only ordered it for the trilogy artbook/box (I'm a sucker for swag), though it's unlikely I'll get the bonuses. I missed the pre-order period completely, and ordered when they re-listed it, at which time the bonus being included wasn't clearly mentioned.:-/

[Dead of Knight]

I ended up dumping my TLS for $30 plus fees, but it was the regular edition. The game didn't have shortages like Xenoblade and I guess word got around quick that the game sucks ass.

In the Deals thread on Pandora's Tower, there's a mention that the trilogy box is a flimsy piece of shit. Glad I didn't get the LE for that.

[Vinny]

^ That and they announced TLS for the US within half an hour of everyone getting their PAL shipment notices.

And the trilogy box was given to everyone who ordered the game (regardless of version) from the HMV, it was a store exclusive. It's not part of the CE.

[Dead of Knight]

And the trilogy box was given to everyone who ordered the game (regardless of version) from the HMV, it was a store exclusive. It's not part of the CE.

Oh ok. I ordered from 365games. I'm not too choked up about it considering its quality.

[Ragnorok64]

A question for those that have played Xenoblade, is it advisable to have a Classic Controller Pro, or would the regular Classic Controller work just as well?