THE LEGEND OF ZELDA (GBA)

[jkam]

I almost bought the mini famicom edition...GLAD I DIDN'T. I WAS HOPING THEY WOULD DO THIS!!!!

The Legend Of Zelda (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/242757.asp)

[C_A]

Oo, cool. I'd only pay 10 though. :?

[Mr Unoriginal]

YES! Nothing like paying money for the same exact game again! What would I do without my gameboy advance? Oh yeah, play new and original games.

[jkam]

Here is another good one:

Super Mario Bros. (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/242769.asp)

[jkam]

I agree the GBA has way too many old games....but The original Legend of Zelda holds a special place in my heart. :)

[Mr Unoriginal]

Hey, I wasn't being sarcastic. I love watching people throw their money into companies that just puke up old games year after year.

[Querjek]

Hey, I wasn't being sarcastic. I love watching people throw their money into companies that just puke up old games year after year.
Good.

And how is this a deal at all? That's retail price, folks.

[hutno]

$20 for a remake with absolutely no improvements to the dated graphics seems too expensive. If they took the old games made it snes quality then maybe i could see buying or if they created a bundle in one cartridege like sega did. I guess ill just be happy playing it on my GC or NES

[Mr Unoriginal]

At least now Nintendo can be more justified in their extreme stance on emulating NES games.

[Javery]

What a joke. They should make the entire 6 game collection $20. I guess if they think it will make more money for the company, then so be it. It still sucks for us though (assuming you want to buy these games)...

[Mr Unoriginal]

Maybe if people DIDN't buy the games they won't pull this shit in the future.

[jkam]

Look, I knew this post would get ripped on. Your'e right Nintendo just keeps repackaging these games and making money. $20 bucks is a lot for one of these. They definitely should have made an all-in-one cart but I also knew they wouldn't. I just wanted to play The Legend of Zelda on my GBA. I was fearing that they were going to release this as an e-reader game and I'm glad they didn't. It's worth the $20 to me.

[Gothic Walrus]

$20 for a remake with absolutely no improvements to the dated graphics seems too expensive. If they took the old games made it snes quality then maybe i could see buying or if they created a bundle in one cartridege like sega did. I guess ill just be happy playing it on my GC or NES

Gameplay > Graphics

IF you don't want to pay, fine. Don't. Simple as that.

[emperordahc]

I'll probably get Zelda out of duty; someplace like Target may have it on sale when it's released.

Yea, they should have chunked all those games in one pak and charged $25.

[Ginkei]

$9 per game would have been better I think...

All games with $30 would have worked too, but it is cool that these are seperate games :)

[Mr Unoriginal]

I'll probably get Zelda out of duty; someplace like Target may have it on sale when it's released.

Yea, they should have chunked all those games in one pak and charged $25.

What do you mean 'duty'? Are you a zombie? Employee of Nintendo?

[alongx]

I gotta agree here, this is just...well, crap. I mean, all of the upcoming NES classics for the GBA were games that were already made available through Animal Crossing. If they did this for the eReader, I'd say, OK, I kind of understand. But asking for $20...seems a bit much. They should at least have the decency to make it a package deal, with like Zelda, Mario, etc. all on a single cart.

[defender]

Are you upset that they made these games at $20 each or that you want the games and cant afford to buy them?

Personally I think they will sell just fine and they are pretty good games that will sell well.

I am sure you will see them used rather quickly for a cheap price.

[Mr Unoriginal]

I'm sure they will sell well too. I don't think anyone said they will do poorly. The price is not really an issue to me as far as disliking the idea. You could just get an emulator or as someone said play them on Animal Crossing, or I don't think it would even be impossible to find an NES system and Zelda for close to $20.

[defender]

If you can get a working NES with Zelda for $20 I will buy 100 of them from you at $40.

It would have been nice to have all 6 games or even just 2 games on one cart. That would have been nice...

Ice Climber/Donkey Kong
ZElda/Bomberman
Mario Bros/PacMan

That would have been pretty good deals at $20 a cart.

[metroidkiller9]

i dont see what everyones problem is. nintendo isnt trying to release this as a new game. it says right on the box "NES classic". nor are they resting on past success. as well as releasing these, they are always hard at work releasing sequels (metroid prime 2, wind waker 2, mario kart: dd!) as well as coming out with innovative new franchises (animal crossing, pikmin, luigis mansion, geist). these are being released to coincide with the new NES gba sp. they are items of nostalgia and will be seen as collectibles. i for one love the idea. already have the NES gba sp and super mario bros. preordered. but i can see all of your gripes with classic gameplay on the go. lets have more shrek and digimon kart racing games.

[metroidkiller9]

I'm sure they will sell well too. I don't think anyone said they will do poorly. The price is not really an issue to me as far as disliking the idea. You could just get an emulator or as someone said play them on Animal Crossing, or I don't think it would even be impossible to find an NES system and Zelda for close to $20.

does that mean you wanna sell the NES in your tradelist for $20? cause ill take it in a second! :D

[Mr Unoriginal]

I haven't gottan offers much higher than that. I thought it would be worth more when I initially sought to trade it, but it doesn't seem to be in that high demand. And when I was talking getting them for 20, just wait until the summer, I bet you fin a garage sale with an NES and Zelda.

[SS4Brolly]

You can not only get this game, but the other NES Zelda and the 2 N64 Zelda off of Nintendo's site for $20 on the Gamecube disc.

Waste of money.

[Mr Unoriginal]

You can not only get this game, but the other NES Zelda and the 2 N64 Zelda off of Nintendo's site for $20 on the Gamecube disc.

Waste of money.

I saw an EB B&M store trying to sell this USED for $70.

[metroidkiller9]

that sucks that you havent gotten much more than that. id value the NES at 40 alone. not many garage sales near my part of town. maybe ill hit up morris county this summer.

[Mr Unoriginal]

If I see a cheap NES metroid, I will buy it just for you and send it your way for what I paid and shipping.

[metroidkiller9]

You can not only get this game, but the other NES Zelda and the 2 N64 Zelda off of Nintendo's site for $20 on the Gamecube disc.

Waste of money.

i cant play my gamecube on the subway, or at work, or college, or in my car. portability my friend.

[metroidkiller9]

If I see a cheap NES metroid, I will buy it just for you and send it your way for what I paid and shipping.

i just got a front loader through a trade for my famicom gba sp, but if you see a top loader by all means. id be most appreciative!

[Mr Unoriginal]

If I see a cheap NES metroid, I will buy it just for you and send it your way for what I paid and shipping.

i just got a front loader through a trade for my famicom gba sp, but if you see a top loader by all means. id be most appreciative!

Do famicon gba sps play regular gba games?

[metroidkiller9]

all gbas play both jpn and ntsc games. theres no region protection.

[Mr Unoriginal]

all gbas play both jpn and ntsc games. theres no region protection.

So it is the same as a regular gba sp? That makes me want to cry.

[metroidkiller9]

why?

[Mr Unoriginal]

I would have traded in a second.

[waxHead]

all gbas play both jpn and ntsc games. theres no region protection.

PAL and NTSC are the two formats, though GBAs aren't subject to this separation, so any GBA can play any GBA game. the US and Japan both use NTSC, so it even if the GBA was only NTSC-compatible, it would still be able to use Japanese games. it's games from the UK and (most parts of..? ) Europe that use PAL, those would cause a problem if there was a PAL/NTSC separation.

[metroidkiller9]

I would have traded in a second.

oh thats isnt all i got. that would be crazy. i also got disgaea, earthbound, an snes arcade stick, and super punch out.

[metroidkiller9]

all gbas play both jpn and ntsc games. theres no region protection.

PAL and NTSC are the two formats, though GBAs aren't subject to this separation, so any GBA can play any GBA game. the US and Japan both use NTSC, so it even if the GBA was only NTSC-compatible, it would still be able to use Japanese games. it's games from the UK and (most parts of..? ) Europe that use PAL, those would cause a problem if there was a PAL/NTSC separation.

uh no. there are ntsc, pal, and jpn regions.

[Mr Unoriginal]

I would have traded in a second.

oh thats isnt all i got. that would be crazy. i also got disgaea, earthbound, an snes arcade stick, and super punch out.

Oh phew. Damn, I think I almost crapped my pants thinking about what I missed out on.

[Theenternal]

I agree with the it being a little high priced, i think a lot of us feel that, fine its ok that the graphics are not updated, but 20 doesnt fit right. You figure the time it takes + cost of the cart for a new gba game thats about 29.99. These are simple to port (compared to desinging a whole new game, as there are already nes emulators for the gba + they can use less expensive carts. Its just easier to see that Nintendo is making more of a profit off of this than they are with other releases like metroid fusion.

Other rereleases like Zelda DX had some special features + color :P Or Super Mario DX which had SMB2 on it.

[waxHead]

all gbas play both jpn and ntsc games. theres no region protection.

PAL and NTSC are the two formats, though GBAs aren't subject to this separation, so any GBA can play any GBA game. the US and Japan both use NTSC, so it even if the GBA was only NTSC-compatible, it would still be able to use Japanese games. it's games from the UK and (most parts of..? ) Europe that use PAL, those would cause a problem if there was a PAL/NTSC separation.

uh no. there are ntsc, pal, and jpn regions.

Japan uses NTSC as it's television standard:

http://www.psreporter.com/ntsc_system_tv_standard.html

perhaps you mean a special sort of standard for certain video game systems?

[metroidkiller9]

uh yeah i thought we were talking about video games

[defender]

ALL GBA's play ALL GB games...

its got its own TV so there is no region nor TV standard since they all come from the same factory in Japan....

you can play a 1986 Black and White Gameboy game from Italy on your GBA Famicom...

If you got a GBA you can play any and every GB game ever made up to this point.

no lockouts, standards, or regions...

[waxHead]

ALL GBA's play ALL GB games...

its got its own TV so there is no region nor TV standard since they all come from the same factory in Japan....

you can play a 1986 Black and White Gameboy game from Italy on your GBA Famicom...

If you got a GBA you can play any and every GB game ever made up to this point.

no lockouts, standards, or regions...

which is why they rock :D

[metroidkiller9]

ALL GBA's play ALL GB games...

its got its own TV so there is no region nor TV standard since they all come from the same factory in Japan....

you can play a 1986 Black and White Gameboy game from Italy on your GBA Famicom...

If you got a GBA you can play any and every GB game ever made up to this point.

no lockouts, standards, or regions...

thats what i said. but when it comes to other systems (gcn,playstation 2) isnt there a jpn region that ntsc playstations cannot play and vice versa?

[bfg9k]

Or Super Mario DX which had SMB2 on it.

I never even knew this, thanks for the info ;)

Nintendo and Disney should get together and go bowling. Release a product, wait a few years, rerelease, repeat. I'll pay $20 for a stock version of Zelda, and thats about it. I'm not even interested in any of the others. Like Ice Climber, blah. Can't see why I would get the NES version of Pacman when you can get the Pacman collection for $15. Donkey Kong should also include DK Jr. at the very least. :)

[-Never4ever-]

Well considering nearly ever NES Zelda cart has a dead (or dying) battery, bying the NES cart for any reason other than colectability is just stupid.

As for the whole NES collection thing, I think its a good idea, just a bit overpriced. I'll buy Zelda and nothing else, unless they make Metal Gear or Final Fantasy one.

[Yeahman]

Twenty dollars is a little steep, but remember these are being released as collectibles, not standard issue games. Part of the point is that these are the original, unchanged classics. Except for Zelda which should be gold, you are getting replicas of the pixel boxart in GBA form. Just like the NES SP all these are expected to sell based on nostalgia.

Remember the BBGC as well. That means you can get them for $15.

[stonetoad]

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[redgopher]

Hey, I wasn't being sarcastic. I love watching people throw their money into companies that just puke up old games year after year.

First, that Bubb Rubb video is fucking STUPID.
Second:


Pikmin
Metroid Prime
Animal Crossing (yes I am aware of Animal Forest)
Paper Mario
WarioWare
Luigi's Mansion
much more

I understand the frustration that is caused by the re-releases of old games, but think of it this way: a lot of people who play games arent >18. They may never have played Zelda 1 or whatever. I agree that they should have bundled them all into one pack (god knows the cart has enough space) so I think releasing all the NES games individually is really stupid, especially when you can play them all in Animal Crossing and transfer them to your GBA if you wanted to.

However, as far as the re-releases of the Super Mario series, and other games like Donkey Kong Country, Aladdin and Metroid Zero Mission (kind of a different story there, but I digress) I think its a good idea, for not even I have played some of these games, at least not all the way through. And of course, not all people have tons of game systems.. the parents may have just bought a GBA for their kid and thats all they get. In situations where you have all the systems, at least most of them known to post-1980 gamers (NES, SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, Playstation1/2, Xbox, Cube, GB/GBC/GBA) it would usually still be a good idea to grab the old versions used on eBay or trade or something, because you'll save a ton of money.

[Cmosfm]

Through my years of flea marketing I've came across Zelda for NES at least 50 times....ranging anywhere from .25-5.00, and NES systems for anywhere from 1.00-10.00. I've even bought bundles with several NES systems and tons of games for 10.00-20.00.

In otherwords, unless your a person who doesn't use all his shopping options (flea markets, pawn shops, thrift stores, etc), don't waste your money. This game can be gotten much much cheaper.

[hutno]

I agree with the it being a little high priced, i think a lot of us feel that, fine its ok that the graphics are not updated, but 20 doesnt fit right. You figure the time it takes + cost of the cart for a new gba game thats about 29.99. These are simple to port (compared to desinging a whole new game, as there are already nes emulators for the gba + they can use less expensive carts. Its just easier to see that Nintendo is making more of a profit off of this than they are with other releases like metroid fusion.

Other rereleases like Zelda DX had some special features + color :P Or Super Mario DX which had SMB2 on it.

I was thinking the same thing, the only cost of development was creating and emulator to run NES games on GBA. Companies always talk about most of the cost going into developing the game in this case the really isnt any development and the old games have deffinitely made a lot of money before they stoped making the game. Id deffinietely buy it but $20 still seems steep but ill deffinitely be looking for the games used.

[dsullo]

I wonder if this will come with the large foldout map like the original NES ZELDA did?

[st0neface]

I realize I came into this conversation a bit late, but recently at thrift stores my cousin bought a NES with 2 controllers, Mario 3, and Mario/Duckhunt for $5, and I saw one with just the Mario/Duckhunt for $15, so you can find it cheaper if you look hard enough. On the other hand, Nintendo has put out a lot of great original games, and rehashes and ports for GBA can be good ideas since its mainly for gaming on the go. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, Bubb Rubb is stupid, but therein lies the humor of that news story.

[Indiana]

I was thinking that the map would be on the second screen of the DS!

Also, Animal crossings does not appear to have Zelda or Super Mario Bros.

[SolinariDotCom]

I have no problem dropping 15 for Mario and Zelda.

The others? No.

[SolinariDotCom]

Through my years of flea marketing I've came across Zelda for NES at least 50 times....ranging anywhere from .25-5.00, and NES systems for anywhere from 1.00-10.00. I've even bought bundles with several NES systems and tons of games for 10.00-20.00.

In otherwords, unless your a person who doesn't use all his shopping options (flea markets, pawn shops, thrift stores, etc), don't waste your money. This game can be gotten much much cheaper.

Yes, but the portability factor. Having Super Mario Bros. on the go is.. well, my kind of on the go game. I love turning on the old NES for a few minutes of Mario Bros randomly - I'd love it even more if I could do it anywhere.

And Zelda's a classic, well worth 15 dollars to anyone. I own it on NES, yes. Would I pay ~10 extra for a portable version? Yes.

[ayolykewhoa]

Zelda is the only one even remotely worth buying and even then......it's kind of steep. Yet, I still can't resist Zelda on the run.

[karmapolice]

I have a great idea...go buy and NES find these games for 5-10 bucks on ebay and play your heart out...

[AnthonyRoundtree]

seriously... if you've already got these carts (like me)... why the hell not consider a flash cart?

i remember defender having some flash carts some for at his B&M store...

roms are legal if you have the original....
I damn near filled my entire collection of NES games on a single cart...

cost me a about a hundred... but i didnt have to plop 20 bucks a cart to play on gba....

thats cheap ass isnt it?

why should i buy all six games for 120 if i already have them... and can play dozens and dozens more on the same cart?

personally... my life has never been the same since i've done this... my ENTIRE childhood... IN MY POCKET...
and it didnt cost me 20 more dollars per verbatim game.

(flame shield necessary?
probably...)

[SolinariDotCom]

I have a great idea...go buy and NES find these games for 5-10 bucks on ebay and play your heart out...

Let's not forget the fact that the draw is their portability!


Joystick - I have a "thing" for authentic software.

[AnthonyRoundtree]

I have a great idea...go buy and NES find these games for 5-10 bucks on ebay and play your heart out...

Let's not forget the fact that the draw is their portability!


Joystick - I have a "thing" for authentic software.

same here man.... but dont forget i have the REAL DEAL authentics in my collection...
have a look.

[JSweeney]

roms are legal if you have the original....
I damn near filled my entire collection of NES games on a single cart...

NO! NO! NO! Do not listen to that man!
Rights to an archival copy are not granted by Nintendo's software liscense. Go look it up. Say it's cheaper, say it's easier, but don't go around saying it's legal. It's not like an archival copy of a computer program from a floppy disk... you aren't granted the rights to an archival copy... and to top it off, in the liscence argeement for later games, you are expressly forbid by the terms of the liscensing argreement to make archival copies.

To top it off, even if it were completely legal to make archival copies of a software, you would have to rip the software from your own cartridge... downloading roms off of the internet, EVEN IF you own the same software is still software piracy.


cost me a about a hundred... but i didnt have to plop 20 bucks a cart to play on gba....thats cheap ass isnt it?
It's also illegal. If that doesn't bother you, fine... I'm not about to judge. But don't go around spreading the same myths about the proper use and legality of ROMS. I swear these people just believe all of they read on thier ROMS site. I bet you believe in the 24 hour rule too. I'd like to see the part of the law that grants that right.


why should i buy all six games for 120 if i already have them... and can play dozens and dozens more on the same cart?
Because it's illegal? It's even more illegal now, since Nintendo has reissued and is reselling the code. Your "victimless crime" now has a victim again.


personally... my life has never been the same since i've done this... my ENTIRE childhood... IN MY POCKET...
and it didnt cost me 20 more dollars per verbatim game.

That's nice. Enjoy it all you want. But it isn't legal... and you should go around spreading the myth that it is.

[emperordahc]

I'll probably get Zelda out of duty; someplace like Target may have it on sale when it's released.

Yea, they should have chunked all those games in one pak and charged $25.

What do you mean 'duty'? Are you a zombie? Employee of Nintendo?
I tend to call it "Total Nintendo Whore", but "zombie" can substitute just fine.

[maxgle]

It does seem the old game cost too much,but lets not forget about inflation over these years.. 20 years ago, this $20 they charge is probably only $10...

[Theenternal]

Im just comparing them to other the other gba titles or the rereleases. but someone did point out earlier that these may be intended as collectables... so imo the 20 dollars wouldn't seem as bad if zelda was released gold :) and had the old maps

[emperordahc]

Im just comparing them to other the other gba titles or the rereleases. but someone did point out earlier that these may be intended as collectables... so imo the 20 dollars wouldn't seem as bad if zelda was released gold :) and had the old maps
Yea, those maps and a gold cartridge would kick ass. I've got all my original maps all laminated, etc in my original box I had since I was a kid. ;)

[Mr Unoriginal]

Im just comparing them to other the other gba titles or the rereleases. but someone did point out earlier that these may be intended as collectables... so imo the 20 dollars wouldn't seem as bad if zelda was released gold :) and had the old maps
Yea, those maps and a gold cartridge would kick ass. I've got all my original maps all laminated, etc in my original box I had since I was a kid. ;)

That's awesome, I have my Zelda Map laminated as well. I also have that long fold out map from Nintendo Power laminated. I think discovering lamination was the best thing that happened to me as a gamer and a child. Now my abundance of maps can take up too much space for all eternity!

[Theenternal]

at least you can navigate safely through hyrule

[BustaUppa]

My bro owns Donkey Kong Country 3. But after blowing hours and hours on the game, only to have the cartridge erase his save slots each time, he finally just played through it on an emulator and beat the game. At that point I gotta say that the ins and outs of the legality don't bother me.

But back on topic... despite the above argument I really am kind of a stickler for having "authentic" games (buying stuff like Sonic Mega Collection, Mega Man Anniversary, and various arcade collections, despite having all the ROMs), but I'm not sure if I'll be getting these for the SP. One of the main draws is the "collectability" and I usually care very little for packaging. I never keep my game discs in the cases they come with as I use one of those CD binders to hold them all. So map or no map, it won't be incentive for me to shell out $20 for it. But I could totally understand why someone would, especially if they played the game a lot back in the day (I actually just watched someone play it).

[AnthonyRoundtree]

roms are legal if you have the original....
I damn near filled my entire collection of NES games on a single cart...

NO! NO! NO! Do not listen to that man!
Rights to an archival copy are not granted by Nintendo's software liscense. Go look it up. Say it's cheaper, say it's easier, but don't go around saying it's legal. It's not like an archival copy of a computer program from a floppy disk... you aren't granted the rights to an archival copy... and to top it off, in the liscence argeement for later games, you are expressly forbid by the terms of the liscensing argreement to make archival copies.



so basically... its only cool to flash them one at a time?
wtf?

fine.... at least someone can flash them one at a time and still save money....

look... i'm all about collectin too... and Ninteno IS gonna get me money for the new zelda print anyway...
so dont think i'm a total ass... but seriously....
20 for each game? c'mon...

would it be legal to flash one by one?
if not... would you sleep easier at night?

[JSweeney]

roms are legal if you have the original....
I damn near filled my entire collection of NES games on a single cart...

NO! NO! NO! Do not listen to that man!
Rights to an archival copy are not granted by Nintendo's software liscense. Go look it up. Say it's cheaper, say it's easier, but don't go around saying it's legal. It's not like an archival copy of a computer program from a floppy disk... you aren't granted the rights to an archival copy... and to top it off, in the liscence argeement for later games, you are expressly forbid by the terms of the liscensing argreement to make archival copies.



so basically... its only cool to flash them one at a time?
wtf?

fine.... at least someone can flash them one at a time and still save money....

look... i'm all about collectin too... and Ninteno IS gonna get me money for the new zelda print anyway...
so dont think i'm a total ass... but seriously....
20 for each game? c'mon...

would it be legal to flash one by one?
if not... would you sleep easier at night?

You misunderstand completely.

One on a card or one hundred, they're all illegal unless you fit into some very tight constraints.

Basically, the only time an archival copy of an old NES game would be legal was if you made the ROM image yourself from a copy the original media you owned, and there is no clause in the liscencing agreement that expressly forbids making archival copies of the software.

Put simply, unless you made the rom image yourself, and you know that the liscencing agreement on the game specifically states that you are allowed to make an archival copy for back-up purposes, the rom is illegal.

I don't care if people have roms, one or even a harddrive full, unless it is of current software (but that is a different argument entirely).
I just don't like how people put out these ridiculous myths that end up being taken as fact, just because the userbase is wanting to believe it is true, or just too plain lazy to check up on it. The 24 hour rule is a great example. Pirated software is illegal. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It isn't any less illegal if you only keep it for 24 hours and delete it or if you keep it forever.

[AnthonyRoundtree]

You misunderstand completely.

One on a card or one hundred, they're all illegal unless you fit into some very tight constraints.

Basically, the only time an archival copy of an old NES game would be legal was if you made the ROM image yourself from a copy the original media you owned, and there is no clause in the liscencing agreement that expressly forbids making archival copies of the software.

Put simply, unless you made the rom image yourself, and you know that the liscencing agreement on the game specifically states that you are allowed to make an archival copy for back-up purposes, the rom is illegal.

I don't care if people have roms, one or even a harddrive full, unless it is of current software (but that is a different argument entirely).
I just don't like how people put out these ridiculous myths that end up being taken as fact, just because the userbase is wanting to believe it is true, or just too plain lazy to check up on it. The 24 hour rule is a great example. Pirated software is illegal. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It isn't any less illegal if you only keep it for 24 hours and delete it or if you keep it forever.

thanks for cleearing that up.
you have my solemn swaer to never ever spread misinformed information on the subject of rom usage and its legal standings.

now if you'll excuse me... i'm gonna go play some zelda....

on my gameboy.
with my new gba cartridge from japan.

just to play it safe.