Why do people from the North feel superior to people from the South?

[CaseyRyback]

I read this in another topic on here and had to ask. I deal with assholes from the North all day, and in fact they have thier own little community here in the Triangle (called CARY a.k.a. containment area for re-located yankees).

I just want to know what makes you think you are better than me?



This can get locked if you feel it unnecessary, but I want to know why Quack and alonzo mourning feel they are better than me (since I was born in Texas)

[elprincipe]

Quack's from Virginia (unfortunately), so I don't see why that would be north versus south on that one.

[CaseyRyback]

Quack's from Virginia (unfortunately), so I don't see why that would be north versus south on that one.

I know he is from Virginia, but he was bashing another Southern state, which is why I mentioned his name

I just see the hostility that Northern people have for southern people all the time and have to ask.

[jmcc]

Oh come on. You're doing the same thing. "Northern assholes?" You've let a small group color your view of the whole. It's the same for most people up here. I see every story about some ultra-conservative bullshit trying to be pushed through the government in a southern state and think "why don't the people try to stop that? My state wouldn't stand for that kind of thing. We must just be better than those ignorant pig-f.uckers." Of course my rational mind knows that probably 90% of the people in the south are exactly like me, plus accent, but still, stereotyping is hard to break when A) the media, both news and entertainment, likes to continue subtly re-enforcing it and B) I don't have to debate it against any southerners in person. Do you think anyone running their mouth would be such a dong to their slightee's face?

[CaseyRyback]

Oh come on. You're doing the same thing. "Northern assholes?" You've let a small group color your view of the whole. It's the same for most people up here. I see every story about some ultra-conservative bullshit trying to be pushed through the government in a southern state and think "why don't the people try to stop that? My state wouldn't stand for that kind of thing. We must just be better than those ignorant pig-f.uckers." Of course my rational mind knows that probably 90% of the people in the south are exactly like me, plus accent, but still, stereotyping is hard to break when A) the media, both news and entertainment, likes to continue subtly re-enforcing it and B) I don't have to debate it against any southerners in person. Do you think anyone running their mouth would be such a dong to their slightee's face?

I guess you are right about the stereotypical southener. I am not saying everyone from the North is an asshole ( both my father and mother are from NJ) but it seems like they feel entitled to belittle people from the south.

I guess I am still used to Southern Hospitality and my trip to the airport today fustrated me to all ends

[Ikohn4ever]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

[David85]

We are assholes in the north, and frankly we are god damn proud of it.

[jlarlee]

As a northener living in a southern state i'll add this.

it's not that i hate southerners but things happen differently down here which can be irritating here is a small list of things that bug me

1. Things go slooooooow down here there is no sense of urgency
2. Customer Service is a lost art down here.
3. Education is not funded enough here(I had to pay for the paper my daughter uses in school)

[David85]

3. Education is not funded enough here(I had to pay for the paper my daughter uses in school)


That's not location, that's just buget cuts.

In my last two years of high school we always ran out of paper and teachers would have to buy their own or ask students to bring some in.

Schools are not funded enough anywhere.

[Drocket]

In my last two years of high school we always ran out of paper and teachers would have to buy their own or ask students to bring some in.

Your highschool paid for paper? I've never even heard of that. Here in Ohio, once you hit jr. high, you're responsible for bringing your own paper.The school supplies teacher, desks and books: everything else is up to the student to bring in.

[Drocket]

Why do people from the North feel superior to people from the South?
We live closer to Santa Claus, which means we get all the good presents. The PS2s, the XBoxes, the Nintendo DSs, the cute puppy dogs - all ours. By the time he reaches you guys, all he has left is a bunch of leftover Lite Brites and Easy Bake Ovens that nobody up here wanted. :twisted:

[CaseyRyback]

Why do people from the North feel superior to people from the South?
We live closer to Santa Claus, which means we get all the good presents. The PS2s, the XBoxes, the Nintendo DSs, the cute puppy dogs - all ours. By the time he reaches you guys, all he has left is a bunch of leftover Lite Brites and Easy Bake Ovens that nobody up here wanted. :twisted:

that was great :lol:

[David85]

In my last two years of high school we always ran out of paper and teachers would have to buy their own or ask students to bring some in.

Your highschool paid for paper? I've never even heard of that. Here in Ohio, once you hit jr. high, you're responsible for bringing your own paper.The school supplies teacher, desks and books: everything else is up to the student to bring in.


Well the school would give the paper to the teachers for reports and things, and give us students "math paper" aka used paper from the bathroom, but the teachers are like "fuck this" and gave us the good paper anyways.

They the school would bitch and 10 days later release 150 page booklet to 800 students explaining what the different courses (we didn't have money for anyways) did. A complete waste of a forest.

[elprincipe]

Quack's from Virginia (unfortunately), so I don't see why that would be north versus south on that one.

I know he is from Virginia, but he was bashing another Southern state, which is why I mentioned his name

I just see the hostility that Northern people have for southern people all the time and have to ask.

I don't think he's especially proud of being a Virginian. He also equates the south with conservatism because it is more conservative than the northeast, and he hates conservatives (in case you were blind and couldn't tell).

Overall it's just a stereotype that some northerners have that southerners are slow, stupid and all a bunch of rednecks. They also equate a southern accent with not being as smart.

[elprincipe]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

[David85]

Those damn Southern Pennsylvanian! :)

[evilmax17]

I'll tell you everything that I like about the south: they can cook very well.

That's about it.

What I don't like:
Country music

Bible-thumpers (i can go into more detail on this if anybody calls me out on it)
(combined with)
Evangelicals

General (albeit stereotypical) lack of intelligence (check the various smartest states lists floating around)

Lack of tolerance. Hate crimes? Gay persecution?
(which attributes to)
Red states. And not just (us vs. them), i disagree with the whole modern-day republican rhetoric.

When it really boils down to it, it just seems like the South is holding our progress back. They justify their actions with religion instead of science or common sense. Everything I see regarding the South (minus the food) rubs me the wrong way. The country music, the cowboys, the rodeos, the evangelical christians, the christian rock groups, we'd all be better off without them! But most of our food supply comes from the mid-west, so "you can't fuck with them".

I probably could've articulated that alot better (to make it sound less stereotypical), but meh. I will say however, that I have never been to the south, and I base my opinions on what I've seen/heard from the media. In all fairness, I have a bunch of friends that attend college with me in MA that are from the south, and most of them don't hold up to the stereotypes that I mentioned. But, when somebody asks you what you don't like about the "south", I assume that's what they're referring to.

[jlarlee]

The food is good down here

[CaseyRyback]

I'll tell you everything that I like about the south: they can cook very well.

That's about it.

What I don't like:
Country music

Bible-thumpers (i can go into more detail on this if anybody calls me out on it)
(combined with)
Evangelicals

General (albeit stereotypical) lack of intelligence (check the various smartest states lists floating around)

Lack of tolerance. Hate crimes? Gay persecution?
(which attributes to)
Red states. And not just (us vs. them), i disagree with the whole modern-day republican rhetoric.

When it really boils down to it, it just seems like the South is holding our progress back. They justify their actions with religion instead of science or common sense. Everything I see regarding the South (minus the food) rubs me the wrong way. The country music, the cowboys, the rodeos, the evangelical christians, the christian rock groups, we'd all be better off without them! But most of our food supply comes from the mid-west, so "you can't shaq-fu with them".

I probably could've articulated that alot better (to make it sound less stereotypical), but meh. I will say however, that I have never been to the south, and I base my opinions on what I've seen/heard from the media. In all fairness, I have a bunch of friends that attend college with me in MA that are from the south, and most of them don't hold up to the stereotypes that I mentioned. But, when somebody asks you what you don't like about the "south", I assume that's what they're referring to.


you show exactly what elprinciple was describing. Rarely do you see a cowboy (and if you do, it is in the rural south more than likely). Country music is prominent, but that does not mean that you cannot find a decent music station. I for one have never had religion shoved down my throat living in the south, never once been forced to deal with creationism as a fact (we read about it in English, but that was about it).

Most people see the South as backwards, but calling one geographic area is backwards is kind of stupid. It is just depending on where you go (much like the North)


Do not believe everything you see on TV as they only try and show one side of an issue.

[Firebrand]

By and large. There are generalizations and then there are truths that hurt.

[alonzomourning23]

I don't see how I've looked down on southerners, I've made jokes and comments about texas, mainly because of bush and some laws that have recently existed, like the only recently overturned sodomy laws in texas by the supreme court (to someone like me, seeing one state legalize gay sex and seeing my state legalize gay marriage within a few years, says something about tolerance) but I don't see where I ever said anything about the people. I make similar comments about alberta (very conservative canadian province) as I do about texas, they're based on policies. As for the governments and legislators, I think the north is more progressive and more tolerant (in terms of laws), but I don't know where I ever said the people were better or worse, or even suggested that. It's politics, not people.

[Ikohn4ever]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

living in Pa u have to realize besides Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a lil bit Harrisburg and some of their outlining areas its hicksville here. It might as well be the south. Stay on the turnpike, thats all I will say about that

[Xevious]

I dont look down on Southerners but I tend to dislike Bible-Thumpers and Racists (the two stereotypes of the South).

Other than that, I like Southern girls. Especially those accents...

[elprincipe]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

living in Pa u have to realize besides Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a lil bit Harrisburg and some of their outlining areas its hicksville here. It might as well be the south. Stay on the turnpike, thats all I will say about that

But PA isn't the south, which is my point. I think there was also a post on this board about some county in Wisconsin, undoubtedly to you another "hicksville" southern state in the north, teaching creationism as well.

[Heyricochet]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

[Ikohn4ever]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

living in Pa u have to realize besides Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a lil bit Harrisburg and some of their outlining areas its hicksville here. It might as well be the south. Stay on the turnpike, thats all I will say about that

But PA isn't the south, which is my point. I think there was also a post on this board about some county in Wisconsin, undoubtedly to you another "hicksville" southern state in the north, teaching creationism as well.

one isolated incident and you are trying to make it sound like I think that PA and Wisconsin are northern south states. I am talking about states as a whole, an average of the state. You take one incident and blow it up, very scientific. Do yourself a favor and look up the word outlier. Just because PA has a lot of hicks in it does not make southern in my opinion. Just like a bunch of people on CAG who are asses, dont make the whole community an ass.

[CTLesq]

Because we are.

[camoor]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

[jmcc]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

living in Pa u have to realize besides Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a lil bit Harrisburg and some of their outlining areas its hicksville here. It might as well be the south. Stay on the turnpike, thats all I will say about that

But PA isn't the south, which is my point. I think there was also a post on this board about some county in Wisconsin, undoubtedly to you another "hicksville" southern state in the north, teaching creationism as well.

one isolated incident and you are trying to make it sound like I think that PA and Wisconsin are northern south states. I am talking about states as a whole, an average of the state. You take one incident and blow it up, very scientific. Do yourself a favor and look up the word outlier. Just because PA has a lot of hicks in it does not make southern in my opinion. Just like a bunch of people on CAG who are asses, dont make the whole community an ass.

Ironically, our northern portions IS pretty stereotypically southern.

[JSweeney]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

[camoor]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

There's a huge difference between a fundamentalist and a Catholic. Just ask any evangelist in the midwest. Or any old Irishman who ever worked back in the "NINA" times.

[elprincipe]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile

Creationism in such southern bastions as Pennsylvania (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42141)?

living in Pa u have to realize besides Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a lil bit Harrisburg and some of their outlining areas its hicksville here. It might as well be the south. Stay on the turnpike, thats all I will say about that

But PA isn't the south, which is my point. I think there was also a post on this board about some county in Wisconsin, undoubtedly to you another "hicksville" southern state in the north, teaching creationism as well.

one isolated incident and you are trying to make it sound like I think that PA and Wisconsin are northern south states. I am talking about states as a whole, an average of the state. You take one incident and blow it up, very scientific. Do yourself a favor and look up the word outlier. Just because PA has a lot of hicks in it does not make southern in my opinion. Just like a bunch of people on CAG who are asses, dont make the whole community an ass.

You obviously don't realize that the creation science in schools thing has been going on all over the country, not just in the south. There was a big controversy in Kansas a few years back about banning the teaching of evolution in another example. You talk as if you know everything about the south and their attitudes, yet your opinions are obviously taken directly from media stereotypes.

[elprincipe]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

There's a huge difference between a fundamentalist and a Catholic. Just ask any evangelist in the midwest. Or any old Irishman who ever worked back in the "NINA" times.

So you, being an atheist, would prefer an atheist in office and criticize anyone who is deeply religious as off their rocker. How tolerant.

[camoor]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

There's a huge difference between a fundamentalist and a Catholic. Just ask any evangelist in the midwest. Or any old Irishman who ever worked back in the "NINA" times.

So you, being an atheist, would prefer an atheist in office and criticize anyone who is deeply religious as off their rocker. How tolerant.

I prefer the best man for the job in the office. I want someone who is going to be fair and impartial, whether he's white/black/asian-american/christian/muslim/hindu/confuscianist/whatever. I deeply criticize anyone who tries to rule a democracy using their god's law instead of the country's law.

I never said I was an athiest, you're assuming that. Frankly, you don't know what my religious status is.

[elprincipe]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

There's a huge difference between a fundamentalist and a Catholic. Just ask any evangelist in the midwest. Or any old Irishman who ever worked back in the "NINA" times.

So you, being an atheist, would prefer an atheist in office and criticize anyone who is deeply religious as off their rocker. How tolerant.

I prefer the best man for the job in the office. I want someone who is going to be fair and impartial, whether he's white/black/asian-american/christian/muslim/hindu/confuscianist/whatever. I deeply criticize anyone who tries to rule a democracy using their god's law instead of the country's law.

I think the problem is you feel people can separate their religious feelings from the rest of their "secular" lives. Let me be the one to tell you that they are one and the same. If someone is religious, like Bush for example, religion is going to affect everything in their life. It's been that way for every president and is that way for the majority of Americans.

I never said I was an athiest, you're assuming that. Frankly, you don't know what my religious status is.

I apologize for that, I thought I recalled seeing you state you were atheist. There are many on this board compared to the general population! May I ask the meaning of your avatar, then?

[Drocket]

I think the problem is you feel people can separate their religious feelings from the rest of their "secular" lives.
Rational people can. Rational people can say, "This is how I feel about the subject, but this is what the law says, so that's what I'll do because my job is to enforce the law, not to abuse my power based on my own personal feelings." Its only utter idiots who have difficulty with that and think its perfectly OK to put the 10 commandments outside a courthouse or other similar idiocy.

Sadly, there are very few rational people in the world.

[camoor]

I think the problem is you feel people can separate their religious feelings from the rest of their "secular" lives. Let me be the one to tell you that they are one and the same. If someone is religious, like Bush for example, religion is going to affect everything in their life. It's been that way for every president and is that way for the majority of Americans.



The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.
-- James Madison, letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803



Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
--Thomas Jefferson, February 10, 1814


The founders were educated men who knew what happens when power is focused in the hands of men who use the tenets of a particular religion, instead of reason and compassion, to make political or legal decisions. They set out in a bold experiment to change that in this new world, turning their backs on the feudal monarchies and papacies propped up by religion in the old world. Sadly, religious tenets are starting to creep back into the brilliant system of government that these men designed (some are even trying to formalize their religious ideas in the American anthems and Constitution - think of the 1954 addition of "under god" to the pledge of allegiance or the prohibition of gay marriage that some want to tack on the back page of the constitution)

I never said I was an athiest, you're assuming that. Frankly, you don't know what my religious status is.


I apologize for that, I thought I recalled seeing you state you were atheist. There are many on this board compared to the general population! May I ask the meaning of your avatar, then?

'Cause I've got Pac-Man Fever, Pac-Man Fever. <Air Guitar Solo>

[cthcky33]

im from GA and currently living in Rhode Island, and a lot of the people up here are evil, and a lot cant drive for crap. But other than the accents, and the lack of waffle house and sweet tea, its not a whole lot different. But they all definately assume that ur a redneck if your from the south. Its funny because they try to make it sound like im the one from some wierd small town play, and im just like "you do realize that the state you live in is the size of the county i am from right?"

[cthcky33]

i just realized the last post was a day and a half ago.... o well, free bump i guess

[Drocket]

i just realized the last post was a day and a half ago.... o well, free bump i guess
Actually, 7 hours. You can't figure out how to subtract one timestamp from another and you want to argue about the intelligence of southerners? :P

[David85]

We drive bad because we have places to go. My aunt lives in GA and there is NOTHING there for miles and miles, so of course you aren't in a rush.

My boyfriend almost got hit but this old asshole lady last week, she was from Florida, and she flicked him off. Very dumb move, he parked his car on the bridge, got out, banged on her window and started screaming at her.

Stupid Floridain bitch.

[JSweeney]

Sounds like maybe in this topic "south" should be replaced with "rural"

Honestly, I just think its funny that people in rural areas think the president did a good job with 9/11 and terrorism while people in the cities that really have to worry about it think he sucks.

Do they really think he did a great job? Or do they just feel better knowing a born-again christian is Our Leader.

Would that really be that big a deal?
I mean, Kerry was openly Catholic...
he differed from the Church on a few issues, but it wasn't like he was part of some obscure sect or cult, or an athiest or agnostic.

There's a huge difference between a fundamentalist and a Catholic. Just ask any evangelist in the midwest. Or any old Irishman who ever worked back in the "NINA" times.

I guess so. I'm actually surprised that fundamentalists are that key to swinging votes. Of course, I guess it would make sense... Catholics tend to defer to the Pope or say the respectfully disagree with the Church, and Evangelists make themselves a law beholden only to themselves.


I quite well aware of the plight of the Irish. Having an Irish Surname tends to lead to that.

[bmulligan]

Jesus Casey, why spend so much time caring what other people think about you, especially if they're assholes.

[JSweeney]

I apologize for that, I thought I recalled seeing you state you were atheist. There are many on this board compared to the general population! May I ask the meaning of your avatar, then?

'Cause I've got Pac-Man Fever, Pac-Man Fever. <Air Guitar Solo>

Actually, after having read up the history of the symbology of the "Jesus fish", I find the avatar even funnier. In it's now extant use, it was the symbol of an earth goddess, and the symbol was meant to be an outline of her vulva.

That makes that avatar at least 10x more funny.

[Drocket]

Actually, after having read up the history of the symbology of the "Jesus fish", I find the avatar even funnier. In it's now extant use, it was the symbol of an earth goddess, and the symbol was meant to be an outline of her vulva.

That's one of the things I love about the Christian religion: 90% of their religious symbols are outright stolen from other religious systems. Meanwhile, whenever anyone uses 'Xmas', a religious abreviation they themselves created, they scream bloody hell about people trying to remove Christ from Christmas. (for those who don't know, 'X' is the 'official' abbreviation for Christ/Jesus, representing the cross, in use for hundreds of years. Its especially fun when Catholics get upset about it because the symbol is still in wide use in Vatican writings.)

[JSweeney]

Actually, after having read up the history of the symbology of the "Jesus fish", I find the avatar even funnier. In it's now extant use, it was the symbol of an earth goddess, and the symbol was meant to be an outline of her vulva.

That's one of the things I love about the Christian religion: 90% of their religious symbols are outright stolen from other religious systems. Meanwhile, whenever anyone uses 'Xmas', a religious abreviation they themselves created, they scream bloody hell about people trying to remove Christ from Christmas. (for those who don't know, 'X' is the 'official' abbreviation for Christ/Jesus, representing the cross, in use for hundreds of years. Its especially fun when Catholics get upset about it because the symbol is still in wide use in Vatican writings.)

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation. That discussion has already been had on this board though, and doesn't need to be revisited.

[Drocket]

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation.
It was never intended to. It was simply used by people who didn't have enough room (in an ad or banner) to spell out Christmas, so they simply put the completely acceptible abbreviation Xmas there instead. Then, the uneducated, unwashed masses rose up and started screaming about everyone being out to get them.

[gaelan]

It's kinda like Bocephus said in "Dixie on My Mind".

I've visited the North, big cities in particular, but I prefer to stay South of the Mason Dixon and East of the MS River.

I won't go into the differences between the North and South, but I will say that I prefer the South. The biggest difference other than accent is the women. Southern college campuses have a much higher concentration of good looking girls. The Western US has its fair share, but I prefer Southern Belles anyday of the week.

[JSweeney]

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation.
It was never intended to. It was simply used by people who didn't have enough room (in an ad or banner) to spell out Christmas, so they simply put the completely acceptible abbreviation Xmas there instead. Then, the uneducated, unwashed masses rose up and started screaming about everyone being out to get them.

While that was never the intent, that is the current practical use of the phrase. After recieving pushback on it, companies wide stopped the use (Why wouldn't they... they'd have to lose business over so trival a thing)

For good or for ill, the usage of Xmas has a negative connotion, and most sources (dictionaries, etc) will make mention of that.

Of course, this has all been gone over in depth in another topic.

[jmcc]

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation.
It was never intended to. It was simply used by people who didn't have enough room (in an ad or banner) to spell out Christmas, so they simply put the completely acceptible abbreviation Xmas there instead. Then, the uneducated, unwashed masses rose up and started screaming about everyone being out to get them.

While that was never the intent, that is the current practical use of the phrase. After recieving pushback on it, companies wide stopped the use (Why wouldn't they... they'd have to lose business over so trival a thing)

For good or for ill, the usage of Xmas has a negative connotion, and most sources (dictionaries, etc) will make mention of that.

Of course, this has all been gone over in depth in another topic.

Xmas has a negative connotation? Since when? Wikipedia, what say you? "That's tosser talk, if you ask me!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas) Straight Dope? You have an opinion on that? "I concur with the right honorable Wiki, sirrah." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mxmas.html)

[elprincipe]

I think the problem is you feel people can separate their religious feelings from the rest of their "secular" lives.
Rational people can. Rational people can say, "This is how I feel about the subject, but this is what the law says, so that's what I'll do because my job is to enforce the law, not to abuse my power based on my own personal feelings." Its only utter idiots who have difficulty with that and think its perfectly OK to put the 10 commandments outside a courthouse or other similar idiocy.

Sadly, there are very few rational people in the world.

It has nothing to do with respecting the law or not respecting the law. It's about how you conduct yourself personally and your own morality (or lack thereof).

[camoor]

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation.
It was never intended to. It was simply used by people who didn't have enough room (in an ad or banner) to spell out Christmas, so they simply put the completely acceptible abbreviation Xmas there instead. Then, the uneducated, unwashed masses rose up and started screaming about everyone being out to get them.

While that was never the intent, that is the current practical use of the phrase. After recieving pushback on it, companies wide stopped the use (Why wouldn't they... they'd have to lose business over so trival a thing)

For good or for ill, the usage of Xmas has a negative connotion, and most sources (dictionaries, etc) will make mention of that.

Of course, this has all been gone over in depth in another topic.

Well, since "t" looks more like the cross then "x", Bush has just proposed naming it texmas

[JSweeney]

Xmas has a negative connotation? Since when? Wikipedia, what say you? "That's tosser talk, if you ask me!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas)

Bother to read that before you posted it?

4th paragraph, first line.
The abbreviation is widely but not universally accepted; some view it as demeaning to Christ



Straight Dope? You have an opinion on that?
"I concur with the right honorable Wiki, sirrah." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mxmas.html)

Unfortunately, that talks about the origin of the usage, and not the current perception, making it out of scope...Not to mention that I've not heard any invoking the Greek Character "Chi" but rather the English Character "X".

Like I said, this discussion was beaten to death in another topic.
This is well trod ground by now.

[JSweeney]

The problem with that line of thought is that the Xmas abrievation has a different connotation.
It was never intended to. It was simply used by people who didn't have enough room (in an ad or banner) to spell out Christmas, so they simply put the completely acceptible abbreviation Xmas there instead. Then, the uneducated, unwashed masses rose up and started screaming about everyone being out to get them.

While that was never the intent, that is the current practical use of the phrase. After recieving pushback on it, companies wide stopped the use (Why wouldn't they... they'd have to lose business over so trival a thing)

For good or for ill, the usage of Xmas has a negative connotion, and most sources (dictionaries, etc) will make mention of that.

Of course, this has all been gone over in depth in another topic.

Well, since "t" looks more like the cross then "x", Bush has just proposed naming it texmas

Would we all get cowboy hats?

[Quackzilla]

It is because I live in the South, and I see very bad things. I have been to West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, and several other southern states.

I have seen so much bigotry, racism, and ignorance it makes me incredibly sad.
I have seen KKK members in full costume.

People aren't supposed to live like that, and children shouldn't have to grow up in an environment of hate.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

[jmcc]

Xmas has a negative connotation? Since when? Wikipedia, what say you? "That's tosser talk, if you ask me!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas)

Bother to read that before you posted it?

4th paragraph, first line.
The abbreviation is widely but not universally accepted; some view it as demeaning to Christ



Straight Dope? You have an opinion on that?
"I concur with the right honorable Wiki, sirrah." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mxmas.html)

Unfortunately, that talks about the origin of the usage, and not the current perception, making it out of scope...Not to mention that I've not heard any invoking the Greek Character "Chi" but rather the English Character "X".

Like I said, this discussion was beaten to death in another topic.
This is well trod ground by now.

Here's a hint: look up what the Greek character for chi looks like and get back to me.

The point is, it's been used for a long time, and by early Christians themselves. People getting their panties in a knot about it now doesn't make it have a sinister history like you seem to have implied numerous times nor does it actually make it about consumerism over the religious aspects of the holiday. It may be well trod ground, but I don't recall the correct verdict being reached. There's nothing wicked about using Xmas, nor has there ever been and all the shrill fundie whining in the world today doesn't change that.

[gaelan]

It is because I live in the South, and I see very bad things. I have been to West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, and several other southern states.

I have seen so much bigotry, racism, and ignorance it makes me incredibly sad.
I have seen KKK members in full costume.

People aren't supposed to live like that, and children shouldn't have to grow up in an environment of hate.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

I've seen the exact same thing in the Northern States that I've lived in...

[jmcc]

It is because I live in the South, and I see very bad things. I have been to West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, and several other southern states.

I have seen so much bigotry, racism, and ignorance it makes me incredibly sad.
I have seen KKK members in full costume.

People aren't supposed to live like that, and children shouldn't have to grow up in an environment of hate.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

Define very large minority and cite statisitics, please, because you're making an awful insulting insinuation about the south there.

edit: spelling.

[Quackzilla]

It is because I live in the South, and I see very bad things. I have been to West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, and several other southern states.

I have seen so much bigotry, racism, and ignorance it makes me incredibly sad.
I have seen KKK members in full costume.

People aren't supposed to live like that, and children shouldn't have to grow up in an environment of hate.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

Define very large minority and cite statisitics, please, because you're making an awful insulting insinuation about the south there.

edit: spelling.

I don't have a statistic.

I was describing my personal experiences and never gave a statistic on the amount of people that are like that, I just called them a minority.

[gaelan]

You are wrong if you think the South has a monopoly on racism, bigotry and all of those other awful things. These types of mindsets and behaviors are found in societies around the world and through time.

[Quackzilla]

You are wrong if you think the South has a monopoly on racism, bigotry and all of those other awful things. These types of mindsets and behaviors are found in societies around the world and through time.

I didn't say that nor did I imply that.

[gaelan]

You are wrong if you think the South has a monopoly on racism, bigotry and all of those other awful things. These types of mindsets and behaviors are found in societies around the world and through time.

I didn't say that nor did I imply that.

Then I guess you are not wrong, hence the "if" in my post.

[jmcc]

It is because I live in the South, and I see very bad things. I have been to West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, and several other southern states.

I have seen so much bigotry, racism, and ignorance it makes me incredibly sad.
I have seen KKK members in full costume.

People aren't supposed to live like that, and children shouldn't have to grow up in an environment of hate.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

Define very large minority and cite statisitics, please, because you're making an awful insulting insinuation about the south there.

edit: spelling.

I don't have a statistic.

I was describing my personal experiences and never gave a statistic on the amount of people that are like that, I just called them a minority.

I know that not all of the southern US is like that, it is a minority. But it is a very large minority.

So your personal experience qualifies you to make that statement? So if I knew a black guy who stole a candy bar I could reasonably make the statement that a very large minority of all black people are thieves?

[gaelan]

So your personal experience qualifies you to make that statement? So if I knew a black guy who stole a candy bar I could reasonably make the statement that a very large minority of all black people are thieves?

*hides candy bar from sight*

[Quackzilla]

I didn't state it as fact.

You are just in a hissy because you were arguing about how telephone polls accurately represent the opinions of all Americans, which is totally ignorant.

[JSweeney]

Xmas has a negative connotation? Since when? Wikipedia, what say you? "That's tosser talk, if you ask me!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas)

Bother to read that before you posted it?

4th paragraph, first line.
The abbreviation is widely but not universally accepted; some view it as demeaning to Christ



Straight Dope? You have an opinion on that?
"I concur with the right honorable Wiki, sirrah." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mxmas.html)

Unfortunately, that talks about the origin of the usage, and not the current perception, making it out of scope...Not to mention that I've not heard any invoking the Greek Character "Chi" but rather the English Character "X".

Like I said, this discussion was beaten to death in another topic.
This is well trod ground by now.

Here's a hint: look up what the Greek character for chi looks like and get back to me.

The point is, it's been used for a long time, and by early Christians themselves. People getting their panties in a knot about it now doesn't make it have a sinister history like you seem to have implied numerous times nor does it actually make it about consumerism over the religious aspects of the holiday. It may be well trod ground, but I don't recall the correct verdict being reached. There's nothing wicked about using Xmas, nor has there ever been and all the shrill fundie whining in the world today doesn't change that.

The fact that it bothers you doesn't change the fact that some find it offensive. To completely dismiss thier feelings as "radical" or that they are "fundies" is just dodging the issue at hand.

The "correct" verdict? Is that the one you subscribe to? Can there really be a "correct" verdict when emotion is concerned?

While I don't disagree with the bulk of what you said, you do neglect the fact that some do find it offensive. That still does not change.
In a format where words are so easily dismissable, why even bother using an abreviation or word that could be inflamatory?
$$$$$$ has a couple of other definitions, but I think I'll be refering to bundles of stick or cigarates as what they are rather than stomp around using a term that is know to be offensive to some.

Everything you say will not change the fact that the abreviation has a negative conotation in the eyes of some. Sources you qoute even state that.

It's better to respect that some people will take issue with it, even if you disagree with the thought process that takes them there or not. You just seem refuse to respect those beliefs that some hold.

Current history is just as valid in examining the eitology and conotations a word holds as ancient history is, and the same sources you qoute note that some do find the abreviation offensive. To say that this rises completely out of ignorance or fundamentalism is ridiculous.

[jmcc]

Xmas has a negative connotation? Since when? Wikipedia, what say you? "That's tosser talk, if you ask me!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas)

Bother to read that before you posted it?

4th paragraph, first line.
The abbreviation is widely but not universally accepted; some view it as demeaning to Christ



Straight Dope? You have an opinion on that?
"I concur with the right honorable Wiki, sirrah." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mxmas.html)

Unfortunately, that talks about the origin of the usage, and not the current perception, making it out of scope...Not to mention that I've not heard any invoking the Greek Character "Chi" but rather the English Character "X".

Like I said, this discussion was beaten to death in another topic.
This is well trod ground by now.

Here's a hint: look up what the Greek character for chi looks like and get back to me.

The point is, it's been used for a long time, and by early Christians themselves. People getting their panties in a knot about it now doesn't make it have a sinister history like you seem to have implied numerous times nor does it actually make it about consumerism over the religious aspects of the holiday. It may be well trod ground, but I don't recall the correct verdict being reached. There's nothing wicked about using Xmas, nor has there ever been and all the shrill fundie whining in the world today doesn't change that.

The fact that it bothers you doesn't change the fact that some find it offensive. To completely dismiss thier feelings as "radical" or that they are "fundies" is just dodging the issue at hand.

The "correct" verdict? Is that the one you subscribe to? Can there really be a "correct" verdict when emotion is concerned?

While I don't disagree with the bulk of what you said, you do neglect the fact that some do find it offensive. That still does not change.
In a format where words are so easily dismissable, why even bother using an abreviation or word that could be inflamatory?
E.T. has a couple of other definitions, but I think I'll be refering to bundles of stick or cigarates as what they are rather than stomp around using a term that is know to be offensive to some.

Everything you say will not change the fact that the abreviation has a negative conotation in the eyes of some. Sources you qoute even state that.

It's better to respect that some people will take issue with it, even if you disagree with the thought process that takes them there or not. You just seem refuse to respect those beliefs that some hold.

Current history is just as valid in examining the eitology and conotations a word holds as ancient history is, and the same sources you qoute note that some do find the abreviation offensive. To say that this rises completely out of ignorance or fundamentalism is ridiculous.

It clearly does rise completely out of ignorance. It's never been offensive, has been an acceptable abbreviation for centuries now and was invented by Christians for Christians. So what do you call people who try to make an issue where there isn't one in order to inject even more Jesus into an already Jesus-centric holiday? I call that fundimentalism.

[Drocket]

What jmcc said: of COURSE its ignorance. It was a perfectly valid and acceptable abbreviation for centuries, at least among the educated (both religious and not.) Then it was used in an ad, where the uneducated could see it, and instead of questioning why exactly someone used that abbreviation, they threw a bit hissy fit.

Then, when they were told what it meant, instead of doing the intelligent thing and saying "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that. Never mind", they refused to back down. They quite literally REFUSED to be educated. They not only don't seek out knowledge, they refuse knowledge that's handed to them. They prefer forcing others to do things their way over being right.

If you don't call that ignorance and fundamentalism, what exactly would it be?

[jmcc]

I see the Sweenus's point. The commercialization of the holiday season in general is pretty ugly, but saying Xmas is a sign of it simply isn't true. It's akin to demanding people stop using the full spelling of Christmas because ads feature it, too. I personally am not going to give up a convenient abbreviation because some corporate dongs use it too.

[munch]

The issue of race is not just a southern phenomenon. Some of the largest race riots took place in cities like detroit and watts, not to mention that california just might be the most racist state in the union.

i do agree that the south has a terrible education system. But, it is getting better, and will continue to do so. I have lived in the South my whole life, and i have met right wing wackos and way far left nutjobs.

the South has gotten a bad wrap ever since, what a lot of people down here call, THE WAR, and the North has never really forgiven the southern region for it. Boston accents sound just as retarted as Mississippi accents, but i would rather have people having those mannerisms than being exactly the same.

AND. . . .the South has the best football. bar none.

AND. . . .Virginia is no longer the South.

[Quackzilla]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

[jmcc]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

Source?

[gaelan]

Source?

does pulled from rectum count as a source?

[munch]

Source?

does pulled from rectum count as a source?

unfortunately not

[jmcc]

Source?

does pulled from rectum count as a source?

Only as a source of smuggled goods from south of the border.

[Quackzilla]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

Source?

http://www.johnjemerson.com/zizka.lincoln.htm

It was a TV news report from ABC 13, I can't find it on the website, it may have been purged.

I did find a related link though, but you had to see the story with the interviews and all. It was horrid.

Btw, how do you like your humble pie?

[gaelan]

Bibliography:

Rectum, The Inner Sacntum. Collection of Factoids. 2004

[gaelan]

Btw, how do you like your humble pie?

Deep fried with a RC cola to wash it down with...like any true Southerner would.

[ZarathosNY]

I find it funny that people in the south complain that people in the north bash them, but feel free to refer to northerners as "liberal elitists" or "city slickers".

[gaelan]

I find it funny that people in the south complain that people in the north bash them, but feel free to refer to northerners as "liberal elitists" or "city slickers".

Have you heard a real Southerner use those words? The reason I ask is that I have lived in the South most of my life, and I have never heard anyone use those words. I've seen the movie City Slickers, and I heard liberal elitist used on talk radio. I have heard Yankee used a bunch, but not typically in a derogatory manner.

[alonzomourning23]

Quack has a point with alabama, not so much pro slavery but for being racist. I was reading the link he posted and that linked to another site, claiming in 2000 interracial marriage was struck down, but 40% of people voted for it to remain illegal. I googled it and it turned out to be true.

link (http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/07/alabama.interracial/)

It also stated that it took south carolina until 98 to do the same, with 38% in favor of it remaining illegal. Obviously these bans weren't enforced, but they still had sizeable support.

[ZarathosNY]

I find it funny that people in the south complain that people in the north bash them, but feel free to refer to northerners as "liberal elitists" or "city slickers".

Have you heard a real Southerner use those words? The reason I ask is that I have lived in the South most of my life, and I have never heard anyone use those words. I've seen the movie City Slickers, and I heard liberal elitist used on talk radio. I have heard Yankee used a bunch, but not typically in a derogatory manner.

Actually, I think I only have heard it from pundits. Then again, I live in NY and I've never heard anyone express superiority over the south. Except for things like who has the better food, women, etc, but that kind of discussion happens anywhere you go.

[gaelan]

Quack has a point with alabama, not so much pro slavery but for being racist. I was reading the link he posted and that linked to another site, claiming in 2000 interracial marriage was struck down, but 40% of people voted for it to remain illegal. I googled it and it turned out to be true.

link (http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/07/alabama.interracial/)

It also stated that it took south carolina until 98 to do the same, with 38% in favor of it remaining illegal. Obviously these bans weren't enforced, but they still had sizeable support.

i don't know about SC but AL has a problem with legislation...well legislators in particular. See when a bill comes up like Save the White Seal of the Artic bill for example, legislators attach all of this crap onto the bill. What happens is that the Save the Seals bill will protect the Seals, but all the crap that was attached as the bill made its way through allows drinking and gambling in certain zip codes, tax hikes in certain cities, etc...

So it is difficult to determine a state's stance on issues like interracial marriage by only looking at a failed bill. One also should examine what extra crap is included in the legislation. Most of the time it has nothing to do with the title of the bill. In the end, all that is reported is:

ALABAMA SUPPORTS THE KILLING OF SEALS
OR
ALABAMA DENIES INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES

[JSweeney]

I see the Sweenus's point. The commercialization of the holiday season in general is pretty ugly, but saying Xmas is a sign of it simply isn't true. It's akin to demanding people stop using the full spelling of Christmas because ads feature it, too. I personally am not going to give up a convenient abbreviation because some corporate dongs use it too.

Actually, I think it's actually highly context sensitive.
That's actually a point that didn't get much play in the earlier discussion.
While most usage of Xmas is intented in the long used sense (X/Chi=Christ), there are times where it most definitely is not used in that sense... though, obviously, that will be picked up in the context.

Unfortunately, most people aren't all that good at discerning things like that, and as some of the obviously negative uses of the abreviation became more prevalant, it began developing a negative conotation.

I think the real issue is that both uses actually co-exist, but most people don't want to take the time, examine the context clues, and see exactly how the usage of Xmas was intented.

Unfortunately, this will sometimes manifest itself in discussions like this.

As I see it, Xmas is a useful abreivation for Christmas long used in historical writings, and it is also a touchstone for the secularization and commercialization of the Christmas season.

[jmcc]

I see the Sweenus's point. The commercialization of the holiday season in general is pretty ugly, but saying Xmas is a sign of it simply isn't true. It's akin to demanding people stop using the full spelling of Christmas because ads feature it, too. I personally am not going to give up a convenient abbreviation because some corporate dongs use it too.

Actually, I think it's actually highly context sensitive.
That's actually a point that didn't get much play in the earlier discussion.
While most usage of Xmas is intented in the long used sense (X/Chi=Christ), there are times where it most definitely is not used in that sense... though, obviously, that will be picked up in the context.

Unfortunately, most people aren't all that good at discerning things like that, and as some of the obviously negative uses of the abreviation became more prevalant, it began developing a negative conotation.

I think the real issue is that both uses actually co-exist, but most people don't want to take the time, examine the context clues, and see exactly how the usage of Xmas was intented.

Unfortunately, this will sometimes manifest itself in discussions like this.

As I see it, Xmas is a useful abreivation for Christmas long used in historical writings, and it is also a touchstone for the secularization and commercialization of the Christmas season.

Seriously, do you know anyone who says "Ex-mas" when they see Xmas? The only place I've ever heard it not pronounced as Christmas is on Futurama and I'm not a very religious fellow, so you'd think it would come up more in the non-churchous circles I frequent.

[JSweeney]

Seriously, do you know anyone who says "Ex-mas" when they see Xmas?

That could be the difference here. I have heard "ex-mas" used in conversations (even in radio advertising), though when used in that fashion, it usually is in the negative or commerical sense.

The only place I've ever heard it not pronounced as Christmas is on Futurama and I'm not a very religious fellow, so you'd think it would come up more in the non-churchous circles I frequent.

That actually is fairly odd. While I haven't heard it frequently, I have heard the "Ex-mas" pronounciation quite a bit... which is why I actually believe that the two exist simultaneously.

[Ledhed]

Heh, the Sweenus.

That is all.

[JSweeney]

Heh, the Sweenus.

That is all.

??
Que?
Yo no entendi.

[Ledhed]

Heh, the Sweenus.

That is all.

?

Yo no entendi.

A few posts back, jmcc referred to you as the Sweenus.

/giggle. :wink:

[elprincipe]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

That's just patently untrue and you have no proof.

EDIT: I should maybe add that the recently elected mayor of Richmond, Doug Wilder, is BLACK and he was also the first black governor in the U.S. years ago. In addition, all districts of the city gave him a majority, including the majority-white ones. So unless you're saying that people vote for someone for mayor that they wish were a slave, you can take your made-up arguments and stick them back where they came from, where the sun don't shine.

[camoor]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

That's just patently untrue and you have no proof.

EDIT: I should maybe add that the recently elected mayor of Richmond, Doug Wilder, is BLACK and he was also the first black governor in the U.S. years ago. In addition, all districts of the city gave him a majority, including the majority-white ones. So unless you're saying that people vote for someone for mayor that they wish were a slave, you can take your made-up arguments and stick them back where they came from, where the sun don't shine.

I went to school in South VA and there are a ton of Confederate flags in windows, on flagpoles, etc. It's actually a big deal for alot of people down there.

[elprincipe]

In Richmond, Virginia the majority of the population is pro-slavery.

They spit on pictures of Abraham Lincoln and save up pennies to buy Confederate flags.

It's disturbing.

That's just patently untrue and you have no proof.

EDIT: I should maybe add that the recently elected mayor of Richmond, Doug Wilder, is BLACK and he was also the first black governor in the U.S. years ago. In addition, all districts of the city gave him a majority, including the majority-white ones. So unless you're saying that people vote for someone for mayor that they wish were a slave, you can take your made-up arguments and stick them back where they came from, where the sun don't shine.

I went to school in South VA and there are a ton of Confederate flags in windows, on flagpoles, etc. It's actually a big deal for alot of people down there.

Yes, there are a number of people who feel that the Confederate flag is part of their heritage. Much less use it for racial reasons, and unfortunately these people do exist to some degree. But Quack in his usual fashion throws out his undocumented lies and then runs, saying things like the majority of the population of Richmond are pro-slavery, an absoultely and completely ludicrous statement.

[MrBadExample]

I went to school in South VA and there are a ton of Confederate flags in windows, on flagpoles, etc. It's actually a big deal for alot of people down there.

I live in SW Virginia and unfortunately, there is still a lot of racism here. Not so much the Klan-marching-down-the-street kind, but the more quiet kind.

[CrimsonGeist]

By north you mean Canada, or the U.S and Canada, and Mexico is the south. If its the second one, maybe we feel superior because we're looking down on them since wer're taller than most? I dunno.

[evilmax17]

Here's another reason why I don't like "the south".

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43181

Yes, I realize that there are cool people in the south, and that not everybody is an inbreeding racist yokel. But, when thinking about "the south" and how its different than "the north", this is exhibit A.

[CaseyRyback]

Here's another reason why I don't like "the south".

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43181

Yes, I realize that there are cool people in the south, and that not everybody is an inbreeding racist yokel. But, when thinking about "the south" and how its different than "the north", this is exhibit A.

yea there are not people like that in the North :roll:

just because one person wanted to prove she was an idiot it reflects on everyone from the south.

[zionoverfire]

We feel superior beacuse we won the war 150 years ago, now granted none of us were in that war nor were our parents or their parents and probably not even our parent's parent's parents and techniquely a fair amount of the southerners today aren't actual decendents of those southeners back then, in fact some of the might be decend from Northeners and others such as the Kentuckians where actually lived in a boarder state, but long story short we won the war which gives us justification for looking down on all southeners for eternity.

Long live the Union!



(j/k)

[charcoalfeather]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile


this i agree is why there is such a huge gap... in essence we are two different societies

[elprincipe]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile


this i agree is why there is such a huge gap... in essence we are two different societies

BS. The south has similar opinions on most issues as the north. You're crazy if you think someone from New York and someone from Georgia are different enough to not be seen as the same society.

[CaseyRyback]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile


this i agree is why there is such a huge gap... in essence we are two different societies

BS. The south has similar opinions on most issues as the north. You're crazy if you think someone from New York and someone from Georgia are different enough to not be seen as the same society.

exactly. Though most of the southern states lean republican, most of the elections won are by a very small majority. The southern states are not all that conservative, and I can't remember ever feeling like I was repressed because I live in a Southern state

[elprincipe]

I am not personally against southerners, but the south is responsible for a lot of shit in its time. I dont really feel like getting into it. But they have a strong ant-homosexual attitude in many states with the sodomy laws. They have some of the lowest education levels. They are considered the bible belt. My family had derogatory comments made towards them while living there. There has been a push there to include creationism or intelligent design as an alternative towards evoluition. Take my comments as u want, I am not against southerners, but I dont really see myself living in the south, at least not for awhile


this i agree is why there is such a huge gap... in essence we are two different societies

BS. The south has similar opinions on most issues as the north. You're crazy if you think someone from New York and someone from Georgia are different enough to not be seen as the same society.

exactly. Though most of the southern states lean republican, most of the elections won are by a very small majority. The southern states are not all that conservative, and I can't remember ever feeling like I was repressed because I live in a Southern state

I'm tired of people talking about such a "divided country" or "two different societies" because Pennsylvania gave Kerry 51-49 or something and Florida Bush 52-48 or something. It's not like they're diametrically opposed.

[evilmax17]

I'm tired of people talking about such a "divided country" or "two different societies" because Pennsylvania gave Kerry 51-49 or something and Florida Bush 52-48 or something. It's not like they're diametrically opposed.

Although you were talking about physical regions, I hope you realize that in your words, you're still saying that our country is diametrically opposed.

[elprincipe]

I'm tired of people talking about such a "divided country" or "two different societies" because Pennsylvania gave Kerry 51-49 or something and Florida Bush 52-48 or something. It's not like they're diametrically opposed.

Although you were talking about physical regions, I hope you realize that in your words, you're still saying that our country is diametrically opposed.

I don't see why that's true.

Main Entry: di·a·met·ric
Pronunciation: "dI-&-'me-trik
Variant(s): or di·a·met·ri·cal /-tri-k&l/
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or constituting a diameter : located at the diameter
2 : completely opposed : being at opposite extremes <in diametric contradiction to his claims>
- di·a·met·ri·cal·ly /-tri-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Doesn't sound like I'm using it incorrectly. :?:

[evilmax17]

I was commenting on your acknowledgement that in most states, the vote was pretty much 50-50. So yes, while states may not be different from one another (although i'd like to see the numbers between an Alabama and a Massachussetts), thereis a diametric opposition WITHIN these states. Having states that pretty much vote 50-50 is an interesting thing, and it just goes to show that this country is still very much divided (maybe not "North vs South", but everywhere inclusively).

[elprincipe]

I was commenting on your acknowledgement that in most states, the vote was pretty much 50-50. So yes, while states may not be different from one another (although i'd like to see the numbers between an Alabama and a Massachussetts), thereis a diametric opposition WITHIN these states. Having states that pretty much vote 50-50 is an interesting thing, and it just goes to show that this country is still very much divided (maybe not "North vs South", but everywhere inclusively).

Oh, I see what you're saying, that the half that voted for Bush are diametrically opposed to the half that voted for Kerry, the kind of anti-Nader they-are-the-same argument. I have to disagree on that one. I think most Americans share similar values and goals and just disagree sometimes on how to get there. Of course, such disagreements are the highlight of the campaign because one gigantic deficit spender has to differentiate himself from the other.

BTW, here are Massachusetts (61-37 for Kerry) (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/MA/P/00/index.html) and Alabama (63-37 for Bush) (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/AL/P/00/index.html). Those are solid majorities, but nearly 4 in 10 in each state went for the other guy.