CAGcast #247: Crowd Control (Now with Ding-Dongle Support)

[CheapyD]

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Outro - Hot [Shipwreck Super Dub] - Mechas - Global Underground: Moscow

[Kyrox]

I'm giddy inside.

[Nero514]

Just in time for me to go to sleep I look forward to all the user generated goodness(or chaos) listening now.

[Skooljester]

I'm quite glad my addition of "Ding" to the title managed to stay throughout the storm of edits.

[eberm72492]

Oh god mental image, Wtf bro!

[USB Cable]

That song at the end totally gave me a :^o . Did you put that together Cheapy? :p

[SuxoR]

YES! Pretending to write those memos tomorrow won't be so bad! Thanks guys

[Velo214]

Great show! Thanx for a fun listen.
I actually platted two worlds two, it isnt that bad, just dont ever take it serious.
I was a wolf summoner that made the enemies implode, good times ;)
the velvet edition is interesting.

[Kylearan]

All the Global Warming talk was probably a direct response to all the Global Cooling theories thrown around in the 70s. (Yep, Global Cooling.)

Pretty brilliant, right? Seeing as the planet is either warming up or cooling off ALL THE TIME. Take your pick.

[CheapyD]

That song at the end totally gave me a :^o . Did you put that together Cheapy? :p

I added the shipwreck soundbyte. The song is Hot by Mechas and can be found on Deep Dish's Global Underground: Moscow album.

[Marzy]

Where's CAGcast 246? Did I miss something? :(

[Sgt Barone]

Very excited to listen!

[LiK]

Hahaha, Cheapy has poop stories, Shipwreck has puke stories, I wonder how Wombat will top them?

[davidb69]

I enjoy the cagcast, till the ending mix where it sounds like Shipwreck is having sex. Ugg, very disturbing

[Kung Fu ZEPHYR]

Good show gentlemen. You could tell early on that you all were not that interested but you still pulled out a series of quality performances. However, I definitely think Shipwreck was the star of the show. His unintentional homosexual comments were hilarious! He started off the show by providing details of what type of balls he ate at the sausage fest and finished the show describing Daniel Radcliff's body. Best of all, his monotone voice did not miss a beat so he either has an amazing poker face or he was dead serious. Either way, very hilarious.

Cheapy, you mentioned that the most recent NPD numbers had been released but failed to segway that into a top analyst segment....(Sigh). I feel like an overly competitive father watching his son strike out at tee-ball.

Wombat, thank you for bringing up mm2barry's post during the show feedback segment.

Good stuff all-around...Solid veteran performance. I'm a little surprised that you guys didn't mention COD:MW3 on your 2011 wish lists. I guess you guys are not big fans of FPS games.

My 2011 wishlist: 1.) SKYRIM 2.) Uncharted 3 3.) Call of Duty: MW3

[Darknyss]

I'm a little surprised that you guys didn't mention COD:MW3 on your 2011 wish lists. I guess you guys are not big fans of FPS games.
Nope, Cheapy just has better taste and is more of a Battlefield guy ;)

Picking a top 3 for the rest of this year is insanely tough for me. I want Skyrim, Dark Souls, Uncharted 3 and BF3 all the same.

Good show but wtf @ the Harry Potter discussion. You guys started freaking me out. Loved the outro though!

[ObiBen]

Damn, I forgot to add to the outline! Oh well, I'm sure this will be just as good as the last user generated show. Can't wait to listen.

[Kyrox]

Great show. I am a little disappointed that there was not a whole lot of the silliness from the outline. I mean last time gave us Cagcast thug life. It seemed like you just wanted a real outline from the fans.

[VladZhao]

Great show. I am a little disappointed that there was not a whole lot of the silliness from the outline. I mean last time gave us Cagcast thug life. It seemed like you just wanted a real outline from the fans. This is basically my feelings. While I enjoyed the show, I was expecting more silliness from the outline, it seems like you guys just picked the serious topics from it and talked about those, none of the humor. So even though that was disappointing, good show.

[Curufinwe]

It's not hard to understand why people are disappointed by Burnout Crash; they enjoyed the graphical fidelity of the crash mode in Burnout 2, Burnout 3 and Burnout Revenge, while the graphics in Burnout Crash look like an iOS game.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_gItiPei4&feature=related)

[KillingMachine]

That outro music really could have used a sample of Wombat choking on water from a few CAGcasts back thrown into the mix.

[buxton]

Who is the Nazi that edited out all of the funny parts to the outline? The first user generated outline was much better than this one's with all the humor that was put into it. I couldn't even ask a Cag Bag question without it getting deleted.

[FriskyTanuki]

Wombat on Backbreaker:

"It's not a good game."
"It's a really good [$5 to $8] Game"

Make up your mind, Wombat.

The only reason I can see for people hating Burnout Crash before even playing it is the Wind Waker effect, where they can't stand seeing a new art style for a familiar game.

I'm going to take a wild guess that Keiji Inafune leaving Capcom is one of the reasons that they're hesitant to push for more Mega Man since he created the series and was the main guy behind Universe and Legend 3. They should've finished up the paid demo for Mega Man Legends 3, released it on 3DS, then cancelled it so that they could blame the fans and take far less heat than they are now.

I wouldn't exactly compare a puzzle game, Catherine, to Demon's Souls, an action-RPG, in terms of difficulty. The launch Japanese version was supposed to be really hard, but they've since updated it to make it a bit easier. I also have to laugh about calling people that are interested in Catherine nerds but had to talk about Harry Potter, X-Men, Captain America, Robot Chicken Star Wars, Voltron, a space combat sim on the Xbox 360, and the NPDs.

From what I've read, XBL Indie Game developers get a ready-to-distribute executible of their games for the PC that they do what they want with it. It seems like it would've been in their best interest to lock up PC versions for GFW Live instead of letting them run off to Steam or any other competing PC service.

I'm surprised that you guys didn't go off on a GOTY edition for a game that's only been out for a few months and hasn't even been up for any awards yet.

Decent Show.

[x caponed x]

Shipwreck,

After playing through the demo of Catherine I decided to check up online to see the buzz. I've yet to play Demon's Souls, and I've only heard of how hard it is. I can assure you though, this is not nearly as hard.

I was surprised at how many people complained about the difficulty. I'm not sure if these people had played the full Japanese version of the game and therefore have more insight than myself, but I felt that the demo was at the perfect difficulty. In fact, if it was any easier you'd basically just be climbing straight up a tower. There are a couple rough spots along the way, but it's hard to picture how mind numbingly easy the game would be without them.

Anyways, I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on the game. I'm seriously considering grabbing this one at retail price just for the story.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Regarding Marvel vs Capcom 3, I think what Capcom is doing is precisely what the competitive community wants out of it. The people complaining are largely casual fans or they quit playing a long time ago. Selling characters and stages for $5 a pop gets expensive fast, and its a hassle for people providing machines for tournaments to make those characters available. The mechanics and balancing are also getting a massive revamp. 12 characters and the new stages alone are worth $40 using the DLC pricing model.

Serious fans of the game surely got their $60 worth in the months between when the game came out and November when Ultimate comes out.

[Jackovasaurus]

I liked the Catherine demo, and I cannot watch anime. IDK, it struck a cord with me.

EDIT: Great show as always Gents!

[CheapyD]

Regarding Marvel vs Capcom 3, I think what Capcom is doing is precisely what the competitive community wants out of it. The people complaining are largely casual fans or they quit playing a long time ago. Selling characters and stages for $5 a pop gets expensive fast, and its a hassle for people providing machines for tournaments to make those characters available. The mechanics and balancing are also getting a massive revamp. 12 characters and the new stages alone are worth $40 using the DLC pricing model.


That's a really good point. I know someone who throws tourneys and the DLC stuff is always a huge hassle for him.

[serenitygod]

cheapy made me buy it isn't a good name for the segment.
it should be cheapy made me blow a load. If we are having toilet humor do it right guys!

[Cheshire Wolf]

I know last week was user-generated, but for the next show can you guys just spitball and justify new Mortal Kombat characters?

Because clearly the doors have been blowin off. XD

Great Show btw, always something to look forward too.

[rogueweapon]

Cheapy, the whole Global Warming Debate is if man is causing it. No one can deny that the climate is changing, but the Carbon Tax people have been preaching an ever hot climate for over 20 years, and mother nature gave them the middel finger with these crazy winters. Now they have to capitulate by calling it Climate Change. World Climate is always changing, ask the dinosaurs. Refer to Climate Gate to see how the data was manipulated and opposition was silenced
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

[NihongoHiatou]

Using Morph Thing i found out what wombat and shipwrecks child would look like (I used the cartoon avatars for this not real pics)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1594/babyofuser1pic834412483.jpg

[shajek]

Hahaha, Cheapy has poop stories, Shipwreck has puke stories, I wonder how Wombat will top them?

Wombat usually has the food stories. So, his is about what goes in, and Cheapy and Ship have covered both ends of what comes out.

[Curufinwe]

Cheapy, the whole Global Warming Debate is if man is causing it. No one can deny that the climate is changing, but the Carbon Tax people have been preaching an ever hot climate for over 20 years, and mother nature gave them the middel finger with these crazy winters.

Nope.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4436934/Snow-is-consistent-with-global-warming-say-scientists.html

[commandercody83]

The best part of the show was hearing how uncomfortable Shipwreck was when Cheapy or Wombat were making inappropriate comments about his girls basketball coaching...

Love the show!

[RichMeisterMan]

I don't usually listen after you guys sign off and play outro music, but I am glad I stuck around this time. That music with shipwreck edited in was hilarious. "UGH It's Hot!"

[willc23]

Long time listener, infrequent commenter, but this last episode had not one, not two, but three good laughs, nay, guffaws for me. Keep up the good work!

[Ltor]

Am I the only one who noticed how shipwreck pronounced "IOS" store? It's definitely I.O.S. store right? Not I-ahs.

At any rate good show, wish it was longer. But I wish that about a lot of things...

[ProtoEXE88]

Alright, the ending was pretty funny

[shipwreck]

Am I the only one who noticed how shipwreck pronounced "IOS" store? It's definitely I.O.S. store right? Not I-ahs.

At any rate good show, wish it was longer. But I wish that about a lot of things...

I dunno. I don't say out the individual letters in DOS or BIOS either.

[supermidget]

What is the URL for raptor?

[FriskyTanuki]

I dunno. I don't say out the individual letters in DOS or BIOS either.
Do you say Oss for OS? It's the Apple OS for their i devices, so it's pronounced eye-oh-ess like you're tacking the "i" on there.

[shipwreck]

Do you say Oss for OS? It's the Apple OS for their i devices, so it's pronounced eye-oh-ess like you're tacking the "i" on there.

I'm pretty sure I'm just going to pronounce it the easiest way. I do say Oss for OS. Like I said before, I see it the same way as DOS or BIOS. I've grown up saying it that way and cutting a whole syllable out of my day gives me the extra time I need to argue stupid stuff on the Internet.

[RichMeisterMan]

I'm pretty sure I'm just going to pronounce it the easiest way. I do say Oss for OS. Like I said before, I see it the same way as DOS or BIOS. I've grown up saying it that way and cutting a whole syllable out of my day gives me the extra time I need to argue stupid stuff on the Internet.

zing!

lol

[SoxFan13]

I'm tired of the Wombat haters. If you don't think he's funny, I don't think you get the jokes. That So-so Korean joke killed.

[ProtoEXE88]

What is the URL for raptor?

www.raptr.com (http://www.raptr.com)

Really odd spelling, had to put in a little google effort to find it.

I dunno. I don't say out the individual letters in DOS or BIOS either.


And Shipwreck, nobody does for things like that lol. GIF = Giff, GUI = Gooey, etc.

Eye Oh Ess is different though, better than saying iDevice Operating System imo

[FriskyTanuki]

I'm pretty sure I'm just going to pronounce it the easiest way. I do say Oss for OS. Like I said before, I see it the same way as DOS or BIOS. I've grown up saying it that way and cutting a whole syllable out of my day gives me the extra time I need to argue stupid stuff on the Internet.
It's fine if you want to say it that way, though I've never heard anybody pronounce it that way. I guess this will be your Maryo/Mario.

[SuxoR]

Great show, though it did seem like CheapyD rushed through it :/
Really wanted to hear about Catherine T_T

Funny I heard IOS from Shipwreck as well and it kinda threw me off, working in IT I hear this kinda stuff too...usually everyone looks at the person funny and laughs haha no big deal

[HungryButcher]

I'm listening now. It seems like there is a guy holding a gun to Cheapy's head saying "If this show goes over an hour I'll blow your f'ing head up." I know you guys have been doing the podcast for five years now and it might be boring to record, but it takes a lot of enjoyment out of the show, for my anyways, when the hosts are just trying to get through it.

And Wombat's jokes are awesome. I laugh out loud when Cheapy does the bass slide after them.

[omnilaw]

Maybe the reason for the loss in listeners is due to the fact that you've aggressively stopped mentioning Playstation Network or PSN. I've noticed lately that you mention a game like burnout crash is coming to Xbox but not that it's coming to PSN. Also if we were playing a drinking game and had to drink every time one of you said XBLA or Xbox live arcade people even the heaviest drinkers would be drunk well into the beginning of the show. So maybe the Playstation users just figured why am I still listening to these guys? It's obvious that no amount of bashing of Duke Nukem and praising of Child of Eden or Shadows of the damned has made any impact on the sales numbers. Also the lack of mention of Infamous 2 on your show didn't stop it from getting to the number 3 spot on top of the NPDs. Maybe you guys should just say you're a 360 show. You would probably gain more credibility that way instead of poorly feigning interest in other consoles.

Just saying

[shipwreck]

Maybe the reason for the loss in listeners is due to the fact that you've aggressively stopped mentioning Playstation Network or PSN. I've noticed lately that you mention a game like burnout crash is coming to Xbox but not that it's coming to PSN. Also if we were playing a drinking game and had to drink every time one of you said XBLA or Xbox live arcade people even the heaviest drinkers would be drunk well into the beginning of the show. So maybe the Playstation users just figured why am I still listening to these guys? It's obvious that no amount of bashing of Duke Nukem and praising of Child of Eden or Shadows of the damned has made any impact on the sales numbers. Also the lack of mention of Infamous 2 on your show didn't stop it from getting to the number 3 spot on top of the NPDs. Maybe you guys should just say you're a 360 show. You would probably gain more credibility that way instead of poorly feigning interest in other consoles.

Just saying

Okay, PSN this week had Limbo and Dead Block. Two games we've already talked about. It also had Fastdraw Showdown - a Move title from Digital Leisure. What would you like us to care about? We mention stuff like Burnout Crash coming to XBLA because that is where we will play it. Infamous 2 came out during E3. I'd like to play it at some point, but coming out the week we're in LA looking at dozens of other games doesn't exactly move it to the front of the stack.

[chaseamazon]

Who brings more visitors to the website and ultimately more $ into Cheapy's pocket. Just by listening to the podcast I think it has become abundantly clear that Cheapy prefers Shipwreck as not only a friend but also as a podcast host. Does this have to do with how much traffic each of the hosts bring to the website? I think so. Wombat does nothing but show up for the podcast and he does not contribute to the outline (all cheapy) or help in editing (all cheapy). Shipwreck is constantly writing reviews and constantly bringing traffic to the website. Now that you guys are losing listeners of the podcast is Wombat really needed anymore? I do not think so and hopefully Cheapy will realize this as well and either kick him off the cagcast or just stop the cagcast all together.

[omnilaw]

Okay, PSN this week had Limbo and Dead Block. Two games we've already talked about. It also had Fastdraw Showdown - a Move title from Digital Leisure. What would you like us to care about? We mention stuff like Burnout Crash coming to XBLA because that is where we will play it. Infamous 2 came out during E3. I'd like to play it at some point, but coming out the week we're in LA looking at dozens of other games doesn't exactly move it to the front of the stack.

ok so what you're saying is that if you don't own a 360 and don't download anything off XBLA you shouldn't be listening to this show right? I don't have an issue with that at all, if that's how you're selling it. If you're pretending to cover video game news but only where it applies to where you'll be playing it then I'm cool with that as well. I'm not upset, just trying to understand if you're saying you don't plan on covering PSN stuff or if you're saying that you do but only as a side note. I think your listeners might want to know so they can decide if they should unsubscribe or not.

[Kyrox]

www.raptr.com (http://www.raptr.com)

Really odd spelling, had to put in a little google effort to find it.


I remember when I first heard them talking about raptr it took me a good amount of time to find it.

[Wombat]

ok so what you're saying is that if you don't own a 360 and don't download anything off XBLA you shouldn't be listening to this show right? I don't have an issue with that at all, if that's how you're selling it. If you're pretending to cover video game news but only where it applies to where you'll be playing it then I'm cool with that as well. I'm not upset, just trying to understand if you're saying you don't plan on covering PSN stuff or if you're saying that you do but only as a side note. I think your listeners might want to know so they can decide if they should unsubscribe or not.

What we are saying is that we make an entertaining podcast that focuses on games. We don't pretend to cover videogame news. We pretend to cover the things that interest us or what we have played. It is not some conspiracy against any one console. We just don't cover every section of what happened if it doesn't touch us personally. Our listeners know that, well all of them except you.

[omnilaw]

What we are saying is that we make an entertaining podcast that focuses on games. We don't pretend to cover videogame news. We pretend to cover the things that interest us or what we have played. It is not some conspiracy against any one console. We just don't cover every section of what happened if it doesn't touch us personally. Our listeners know that, well all of them except you.

Cool bro I respect that. Thanks

[CheapyD]

Who brings more visitors to the website and ultimately more $ into Cheapy's pocket. Just by listening to the podcast I think it has become abundantly clear that Cheapy prefers Shipwreck as not only a friend but also as a podcast host. Does this have to do with how much traffic each of the hosts bring to the website? I think so. Wombat does nothing but show up for the podcast and he does not contribute to the outline (all cheapy) or help in editing (all cheapy). Shipwreck is constantly writing reviews and constantly bringing traffic to the website. Now that you guys are losing listeners of the podcast is Wombat really needed anymore? I do not think so and hopefully Cheapy will realize this as well and either kick him off the cagcast or just stop the cagcast all together.


Dude nailed it:

http://f.cl.ly/items/3S0G0A1w1U380G3C0a47/photo%20(3).jpeg

[Sinfulfate]

Dude nailed it:

http://f.cl.ly/items/3S0G0A1w1U380G3C0a47/photo%20%283%29.jpeg

Kazoo!




Good podcast but I don't understand all the hate Xmen-Destiny got from you guys. The game doesn't look amazing but you guys made it sound like its as bad as the x-men movie licensed games and it looks much better than them.

[bickle]

I work in a very quiet office, and listen to the cagcast on headphones. At least once in every episode I bust out laughing. But I had to stop listening to the song at the end, it was making me laugh so hard.

[serenitygod]

I thought of another segment name. How about shit or shiat?
That would work perfectly.

[joyce_181502]

For what it's worth, I don't know and have never met Wombat so I can't say I "dislike" him.

However the "technical difficulties" of last week meant that instead of 3 people trying to talk, there were effectively only 2. So the instances of people talking over each other was minimized and yet I feel all 3 people were still able to present their viewpoints == better podcast.

And let's be honest, if Wombat was able to talk during the NASCAR segment, it would be filled with a constant stream of redneck jokes.

[atreyue]

On climate change:
The biggest problem with the whole theory is that there is no real science behind it when you don't accurately know what temperatures were 100, 200, 500 years ago etc. So there's no real way to tell if the current climate is actually aberrant when you look on a larger cycle. As someone mentioned earlier, it's already been global cooling and global warming before climate change was chosen. This just reflects the inaccuracy of scientists' models for predicting climate. And getting all of your news from Bill Maher is just kind of weak. But it's unsurprising, considering Cheapy doesn't even live in the U.S.

On Burnout Crash:
One of the first things Cheapy said about the last Need for Speed was that they basically made it the next Burnout game. So everyone knows we should have had another full burnout game by now. Instead we get what was just a mode of previous burnout games (and it was my favorite mode as well, Shipwreck) released as a standalone with not so hot graphics. The whole reason why they raped burnout to make the new need for speeds is because need for speed lost tons of fans to burnout. It's hard not to feel like they're killing burnout off.

[atreyue]

Good podcast but I don't understand all the hate Xmen-Destiny got from you guys. The game doesn't look amazing but you guys made it sound like its as bad as the x-men movie licensed games and it looks much better than them.

From Joystiq's recent preview:
"Your custom-built hero can play through the RPG-driven side of the game by equipping powers as you would gear."

That's enough to guarantee that the game sucks, for me. Being able to choose your powers at the beginning is one thing. Being able to switch your powers on the fly makes no sense in a universe where you are a mutant and are born with your powers.

[Fergywan]

Cheapy,

This is my first time posting about show feedback. I am a big fan of this site and the podcast definitely makes my work day go by much faster. I know you mentioned there really wasn't any space combat games for this current generation consoles. I am a big fan of flying games, especially space combat going back to X-Wing vs. T-Fighter. My question is have you ever tried Project Sylpheed: Arc of Deception for the Xbox 360?

It has gotten mixed reviews, mostly due to it's steep learning curve, but I think it might be worth a look. It has a typical anime style story, but with varying level design and weapon customization, it's a unique experience. Plus, at my local Gamestop it was selling for $4 and comes with free dlc missions and more from xbox.com.

Not sure how hard it will be to find or if there is any region locks, but might be something you might enjoy like I have numerous times going through. If you do ever pick it up, I suggest taking time getting used to the controls and going through it on easy first. There is definitely enough worth mentioning. Hope this helps.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/806/806711p1.html

This link is for the the ign review. To me, this one of those games you just got to play and decide for yourself.

[Joda84]

No need to bring up political talk like "global warming". Why can't the show stick to what brings us back every week? You know, poop stories and all the Wombat hate?

[XUGrad]

So which Mac Mini did you decide on, Cheapy?

[bgame2]

Given that the DS outsold the 3DS last month (as Wombat noted) and that retailers are running/resorting to running gift card promos in an attempt to move units, I am curious if Shipwreck still thinks the 3DS will be a huge seller this holiday season.



Addition:

Also, considering the attention this is getting on the Deals Forum, can you guys offer your initial thoughts on Best Buy's huge gaming push (most notably Best Buy's Trade In push). In my view, any alternative to Gamestop is a good alternative.

[Sinfulfate]

From Joystiq's recent preview:
"Your custom-built hero can play through the RPG-driven side of the game by equipping powers as you would gear."

That's enough to guarantee that the game sucks, for me. Being able to choose your powers at the beginning is one thing. Being able to switch your powers on the fly makes no sense in a universe where you are a mutant and are born with your powers. It makes complete sense in a video game where the goal is to be fun and allow players to play the game in whatever way they want to.

[atreyue]

It makes complete sense in a video game where the goal is to be fun and allow players to play the game in whatever way they want to.

Then make the game but don't set it in the X-men universe. I don't want to play a game where Batman can fly or turn into animals and I hate vampires that sparkle (the 2nd's not necessarily relevant, but damn it, I do). That kind of stuff can actually make the license work against the game. But if it sounds cool to you, I fully support you playing it. I grew up reading X-Men & other marvel comics as a kid, so getting the mythos right is probably the most important thing for me.