Rewrapping games?

[Diiz]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

[evilmax17]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

www.ebay.com

[Scrubking]

Sell or trade it.

http://cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=18

[Diiz]

But see, the thing is that I just paid $32 for it today. There are "Buy it Now's" on eBay for $18.99. See why I want to see if I can pull off a return here?

[jt2k3]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

Yeah, at my store (KB) we have to open up your new copy if your old one was defective. Take all the shrink wrap, and all the protective tape off, so you can't turn around and exchange it somewhere else.

Not much you can do but Ebay it yourself :|

[Spider-Man]

What game is it

[chosen1s]

But see, the thing is that I just paid $32 for it today. There are "Buy it Now's" on eBay for $18.99. See why I want to see if I can pull off a return here?

You just paid 32 - 19 = $13 to learn some of life's most valuable lessons.

1) Life isn't always fair
2) The value of your integrity.

It sucks, but $13 is a nice price to pay to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and know that your integrity cannot be bought. Even if you don't care if a game has been re-wrapped, being around this place ought to tell you there are a lot of people who do care.

Those who are faithful in the little things will be trusted with much greater things.

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm sure someone on CAG will take it off your hands.

[paz9x]

But see, the thing is that I just paid $32 for it today. There are "Buy it Now's" on eBay for $18.99. See why I want to see if I can pull off a return here?

You just paid 32 - 19 = $13 to learn some of life's most valuable lessons.

1) Life isn't always fair
2) The value of your integrity.

It sucks, but $13 is a nice price to pay to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and know that your integrity cannot be bought. Even if you don't care if a game has been re-wrapped, being around this place ought to tell you there are a lot of people who do care.

Those who are faithful in the little things will be trusted with much greater things.

nice post

[Diiz]

But see, the thing is that I just paid $32 for it today. There are "Buy it Now's" on eBay for $18.99. See why I want to see if I can pull off a return here?

You just paid 32 - 19 = $13 to learn some of life's most valuable lessons.

1) Life isn't always fair
2) The value of your integrity.

It sucks, but $13 is a nice price to pay to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and know that your integrity cannot be bought. Even if you don't care if a game has been re-wrapped, being around this place ought to tell you there are a lot of people who do care.

Those who are faithful in the little things will be trusted with much greater things.

lmao. Ok, that was one of the dumbest things I have read here. You are turning a simple question into a big dramatic ordeal. I haven't even played this cartridge yet so it's not like I opened it up, stuck a screwdriver around in there and now I'm trying to get away with something. Get a clue. I've done several trades here and no one has had any complaints. I don't trade "sealed" anything. If it's sealed, it is sitting on my shelf waiting to be played.

And as far as what game it is...it's Pokemon Ruby.

[JimmieMac]

But see, the thing is that I just paid $32 for it today. There are "Buy it Now's" on eBay for $18.99. See why I want to see if I can pull off a return here?

You just paid 32 - 19 = $13 to learn some of life's most valuable lessons.

1) Life isn't always fair
2) The value of your integrity.

It sucks, but $13 is a nice price to pay to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and know that your integrity cannot be bought. Even if you don't care if a game has been re-wrapped, being around this place ought to tell you there are a lot of people who do care.

Those who are faithful in the little things will be trusted with much greater things.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side"

[CAPTTRIPahh]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it

then you say I haven't even played this cartridge yet " doesnt make much sense?

[repetske]

The first rule of lying is to keep your story straight.

[JimmieMac]

The first rule of lying is to keep your story straight.

True that. You better keep your head in the game or your lying ways are going to get this whole board hot and get us all pinched.

[Diiz]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it

then you say I haven't even played this cartridge yet " doesnt make much sense?

The first rule of lying is to keep your story straight.

True that. You better keep your head in the game or your lying ways are going to get this whole board hot and get us all pinched.


Or maybe you guys need to learn how to read a whole post before jumping on someone. Wow! What a concept! The floor copies aren't played. They are the last copies to be sold if the game is out of stock. All they do is take out all the "guts" of the box and put it in a bag. Notice how I said I haven't played "this cartridge" yet and not just "the game"? Nice try though.

[JimmieMac]

My last statement still holds truth.

[Diiz]

My last statement still holds truth.

No, I'm afraid it doesn't. I do not have "lying ways". It's just apparent that some people on this board are too stupid to read an entire post before making a smartass (and completely inaccurate) comment.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Yeah, didn't you guys read his post? He lost money due to his own stupidity, and then tried to cheat a gamestore to recoup his losses. Why aren't you helping him?!

[Diiz]

Yeah, I'm the only one that has EVER tried to return a game before. Maybe I should just sink to the level of a lot of people on here and just go scam some place like Target instead of trying to return it at the PLACE OF PURCHASE. Congrats to you if you have never returned anything before, but if you don't have an answer to my question, fuck off.

[Mr Unoriginal]

You got an answer, sell it on ebay. You got another answer, sell it on here. You got another answer, trade it. What else do you want?

[Scrubking]

You got an answer, sell it on ebay. You got another answer, sell it on here. You got another answer, trade it. What else do you want?

He wants a mulligan.

[JimmieMac]

You got an answer, sell it on ebay. You got another answer, sell it on here. You got another answer, trade it. What else do you want?

This is why we're giving you a hard time you ingrateful turd.

[Diiz]

The answer to the question posed in the topic title, thus the creation of a topic that poses a specific question. If I ask how to fix my car so I can sell it to my friend in Dallas, I don't want to get answers like "ebay, trade it here, etc". I asked a specific question looking for a specific answer.

[JimmieMac]

I'm going to kick the shit out of you on your Mom's front lawn.

[Diiz]

Alright, I'm off work at 9. Come on over. :roll:

[Scrubking]

Round 1

FIGHT!

[PittsburghAfterDark]

What are the names of those segments they do on TV and radio shows? "Too Stupid to Live"? Dude, you opened the game, its yours. eBay it, trade it in, suck it up. It's one thing to return an unopened and sealed game without a receipt but you opened it. You played it. You own it and it's used. The reason Gamestop, EB and every other company on the Earth stopped taking opened games and selling them as new is because they got sued. Now you want to put them in a position of being sued... right? Because you f'd up.... right?

If you feel the need to put it to the man go take advantage of said game store when they have a buy 2 get 1 free sale. I guarantee you you'll come out better than the $13 you're losing here. You're not being cheap, you're being a thief, there's a difference.

[WhipSmartBanky]

The answer to the question posed in the topic title, thus the creation of a topic that poses a specific question. If I ask how to fix my car so I can sell it to my friend in Dallas, I don't want to get answers like "ebay, trade it here, etc". I asked a specific question looking for a specific answer.

You got several specific answers. You just don't like the ones you're getting. Let us know ones you want to hear, so we can regurgitate them for you and lessen your whining.

[wubb]

Personally I sell all my games for full original MSRP to the tooth fairy after I'm done with them. She doesn't even care if I have no case or instructions.

I love the tooth fairy. Though I do have to pop out a tooth and put it under my pillow to get her to show up. I'll have a full set of dentures by the time I'm married I'm afraid.

[BigBen]

Chalk it up to a lesson learned, you bought it and opened it, the only way you could return it is if you did something dishonest. There is no other answer to your question.

[repetske]

Why is he so angry? and Why did he buy a Pokemon game in the first place?

[Mr Unoriginal]

Why did he buy a Pokemon game in the first place?

Finally, the real issue here.

[secretvampire]

You got several specific answers. You just don't like the ones you're getting.

Word.

[lyric706]

I haven't experienced such judgmental whining and bitching since 90210 ended. The guy just wanted some advice on the best way to get rid of a perfectly good game. Can't you all just leave it at that? I'm a big media collector myself (CDs, DVDs, games) and have MANY TIMES bought something twice. It happens, and just because a guy wants to know his best course of action doesn't mean he's lying, cheating or stealing.

Lay off.

[wubb]

Yeah, that's why his original post is titled 'Rewrapping games?' How could anyone think he had anything other than the purist of intentions? :roll:

And the whole trying to exchange it by fraudulently claiming his copy was faulty thing. Don't see anything at all dishonest with that?

[Storamin]

What you do is give it to your mom and tell her to take it in and that her son/daughter didn't like it because it wasn't what they had expected. I find that a lot of stores will take that back.
Just don't do it too often.

[WhipSmartBanky]

There tends to be a lot of "it's okay to lie or defraud, as long as you only do it a little" on the boards lately. Whassupwitdat?

[Diiz]

It's one thing to return an unopened and sealed game without a receipt but you opened it. You played it.

You're not being cheap, you're being a thief, there's a difference.

You are such a waste of skin. Read the fucking posts before yours before you comment, jackass. It is not used, it has not been played. How am I being a thief? Explain that one to me, because I really can't figure out how I am trying to steal the game here. What a dumbass.

You got several specific answers. You just don't like the ones you're getting. Let us know ones you want to hear, so we can regurgitate them for you and lessen your whining.

I got several specific answers, but not in regards to my question. Is this concept really so hard for you to grasp? It's not even an issue anymore. I didn't realize this was a forum full of saints and virgins who have never tried to bend the rules a tad to fix a mistake.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Don't get testy with me just because you bought a shitty game and can't find a quick way to scam the store into taking it back when it's clearly against their return policy. :roll:

[WeaponX2099]

Just wait around the store and wait til someone comes to buy that game, knock off $5 dollars sell it to them. Call it a day. Nothing illegal or immortal about that.

[magictoilet]

Just wait around the store and wait til someone comes to buy that game, knock off $5 dollars sell it to them. Call it a day. Nothing illegal or immortal about that.

who would want to buy pokemon?

(btw i have both sapphire and ruby, lol being hypocritical)

[WhipSmartBanky]

For $32 no less...geebus. Everyone else got it for $20-24 the day it came out.

[Diiz]

Just wait around the store and wait til someone comes to buy that game, knock off $5 dollars sell it to them. Call it a day. Nothing illegal or immortal about that.

That would be cool if it made me immortal though...Good idea, but it really isn't that big of a deal. I was just asking a question and all of the dicks here just decided to jump on me for it. No big deal.

[CaseyRyback]

Why is everyone hating on pokemon? I have Saffire and have really enjoyed it for the 12 hours or so I have put in(only started playing last week).

[WeaponX2099]

Pokemon makes you immortal. Don't yall konw that!!

[NJYAJ09]

you got pwned my friend

[suffah]

It's one thing to return an unopened and sealed game without a receipt but you opened it. You played it.

You're not being cheap, you're being a thief, there's a difference.

You are such a waste of skin. Read the f*#king posts before yours before you comment, jackass. It is not used, it has not been played. How am I being a thief? Explain that one to me, because I really can't figure out how I am trying to steal the game here. What a dumbass.

You got several specific answers. You just don't like the ones you're getting. Let us know ones you want to hear, so we can regurgitate them for you and lessen your whining.

I got several specific answers, but not in regards to my question. Is this concept really so hard for you to grasp? It's not even an issue anymore. I didn't realize this was a forum full of saints and virgins who have never tried to bend the rules a tad to fix a mistake.

LoL. You OPENED AND PLAYED the original. So what if you scammed the employee into exchanging a new and unplayed copy? You still opened and played the original.

Before you bitch about my reading comprehension please re-read my post. You talked mad shit in this thread when people did offer advice and help. That and the fact that you are crying over less than $15 makes me pray that you are under the age of 15.

[RedvsBlue]

It's not even an issue anymore. I didn't realize this was a forum full of saints and virgins who have never tried to bend the rules a tad to fix a mistake.

Not to get this too heated but I was thinking the same thing myself.
"He who is not without sin should cast the first stone"

[JSweeney]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

Your message board topic is not a specific question, just a general query that covers the overriding tone of your post. You ask a specific question right at the end of your paragraph.

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?
The other message board users proceed to give a myriad of other options to fix your "problem".
Then you post this:

The answer to the question posed in the topic title, thus the creation of a topic that poses a specific question. If I ask how to fix my car so I can sell it to my friend in Dallas, I don't want to get answers like "ebay, trade it here, etc". I asked a specific question looking for a specific answer.

Either you can't express yourself well, or you're throwing a temper tantrum. Your specific question was not about "Rewrapping games". If that was your intent, you really need to work on your clarity, if not, you're just getting pissy and throwing a temper tantrum because people aren't enabling your want to be dishonest.

I got several specific answers, but not in regards to my question.
Actually, they were in direct responce to your question. It's not thier fault that your writing is clear enough to elict the specific answers that you want to a question you never formally introduced.


Is this concept really so hard for you to grasp?
You know, we aren't mind readers. You asked a specific question (and it wasn't about rewrapping games. You got answers to that question. If you wanted to ask for specifics about rewrapping games, you should have formally stated that question instead of the one you did. It's not thier fault if your question was vague enough that it could elict those answers you got.


I didn't realize this was a forum full of saints and virgins who have never tried to bend the rules a tad to fix a mistake.

That's mature. What's next, are you going to take your ball and go home?

That would be cool if it made me immortal though...Good idea, but it really isn't that big of a deal. I was just asking a question and all of the dicks here just decided to jump on me for it. No big deal.

If you want a specific answer, ask a very specific, tightly constrained question. If you wanted information about wrapping games, ask specifically about industrial rewrappers and such.

You asked a very nonspecific question, making it a somewhat of a Pandora's Box, where you weren't ready for, or equipt to deal with, the results it provided


Anyways, People aren't going to be kind to the type of shenanigan you're trying to pull, since just in the recent few months people have posted about scumbags switching a Ninja Gaiden game with an AOL CD and a notepad, and then them being stuck with it and out 50 dollars.

Buying a game and then rewrapping it to return it is only a tiny little step away from a practice like that. If you are dishonest enough to buy it an rewrap it to trade it back in, what's to say you wouldn't do the same thing and just steal the game. You don't have the moral authority to stand on anymore.

[JSweeney]

It's not even an issue anymore. I didn't realize this was a forum full of saints and virgins who have never tried to bend the rules a tad to fix a mistake.

Not to get this too heated but I was thinking the same thing myself.
"He who is not without sin should cast the first stone"

"Am I my brother's keeper?"
You are your brother's keeper. You do have the responsibility to love and care for your fellow man and you will be held accountable for your neglect to do so!" Genesis (ch. IV, v. 9)

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs (ch. XIII, v. 24)

[repetske]

I still can't believe he bought a Pokemon game. Pika!!!!!

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it.

Wait a minute, you're now trying to say you didn't play this game? You're such a liar! My God, take the hit and suck up a $13 loss.

Go ahead and rant, tell me I can't read, I don't know what I'm talking about but you know what? You're making yourself out to be the fool. You've already painted yourself into a corner and look like a baying jackass but if you want to keep calling me things like a "waste of skin" that's fine. I'm not the one posting on a message board about how to exchange a game I purchased when I was too stupid to know it was already in my house. Have a nice one! :P

[Mr_hockey66]

I have seen about three or four answers here allready! If you would stop typing and look! The answer is in front of you grasshopper! With extreme concentration you will find the answer for yourself! You do not need the help of others to make up your mind young padawan! Use The Force! Its the answer you seek!....Or the magic 8 ball...or a fortune cookie....Or ask the Sholong temple master...Or Pray to your GOD! Either way this should be fun!

[wubb]

Just wait around the store and wait til someone comes to buy that game, knock off $5 dollars sell it to them. Call it a day. Nothing illegal or immortal about that.

I was in a GameCrazy the other day when a kid and his Dad dropped a stack of a dozen or so games to trade for credit. I half thought about standing around while the dude told him how much credit he'd give for them and then offer them the same in cash for the ones I'd like.

But I didn't because they were all Gamecube games (and I don't have a Gamecube) and I imagine I would be thrown out pretty fast and told never to come back.

[Mr_hockey66]

nothing wrong with that! Pay a little more then the store. he'll win you win store dosn't care! (most of the time) just go out of store!

[wubb]

nothing wrong with that! Dynasty Warriors 4 ay a little more then the store will he wins you win store dosn't care! (most of the time) just go out of store!

I suppose I could ask the GC employee if he cares if I offer the guy a little more to buy any of his stuff or not. That would probably avoid my being barred from shopping there in the future :lol:

I know if I owned a gameshop I would be royally pissed at anyone pulling this, though.

[Diiz]

Go ahead and rant, tell me I can't read, I don't know what I'm talking about but you know what? You're making yourself out to be the fool.

Did you still not read my first post? You truly are an idiot, and I don't say that about many people. Yes, I bought something that's already in my house. Why don't you go ahead and name off everything in your house off the top of your head you little shit stain? Yes, I got answers to questions, but not to the question I asked in the thread title. What is so hard to understand about this? I don't even care anymore. If you guys are too stupid to comprehend what I am asking and can't even read a whole post before replying, you need not apply. It's pretty sad when I can get a better answer over at GameFAQ's than here.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Swearing makes baby Jesus cry.

I may not be able to tell you every single thing in my house but... I can tell you if I own a game or not :twisted: .

[Spider-Man]

I know Its still not answering your question but if you can still get instore credit for it take it buy something else

[Diiz]

Your message board topic is not a specific question, just a general query that covers the overriding tone of your post. You ask a specific question right at the end of your paragraph...

...since just in the recent few months people have posted about scumbags switching a Ninja Gaiden game with an AOL CD and a notepad, and then them being stuck with it and out 50 dollars.

Buying a game and then rewrapping it to return it is only a tiny little step away from a practice like that. If you are dishonest enough to buy it an rewrap it to trade it back in, what's to say you wouldn't do the same thing and just steal the game. You don't have the moral authority to stand on anymore.

And if you can't figure out the specific question I am asking from the topic title, you need to go back and relearn basic reading and comprehension skills. I have been one of the victims of one of those scams. I bought a copy of Blue Stinger for DC about a month after release at Target, got home, opened it up and it was a PS demo disk. It was incredibly disappointing and a pain in the ass to return. Buying a game and rewrapping it (and an unused copy at that) within hours of buying it is not NEARLY the same as what you are talking about. You really need to get a grip and a clue here. Who's given you this high and mighty divinity to question, and attempt to knock down, my morals?

Swearing makes baby Jesus cry.

I may not be able to tell you every single thing in my house but... I can tell you if I own a game or not :twisted: .


I already explained that there was a copy of this game in my house, and that it wasn't my copy. I work and go to school full time, and my brother is still in grade school. I don't catalogue every single game in his room. If you have a brother, and do catalogue every single thing is his room, get a life.

[Diiz]

I know Its still not answering your question but if you can still get instore credit for it take it buy something else

Even if it's open though? Or are you talking about trade in credit? I remember back when EB used to allow you to return a game (don't shop at Gamestop very much, so idk if they were the same way) but like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, they had to discontinue that policy.

[secretvampire]

It's pretty sad when I can get a better answer over at GameFAQ's than here.

Sounds like a plan, see ya later.

I like how you think its everybody else's fault (like 20-30+ people) that we can't understand what the fuck you are talking about and cursing at us when we won't plan out for you step-by-step how to scam the store back for full credit on your mistake.

[Diiz]

That's because I explained it...plain and simple. Plenty of people didn't even read the entire first post and it snowballed from there. 20-30 people? Try like 10-15, and they are all feeding off eachothers quotes instead of reading the original text. Ever play a game of telephone? Welcome to the message board equivalent.

[Scrubking]

Can a mod close this thread already since we aren't going to help this guy scam some store because of his stupidity?

[Diiz]

Can a mod close this thread already since we aren't going to help this guy scam some store because of his stupidity?

I don't want the help from a bunch of comprehension deprived assholes anyway. Don't act like you know me when you don't have a clue. I am not trying to scam anyone, unless you are saying that anyone that has ever returned a product is a scammer. Next time you shop for clothes, if for some reason you try them on at home and they don't fit right, fuck you, you're stuck with them. Right? Am I one of you guys now? Wow, how cool. 8)

[JimmieMac]

Somebody learned a new word today.

[st0neface]

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

No, there is no way to fix it. Suck it up, take a loss in money, and learn from your mistake not to do this again. Oh, and before you go accusing me, I assure you I can read.

[Diiz]

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

No, there is no way to fix it. Suck it up, take a loss in money, and learn from your mistake not to do this again. Oh, and before you go accusing me, I assure you I can read.

Now why didn't somebody just say that in the first place?

[WhipSmartBanky]

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

No, there is no way to fix it. Suck it up, take a loss in money, and learn from your mistake not to do this again. Oh, and before you go accusing me, I assure you I can read.

Now why didn't somebody just say that in the first place?

This is too easy. I'll let someone else have a shot at it.

[Scrubking]

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

No, there is no way to fix it. Suck it up, take a loss in money, and learn from your mistake not to do this again. Oh, and before you go accusing me, I assure you I can read.

Now why didn't somebody just say that in the first place?

This is too easy. I'll let someone else have a shot at it.

Please go ahead. I insist.

[evilmax17]

Christ, I'll do it.

CEREBELLUM'D!!!!!

[JSweeney]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?

Your message board topic is not a specific question, just a general query that covers the overriding tone of your post. You ask a specific question right at the end of your paragraph.

Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?
The other message board users proceed to give a myriad of other options to fix your "problem".
Then you post this:

The answer to the question posed in the topic title, thus the creation of a topic that poses a specific question. If I ask how to fix my car so I can sell it to my friend in Dallas, I don't want to get answers like "ebay, trade it here, etc". I asked a specific question looking for a specific answer.

Either you can't express yourself well, or you're throwing a temper tantrum. Your specific question was not about "Rewrapping games". If that was your intent, you really need to work on your clarity, if not, you're just getting pissy and throwing a temper tantrum because people aren't enabling your want to be dishonest.

I got several specific answers, but not in regards to my question.
Actually, they were in direct responce to your question. It's not thier fault that your writing is clear enough to elict the specific answers that you want to a question you never formally introduced.


Is this concept really so hard for you to grasp?
You know, we aren't mind readers. You asked a specific question (and it wasn't about rewrapping games. You got answers to that question. If you wanted to ask for specifics about rewrapping games, you should have formally stated that question instead of the one you did. It's not thier fault if your question was vague enough that it could elict those answers you got.

I felt the need to repost this section, since Diiz felt the need to just skip over it the first time.

[Diiz]

Cool. But did I mention I forgot one of these: :roll: ?

[secretvampire]

I think I can say with confidence that everyone reading this thread feels a bit like the chick in your avatar at this point.

[Theenternal]

This is almost as good as the Manimal fights from last week... Keep up the good work!

[Diiz]

I think I can say with confidence that everyone reading this thread feels a bit like the chick in your avatar at this point.

They have prescriptions to counter-balance your estrogen output so you won't feel like a chick. Maybe try some andro before it's banned.


*edit: And I don't think I would even attempt to try and outdo the manimal battle.

[Theenternal]

I think I can say with confidence that everyone reading this thread feels a bit like the chick in your avatar at this point.

They have prescriptions to counter-balance your estrogen output so you won't feel like a chick. Maybe try some andro before it's banned.


*edit: And I don't think I would even attempt to try and outdo the manimal battle.

hahah yea I can agree with that

[JSweeney]

And if you can't figure out the specific question I am asking from the topic title, you need to go back and relearn basic reading and comprehension skills.

Your topic name does not make a specific query that explicitly states what you want to know. This sentence did:"Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it?"
This is the question everyone answered. If they gave you answers you didn't want, it was because YOU asked the wrong question.



I have been one of the victims of one of those scams. I bought a copy of Blue Stinger for DC about a month after release at Target, got home, opened it up and it was a PS demo disk. It was incredibly disappointing and a pain in the ass to return. Buying a game and rewrapping it (and an unused copy at that) within hours of buying it is not NEARLY the same as what you are talking about. You really need to get a grip and a clue here.

You are splitting hairs by saying that. It's the exact same thing, but the degree of loss is higher in one. People go to the store an buy games with the expectation of getting a new game. A resealed game or a something put back in lieu of the are not that. Thusly, people are not getting what they wanted. A new, factory sealed game. You can tell yourself it's different all you want, in both situations the buyer of the returned game doesn't get what they want thanks to the selfishness of another individual.

Who's given you this high and mighty divinity to question, and attempt to knock down, my morals?
Logic. Logic dictates that if someone commits immoral acts, than more likely than not they are immoral.
If someone cares more about a small monetary loss on thier part than the feelings of others, they are likely immoral.

[Diiz]

Endless ramble

My god, how many drawn out posts are you going to continue to make about this? You sound like an old man at a bus stop. The discussion is over.

Lock this thread if you want, I'm over it. I feel the need to get into an internet argument every so often, just didn't expect it with this topic. Oh well, got my quota for the month. Thanks anyway guys.

[vshekar]

You are splitting hairs by saying that. It's the exact same thing, but the degree of loss is higher in one. People go to the store an buy games with the expectation of getting a new game. A resealed game or a something put back in lieu of the are not that. Thusly, people are not getting what they wanted. A new, factory sealed game. You can tell yourself it's different all you want, in both situations the buyer of the returned game doesn't get what they want thanks to the selfishness of another individual.



This brings up an interesting question. If you were 99.99% sure that a person buying the game wouldn't be able to tell that it was a rewrapped game - say, you never touched the instructions and never played the game - would you still feel bad about rewrapping it?

[JSweeney]

Endless ramble
Since all of you are big meanies, I'm gonna take my ball and go home.
Naa Naa! :P


Easier to argue than to admit you're wrong, eh?
Is it really that hard to notice that that " endless ramble" consists cheifly of quotes of your previous posts?

[JSweeney]

You are splitting hairs by saying that. It's the exact same thing, but the degree of loss is higher in one. People go to the store an buy games with the expectation of getting a new game. A resealed game or a something put back in lieu of the are not that. Thusly, people are not getting what they wanted. A new, factory sealed game. You can tell yourself it's different all you want, in both situations the buyer of the returned game doesn't get what they want thanks to the selfishness of another individual.



This brings up an interesting question. If you were 99.99% sure that a person buying the game wouldn't be able to tell that it was a rewrapped game - say, you never touched the instructions and never played the game - would you still feel bad about rewrapping it?

Yes. I don't do things like that. If buy a game and don't want it, I more often than not will just give it to a friend. Trading in games just isn't worth it... and Ebay isn't worth the hassle to me. Anyways, it helps me spread my love of the hobby to others, and gives me more people to play games with.. which is always good. There's a distinct difference between using policies to your advantage and abusing an exploit.

Though it's been stated here many times before, I'll state it again:
Thre is a huge difference between just being cheap, and being greedy.

[Diiz]

Endless ramble
Since all of you are big meanies, I'm gonna take my ball and go home.
Naa Naa! :P


Easier to argue than to admit you're wrong, eh?
Is it really that hard to notice that that " endless ramble" consists cheifly of quotes of your previous posts?

Yeah, and so do most of the endless rambles. So you have the ability to quote my posts spanning 4 pages...wow. The discussion is over, and that is that. It obviously isn't going anywhere. I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine, so why keep it going?

[E-Z-B]

Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about, but I have a stupid problem. I bought a game today and when I got it home I started playing it...about 1 1/2 hours into the game my little brother got home and it turns out, he already has this title; I just didn't know he had it. I went to Gamestop to try and exchange it for a new copy (saying it was faulty) but the guy just pulled out the floor copy and switched the cartridges for me. Is there anything I can do about this or am I stuck? Stupid mistake, I know, but is there any way to fix it

then you say I haven't even played this cartridge yet " doesnt make much sense?

The first rule of lying is to keep your story straight.

True that. You better keep your head in the game or your lying ways are going to get this whole board hot and get us all pinched.


Or maybe you guys need to learn how to read a whole post before jumping on someone. Wow! What a concept! The floor copies aren't played. They are the last copies to be sold if the game is out of stock. All they do is take out all the "guts" of the box and put it in a bag. Notice how I said I haven't played "this cartridge" yet and not just "the game"? Nice try though.

So, Diiz. What you're suggesting is that if I play a game and beat it, I can always return it for the floor copy, then justify it's "new" when I return that copy later for a full refund? So in theory, you would never really have to pay a store for a game ever again? Ohhhhh boy. :roll:

Be carefuly of Karma. The universe strives for balance/equilibrium, like a law of physics or a chemical reaction, and if you're not careful, you'll get burned.

[E-Z-B]

Just wait around the store and wait til someone comes to buy that game, knock off $5 dollars sell it to them. Call it a day. Nothing illegal or immortal about that.

I was in a GameCrazy the other day when a kid and his Dad dropped a stack of a dozen or so games to trade for credit. I half thought about standing around while the dude told him how much credit he'd give for them and then offer them the same in cash for the ones I'd like.

But I didn't because they were all Gamecube games (and I don't have a Gamecube) and I imagine I would be thrown out pretty fast and told never to come back.

I got a story about that - a couple years ago, I was in line to buy something from Gamestop. They guy in front of me was selling a boat load of games to them. I happened to see Zelda's majora's mask in there with the box & instructions. So I offered him $20 before the Gamestop clerk got to that game. The kid realized that was more than he would likely get from Gamestop, so he sold it to me while the clerk was going through the other games. That was fine with the Gamestop clerk because the store didn't technically own it yet. So I bought whatever I got from Gamestop, and he thanked me for my business, and I walked home.

[WeaponX2099]

See that works if the clerks are not a holish.

[JSweeney]

Endless ramble
Since all of you are big meanies, I'm gonna take my ball and go home.
Naa Naa! :P


Easier to argue than to admit you're wrong, eh?
Is it really that hard to notice that that " endless ramble" consists cheifly of quotes of your previous posts?

Yeah, and so do most of the endless rambles. So you have the ability to quote my posts spanning 4 pages...wow. The discussion is over, and that is that. It obviously isn't going anywhere. I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine, so why keep it going?

Because I may change someone elses mind. You're to caught up in your own bias and ego, so more than likely than not, logic, reason and such will not reach you, as you are unwilling to listen. Others, however, who aren't so caught in the sway of thier own emotion may be able to look at it with a clear head and realize that it is a bad idea, and that by practicing it they may evenually be harming themselves. If anything, all of the people coming down on you will serve as a cautionary tale to others who seek to take part in "shady" and possibly illegal practices not to talk about it here.

[JSweeney]

See that works if the clerks are not a holish.

Well, the clerks kind of have to be that way... used games are game stores biggest money maker... so if they want to keep a job, they have to be like that.

[E-Z-B]

I wonder if Diiz and OneWingedAngel are related? Let's ask OneWingedAngel if he owns Pokemon Ruby.

[Diiz]

Because I may change someone elses mind. You're to caught up in your own bias and ego, so more than likely than not, logic, reason and such will not reach you, as you are unwilling to listen. Others, however, who aren't so caught in the sway of thier own emotion may be able to look at it with a clear head and realize that it is a bad idea, and that by practicing it they may evenually be harming themselves. If anything, all of the people coming down on you will serve as a cautionary tale to others who seek to take part in "shady" and possibly illegal practices not to talk about it here.


Then don't direct what you are saying to me by quoting what I said. Make your point without the use of my quotes, then.

And E-Z-B, that's not what I am saying at all. I have NEVER even considered doing this before. Different situations call for different measures. I had bought the game that day, not 2 hours earlier, and only wanted to return it because I came accross another copy when my brother mentioned it. Extremist views are annoying.

[Diiz]

See that works if the clerks are not a holish.

Clerks are aholish if they try to stop you from, in effect, stealing from the company they work for. If doing your job correctly means you are an Ahole, I guess everyone every called an ahole should wear it as a badge of honor!

That's the dumbest statement ever. How is that stealing from the company? There is no contract between the potential seller and the store. If someone makes a better offer, the person trading in their game has all rights to sell elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

I wonder if Diiz and OneWingedAngel are related? Let's ask OneWingedAngel if he owns Pokemon Ruby.

Never heard of him.

[chosen1s]

Sweeney's right. I agree whole-heartedly.

I just wanted to respond to a few comments that were made here:

First, all the comments of "it's not like I..." This is a serious problem. Diiz may never get it, but hopefully someday others will wake up to the reality that wrong is wrong. If someone steals 2 million from a bank that's horrible, but it doesn't make it Ok to steal $10 from your friend next door either. Referring to a greater crime does not justify doing something wrong.

With regards to returning clothes, that was a dumb analogy. The store's return policy is a store's return policy. Of course a person can get home and realize something doesn't fit right and bring it back. So what's the difference between returning a game and returning clothes? The store's policy, not the act. That is their right and you agreed to play by their rules when you bought from them.

I have stirred the pot on some of these posts but I really didn't mean to get anybody riled up on this one. I was being serious when I said this was an opportunity to look at yourself in the mirror and say "my integrity cannot be bought". I am sorry that being defensive is more important to you than admitting that you might have come up with a plan that isn't ethical (because I know this isn't about the money).

My 2 cents.

[JSweeney]

Then don't direct what you are saying to me by quoting what I said. Make your point without the use of my quotes, then.

Your qoutes help establish my point. Your attitudes help reinforce that cautionary tale. It's kind of a "Don't be that guy" thing.

And E-Z-B, that's not what I am saying at all. I have NEVER even considered doing this before. Different situations call for different measures. I had bought the game that day, not 2 hours earlier, and only wanted to return it because I came accross another copy when my brother mentioned it. Extremist views are annoying.

Theft and deception are more so. Whiny children who believe they are entitled to things are as well. What makes you think you are entitled to your money back? Since you are trying to rewrap a game and get all your money back, you must have some sense of entitlement.

[Scrubking]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay16.jpg

[JSweeney]

That's the dumbest statement ever. How is that stealing from the company? There is no contract between the potential seller and the store. If someone makes a better offer, the person trading in their game has all rights to sell elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

Is it you're storefont? Is it your property? What gives you the right, the sense of entitlement, that you are allowed to conduct business with other patrons in thier place of business?

If you do that kind of stuff in a store, you deserve to be kicked out.
These are storefronts, which have huge costs associated with them.
If you want to do that kind of stuff, go to a flea market or a garage sale.
Haggling has no place in modern commercial venues. You don't walk into a fast food restraunt and say "I'll give you 25 cents for a hamburger". You don't go to the mall and tell them you'll pay 5 dollars for a shirt. What makes videogame stores any different?

[Diiz]

Theft and deception are more so. Whiny children who believe they are entitled to things are as well. What makes you think you are entitled to your money back? Since you are trying to rewrap a game and get all your money back, you must have some sense of entitlement.

I already said I was keeping the game like 2 pages back, O' Illustrious One. Like I said, I didn't realize this was a church forum where people have never ever tried to bend the rules. That's fine though, I'll just stick to the trading and post your own deals forums.

And congratulations on your gay use of ebaums scrub. That's original.

Thank you all for all of your enlightenment. Thank god I trudged through all of your posts, for I came out changed for life on the other end. I have seen the error of my ways, all thanks to you!
:rolleyes

[Diiz]

That's the dumbest statement ever. How is that stealing from the company? There is no contract between the potential seller and the store. If someone makes a better offer, the person trading in their game has all rights to sell elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

Is it you're storefont? Is it your property? What gives you the right, the sense of entitlement, that you are allowed to conduct business with other patrons in thier place of business?

If you do that kind of stuff in a store, you deserve to be kicked out.
These are storefronts, which have huge costs associated with them.
If you want to do that kind of stuff, go to a flea market or a garage sale.
Haggling has no place in modern commercial venues. You don't walk into a fast food restraunt and say "I'll give you 25 cents for a hamburger". You don't go to the mall and tell them you'll pay 5 dollars for a shirt. What makes videogame stores any different?

lmao, private parties can haggle all they want. It is not stated that you cannout buy something from someone in a store. Basically, you are saying the minute you step foot into the store all the games you were intending to bring in to trade are now, whether you like it or not, proprty of the store before you even release them. That ideology is absurd, and laughable.

[JSweeney]

Good. Now write on the blackboard 100 times:
" I am a whiny, self absorbed brat with entitlement issues".

I'd suggest you do it quickly before the nuns come in with thier rulers.

[JSweeney]

That's the dumbest statement ever. How is that stealing from the company? There is no contract between the potential seller and the store. If someone makes a better offer, the person trading in their game has all rights to sell elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

Is it you're storefont? Is it your property? What gives you the right, the sense of entitlement, that you are allowed to conduct business with other patrons in thier place of business?

If you do that kind of stuff in a store, you deserve to be kicked out.
These are storefronts, which have huge costs associated with them.
If you want to do that kind of stuff, go to a flea market or a garage sale.
Haggling has no place in modern commercial venues. You don't walk into a fast food restraunt and say "I'll give you 25 cents for a hamburger". You don't go to the mall and tell them you'll pay 5 dollars for a shirt. What makes videogame stores any different?

lmao, private parties can haggle all they want. It is not stated that you cannout buy something from someone in a store. Basically, you are saying the minute you step foot into the store all the games you were intending to bring in to trade are now, whether you like it or not, proprty of the store before you even release them. That ideology is absurd, and laughable.

Private parties can haggle all they want, but not in someone else's place of business, and during the middle of a transaction. If you stoped someone before they went into the store and told them the exact same thing, that would be an entirely different issue. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN A COMPANIES STOREFRONT! They have every right to eject you from thier place of business if you do so. On top of that, I bet Defender has even had order written up so that he could have people that try to pull that garbage at his store cited for trespassing.

[Scrubking]

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
LET THIS STUPID THREAD DIE ALREADY!

[E-Z-B]

That's the dumbest statement ever. How is that stealing from the company? There is no contract between the potential seller and the store. If someone makes a better offer, the person trading in their game has all rights to sell elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

Is it you're storefont? Is it your property? What gives you the right, the sense of entitlement, that you are allowed to conduct business with other patrons in thier place of business?

If you do that kind of stuff in a store, you deserve to be kicked out.
These are storefronts, which have huge costs associated with them.
If you want to do that kind of stuff, go to a flea market or a garage sale.
Haggling has no place in modern commercial venues. You don't walk into a fast food restraunt and say "I'll give you 25 cents for a hamburger". You don't go to the mall and tell them you'll pay 5 dollars for a shirt. What makes videogame stores any different?

lmao, private parties can haggle all they want. It is not stated that you cannout buy something from someone in a store. Basically, you are saying the minute you step foot into the store all the games you were intending to bring in to trade are now, whether you like it or not, proprty of the store before you even release them. That ideology is absurd, and laughable.

Private parties can haggle all they want, but not in someone else's place of business, and during the middle of a transaction. If you stoped someone before they went into the store and told them the exact same thing, that would be an entirely different issue. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN A COMPANIES STOREFRONT! They have every right to eject you from thier place of business if you do so. On top of that, I bet Defender has even had order written up so that he could have people that try to pull that garbage at his store cited for trespassing.

If Gamestop had a problem with me, they could've just said "you can't do that here", and I would've still lived. I didn't really care, and the clerk didn't care, so I gave it a shot. Maybe it's because I was buying something anyway, though...

[E-Z-B]

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
LET THIS STUPID THREAD DIE ALREADY!

Ugh. Scrubking, a "troll" is one that pops up on a discussion board with nothing more to do than to stir up trouble instead of actively participating in a discussion. Sounds a lot like YOU!

No one is forcing you to view this topic. There are thousands of other topics you can chat in.

[Diiz]

YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN A COMPANIES STOREFRONT! They have every right to eject you from thier place of business if you do so.

Actually, you do have rights for that. Whether or not the store also has the right to kick you out is unknown by me. I am not trying to escalate another war here, I just ask for proof of what you are saying. Regardless of the rights held by the store, haggling with someone over something they still own is NOT stealing from the store...not in any way, shape, or form.

[jmcc]

YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN A COMPANIES STOREFRONT! They have every right to eject you from thier place of business if you do so.

Actually, you do have rights for that. Whether or not the store also has the right to kick you out is unknown by me. I am not trying to escalate another war here, I just ask for proof of what you are saying. Regardless of the rights held by the store, haggling with someone over something they still own is NOT stealing from the store...not in any way, shape, or form.

Better yet, why don't YOU find the law that says you're free to do whatever you want on someone else's property? "Rights?" You don't have any rights to do anything in someone else's store. They can kick you out for looking at them funny and you can't do anything about it.

[repetske]

This is my favorite topic ever. Now it's the slam Diiz and E-Z-B thread. Let me guess. Diiz is 13 and E-Z-B is 16. Based on the Diiz's inability to go back and reread his own thread and see how it wasn't asking for any of the information he desired and his overall bratty-ness I would have to say he is in middle school. With E-Z-B, he seems to get out a little bit, but fails to understand the concepts of running a business, property, and the overall market place. I assume he can drive if he likes to hang out at game stores and steal trades from the store. Let the awesome thread continue!

[Diiz]

YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN A COMPANIES STOREFRONT! They have every right to eject you from thier place of business if you do so.

Actually, you do have rights for that. Whether or not the store also has the right to kick you out is unknown by me. I am not trying to escalate another war here, I just ask for proof of what you are saying. Regardless of the rights held by the store, haggling with someone over something they still own is NOT stealing from the store...not in any way, shape, or form.

Better yet, why don't YOU find the law that says you're free to do whatever you want on someone else's property? "Rights?" You don't have any rights to do anything in someone else's store. They can kick you out for looking at them funny and you can't do anything about it.

Did I say you could do whatever you wanted? Don't be a dope. And repetske, once again, if you cannot read a thread title that asks a specific question, maybe you should have your mommy come over to the computer and explain it to you.

[jmcc]

Did I say you could do whatever you wanted? Don't be a dope. And repetske, once again, if you cannot read a thread title that asks a specific question, maybe you should have your mommy come over to the computer and explain it to you.

No, you said that you had some mystical "rights." You don't, outside of the basic civil rights in the constitution. If they let you poach sales from them in the store that's the prerogative of the staff there, but it's not something you're guaranteed.

[Diiz]

Did I say you could do whatever you wanted? Don't be a dope. And repetske, once again, if you cannot read a thread title that asks a specific question, maybe you should have your mommy come over to the computer and explain it to you.

No, you said that you had some mystical "rights." You don't, outside of the basic civil rights in the constitution. If they let you poach sales from them in the store that's the prerogative of the staff there, but it's not something you're guaranteed.

Rights and guarantees are two different things. You have the right to haggle, but at the same time they may have the right to kick you out of the store for doing so. See how this works? Welcome to America.

[repetske]

Okay, I'm going to start a thread called "What's your favorite color?" Then in the thread I'll actually ask if people prefer Coke or Pepsi and then start slamming them if they answer and say they can't read. Moron. And I know you're 13. Momma's boy.

[Diiz]

Okay, I'm going to start a thread called "What's your favorite color?" Then in the thread I'll actually ask if people prefer Coke or Pepsi and then start slamming them if they answer and say they can't read. Moron. And I know you're 13. Momma's boy.

Is it possible that you are really this stupid? That was the worst analogy ever. So you are saying I have to ask the question once in the thread title and again in the first post before people will answer me?

[repetske]

Yes you do. This first part is a subject, as stated in the description. The body is the actual message. I can't believe you've never been able to figure it out. If you had just written in the body, "What do you guys know about rewrapping games?" this argument would have started completely differently. Unfortunately, in the end you're still an idiot.

[E-Z-B]

This is my favorite topic ever. Now it's the slam Diiz and E-Z-B thread. Let me guess. Diiz is 13 and E-Z-B is 16. Based on the Diiz's inability to go back and reread his own thread and see how it wasn't asking for any of the information he desired and his overall bratty-ness I would have to say he is in middle school. With E-Z-B, he seems to get out a little bit, but fails to understand the concepts of running a business, property, and the overall market place. I assume he can drive if he likes to hang out at game stores and steal trades from the store. Let the awesome thread continue!

:shock: Sorry guys, I didn't know this would start another flame war.

[repetske]

Well unless you did the ... thing at the end of the subject. I've never been a big fan of that though.

[jmcc]

Rights and guarantees are two different things. You have the right to haggle, but at the same time they may have the right to kick you out of the store for doing so. See how this works? Welcome to America.

You misunderstand what a right is, I think. You have no "right" to haggle nor buy from other customers while in the store. You can try to and maybe they'll let you do it or maybe they'll ask you to leave, but that's not a right. Put it in another context: if someone came into your house and started rummaging through your refrigerator and eating stuff you could either let them be or kick them out. Do they have a right to be in your house eating your food? No.

[suffah]

Diiz, why do you say in the first post "Yes, a lousy thing to be asking about" if you think everything you are trying to do is so legit. Why would it be lousy if you weren't trying to scam the store?

[JSweeney]

Sec. 17-57. Trespassing.

Definitions. As used in this section, unless the context otherwise requires:

“Premises” means any real estate and all improvements erected thereon.

A person “enters unlawfully” or “remains unlawfully” in or upon premises when the person is not licensed, invited, or otherwise privileged to do so. A person who, regardless of their intent, enters or remains in or upon premises that are at the time open to the public, does so with license and privilege unless the person defies a lawful order not to enter or remain, personally communicated to them by the owner of the premises or some other authorized person. A license or privilege to enter or remain in a building that is only partially open to the public is not a license or privilege to enter or remain in that part of the building that is not open to the public.


It shall be unlawful for any person to remain on the premises of another after being requested to leave by the owner, agent of the owner, tenant or any person in possession or control of the premises, or by returning to the premises within twenty-four (24) hours from the request to leave or within such other period of time as may be specified in the request, without the permission of the owner, agent of the owner, tenant or any person in possession or control of the premises.

Fort Lewis tresspassing statute (http://www.fortlewis.edu/administrative_services/police_parking/mco.asp#anchor15)

There, concisely stated, is every possible right that a store would need to kick you out of thier venue. While this only accounts for this one specific jurisdiction, every other locality in the US will have a similar statute on the books.

Therefore, while they have an explicitly stated right to eject you for any reason they see fit, you have no explicitly stated right that you may barter with other patrons on thier premises. Therefore, since there is no explicitly stated right, and no other right where a reasonable extention could be made, you do not have a right to haggle. Will you always be ejected if you try to? No. Enforcement is left up to the owner, or another person likelywise privilaged (ex. Store manager, cashier, etc.)

There you go. I have legal statues, and I could easily get case law to back up my contention. Where's your proof to the contrary?

[E-Z-B]

Rights and guarantees are two different things. You have the right to haggle, but at the same time they may have the right to kick you out of the store for doing so. See how this works? Welcome to America.

You misunderstand what a right is, I think. You have no "right" to haggle nor buy from other customers while in the store. You can try to and maybe they'll let you do it or maybe they'll ask you to leave, but that's not a right. Put it in another context: if someone came into your house and started rummaging through your refrigerator and eating stuff you could either let them be or kick them out. Do they have a right to be in your house eating your food? No.

Except then that's trespassing, which is against the law. (Not that I'm defending what I did - I just didn't see if from JSweeney's angle).

[JSweeney]

But EZB, by the letter of the law, what you did is trespassing as well, provided that the store owner, or likewise entitled person, gave you due notice to leave. Based on the statutes in most localities, they have every right to do so.

[Diiz]

I didn't say there was a "contrary". I just said that while you can haggle in a store, I wasn't sure of the laws that applied as to whether or not a store could kick you out. If they can kick you out for that, fine, you were right about that, but it is not stealing from the store.

Put it in another context: if someone came into your house and started rummaging through your refrigerator and eating stuff you could either let them be or kick them out. Do they have a right to be in your house eating your food? No.

That is not the same at all for a couple of reasons.

1. Entering someone's home without their permission is, in itself, punishable by law. I am allowed to enter a store without getting in trouble. I am not saying I can't be kicked out of said store, or banned from it, but you cannot get in trouble by entering as long as you are in the appropriate age group (depending on the nature of the store).

2. Eating food in someone else's house without permission (stealing) is completely different than haggling with someone for THEIR property in a store. I am not stealing from the store, first of all, nor am I trying to haggle by using the stores merchandise. I am not going in and saying "I'll trade you that copy of Metal Gear you have there for that copy of Lunar Legend on the shelf over there. Get it yet?

[E-Z-B]

But EZB, by the letter of the law, what you did is trespassing as well, provided that the store owner, or likewise entitled person, gave you due notice to leave. Based on the statutes in most localities, they have every right to do so.

Oh, I'm not arguing with you there. If they told me to leave, and I didn't, I should've been locked up. But in my situation, the clerk didn't care, and he even gave me a big smile and told me to come again.

[JSweeney]

But EZB, by the letter of the law, what you did is trespassing as well, provided that the store owner, or likewise entitled person, gave you due notice to leave. Based on the statutes in most localities, they have every right to do so.

Oh, I'm not arguing with you there. If they told me to leave, and I didn't, I should've been locked up. But in my situation, the clerk didn't care, and he even gave me a big smile and told me to come again.

Yes, that's because that clerk was smart enough to handle the situation diplomatically... why lose a customer over something small. If it became a pattern, however, I'd assume that they'd have no problem ejecting you, and possibly even pressing charges.

Just because they can enforce the statute doesn't mean they have to... and it's not good business to try to chase away customers. Had you come in and then left without buying something, however, I think the situation may have ended differently.

[repetske]

He probably was smiling because he knew he was going home to put you on his people to kill list.

[E-Z-B]

JSweeney - I think in my situation, it wasn't a matter of breaking the law. It was a question of ethics. Was it ethical that I bought one of the 30 games that the guy was going to sell to Gamestop? You're saying "no", but at that time, I didn't see anything wrong with it, although I now see your point of view. In the end, I walked away with an extra game plus the game I bought from Gamestop, the seller walked away with some cash, and the clerk had 29 games to sell plus the cash he got from me for what I bought from Gamestop.

[magilacudy]

You misunderstand what a right is, I think. You have no "right" to haggle nor buy from other customers while in the store. You can try to and maybe they'll let you do it or maybe they'll ask you to leave, but that's not a right. Put it in another context: if someone came into your house and started rummaging through your refrigerator and eating stuff you could either let them be or kick them out. Do they have a right to be in your house eating your food? No.

That reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Apu comes to the Simpsons house and asks to look through their magazines and go through their fridge (implying that they do the same to his Kwik-E-Mart). While that's funny, I don't think its an apt comparison to a place of business.

From my understanding, whoever that was that mentioned buying a game from a person in line was waiting in line himself. Thus he was not there unlawfully, or remaining unlawfully. He was there to conduct business with the store, and it just so happened that opportunity presented itself. If I'm not mistaken, this is America, home of free commerce. While common sense dictates you can't just set up shop inside a store to buy used games off people, that wasn't his intent.

Of course, the store could've kicked him out. But from what the previous arguments state, the store has the right to kick you out for any reason, if you're loitering, taking pictures (my friend was actually kicked out of a store for that), if they don't like the cut of your gib.. etc.

BUT I don't think that's what's in question here. Its whether or not that is considered stealing. Whether he is up to be kicked out is irrelevant; if the manager deems him to be a malcontent has no bearing to whether he is actually causing trouble or stealing. In this particular case, that would be not considered stealing (as the money for that game was never in the store's hands to begin with), loitering or trespassing (as he intended to do business with said company, hence being on line). Coincidentally he was not kicked out, as there was no reason for him to be.

On a side note, I actually sold an Enter the Dragon DVD directly to a Gamestop cashier. He told me it would work out better that way, I would get more than if I sold it to GS, and he'd buy it for like a dollar or two less without having to put it through the system. Isn't that what America was founded on, free commerce?

Everyone should just chill, we're all getting a bit too judgmental here. :?

[Diiz]

*Very well thought out and appreciated post....*

Everyone should just chill, we're all getting a bit too judgmental here. :?

Agreed. I apologize to anyone I have offended throughout the course of this 7 page adventure. I don't know you, you don't know me. I have completed several successful trades here, and would like to continue to do so. I don't want to give myself a bad reputation, but on a side note, I never sell/trade anything that is still factory (or otherwise :P) sealed. I only trade what I have played myself.

Call it a draw. Can we all move on from this now?

[E-Z-B]

Agreed. Signing off.

[jmcc]

Call it a draw. Can we all move on from this now?

No dice. You must perform the ceremonial dance of truce in order to move on: The Truffle Shuffle.

[Kelegacy]

This is what i have done (once). If you dont like the game, you should be able to get your money back. I mean, this IS america isnt it? If you dont like something you should be able to return it, just like every other product people return. Ok, here's what you do. If you have some shipping tape (clear) you can repackage those new PC boxes really easy. They dont come in shrink wrap anymore, just a small box with a piece of tape holding the top together. For GBA games, i wouldnt know. But they DO have shrink wrapping machines. Make friends with someone at a small second hand game store if you have those around. Also, video stores have them for when they sell previously viewed movies. I'm sure other places have them as well, but they do exist. As a last resort, yes Ebay is fine. I dont agree with the other posts on here condemning you for trying to make an exchange. Even store credit would be better than nothing. Especially with cartridges...to my knowledge you cant COPY those. There is no reason why you shouldnt be allowed to return it , in my opinion. Stupid electronics return policies...

[wubb]

^^^

You really should't post tips and tricks to cheat a store by re-wrapping product on this board.

[Gothic Walrus]

This is what i have done (once). If you dont like the game, you should be able to get your money back. I mean, this IS america isnt it? If you dont like something you should be able to return it, just like every other product people return.
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There is no reason why you shouldnt be allowed to return it , in my opinion. Stupid electronics return policies...

Do you live in the same America as I do? Capitalism doesn't let fickle consumers change their mind whenever the bloody hell they feel like it. If you've made a crappy purchasing decision, you're stuck with it unless you choose to resell it yourself.

And return policies weren't created so that people can return things they don't like - they were created so that people can exchange malfunctioning merchandise for something that works.

I haven't read this thread yet, so I don't know if it's been brought up, but return policies for electronics, especially games, are VERY strict because they need to be. The policies are designed to stop people from buying a game, copying it, and returning the original copy.

Some of the people on this site make me sick...

[video_gamer324]

This is what i have done (once). If you dont like the game, you should be able to get your money back. I mean, this IS america isnt it? If you dont like something you should be able to return it, just like every other product people return.
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There is no reason why you shouldnt be allowed to return it , in my opinion. Stupid electronics return policies...

Do you live in the same America as I do? Capitalism doesn't let fickle consumers change their mind whenever the bloody hell they feel like it. If you've made a crappy purchasing decision, you're stuck with it unless you choose to resell it yourself.

And return policies weren't created so that people can return things they don't like - they were created so that people can exchange malfunctioning merchandise for something that works.

I haven't read this thread yet, so I don't know if it's been brought up, but return policies for electronics, especially games, are VERY strict because they need to be. The policies are designed to stop people from buying a game, copying it, and returning the original copy.

Agreed. Video games are different than other items because it's so easy to copy them. And yes, you can copy cartridge games - how do you explain roms? The return policy is intended to prevent copyright infringement, but even if you only made a dumb purchase, a policy is a policy, and you shouldn't get special treatment.

[Kelegacy]

Hey, he asked if it could be done, and i said it could. But i think your idea of Capitalism is ludicrous. We cant change our minds if we dont like a product? Bull. It is our perogative to change our minds and be FICKLE if we so choose because if not companies could be raping us blind. If a game is wholly bad, i say you should be able to take it back. You shouldnt just have to eat your money in return for something less than a pile of garbage. You can return produce/groceries if you are not satisfied with the product; why not entertainment? You can get your money refunded at certain shows if you do not enjoy the production. The customer should always be right, and though i dont promote abusing the gaming industry, if a game is bad you should have the right to bring it back in the store. Defaming companies by rewrapping games is an unfortunate way to get your money back, but it is the only way short of selling it for less than you paid. I personally investigate games by looking up reviews and such before buying a game but some people bypass that and sometimes buy for their children without investigating. Just like if you opened up the gamebox and inside sat a big fat turd, you should be able to return a crappy game. yes it is possible to copy the game perhaps, but if i returned a box of cheerios half eaten to the grocery store and got my money back, couldnt i just have eaten to get full and returned to get my refund, hence getting a free meal? This is a ridiculous comparison but i am just arguing a side where all products should be returnably equal if it is unsatisfactory to the customer.

[JSweeney]

Hey, he asked if it could be done, and i said it could. But i think your idea of Capitalism is ludicrous. We cant change our minds if we dont like a product? Bull. It is our perogative to change our minds and be FICKLE if we so choose because if not companies could be raping us blind.

Right. So lets just start returning cars because we just don't like the paint color. Let's just try to return a house because it's starting to smell funny.
Economic systems don't work like that. If everything were so lax, fickle consumers would be raping the companies blind, and in turn, any formal economic system would lapse and more likely that not anarchy would hold sway.



If a game is wholly bad, i say you should be able to take it back.

That isn't the policy you agree to when you purchase said item. By it's purchase you enter into a contract, and hold a liscense for a specific piece of software. That's the major problem people have... they actually think they are buying a game. They aren't. They are purchasing a single user liscense for a software product, with which they are provided a copy of that game on a specific format. They are constrained to the provisions of said software liscense. This would all be quite clear if people actually bothered to read the fine print in thier instruction manuals.



You shouldnt just have to eat your money in return for something less than a pile of garbage.

You should know better than to buy garbage. Caveat Emptor. Let the Buyer Beware. It's standard practice. Just because you don't like that fact doesn't make it any less true.


You can return produce/groceries if you are not satisfied with the product; why not entertainment?

Entertainment is not a necessity for life. Entertainment doesn't spoil. Entertainment doesn't rot. On top of that, there isn't an expressly written liscensing agreement included in the documentation with food products. There is one with entertainment products, and buy purchasing said product, you are bound to said agreement.

You can get your money refunded at certain shows if you do not enjoy the production.
CAN. You can. There is no entitlement to it. Some venues value customer satisfaction very highly, and are willing to take a small loss to keep a potential customer. Videogame stores don't work on that principle for the most part. New game sales produce very modest profits for stores. If they were willing to take back any game for any reason, they'd realize huge losses very quickly. Why do you think EB suspended that policy. They are business, not your friends. They exist to make money, and sometimes to make a profit you have to take a hard line.
Of course, it's not an entirely new idea that media products can't be return after being opened expect in the case of a defect. They did it for beta tapes. The did it for Video cassetes. The did it for cassette tapes. They've done it for CDs. It's not a new concept to do it for videogames.


The customer should always be right, and though i dont promote abusing the gaming industry, if a game is bad you should have the right to bring it back in the store

The customer is not always right. There is a point where business realities set in, and policies must be in place and enforced. People are inherently selfish, and will push for as much as they can get for as little as they must pay. The trick is balancing a satisfactory level where the customer is satisfied and business realize profits.


. Defaming companies by rewrapping games is an unfortunate way to get your money back, but it is the only way short of selling it for less than you paid.
It's fraud. There is no two ways about it. You are knowingly misrepresenting something, and have taken actions to support that deception.


I personally investigate games by looking up reviews and such before buying a game but some people bypass that and sometimes buy for their children without investigating.

Then they get stuck with crap games. If they get stuck with too many crap games, they stop buying games. If people stop buying, the industry stagnates and dies. That's the way things work.



Just like if you opened up the gamebox and inside sat a big fat turd, you should be able to return a crappy game.

You should know better than to buy a crappy game, if you buy it.. too bad. Caveat Emptor. It isn't a new concept.


yes it is possible to copy the game perhaps, but if i returned a box of cheerios half eaten to the grocery store and got my money back, couldnt i just have eaten to get full and returned to get my refund, hence getting a free meal?

You could do it, but the people that sold it to you would want a reason (spoilage, etc), and on top of that, they would track your returns... if you return to much, they will refuse to take your returns... even for food items.


This is a ridiculous comparison but i am just arguing a side where all products should be returnably equal if it is unsatisfactory to the customer.

Just because you think it would be nice, or the way it should be doesn't mean that that is the way it is. It will never be that way. It's a childish, uniformed view that puts one's own selfish desires over everything else.

[Scrubking]

This thread is still going on?

[Mr. Anderson]

This thread is still going on?

My thoughts exactley.

[Mr_hockey66]

Who here think Diiz is a a asshole! And this thread should be locked Say AYE!


AYE:

Hey Diiz What some french crys and a Wamm-burger! You cry baby, sissy, little girl! Oh I bought a game for kids that my 5 year brother allready had. booo hooo hhoooo! :( He laughed laughed at me booo hooo hoo! :( He called me a little sissy girl cause i couldn't beat the 2nd level squirtle booo hooo hooo! :( I couldn't take this game back and prove my manhood to the store booo hhhoooo ooo :( snif snif.... I couldn't tell the meany store man to take it back booo hooo hooo :( ! And He called me a little sissy girl for crying in the store boooo hooo hhooooo :( ! Sniff Snif...(lip quivering and eyes watering) Im telling my mommey! :-({|=

[Diiz]

Idiocy at its finest

What a dumbass. The discussion is over. Did you even read any of it? Probably not, so shove it plzkthx.

[JSweeney]

Who here think Diiz is a a asshole! And this thread should be locked Say AYE!


AYE:

Hey Diiz What some french crys and a Wamm-burger! You cry baby, sissy, little girl! Oh I bought a game for kids that my 5 year brother allready had. booo hooo hhoooo! :( He laughed laughed at me booo hooo hoo! :( He called me a little sissy girl cause i couldn't beat the 2nd level squirtle booo hooo hooo! :( I couldn't take this game back and prove my manhood to the store booo hhhoooo ooo :( snif snif.... I couldn't tell the meany store man to take it back booo hooo hooo :( ! And He called me a little sissy girl for crying in the store boooo hooo hhooooo :( ! Sniff Snif...(lip quivering and eyes watering) Im telling my mommey! :-({|=

OH Yeah! DEF LEOPARD SUCKS!!
Joe Dirt was a pretty funny movie.