Christmas spirit waning as you get older?

[Fatesealer]

Do you still get excited for Christmas, including a Marioesque 'YIPPEE!!!'... or do you dread it and say 'meh, just another day...'?

[greydemise]

i still get really excited about it..i dno, its just me i guess, i get happy during the holiday season, ,my family is the same, so i guess it helps out too ya kno :)

[TheRaven]

I'm 25 and just as excited for XMas than ever. Not because I expect anything really for myself as I have no real wants or needs so am not asking for anything. But I absolutely cannot wait to give my gifts to my wife and 6 year old son. I also enjoy the time to spend with my family. It's just a special day set aside where we truly appreciate one another even more than we might on a normal day. That's what XMas has become for me at this stage in my life.

[AdamInPlaidum]

Different reasons, same great feelings. God I love this time of year.

[Admiral Ackbar]

I usually try to keep from pulling a Moe Szyslak.

Speaking of that, we need a smiley which pulls a gun and then proceeds to blow his brains out. All we have close to that is this... :fridge:

[Moxio]

Not necessarily a "Ugh Christmas are ovrrat3d" attitude, but I do enjoy the holidays other than the presents. A warm, cheerful atmosphere is what we need.

[Trakan]

I enjoy celebrating the holiday, but it seems like it's just another day to me now as I get older.

[basketkase543]

Definately not as excited as I used to be though I still like it.

[Fatesealer]

Oh yeah... I love some Little Debbie Christmas Tree cakes... and I know somehow, I'm going to get a candy cane to eat... I'm a sucka for holiday only treats... well.......... except for Pepsi Holiday Spice, which I liken to drinking muddy water... if there's any PEPSI in it, I sure couldn't taste it...

[bignick]

I'm 25 and just as excited for XMas than ever. Not because I expect anything really for myself as I have no real wants or needs so am not asking for anything. But I absolutely cannot wait to give my gifts to my wife and 6 year old son. I also enjoy the time to spend with my family. It's just a special day set aside where we truly appreciate one another even more than we might on a normal day. That's what XMas has become for me at this stage in my life.

Same here, except for the wife and kid. I enjoy giving my parents things that they would never buy for themselves. Its my way of saying thanks for all of the sacrifices they made for me all of these years.

[Weedy649]

lol as you get older...havent any of you seen elf! I would never see it as another day though. It depends on whether you see it as a religious time, spending time with those you love or if you see it as spending money and presents. In that case those people hate it when they are older because you get presents when your young but have to shell out the cash for it when your older and you dont get much in return.

[Greetard]

I'd be excited...if I didn't have to go to a midnight mass at our church. I'll be there until 2, and then help put presents out. Yippie :?

[Magician]

I still love Christmas, and not just for the presents. Its just the atmosphere and spirit that seems to only appear near the holidays. The presents don't hurt, either, but I enjoy giving them as much as I do receiving them.

[rabbitt]

I still get pretty excited. I love the snow, the food, the presents.

[Greetard]

Now that I think about it...staying up late isn't that bad.....especially when you have that special morning to look forward to.

[el bobo]

I'm 14 and get excited for it, and I don't think I will ever not get excited for Christmas.

[Moxio]

I still get pretty excited. I love the snow, the food, the presents.

You're luckly. We don't get snow for crap down here.

[road3283]

A few years back my family stopped giving each other gifts. It makes the holidays much more enjoyable not to have all that stress. However, if there were little kids I could still see the fun in giving them presents.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

Last year it was sorta eh... although I still enjoyed it. This year will be the same if not better.

[BlueWingX]

I want to enjoy it, but most of my family just gets depressed about finances around the holidays, and it just seems to bring everything down. I'm going to make an effort to enjoy it this year, though. Wish me luck...

[dustyeff]

I enjoy the holidays. We usually have a Christmas party a couple days before Christmas (the 23rd) (my friends and I) that involves caroling (and freezing our ASSES off) as well as some really kick ass food and movies late into the night. Then, on Christmas Eve (day) I'm going to the Packers vs. Vikings game, and then Christmas Eve/Christmas are always fun to just sit around and watch "A Christmas Story" 12 times in a row.

[Drocket]

Just my own personal observation:

For most people, it seems, there's usually somewhat of a dip in their enjoyment of Christmas that usually happens in the late teens/early 20's. At that point, they're usually too old to get all hyped up about getting gifts, but too young to fully understand the fun of giving, and the sheer joy of being with the people you love. If this describes you, don't worry: in a few years, you'll understand all the sappy crap the holiday shows are filled with.

Another group that tends to not enjoy the holidays is a lot of women (usually ones married with children) who become too stressed out about the 'implementation' of Christmas. To them I would have to say: relax, calm down. When they grow up, your children are NOT going to remember that you made 17 different types of cookies, all perfectly shaped and decorated. They WILL remember how much fun you all had when you made the giant mess while you were all baking sugar cookies together, and Santa came out looking like he was bleeding to death.

[The Shiznit]

Being married with children the holidays are great. Take a little time off of work to enjoy it with them. Also, nothing better than seeing the kids open up presents on Christmas.

[catacasa]

I hate christmas.

[Slipknot9762]

i get excited because its like getting free stuff

[evilpenguin9000]

I used to get really depressed and pissy at X-Mas. It just annoyed me. Then I had a couple of X-mases (what's the plural of X-Mas?) that didn't totally suck, so now I just kinda let it ride and look forward to seeing my friends.

Basically things don't suck as much as I expect so I'm pleasantly surprised. It's the cynics way.

[TheGreat2nd]

Christmas is cool.
Everything is white, close to a fresh start in a New Year, and everybody is generally smiling (especially in the cement jungle of Manhattan =/)
Different kind of atmosphere...of course, a few weeks into January, everyone is pissed off again and cursing at each other.
Theeenn...we wait for the next Christmas :P

[Gothic Walrus]

For most people, it seems, there's usually somewhat of a dip in their enjoyment of Christmas that usually happens in the late teens/early 20's. At that point, they're usually too old to get all hyped up about getting gifts, but too young to fully understand the fun of giving, and the sheer joy of being with the people you love. If this describes you, don't worry: in a few years, you'll understand all the sappy crap the holiday shows are filled with.

I sure hope so...because that describes me perfectly right now. Almost. I really do understand the "fun of giving" aspect - more from my experiences with my friends than anything else - but I'm just not exicted and haven't been for a few years now.

At least I know for a fact that I'll have a shiny new console to play with after the 25th...

[jimbodan]

I'm definately pretty jaded about Christmas. I think the feeling started once I stopped being a kid and stopped getting presents from everyone. When I was a kid all my relatives would buy me presents, and I had to give pretty much nothing, usually just some arts and crafts stuff I made in school. My biggest hassle was just hoping my family didn't screw up my christmas list, I never had to worry about lines or spending money on gifts. Now however that's changed, I only get presents from my grandparents and parents and a few friends. Instead of paying them back with free homemade arts projects I now have to spend actual cash on them. It adds up really fast and just makes Christmas suck. I'd rather just save all that money and buy the presents for myself. Luckily my parents do get me a lot and I always end up getting more in gifts then I spend. I guess I started losing my Christmas spirit when Christmas went from being all about to me to being all about everyone else.

[willardhaven]

I like giving gifts and getting games I can't afford... I do enjoy the time leading up to Christmas a lot more than the actual holiday itself.

[JSweeney]

I think it's actually kind of funny that people are discussing a religious holiday, and yet religion hasn't even been mentioned in the thread yet.

Beyond that, there are a few people in the thread making great points about the joy of giving, and a couple people sounding like spoiled children.

[tornadomann]

i still get really excited for christmas!

[PhrozenFire]

Yeah, I'm not near as excited as I was, say, 10 years ago about getting stuff but I'm more excited about the season in general, than ever. If it's only about presents to you, that's gonna happen, and you deserve it for being so greedy and materialistic.

[bignick]

I think it's actually kind of funny that people are discussing a religious holiday, and yet religion hasn't even been mentioned in the thread yet.

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing that bugs me is when people say Xmas, CHRISTmas. There is a reason its call CHRISTmas.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Yes, because now that I'm older I buy myself everything I want. Also I don't trust my gift picking abilities. All in all I don't enjoy the process much anymore.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

Being the atheist I am, I don't particularly emphasize the christ part of christmas.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Being the atheist I am, I don't particularly emphasize the christ part of christmas.

Same here.

[JSweeney]

That doesn't change the fact that the festival and it's symbology is all religious in nature...
and it's not even just the Christian religions.

In fact, a great deal of the symbology related to christmas was co-opted from pagan religions and later asymilated into the Christan festival of Christmas. Save for the practicioners of the Christan religions and those who see Christmas as a time for displays of friendship and fellowship, Christmas is becoming a commerical holiday... in which sense, of course it's going to feel hollow and empty... without a religous or ethical basis (friendship, fellowship, etc) for the celebration, it becomes nothing else but another out for material excess.
Heck, even the modern interpretation of Santa Claus is nothing but a modified version of a corporate icon designed by the Coca-Cola corporation.

[CaptainObviousXl]

I'm 14 and get excited for it, and I don't think I will ever not get excited for Christmas.
well i turn 16 in december and i got excited about it up untill last year, idk if its cause of the lack of money coming into the house, a new found state of constant depresion, or just that i am getting older. I still do like giving gifts even though i think i went to far last year.

[Inmate #10943]

Being a Christian I sort of get bummed out at Christmas. It's sort of lost its true meaning. Who thinks of Christ at Christmas anymore. You know it's: Circuit City, Saks, tree, ornaments, wrapping paper, obligatory Christmas cards, gift for the letter carrier, etc. etc. Spend spend spend!
It's good for the economy!

I think I'm going to find a new holiday and George Costanza's father had the right idea -
Happy Festivus Everybody!

[alongx]

Over the last 4-5 years, I've enjoyed buying gifts for my family more than even receiving gifts. This year I had some fun, because we're spending Christmas with some of my cousins who I did the shopping for.

[punqsux]

i do like the idea of xmas...but as ive grown older ive also grown cynical, and i hate the way xmas makes people act.

i do however love seeing people open gifts i get them...i kinda pride myself on getting people gifts that really tune in to who they are....also i love watching my baby cousin tear through about a million toys wrappings =o)

[evilmax17]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

[JSweeney]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

There seems to be something subtly evil about what you're saying.
It seems like you're rejecting your faith, throwing out any real faith or responsibility it asks of you, and using it only when it's beneficial to you.

Just because you're celebrating the secular aspect of the holiday season is no reason to overlook the spirtual aspect of it, regardless of your faith.
I have no issue with someone being an atheist or agnostic... they're free to believe what they wish. But to claim membership to a religion and then toss out the tenents of your religion "just because" seems disingenous at best. Of course, the level of this would all depend on what level of membership in the church you are... if you were baptised and recieved First Communion, I could understand somewhat if you grew away from the church... your membership was chosen by your parents, and if you don't accept the beliefs, you are not forced to stay...
If you're confirmed, it's worse, because you actually decided to be a member of the church community.

[Lootr2Core]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians.


You sir are a moron.

[punqsux]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

[RAMSTORIA]

I usually try to keep from pulling a Moe Szyslak.



when i was a kid we called it being a scrooge....

[Lootr2Core]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

[Tromack]

I'm 25 and just as excited for XMas than ever. Not because I expect anything really for myself as I have no real wants or needs so am not asking for anything. But I absolutely cannot wait to give my gifts to my wife and 6 year old son. I also enjoy the time to spend with my family. It's just a special day set aside where we truly appreciate one another even more than we might on a normal day. That's what XMas has become for me at this stage in my life.

I agree. The giving is so much more rewarding. Sure it's nice to get stuff, but it isn't as if I wouldn't have gotten most of the things I get myself. But to actually make someone else happy, that is great.

[moiety]

As a kid, I'd always have a long list of things I wanted. I noticed that as the years went on, that list grew shorter and shorter. I just didn't care about opening lots of stuff anymore. I'm 22 now, and I'm not really asking for any material things this Christmas. It's funny how it changes...

Like punq said, I also enjoy watching other people open gifts I've gotten them. I get a lot more satisfaction from that than opening my own gifts.

What's more mindblowing to me is how the holiday season seems to come around quicker and quicker every year...

[RAMSTORIA]

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

that is the stupidest idea in the world, cmon, the reason christmas is so big in america is because MOST AMERICANS ARE CHRISTIAN, not because people are excluded... christmas is not this big in many non-christian countries. and for the record anyone can celebrate christmas, i know plenty of athiests that do.

[punqsux]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

little redundant there burnsey ^^
mind sharing why im a moron?

[Tromack]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

[hulk409]

"i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions"

Holy hell people, what is wrong with you? This is Christmas. This is when we celebrate the birth of Christ. If you simply want to celebrate the secular part of it, that's fine, but to say "it should be fair to all religions" is idiotic.

[Lootr2Core]

[quote=evilmax17]I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians.

Ya, and lets take the thanks out of thanksgiving what is that all about? and the veterans out of veterans' day, and the memory out of memorial day.. and lets take the indepenance out of indepandance day... and lets take Labor out of Labor day..


you sir, are a moron.......

[punqsux]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

[Ledhed]

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

I pray that is sarcasm. This is the non-sensical side of political correctness shining through. I find the idea of a combination holiday along the lines of what you just mentioned ridiculously offensive, and I don't even follow any of those religions. There is no need to call the Holidays that.

[JSweeney]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?

[evilmax17]

If you're confirmed, it's worse, because you actually decided to be a member of the church community.

I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.

[Lootr2Core]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.

[Mafia]

Bah mother fucking humbug. Since I just started working at Target, I don't even get paid for it this year, and at this point it's just another day off to me, except for passing somewhat fake wishes of joy to those who do not normally get them.

That, and working retail. It might be different if I didn't work retail, but dealing with the assiest of assholes for some fucking $97 camera just annoys me and makes me want to do very not nice things to them....

[manofpeace20]

I still get excited about Christmas and get in the spirit, but its not the same as when i was a kid because of the great white lie. When I eventually have my own family with children, I can see myslef getting even more excited about Christmas. Plus, with my line of work I plan to get in (teaching), I will forever get a Christmas break!

[JSweeney]

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

While that is true, as it was symbolic of the cross, the use of that symbology fell out of favor... that is neither the reasoning nor the intent of most that use that shorthand... especially when you see the context in which one is using it.
If someone were using it, it is an innocuous oversight.
However, many use it with a more malicious intent.

[Tromack]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.

This looks legitimate enough. http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html

[JSweeney]

Tromack, did you read the usage notes on that which you just qouted?

[EddieBelfour]

christmas sucks, just ask jc.

[punqsux]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?

1)fuck society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

2)no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

3)i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like.

[CaptainObviousXl]

If you're confirmed, it's worse, because you actually decided to be a member of the church community.

I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.
hell i paid for my ds using my confermation money so was it worth it... yes

[Lootr2Core]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.

This looks legitimate enough. http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html]


Yes, and everyone in the US know greek. even in the early days of Christianity Jesus was never spelled as X--- NEVER in the New Testament was Christ spelled as X---- CHRISTOS--yes but not X...PX(CHI RHO came into favor after emporer Constantine had his army draw that symbol on their shield after a dream of divine inspiration.

X--was NEVER shorthand for Christians..

[punqsux]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.

the markings on the door i picked up from an art history class, and yes i know the p goes through it, i just didnt know the name of the symbol.

a religious holiday should not be a national holiday because that makes it seem like the gov. endorses that religion, which the gov. never should do. its imposing on people who are not of that religion but feel the need to conform to society.

[moiety]

Kala Xristouyena! :lol:

(I'm Greek)

[JSweeney]

shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?

[Lootr2Core]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?

1)shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

2)no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

3)i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like.

About point 2.. no one said renaming christmas.. I think when you said, "i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas" that was implied.

[sj41]

The best part of Christmas will be Cheapy's avatar as himself being Santa Claus. :lol:

[Lootr2Core]

I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop

you sir are a moron..

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.

the markings on the door i picked up from an art history class, and yes i know the p goes through it, i just didnt know the name of the symbol.

a religious holiday should not be a national holiday because that makes it seem like the gov. endorses that religion, which the gov. never should do. its imposing on people who are not of that religion but feel the need to conform to society.

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

[moiety]

When I eventually have my own family with children, I can see myslef getting even more excited about Christmas.

Yeah, I'm excited about that too! Knowing how my parents felt giving me Christmas's, I think that will be a great time in my life.

[Ledhed]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.

[Lootr2Core]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.


so can you name a national holiday that doesn't favor an organized religion?

[JSweeney]

I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

I blame your parents then. You ARE supposed to be given choice on that, as without you going into the ceremony of free will and desire to do so, it's just a sham, kept up for appearence.

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.

I blame your parents, mostly, and you somewhat, for not standing up for yourself. While at the age you were, I know that is difficult, but being confirmed is supposed to be a deep spiritual thing, where you make the decision that you do want to live the Catholic lifestyle.

While it doesn't make you blameless, It does make your viewpoint make a bit more sense. I feel deeply sorry for you that you parents forced you into something you didn't believe yourself ready for or want.

[punqsux]

shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?

1) i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

2) im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

3)what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!!

[CaseyRyback]

I did all the Cristmas shopping last year.


I have a deep respect for people who have to do it every year. It is a huge pain in the ass

[punqsux]

About point 2.. no one said renaming christmas.. I think when you said, "i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas" that was implied.

thats why i call it xmas.
i never said the holiday should be changed to be called that

[Jaket]

im jewish.... the spirit is already winding down after day 3 or 4 ;)

[evilmax17]

JSweeney, why did you edit your post? I thought you made a great point in seperating the HISTORICAL meaning of the holiday and the SECULAR meaning.

Historically, the first "thanksgiving" likely didn't even happen. The whole smallpox on blankets thing kind of sours the deal. However, secularly, Thanksgiving is about eating turkey and being thankful. Secular > Historical in this case.

Historically, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus the Christ. Now for whichever reason (most probably that the majority of America is christian), Christmas has become the "national" December holiday. That is a reality. While I would much rather see the holiday season become completely non-discriminatory, we have to deal with the state of it as it stands. The solution to this is commercialization. In stead of seeing Jesus commercials, you see Santa Claus. So the secular meaning of Christmas has taken the form of giving presents, and showing loved ones that you care for them. I don't think that its a horrible trade.

This is not selfish. Christian's who use their religious majority to try and enforce the historical significance are only looking out for themselves. Again, I agree that the nationalization of Christmas is wrong, but it happened. Commercializing the holiday somewhat fixes this error. If you'd like the religion inserted back into christmas, then do it yourselves, in your own homes. Don't force it onto other people, regardless if the majority of people in America follow your beliefs. Don't forget, the majority of Americans are caucasian also, but that doesn't mean you can pander everything to them.

Also, I liked the IDEA of "ChristmaHanukwanzika", not the name. The name sucks. The idea does not.

Sumation: If you're going to put christmas EVERYWHERE, you had better make it accessible to EVERYONE. If you don't want to sacrifice the meaning of the holiday in the process, then don't put it everywhere. However, since it already IS everywhere, I don't see commercialization as a bad temporary solution to the problem.

[bignick]

You guys never cease to amaze me! So, there should be no religious holidays, no presidents day because some people may take offended by things they may have done, no colombus day becasue he was mean to the indians, no Martin Luther King Jr day becasue some people dont like blacks. We shouldnt teach our kids about the declaration of independance because it has references to God in it. Anything else?

[punqsux]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

will you guys try and see what im saying instead of twisting around words i have not said?

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...

veterans day is a national holiday, its there to remember people who have serverd time, and people who have given their lives for our country. something all american can relate to or be thankful for (mans i know you guys are going to tear apart that line...)

christmas is no such holiday, its a religious holiday.

[Ledhed]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.


so can you name a national holiday that doesn't favor an organized religion?

That isn't the point. Of course individual holidays recognize individual religions. The point is there should be no religion favored over others, or no religion favored period. How would you feel if your gov't was acknowledging many important days for someone else's religion, but not acknowledging any of yours? You'd see it as favoritism, wouldn't you? That is the point of what I was saying.

EDIT:You guys never cease to amaze me! So, there should be no religious holidays, no presidents day because some people may take offended by things they may have done, no colombus day becasue he was mean to the indians, no Martin Luther King Jr day becasue some people dont like blacks. We shouldnt teach our kids about the declaration of independance because it has references to God in it. Anything else?

Who the hell said we shouldn't acknowledge those holidays? The point is that no one thing should be favored over others.

[Lootr2Core]

shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?

1) i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

2) im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

3)what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!!

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..

[Lootr2Core]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?

will you guys try and see what im saying instead of twisting around words i have not said?

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...

veterans day is a national holiday, its there to remember people who have serverd time, and people who have given their lives for our country. something all american can relate to or be thankful for (mans i know you guys are going to tear apart that line...)

christmas is no such holiday, its a religious holiday.

So veterans day is a national holiday with no religious mention? Methinks you need you read some of Abraham Lincoln's speeches again.

[xenoman80]

wait what there no santa. huh no easter buny mickey mouse is mexican whats the word cumming to

[JSweeney]

i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

I don't disagree with you on the fact that Christmas should not be recognized as a goverment holiday, if you are one that maintains believes in the strict application of consitutional law. Of course, in that case, you'd also be opposed to many of the constitution amendments.

im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

That's fine, I'm glad you can create a holiday that is meaningful to you.
But its' not fair to trample the feelings and beliefs of a group of people by bastardizing the name of thier holiday (Christmas has been the accepted name of the Christain holiday, and Xmas has fallen out of favor, as it refers more now to the commercialized bastardization of that holiday.)

what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!!

Xmas is a loaded word. While not originally intented to, it represents almost the antithesis of what Christmas stands for... it directly refers to the commericalized bastardization of the Christian holiday, creating a consumer driven holiday that has no moral or ethical basis.

[moiety]

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...


It's probably cuz they don't want to 'get' what you're saying.

It feels like this topic is going in circles....

[6669]

wait what there no santa. huh no easter buny mickey mouse is mexican whats the word cumming to

Allow me to translate:
"Wait, what? There isn't a Santa? Huh? No Easter Bunny? Mickey Mouse is Mexican? What's the world coming to?

PS What's wrong about Mickey Mouse being Mexican?

[Lootr2Core]

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...


It's probably cuz they don't want to 'get' what you're saying.

It feels like this topic is going in circles....

please summarize what he is trying to say then...

[punqsux]

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..

i celebrate xmas for 2 reasons.
1)traditions, i was raised in a christian family.
2)my already stated enjoyments of the holiday.

i do not celebrate christmas in its real meaning.
me celebrating it has nothing to do with jesus being born, it has to do with sharing gifts with people i care about. i dont think it would be fair to the actual meaning of christmas for me to call it that as it would disrespect the meaning, which i do respect to for people that do believe it.

did i say that words dont matter? obviously words can be offensive, i dont believe i ever said anything that said they couldnt be...

[bignick]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.



Jan 1 New Year's Day Ban it becasue not everyone celebrates the same start of the new year
Jan 19 Martin Luther King Day Ban it, not all people like blacks
Feb 14 Valentine's Day Ban it, everyone isnt in love

Feb 16 President's Day Ban it, everyone doesnt like them
Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
May 9 Mother's Day Ban it, not everyone has a mother
May 31 Memorial Day Ban it, some of those soldiers died in a war that someone didnt like
Jun 20 Father's Day Ban it, not everyone has a fater
Jul 4 Independence Day Ban it, it may be offensive to other nations
Sep 6 Labor Day Keep it
Oct 11 Columbus Day Ban it, he was mean to the Indians
Oct 31 Halloween Ban it, ghosts are scary to some people
Nov 11 Veterans Day Ban it, they fought in wars that some people didnt agree with
Nov 25 Thanksgiving Day Ban it because it is mean to animals
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious

[6669]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.



Jan 1 New Year's Day Ban it becasue not everyone celebrates the same start of the new year
Jan 19 Martin Luther King Day Ban it, not all people like blacks
Feb 14 Valentine's Day Ban it, everyone isnt in love

Feb 16 President's Day Ban it, everyone doesnt like them
Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
May 9 Mother's Day Ban it, not everyone has a mother
May 31 Memorial Day Ban it, some of those soldiers died in a war that someone didnt like
Jun 20 Father's Day Ban it, not everyone has a fater
Jul 4 Independence Day Ban it, it may be offensive to other nations
Sep 6 Labor Day Keep it
Oct 11 Columbus Day Ban it, he was mean to the Indians
Oct 31 Halloween Ban it, ghosts are scary to some people
Nov 11 Veterans Day Ban it, they fought in wars that some people didnt agree with
Nov 25 Thanksgiving Day Ban it because it is mean to animals
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious

But a lot of those give us days off of school.

[Lootr2Core]

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..

i celebrate xmas for 2 reasons.
1)traditions, i was raised in a christian family.
2)my already stated enjoyments of the holiday.

i do not celebrate christmas in its real meaning.
me celebrating it has nothing to do with jesus being born, it has to do with sharing gifts with people i care about. i dont think it would be fair to the actual meaning of christmas for me to call it that as it would disrespect the meaning, which i do respect to for people that do believe it.

did i say that words dont matter? obviously words can be offensive, i dont believe i ever said anything that said they couldnt be...

so why do you celebrate something you don't believe in? so what is the 'actual meanin of christmas' that you don't wan't to disrespect? If you don't believe in it how can you disrespect it? I don't believe in Friday the 13th.. so I don't mark that day by being afraid or steering clear of it..

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious

I can agree with those.

[punqsux]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

[moiety]

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...


It's probably cuz they don't want to 'get' what you're saying.

It feels like this topic is going in circles....

please summarize what he is trying to say then...

Exactly my point! :lol:

[JSweeney]

Historically, the first "thanksgiving" likely didn't even happen. The whole smallpox on blankets thing kind of sours the deal. However, secularly, Thanksgiving is about eating turkey and being thankful. Secular > Historical in this case.

Historically, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus the Christ. Now for whichever reason (most probably that the majority of America is christian), Christmas has become the "national" December holiday. That is a reality. While I would much rather see the holiday season become completely non-discriminatory, we have to deal with the state of it as it stands. The solution to this is commercialization. In stead of seeing Jesus commercials, you see Santa Claus. So the secular meaning of Christmas has taken the form of giving presents, and showing loved ones that you care for them. I don't think that its a horrible trade.

I don't either, so long as someone doesn't try to completely remove the obvious religious overtones and symbology of the holiday.
People can celebrate the holiday however they see fit... but when they try to completely remove the religious significance of the holiday because it gets in the way of the consumerism of the holiday (which is exactly what I see calling the holiday "Xmas" as (which is an accepted viewpoint... look at the usage notes of the source Tromack quoted earlier).

This is not selfish. Christian's who use their religious majority to try and enforce the historical significance are only looking out for themselves. Again, I agree that the nationalization of Christmas is wrong, but it happened. Commercializing the holiday somewhat fixes this error. If you'd like the religion inserted back into christmas, then do it yourselves, in your own homes. Don't force it onto other people, regardless if the majority of people in America follow your beliefs. Don't forget, the majority of Americans are caucasian also, but that doesn't mean you can pander everything to them.

I don't mind that there is a secular aspect to the holiday. But when that secular aspect tries to completely remove the religious aspect that it grew from, that vexes me to no end.

Also, I liked the IDEA of "ChristmaHanukwanzika", not the name. The name sucks. The idea does not.

I don't like the idea, as again it minimalizes religions. I have no problems with secular holidays, and a secular holiday season wouldn't bother me at all. Remove the idea of it including the religious festivals of Channuka and Christmas, and I don't have a problem with it... until they expect us to render tribute unto a world government or some secular idol.

Sumation: If you're going to put christmas EVERYWHERE, you had better make it accessible to EVERYONE. If you don't want to sacrifice the meaning of the holiday in the process, then don't put it everywhere. However, since it already IS everywhere, I don't see commercialization as a bad temporary solution to the problem.

The thing is, it isn't the Church putting Christmas everywhere. It's corporations... it's yet another huge advertising promotion to them.. they get to push thier products. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've actually seen any commericals from the Pope trying to drive up participation during the Christmas Season.

[CrimGhost]

Too bad im Buddhist :cry:

[CaseyRyback]

Christianity is still big in America, and if 1/2 the workforce skips work, what is going to get done?

[punqsux]

so why do you celebrate something you don't believe in? so what is the 'actual meanin of christmas' that you don't wan't to disrespect? If you don't believe in it how can you disrespect it? I don't believe in Friday the 13th.. so I don't mark that day by being afraid or steering clear of it..

CAN YOU NOT READ?! i just told you why i celebrate it!!

the meaning of christmas was ment to mean people who actully practice the holiday as a religious and spitual day. i dont want to disrespect that because i wouldnt want them disrespecting me for what i believe in (tho from this thread it dosent look like i get off so easy :wink:)

you analogy to friday the 13th makes no sence, the date on the calendar does exist, as christmas does exist.

i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

[jmcc]

Aren't we forgetting the true meaning of the day: the birth of Santa?

edit: PS: my holiday spirit has already worn off. Them pushing it before Thanksgiving was the last straw for me this year. And boy, do I ever have pity on any retail employees this time of year, not for the extra work they have to do, but for the constant Christmas music playing for all the hours they work. I'd blow my brains out after a couple days of that and they have a month to go...

[Lootr2Core]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.



Jan 1 New Year's Day Ban it becasue not everyone celebrates the same start of the new year

or that is has been for over 1500 years a Chriistian holiday

Jan 19 Martin Luther King Day Ban it, not all people like blacks

Nor do people like the idea that Rev. Kings message was about Christian Justice.


Feb 14 Valentine's Day Ban it, everyone isnt in love

A Christian Martyr

Feb 16 President's Day Ban it, everyone doesnt like them

2 Christian Presidents--Lincoln and Washington.


Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

I'd agree actually on banning this one.. no religious precedent.. there is no "Easter Monday"

May 9 Mother's Day Ban it, not everyone has a mother

OK to ban however it does mark "honor thy father and mother."

May 31 Memorial Day Ban it, some of those soldiers died in a war that someone didnt like

Read Abe Lincolns proclamation...


Jun 20 Father's Day Ban it, not everyone has a fater
Jul 4 Independence Day Ban it, it may be offensive to other nations


Sep 6 Labor Day Keep it

Keeping the sabbath


Oct 11 Columbus Day Ban it, he was mean to the Indians
\
In SOuth Dakota it is Native American Day.. In North Dakota it is ."Remember Leif Eriicson discovered america hundreds of years before columbus.."


Oct 31 Halloween Ban it, ghosts are scary to some people

ALl Hallows Eve---religious holliday..
Nov 11 Veterans Day Ban it, they fought in wars that some people didnt agree with

Religious holiday..


Nov 25 Thanksgiving Day Ban it because it is mean to animals
Read all the proclamations--christian holiday..


Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious

duh

[Lootr2Core]

[quote=Lootr2Core]


i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

That quote is probably the dumbest thing I've read since DLF! So you say Christmas 'exists' yet don't want to mention the religious foundations which is the only reason of the holliday.. So what Exactly do you celebrate on Christmas and WHY!???

[bignick]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

Hey, if people want religion out, then its all or nothing. As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How fucked up is that.

[jmcc]

As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How shaq-fued up is that.

TOTALLY UNEXPECTE'D!

[punqsux]

[quote=Lootr2Core]


i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

That quote is probably the dumbest thing I've read since DLF! So you say Christmas 'exists' yet don't want to mention the religious foundations which is the only reason of the holliday.. So what Exactly do you celebrate on Christmas and WHY!???

dude i swear you must just type random replys without reading the posts you quote.

christmas exists...there is no way around that fact.
i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.
my disbeleif does not make the holiday non-existant.

i already told you what i celebrate on xmas and why, and i already told you i already told you.

[punqsux]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

Hey, if people want religion out, then its all or nothing. As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How shaq-fued up is that.
how does it benefit me?

[evilmax17]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

Hey, if people want religion out, then its all or nothing. As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How shaq-fued up is that.

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

[jmcc]

i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

That quote is probably the dumbest thing I've read since DLF! So you say Christmas 'exists' yet don't want to mention the religious foundations which is the only reason of the holliday.. So what Exactly do you celebrate on Christmas and WHY!???

dude i swear you must just type random replys without reading the posts you quote.

christmas exists...there is no way around that fact.
i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.
my disbeleif does not make the holiday non-existant.

i already told you what i celebrate on xmas and why, and i already told you i already told you.

What did you do to the quote tags? And what's this all about?

edit: fixed god's cruelest mistake: the unclosed quote tag.

[moiety]

Aren't we forgetting the true meaning of the day: the birth of Santa?


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005M2FC.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Lootr2Core]

[quote=Lootr2Core]


i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

That quote is probably the dumbest thing I've read since DLF! So you say Christmas 'exists' yet don't want to mention the religious foundations which is the only reason of the holliday.. So what Exactly do you celebrate on Christmas and WHY!???

dude i swear you must just type random replys without reading the posts you quote.

christmas exists...there is no way around that fact.
i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.
my disbeleif does not make the holiday non-existant.

i already told you what i celebrate on xmas and why, and i already told you i already told you.

And you must not think about what you are typing before you type it.

So in your mind Christmas exists... but you don't believe in it.. Don't you realize that is like me stating that ' I don't believe in the Roman Calander.. but I know this is November 27!?

The holiday is non-existant in your eyes... and it sounds like you are trying to make your belief (or rather disbelief) true in my eyes.

[punqsux]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

[Lootr2Core]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

Hey, if people want religion out, then its all or nothing. As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How shaq-fued up is that.

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

Whats the most popular movie duriing easter/passover? Could it be the 10 commandments starring Charlton Heston. According to Punxsux.. that Jewish stuff shouldn't be seen either ( I would disagree)

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

[punqsux]

And you must not think about what you are typing before you type it.

So in your mind Christmas exists... but you don't believe in it.. Don't you realize that is like me stating that ' I don't believe in the Roman Calander.. but I know this is November 27!?

The holiday is non-existant in your eyes... and it sounds like you are trying to make your belief (or rather disbelief) true in my eyes.

ok i am no longer replying to anything you say in this thread because you are unable to grasp the point im trying to get across no matter how clearly i try and state that point, over and over, your posts are made with no other reason than to incite and im not here for a fight im here for a discussion (heated though it may be, a discussion)

^^

[Lootr2Core]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

[Lootr2Core]

And you must not think about what you are typing before you type it.

So in your mind Christmas exists... but you don't believe in it.. Don't you realize that is like me stating that ' I don't believe in the Roman Calander.. but I know this is November 27!?

The holiday is non-existant in your eyes... and it sounds like you are trying to make your belief (or rather disbelief) true in my eyes.

ok i am no longer replying to anything you say in this thread because you are unable to grasp the point im trying to get across no matter how clearly i try and state that point, over and over, your posts are made with no other reason than to incite and im not here for a fight im here for a discussion (heated though it may be, a discussion)

^^

good grief I was thinking the same thing about your thoughts.

Edit: IS IT NO WONDER I CAN"T MAKE SENSE OF YOUR POSTS---such wonderful typing/grammar. CAN YOU NOT READ?! i just told you why i celebrate it!!

the meaning of christmas was ment to mean people who actully practice the holiday as a religious and spitual day. i dont want to disrespect that because i wouldnt want them disrespecting me for what i believe in (tho from this thread it dosent look like i get off so easy Wink)

you analogy to friday the 13th makes no sence, the date on the calendar does exist, as christmas does exist.

i didnt mean i dont believe in christmas as in christmas dosent exist, i ment it in i dont believe in the religious foundations of the holiday.

[moiety]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

If history has shown anything at all, it's that no one can agree when it comes to religion.

[JSweeney]

Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious

i agree with that as well...i understand what you were saying was a joke, but i hope you realized how ridiculous you sounded outside of how ridiculous you actully were trying to sound

Hey, if people want religion out, then its all or nothing. As JSweeny called several people on, its only ok when it benefits you. How shaq-fued up is that.

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

Talk to the corporations and unions... they were the ones that force through most of the paid vacations and holidays.

[bignick]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

Since the USA is mostly Christian, wouldnt it make sence to celebrate Christian holidays? So Israel shouldnt celebrate Jewish holidays?

[punqsux]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

:rofl: you just summed up what ive been thinking for the past hour

[Lootr2Core]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

Since the USA is mostly Christian, wouldnt it make sence to celebrate Christian holidays? So Israel shouldnt celebrate Jewish holidays?


No I guess you can't bring that up as religion is bad in some peoples' eyes.

[CaseyRyback]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

what about buddist, hindu, rastafarian, satanists?

Christianity is still dominant here in America, if another religion started to challenge Christianity in terms of popularity, then I would assume that their holidays would also be celebrated

EDIT: I guess me, Big Nick, and Loot all see eye to eye on this one

[jmcc]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

:rofl: you just summed up what ive been thinking for the past hour

That's focused thinking.

[punqsux]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

Since the USA is mostly Christian, wouldnt it make sence to celebrate Christian holidays? So Israel shouldnt celebrate Jewish holidays?

this country was founded on the basis of freedom of religion.
the country recognizing one religious holiday over others is wrong.

like you said, all or nothing as far as national religious holidays go.

[bignick]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

what about buddist, hindu, rastafarian, satanists?

Christianity is still dominant here in America, if another religion started to challenge Christianity in terms of popularity, then I would assume that their holidays would also be celebrated

EDIT: I guess me, Big Nick, and Loot all see eye to eye on this one

I would be cool with a national rastafarian day. Say April 20th.

[JSweeney]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

:rofl: you just summed up what ive been thinking for the past hour

Yes, because everyone who has agreed with you has been nothing but polite, logical and reasonable, right?

Please.

In fact, that's probably one of the most ridiculously rude and short sighted things I've ever seen sblymnlcrymnl write. I've yet to see anyone chastise him for being athiest, but it's fine to play take a cheapshot on the Christians, right?

What's next, maybe a couple of lions?

[sblymnlcrymnl]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

what about buddist, hindu, rastafarian, satanists?

Christianity is still dominant here in America, if another religion started to challenge Christianity in terms of popularity, then I would assume that their holidays would also be celebrated

EDIT: I guess me, Big Nick, and Loot all see eye to eye on this one

I don't believe that any holiday from any religion should be celebrated or even acknowledged by the government. End of story.

[Lootr2Core]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

Since the USA is mostly Christian, wouldnt it make sence to celebrate Christian holidays? So Israel shouldnt celebrate Jewish holidays?

this country was founded on the basis of freedom of religion.
the country recognizing one religious holiday over others is wrong.

like you said, all or nothing as far as national religious holidays go.

should one toss out the declaration of independance as well?

[jmcc]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

what about buddist, hindu, rastafarian, satanists?

Christianity is still dominant here in America, if another religion started to challenge Christianity in terms of popularity, then I would assume that their holidays would also be celebrated

EDIT: I guess me, Big Nick, and Loot all see eye to eye on this one

Me too. Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to worship Jesus Christ.

[jmcc]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

:rofl: you just summed up what ive been thinking for the past hour

Yes, because everyone who has agreed with you has been nothing but polite, logical and reasonable, right?

Please.

In fact, that's probably one of the most ridiculously rude and short sighted things I've ever seen sblymnlcrymnl write. I've yet to see anyone chastise him for being athiest, but it's fine to play take a cheapshot on the Christians, right?

What's next, maybe a couple of lions?

Yeah, but he'll get his in hell. Blasphemers always do.

[Lootr2Core]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

You applaud yet if more Jewish holidays were celebrated would your arguement change?

what about buddist, hindu, rastafarian, satanists?

Christianity is still dominant here in America, if another religion started to challenge Christianity in terms of popularity, then I would assume that their holidays would also be celebrated

EDIT: I guess me, Big Nick, and Loot all see eye to eye on this one

amen amen

[evilmax17]

What's next, maybe a couple of lions?

Hey homie, you guys are in the majority. The Christians don't have that underdog thing going for them anymore.

[bignick]

I agree, all or nothing. Yet, Jewish holidays are RARELY seen on tv, and jewish holidays are increasingly not being observed by schools. I think that the schools in my area excuse the Jewish kids on these days, but the rest of us have class.

So as it stands, all CHRISTIAN holidays are being observed, and thats about it. So which is it, all or nothing?

:applause:

Since the USA is mostly Christian, wouldnt it make sence to celebrate Christian holidays? So Israel shouldnt celebrate Jewish holidays?

this country was founded on the basis of freedom of religion.
the country recognizing one religious holiday over others is wrong.

like you said, all or nothing as far as national religious holidays go.

should one toss out the declaration of independance as well?

You have to, it has refrences to God in it.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Wow. I didn't know people could be this stupid, but I guess religion just brings this side out.

:rofl: you just summed up what ive been thinking for the past hour

Yes, because everyone who has agreed with you has been nothing but polite, logical and reasonable, right?

Please.

In fact, that's probably one of the most ridiculously rude and short sighted things I've ever seen sblymnlcrymnl write. I've yet to see anyone chastise