Bible Codes

[Cracka]

wondering if any of yall have seen this..
My friend said he was watching the history channel last night and there was a show on called "Bible Codes"

in this show they told about these people who took the words of the Old Testament and they used some Mathematical equation to rearrange the words into the shape of a triangle i believe. Since the words were rearranged into the shape of a triangle, it moved the letters and so new words were formed.

They made a program that would let them search through the arrangement of words and find specific words.

They searched for the word "Hitler" and they found the words "Hitler" "Slaughter" and "Enemy" near each other

They searched for the word "Kennedy" and they found the words "Kennedy" "Oswalt" and "assassination" near each other

They searched for the word "Bush" and they found the words "Bush" "Gore" "Maybe" near each other

They searched for the word "Twin" and they found the words "Twin" "Towers" "Bin Ladin" near each other. They also found "Twin" "Towers" "Atta" near each other.

They also supposedly saw things about the atomic bomb, all of the presidents, all assassinations, and all the wars.

They did this in 1994, and at the time there was this man in charge in Israel. They searched for his name and they saw his name near the words "Assassination".

I found this pretty creepy.. but then this other person told me this..
(this is unrelated to the info above) The name of one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center, was QNY33 ... look at QNY33 in wingdings font.

[video_gamer324]

Very spooky indeed.

[thepityofmrt]

There is no truth to the QNY33 thing.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wingding.htm

[starman9000]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blwingdings.htm?terms=wingdings

[Scrubking]

Why is this on the non-gaming deals board?

[hcamacho]

yeah, I watched that program about 2months back, kind of scary, eh!According to those guys doing the research of the code , maybe all the future of mankind is written on the bible using the code.But it has to be done in the original language in wich the bible was written.So...............

[eros]

I speak Hebrew, the original language of what you call the Old Testament. It is true that some (less than half the alphabet) of the characters have a numerical value. However, it is complete bunk that by rearranging the letters, they are finding crap like JFK's name and what not. First off the original text has no vowels. Also vowels have no numeric value.

Hell, if I took the vowels out of the words in the dictionary and rearranged them, you could come up with almost anything.

Take this simple sentence as an example.

I cnt stp lving hm.

That could be:

I can't stop loving him.
or
I can't stop leaving him.

Even in sentence form (which the original text has no periods, commas, etc.), the text is ambigous. And the lack of clarity allows the meaning to be completely changed.

What you are talking about is drawing cute triangles and crap and then trying to pull words out. Think of how many words I could pull out of the last sentence if I rearranged the letters any way I wanted, like they are doing.

Remember that the history channel needs ratings too, and that not everything you are seeing on there is fact or even by reputable people.

In fact this was probably done by the same guy that wrote the book "Bible Code" which millions of idiots have purchased. It's a scam to prey on those who pray, but don't think or ask questions.

P.S. -- How they are choosing to transliterate characters could also play a huge part in what they get. It is also ignorant to think that the future is told in English through a Hebrew text when arranged in pretty pictures.

[Cracka]

ok i read a lil about it on some websites.. and found there was no triangle

this explains it alot better than i can

http://www.thebiblecodes.com/feature/codes/Truthaboutbc.htm

from what i read, its not rearranging the letters like i was told.. its like taking the sentence

Shit Lerked in the darkness ... lol i dont know if thats how u spell lerked but go with me here for a sec...

and then u space it like...

S H I T L E R K E D I N T H E D A R K N E S S ... then they try and find hidden messages.. like in that sentence i just gave, there is the word HITLER ... but in the bible codes, they were finding elaborate sentences, that included very specific words and names.

[thatstoobad]

all i know is that they only talk about these things after they happen. if they ever want to predict something and then have it come true, then that would maybe mean something. maybe.

and yes, this is totally on the wrong board.

[paz9x]

I was hoping to find a non gaming deal on bible code, blast this thread.

Pi ?

[evilmax17]

I was hoping to find a non gaming deal on bible code, blast this thread.

Pi ?

Just hit up a Motel. Those places are crawling with free bibles.

[b0bx13]

Hebrew, the original language of what you call the Old Testament.
actually, the original language would have been Aramaic

[chosen1s]

I'm pretty sure Aramaic would have been the New Testament?

Most people who refute the Bible Code have claimed that they used the same method on Shakespeare plays, novels, etc. with the same results.

I cannot verify either pro or con with fact, but I tend to lean towards the people who don't give it a lot of stock.

And to those of you who think it's "freaky" - why? What if you found "Smith" and "A-bomb" and "New York"? There's no date, that could be a thousand years from now. If someone in 1200 figured out the "code" and read about "Hitler", "death", whatever, that would have been completely meaningless to them.

Oh well, I'm off to bed. It is an interesting subject but not one I think God wants me spending a lot of time on. I think He would rather I spend time talking to Him than trying to figure out some elaborate hidden meaning. 'night all

[Cracka]

And to those of you who think it's "freaky" - why? What if you found "Smith" and "A-bomb" and "New York"? There's no date, that could be a thousand years from now. If someone in 1200 figured out the "code" and read about "Hitler", "death", whatever, that would have been completely meaningless to them.

i find it freaky because bible which was written thousands of years ago says things in it about things that happened thousands of years after it was written.

all i know is that they only talk about these things after they happen. if they ever want to predict something and then have it come true, then that would maybe mean something. maybe.

like i said, in 1994, they found an israeli leaders name and the word assassination near it, and then he was assassinated the next year in 1995.

[JSweeney]

Though I don't doubt the existance of the
paranormal, I find this a bit dubious.
Hidding "Codes" at varying skip distances
throughout a text?
I think if someone wanted to, they could take this
and expoiting it to have it say whatever they were
searching for.
Simple searches can turn up anything... on that
website, they even show how he found his own
name using that skipping pattern.

I really doubt the scientific merits of this, as it
seems like they bias the search by looking for
specific things..
Searches like that would already have an inherent
bias to them.

Biasing the searches like that would make it seem that
people are going to look for even the most tenous
links.
Undoubtably, sometimes random sequences can
produce interesting and seemingly inspired results.

Looking only at the bible, though? What about the
Koran, or any other religious text?

Little hidden messages bereft of context tell us
about the future?

So, are we supposed to assume that these things
are divinely hidden messages?
Herman Mellville also meant to include the writter
of that FAQ's name in Moby Dick as well, huh?
I doubt it.
Truely.

[Gothic Walrus]

Though I doubt doubt the existance of the
paranormal, I find this a bit dubious.
Hidding "Codes" at varying skip distances
throughout a text?
I think is someone wanted to, they could take this
and expoiting it to have it say whatever they were
searching for.
Simple searches can turn up anything... on that
website, they even show how he found his own
name using that skipping pattern.

I really doubt the scientific merits of this, as it
seems like they bias the search by looking for
specific things..
Searches like that would already have an inherent
bias to them.

Biasing the searches like that would seem that
people are going to look for even the most tenous
links.
Undoubtably, sometimes random sequences can
produce interesting as seemingly inspired results.

Looking only at the bible, though? What about the
Koran, or any other religious text?

Little hidden messages bereft of context tell us
about the future?

So, are we supposed to assume that these things
are divinely hidden messages?
Herman Mellville also meant to include the writter
of that FAQ's name in Moby Dick as well, huh?
I doubt it.
Truely.

Genius, JSweeney. :D

It's been said, but it's all a load of crap. If you search hard enough or manipulate data long enough, you can find or show anything to be true.

[magilacudy]

I wonder if one day historians stumble upon these forums and piece apart JSweeney's posts for deeper insight and hidden meaning.

[Cracka]

Though I don't doubt the existance of the
paranormal, I find this a bit dubious.
Hidding "Codes" at varying skip distances
throughout a text?
I think if someone wanted to, they could take this
and expoiting it to have it say whatever they were
searching for.
Simple searches can turn up anything... on that
website, they even show how he found his own
name using that skipping pattern.

I really doubt the scientific merits of this, as it
seems like they bias the search by looking for
specific things..
Searches like that would already have an inherent
bias to them.

Biasing the searches like that would make it seem that
people are going to look for even the most tenous
links.
Undoubtably, sometimes random sequences can
produce interesting and seemingly inspired results.

Looking only at the bible, though? What about the
Koran, or any other religious text?

Little hidden messages bereft of context tell us
about the future?

So, are we supposed to assume that these things
are divinely hidden messages?
Herman Mellville also meant to include the writter
of that FAQ's name in Moby Dick as well, huh?
I doubt it.
Truely.

cute, but thats not how its done.

-The words are arranged so that each line has the same amount of letters, and the letters of the words they spell out are equal distance appart.
-They also showed on the site that i gave a link to, that many words are statistically likely to show up many times, but the odds of some of the other words showing up is very low.
-They said that finding less than 10 words together that are related is common, and the odds of seeing phrases that are less than 10 words is very likely, but finding phrases longer than 10 words is very unlikely, and they have found such phrases.

The "hidden phrase" that you just made is less than 10 words and also there werent the same amount of letters on each line, and the spacing between each letter varried. You did not follow any of the guidelines of the "bible codes". So although you made 2 of your fanboys laugh, you really did not prove anything.

I would also like to say there is a big difference in finding the phrase "This Is Bullshit" and finding "Hitler Auschwitz Holocaust" or "Kennedy Oswalt Assassination".

[JSweeney]

cute, but thats not how its done.
It wasn't supposed to. There are these things, they're called jokes... and that was one of them.


-The words are arranged so that each line has the same amount of letters, and the letters of the words they spell out are equal distance appart.
-They also showed on the site that i gave a link to, that many words are statistically likely to show up many times, but the odds of some of the other words showing up is very low.
-They said that finding less than 10 words together that are related is common, and the odds of seeing phrases that are less than 10 words is very likely, but finding phrases longer than 10 words is very unlikely, and they have found such phrases.

The "hidden phrase" that you just made is less than 10 words and also there werent the same amount of letters on each line, and the spacing between each letter varried. You did not follow any of the guidelines of the "bible codes". So although you made 2 of your fanboys laugh, you really did not prove anything.

Eros and all of the other posters already made some rather compelling arguments, which are much more compelling than anything I said, since... MY POST WAS INTENDED AS A JOKE.


I would also like to say there is a big difference in finding the phrase "This Is Bullshit" and finding "Hitler Auschwitz Holocaust" or "Kennedy Oswalt Assassination".

To bad Kennedy's assassin's name was Lee Harvey Oswald.
I know! Maybe they are talking about Roy Oswalt, pitcher for the Houston Astros! Oh no! We better not let Ted Kennedy anywhere near an Astros game!!

[Cracka]

whatever, you know what i meant. I dont know if the Bible Codes are true or not, but i'm willing to give the theory a chance. It does seem like a kinda crazy theory, but i think it could be possible.

[hackedfreak]

Why is this on the non-gaming deals board?

someone has no life.

[Tom]

Why is this on the non-gaming deals board?

someone has no life.

Or wants deals on things other than games, not this bible code bullshit
:puke:

[evilmax17]

Plus, you have to look at the different translations of the text. Different versions of the bible come out all the time. Read through a couple of different bibles, some are thicker than others, and they're not written EXACTLY the same (in terms of exact words etc). Different translations etc. Btw you guys, did you know that if you go into your bathroom at 3am with the lights off, spin around 3 times while saying "Bloody Mary", a dead woman will appear and stab you?

[paz9x]

Plus, you have to look at the different translations of the text. Different versions of the bible come out all the time. Read through a couple of different bibles, some are thicker than others, and they're not written EXACTLY the same (in terms of exact words etc). Different translations etc. Btw you guys, did you know that if you go into your bathroom at 3am with the lights off, spin around 3 times while saying "Bloody Mary", a dead woman will appear and stab you?

no shit? hmm. ill have to check into that

[regisphilbi0]

They actually made a movie about thsi bible code. It was called the OMega code. PURE CRAP! Don't watch it. Pointless.

[dustyeff]

I know! Maybe they are talking about Roy Oswalt, pitcher for the Houston Astros! Oh no! We better not let Ted Kennedy anywhere near an Astros game!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... funniest shit I've ever read.

[MrBrando]

They actually made a movie about thsi bible code. It was called the OMega code. PURE CRAP! Don't watch it. Pointless.

haha, those crazy mormons

[goatindaruffness]

I thought there was going to be a code to unlock Jesus in THUG, but it turns out that it was just some ridiculous BS, what a disappointment...
-Goatman

[goatindaruffness]

I thought there was going to be a code to unlock Jesus in THUG, but it turns out that it was just some ridiculous BS, what a disappointment...
-Goatman

[bmulligan]

HEY CRACKA --

Does the Bible code say anything about Pokemon Colleseum ? I think it sucks, but I'm wondering what god's secret code opinion is.........


You guys should take this code thing more seriously, I'm sure the cures for cancer are hidden in there somewhere. We just have to find it!

[Quackzilla]

Does it say what health dept. regulations are going to be lifted next by the bush admin?

[nelsed]

We are always so interested in finding the secret knowledge... (as humans) It's kinda funny... like people playing records backwards... etc...

If you want to be stunned by prophecy and how the Bible tells the future -- it's far better to just read the book as it is (without rearranging all the letters and putting in different letter spacings etc...). Daniel has 2 visions about the future of the world (painted in broad strokes) that fortell the rise and fall of 4 major empires on earth. There isn't much guess work to the visions... as an angel comes and interprets and helps Daniel understand the meaning. That's more interesting to me that playing with letters... and using Hebrew letters to form English words (phonetically) and saying it has some deep meaning about our future.

sounds hokey... like taking the number pi ... 3.1415926.... etc...
and assigning letters to each pair of numbers based on some calculation and then looking for sentances in the number....

Anyway.. just my 2 cents