Most Over Rated Game of All Time

[CrimsonGeist]

What do you think is the most over rated game of all time? IMO, GTA:SA is one of them.(Don't really know whats the most over rated.) I died twice because these trees materialized out of nowhere and I crashed my plane into them. Graphics deserved a 6! And a game with a graphics of 6 can't get a 9.6! Maybe 9.2 though :lol: . But don't get me wrong I love the game. Halo is another nominee. Great game but repetitive level design. Maybe I feel that way because when my pc messed up, I had to play that horrid Library level again on legendary!

[-Never4ever-]

HaLO2 GtA:SA DS everything NGC, Basically everygame that ever got more than one preview. That's what you want to here, and that's what your going to here, becaus e most people nowadays have nothing better to do thatn bitch :P

I pray that a mod closes this flame bait before it escalates any further. This was a stupid idea and the OP needs to be eviserated.

[Scorch]

Soul Calibur 2. If you can remember the hype. I said two weeks after the game came out, no one would be talking about it. Everyone laughed at me. I was right.

[The Successful Dropout]

HaLO2 GtA:SA DS everything NGC, Basically everygame that ever got more than one preview. That's what you want to here, and that's what your going to here, becaus e most people nowadays have nothing better to do thatn bitch :P

I pray that a mod closes this flame bait before it escalates any further. This was a stupid idea and the OP needs to be eviserated.

:ziplip:

[ZForce915]

Final Fantasy VII. Nothing can live up to the hype it was given.

[zewone]

Half Life 2.

[The Successful Dropout]

IMO, Splinter Cell

[AdamInPlaidum]

Metal Gear Solid. I say this from playing Twin Snakes on Gamecube, so maybe that game just didn't capture whatever makes MGS good, but I just really don't like the game very much.

[zionoverfire]

Halo 2 as far as hype

but since I monstly play RPGs for most over rated I'm going with Xenogears with Valkyrie Profile running a very close second.


Also GTA SA wasn't over rated except by idiots who seemed to thing it would be somehow different from the 2 previous games and gamming magazines that rate everything popular to high.

[mtxbass1]

This is going to get ugly.

[CaseyRyback]

Metal Gear Solid. I say this from playing Twin Snakes on Gamecube, so maybe that game just didn't capture whatever makes MGS good, but I just really don't like the game very much.

don't say anything bad about the game until you cock punch a guard with your stealth camo on

and if we are looking at this generation I would say PoP:SOT and Freedom Fighters. Both games get really boring and really repetitive, really fast. I got about 80 percent through PoP and more than halfway through FF before putting them down

And Although I have not played it, Halo 2 is def. on my list. That game was so overhyped no way it could match the hype. When every thread on the front page of the Xbox board is a Halo 2 topic, and you get flamed for trying to clean up the board because there are other games coming out besides Halo, you kind of hate the game

[blueweltall]

Metal Gear Solid. I say this from playing Twin Snakes on Gamecube, so maybe that game just didn't capture whatever makes MGS good, but I just really don't like the game very much.

The orginal was better on the psone. The gamecube version is to easy with the added first person aiming.

[AdamInPlaidum]

Metal Gear Solid. I say this from playing Twin Snakes on Gamecube, so maybe that game just didn't capture whatever makes MGS good, but I just really don't like the game very much.

don't say anything bad about the game until you cock punch a guard with your stealth camo on

and if we are looking at this generation I would say PoP:SOT and Freedom Fighters. Both games get really boring and really repetitive, really fast. I got about 80 percent through PoP and more than halfway through FF before putting them down

And Although I have not played it, Halo 2 is def. on my list. That game was so overhyped no way it could match the hype. When every thread on the front page of the Xbox board is a Halo 2 topic, and you get flamed for trying to clean up the board because there are other games coming out besides Halo, you kind of hate the game

Cock punch!? Maybe I should play a little more.

[RaekwonThaChef]

Both Halos. I also agree with Soul Cali 2. Most media unanimously declared it the greatest fighting, or at least 3d fighting game of all time. IMO, Virtua Fighter 4 is light years ahead of it in terms of depth. So much better of a fighting game all around. And I just got bored with SC2 after a while. There's been tons of over-rated games throughout the ages, but I'd have to say Halo takes the cake, with Halo 1 a close second.

[whoknows]

Easily H2, best game ever my ass I felt like beating anyone that said that with a baseball bat (which was a lot of people I would have been busy for a looong time) followed by GTA (VC and SA) and SCII (not close to best fighting game). Then we cant forget Fable too.....wow so many overrated games

[PawnTakesKing]

Fable. Fable. Fable.

I was expecting an Elder Scrolls-esque, free-roaming RPG, and I got a steaming pile of dung. Most. Overhyped. Ever.

[Duo_Maxwell]

This went from most overrated game to an issue of most overhyped pretty quickly, am I the only one that doesnt really think they are the same thing?

[msdmoney]

For just shear overated, Halo 2 (and Halo 1 for that matter). It's just a standard FPS and very repetitive, yet got near perfect reviews. I would say Chronicles of Riddick had a better single person adventure, much more variety. I am not saying Halo 1 or 2 are bad games, they are good, but not great games.

FFVII which was more of a movie than a game.

Tomb Raider with it's awkward clunky controls

We must have one of these topics every month, so let this one go down in flames like the rest.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Anything with the words "Final Fantasy," "Grand Theft Auto," or "Resident Evil" in their titles.

[Rihan]

Halo, pure and simple.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Anything with the words "Final Fantasy," "Grand Theft Auto," or "Resident Evil" in their titles.

GRRRRRRRRRR At FF.

[whoknows]

Anything with the words "Final Fantasy," "Grand Theft Auto," or "Resident Evil" in their titles.

GRRRRRRRRRR At FF.

What he said except replace FF with RE.
Also WSB didn't seem to mention Halo....Hmm green avatar and not mentioning halo can only mean one thing His avatar is really the Mighty Morphing Master WSB :D

[twiztidjester]

Fable, Halo 1/2, and Doom 3

[MorPhiend]

Halo/Halo2, GTA3,4&5. And as much as I enjoy the game, I would have to agree with Soul Calibur II as well. Oh, and anything FFVII or beyond (although I haven't played FFCC, but it wasn't very highly rated either).

[brainstorm]

i might get flamed for this... but i thought metroid: prime was way overrated. i got it and it was cool for about 3 days, then it just got crappy, i hated the auto lock function it took away from the first person...

also mario kart: dd only because it was way too easy, i dont remember ever really losing a race... i was extremely disappointed with it

[Pylis]

Doom 3 was so disappointing to me, but at the same time I don't think all that many people liked it anyway, so maybe it doesn't count.

Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite FF, but everything after that sucks.

Resident Evil (with the exception of the incredible looking fourth installment) has never been appealing to me, either.

[capnharlock]

I was gonna say Halo, but then I thought about it more, and its context, and I think I get why Halo is so big, even though I'm not really into it. As a console title, I can see why it's a phenomenon.

Then I was gonna say GTA: SA, but again I think objectively it's a pretty amazing game with a lot going on. It just doesn't have quite the same impact for me because I played the previous two.

I think I'm gonna have to nominate FFVII. I just could not get past the primitive character art and animation, and some of the characterizations. The combat also left me wanting too. I like Wild Arms a lot more. It was more conventional and didn't have FFVII's ambition, but it clicked.

[Rig]

Personally, I would have to say:

Halo
Halo 2
And any and all Final Fantasies.

I believe all of these games were overrated...

[GenDV138]

Halo, Halo 2

[redgopher]

Fable. Fable. Fable.

I was expecting an Elder Scrolls-esque, free-roaming RPG, and I got a steaming pile of dung. Most. Overhyped. Ever.

Agreed. I commonly refer to it as "Crapple."

[Dr Mario Kart]

you should add a poll with the suggestions thus far.

[jimbodan]

Halo, it's just an average FPS. There are tons better on the PC.

[maddfrog]

I'm gonna go to what my friend stated was the downfall of Rare, Donkey Kong 64. Everyone was hyping up that game so much before it came out because of the DKC series. I still remember popping in the cartridge with my friend next to me and hearing the DK Rap for the first time. We sat there with our mouths wide open, not believing what we just heard.

Sure the hype has been bad on the games that were mentioned before, but DK 64 wasn't even that good of a gameplay experience, period.

[ViolentLee]

People mentioning Fable have a good point. It didn't turn out near as good as I hoped, and I quickly forgot about it.

I'll say most Square games and Star Wars games are overrated. I'm not saying they're bad (I love KOTOR, FF VI/X, etc.), but some people give them an extra point or two (or more) just because of the fact that they're Square games or Star Wars games. Front Mission 4 is a good example -- I disliked it, but most reviewers scored it high.

Most overrated, in my opinion, is the Mario Party series. I absolutely hate those games and have no idea why anyone can have fun with them. Here's what I think, though, as always, it's just my opinion, and I know others disagree: http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/812E7AA9-CC71-4580-A7A6-D760C349F47D.htm

[onikage]

Threads like this aren't a great idea. :bomb:

But I must defend FF7, it was and is an amazing game. It's also deeper than most of you people give it credit for... [-X

[Scrubking]

Halo and Halo 2 are by far the most overrated games of all time. It is just another multiplayer FPS in the sea of FPS's - and on a console no less.

The second is the MGS series. Part 3 wasn't even a game it was a fucking cgi movie with 2 or 3 minutes of gameplay thrown in every so often. Nuff said.

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

[Trakan]

Halo, it's just an average FPS. There are tons better on the PC.

When you say Halo, I'm guessing you mean the series. Yes, there are alot of better PC FPSs, but that's like comparing apples to oranges. When you compare Halo and Halo 2 to all other console FPSs, there is no comparison. Nothing is better.

[mykevermin]

People mentioning Fable have a good point. It didn't turn out near as good as I hoped, and I quickly forgot about it.

I'll say most Square games and Star Wars games are overrated. I'm not saying they're bad (I love KOTOR, FF VI/X, etc.), but some people give them an extra point or two (or more) just because of the fact that they're Square games or Star Wars games. Front Mission 4 is a good example -- I disliked it, but most reviewers scored it high.

Most overrated, in my opinion, is the Mario Party series. I absolutely hate those games and have no idea why anyone can have fun with them. Here's what I think, though, as always, it's just my opinion, and I know others disagree: http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/812E7AA9-CC71-4580-A7A6-D760C349F47D.htm

Funny, I was thinking that the Donkey Kong Country series was one of the most overrated games I can remember.

It was a fun platformer, don't get me wrong. But because of the graphics technology used to develop the game, it was treated like the second coming of the messiah in previews; anything less than the most stellar platforming experience would have been a disappointment.

And it was a slightly above-average platformer.

Part of me also wants to nominate Killer Instinct.

myke.

[Danimal]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

I couldn't agree more. :applause:

[jaso]

Star Wars: KOTOR

[The Successful Dropout]

the most underated game of all time has got to be "hide and seek"

more adults should play this and i really don't understand why noone will play this with me ;o(

[jam3582]

How bout the sims 1 and all those damn asspac.......errrr expansion packs god did that game bore me to death

[oracrest]

I'm curious as to whether you mean overrated by the publisher, or overrated by the fans, they are two different concepts. One comes from the amount of money that one can shovel into advertising, and the other driven from pure passion of the fans.

I can understand being pissed at a company that over advertises a product, and then fails to deliver (cough, halo 2, cough) but it's kind of stupid to argue over what games people like to play.

It's as dumb as the old what is better, star wars, or star trek, or trying to argue which superhero would win in a fight.....

Let's try to focus our angst at the companies that screw us out of $50 (or in ID's case, 55), and not tell someone else they suck because they loved a certain game.

And for the record, as an objective point, GTA is a revolutionary game, despite it's sophomoric content, and will go down in video game history as one of the most influential games of the decade. Might as well accept that.

[drsuper23]

Killzone to me is a very over rated game. Too much hype as a Halo killer and even though it's a good game, it's not better than Halo.

[Vampire Hunter D]

I need time to think of most overrated but POP:SOT was really overated. It just got too repetitive i quit like hal;fway through. Yet it won a bunch of GOY awards. Now as for underrated Killzone was pretty underated. I thought it was excellent.

[bil4l]

I don't think the first Halo was overrated, I don't remember much hype for it, it kind of just sneaked up on everyone. Halo 2 was probably the most hyped game of all time and while the online play is pretty damn good it's nowhere near as good as three years in devolopment should have made it.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

Halo (haven't played the second one though).

[opportunity777]

LoZ:WW

[soulwish2003]

Final Fantasy VII. Nothing can live up to the hype it was given.

This game DESERVED EVERY BIT OF HYPE! It was groundbreaking...

[Jaxcomet]

Half Life 2.


Details?.......

[ananag112]

Halo 2

[rockhero]

Halo 1 and 2.

[CaseyRyback]

Halo and Halo 2 are by far the most overrated games of all time. It is just another multiplayer FPS in the sea of FPS's - and on a console no less.

The second is the MGS series. Part 3 wasn't even a game it was a shaq-fuing cgi movie with 2 or 3 minutes of gameplay thrown in every so often. Nuff said.

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.


pretty clear to me that you did not even play MGS3. There are almost no cinematics until the end once you start operation Snake Eater.

also I do think GTA 3 was way overrated. Basically the first two games in a different perspective. I will say I did enjoy Vice City a lot though and that game was well worth what it cost me (10 bucks)

[swetooth9]

halo 2...even though its my most played game (on live) right now...it is the most overrated game ever...halo 2 was not 3 years worth of work...however its still good..just WAY too much hype, which it mostly lived up to but not all of it...which makes it overrated :P

[STATIC3D]

Hmmm...good one.

It starts as a toss up between Halo 2 and DooM 3 for me. However, I have to give the final nod to DooM 3 as I saw a LOT more used copies of DooM 3 for sale at game stores (within a short time after the release) than I saw of Halo 2 within the same timeframe.

In either case, I think both games fell short in the gameplay dept compared to what the hype lead people to believe it was supposed/going to be like. Good/great graphics do not = gameplay.

Anywho, Honorable Mention goes to Half-Life 1 for me. The game was a juggernaught of hype for it's time. However, many of the things done in Half-Life were done in SiN first. Unfortunately, Activision pushed the title to store shelves too fast which left it a buggy release. Negative reviews hurt the title which was a GREAT game. Many titles since have "borrowed" elements that were first in SiN (which Half-Life often incorrectly gets credit for having first). :{

[WhipSmartBanky]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

Thinking a game is overrated and hating it are two completely different concepts.

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

[Trakan]

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

:applause:

[vanlandw]

this topic is purely subjective....

[punqsux]

final fantasy 7
/nintendo fanboys

halo
/playstation fanboys

gta
/xbox fanboys

[Scrubking]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

Thinking a game is overrated and hating it are two completely different concepts.

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

Stop being a stupid ass fanboy.

Fact. GTA is the only game on the console market with full open-ended gameplay, or the most open-ended gamplay that is not an online rpg.

Fact. Open-ended gameplay has been labeled by the Industry as not "market friendly" so developers stay away.

Fact. GTA didn't invent open-ended gameplay but it is the only major game out right now that uses it and promotes it. Why? look at fact #2

Fact. If it wasn't for GTA bringing open-ended gameplay into the mainstream, open-ended gameplay would be a long forgotten word.

And for the last part of your quote:
"Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit."

I would like to know where you pulled that out of? Oh, your ass cause I never said that. I don't care who implements open-ended gamplay. I'm am just happy that it is still alive. Your fanboy attitude and hatred of GTA shouldn't let you invent shit to accuse people of.

[greendj27]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

Thinking a game is overrated and hating it are two completely different concepts.

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

Stop being a stupid ass fanboy.

Fact. GTA is the only game on the console market with full open-ended gameplay, or the most open-ended gamplay that is not an online rpg.

Fact. Open-ended gameplay has been labeled by the Industry as not "market friendly" so developers stay away.

Fact. GTA didn't invent open-ended gameplay but it is the only major game out right now that uses it and promotes it. Why? look at fact #2

Fact. If it wasn't for GTA bringing open-ended gameplay into the mainstream, open-ended gameplay would be a long forgotten word.

And for the last part of your quote:
"Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit."

I would like to know where you pulled that out of? Oh, your ass cause I never said that. I don't care who implements open-ended gamplay. I'm am just happy that it is still alive. Your fanboy attitude and hatred of GTA shouldn't let you invent shit to accuse people of.

Stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboy. Just because someone may not like a game that you like does not mean they are automatically a fanboy. And if you want to talk about open ended gameplay, what about MMORPG's? There are others doing it and will continue to be others who do it.

[Trakan]

If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

I would like to know where you pulled that out of? Oh, your ass cause I never said that. I don't care who implements open-ended gamplay. I'm am just happy that it is still alive. Your fanboy attitude and hatred of GTA shouldn't let you invent shit to accuse people of.


Stop being a stupid ass fanboy.

[smellhasreturned]

Halo 2

[Scrubking]

The fact that he attacked me and flamed me for something I didn't say should be proof enough of his fanboy hatred of GTA.

And you seemed to completely miss my point seeing how I mentioned rpgs. I'm not surprised.

[Trakan]

The fact that he attacked me and flamed me for something I didn't say should be proof enough of his fanboy hatred of GTA.

And you seemed to completely miss my point seeing how I mentioned rpgs. I'm not surprised.

Did you even read my post? You did say it. You call him a fanboy? Look at you. You have a GTA avatar, sig, and almost every post I've seen of yours since San Andreas was released has you mentioning it in one way or another.

[MorPhiend]

final fantasy 7
/nintendo fanboys

halo
/playstation fanboys

gta
/xbox fanboys

Hey punq... What if we named all of the above? Does that mean I'm an Amiga fanboy? O:)

[greendj27]

seemed to completely miss my point seeing how I mentioned rpgs. I'm not surprised.

No I saw that you mentioned rpg's, but you just wanted to skip that point and proclaim GTA to be the inventor and sole producer of open ended gameplay. Sorry but if anyone is acting like a fanboy, its you.

[safer_sephiroth]

the grand theft auto series takes the cake by a long shot. halo would be second.

[Mr.Answer]

I think it is really hard to make a claim as to 'overrated game' as everyone has their own taste. And besides is there a formula somewhere that I missed that one plugs in 1. The level of hype/advertisments 2. Hours played 3. cost. 4 level of enjoyment of the hours played = level of 'overrated/underrated/rated just right?

The polls that ask what is the most underrater..overrated.. etc reminds me of goldilocks and the three bears. Well Goldilocks thought one bed was too hard, one was too soft, and one was just right. Well you know that bed that Ms. Locks thought was too hard-- papa bear liked, that porridge that she thought too cold, well Mama bear liked. That game that MrX loves, well MrZ hates, that game that MrZ loves Mrxhates. But again perhaps I am simply a newbie and have not found that aforementioned formula.

[RedvsBlue]

Why has it become so chic to hate the popular games like Halo 2 and GTA SA? I mean seriously do people think they're gonna be cooler if they don't like a game? As far as Halo 2 being overrated? Yeah sure the single player is nothing special but where the game really shines is online. The sheer number of people playing this game on Live lead me to believe that not everybody could hate it. As far as GTA I don't feel as if any of the hype said that this game would be revolutionary. Looking at GTA 3 versus San Andreas, the game has made a LOT of improvements: graphically, storyline, gameplay, options, etc.

Whenever I see these overrated/overhypped threads (which seems to be every other week) the first thing I think is that its some person wanting to voice their opinion about not liking a popular/high selling game. Usually I'm right.

[Scrubking]

Why has it become so chic to hate the popular games like Halo 2 and GTA SA? I mean seriously do people think they're gonna be cooler if they don't like a game? As far as Halo 2 being overrated? Yeah sure the single player is nothing special but where the game really shines is online. The sheer number of people playing this game on Live lead me to believe that not everybody could hate it. As far as GTA I don't feel as if any of the hype said that this game would be revolutionary. Looking at GTA 3 versus San Andreas, the game has made a LOT of improvements: graphically, storyline, gameplay, options, etc.

Whenever I see these overrated/overhypped threads (which seems to be every other week) the first thing I think is that its some person wanting to voice their opinion about not liking a popular/high selling game. Usually I'm right.

Word

[WhipSmartBanky]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

Thinking a game is overrated and hating it are two completely different concepts.

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

Stop being a stupid ass fanboy.

Fact. GTA is the only game on the console market with full open-ended gameplay, or the most open-ended gamplay that is not an online rpg.

Fact. Open-ended gameplay has been labeled by the Industry as not "market friendly" so developers stay away.

Fact. GTA didn't invent open-ended gameplay but it is the only major game out right now that uses it and promotes it. Why? look at fact #2

Fact. If it wasn't for GTA bringing open-ended gameplay into the mainstream, open-ended gameplay would be a long forgotten word.

And for the last part of your quote:
"Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit."

I would like to know where you pulled that out of? Oh, your ass cause I never said that. I don't care who implements open-ended gamplay. I'm am just happy that it is still alive. Your fanboy attitude and hatred of GTA shouldn't let you invent shit to accuse people of.

Stupid ass fanboy? You are the fucking LAST person on this site who needs to be calling ANYONE a fanboy. Do I need to dig up every GTA-praising topic you've ever made?

As for your other point, I QUOTED you, that's where I pulled it out of. You specifically said, "If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist..." That's a bunch of balogna, and you know it.

As for the rest, I didn't attack or flame you. At worst, I said if you honestly believed what you said you were full of shit, which is my opinion. I didn't call you any names, fanboy or otherwise, but if that's the tone you want to take in reply to me, so be it. You're only making yourself look foolish.

[Scrubking]

And I want to say something about all the GTA haters. Do you realize that GTA is the only game on a console that is pioneering open-ended gameplay? No other game does that so that automatically makes this series unique and underrated. If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist, but a lot of gamers are too dumb to see that.

Thinking a game is overrated and hating it are two completely different concepts.

Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit.

Stop being a stupid ass fanboy.

Fact. GTA is the only game on the console market with full open-ended gameplay, or the most open-ended gamplay that is not an online rpg.

Fact. Open-ended gameplay has been labeled by the Industry as not "market friendly" so developers stay away.

Fact. GTA didn't invent open-ended gameplay but it is the only major game out right now that uses it and promotes it. Why? look at fact #2

Fact. If it wasn't for GTA bringing open-ended gameplay into the mainstream, open-ended gameplay would be a long forgotten word.

And for the last part of your quote:
"Also, if you honestly believe nobody else would've ever thought of "open-ended gameplay" if the creators of GTA didn't implement it in their games, you're full of shit."

I would like to know where you pulled that out of? Oh, your ass cause I never said that. I don't care who implements open-ended gamplay. I'm am just happy that it is still alive. Your fanboy attitude and hatred of GTA shouldn't let you invent shit to accuse people of.

Stupid ass fanboy? You are the shaq-fuing LAST person on this site who needs to be calling ANYONE a fanboy. Do I need to dig up every GTA-praising topic you've ever made?

As for your other point, I QUOTED you, that's where I pulled it out of. You specifically said, "If GTA died open-ended gameplay wouldn't exist..." That's a bunch of balogna, and you know it.

As for the rest, I didn't attack or flame you. At worst, I said if you honestly believed what you said you were full of shit, which is my opinion. I didn't call you any names, fanboy or otherwise, but if that's the tone you want to take in reply to me, so be it. You're only making yourself look foolish.

The fact is I said something about GTA and you said I "was full of shit". But you're right. It's all my fault for responding completely unprovoked. :roll:

[WhipSmartBanky]

But you're right. It's all my fault for responding completely unprovoked. :roll:

Thank you for admitting that. Asshole.

Oopsy. Now THAT's provocation.

[Scrubking]

But you're right. It's all my fault for responding completely unprovoked. :roll:

Thank you for admitting that. Asshole.

Oopsy. Now THAT's provocation.

You're right you fucking piece of shit.

[MorPhiend]

I think this needs a lock...

[WhipSmartBanky]

But you're right. It's all my fault for responding completely unprovoked. :roll:

Thank you for admitting that. Asshole.

Oopsy. Now THAT's provocation.

You're right you shaq-fuing piece of shit.

LOLarbears!

[Mr.Answer]

We all need to listen to some Black Eyed Peas. cause I keeping asking myself "Where is the love? where is the love? where is the love? where is the love the love the love?

[bhfgamer]

Most overrated game ever Metroid Prime. The GBA Fusion was awesome but I just couldn't get into this game. I also think that Virtua Fighter 4 was WAY overrated.

[punqsux]

banky and scrubking, if you have to flame each other, could you take it to PMs?

EDIT:
banky, is there a LOLerbears pic? ive heard it used but havent seen a pic =o\

[zewone]

I think this needs a lock...

I agree. Fanboy topic for fanboys to rant.

[WhipSmartBanky]

banky and scrubking, if you have to flame each other, could you take it to PMs?

EDIT:
banky, is there a LOLerbears pic? ive heard it used but havent seen a pic =o\

No, but I should probably make one...that'd be great!

[safer_sephiroth]

Whenever I see these overrated/overhypped threads (which seems to be every other week) the first thing I think is that its some person wanting to voice their opinion about not liking a popular/high selling game. Usually I'm right.

That's because they don't deserve to be a popular/high selling game.

[swetooth9]

Why has it become so chic to hate the popular games like Halo 2 and GTA SA? I mean seriously do people think they're gonna be cooler if they don't like a game? As far as Halo 2 being overrated? Yeah sure the single player is nothing special but where the game really shines is online. The sheer number of people playing this game on Live lead me to believe that not everybody could hate it. As far as GTA I don't feel as if any of the hype said that this game would be revolutionary. Looking at GTA 3 versus San Andreas, the game has made a LOT of improvements: graphically, storyline, gameplay, options, etc.

Whenever I see these overrated/overhypped threads (which seems to be every other week) the first thing I think is that its some person wanting to voice their opinion about not liking a popular/high selling game. Usually I'm right.

i dont know about the others...but i personally LIKE halo 2...its just that it was overrated that's all...it didnt live up to the hype, but was still a good game anyway...it just had TOO MUCH hype...and couldnt deliver ---> overrated

[zewone]

swetooth9 - So because you listen to people hype the game up before you played it its overated? I mean jeez, you like the game, its not the games fault it got hyped why call it overrated? I don't get your reasoning at all.

[Mr.Answer]

Everygame is beautiful...in its own way..
Everygame is wonderful each and every day

[MorPhiend]

Everygame is beautiful...in its own way..
Everygame is wonderful each and every day
Are you sure..............?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/index.html?q=big+rigs

Go there and click on the Video Review.

[gamemasterjd]

halo2 HL2 and zelda. WILL THE MADNESS NEVER STOP?!?!?!

[Ledhed]

/Completely Objective Opinion.

I'm glad we're all in agreement. :roll:

[swetooth9]

swetooth9 - So because you listen to people hype the game up before you played it its overated? I mean jeez, you like the game, its not the games fault it got hyped why call it overrated? I don't get your reasoning at all.

i mean...ppl were priasing it like it was the 2nd coming of Jesus or something....however it wasn't THAT good...but it is still a great game, i just think it didn't live up to what i thought it would be...

[opportunity777]

Duke Nukem Forever

[Mr.Answer]

duke nukem.. thats cheating :)

what the heck is you sig about opportunity?

[Trakan]

what the heck is you sig about opportunity?

Trust me, you don't want to know.

[Mr.Answer]

Everygame is beautiful...in its own way..
Everygame is wonderful each and every day
Are you sure..............?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/index.html?q=big+rigs

Go there and click on the Video Review.

Yes every game.. Hmm Big rigs had a truck smashing a HP car on the box.....had a catchy name......ummmm ummmm

[RedvsBlue]

Whenever I see these overrated/overhypped threads (which seems to be every other week) the first thing I think is that its some person wanting to voice their opinion about not liking a popular/high selling game. Usually I'm right.

That's because they don't deserve to be a popular/high selling game.

So if you don't like it then no one else deserves to like it either? Hey can I get Mercenaries this week or is it not going to meet your standards?

[msdmoney]

swetooth9 - So because you listen to people hype the game up before you played it its overated? I mean jeez, you like the game, its not the games fault it got hyped why call it overrated? I don't get your reasoning at all.

We are talking about games that are overated not overhyped. Halo 2 recieved perfect/near perfect scores from many magazines, despite what I would call a good but not great single player campaign. Therefore I would call that overated, has nothing to do with hype (although that influenced the inflated scores), but if we are talking overated in many people's opinion it fits that category.

[swetooth9]

swetooth9 - So because you listen to people hype the game up before you played it its overated? I mean jeez, you like the game, its not the games fault it got hyped why call it overrated? I don't get your reasoning at all.

We are talking about games that are overated not overhyped. Halo 2 recieved perfect/near perfect scores from many magazines, despite what I would call a good but not great single player campaign. Therefore I would call that overated, has nothing to do with hype (although that influenced the inflated scores), but if we are talking overated in many people's opinion it fits that category.

yea, sorry about that zewone, msdmoney :oops: i kind of get those two mixed up...but yea, they fit both bills...

[greendj27]

swetooth9 - So because you listen to people hype the game up before you played it its overated? I mean jeez, you like the game, its not the games fault it got hyped why call it overrated? I don't get your reasoning at all.

We are talking about games that are overated not overhyped. Halo 2 recieved perfect/near perfect scores from many magazines, despite what I would call a good but not great single player campaign. Therefore I would call that overated, has nothing to do with hype (although that influenced the inflated scores), but if we are talking overated in many people's opinion it fits that category.

Most people bought Halo 2 for the multiplayer. That needs to be included if you are going to decide if you think the game is overrated. Think about it this way, a game like Final Fantasy only has a single player, so that needs to be great. A game like Halo has both, so it needs to be analyzed on all of its game play, not just single player. If you still think its overrated, that is your choice, but the entire game needs to be considered, not jsut one aspect (single player).

[hiccupleftovers]

Well this probably should have been locked early on since it is a great thread to incite fanboys and great flames but I guess I'll throw my hat in the flames. I've said it before and I'll say it again Halo 1/2 are the most overrated games in existence. If you care for me to go into more detail just ask. I'll give you a real answer.

[Trakan]

Well, it's calmed down now, and I doubt it will start up again. If it does, I'll lock it up.

[rsangy]

I would have to say 007 Rogue agent!

[thegamer4787]

Any Resident Evil game 0-3 (havent played 4 yet) and Grand Theft Auto game IMO. BTW, awesome avatar Rihan.

[doodle777_98]

Halo 2 of course.

[saber07]

I dont think a lot of ppl understand the "over rated" concept. Its not "over hyped". Over rated means it got outstanding reviews and acclaim that it shouldnt have. Hype has to do with the expectations of the game.

Halo is definately the most over-rated game i would say.

[nixts]

GTA: Vice City

[lurknomore]

Halo and Halo 2.....um, if you've ever played a FPS with a mouse and keyboard, you'd understand. Great games, but they are legendary just because they are on consoles.

[Matrix2k3]

Final Fantasy 7, most overrated RPG ever. It's good but far from the best, cant believe it got voted best game ever on game FAQs.

[FriskyTanuki]

Final Fantasy 7, most overrated RPG ever. It's good but far from the best, cant believe it got voted best game ever on game FAQs.

It's GameFAQs, they're all FFVII fanboys.

[sisco1986]

This isn't a great topic, considering everyones going to be stepping on each otheres toes with there opinions. For me the most over rated game, Halo. I've played better First Person Shooters on more out dated consoles. The story was good and the AI was great but I just didn't get the boner from playing it like everyone else got.

[Ledhed]

This isn't a great topic, considering everyones going to be stepping on each otheres toes with there opinions. For me the most over rated game, Halo. I've played better First Person Shooters on more out dated consoles. The story was good and the AI was great but I just didn't get the boner from playing it like everyone else got.

HUGE boner right here.

Yeah, you're right. Nothing but toe-stepping in this thread. :lol:

[Parathod]

Star Wars: KOTOR

agreed

[CaseyRyback]

I can't believe how everyone thinks the story in Halo is so top notch. IMO it is generic. The game is pretty good, but the hype behind it is totally unwarranted (this comes from someone who has beaten the game close to 7 times) .

NOLF 2 blows this out of the water story wise.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Final Fantasy 7, most overrated RPG ever. It's good but far from the best, cant believe it got voted best game ever on game FAQs.

It's GameFAQs, they're all FFVII fanboys.

I don't think I've ever read a thread there that didn't contain a post by somebody with "Cloud" or "Sephiroth" in their username.

[masta0031]

i know im gona be steping on toes with this one...all of the zelda's, i havent found an ounce of fun in any of these games yet i keep forceing myself to play though them to see what everyone else sees in this series

[camoor]

Everygame is beautiful...in its own way..
Everygame is wonderful each and every day

Except for Splinter Cell

As Homer says "BO-RING!!"

[MadFlava]

"Enter the Matrix" how on earth did this turd of a game sold so many copies with it's inexcusible bugs and horrid controls. It was universally panned by critics but still the uninformed "average" gamer went out and bought a copy because it has "Matrix" in the title

[Renegade_Zero]

Soul Calibur 2. If you can remember the hype. I said two weeks after the game came out, no one would be talking about it. Everyone laughed at me. I was right. :cry:

I almost started crying it was so bad..... I was gonna buy a dreamcast again just so I could get the original..

[FriskyTanuki]

ESPN NFL 2K5

Plays like crap, looks unrealistic, and definitely not a Madden-killer.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

That game i played with your mom last night...what was it called...oh yeah! Hide the Sausage! ;)

[-Never4ever-]

ESPN NFL 2K5

Plays like crap, looks unrealistic, and definitely not a Madden-killer.

:rofl:

Funny joke, please, tell another.

I hate these fucking topics, but if there was one game over hyped, one game so asinine, so disgusting that its very existence is pissing me off, it would have to be the entire fucking Madden series. The entire series simply defines the word "okay".

BTW it was the Madden killer. . . untill EA weant ahead and killed ESPN :(

[Mr. Anderson]

That game i played with your mom last night...what was it called...oh yeah! Hide the Sausage! ;)

You mean Hide the Salami? Nice one.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

That game i played with your mom last night...what was it called...oh yeah! Hide the Sausage! ;)

You mean Hide the Salami? Nice one.

Naw. I'm happy with my sausage. it is a summer sausage. And moms everywhere are happy with it as well.

[marmilin]

Castle Vania ALL of them
Grand Theft Auto All of them
Katamari Damacy
Metal Gear Solid ALL
Monster Rancher All
Harvest Moon ALL
Metroid All
Final Fantasy ALL
Resident Evil ALL
Devil May Cry ALL
Onimusha ALL
KOTOR ALL
Halo ALL

[Chuckiefresh]

I own all 3 of the major consoles (xbox, ps2, gamecube), but I find Nintendo games that are based on classic characters are regularly overated. Imho, gaming mags and websites generally give them unduly high scores. Not sure of the reason for this, perhaps some feelings of old school nostalgia that reminds them of the games of their youth.

A few games I can think of off the top of my head are:

Metroid Prime: I found the game terribly boring and the control/view setup was horrendous.

Zelda-Wind Waker: The lack of violence and adult themes kept me from getting into the game. I like to see a little blood in my games, especially if I'm killing something.

Mario Sunshine: I was a fan of many Mario games back in the day but this one was just a bit too childish for my tastes.

To some the mere mention of Samus, Link, or Mario in a negative light is sacrilege. I should add that all of these Nintendo icons have had some great games in the past, but I've found the ones on the Gamecube lacking. The upcoming Zelda title looks excellent though, I must say.

[punqsux]

Zelda-Wind Waker: The lack of violence and adult themes kept me from getting into the game. I like to see a little blood in my games, especially if I'm killing something.

Mario Sunshine: I was a fan of many Mario games back in the day but this one was just a bit too childish for my tastes.

The upcoming Zelda title looks excellent though, I must say.

looks like someone judges their games by an esrb rating

[Rozz]

I really didnt enjoy Resident Evil, and I would have to say thats extremely overrated.

[opportunity777]

GameCube games made by Nintendo ... some of them are very good, but they are still way overrated. Wind Waker is the worst Zelda game ever and that includes the CD-I versions, since everyone figured they would be bad anyways when they were released for the CD-I.

[jclast]

Driv3r

Stupid spelling, great reviews, terrible game.

[hfs991hfs]

Most FF games, and MGS3. Damn, MGS3 is like 7.5/10 at best.

[hfs991hfs]

Driv3r

Stupid spelling, great reviews, terrible game.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/driver3/review.html
http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=1277
http://pc.ign.com/articles/598/598109p1.html
http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/755/DRIV3R/p1/
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/47931/Driv3r_Review.html
http://www.gamerarchive.com/site/reviews/xbox/driv3r.php
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=xbox&game=driv3r

"great reviews" Wtf??

[jclast]

For whatever reason, I think the first I read was Game Informer, and I'm pretty sure they gave it a great review.

Also, maybe rave first impressions would have been a more accurate statement.

[hiccupleftovers]

looks like someone judges their games by an esrb rating

Yup, to me at least that sounded what a GameFAQsish teenager would post. not enough blood in the game. Ugghhh A game doesn't have to be enjoyable only if it has gore and violence and streams of blood all over.

[Chuckiefresh]

Did I say that any game without blood is terrible?

I simply said I like to see a little blood if there is killing involved. The blood makes my gaming time a more realistic and immersive experience.

Sounds to me like someone needs to stop jumping to conclusions. You're calling me a Gamefaqish teenager? If your grammar and rash judgement are any indication, then you may need to take a look in the mirror.

[hutno]

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/driver3/review.html
http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=1277
http://pc.ign.com/articles/598/598109p1.html
http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/755/DRIV3R/p1/
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/47931/Driv3r_Review.html
http://www.gamerarchive.com/site/reviews/xbox/driv3r.php
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=xbox&game=driv3r

"great reviews" Wtf??

WHen the game came out atari told comp[anies the only way they could get the game early would be if they gave the game a great review. I think when that info was released, the magazines and sites changed their reviews

[ElwoodCuse]

I'd say Final Fantasy VII over Halo 2 just because the PS1/PS2 has a far larger installed base.

But if you do it per capita, then maybe I'd say Halo 2.

[doraemonkerpal]

When you say Halo, I'm guessing you mean the series. Yes, there are alot of better PC FPSs, but that's like comparing apples to oranges. When you compare Halo and Halo 2 to all other console FPSs, there is no comparison. Nothing is better.

imho, i think that halo is too overrated. it's a good game, but after hearing about it for almost a year and finally playing it, i didn't feel satisfied after i finished the game. the repetitive levels seemed like a chore to go through and i played it non-stop just to see what the ending was going to be like. the controls, voice acting, etc were great but the level design really killed it for me. i recently finished time splitters future perfect and i thought it was a much better game. btw, i have never played halo online so i'm speaking from a single player perspective :)

[Monsta Mack]

Well if were going by review scores in total *goes to gamerankings.com*

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Runner up? Chrono Cross

[Zer0X1999]

Grand Theft Auto: VC. Everyone and their mother was saying how geat the game is and how it's so addicting. Played it for about two hours and I felt totally bored and ripped off, my time would have been better spent staring at flies having sex.

[GuilewasNK]

The Sonic games on the Genesis.

Great character but that is about it. The gameplay is gimmicky at best.

[Ozzkev55]

Big Rigs Over The Road Racing
Doom 3

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Big Rigs Over The Road Racing
Doom 3

I disagree about Doom 3, but hey, to each his own.

And, I say Halo 2.

[Ozzkev55]

I disagree about Doom 3, but hey, to each his own.

And, I say Halo 2.
Big Rigs is my #1 choice...despite having a 1.0 rating on gamespot, lowest in history...even that was too high

[Nirvanaguy777]

Halo, Halo 2, GTA 3- VC & SA.

[ChoiceStriker]

I love the GTA series and I've had hours of fun playing them, but I really think the extremely high scores for San Andreas were not justified. To me, the gameplay additions weren't enough to offset some of the more serious flaws:

1. Graphics - I don't think I'm a graphics whore, but the character models and textures were not up to par for a game this late in the PS2's lifespan. Character animation was fine, but everything looked very blurry and primitive up close. Also, some of the lighting effects made it impossible to see what you were doing. I know they were going for a realistic and cinematic feel, but when headed due west at sunset, you often completely disappeared because of the contrast.

2. Character customization - The tattoos, haircuts, and clothes shopping was neat, but the load times for the different items were ridiculous. I don't understand why they couldn't have let you preview the items before having to go back and forth from the changing room to see what you looked like. It was just too time-consuming, and I ended up not bothering with it much at all. Even PS1 games have had better systems for this type of thing.

3. Aiming - This was a much more serious problem for me than the graphics or customization. No matter how much anybody says the aiming system was improved from the first two games, I had a lot of trouble locking on to targets accurately. I can't count the number of times I tried to lock on to someone and turned completely the opposite direction, or somehow managed to shoot straight into the air, resulting in my promptly getting killed

4. Repetitive / overly long missions - I guess all the games in the series have suffered from this, but it was frustrating to have to do a mission again and again if you failed it the first couple of times. A lot of the missions seemed to involve driving for several minutes to one location, or to have conditions for success that were just too demanding (trying to drive across town without damaging your car one bit, etc.). There were times I spent half an hour trying to complete one mission.

I really think that these flaws, in a game that didn't bear the GTA name, would have resulted in MUCH lower scores - probably in the low to mid 7's. Don't get me wrong, I had fun with the game, but I don't think it deserved high 9's and perfect scores. That's my take on it and I've tried to give my reasons as best I could. I'm interested to hear what anyone else thinks.

[help1]

GTA VC, I dont think halo 2 was over hyped, unless you looked at all the magazines and revlolved your life around it, but for me, I knew it COULDNT live up to the hype gaming sites were giving it, so I didnt read any of it.

[kill3r7]

I'm sorry but I have to defend halo here. You show me another FPS on a console that's better than it and we can talk about it. It can be over hyped and overrated all you want but it still is the best FPS on console so until someone can tell me of a better FPS on a console shut it.

[jclast]

I'm sorry but I have to defend halo here. You show me another FPS on a console that's better than it and we can talk about it. It can be over hyped and overrated all you want but it still is the best FPS on console so until someone can tell me of a better FPS on a console shut it.

Metroid Prime

Unique control system, actually good story, and the best translation from 2-D to 3-D any game has every seen (including Zelda). FPS games like Halo belong on the PC where they can be played with a keyboard and mouse.

I'd also say Red Faction (I played on the PS2) was better than Halo. The story pulled me in more than Halo's did. Variety of weapons was good, and I actually cared about winning. I felt for the main character and his cause. The only thing I felt for Master Chief was that he was a gun-toting badass who happened to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

[whoknows]

I'm sorry but I have to defend halo here. You show me another FPS on a console that's better than it and we can talk about it. It can be over hyped and overrated all you want but it still is the best FPS on console so until someone can tell me of a better FPS on a console shut it.


Metroid Prime and Timesplitters 2/3

I also agree that Metroid Prime was the best translation from 2D - 3D. Well, maybe not the best but one of the best. I dont know about its story though :?

[jclast]

Metroid Prime ... I dont know about its story though

I meant it has a good story for an FPS. And the way that story is told was great. You only had to scan what you wanted so you got as much or as little story as you wanted. You could dig into the history of the planet or just rush through, collect stuff, and kill bosses.

As far as Metroid games go, the only story that was better (in my opinion...and I haven't played Echoes yet so I don't know about that one) was Metroid Fusion, but it took a serious hit at gameplay to get it. Far too linear for a Metroid.

[kill3r7]

Metroid prime is not a real FPS plus it lacks the great multiplayer. I love it as a game but it's not the same game as halo.

As far as Timesplitters 2/3, I think they are overrated. Their multiplayer is no where as good as Halo and the game just doesn't feel as good as halo. Feel free to ask anyone who plays FPS on consoles and they'll tell you that halo it's as good as it gets.

As far as PC FPS it's no where as good as Half-life or Far Cry (which in my opinion is very underrated).

[jclast]

Metroid prime is not a real FPS

You spend 95% of the game in first person, and you shoot things. How is it not a first person shooter? Maybe it's not what you look for in a first person shooter, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fit in the genre.

And don't say it's the controls either. Goldeneye on N64 used a single stick for movement, and it was an FPS.

[b3b0p]

This is the easiest decision I will ever make my entire life...

Secret of Evermore


Chris

[whoknows]

Metroid prime is not a real FPS plus it lacks the great multiplayer. I love it as a game but it's not the same game as halo.

Metroid Prime is an FPS, I dont know where you got the idea that it isnt. And no, it isnt the same game as Halo which isnt a bad thing, Its different and unique which is what makes it so great.


As far as Timesplitters 2/3, I think they are overrated. Their multiplayer is no where as good as Halo and the game just doesn't feel as good as halo.

And for Timesplitters, there are a ton of unlockables, cool minigames and other things like that to keep you playing it for a long long time.



Feel free to ask anyone who plays FPS on consoles and they'll tell you that halo it's as good as it gets.

Yes, I'm sure thats the case /sarcasm

[kill3r7]

You spend 95% of the game in first person, and you shoot things. How is it not a first person shooter? Maybe it's not what you look for in a first person shooter, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fit in the genre.

And don't say it's the controls either. Goldeneye on N64 used a single stick for movement, and it was an FPS.

Goldeneye (IMO the greatest fps on console period) was made prior to the use of 2 analog sticks. NO excuse for the crappy controls in Metroid Prime. Decide what you want either a FPS or a platformer game. I thought Oddworld SW did a good job with switching between the 2 sets of controls. I'm sorry to say this but NGC is not made for a first person shooter. The C stick isn't sensitive enough.

Let's put it this way if you have a group of people in a room it's easier for them to pick up and play halo than to play metroid prime 1/2. Plenty of my friends who are great at FPS can't play metroid even if their lives depended on it. I understand that it's a great game in its own right but it's not Halo nor does it claim to be. Metroid Prime is at best a FPS/Adventure game from a first person's perspective.

[jclast]

Metroid Prime is at best a FPS/Adventure game from a first person's perspective ...

... in which you shoot things, thus securely placing it in the genre of first person shooter. The genre isn't defined by a control scheme.

[kill3r7]

Metroid Prime is an FPS, I dont know where you got the idea that it isnt. And no, it isnt the same game as Halo which isnt a bad thing, Its different and unique which is what makes it so great.



And for Timesplitters, there are a ton of unlockables, cool minigames and other things like that to keep you playing it for a long long time.




Yes, I'm sure thats the case /sarcasm

Well, all you have to do is look at the amount of people that play the game online or offline. I don't remember the last time there was a Timesplitters tournament at my school. Yet, there is a ton of Halo tournaments and clans. Just look at the number of people who play halo online alone. All those people can't be wrong.

As far as metroid prime goes. I said it's one of my favorite games but it's not a true FPS, you can only strafe while you are locked on (something that no real fps should do). The controls just don't feel right. The C stick is no where as responsive.

[kill3r7]

... in which you shoot things, thus securely placing it in the genre of first person shooter. The genre isn't defined by a control scheme.

Well if that's the case would you consider Breakdown for the xbox a fps or a first person perspective adventure game.

[jclast]

... true FPS ...

Do you work in the industry? Do you have access to design documentation and definitions that I don't? How long have been the be all and end all of FPS definition?

FPS stands for FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

The only requirements for an FPS are these:
1) The game is played in first person.
2) You shoot things.

If there were control scheme restrictions the genre would be DSFPS (Dual Stick First Person Shooter).

[whoknows]

Well, all you have to do is look at the amount of people that play the game online or offline. I don't remember the last time there was a Timesplitters tournament at my school. Yet, there is a ton of Halo tournaments and clans. Just look at the number of people who play halo online alone. All those people can't be wrong.

As far as metroid prime goes. I said it's one of my favorite games but it's not a true FPS, you can only strafe while you are locked on (something that no real fps should do). The controls just don't feel right. The C stick is no where as responsive.


Yeah, because Timesplitters 2 was such a huge online game, and Timesplitters 3 has a good amount of people playing online.

Metroid Prime is a true FPS, and you can also strafe in Halo!! Wow did you know that!! And the C-stick is used to change weapons in Metroid Prime, so I dont see what you are complaining about.

[jngx80]

FF7 is overrated. It wasn't revolutionary but it opened up gaming to a bigger audience because of the pretty graphics and added more "graphic whores" than real gamers. FFX is my favorite not because of story or characters but the new battle system - seriously folks the ATB system sucked.

GTA is also overrated. People give it too much credit and back when GTA: SA was about to come out, magazines were doing pieces about how GTA series changed gaming. GTA has huge flaws: the missions are pretty boring, the world isn't that fun (NPCs are always saying the same old phrases, so it doesn't feel interactive or real), driving isn't all that great control wise and shooting/punching/jumping is horrible. Actually now that I think about it, GTA has a lot of similarities to the Dynasty Warriors series.

[kill3r7]

Do you work in the industry? Do you have access to design documentation and definitions that I don't? How long have been the be all and end all of FPS definition?

FPS stands for FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

The only requirements for an FPS are these:
1) The game is played in first person.
2) You shoot things.

If there were control scheme restrictions the genre would be DSFPS (Dual Stick First Person Shooter).

Ok well I made my point. All i'm saying is that halo is not bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's easy to bash it because it's so popular but it's a great game in it's own right.

[jeffreyjrose]

FABLE. nuff said

[jclast]

I never said Halo was bad. I just like other FPS games more. What I will say about Halo, however, is that it got far more than its fair share of hype, and it's not the best game ever.

That title of 'best game ever,' in my opinion, belongs to Final Fantasy Tactics and Front Mission 3, but I'm biased to the SRPG.

[whoknows]

The point was that Halo was overrated, not a bad game.

When a game is hyped more than the second coming of Jesus, it is overrated.

[kill3r7]

Yeah, because Timesplitters 2 was such a huge online game, and Timesplitters 3 has a good amount of people playing online.

Metroid Prime is a true FPS, and you can also strafe in Halo!! Wow did you know that!! And the C-stick is used to change weapons in Metroid Prime, so I dont see what you are complaining about.

Hey I know you can strafe in halo that's my point. you can only do that in Metroid Prime while you are locked on. And you need the C stick so you aren't locked on to the enemy the entire time.

[kill3r7]

I was only trying to defend halo because it seems that the masses feel that it's totally overrated and overrated= not such a good game. Over hyped is a totally different thing. That I'll agree with. Halo 2 was over hyped but not necesseraly over rated.

[jclast]

you can only do [strafe] in Metroid Prime while you are locked on

If the game is designed in such a way that strafing is unneccessary unless you are locked onto an enemy, is this really a flaw? Strafing is a much more valuable action when you can't lock on. And I, for one, appreciate lock-on more than always being able to strafe.

Also, overrated doesn't mean bad, it means made out to be better than it is. If a bad game is said to be good, it is overrated. If a good game is said to be great it is overrated. If a great game is said to be perfect it is overrated. Nobody (me at least) said Halo was bad, just overrated.

[kill3r7]

Fable and Driv3r(this game totally sucked) it didn't even deserve the score it got.

[whoknows]

Halo is overrated as in people saying its the best game ever....which it isnt. Not best FPS, but best Game overall, and I find that extremley annoying.

Its a good game, just not best game ever.

[Mr.Answer]

Madden 200x .... that game is on advertised everywhere.... and now the 'new' one will be coming up. Don't get me wrong I think its a decent game but that thing is just hyped to death each year for not very big improvements.

[kill3r7]

IMO Zelda OoT is the best game ever.

[kill3r7]

Sports games shouldn't count. They are an improvement from the last installment which usually means that the next game will be better.

[jclast]

IMO Zelda OoT is the best game ever.

It was good, but I thought the controls were clunky. The controls from Wind Waker are how a 3-D LoZ should control, regardless of what you thought of the story or the graphics.

Control issues aside, it was a great game. Quite possibly the best on the N64.

Ogre Battle 64, Paper Mario, and Goldeneye 007 are right up there, too.

[jclast]

Bah. Sports games suck. They should only be allowed to sell a "new" one every 3 years or so. Sell the new rosters as expansion packs and actually innovate between releases if you ever want me to buy a sports game again.

Also, don't buy exclusive rights to leagues. Nothing hurts games more than removing the competition.

EDIT: This is my favorite thread here so far. I love being able to have an actual conversation about games where I don't have to convince somebody I'm not weird for liking video games.

[JSweeney]

I was only trying to defend halo because it seems that the masses feel that it's totally overrated and overrated= not such a good game. Over hyped is a totally different thing. That I'll agree with. Halo 2 was over hyped but not necesseraly over rated.

No, overrated means that it's veiwed with higher esteem than it reasonably should be.

Halo and Halo 2 are good games, but do they really deserve the plethora of perfect 10 ratings they got?

[help1]

This thread is filled with opinions... As for people saying metriod prime, it is a better game.... if you only like single player. As for TS 2 and 3, theres a reason why more people play halo 2 that those games, cause halo 2 IS better, by how much however, is argueable.

AGAIN, THATS MY OPINION.

[help1]

No, overrated means that it's veiwed with higher esteem than it reasonably should be.

Halo and Halo 2 are good games, but do they really deserve the plethora of perfect 10 ratings they got?


Well, you see, no one gave the game a solid 100, cause many magazines go by scores that are whole numbers, not decimals, so if it was 5/5, it deserves it cause a 4/5 just isnt right

But for the magazines that go 9.5 out of 10, well if they gave ti a 10, then Its a LOW ten (meaning a 9.7).

[kill3r7]

No, overrated means that it's veiwed with higher esteem than it reasonably should be.

Halo and Halo 2 are good games, but do they really deserve the plethora of perfect 10 ratings they got?

IMO yes. They are the best game in their genre (on console) so yes they do deserve the scores they got. If you like FPS Halo is the best game out there again on console not on PC(that's a totally different matter). If you play a lot of other FPS, you are going to see the difference between halo/halo2 and them and it's a huge difference.

Overhyped IMO = higher esteem that it reasonably should be. Fable would be an example of this as it's overhyped but not necesseraly overrated.

[purpleshaman]

Halo 2, because its droves of fans make it out to be like it is the greatest thing that has ever happened to FPS games ever, when it wasn't. It was a very very average FPS and didn't deserve any of the stellar praise it garnered.

[pdat2003]

Halo. Enough said. End of story.

[GuilewasNK]

Pac-Man is one of the most overrated IMO. It only had one screen. Ms. Pac-Man is LEAGUES better.

Mortal Kombat was WAY overrated. People still play SF2 and KOF a lot more compared to the (2D) MK games. The controls were stiff. The combo system was awful. The thing it had was fatalities and some cool characters. That's all.

Has DDF listed every game known to mankind except Viewtiful Joe yet?


I don't think the Halo games are overrated at all especially when you consider the Halo 2 multiplayer component which is better than any other console game out there.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

I'm sorry but I have to defend halo here. You show me another FPS on a console that's better than it and we can talk about it. It can be over hyped and overrated all you want but it still is the best FPS on console so until someone can tell me of a better FPS on a console shut it.

Red Faction
Turok 2


Now, I will say, Halo 1 was an awesome game, and I love it to death, but, Halo 2 sucks. It turned me off on Halo.

[zewone]

Half Life 2

[Ozzkev55]

Freedom Fighters
it was too short in length, and despite being innovate, had a repititive multiplayer, with only 4 maps to its name

[RaekwonThaChef]

Half Life 2.

^^^^from 1st page^^^^

old thread, huh zewone ;)

:lol:

[CaseyRyback]

Freedom Fighters
it was too short in length, and despite being innovate, had a repititive multiplayer, with only 4 maps to its name

yep. It is about the lamest game I have ever played from this generation. I can't think of a game I have personally played that has bored me more. I am just glad it tanked and Eidos bought Io so we never have to see a sequel

[Ozzkev55]

yep. It is about the lamest game I have ever played from this generation. I can't think of a game I have personally played that has bored me more. I am just glad it tanked and Eidos bought Io so we never have to see a sequel
whats even funnier was the 9.0 it recieved from Gamespot

[CaseyRyback]

whats even funnier was the 9.0 it recieved from Gamespot

9.3, the GCN was the lowest rated version with a 9.2

[zionoverfire]

Freedom Fighters
it was too short in length, and despite being innovate, had a repititive multiplayer, with only 4 maps to its name

You have insulted one of the best games ever, now you we be ignored by 2 posters!

[FriskyTanuki]

You have insulted one of the best games ever, now you we be ignored by 2 posters!
3! And Casey's lucky he's a mod, or he'd be the 5th poster on my list. :D Freedom Fighters is a great game, so much so that you two don't deserve it anyways.

[CaseyRyback]

3! And Casey's lucky he's a mod, or he'd be the 5th poster on my list. :D Freedom Fighters is a great game, so much so that you two don't deserve it anyways.

you can keep your shitty, repetitive game. Killing 300 Russians and then figuring out you have to backtrack halfway across the level to find a fucking save point because you have already tried to beat this part twice and died is about the most fustrating thing ever.

This and PoP both suffer from the feeling of been there done that througout the whole game, as they use the same mechanics over and over.

[FriskyTanuki]

you can keep your shitty, repetitive game. Killing 300 Russians and then figuring out you have to backtrack halfway across the level to find a fucking save point because you have already tried to beat this part twice and died is about the most fustrating thing ever.

This and PoP both suffer from the feeling of been there done that througout the whole game, as they use the same mechanics over and over.
I've never had to backtrack in a level. The closest thing is when I have to switch levels to get extra ammo and weapons to take on the huge amount of russians that were at gouvenors island. It's extremely fun to shoot Soviets, especially when I can order my group around to do it for me. The only reason I ever talk about it anymore is because you guys keep bringing it back up. ;)

[jimbodan]

For just shear overated, Halo 2 (and Halo 1 for that matter). It's just a standard FPS and very repetitive, yet got near perfect reviews.

My thoughts exactly

[jclast]

The recent rash of street racing games (Need for Speed: Underground and the like) seem overrated. They're decent racers, and the customization is cool, but they're no Colin McRae.

[RelentlessRolento]

I haven't read anything above, but am pretty sure alot of people can agree with me on this one: Halo2 was way too overhyped...

[Msia]

Also havent read anything above (except the last post kekeke) but Final Fantasy VII is the most overrated game of all time.

[Rig]

Too lazy to read all of the above posts. Here's my list:

Halo/Halo 2
Final Fantasy VII
Fable

There. All done.

[TheUnsane1]

Metal Gear Solid.

[GuilewasNK]

The Tekken series.

[psiufoxx2]

E.T. for the Atari 2600.

Didn't they fill entire landfills with unsold copies of this trash heap?

[GuilewasNK]

E.T. wasn't overrated. Everyone thought is was trash.

[Ozzkev55]

Mechassault 2: Lone Wolf
It scored .2 points below its predecessor, when i felt the gameplay difference was horrendous.
They could have made it better

[zewone]

^^^^from 1st page^^^^

old thread, huh zewone ;)

:lol:

I stick with my story! :lol:

[BigSpoonyBard]

Anyone say Lunar yet? I kid, I kid

[crazytalkx]

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. Halo 2's campaign was dissapointing but the Xbox live multiplayer MORE than made up for it.

[ragtop70]

In the media, it has to be Fable (haven't played Halo, so it may be worse).
On CAG it has to be Ico. I played till the end hoping for some redeeming quality, but their are none. That game is complete trash, nothing but a repetitive, protect the girl POS.
Overrated on CAG, in magazines, and just about everyone is FF VII. Also complete trash. I played for maybe 10 minutes before trading it back in.

[Morrigan Lover]

Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)

[GuilewasNK]

In the media, it has to be Fable (haven't played Halo, so it may be worse).
On CAG it has to be Ico. I played till the end hoping for some redeeming quality, but their are none. That game is complete trash, nothing but a repetitive, protect the girl POS.
Overrated on CAG, in magazines, and just about everyone is FF VII. Also complete trash. I played for maybe 10 minutes before trading it back in.

You can't really judge an entire game, let alone an RPG, off of ten minutes (unless the game is so buggy it won't let you progress). FFVII is a very good game. The Materia system is nice and the characters are memorable. It's just not the very best in the genre. The main thing that hurts the game is the graphics. They just don't have the personality that 2D RPGs have.

[jclast]

... it has to be Ico

You're still thinking of Ico as a game when it's really a work of art.

It has sloppy controls, and it's too short, but I don't think I've ever sympathized so much with a character as I have with Ico. I genuinely wanted to save Yorda, and I got scared for her when the spirits came. I ran for every one of those blocky green couches, too.

It's not the be-all and end-all of gaming, but it immerses you in the experience, and all games could benefit from being more immersive.

[ragtop70]

So the PS2 is a canvas and the game discs are the paint? A work of art? You're kidding right? It's a game. Playstation, Xbox, GameCube, etc. are game consoles for games. If it were a sculpture or a painting then I would agree with you, but it was marketed as a GAME and it is a forking $hitty one at that.

[AndrewUIS420]

Although I do love it, I would have to say the Single Player of Halo 2 and Fable

[jclast]

So the PS2 is a canvas and the game discs are the paint? A work of art? You're kidding right? It's a game. Playstation, Xbox, GameCube, etc. are game consoles for games. If it were a sculpture or a painting then I would agree with you, but it was marketed as a GAME and it is a forking $hitty one at that.

I agree with you. It's not a great game. It's a great experience, in my opinion. All I'm saying is that the experience was good enough (for me) that the sub-par gameplay couldn't ruin it.

I honestly think it would have made a better independant short film.

That being said, it still gets put in my PS2 occasionally.

Also, yes, I do think of games as an art form. They're interactive fiction if you do it right. I think movies are art, too. They're all creative endeavors with no purpose other than entertain the audience.

[Xevious]

You can't really judge an entire game, let alone an RPG, off of ten minutes (unless the game is so buggy it won't let you progress). FFVII is a very good game. The Materia system is nice and the characters are memorable. It's just not the very best in the genre. The main thing that hurts the game is the graphics. They just don't have the personality that 2D RPGs have.

Its funny, the same thing happened to me when I picked up True Crime: Streets of LA. I played it for 10 minutes - through all the cheesy dialog and half-ass street fights before I decided I didnt want to play this game anymore. I traded that game for something else.

[MadChedar0]

The GTA 3 series for me... IMO it got repetitive.

[chrisswiss83]

I officially spent too much time on this thread.

Final Fantasy VII: It was graphically amazing at the time, but I really didn't care for any of the characters. The "tragic" moment didn't really phase me at all since I didn't care. I basically felt sorry for the villain, and killing him didn't feel as good as killing the villain in FFVI (wow I am making an effort to keep this spoiler-free). The music wasn't bad, but it couldn't hold a candle to VI's soundtrack. I liked the Materia system, but I prefered VIII's Junction system. It wasn't the worst FF, but I feel like people give it a lot more credit than it deserves (though it did greatly help RPGs become mainstream). At the time, I liked it, but playing it now is kinda boring.

Final Fantasy V: Worst soundtrack in the series. The job system is cool but I liked using it in Tactics way more, where it actually makes sense to have an archer instead of a knight sometimes (instead of to build up getting an ability like X-strike or whatever). Boring story. Completely dull characters. Villain with a stupid name made it hard for me to take seriously. Worse graphics than IV. Everyone who played the Japanese release (or translated ROM) hyped and rated this one to be the best in the series after we got VI, but I really don't see what's so great about it. Maybe I would have liked it if I didn't play FF Tactics first, but I did, and I prefer the job system there (not to mention its superior all around gameplay and presentation).

Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance: Graphically superior to CotM, but worse music than the other GBA iterations. Too easy in comparison to the more pleasureful difficulty of CotM. Not grand enough to hold a candle to AoS or SotN, but it sure tried its hardest to be like Symphony. No replay value (different modes in CotM were fun and challenging). A decent game, but it did not deserve the ratings it received. Boring magic system in comparison to CotM. Boring items in comparison to AoS. Lack of hidden areas.

[chosen1s]

Wow.

I can't believe I'm not the only one on this earth who thought FF7 was over-rated. It was a good game, but I felt like it was a very hollow experience for me somehow.

As for my nominees for most Over-rated (Not "Bad", just over-rated whether by media or word of mouth):

Metal Gear Solid
Every Madden game ever made
XBox
Gamecube

Before you call me a fanboy for hating on the XBox and/or Gamecube, I'm not saying they're "Worse" than any other system - just that most of their fans and the media surrounding each of them would have you believe the machine could walk on water. I don't think Gamecube ever lived up to its promise to be "The" gaming-centered machine and XBox never distanced itself from being a PC dressed up as a gaming console either. The XBox faithful, media, and the MS marketing machine in general seem to have brought the public to give the system more credit than it deserves, IMO.

Again, before you call me a fanboy, know that I own all three systems and PS2 is NOT my favorite of the three...

[jclast]

FF VII only has so many slobbering fanboys because it was their first RPG. It wasn't the best RPG. It wasn't the best first-gen 3-D RPG. Hell, it wasn't even the best PSX FF, in my opinion. It's just when FF became mainstream in the US.

If only we'd all fallen in love with FF II (IV JP), the world would be a better place. I'm convinced that game brought about the job system (Cecil's class change), and it was story driven, not FMV driven.

[chrisswiss83]

FF VII only has so many slobbering fanboys because it was their first RPG. It wasn't the best RPG. It wasn't the best first-gen 3-D RPG. Hell, it wasn't even the best PSX FF, in my opinion. It's just when FF became mainstream in the US.

If only we'd all fallen in love with FF II (IV JP), the world would be a better place. I'm convinced that game brought about the job system (Cecil's class change), and it was story driven, not FMV driven.

Agreed. I only know one person who played FFs before FFVII and feels that FFVII was the best in the series. It's actually my least favorite PSX FF (if you don't count the port of V).

I started with VI as well (if you don't count playing FFI for a few hours on a rental). A lot of people who have played it say that FFIIIj brought about the job system. I wouldn't know since I have never played it.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

You can't really judge an entire game, let alone an RPG, off of ten minutes (unless the game is so buggy it won't let you progress). FFVII is a very good game. The Materia system is nice and the characters are memorable. It's just not the very best in the genre. The main thing that hurts the game is the graphics. They just don't have the personality that 2D RPGs have.

Personally, I love FFVII. Like you said, the Materia system was awesome. I wish they would bring it back in future Final Fantasy's. I can't count how many times I mastered all my materia so I could have the Master versions of the different colored Materia. It's addicting. And, I also agree with you on how you can't judge an RPG off of 10 minutes of playing. YOu really need to play several hours of them to really determine your view on it. I don't care that people hate on FFVII, cause everyone has their own opinions, but thats just shitty.

[Ozzkev55]

You're still thinking of Ico as a game when it's really a work of art.

It has sloppy controls, and it's too short, but I don't think I've ever sympathized so much with a character as I have with Ico. I genuinely wanted to save Yorda, and I got scared for her when the spirits came. I ran for every one of those blocky green couches, too.

It's not the be-all and end-all of gaming, but it immerses you in the experience, and all games could benefit from being more immersive.
your right, i believe ICO is a work of art, since some things can be art, since we must look at art not as a class, but ART as a study, as a way

[psiufoxx2]

Shit man I can't even argue about art.

Person 1: Look at this work of art.
Person 2: It's a piece of dog crap smeared on a board. That's art?
Person 1: Yes. It's beautiful isn't it?

Eh, I don't get art. Funny thing is... people have always called me an artist.

[onikage]

The next time someone does this thread make sure to title it:

"Most overrated game, other than Final Fantasy 7"

We might get some more serious discussion...

[jclast]

Shit man I can't even argue about art.

Person 1: Look at this work of art.
Person 2: It's a piece of dog crap smeared on a board. That's art?
Person 1: Yes. It's beautiful isn't it?

Eh, I don't get art. Funny thing is... people have always called me an artist.

Heh. Great reply. But just for clarity I don't think of it as art for a cop-out to people saying it's bad. I say it because I don't think of it as a game. Just like, SimCity (and all its offspring), in my mind, are toys rather than games.

Categorization is in the eye of the beholder...or some such nonsense.

[Ozzkev55]

Can a movie be a work of art?

[jclast]

Can a movie be a work of art?

I think so. But I have a pretty broad definition of art, and here it is:

a creative endeavor whose sole purpose is to enteratin an audience.

It makes art much more interesting because I know darn well that H2G2, Playboy, and videogames (and many other things) are entertaining. ^_^

[BaZoOKajOe]

The next time someone does this thread make sure to title it:

"Most overrated game, other than Final Fantasy 7"

We might get some more serious discussion...

HAH!

Well anyways after reading through this entire thread...here is a quick list off the top of my head which I am prepared to get flamed for: ;)

Medal Of Honor: Frontline (Consoles) - Especially if you have ever played the PC series.

ANY of the TONY HAWK games (Consoles)

Battlefield 1942 (PC) - The vehicular additions & concept of this game was great...but the game itself was not.

Call of Duty (PC) - Although I do like this game...I just don't think it is this spectacular piece of fps history that it was made out to be.

[BaZoOKajOe]

& I definitely have to add that I've never seen more "SHAQ-FU" references in........well.......in ANYTHING.........EVER.

[chosen1s]

& I definitely have to add that I've never seen more "SHAQ-FU" references in........well.......in ANYTHING.........EVER.

"Shaq-Fu" is automatically put in place of the F-Word on this site, to keep it PG-13. I thought it was hilarious when I first saw as well.

Not sure if you already knew that or if you're new here (It says you're a "newbie"), but maybe someone else was wondering about Shaq Fu as well...

[BaZoOKajOe]

HAH! Well that's an interesting way to filter things...nice. :) THANX for the heads up btw.

[Parathod]

Wow.

I can't believe I'm not the only one on this earth who thought FF7 was over-rated. It was a good game, but I felt like it was a very hollow experience for me somehow.

As for my nominees for most Over-rated (Not "Bad", just over-rated whether by media or word of mouth):

Metal Gear Solid
Every Madden game ever made
XBox
Gamecube

Before you call me a fanboy for hating on the XBox and/or Gamecube, I'm not saying they're "Worse" than any other system - just that most of their fans and the media surrounding each of them would have you believe the machine could walk on water. I don't think Gamecube ever lived up to its promise to be "The" gaming-centered machine and XBox never distanced itself from being a PC dressed up as a gaming console either. The XBox faithful, media, and the MS marketing machine in general seem to have brought the public to give the system more credit than it deserves, IMO.

Again, before you call me a fanboy, know that I own all three systems and PS2 is NOT my favorite of the three...

I agree that Nintendo fans definitely have a skewed view of the Gamecube and seem to think you can't find it's gaming experience on any other console, but the media? The Gamecube is getting bashed everywhere from CNN to G4.

[jughead]

ah halo haters. you'll never understand....