Dad cancels Christmas, sells bad kid's presents on eBay

[TJordan522]

This is really mean yet pretty funny. Anyone have a link to the auction?


Kids Naughty, So Dad Sells Their Gifts on eBay

HOUSTON (Dec. 24) - A father of three children in the Houston area has gone from playing Santa Claus to playing the Grinch.

The man decided that his children were being naughty instead of nice -- and he's taught them a lesson by auctioning their presents on the popular auction site, eBay.

The man, who asked the Houston Chronicle not to reveal his name, decided to sell off the presents because the youngsters had misbehaved. His children are nine, eleven and 15.

"Three undeserving boys have crossed the line," the eBay listing says. "Tonight we sat down and showed them what they WILL NOT get for Christmas this year. I'll be taking down the tree tomorrow."

His auction posting continues, "This isn't a scare tactic for the kids. This is the result of bad choices that can't be undone. Neither can this."

The man is offering to sell three of the wireless video game systems as well as several games.

The bidding was up to $1,025 as the auction wound down.

"Your e-mails, good and bad, are much appreciated and will be put in a scrapbook for when the boys have their own children," the man writes to those seeing his listing. "Since this has become a bit of a Christmas soapbox, we would like everyone to think about what it says about (our) society and culture when good family values and accountability are taught and it becomes worldwide news."

"My last name is not Scrooge," he adds.

[BasketCase1080]

THAT IS FLIPPIN' AWESOME!!! PWN'D!!!!!!!!!!

[ananag112]

The man is offering to sell three of the wireless video game systems as well as several games.


Wireless video game system?

[Ledhed]

The man is offering to sell three of the wireless video game systems as well as several games.


Wireless video game system?

I would assume they are Game Boys.

[Xtreme331]

The man is offering to sell three of the wireless video game systems as well as several games.


Wireless video game system?

Portable gaming systems maybe? Maybe 3 DS or GBAs?

[Xtreme331]

^^ Oops. Got beat to it.

Personally, I totally agree with this Dad. Obviously these kids did something pretty bad for an extended time to warrant this, so hey, they gotta learn some way or another. More power to him for sticking to his guns instead of giving in to his kids! Sux for those kids. HAHA! :rofl:

[muncle]

it says the auction was wounding down, so i guess no link, unless you are the winner and are willing to post the link for all us cag to laugh at!

[Randomthts]

here's the link :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=8156992 690&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

apparently it's been relisted.

[Ledhed]

When I'm ringing out parents with snotty, ungrateful demon children, I always want to tell them to just not buy the stuff. Tell the kid that he won't get anything until he straightens out, and make sure he understands that this rule will always apply throughout his entire life, not just now. Santa had enought sense to have a "naughty" list, so why don't parents?

And yep, they were getting DS's.

[evilmax17]

Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

[muncle]

thanks for link! those kids probably did something real bad...like get bad grades, and then go on a murder rampage!

[JebusMcLucifer]

That is so f'n cool.

[JSweeney]

710 dollars and it hasn't hit the reserve price?

3 DS at 150 each, and 3 games?
That should be 600-650 at best.

Maybe I'm too skeptical, but I have a feeling that there is more than meets the eyes to this story.

[Dok Diamond]

hahaha

[Xtreme331]

When I'm ringing out parents with snotty, ungrateful demon children, I always want to tell them to just not buy the stuff. Tell the kid that he won't get anything until he straightens out, and make sure he understands that this rule will always apply throughout his entire life, not just now. Santa had enought sense to have a "naughty" list, so why don't parents?

And yep, they were getting DS's.

You know how hard it is to find DS's. These parents apparently thought their kids could be good and would be able to get their presents. So i can understand this particular situation.

But yeah, I hear ya Ledhed. Unfortunately parents who care, usually don't have snotty asshats for children. The parents aren't usually sticklers for things like "rules" and "following through" on threats. This has been my experience so far.

[Moxio]

Rofl. Go him.

[Drico]

I'd guess he just made this up. Juicey stories always boost the ending price by at least 33% ...

[Detective Thorn]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a cooked-up story designed to drive up auction prices?

What could these kids possibly have done that are "bad choices that can not be undone"? Especially one who is only nine.

The "father" here conveniently wishes to remain anonymous so there is no way to verify this story.

[Eric467]

Awesome. Serves the kids right.

[moiety]

Man, they had to have been really bad! I bet those kids will think twice about their behavior in the future (or we can only hope).

Too many kids these days act are just altogether "bad kids". What a great way to discipline them, on the day they've been looking forward to most. Moreover, I'm sure these kids don't have any appreciation for the hard-earned money that goes into giving them a good Christmas.

[swetooth9]

heh...that'll teach 'em

[evilmax17]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a cooked-up story designed to drive up auction prices?

What could these kids possibly have done that are "bad choices that can not be undone"? Especially one who is only nine.

The "father" here conveniently wishes to remain anonymous so there is no way to verify this story.

I dunno, why would you interview with a newspaper to promote a fake auction? It doesn't seem logical...

[cruzincontrol]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a cooked-up story designed to drive up auction prices?

What could these kids possibly have done that are "bad choices that can not be undone"? Especially one who is only nine.

The "father" here conveniently wishes to remain anonymous so there is no way to verify this story.

I think so too

[cag1000]

omfg this pisses me off
3 ds=450 and now the auction is over 700???????
why because he has great advertising with a gimick
a mf gimmick!!!!!
theres still 2 days left its at 710 and hes got over 8k hits
next time i make an auction im gonna offer my soul with it and then email my auction to channel 10 news. then maybe i can sell my old used can of pepsi that i backwashed in for 10 mf grand
ugghhh prob doesnt even have kids wheres the proof

[Randomthts]

"Remember kids - Good things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people.

This is a perfect example of what happens to bad kids."

At $710.00 the reserve price hasn't been met for the auction and assuming he paid MSRP, it would come to about $540 before taxes for the three DSes and three games. I guess the moral of the story is : If you're bad mom and dad have an excuse to make a good profit from your Christmas gifts.

[Larsin]

lol, these parents rule!

[gmzone]

People are so damn gullible. $710 for something that's worth around $500-650 bucks. 2 of the DS systems aren't even "new". Because he comes up with some stupid story that's probably BS, the price goes up. Geez.

[WhipSmartBanky]

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1223ebay-grinch23-ON.html

Tears or no, he said, if the kids don't settle down, he will auction off the next tier of toys - a bicycle, fish tank and karaoke machine.

Next tier? :shock: 3 DSes, 3 games, AND a bike, tank, and karaoke? Geesh. Spoiled fucking ROTTEN.

[Nilbog]

Reserve price hasn't been met, I have a feeling he's just doing it as a show.

"Kids im selling your stuff on ebay", and they can clearly see that he is, but it won't sell because he has like a reserve of 2000 dollars or something. Still a good lesson though.

[the_deej]

what a good father

[greydemise]

wow..i just refreshed the page and it hit $759..btw, it has to suck..but the kids apparently were using bad language, waving their middle fingers..and "making their mother cry"
so..hmm :-\

[defender]

The story sounds like BS to me.

[craven_fiend]

the only way it could be over 700 is if:

3 DS - 450
3 Mario 64- 90
3 Spiderman 2- 120
3 Asphalt- 90

Adds up to 750 before tax.

[stemartin7]

Is everybody using a gimmick nowadays just to ram up the price of their stuff on ebay nowadays, exp. ghosts, bad kids, etc.

[khc]

thats good parenting, props to him

[PaulEMoz]

Reserve is met now, must have been $750.

[polaricecaves]

If you make your mother cry you're wrong.

[SS4Brolly]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

[mtxbass1]

"It's a trap". -- Taken from another CAG ;)

[Tide123]

I'm quite sure the story is pure BS and like the other CG'ers said, he's only making up the story for a boost in price..look:

TO ANSWER THE MYRIAD OF EMAILS



This should cover most of the obvious questions:

1) No, this is not fake, we are serious, and we are just a mom and dad.

2) The boys actions included flying single digit fingers in the air, kicking, yelling, and using grammer you would not expect from anyone. If you make your mother cry you're wrong.

3) Yes, the bidding on this is obviously more than the product is worth. We've been slammed for "profiting" on our children's hard learned lesson. I assure you that it will be used for a just cause. Our church is in dire need of a new heater and we as a small church can not afford one. 4) "When doing what is right and proper becomes an abnormal act in this society it is time to take a step back and re-evaluate. Teaching accountability is NEVER EVER EVER wrong.

and well, if you look at the previous auctions, this man has sold little girls clothing which he claims were his daughter's.. interesting indeed :shock:

[Graystone]

Sweet, but messed up in a way. my parents would not take away my presents unless I did something really bad like wreck the truck while driving drunk and hit a school bus full of childern when I was 9 years old or something like that. would make them take away presents.

[Kain Vincent]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

I agree. I'm sick of the lack of discipline in parenting these days. When I was younger, if I did something wrong, I got smacked. I'm turning out good, unlike a lot of kids these days.

In today's society, discipline is losing ground. People can know sue companies for things so stupid, like fast food places for making a person fat. If these people were disciplined, I doubt those things would happen. But, discipline requires effort. And we all know, it's easier to give a kid the thing they want, instead of disciplining them. :roll:

[Nirvanaguy777]

I give him much credit.

[Spacepest]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

I agree. I'm sick of the lack of discipline in parenting these days. When I was younger, if I did something wrong, I got smacked. I'm turning out good, unlike a lot of kids these days.

In today's society, discipline is losing ground. People can know sue companies for things so stupid, like fast food places for making a person fat. If these people were disciplined, I doubt those things would happen. But, discipline requires effort. And we all know, it's easier to give a kid the thing they want, instead of disciplining them. :roll:

My parents were the same way.

And taking away Xmas presents from kids...isn't it a little too late once things have gotten to that point???

I've had my parents take away stuff from me as a child for misbehaving, but NEVER ON XMAS. It would have been more effective to let the kids open their presents on Xmas day, play with them, THEN take them away on the next day. Then they would have missed them and then the punishment would have been much worse.

[jaykrue]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

I agree. I'm sick of the lack of discipline in parenting these days. When I was younger, if I did something wrong, I got smacked. I'm turning out good, unlike a lot of kids these days.

In today's society, discipline is losing ground. People can know sue companies for things so stupid, like fast food places for making a person fat. If these people were disciplined, I doubt those things would happen. But, discipline requires effort. And we all know, it's easier to give a kid the thing they want, instead of disciplining them. :roll:

You also have to consider that discipline is a hard thing to do now. I've been a firm believer in physical discipline. I'm a product of that kind and I think I turned to be a fairly normal (although strange) individual. Nobody's been killed by my hands nor have I gotten into a fight which was instigated by me. I think it's due to the sue-happy climate nowadays like you said. And you don't have to hit a kid to physically discipline him (although I think that's the best method). One method my parents used was making me kneel in sand while holding textbooks...for 6 hours straight. It seems like an easy punishment but try thinkin' that around hour 2 when you're only 8-9 yrs old. Another method is my mom would tell me to show my butt so she could spank me. Sometimes she would, sometimes she wouldn't but it was the fear of getting spanked that made sure I knew I'd done something bad and I was paying for it. I think that physical discipline still has a place in raising good children as long as the punishment fits the crime.

[yogi99]

That was harsh for the father.

[dwsscs]

I almost wonder if its just a story to get sympathy bids. My local news did one of those undercover investigations about this kind of activity.

One guy claimed to be a charity called Kids of Atlanta. Well the Kids of Atlanta were his kids, so all proceeds went to them. LOL gotta give him some credit for something. Others were sob stories: divorce sales, runaway kids, cheating husbands boots, etc.

[dwsscs]

A related thing in the news was the parents on strike thing in Florida. It made national news, the parents basically moved out into the front lawn and made the kids do all of their own cooking, laundry , cleaning, etc.

[Kain Vincent]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

I agree. I'm sick of the lack of discipline in parenting these days. When I was younger, if I did something wrong, I got smacked. I'm turning out good, unlike a lot of kids these days.

In today's society, discipline is losing ground. People can know sue companies for things so stupid, like fast food places for making a person fat. If these people were disciplined, I doubt those things would happen. But, discipline requires effort. And we all know, it's easier to give a kid the thing they want, instead of disciplining them. :roll:

You also have to consider that discipline is a hard thing to do now. I've been a firm believer in physical discipline. I'm a product of that kind and I think I turned to be a fairly normal (although strange) individual. Nobody's been killed by my hands nor have I gotten into a fight which was instigated by me. I think it's due to the sue-happy climate nowadays like you said. And you don't have to hit a kid to physically discipline him (although I think that's the best method). One method my parents used was making me kneel in sand while holding textbooks...for 6 hours straight. It seems like an easy punishment but try thinkin' that around hour 2 when you're only 8-9 yrs old. Another method is my mom would tell me to show my butt so she could spank me. Sometimes she would, sometimes she wouldn't but it was the fear of getting spanked that made sure I knew I'd done something bad and I was paying for it. I think that physical discipline still has a place in raising good children as long as the punishment fits the crime.

That sand punishment is an odd one, at least to me.

[bradr]

This is BS. Just some made up story to garner attention (ie: more bidders). A quote from their own re-listed auction:

"EBAY cancelled the previous auction because we offered to take a CC on our merchant account. This is a violation of their rules. We were unaware of this, and have taken that portion out. Evidently when it comes to payment - only EBAY can choose the source."

If they already have a credit card processor, what do they actually sell where they can process CCs? Hmmm....

[jaykrue]

thats good parenting, props to him

Bullshit it is.

If my kid ever swore at me, or used the finger, he'd know the feeling of my belt. One of them is 15. By then, they should know how to act. I know that I never did that to my parents, and neither has my brother. Ever. And Im just taking a wild guess in saying that this type of behavior didnt just "suddenly" appear around the holidays. They've done an awful job at parenting if they're kids cant control themselves by those ages. So, they reward them and spoil them with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts. Gotta have mulitple game systems so none of them have to share with eachother.

What a joke.

I agree. I'm sick of the lack of discipline in parenting these days. When I was younger, if I did something wrong, I got smacked. I'm turning out good, unlike a lot of kids these days.

In today's society, discipline is losing ground. People can know sue companies for things so stupid, like fast food places for making a person fat. If these people were disciplined, I doubt those things would happen. But, discipline requires effort. And we all know, it's easier to give a kid the thing they want, instead of disciplining them. :roll:

You also have to consider that discipline is a hard thing to do now. I've been a firm believer in physical discipline. I'm a product of that kind and I think I turned to be a fairly normal (although strange) individual. Nobody's been killed by my hands nor have I gotten into a fight which was instigated by me. I think it's due to the sue-happy climate nowadays like you said. And you don't have to hit a kid to physically discipline him (although I think that's the best method). One method my parents used was making me kneel in sand while holding textbooks...for 6 hours straight. It seems like an easy punishment but try thinkin' that around hour 2 when you're only 8-9 yrs old. Another method is my mom would tell me to show my butt so she could spank me. Sometimes she would, sometimes she wouldn't but it was the fear of getting spanked that made sure I knew I'd done something bad and I was paying for it. I think that physical discipline still has a place in raising good children as long as the punishment fits the crime.

That sand punishment is an odd one, at least to me.

Ya, you could say my parents were creative about punishment :oops: Well, my family's always been about lateral thinking (thinking outside the box) so when we moved to the US, getting spanked is liable for getting sued or at the worst, getting your kids taken away by Social Services (one of the stupid things you'll only find in the US). So they had to come up w/ different ways to punish us kids w/o actually hitting us. Looking back, I think I'd rather get spanked since some of those punishments I think were far more harsh than any spanking. The sand thing happened after I stole one of my neighbor's kids toys by punching him in the shoulder and taking off w/ the toy (He-Man in case you were wondering) when he dropped it. Well, he told his dad and his dad told my dad, I denied it, father gives look that always breaks me down (I gotta remember that look when I have kids) and gives the toy back. So then my dad empties my cat's litterbox and puts sand in from our backyard playground. He tells me to kneel and face the wall. Then tells me to put my 2 textbooks in my hands. He said if either one of them falls below my waist, I was going to get spanked. Easy money, I thought since they weren't that heavy. So my parents took turns watching me for the next 6 hrs. I noticed it started getting heavy around the 2nd hour (hey, I was 8). My mom would pull and twist my ear every time it started falling since she said, "I'd rather pull your ear than have your father spank you. You know which'll be worse." And she wasn't lying.

[zionoverfire]

Most of the spoiled rotten bad kids I've met are that way due in large part to their own parents, its always funny watching someone punish a monster they themselves created.

[Zenithian Legend]

I'd guess he just made this up. Juicey stories always boost the ending price by at least 33% ...

Ya this has :bs: written all over it

[CapAmerica]

Ya this sounds made-up. I mean its sounds alot like a clone of another ebay auction that made it into the news where the parent was selling his kids PS2 because he got caught drinking beer and a very expensive bottle of wine the father had.

[jaykrue]

whoah-oh! Looks like someone got into his Xmas presents too early and Superman looks pissed...

http://img152.exs.cx/img152/2561/jlaxmas0lf.jpg

"I guess we're gonna have to teach you a lesson, Batman. I was going to give you this custom edition Bat Nintendo DS but since you were naughty I'm going to have to sell it on Ebay. And don't give me that 'I'll sick my kryptonite ring on you' look. Now go help Wonder Woman take down the Xmas tree and make sure to tell Steel to take down the Kwanzaa decorations. You know how testy Martian Manhunter gets since he's an atheist. Sheesh, always got a stick up his Martian butt."

Boy, do I feel sorry for Lil Bats. Look how sad he is. Supes is always being an uptight goody-goody.

[jm2u]

Its pulled. Its got nothing on the $66k haunted cane scam.

[Zenithian Legend]

Ya this sounds made-up. I mean its sounds alot like a clone of another ebay auction that made it into the news where the parent was selling his kids PS2 because he got caught drinking beer and a very expensive bottle of wine the father had.

Actually I believe that was some woman, and she was upset because the kid had drank some 10 year old bottle of wine... perhaps, something to that effect, it was really crappy; the whole thing was so poorly written that it came off as something a 5th grader might write.

[Indiana]

Looks like ebay pulled the auction. I think they realized the story was BS and getting publicity..

[jaykrue]

whoah-oh! Looks like someone got into his Xmas presents too early and Superman looks pissed...

http://img152.exs.cx/img152/2561/jlaxmas0lf.jpg

"I guess we're gonna have to teach you a lesson, Batman. I was going to give you this custom edition Bat Nintendo DS but since you were naughty I'm going to have to sell it on Ebay. And don't give me that 'I'll sick my kryptonite ring on you' look. Now go help Wonder Woman take down the Xmas tree and make sure to tell Steel to take down the Kwanzaa decorations. You know how testy Martian Manhunter gets since he's an atheist. Sheesh, always got a stick up his Martian butt."

Boy, do I feel sorry for Lil Bats. Look how sad he is. Supes is always being an uptight goody-goody.

Man, not a peep. Tough audience. :?

[URABAHN]

Kudos to dad for sending a strong message. That's an awesome way to get through to your kids. As a matter of fact, it happened to me once in Jr. High for terrible grades.

[alonzomourning23]

I would like to know what these kids actually did, this could be a parent enforcing discipline, or could just be a parent who goes overboard and this is another example (with a 9 year old kid I think this is more likely). Though reading this I'm still suprised people see physical punishment as acceptable. It make the children more likely to be violent (obviously not always, but it does increase the tendency), since you are teaching them that violence can solve problems (which is exactly what the parent is doing), but it also increases the likelihood of more aggressive physical punishment, where the kid is actually hurt, since you are saying that in some forms it is acceptable (compared to now when we say none is acceptable).

[delahappy]

In the description he said that the kids were flying the bird and cussing so much they made their mommy cry.

[Kaijufan]

Its too bad Ebay took it down. I would have liked reading the entire story and any comments.

[jaykrue]

I would like to know what these kids actually did, this could be a parent enforcing discipline, or could just be a parent who goes overboard and this is another example (with a 9 year old kid I think this is more likely). Though reading this I'm still suprised people see physical punishment as acceptable. It make the children more likely to be violent (obviously not always, but it does increase the tendency), since you are teaching them that violence can solve problems (which is exactly what the parent is doing), but it also increases the likelihood of more aggressive physical punishment, where the kid is actually hurt, since you are saying that in some forms it is acceptable (compared to now when we say none is acceptable).

I would have to disagree since not all kids who get physically punished have homicidal, Columbine shoot'em up tendencies. Myself case in point. If you look at how things are now compared to how they were 20 yrs ago (when I was a snotty lil brat) I'd hafta say things are worse. Sure I did bad stuff but I also learned discipline from physical punishment. And as I said before, you don't have to hit a child to physically punish them. I see kids nowadays and have little to NO respect whatsoever w/ their parents since parents these days are too scared of being reported by their kids - THEIR OWN KIDS - for punishing them for something that the kids most likely deserved. I'm not saying sucker punch the kid. At the very least a buttspanking or even a slap on the wrist will do. So what're parents' alternatives? Give them a 'time out'? Ground them? Those don't work. What exactly is a 'time out'? Preventing them from talking on the phone w/ their friends, going out, watching tv, whatever. Kids know they can take advantage of adults because the law is on their side no matter what; even if the kid got even a buttspanking and told the authorities that the parents beat him short of inches of his life, who do you think the authorities will believe? The kid showing off his puppy dog eyes or the raggled parents (due to their uncontrollable child)? What about grounding them? That won't work either. Chances are, when a parent grounds a child, they'll send him/her to their bedroom... ya their bedroom where their video games are most likely to be, their bedroom where their TV is most likely to be, their bedroom where their computer is most likely to be. Parents really don't have anyone going to bat for them since when the world sees children, they don't consider the fact that kids can be conniving too. There are few alternatives to physical discipline that really convey punishment. You don't think seeing these stories of parents protesting in front of their yard due to kids not doing their chores, or parents selling their stuff on Ebay due to misbehaving children, or parents throwing tantrums in supermarkets to embarass their children who threw their own tantrums could be an alarm saying, "hey! Kids are taking too much advantage of adults and know they can get away w/ it!" ? These are parents who're at their wits end trying to find ways to discipline their children w/o spanking or hitting. But what society doesn't seem to understand that pain is a good thing, the best teacher. If we didn't feel pain, we wouldn't be aware of injuries we might sustain. If you have a kid who's never seen a electrical socket before but puts in his finger, you can bet the electric shock he gets tell him, hmmm, maybe putting my finger their ain't such a hot idea. I think physical discipline is necessary. But of course there's a fine line between physical discipline and outright beating the child. If a kid drops a glass and breaks it due to soapy hands, you give him a mild slap on the wrist not to do it again, not punch him in the eye. When it devolves to that, that's when the fine line is crossed.

[ZForce]

Here's the posting from the auction for those that missed it, along with my analysis in brackets. Note: This auction ended at $5,300!!!!! I don't know why I'm typing this, I guess I'm bored

Relisted for the THIRD TIME. WE WILL NOT GIVE UP.

[The first time this guy listed it, it didn't meet the reserve price, it ended at $450 or something. I'd assume this was before the guy got mentioned in the paper]

No kidding. Three undeserving boys have crossed the line. Tonight we sat down and showed them what they WILL NOT get for Christmas this year. I'll be taking down the tree tomorrow. (December the 23rd)

[I have no real problem with disciplining your children how you see fit, within reason. This seems a bit extreme, but if the kids were really misbehaving, I can see it]

Three DS Systems WITH PictoChat AND Metroid.

Three games - Spiderman, Super Mario something, and Asphalt driving game.

[Super Mario something... lol]

THIS IS FOR EVERYTHING.

If you don't buy them we'll return them to the store.

[No one bought them the last time, but then he got mentioned in the news, which brough him a lot of publicity, so he probably figured he'd cash in on that, rather than returning them to the store]

NOTE: This is for THREE full systems in perfect shape - WITH THREE GAMES. The information says NEW but my wife and I opened two of them VERY CAREFULLY and tried them for about 2-3 minutes each. They are still in the bags and perfect in every way.

[Probably why he can't just take em back]

They truly are the neatest thing I've ever seen. (We tried the PictoChat and it was absolutely amazing...)

[Either he's trying to taunt his kids with this line, or it's hype to try and sell the things for more money]

Remember kids - Good things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people.

[Yak yak yak, preach preach preach. I doubt many kids actually read this auction]

This is a perfect example of what happens to bad kids.

[More preachin']

Note: On our past auction this page was copied and duplicated by someone with bad intentions. We posted their name to our auction and brought it to everyone's attention. Because our actions were good and honorable

[Everything we do is good and honorable! Everyone else is the bad guys!]

- Ebay cancelled the auction. You can't mention another user's name in your auction - even when they have done wrong and you are warning others to steer clear.

[you could have just made mention to watch out for phony versions of this auction without mentioning names]

Appearantly another thing we teach our children, "If you tell the truth you can't be wrong" does not apply on this website.

[More preaching. This guy's self-righteous attitude makes me want to hurl. Plus if this auction goes through, he's making nearly $5,000 profit, so what's he complaining about Ebay's ethics for?]

Let's just sell these things and be done with it.

[I thought he was gonna take them back if they didn't sell? And who's "let's"]

Bottom line: From what I can tell, this guy is a self righteous, god-fearing uh... something. What may have started as a way to discipline his kids, turned into something pretty screwed up. The free publicity his auction got made things worse. He also claims he is not intending to profit from his kid's hard earned lesson, and that the money is going to go to buy his small church a heater. Whatever. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Moxio]

$5,300?!!?! WHAT THE HELL!?!

[mtxbass1]

I just saw on CNN.com how he got 5300.00. That is so fucking lame. I swear karma needs to get that guy.