CAGcast #249: Vanilla Pudding and The Nerds [Mobile/Archive]

CheapyD

08-18-2011, 05:01 AM

15060[/IMG-L]Cheapy and Shipwreck visit Seattle and drop by Amazon Games, Skulls of the Shogun, and Homeless People. Wombat visits the 80s and Toy Soldiers: Cold War. We also talk price PS3 drops, Nintendo 3DS vs. Vita and more! Get your questions or topics answered via CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) or Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd).

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Master Troll

08-18-2011, 06:26 AM

You guys have great timing, downloading now.

heftymadmonkey

08-18-2011, 06:55 AM

Yes! Finally a new CAGcast!

jax2001

08-18-2011, 07:04 AM

thank you. now i can postpone listening to the joystiq show.

davidb69

08-18-2011, 08:06 AM

thank you. now i can postpone listening to the joystiq show.

It's been a dead week with no IGN podcasts this week so with 2 today I was happy to listen to the cagcast first.

brentaw

08-18-2011, 08:09 AM

This podcast was very boring when compared to the much superior ESGamer Station.

Sgt Barone

08-18-2011, 08:52 AM

Thank youuuuu!

Cheshire Wolf

08-18-2011, 09:52 AM

YES! It's been way to long.

Thomas96

08-18-2011, 10:09 AM

bout fuckin time! lol

crobledo4116

08-18-2011, 10:39 AM

Awesome! Cant wait to listen :) Thanks guys!

kube00

08-18-2011, 10:51 AM

Great show. That donut with pudding sounds awesome.

Curufinwe

08-18-2011, 11:26 AM

Great to have the CAGcast back.

Is it really that weird that the Vita won't released this year outside of Japan? Even leaving aside the cost and logistics of getting millions of Vita units produced and shipped around the world by November, we just saw what can happen to a handheld that gets released early without killer launch titles.

Cheshire Wolf

08-18-2011, 12:48 PM

What you guys said about second-tier FPS titles was dead on. I haven't tried Bulletstorm yet, but I would consider Borderlands a part of this category and as it's no surprise there is an incredible about of depth in game that came with all the DLC that was available for 19.99. Also speaking of Borderlands. No Borderlands 2?

It's also good to see the Sony hate isn't as transparent. In the recent drought of CAGcast's I listened to previous podcasts and don't understand how you guys don't see yourselves as Haters. Well, not haters I guess just harsh critics, as opposed to xbox where you seem light, or nintendo which is just taken with a pitiful tone. I have a PS3, but I'm not a fan-boy it's just very apparent, and I mean no disrespect, as this is the only podcast I listen to, and often. Critics are meant to be biased that's journalism.

Wombat your hilarious, fuck haters.

Quote of the episode, "I don't know if Mrs. Cheapy is down with the splitscreen." Nice throwback lol.

All in All great episode, can't wait to get back on my weekly CAG grind.

bobthecat23

08-18-2011, 01:57 PM

two weeks without a show and we get a hac 75 minute show?

Curufinwe

08-18-2011, 02:08 PM

I think that Cheapy vastly overestimates how important the Xbox is to Microsoft.

In the last quarter Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division had operating income of $32 million. Meanwhile the three divisions that are actually most important to Microsoft's bottom line (Windows, Server & Business) had combined net operating income of $8.34 billion. Windows 7 and Office 2010 are far more successful products than the 360.

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY11/Q4/default.aspx

81ols

08-18-2011, 03:02 PM

Best quote ever!!! "fuck you baldy"-Wombat

And you 3 :argue:have no excuse not to have ever watched Bleach, especially you CheapyD, seeing that you live in Japan:whee:

H4Y4TO

08-18-2011, 03:31 PM

Great Show!

Glasscocked

08-18-2011, 03:47 PM

louiedog

08-18-2011, 03:54 PM

I just wanted to clarify something that was said. Shipwreck mentioned that using codes for Summer of Arcade games won't get you the free copy of Crimson Alliance. This was true for previous promotions, but not for this one. XBLA Fans (http://www.xblafans.com/summer-of-arcade-crimson-alliance-promo-works-with-codes-too-21233.html) went asking a couple of weeks ago and got the info on it. There was also some discussion between them, XboxSupport, and someone I follow on twitter a few days ago. At first support didn't seem to think codes would work either, but they checked and confirmed that they do indeed work. I'd dig up that tweet, but it was like 5 days ago which means I'd have to dig through like 3,000 @xboxsupport tweets to find it.

Most likely this is because the Microsoft Store was selling codes for SoA games this year. The XBLA Fans info says that codes that went out for review and given away in contests should also work.

Viper139

08-18-2011, 03:57 PM

Yay! new Cagcast! can't wait to listen

Wombat

08-18-2011, 04:25 PM

Hello, is there any way to block these podcast boxes on the front page? I see that you can block a lot of the other advertising and useless junk through customization. I want to see deals and reviews together, just not the useless stuff.

When you say "useless stuff" you mean Shipwreck, right?

skadave

08-18-2011, 04:50 PM

For some reason this podcast is not showing up on my itunes directory. The most current one showing is from July. Does anyone else have this problem?

How can i criticize wombat if i can't download the show? :)

Spartan V07

08-18-2011, 05:26 PM

Yea it's not on itunes yet.

Kyrox

08-18-2011, 05:40 PM

Wombat, you sound like the most tierd person in the world. Did you roll into bed and fall asleep when your pillow hit your head? I feel so bad for you.

CheapyD

08-18-2011, 08:12 PM

Hello, is there any way to block these podcast boxes on the front page? I see that you can block a lot of the other advertising and useless junk through customization. I want to see deals and reviews together, just not the useless stuff.
Click the deals only button on the front page. You won't see reviews, though.

Yea it's not on itunes yet.
Click the subscribe button and you'll get it right away, every week.

Droenixjpn

08-18-2011, 09:11 PM

Glad to see the CagCast is finally here! About to give this a listen when it finishes downloading, should be entertaining and informational like usual!

skadave

08-18-2011, 09:54 PM

I am subscribed. . . but if i am at work and i try to download the show through my iphone it does not show up right way.

DarkMinded

08-18-2011, 10:43 PM

Finally a new CAG Cast!!!

Kezmer

08-19-2011, 12:24 AM

Great show as always guys !! I missed the Cagcast the last couple weeks delivering mail.

MattJ1991

08-19-2011, 12:33 AM

That Tai story when you sprayed him was so cute Cheapy, I even told my mom.

HERETOSTAY

08-19-2011, 12:49 AM

Did you guys hear that the new European PSP has no wifi?

I still need some confirmation from Wombat though.

Cokomon

08-19-2011, 12:59 AM

Nice episode, especially after you guys have been away for so long.

As a Washington resident, it's entertaining to hear you guys talk about your adventures in Seattle. Especially about how many crazy people roam the streets there. I also had to laugh when Wombat asked about Voodoo Donuts, which is a very good place doughnut shop. It's just down in Portland, OR, not Seattle.

Also, I hope Shipwreck enjoys PAX. I know I'm looking forward to it.

GOTA

08-19-2011, 05:56 AM

Love the PS3 pricing discussion. One thing that wasn't brought up is a brand new feature that may be part of the reason for the price drop. For the first time ever football fans can subscribe to the NFL Sunday Ticket without DirecTV. They can do this through their PS3 for the same $340 that DirecTV customers pay.

Since Sony has always tried to market the PS3 as more than just a game machine is it possible they are trying to lower the price to appeal to NFL fans? I can see lots of parents now buying their kids a PS3 because they get the added benefit of watching whatever game they want every Sunday.

canestim

08-19-2011, 08:33 AM

I am subscribed. . . but if i am at work and i try to download the show through my iphone it does not show up right way.

Same here... Bummer

4thHorseman

08-19-2011, 10:23 AM

dubbfoolio

08-19-2011, 10:52 AM

Not showing up on itunes for whatever reason. it is on stitcher though, looking forward to the show!

Edit: Great show. Thanks. Very sweet story about Tai. Looks like he will inherit his dad's tendency for poop mishaps whether he likes it or not.

shipwreck

08-19-2011, 12:03 PM

Shipwreck, I'm disappointed. Why would you dismiss the DS sales as "people buying ones that broke". I would say Apple is more guilty of that than Nintendo. Figure they reiterate the same products year after year and i know good and well people keep buying the new versions. Isn't Cheapy evidence of that enough?

If you want to push aside a product because of repeat people, you should do the same for Apple products too.

I wasn't meaning it in a negative context. I just know a lot of people that have bought replacement DSes. I know I've personally bought 6 various forms of the DS not including the 3DS I own. A number of the DSes being sold now are to repeat customers and that's all good and well. I wasn't pushing aside the DS. It's been incredibly successful. I just don't think the 3DS will be as successful because the market for such devices has shrunk due to smartphones.

4thHorseman

08-19-2011, 01:09 PM

I wasn't meaning it in a negative context. I just know a lot of people that have bought replacement DSes. I know I've personally bought 6 various forms of the DS not including the 3DS I own. A number of the DSes being sold now are to repeat customers and that's all good and well. I wasn't pushing aside the DS. It's been incredibly successful. I just don't think the 3DS will be as successful because the market for such devices has shrunk due to smartphones.

Gotcha. I would like to think people would still want to purchase the DSes and PSPs/Vitas simply because they have games (or should have games) that the Phones and Ipods can't provide as of yet. I would go further and say the biggest obstacle for the 3DS isn't smartphones, but trying to find any motivating factor that distinguishes it enough from the previous DSes. I don't believe that simply because 3D is going to be enough. And once you take that out and bring in a bad game lineup with bad battery life, there is no reason to purchase a 3DS other than to have the new system.

I would say Apple has an advantage there. Even when it's almost a 100% fact that a new phone or ipod will be out the following year, people will buy it regardless. I don't think handheld games systems will have the same luxury.

dcswirl

08-19-2011, 01:26 PM

I am also a subscriber and its not showing up for me either :(

LiK

08-19-2011, 01:43 PM

Feel better soon Ship.

Btw, Bastion and From Dust came out on Steam this week. Worth mentioning for new releases.

caltab

08-19-2011, 03:44 PM

ya, same here...havent been able to download it. In fact from my ipod touch, I am not able to download any episodes at the moment. From my computer, the latest episode showing up is 7/28.

Spartan V07

08-19-2011, 06:20 PM

ya, same here...havent been able to download it. In fact from my ipod touch, I am not able to download any episodes at the moment. From my computer, the latest episode showing up is 7/28.
click subscried to cagcast and it will download automatically.

thorbahn3

08-19-2011, 06:40 PM

For some reason Cheapy's impersonation of his son sounds a lot like Short Round from Temple of Doom.

TLPRIME

08-20-2011, 12:16 AM

ya, same here...havent been able to download it. In fact from my ipod touch, I am not able to download any episodes at the moment. From my computer, the latest episode showing up is 7/28.

Same issue for me. I use my PSP to stream podcasts and the new episode does not show up on the RSS feed for me either. Latest is the 7/28 episode.

friedram

08-20-2011, 09:23 PM

Glad you swung by Seattle. We are the central hub for innovation with Valve, Amazon, Microsoft and so many others. Seattle FTW.

Oh.. and Amazon always charges sales tax to us

Gimgak

08-21-2011, 01:02 AM

WTF is the ESGamer Station shit? Just felt the need to point that out, but great podcast as always and well worth the wait. Apart from Bombcast CAG is the only podcast I listen to regularly, and prefer the cagcast. I just wish it was longer, last year I remember episodes being 120 minutes but I know the time zone differences are a bitch, glad you get any episodes out.

Cao Cao

08-21-2011, 04:17 AM

Random thought: Looking at all of the chaos surrounding the HP Touchpad fire sales, along with stories of employees scooping them up first, reminds me of Wombat's classic "I got the last one yesterday, SUCKA!" story.

radjago

08-21-2011, 04:45 AM

Being CAG's resident Dayton resident, I can assure you that you can go on JFK's Air Force One. The very same one where LBJ was sworn in and carried JFK's casket. You can see it here (http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/tiles/084.html) or on any number of walkthroughs on Youtube. The Concorde is a British commercial jet and wouldn't belong in a US Air Force museum, but there's lots of other cool stuff to see like an SR-71.

Back on topic, the reason I don't use all the other features on CAG is that they don't work any better than the functionality I can get on other sites. I use VGPC.com for pricing, Glyde for selling, GameTZ for trading and so on. The best feature of the site has always been the community and the forums allow it to shine like nowhere else on the site.

Colgol

08-21-2011, 11:11 AM

What's with the short shows...? Hope you will get back to the normal length on the show from before no that we're going into gaming season again! At least use som poop-stories or other fun stuff to keep the show going for an extra 30 minutes!

Thomas96

08-21-2011, 02:44 PM

Smartphones are going to have an effect on portable gaming. Psp offered console games but the lack of a secon analog stick made those " console" ports gimped versions of their former selves. I think the vita may do better than expected because it offers console quality games unhampered by the lack on an analog stick. Smartphone games are great, but I think Thera a market for some full big budget portable games.

bickle

08-21-2011, 09:01 PM

WTF is the ESGamer Station shit?

Just some lamer trying to promote his own podcast, I'm sure.

Kendro

08-21-2011, 09:17 PM

For some reason Cheapy's impersonation of his son sounds a lot like Short Round from Temple of Doom.

Same here. I used to download the CAGcast directly to my iPhone from the iTunes store. Something must be up with the server. I can't access it.

Edit - Nevermind. It works now.

bickle

08-21-2011, 09:18 PM

Loved the comments on Dead Rising - "they just need to suck out that last little bit of Japanese". Such a great idea/game hampered by horrible design choices. The great thing about the game is the variety of implements of destruction, so what do they do? Severely limit the number of items you can carry. And With DR2, they make it worse with combining. Now you can waste inventory slots on things that aren't even useful until you find something else. /sigh

Cbenz35

08-22-2011, 01:54 AM

first time i have listened also first since i joined...loved the podast
very entertaining

jer7583

08-22-2011, 08:13 AM

I wasn't meaning it in a negative context. I just know a lot of people that have bought replacement DSes. I know I've personally bought 6 various forms of the DS not including the 3DS I own. A number of the DSes being sold now are to repeat customers and that's all good and well. I wasn't pushing aside the DS. It's been incredibly successful. I just don't think the 3DS will be as successful because the market for such devices has shrunk due to smartphones.

Hey thanks for answering my question on the CAGcast and it was nice to have some handheld discussion that wasn't all doom and gloom for nintendo and anything that isn't made by apple.

They had their boom period with the DS and 3DS won't do as well because of competing devices but smartphones won't ever truly replace that market or satisfy its demands.

If anything the weeding out of the most casual handheld game buyers will be a good thing for the quality of releases on 3ds/vita. Petz/babiez/hannah montana shit will be much harder to justify at $30-$40, and you'll be more likely to see all that crap get dumped onto the app store.

Kuromimi

08-22-2011, 11:33 AM

Great show guys! I like your guys review of Seattle.

Sinfulfate

08-22-2011, 02:17 PM

Good show, I agree wholeheartedly with Shipwreak's comments about the PS Vita. Sony spent the last few years making the psp smaller and now they made the Vita bigger than the original PSP? What sense does that make? And besides Uncharted, the game lineup mostly consist of games that you can already play on a psp. Sony is already making the same mistakes with the Vita that they did with the PSP =/ Sony already fooled me with the PSP so no way would I spend $250 on a Vita and then $40+ for each game.

Loved the comments on Dead Rising - "they just need to suck out that last little bit of Japanese". Such a great idea/game hampered by horrible design choices. The great thing about the game is the variety of implements of destruction, so what do they do? Severely limit the number of items you can carry. And With DR2, they make it worse with combining. Now you can waste inventory slots on things that aren't even useful until you find something else. /sighWithout a limit on how many items you can hold, the game would fall apart. Since all items are readily available you would just stock up on all the best weapons and food and never die. The limit on inventory space is necessary and adds a strategic element to the game. Also the combo weapons add to this strategy since they're a risk reward sort of thing. Combo weapons offer more benefits than a normal weapon but require you to use up 2 spaces of inventory before they can be made. I don't know about you but that sounds like good game design to me.

I really don't understand why people have such a problem with the Dead Rising series. Maybe because its complex and requires that you actually learn the game to enjoy it unlike most games. The only real problem the game has is the psychopaths. Its clear the game's combat was designed against slow moving zombies so when you go up against the psychopaths who can run, shoot, etc the combat kinda falls apart.

bickle

08-22-2011, 09:15 PM

I really don't understand why people have such a problem with the Dead Rising series. Maybe because its complex and requires that you actually learn the game to enjoy it unlike most games.

And you are one of the few capable of understanding it's greatness? Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back.

Drastically increasing the number of weapons beyond a meager pittance wouldn't destroy the game at all. Well, it might destroy *your* idea of fun. But that's sort of the problem - the devs have a clear idea of their idea of fun, & want us to experience that, even if it is at the expense of gameplay. The designers built a fantastic playground and just running around killing stuff is fun. But it's not how they want a player to have fun. They want to dole it out in small bursts here and there, limiting what you do & putting a timer on it. Virtually every review complains about these constraints for one simple reason - they inhibit the fun.

Sinfulfate

08-22-2011, 11:51 PM

And you are one of the few capable of understanding it's greatness? Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back. Not exactly. I just played the game long enough to understand it. If you try to play Dead Rising like a somewhat open world zombie killing game you will hate it. Your character is to weak and you have to few inventory slots to play it that way at the beginning. You have to earn that by playing through the game first to level your character up and understand the game mechanics. Once you do you can have all the fun you want just killing zombies and the game encourages this with all the zombie genocider achievements.

Drastically increasing the number of weapons beyond a meager pittance wouldn't destroy the game at all. Well, it might destroy *your* idea of fun. But that's sort of the problem - the devs have a clear idea of their idea of fun, & want us to experience that, even if it is at the expense of gameplay. The designers built a fantastic playground and just running around killing stuff is fun. But it's not how they want a player to have fun. They want to dole it out in small bursts here and there, limiting what you do & putting a timer on it. Virtually every review complains about these constraints for one simple reason - they inhibit the fun.You clearly haven't played much Dead Rising. You can hold a max of 12 items which in itself pretty much destroys the game. The developers smartly made it random when you gain an extra inventory slot when you level so by the time you can hold 12 items you have at least already beaten the game once. Its almost an entirely different game once you have hit max level so yeah increasing the inventory anymore would destroy the game.

I understand where your coming from. When I played Dead Rising 1 I absolute hated it for all the reasons you and other people have stated. Then I played Dead Rising Case Zero and Dead Rising 2 and I absolutely loved them. Once you learn Dead Rising and play it by its rules, the game is a blast.