New Bible translation free

[Mr.Answer]

Today's New International Version,

http://www.tniv.info/index.php


one free copy per household.

peace

[discopenguin816]

Thanks. a friend of mine wanted to buy mine off of me. I'll give it to him.

[videogamejunkie]

thank you. just heard about this translation on NPR this morning.

[musha666]

Weeee, free fire wood=-)

[AdamInPlaidum]

Neat, should be interesting to see the differences between this and the King James Version. I'm not really religious, just curious.

[lupe121283]

cool, now I can have something to read when I am deep minded ...... or when my brother goes to the wrong sites and I have to take a whole day just to clean my computer. Thanks OP.

[evilmregg]

Weeee, free fire wood=-)

:lol:

[eldad9]

Neat, should be interesting to see the differences between this and the King James Version. I'm not really religious, just curious.

You may be interested in this:

http://www.e-sword.net/

It's just funny to see how much this book got mangled from one translation to the next.

[AdamInPlaidum]

Neat, should be interesting to see the differences between this and the King James Version. I'm not really religious, just curious.

You may be interested in this:

http://www.e-sword.net/

It's just funny to see how much this book got mangled from one translation to the next.

Wow, cool site. Thanks, eldad!

[RaekwonThaChef]

i am the elohim

edit: out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

[jbroush99]

Do you get the whole Bible or just a few assorted verses from the book of Job?
This is part of the text next to the box you click for them to send you one:
"Yes, send me a free sample of the new TNIV complete Bible (paperback)."
Just wondering what they mean by sample.

[MaskedPlague]

i am the elohim

edit: out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

I think for the New Testament, it's Greek, but I could be wrong. Many people study the Old Testament in Hebrew. I am not very religious, but I love the history of languages. Religion plays a large part in a lot of languages.

[Mr.Answer]

i am the elohim

edit: out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

I think for the New Testament, it's Greek, but I could be wrong. Many people study the Old Testament in Hebrew. I am not very religious, but I love the history of languages. Religion plays a large part in a lot of languages.

Well the Greek and Hebrew are the original languages so that would be the best of course but as far as translations go, The New Revised Standard I believe does the best job of staying true to the original language, that being said it isn't the 'easiest' translation to read. Really the NIV, NRSV, NASB are all very good.

[mykevermin]

No life lived has any meaning unless you follow leviticus to the letter of the law.

And, it's so clear and natural that you don't *need* another translation to understand it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to digging a plot for my child that I killed for talking back to me.

myke.
...Go to a hotel if you want a free Bible.

EDIT to warn many of you of my skepticism of many religious/faith organizations. Be very careful, because this group could hound you with as much ferocity and skill as the Scientologists.

[Mr.Answer]

Do you get the whole Bible or just a few assorted verses from the book of Job?
This is part of the text next to the box you click for them to send you one:
"Yes, send me a free sample of the new TNIV complete Bible (paperback)."
Just wondering what they mean by sample.

I see the sample language but I get the sense that it is a complete Bible by the other snippets they use.

[Labombadog]

i am the elohim

edit: out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

I believe its the King James version.

I think it is so dont choke me if im wrong. :)

[Mr.Answer]

i am the elohim

edit: out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

I believe its the King James version.

I think it is so dont choke me if im wrong. :)

King James was/is pretty good but Erasmus did make a few errors. For example in translating parts of the Book of Revelation he could find no original Greek Manuscripts, so in order to not simply leave chapters out, he translated the Latin bible, back into Greek, and then from Greek into English. (perhaps a bit too much info for a video gaming forum though eh? :lol: )

[jbroush99]

Do you get the whole Bible or just a few assorted verses from the book of Job?
This is part of the text next to the box you click for them to send you one:
"Yes, send me a free sample of the new TNIV complete Bible (paperback)."
Just wondering what they mean by sample.

I see the sample language but I get the sense that it is a complete Bible by the other snippets they use.

Not bad for free then. Well, as long as it isn't delivered by a couple of guys wearing dark suits who start out by asking you "What makes you happy?" or offer you a drink of their Kool-aid.

[Mr.Answer]

Do you get the whole Bible or just a few assorted verses from the book of Job?
This is part of the text next to the box you click for them to send you one:
"Yes, send me a free sample of the new TNIV complete Bible (paperback)."
Just wondering what they mean by sample.

I see the sample language but I get the sense that it is a complete Bible by the other snippets they use.

Not bad for free then. Well, as long as it isn't delivered by a couple of guys wearing dark suits who start out by asking you "What makes you happy?" or offer you a drink of their Kool-aid.


mmmmm Kool-aid, the official drink of Nebraska mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[roguejedi5]

Anything for free as long no strings are attached.

[The Successful Dropout]

Weeee, free fire wood=-)

:lol:

i don't see any free fire wood, but i do see free toilet paper :twisted:

[Mr.Answer]

Weeee, free fire wood=-)

:lol:

i don't see any free fire wood, but i do see free toilet paper :twisted:

Don't come complaining here when your ass is burning :wink:

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Since when is a free bible a deal? They're everywhere.

I requested one anyway. It can gather dust next to my other one.

[BLarR]

Sweet, now I have something to store my Church of Satan card in! :roll:

[masha]

Today's New International Version,

http://www.tniv.info/index.php


one free copy per household.

peace

I need 3 .. One for every garbage can in my household.

I recycle http://img205.exs.cx/img205/25/recycle6qq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5785/biblesrecyclesymbolsmall0zo.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[BigSpoonyBard]

Neat, should be interesting to see the differences between this and the King James Version. I'm not really religious, just curious.

You may be interested in this:

http://www.e-sword.net/

It's just funny to see how much this book got mangled from one translation to the next.

I wish there was something like this for all of the world religions' scriptures. I think it'd be extremely interesting.

[Mr.Answer]

Today's New International Version,

http://www.tniv.info/index.php


one free copy per household.

peace

I need 3 .. One for every garbage can in my household.

I recycle http://img205.exs.cx/img205/25/recycle6qq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5785/biblesrecyclesymbolsmall0zo.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)


Just sad, if you don't want it, why attempt to crap on it. Look I'm sad you don't believe but I'm not gonna insult you or whatever you believe. Insults like this indicate to me fear.

[Mr.Answer]

Today's New International Version,

http://www.tniv.info/index.php


one free copy per household.

peace

I need 3 .. One for every garbage can in my household.

I recycle http://img205.exs.cx/img205/25/recycle6qq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5785/biblesrecyclesymbolsmall0zo.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

so why the hate?

[Minger]

Cool - anybody know if this is just like an updated version of the NIV or soemthing?

Nevermind - it is.

Thanks! Always wanted a NIV...

[whoknows]

Weeee, free fire wood=-)

:lol:

i don't see any free fire wood, but i do see free toilet paper :twisted:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ah..thanks guys, I needed a good laugh.

[rapsodist]

Thanks for the heads-up. I claimed a copy for myself. I'm still partial to the NKJV if only because of the beauty of its language (KJV is a bit too archaic for my taste). It'll be interesting to see how this TNIV translation reads, especially in regards to accuracy and comprehension; it appears to be geared especially toward young adults, like some sort of youth Bible...

Labombadog and Minger, I didn't think anybody on this forum had a slower post rate than me, but now I find two people in the same thread! :lol:

[javeryh]

I'm usually up for free anything but the Bible is practically useless...

[Minger]

To say the least, its a good read - theres some really interesting stuff in there if you're up for some reading

[jetblac]

So this is a new Bible?
I wonder if anything I did is in there...

[nickmad]

sweet, i dont have to buy toliet paper this week.

[phattyphat69]

Speaking as a diehard atheist, I find the blatant disrespect/disregard of the Bible in this thread to be quite appalling. You can believe in the Bible or not, it doesn't change the fact that this document has changed the course of human history (for better or for worse).

Political decisions are made and wars are waged everyday because of words in this book. Doesn't mean you have to like it, or even respect it, but I think anyone with a shred of intelligence should at the very least be somewhat familiar with it.

[MrBadExample]

It's a trap!

(my apologies to the Admiral)

[Minger]

Speaking as a diehard atheist, I find the blatant disrespect/disregard of the Bible in this thread to be quite appalling. You can believe in the Bible or not, it doesn't change the fact that this document has changed the course of human history (for better or for worse).

Political decisions are made and wars are waged everyday because of words in this book. Doesn't mean you have to like it, or even respect it, but I think anyone with a shred of intelligence should at the very least be somewhat familiar with it.

Man, If I could respond like t hat when I was an athiest... I was just like everyone else and chose not to see the point that you just posed.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

sweet, i dont have to buy toliet paper this week.

I'm sorry but this thread has already reached it's quota for that particular joke. Please try again.

[nickmad]

sweet, i dont have to buy toliet paper this week.

I'm sorry but this thread has already reached it's quota for that particular joke. Please try again.

damnit, i didnt see that.

[Quillion]

Speaking as a diehard atheist, I find the blatant disrespect/disregard of the Bible in this thread to be quite appalling. You can believe in the Bible or not, it doesn't change the fact that this document has changed the course of human history (for better or for worse).

Political decisions are made and wars are waged everyday because of words in this book. Doesn't mean you have to like it, or even respect it, but I think anyone with a shred of intelligence should at the very least be somewhat familiar with it.

Agree'd

For people to go out of their way to thread crap about a deal (what several people at least believe to be a deal) just shows ignorance and fear.

I don't own, or like XBox, but I don't thread crap every deal posted that involves a game for that system.

Second, in refrence to the Bible itself: Whether or not you believe, or even agree with the tenets set forth there, you should at the very least respect it. Not only as a document that has changed the course of history, but also as the canon for one of the largest religions in the world.

I don't think anyone here would be caught dead insulting the Koran (because it isn't PC) But those same idiots find it fashionable and even 1337 to insult the Bible.

Grow up.

[Mr.Answer]

still a great deal

[Pure Apathy]

I ordered me one, thanks.

[Msia]

Yeah thanks a lot too, I just ordered myself one.

[onikage]

I don't see toilet paper, I don't see firewood... I see free hamster bedding.

[Msia]

I don't see toilet paper, I don't see firewood... I see free hamster bedding.
Okay this topic needs to be locked now because of assholes like this and a few others on the previous pages.

[onikage]

I don't see toilet paper, I don't see firewood... I see free hamster bedding.
Okay this topic needs to be locked now because of assholes like this and a few others on the previous pages.

Holy crap! O:)

[Quillion]

I don't see toilet paper, I don't see firewood... I see free hamster bedding.
Okay this topic needs to be locked now because of assholes like this and a few others on the previous pages.

Holy crap! O:)

Why is this still happening? If you don't like the deal, don't post. I'm ordering one.

Thanks.

[eldad9]

For people to go out of their way to thread crap about a deal (what several people at least believe to be a deal) just shows ignorance and fear.


Considering some of the things that have been done in the name of religion (even this particular one) fear is certainly understandable.

[Run4Fun]

Man, there's no need to crap on the deal guys. If you don't like it, just pass it up instead of spreading the hate.
Thanks to Mr. Answer--I don't think that was too much info on translations, rather, I appreciate it. Also thanks to fanskad and phattyphat69 for the appropriate, intelligent perspective on approaching this. And of course, thanks to the OP.
Now back to studying for my history of religion final...

[whoknows]

And thanks to The Successful Dropout, Onikage, Masha, Musha666 for making me laugh so hard I thought I was going to die. :D

[sblymnlcrymnl]

still a great deal

I still wouldn't call it a deal ... you can get a free bible just about anywhere.

[Run4Fun]

still a great deal

I still wouldn't call it a deal ... you can get a free bible just about anywhere.

Yeah, but you would either have to pay for a night at a hotel,
or go looking for a Gideon to give you a miniscule, New Testement NIV.
Why do either of those when you can have a spiffy new translation delivered right to your door for free?

[Kaijufan]

I love getting stuff in the mail, especially if it's free.

[Mr.Answer]

still a great deal

I still wouldn't call it a deal ... you can get a free bible just about anywhere.\


The deal is a new translation that may be better for some. The best bible for me is the original greek and hebrew, but the best bible for nearly everyone else is a translation. If you want it, great, if not, oh well.

[kaji7p56]

Of course it should be free, it's an advertisement for God. Would you pay to watch commercials?

[tdphillips]

Thanks to the OP. I'll pass though, and let someone who might need it pick it up. I have quite a few Bibles at my home.

[Mr.Answer]

I received mine. Full Bible with low grade paper. Good to hand out though!

[Rig]

Ordered one. Thanks...

(Also, please don't come in here and crap, which a lot of you have already done. You may not believe in the Bible, or read it, but please keep that to yourselves.)

[modium]

Call me stupid, but I don't see where you can sign up for a free copy anywhere on the site. Can somebody point me in the right direction?

[KingSpike]

Alright, the question asked is a little old, but I'll see what I can do to answer it. Don't take this as a definitive answer though ;)

does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

First, this question assumes that the Bible appeared all at once. It didn't at all. Scholars are not sure whether the law (such as the Holiness Code or the Ten Commandments) came first or if the 8th century BCE prophets came first. We honestly just don't know. Perhaps the prophets spoke of morality and social justice that later was used to form the Law, or perhaps the Law came in some form and then the prophets would point to it as an example for what people should follow.

Furthermore, there is proof that entire books were not written by the same author. The book of Isaiah is usually separated in to two (more often three) parts.

Other books in the Bible (like the letters of Paul) were not intended to be collected in to a book. Paul wrote them to a specific church for a specific reason. Later they were collected and used and became part of canon.

The Torah/Pentateuch (also known as the Old Testament to Christians) is written in Hebrew. The New Testament is written in Greek. Of course, there is the Septuagint which is the OT translated in to Greek. Interesting fact: there are parts of the Greek version of a book that are not in the Hebrew, and vice versa. So which one is the most accurate portrayal of the original book?

Only 7 of Paul's letters are considered "uncontested." This means that pretty much all scholars agree that Paul wrote those letters. The other ones scholars are unsure of. While this doesn't have much to do with the translation, it shows that one cannot easily say with absolute certainty what the Bible is talking about. But I'm not done yet :lol:

Here's one example of an actual translation issue. In the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 specifically, you will see a vice list. Two words, arsenokoitai and malakoi are often translated as "homosexual perverts," "homosexuals," "male prostitutes," or "sodomites." These are just a couple examples.

Well, first we have no idea what arsenokoitai actually means. Another vice list uses the word but does not contain any other sexual vices. So why would it mean something purely sexual? Other suggestions that it means "homosexual" or something along those lines is the etymology of the word. Arsen means "male" and koitai means "bedroom" or the active partner in sexual intercourse. So often the terms have been translated as the dominant and passive participators in a homosexual act.

But etymology is the history of a word, not its meaning. Do I have to be located underneath a stand to understand something? No.

Malakoi can mean all sorts of things, from the richness of food to the gentle breeze to a coward or someone who is afraid to commit suicide. So why is it translated as something related to homosexuality?

The King James Version is a very beautiful translation. But it often isn't very accurate when it comes to translations. The above is one such example.

Well, that's all I have for now. I'll see if I can think of some other stuff (my brain kind of fried halfway through). I'll post it if I can think of it.

[Derwood43]

[-(

I badly want to argue with all of the people who have recently run out of toilet paper and firewood. But alas, their minds are made up.

I just hope that the next time one of you posts about something, it gets it's fair share of thread crapping.

Just shut up! No one asked to hear your opinion on the Bible or it's uses. Go over to gamefaqs with that junk.



On a personal note:

I can't stand games like Suikoden or TOS. Yet, have you ever seen me crap in someone's Suikoden or TOS thread? No. Learn some self restraint, and please grow up.

[eldad9]

I don't think Suikoden or TOS fans have ever killed people because of differences of opinion over the games, or because the games told them to.

[Mr.Answer]

I don't think Suikoden or TOS fans have ever killed people because of differences of opinion over the games, or because the games told them to.

Probably be safer for you if you never owned land either since a whole lot of wars were about natural resources. I find it strange that people through out this 'well there have been wars fought over religion so religion is bad' argument. There have been lots of wars and murders over countless things, religion-yes, want/desire for more natural resources and land-yes, different political views-yes (see US civil war) just to keep the peasants busy and a ruler in power-yes, because of a woman-yes (See Helen of Troy the face that launched a thousand ships).

I'm not sure about Suikoden but there have been murders about nearly everything, so according to some here everything must be bad because everything leads to murder.

[chunk]

out of curiosity, (and assuming someone here actually knows the answer to this question, which probably isn't the case) does anyone know what the oldest, most true to the original, least mangled in translation version of the bible is?

Your question is somewhat conflicting because you are asking three different things with three different answers.

The oldest english translation is probably the King James version (although there may be one earlier than this, but I'm not sure if it is a complete translation or just part), however, it certainly isn't the most true to the original or the least mangled. You have to remember that new archeological finds as well as better understanding of ancient languages and cultures have developed over the years. In other words, we know more now about the best way to translate than they knew when the King James translation was first made. For example, in the last 100 years the "dead sea scrolls" were discovered, which contain manuscripts that have been untouched for thousands of years (including parts of the bible). Some of this newly discovered, but older, information allows us to do a better job translating thousand year old documents than they could have done 200 years ago.

Next you ask which is most true to the original and which is the least mangled. These are really tough questions because translation is tricky business. It is always difficult to decide which is the "best" way to translate something. If you know anything about languages then you know that languages are full of idioms.

What I mean is you have ideas like "I caught the guy red handed". Now if I wanted to translate that phrase I could translate it literally and word for word. This is probably what you mean by "most true to the original". However, if I were translating to japanese then the result, while an exact translation, would be nonsense. Do you understand? "Caught red handed" doesn't mean the same thing in japanese that it does in english. You can also imagine other phrases like "let the cat out of the bag" or "pwned". You probably don't even realize it, but most of what you say you don't mean literally, rather you are using phrases and ideas that have a common understanding between you and the person you're communicating with. This is probably even more exaggerated with ancient languagings which lacked a central authority on the "correct" language. You have to remember that dictionaries are a relatively modern phenomenon and for much of history (even in many places in the world today, such as china) language is not standardized.

Obviously if we want to understand what was written then translating word for word is probably a bad idea. For example, you might read a literal translation from spanish that says "I'm pulling your hair", but a good translator would instead translate to english "I'm pulling your leg". I'm sure you can see that in this situation the first translation is nonsense, but the second conveys the appropriate meaning (that is "I'm joking"). You could even go an extra step and try to make it even more clear by just translating "I'm joking". So you see, in this case the translation that is the "most true to the original" is the one that is "the most mangled" and vice versa.

Of course, translating ancient greek is much more subtle and complicated than this (it doesn't even have punctuation!), but you get the idea about the kinds of problems that arise and the kinds of compromises that need to be made.

Another alternative is to just give both translations and let the reader figure it out. However, this can often lead to misunderstanding as the reader tends to just pick whichever words they want (for example you might end up with something like, "I'm pulling your jokes"). This is the approach that the "Amplified Bible" takes.

Anyway, to answer your question, in my experience the "New American Standard Bible"(NASB) and the "New Kings James Bible"(NKJB) are more exact translations ("more true to the original") while the "New International Version"(NIV) and "The Message" are the least mangled. But even that is debateable.

The good thing is that there is a lot of redundancy in the bible. The same ideas are presented over and over again, in many different forms. So having the best translation isn't as important as you might expect.

[JOEBOO]

free bibles are gone...

[Derwood43]

I don't think Suikoden or TOS fans have ever killed people because of differences of opinion over the games, or because the games told them to.


So who placed the burden of the "religion police" on some select CAG's? I don't Cheapy is handing out that position.

I just love to see all the people who think they've got it ALL figured out. Their thoughts and beliefs are infallible. If they don't want to hear anyone else talk about their beliefs, why in the hell would we want to hear their disbelief???:roll:


Now, to comment on your statement eldad9. You're missing the point I'm trying to convey. I have not said that religion is right or wrong. I'm merely stating that just because you don't believe in something, that does not give you the right to denegrate someone who does believe in it.

How big of jerk would I be if I walked into someone's Suikoden thread and started telling the OP that the game was junk? Likewise, that I was going to use it for firewood or toilet paper. I would most likely be reported to Cheapy or a mod for thread crapping and trolling. Is this making any sense?

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Alright, the question asked is a little old, but I'll see what I can do to answer it. Don't take this as a definitive answer though ;)



First, this question assumes that the Bible appeared all at once. It didn't at all. Scholars are not sure whether the law (such as the Holiness Code or the Ten Commandments) came first or if the 8th century BCE prophets came first. We honestly just don't know. Perhaps the prophets spoke of morality and social justice that later was used to form the Law, or perhaps the Law came in some form and then the prophets would point to it as an example for what people should follow.

Furthermore, there is proof that entire books were not written by the same author. The book of Isaiah is usually separated in to two (more often three) parts.

Other books in the Bible (like the letters of Paul) were not intended to be collected in to a book. Paul wrote them to a specific church for a specific reason. Later they were collected and used and became part of canon.

The Torah/Pentateuch (also known as the Old Testament to Christians) is written in Hebrew. The New Testament is written in Greek. Of course, there is the Septuagint which is the OT translated in to Greek. Interesting fact: there are parts of the Greek version of a book that are not in the Hebrew, and vice versa. So which one is the most accurate portrayal of the original book?

Only 7 of Paul's letters are considered "uncontested." This means that pretty much all scholars agree that Paul wrote those letters. The other ones scholars are unsure of. While this doesn't have much to do with the translation, it shows that one cannot easily say with absolute certainty what the Bible is talking about. But I'm not done yet :lol:

Here's one example of an actual translation issue. In the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 specifically, you will see a vice list. Two words, arsenokoitai and malakoi are often translated as "homosexual perverts," "homosexuals," "male prostitutes," or "sodomites." These are just a couple examples.

Well, first we have no idea what arsenokoitai actually means. Another vice list uses the word but does not contain any other sexual vices. So why would it mean something purely sexual? Other suggestions that it means "homosexual" or something along those lines is the etymology of the word. Arsen means "male" and koitai means "bedroom" or the active partner in sexual intercourse. So often the terms have been translated as the dominant and passive participators in a homosexual act.

But etymology is the history of a word, not its meaning. Do I have to be located underneath a stand to understand something? No.

Malakoi can mean all sorts of things, from the richness of food to the gentle breeze to a coward or someone who is afraid to commit suicide. So why is it translated as something related to homosexuality?

The King James Version is a very beautiful translation. But it often isn't very accurate when it comes to translations. The above is one such example.

Well, that's all I have for now. I'll see if I can think of some other stuff (my brain kind of fried halfway through). I'll post it if I can think of it.

Nice post.

[eldad9]

How big of jerk would I be if I walked into someone's Suikoden thread and started telling the OP that the game was junk? Likewise, that I was going to use it for firewood or toilet paper. I would most likely be reported to Cheapy or a mod for thread crapping and trolling. Is this making any sense?

If copies of the Suikoden games were known to explode and kill thousands, I could totally understand anybody hating the game and even trying to prevent others from going near it.

But you're right, there's no need to be rude about it.

[Mr.Answer]

If copies of the Suikoden games were known to explode and kill thousands, I could totally understand anybody hating the game and even trying to prevent others from going near it.

But you're right, there's no need to be rude about it.


Hmm such negativity,

but what if copies of the Suikoden games were known to bring joy and peace to millions, I could totally understand anybody loving the game and even trying to bring others close to it.

[cheapass Gundam]

I love getting stuff in the mail, especially if it's free.

I have a feeling that you'll get more than just a free Bible in your mailbox. For the foreseeable future, your mailbox will be stuffed with religious themed come-ons asking you to donate or buy stuff.

Someone should translate the Bible into l33t. ;)

[Sleepkyng]

I wish they had free copies of the Aeneid, or the Iliad, or Metamorphoses.

good god, to get a good translation is ridiculously expensive.

I'm not a Christian, but i thought the "mythology" (using that in a scholarly not derrogotive way) was really interesting. It was great to read side by side with Dante's Inferno, especially in the canto with Brunetto Latini.

Thanks for the e-sword link. I'm pretty excited to use that!