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SS4Brolly
07-09-2003, 11:33 AM
If so, around how many games do you have?
I got around 50 :shock: games for it. Half of them are backups though.
Monsta Mack
07-09-2003, 01:05 PM
My ports fried or something during College. Sega has a bad reputation with me for having systems crap out quickly. Sega CD bombed as I sold it shortly after I purchased it. My Saturn died during a thunderstorm even with a surge protector. My Gamegears sound just went out last month.
The best and most durable system imho is the Sega Genesis. It's the only system that still lasts with me from Sega. Course my NES works like new with a pin connector, and I haven't heard much problems with the N64 or SNES.
I may be getting a DC again sometime just to play Shenmue 1, Street Fighter 3 and the first Soul Calibur, but I doubt it.
KSwoosh
07-09-2003, 01:09 PM
I do, but I only have three or so games.
joe50000
07-09-2003, 01:40 PM
Heh. I have pretty much all the good games for it. Excellent system, so sad.
elprincipe
07-09-2003, 11:29 PM
I got a Dreamcast right after they announced they were discontinuing it. Too bad it didn't ever get to go head-to-head with PS2. Jet Grind Radio is one of the best games ever made.
not one of the controllers I ever used on that machine took into consideration the physical mechanics of the human hand -- NOT ONE!
The closest that any of them ever came was a Pelican prepackaged with Echo the Dolphin-- and that broke down after a few months of use because the joystick no longer recognized "left"
If I took apart all the dreamcast Controller makes I own, and rebuilt them into one controller -- it would be one bad ass controller ,because most of them got at least one thing right, but who wants to do all that work?
I just ordered a Joybox adapter, so I can use my PS/2 and Saturn controllers on my dream cast-- finally going to get some quality pain-free time out of my prematurely buried Sega friend :-)
Firebrand
07-10-2003, 01:10 AM
Not many people did. Only 8 million sold world-wide. Still-born console.
danh920
07-10-2003, 02:04 AM
First off I'd like to state fist off IMHO that soul calibur is the best fighting game on any system to date. The Dreamcast was the first console to grace 128 mb graphics. With the DC came Soul Calibur, NFL 2K which acually got me back into football after dealing with a dismal madden99 on the N64, it was the best football game I played up until then, Dead or Alive 2 was another one of my favorite fighting games with stunning graphics and the ability to reveal another insite on videogames that you never thought possible. I enjoyed Shenmue very much and I even went as far as getting a boot disc and the Import just to play the sequel, I later found the xbox version of the same game for only 10 dollars courtesy of web sites like this. Above that the DC ebraced titles like Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia which I both enjoyed very much.
bluetoast
07-10-2003, 12:30 PM
I have like 16 games, 3 copied. Well, 18 if you count 2 defective copies of Shenmue II, but now that I have Xbox...
I have a bunch of great DC games: JSR, Shenmue, Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, Seaman...
I had Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, but I sold it...
SS4Brolly
07-10-2003, 01:06 PM
This is my "collection"
Bangai-O
Chu Chu Rocket
Crazy Taxi
Dead or Alive 2 (Japanese Version)
Fire Pro Wrestling D
Gauntlet Legends
Grandia II
Headhunter
House of the Dead 2
Jet Grind Radio
Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes
Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX
Metropolis Street Racer
Namco Museum
NBA 2K2
NBA Showtime: NBA on NBC
NFL 2K
NFL 2K2
NHL 2K2
Outtrigger
Phantasy Star Online
Plasma Sword: Nightmare of Bilstein
Power Stone
Power Stone 2
Razor Freestyle Scooter
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
Record of Lodoss War
Resident Evil - CODE: Veronica
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
Rez
San Francisco Rush 2049
Seaman
Shenmue
Shenmue II
Silver
Skies of Arcadia
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Soul Calibur
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Tennis 2K2
Test Drive Le Mans
Unreal Tournament
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Worms World Party
BigDirty
09-03-2003, 11:24 AM
I've got like 36-38, all originals. Mostly the stock titles
WhipSmartBanky
09-20-2003, 09:45 PM
I have a launch Dreamcast and 23 original games, all the ODCM discs, and most of the accessories: mouse, keyboard, light gun, microphone, jump packs, vmus, etc...
Alas, RIP, Dreamcast...your life was short, but sweet.
defender
10-06-2003, 04:47 PM
when you say "backups" dont you mean stolen and pirated games?
SEGA128DC
10-06-2003, 05:57 PM
I also have a Dreamcast from day one, 9/9/99! I have over 60 original games that I bought all brand new. 6 VMU's including the 4X VMU, 2 controllers, 2 jump packs, 1 fishing controller, 1 keyboard and 1 microphone that are all official Sega accessories. I also have 2 Ascii Fighter FT pads that are the Capcom VS. SNK versions that came with the trading cards! I still need to get about 50 more games, the official mouse and 2 more controllers to complete my Dreamcast collection...
Oops, I almost forgot I need to get 2 of those X-Arcade sticks. I wonder why there's no Sega Saturn adaptor for the X-Arcade? The Saturn like the Dreamcast are "fighting game systems"...
demonryu
10-06-2003, 06:39 PM
I have one, I was playing Skies of Arcadia this morning.
SS4Brolly
10-06-2003, 06:46 PM
^ I love Skies. Save file got deleted though :(
demonryu
10-06-2003, 10:58 PM
^ I love Skies. Save file got deleted though :(
That sucks. I just got all the crew members today. :D
TheRaven
10-29-2003, 12:25 AM
Yup, got the DC...Have about 50 games or so...a good system that is underrated by most but overrated by some...Lots of very good games, but not enough great AAA games IMO. Sega was one step ahead of the competition once again and two steps ahead of the public, which is why they once again failed from a sales point of view.
guessed
10-29-2003, 12:47 AM
Alien Front Online
Armada
Chu Chu Rocket
Crazy Taxi
Evolution: The World of Sacred Device
Floigan Brothers
House of the Dead 2
Hydro Thunder
Jet Grind Radio
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Maken X
MDK2
NBA2K
NFL2K
Ooga Booga
Phantasy Star Online
Power Stone
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Resident Evil - Code: Veronica
Samba De Amigo
San Francisco Rush 2049
Seaman
Sega Smashpack Vol 1.
Shenmue
Skies of Arcadia
Sonic Adventure
Soul Calibur
Space Channel 5
Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage
Tennis 2K2
Toy Commander
Trickstyle
Vanishing Point
Virtua Tennis: Sega Professional Tennis
Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram
World Series Baseball 2K1
Worms Armageddon
Looks like about 38. There may be a couple of others, but I don't feel like digging through my collection right now.
simplygriff
10-29-2003, 06:23 PM
I have about 25 games. All legit and a couple of imports. Bunch of ODCM discs, Keyboard, mouse, 4 controllers, slew of VMU's, Gameshark ( used as bootdisc only). Great system. I really miss it. I'm working on getting an adapter so I can use my new MAS stick on it. Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Soul Calibur mmmm.....
One thing though. Can someone tell me why Sonic Adventure 2 and Virtua Tennis 2 is still so damn expensive. Both are still like $30 bucks around where I live.
craig134
11-12-2003, 11:28 AM
I have a dc and about 33 legit games. You can get Tennis 2K2 for 9.99 factory sealed on ebay,and sonic adventure 2 usually runs for $19-23 on ebay.
fieldkillah
11-12-2003, 11:47 AM
I have a launch dreamcast and about 110 original games (no copies). I also have the fishing rod controller, mouse, keyboard, gun, 5 normal vmus, 2 4x vmus (sega brand) and a steering wheel
MaxBiaggi3
11-12-2003, 01:09 PM
I've got 3 DCs, one new and two used spares (for $20 each, why not?). I've also got 83 original games, but I'm still lacking in the RPG area.
eurenix
11-12-2003, 02:06 PM
Someone mentioned their controller ports frying or something. I just thought I would mention that gamefaqs has an article on how to repair the most common cause of Dreamcast Ports frying. If I remember correcly, you just have to replace a 5 ohm resistor.
WhipSmartBanky
11-25-2003, 02:36 AM
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ryosnk
12-08-2003, 04:47 PM
All I got to say is that the Sega Dreamcast is probably the best system and the SNES is a close second. How I miss a Sega made system :cry:
GTmaster39
12-15-2003, 04:16 AM
I still have my Dreamcast after I had to go about having three of them in the span of 2 years because my house kept getting robbed by crack heads. :evil:
The games I had were never stolen thank goodness. :lol:
Here are the ones I have: :D
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
Sega GT
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Demolition Racer: No Exit
Cannon Spike
Jet Grind Radio
4x4 Evolution
Test Drive: Le Mans
Heavy Metal: Geo Matrix
Death Crimson OX
Phantasy Star Online
Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
Dead or Alive 2
Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage
Tokyo Xtreme Racer
Shenmue
House of the Dead 2
Confidential Mission
Zomboy
12-15-2003, 04:33 AM
Heh, my Dreamcast is my only Sega made console, with the only other Sega made thing a Game Gear. I miss the DC, it kicked ass.
Here's a (mostly) complete listing of the games I own for it (and other stuff). http://users.ign.com/collection/Skullbrand
My computer game listing on that is pretty spotty though, got games spread out in two different rooms.
craig134
12-17-2003, 05:52 AM
Yeah, I have a dc and 33 games. There's 13 more titles for it that I want and then my collection will be "complete".
AvidPs2GMR
12-17-2003, 06:21 AM
I had one til I let someone borrow it.Then the SoB moved.He's still one of the peds i releive my stress on in GTA.I got mine when i heard they were closeing up shop.Only had THPS 2{I think 2 or 3 one} for it tho.
Uncle Fuz
12-22-2003, 07:12 PM
MY collection:
Bomberman Online
Capcom vs. SNK
Capcom vs. SNK 2
ChuChu Rocket
Crazy Taxi
Crazy Taxi 2
Dave Mirra BMX
GigaWing 2
Grandia II
Jet Grind Radio
Looney Tunes Space Race
Mars Matrix
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
NBA 2K
NBA 2K2
NFL 2K1
Power Stone 2
Project Justice
RE: Code Veronica
Shenmue
Samba de Amigo
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Tony Hawk 2
World Series Baseball 2K2
peteyrose
12-22-2003, 07:15 PM
Got one since Day 1 and am a very proud owner. I own about 90 Dreamcast games, all legit, including about 15 imports that never made it to the US (including Border Down LE, suckas!) :P
SneakyPenguin
01-03-2004, 02:48 AM
I have one, but only two games. i feel so un-gamer. i only bought the system after it died. i was weaned on genesis. i was so sad to see them die. maybe if i paid it more attention, or fed it more often, it would have had a longer life.
evilmax17
01-03-2004, 02:53 AM
My Gamegears sound just went out last month.
DUDE MINE DID TOO! Like, the speaker doesn't work at all, and if you put headphones in, you can just barely make anything out. Weird
TheRock88
01-05-2004, 06:54 PM
I have one and about 50+ games. I still play it sometimes but I really miss the old days of playing PSO online with other people.
drone8888
01-05-2004, 07:07 PM
Is anyone on here willing to sell, or trade for a copy of Record of Lodoss War.
I have wanted to play this game for a long time.
Let me know.
Thanks.
Strider Turbulence
01-05-2004, 07:10 PM
I have two. Bought one at launch and got another brand new system with games and vmu at a price so low that I might as well have stolen it.
It was a pretty good system but I don't exactly miss it or anything.
Spriggan240
01-06-2004, 08:17 PM
Damn, Dreamcast has got to be one of the best systems ever! But PS2 came out almost right after it making it go under. That sucks. The graphics for it are compariable to Gamecube! Plus it has some of the best games as well.
Oh yea, i got about 60 games for my dreamcast. No joke. I look around in those cheap 1.99 bins
jetblac
01-23-2004, 09:37 PM
I copped my dreamcast while it was still just a rental. Hollywood video please forgive me. It doesn't even have the modem. need more games though. I would like to find out how to get them cheaper than cheap. PM me.
bob_the_goon
01-24-2004, 12:47 AM
I got one at launch, one when they dropped to $50 which is still in the box as a backup, and my girlfriend picked up one to keep upstairs to play emulators on. I have about 120 games, all legit, and a few imports, including Rez, and a bunch of emulators and homebrew stuff like doom and Quake. I also have most of the accessories including the sterring wheel, two arcade sticks, fishing controler, two keyboards and a mouse, but I still need a gun. This may be my favorite system ever.
oddfella
01-24-2004, 12:57 AM
I got it just before it was discontinued :( . Off hand I only have 7 games but it think i have more. I use it to play classic Arcade games mostly.
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
House of the Dead 2 (with the light gun its awesome)
Shenmue
Jet Grind Radio
World Series Baseball 2k2
Phanasy Star Online
bfg9k
01-24-2004, 01:15 AM
It's the only console I've ever pre-ordered, they should all be $200 at launch. I have over 50 legit games, all the ODCM discs, four controllers/vmus/jump packs, keyboard, mouse, fishing controller, and sega brand MARACAS that I got new for $10! ;)
grayghost81
01-24-2004, 01:30 AM
Yeah dreamcast is the shizat. Just sucks that so much of that crap (including the consoles themselves) breaks so often and that there are "dud" games that never work. Great system though. Tons of underrated games.
CaseyRyback
01-24-2004, 04:03 AM
Yeah dreamcast is the shizat. Just sucks that so much of that crap (including the consoles themselves) breaks so often and that there are "dud" games that never work. Great system though. Tons of underrated games.
yea I have had problems with SFA3. I got one and it did not work, got another and it does not work either. Maybe next time I will ask for a different game
daphatty
01-24-2004, 11:54 AM
I have 2 Dreamcasts with 76 games (mainly backups). I also have 5 controllers, a mouse, a fishing rod, and the official VGA monitor adapter.
These are my second and third systems. I used to have the Black Sega Sports system (wish I still had it) with a BBA, VGA adaptor, mouse, keyboard, and about 30 games (all legit by the way.)
Spiritseed
01-24-2004, 12:36 PM
I have both evolutions, soul calibur, Grandia 2, Sonic card shuffle, and a few ghetto games.
helava
02-04-2004, 04:28 AM
Got a Japanese DC at the Japanese launch, modded to play US games. Got a Japanese limited edition X-mas Seaman DC #000/850. Got 122 DC games, every single one an original. It's my favorite system so far. I really love Xbox, and XBL, but the DC was the system that really, *really* got me into console gaming.
seppo
helava
02-04-2004, 04:32 AM
In terms of the hardware I've got for the DC:
Japanese Mod DC
Japanese X-Mas Seaman DC Kit, limited edition number 000/850
2 4X VMUs
6 VMUs
1 Japanese Lightgun
1 Fishing Controller
2 Agetec Arcade Sticks
2 Broadband Adapters
6 Sega controllers
2 Maracas Controllers
2 keyboards
2 mice
I mean, in terms of hardware you could plug into this thing, it was just crazy. Crazy fun, that is. Ha! I wish there were more lightgun games, but Confidential Mission and HOTD2, as well as the lightgun mode in Demolition Racer were all a ton of fun.
seppo
pablo1134
02-17-2004, 11:34 PM
i still have my DC and Saturn... for my DC i have about 50+ games, couple imports. for Saturn, about 30+ games.
both great systems that i enjoy very much.
Medium_Pimpin
02-17-2004, 11:40 PM
used to have 80+ then i gave a folder to my nephew and one of my extra DC's. Have about 50 non sport titles.
Santorum X
02-17-2004, 11:44 PM
I had my DC for about a week now and I must say i haven't had this much fun since SNES. I have only 4 games now, but have six more coming soon. Virtua tennis is the shiznit. Thanx TRU. Anyone have a DC arcade stick made by agetec?
KingDox
02-19-2004, 07:34 PM
I have two working DCs and one broken, I got it around the time JGR came out, I wish it didn't die as soon as it did. I own like 80 legit games. Got most of them cheap near the end of it's life cycle.
If you have ever played with maracca controllers consider yourself blessed. They are so freaking kickass you wouldn't belive
helava, don't forget Virtual Cop 2 in the saga smash pack works with a light gun.
my collection is here
http://users.ign.com/collection/Paradox80?objType=1
Cking3rdi
02-23-2004, 02:25 AM
I've got my import Japanese DC and my US DC. Both with mod chip.
bmulligan
02-23-2004, 03:24 AM
I picked up a DC after I got my PS2 at launch. I was so unimpressed with the quality of games and I noticed that places like Target and Meijer were unloading tons of Dreamcast games for cheap. It was my first Target clearance purchase for 55.98. Got NFL2k, Flag to Flag, Aerowings, and Marvel vs. Capcom for about $8 a piece. I played the DC more than the PS2 for months. Got about a 45 game collection now with only a few more wants on the list. Then I discovered DCemulation.com What great things you can do with an 'old' console!!
Santorium x -- I had 6 of those agetec arcede sticks at one time and sold 5 of them on eBay (big mistake) for a good bit of money. I've also got another one that emulates the DC controller and looks similar to the Agetec. It's really a reconditioned Saturn arcade stick. I peeled off the label to reveal the Sega Saturn logo. Metal base, microswitch buttons, feels just like a real arcade machine. It's the only way to play Marvel v Capcom.
b1aCkDeA7h
02-25-2004, 05:46 PM
Thank you "unhackable" GD-ROM.
GuilewasNK
02-25-2004, 06:08 PM
http://users.ign.com/collection/GuilewasNK
I got my DC second hand from a flea market back in 2001 or 2000. I can't remember for sure. Anyways, all my games are originals. Gotta give props to the DC for getting me into online gaming with Quake 3. I eventually got the PC version though because I didn't want to miss out on what the pc version could do. Most I paid for a DC game was $53.99 for Marvel vs. Capcom 2. My fave game on DC is Project Justice. Man that game is sweet. StarLancer is quite good (and underrated IMO too.)
magilacudy
02-25-2004, 06:26 PM
I don't know how many DC games I have because I constantly find new discs when cleaning my room. They keep falling out of my CD binders which is packed to the limit and then some... the binders I put my DC games in have 100 and 25 capacities so I guess approximately I have 125.
Some are random used games I picked up for less
than $5 each, some sent over from my relatives in Philippines, plus a good amount of backups hehe. I paid full retail for Soul Calibur though, I was going to keep it sealed for when I pass on my games to my kids some day (cuz I love that game so much), but I couldn't help it and I opened her up. Doh
javeryh
02-25-2004, 06:44 PM
Does a DC have to be modded to play backups?
Syncmaster
02-25-2004, 06:45 PM
Right about now 157 people have voted... 137 ACTUALLY HAVE A DREAMCAST? I never thought that many people actually bought them. I was never really interested at all in Dreamcast, and when I played it, I wasn't impressed either. Maybe all of the people who don't have one just looked at the topic and said "NO, AND NEVER WILL!". Maybe that should be an option. Maybe I'm missing the "greatness" of the system... Maybe I should shut up?
Anyway, I don't have one, and I don't think I want one, unless I get it for $5... becuase I'm a true cheapass.
I never had one when it came out...Got one for $15 at EB games. The next week I went and bought two more at Gamestop in fear of my system dying one day. For the quality of games, the emulation, and cheap games out there it is awesome! I think it was overlooked to soon.
magilacudy
03-08-2004, 02:45 AM
I never had one when it came out...Got one for $15 at EB games. The next week I went and bought two more at Gamestop in fear of my system dying one day. For the quality of games, the emulation, and cheap games out there it is awesome! I think it was overlooked to soon.
I agree with jkam, DC died out too soon. The possibilities for it were endless. The limits of the system weren't even being reached yet, Shenmue was the only game to real test how far the system could go. I have my DC packed away in my room in a soft case, I probably won't play her very much but she'll always have a place in my heart.
*wiping away a tear*
terribledeli
03-08-2004, 02:48 AM
I ended up with 44 games. I wanted to pick up Mark of the Wolf but I never got around to it.
I keep it hooked up for Shenmue replays. I think I've finished it around 20 times now.
OutlawJT
03-08-2004, 03:01 AM
I still have my Dreamcast and about 25 games. Would have more but I traded some in when I learned they were definately being ported (ie Skies, Sonic).
I just made a random realization while I was reading this thread. Does anyone else realise how eerily similar the Xbox multiplayer of Crimson Skies is to Alien Front Online on the dreamcast? The ranking system, the style and format of the different modes. Obviously the maps are tremendously larger and it is all airborne as opposed to ground based, but the general feel of it all and the way teamplay usually functions feels identical. It's a good thing of course. AFO is still one of my favorite online games of all time. God I miss it! If only I hade the dreamcast broadband adapter and there were still functional servers. I'd pick that up again anyday over almost any Xbox Live title. Why oh why won't they make a sequel for the Xbox?????!!!!!!!!
DrunkTigerWoods
03-08-2004, 03:13 AM
I have about 20 games, 2 controllers, keyboard, and arcade stick. Great system, its soul will never die.
Simon Adebesi
03-12-2004, 12:18 PM
DC is the best system ever made period. if you like 2-d fighters and don't have a DC where the hell have you been?????????
magilacudy
03-12-2004, 12:20 PM
DC is the best system ever made period. if you like 2-d fighters and don't have a DC where the hell have you been?????????
Maybe in a cave in Canada?
dtcarson
03-12-2004, 12:48 PM
I don't like fighters, but Soul Calibur was sweet.
A DC now would be worth it just for Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia. I had gotten my DC used through Ebay that summer, and couldn't decide whether to get G2 or SoA. For Christmas I got--both : ) I was excited.
DC really did have some fun games, and some that could have been excellent.
I was actually rather impressed with how Blue Stinger looked and felt, but the game itself got kinda dull after a while.
Speed Devils was a blast.
I've probably got about 20 games.
Crazy Taxi
Grandia 2
Bangai-O
Speed Devils
Blue Stinger
Skies of Arcadia
House of the Dead [2?]
Expendable
Bomberman Online
Quake
Unreal Tournament
Sonic Adventure
Record of Lodoss War
Gauntlet Legends
Evolution
Hydro Thunder
Ooga Booga
I know I've got some more, but not all my older-console games have been unpacked from when we moved. I pretty much unpacked the DC, a controller, a VMU, and Grandia to replay it.
No 'backups.'
helava
03-12-2004, 12:54 PM
I wish people would stop calling them "backups" - just own up to what they are. Instead of "I have 50 games, mostly backups," say, "I have 50 games, which I stole from the developers. So in this post, I say I loved the Dreamcast, but *really*, I just contributed to its early death. You're welcome!"
At least that way you'd be honest about your theft.
seppo
magilacudy
03-12-2004, 01:00 PM
I loved the Dreamcast, but *really* I bought it after Sega folded and did nothing to contribute to its early death.
So there
=P
Simon Adebesi
03-12-2004, 04:57 PM
a cave in canada huh......
even saadam had a DC in that underground bunker of his.
probally playing KOF 2002
organicow
03-18-2004, 01:28 AM
I wish people would stop calling them "backups" - just own up to what they are. Instead of "I have 50 games, mostly backups," say, "I have 50 games, which I stole from the developers. So in this post, I say I loved the Dreamcast, but *really*, I just contributed to its early death. You're welcome!"
At least that way you'd be honest about your theft.
seppo
Whether I agree or disagree with this is not important; I just want to go on record as saying that nothing ruins a cool thread quite like someone getting up on a soapbox. "Backups," "bootlegs," copies," "shitsticks" - I don't care, call them what you want.
I love the DC, I've been rockin' it since day-one, and I myself don't own any B-ups. However, now that the system has long since been abandoned by developers, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to getting some. Is that a good middle ground??
And besides: I'm sure Helava has never done anything morally questionable in his/her entire life.
helava
03-23-2004, 03:25 AM
Given that you don't have any idea who I am, you can't really say that, can you? The most morally "questionable" thing I've done is indeed, pirate games. And I stopped doing that when I was twelve. Am I some sort of saint? Of course not. But I realize what sort of work goes into making stuff like this, and how prevalent piracy is. And how a lot of idiots out there think that it's their "right" to get whatever they want without paying for it. I worked on a game for the Dreamcast, and got to read about people stealing it from me. I didn't appreciate it. I'm sure when the game I'm working on now comes out, people will steal that, too. I can't stop it, but I don't have to listen to people pretend it's legal when they steal from me.
Backups are covered under fair use, in many cases. In the case of games, they're explicitly prohibited. Calling something a "Backup" when it's simply theft isn't honest, it's a person justifying their theft because they're too intellectually dishonest to own up to their own behaviour.
I don't give a shit, to be perfectly honest, when you tell me that calling a spade a spade "ruins" a cool thread. I worked my ass off, and am working my ass off, to make the games I work on the best they can possibly be. You try it. You put in the long hours, the nights spent at the office, the strain on your relationships, and your life, to create something you're genuinely proud of, in an industry you believe has ridiculous potential, and then you listen to someone bullshit you about stealing your product from you in broad f**king daylight.
THEN you tell me you give a shit about "ruining" a "cool" thread.
Ok?
Not until then.
seppo
helava
03-23-2004, 03:34 AM
Here's the deal: games are a business. Making a game that is good takes not only love, talented people, and a great idea, but it takes money. In the case of the new generation of consoles, LOTS of money. Creating the art assets requires a LOT of people, programming new systems takes a lot of research, and the overhead for the organization of the company as a whole is no laughing matter.
Every pirated game steals money from the people who make it. But who does it *really* hurt the most? It hurts the game that I, as a hardcore gamer, love the most. It hurts the little guy. To a pirate, Madden 200X and Ikaruga are identical. A couple minutes to download, and a disc to burn it on. No big deal. But while Madden sells a couple million to the casual crowd who isn't tech-saavy enough (or dishonest enough) to pirate the game, every pirated copy of Ikaruga is a significant portion of its sales.
And a company like Treasure is operating on a razor thin margin between profitability and loss. A company like Treasure, or any small developer only has a single title or two out at a time - if those titles fail, the company can be pretty well doomed these days. Sega, for instance, got hit hard by piracy, and though they made a number of other tragic mistakes with the DC, the simple fact of the matter is that they made a lot of risky games, and those risky games didn't sell as well as they'd predicted, in large part because they were widely distributed on the 'net.
The simple, pure, unadulterated *fact* is that piracy hurts the game companies that make the small, interesting, often most innovative games the most. Does it hurt a monolith like EA? Of course. And every copy burned is a dollar out of the pockets of the people who busted their asses to make the game. Next time you're sitting there in your office, slaving away, or you're busting *your* ass doing your job, imagine if someone stole a dollar out of your pocket, or increased your chances of being laid off by some percentage, then bragged about it on a message board.
How do you think that would feel?
seppo
organicow
04-03-2004, 06:43 PM
Whoa, nelly! Easy there bud, I wasn't trying to insult you or anything! :lol:
And look man, I feel your pain. I've been a songwriter / performer for about 15 years, and since I've played on many CDs I am certainly no stranger to the piracy debate! I don't like the thought of someone getting their grubby little hands on a bootleg copy of a disc I worked really hard on! :x
However, there are a few records I've done that have long since been out of print, and so if I found out that someone was making those tracks available for free download on the 'net, I'd be really flattered!! I would not feel the same way if I were talking about a record that was just released.
So, while I certainly never intended to offend, my opinion is: burning copies of DC games while the system and games were commercially available: BAD. WRONG. THEFT. But, burning copies of DC games now that finding originals is getting more difficult and developers are no longer supplying retailers with stock: OK. Why? Because at this point, nobody is losing their shirt over it.
So hey, sorry if i offended you; I really didn't mean to! These are just one man's opinions!
And so, back to the topic: I'm pumped because I just got a new TV with S vid inputs, and so i got an S vid cable for my DC! Haven't hooked it up yet; hope it's cool!
EDIT: fixed crappy spelling.