I'm going to rent Rez and then "lose" it.

[ngamer007]

Hollywood video has a copy of Rez sitting on the shelf, with the box and instructions (it has a lock on it of course). I asked them if they would sell it, even made a very high offer which probably made me look insane, but the manager refused.

So I'm going back there tomorrow to rent it. I'll come back the day after that, and say it was stolen from me, and I'll just pay them for it.

It's not stealing because I'm actually going to go back and pay for it. But it's the only way I can get it. :O

[lionheart4life]

I don't see a problem with it really. You're going to end up paying them the cost of the game anyway, so they're not losing out, and it sounds like its your best chance to get the game.

[SneakyPenguin]

I'm considering doing this with the copy of Audition i got from Netflix seeing as how it's not available to buy at ALL.

[Strell]

If you can get past the fact that you are lying, then no big deal. There's no real victim to speak of here. In theory I would think that anyone else serious about the game would have done it by now.

Meh. At least you're not doing other shit people around here seem to think is ok.

Edit: Yea, do what Rig suggested. Then no problems. :P Which means I need to go see if any places around here have any rare games to rent. o_O

[danny90044]

goood idear there, hmmmm thats a thinker?
shit i would do it.

[Rig]

Have one of your friends "steal" it from you, for the day. Then, you wouldn't be lying!

[PhrostByte]

That's sneaky... I like it.

[mtxbass1]

I'm considering doing this with the copy of Audition i got from Netflix seeing as how it's not available to buy at ALL.

That's a damn fine move there Sneaky. I would do it if I were you.

[postaboy]

complete? disc only?

[b0bx13]

I almost did that last summer actually, but I wasn't sure how much the "fine" would be for "losing" it. Let us know how much it costs if you go through with it.

[gamereviewgod]

I've done worse then that working at a video store. I subbed for a manager one day at another location. I noticed they had a copy of Raiden Project for the PS One. I loved the game and never came across an actual copy for sale. What do I do? Remove it from the system, put it in as pre-owned title, buy it for $7.99 and go home happy.

Trust me, cutomers do this stuff all the time. You expect it when you get something like that in stock.

[WeaponX2099]

Go a local video store and look there. I got lucky, maybe you could too. Plus Hollywood is gonna charge you at least 35 dollars for it. If it was Blockbuster, I'll say do it.

[Apossum]

don't forget to ask for the box after you pay for it. If they give you any shit for asking, just say that if you pay in full for something that someone stole from you, you should at least to keep the box. try to look a little angry, so they think you're a little crazy XD

[nachzeher]

don't forget to ask for the box after you pay for it. If they give you any shit for asking, just say that if you pay in full for something that someone stole from you, you should at least to keep the box. try to look a little angry, so they think you're a little crazy XD


Just say you lost (the game disc) and you want the box and manual just in case it ever surfaces.

[Spacepest]

Hmm, you could rent it and not return like you suggested, and then pay for it...I see no problems with that, heh, I'd probably do the same thing.

The box is another story though...I suppose after you pay for it you and a few friends could try to steal the box though. (p.s. I'm recommending stealing the box just for the hilarity factor, I'll bet they will throw it out in the trash after you pay for it, so you could dumpster dive for it!)

Oh what the hell, just argue for the box.

[PhrostByte]

You know.. if you really want it just to play it. A used Dreamcast costs $19.99 at Power Gamer or ebgames...

[danny-o]

the only thing is. since you offered to buy it and now your going to lose it, they will most likely know that you are lying. unless you have a friend do it for you.

[chickenhawk]

the only thing is. since you offered to buy it and now your going to lose it, they will most likely know that you are lying. unless you have a friend do it for you.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Rig]

the only thing is. since you offered to buy it and now your going to lose it, they will most likely know that you are lying. unless you have a friend do it for you.

Well, if he only talked to one or two people in the movie store, he only needs to "lose" it when there is another employee working.

[Nirvanaguy777]

I did that with the special edition clay fighter that blockbuster had, remeber the directors cut version for n64.

[EndlessChris]

There's a rental place around me with a copy of Dance Dance Revolution Disney Mix that is doing the same thing, refusing to sell it. I've thought about doing what you're doing but wasn't sure how it'd pan out. I know that for some rental chains, they pay like a $100 premium for each movie they rent out, so they might try to charge you that or something.

I don't know, try it though.

[Nirvanaguy777]

There's a rental place around me with a copy of Dance Dance Revolution Disney Mix that is doing the same thing, refusing to sell it. I've thought about doing what you're doing but wasn't sure how it'd pan out. I know that for some rental chains, they pay like a $100 premium for each movie they rent out, so they might try to charge you that or something.

I don't know, try it though.

Wow the disney mix, I would do it in an instant.

[ratedpeej]

You guys are so..... flaky when it comes to ethics. Granted, this isn't the worst thing you can do because you're actually paying for it, but you're being deceitful from the second you left the store to the second you go back to tell them someone 'stole' it. And for what, a videogame?

The store won't care, and most of you obviously won't care, but later in life you'll likely look back and go "damn, I went the low route for a videogame?"

You do what you want, and you can all continue praising him for it, but it's undeniably wrong.

Also, I legitimately lost Madden 2001 a couple of years back and they wanted to charge me upwards of $75 for it. I forget the exact number. I ended up finding the game used and giving that back to them. They're likely going to pull the same thing on you, just a warning.

[chosen1s]

What in the world is wrong with you people?

Look, I know this is going to turn into a flame-war, but I'm sorry. I just have to say. This is nothing other than:

1) Lying - leading someone to believe something which is not the truth
2) Stealing - taking something that someone does not want to give you

You can justify it all you want, but it's wrong no matter how you justify it. If you take something from someone who does not want to give it (or sell it) to you, you are stealing. I can't say the thought has never crossed my mind, but "because I can" or "because I can get away with it" doesn't make it right.

And the store's stupidity or cruelty or selfishness or greediness doesn't make stealing from them right either. Stealing from a homeless widowed mother is just as much stealing as taking a Porche from Bill Gates. If it doesn't belong to you, it doesn't belong to you.

[Apossum]

^^^^Don't listen to them, it's a trick!! get it before those guys do!!! :lol:

[chosen1s]

^^^^Don't listen to them, it's a trick!! get it before those guys do!!! :lol:

I could have pulled this scam with Suikoden II five times over by now if I were going to succumb to temptation. Don't sell your soul for a video game - that's the trick.

[GuilewasNK]

I don't think it is a good idea to do this.

Have you checked Blockbuster? If you rent a game and keep it, they will charge you the retail price and they have no problem with it because that is their policy. That would be the right thing to do provided they have Rez.

[Apossum]

I could have pulled this scam with Suikoden II five times over by now if I were going to succumb to temptation. Don't sell your soul for a video game - that's the trick.


see OP, he's taking the good christian approach! he's probably on his way to the store as i type!

:P jk chosen

[DuelLadyS]

I (obviously) can't speak for anyone else here, but I couldn't do it. I'd never be able to play it knowing I had to 'cheat' to get it.

What I would do is hunt down the manager, tell him I've been hunting for the game forever, and I want it. If he won't sell then, I 'd ask if they can note in the system somehow that I want it, so if they, ever, ever do sell, they can call me and I'll come get it. (I'd also be back like, every week, asking about it. :D )

[ratedpeej]

Whew and here I was thinking that I'D be getting flamed! Glad to see there are some like-minded individuals here

[chosen1s]

see OP, he's taking the good christian approach! he's probably on his way to the store as i type!

:P jk chosen

Foiled Again! *turns car around and goes back home*

[strayfoxx]

Even if it was linked to him I highly doubt the store would do anything. He would be satisfying their demands after he "lost" the game. A manager on a powertrip in an extreme circumstance may threaten to or actually revoke your membership but I highly doubt will happen.

Regardless, I guess it never hurts to be too careful....

[slidecage]

careful when you do this cause few years back one video store had a game cant remember what is was cause they dude was in front of me. and was sort of funny basic heres what happened

dude: i lost the game i rented
Worker: let me look it up
Dude: I have no idea what happened to it.
Worker: no problem let me look it up
Dude: turns around to me: cant belive i lost it
Worker: is your account ##############
dude: yeap
Worker: okay we will just charge your CC the amount
Dude: can you tell me what it is
Worker: system is still looking will in a second .... The total to replace the game you lost is 200 or 250 bucks

Dude face turned white as a sheet

dude: the game only ran 49 bucks new
Worker: that is when you can find them. for us to replace this game its going to cost 200 bucks

Dude: ummm give me a few days maybe i can find it

person walks out 2 days later the game was back on the shelf


also know for a fact that many places did this with rare NES games (when Dw 3 and 4 were rare they would charge 150 for each game if it wasnt return. same with Blockbuster with that madden game was a big sign

YOU WILL BE CHARGED 200 bucks if this madden game isnt returned

what is sort of funny cause few years later they were selling them for like 20

no one says a store has to charge you the games vaule they could charge you anything they want

[tauruskatt]

a quick phone call and a, "I can't find my game I rented, what would happen if I don't?" might answer your question. (upwards of $75 and a ban on your rental membership vs. a small charge for loss)

If you need to not lie you could hide it under you bed for a day? i don't know. I do get your predicament though, if I found it to be rented I'd be caught between the same rock and a hard place.

[camoor]

And the store's stupidity or cruelty or selfishness or greediness doesn't make stealing from them right either. Stealing from a homeless widowed mother is just as much stealing as taking a Porche from Bill Gates. If it doesn't belong to you, it doesn't belong to you.

This is the kind of guy who when he found out Napster could be considered technically illegal according to a narrow interpretation of the newly-minted DMCA, sent a check to the RIAA for the value of every song he downloaded.

If a business/corporate advocate is wrong/evil/full of bad karma, then why buy what they are selling? Supporting a system full of stupidity, cruelty, selfishness and greediness would be the real crime.

If you can work such a system against the bad actors (aka beat the bastards at their own game) then go for it.

[PhrostByte]

katt I guess you aren't working today. Too bad :cry: I'm gonna come pick up my game after school.

[Enternal]

Yea, the price they charge can be more than retail. So call first, then have a friend rent it.

[thegamer4787]

It's funny because I work at a Hollywood video, and my friend always says "I think I'm going to rent rez and then pretend to lose it." also. I really don't know how much they would charge for a lost copy, but I know the Hollywood video I work at is stolen from a decent amount. Your plan would work much better if you didn't recently ask if you could buy it from them, but if you don't mind lying about losing it, then I don't see why it wouldn't work.

By the way, rez may be rare, but it is not an amazing game by any means.

[Enternal]

It's funny because I work at a Hollywood video, and my friend always says "I think I'm going to rent rez and then pretend to lose it." also. I really don't know how much they would charge for a lost copy, but I know the Hollywood video I work at is stolen from a decent amount. Your plan would work much better if you didn't recently ask if you could buy it from them, but if you don't mind lying about losing it, then I don't see why it wouldn't work.

By the way, rez may be rare, but it is not an amazing game by any means.


Yea I agree, and i enjoyed the game, but always felt like "messed up" people would enjoy it more, and they were the ones raising the demand.

But then again, I like katamari, and my brother thinks im crazy to like that game.

[tauruskatt]

If a business/corporate advocate is wrong/evil/full of bad karma, then why buy what they are selling? Supporting a system full of stupidity, cruelty, selfishness and greediness would be the real crime.

If you can work such a system against the bad actors (aka beat the bastards at their own game) then go for it.

NOTE: Huge coorperations aren't made of pure liquified evil, they're made of *PEOPLE* (just like soylent green). And if you're stealing some stupid thing for a thrill you're not stealing it from bill gates or wal-mart-inc, you're stealing it from that store's management and that store's employees, who will eventually lose their job regardless of their managment capabilities because people keep stealing crap from them. You'd like to cost a few people their job because you don't like the buisseness procedures of their bosses'boss? Just don't shop there if that's the case. Worst case the whole store and company moves out of your neighborhood because people keep fleecing the service and you look around and realize you live in a ghetto where all the stores have metal detectors, cameras, iron fences, and the managment carries a gun.

um, right /rant.

I don't quite feel the same about digital media that isn't released in a purchasable form online though. And even in the haydays of napster, I still bought cds from groups I really liked. The conundrum in the OP's situation is this is a pretty hard game to find, and it's down to the matter of what the game is worth to the company, he's not saying he'll steal it and just never go back to the rental place and move to mexico so they can't track him. he's just saying he'd pay the fees they ask him to. As long as the fee wasn't tremendous, I'd do the same.

[thegamer4787]

Yea I agree, and i enjoyed the game, but always felt like "messed up" people would enjoy it more, and they were the ones raising the demand.

But then again, I like katamari, and my brother thinks im crazy to like that game.

Yea, I really like katamari damacy, and while rez is a pretty fun game, it is not excellent, although it fetches a decent amount of money. I should talk to my manager and say: "Honestly, when is the last time anyone rented that from us, just let my buy it off of you guys for $20 :)" Rez just felt like a shallow rail shooter that tried to be a rhythm game at the same time.

[soulyogurt]

So much for all the people who were going to be able to actually -paly- Rez becuase this store had it to rent. This is straight up a lowly dishonest and rotten thing to do, and no amount of people saying 'no big deal as long as you pay for it' is going to make it right, or OK.

It's theft, it's removing a rare copy of something not too many people get a chance to play out of circulation.

Just considering the idea lowers your integrity score as far as I'm concerned, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I hope other people keep conversations like this in mind when about to trade with any of these people, I know I do.

[jevon90]

So much for all the people who were going to be able to actually -paly- Rez becuase this store had it to rent. This is straight up a lowly dishonest and rotten thing to do, and no amount of people saying 'no big deal as long as you pay for it' is going to make it right, or OK.

It's theft, it's removing a rare copy of something not too many people get a chance to play out of circulation.

Just considering the idea lowers your integrity score as far as I'm concerned, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I hope other people keep conversations like this in mind when about to trade with any of these people, I know I do.

Don't criticize a person for thinking about something like this...he posed a question. Sounds like you would've been pretty pro-mccarthy back in the day(not jny)

[camoor]

NOTE: Huge coorperations aren't made of pure liquified evil, they're made of *PEOPLE* (just like soylent green)...

I don't quite feel the same about digital media that isn't released in a purchasable form online though. And even in the haydays of napster, I still bought cds from groups I really liked. The conundrum in the OP's situation is this is a pretty hard game to find, and it's down to the matter of what the game is worth to the company, he's not saying he'll steal it and just never go back to the rental place and move to mexico so they can't track him. he's just saying he'd pay the fees they ask him to. As long as the fee wasn't tremendous, I'd do the same.

If you're a Nazi soldier, can you hide under the "following orders" defense?

Likewise if you feel Bill Gates a pox on technological advances, if you work for Microsoft can you really hide under the "I need to eat" defense?

Corporations are made of people, and evil corporations are made of evil people.

I don't think Blockbuster is full-on Microsoft-level evil, but the management is enforcing a stupid policy, so why not turn that policy around to work in your favor?

[stocker08]

if you really want it, go for it. I doubt many people rent it anyways. I bet most people have never even heard about it. Except people here of course!

[youbastards]

How is Microsoft or Bill Gates evil? I hear people say this everyday, but I have yet to see "proof" to back up people's opinions. People whine and complain about Bill Gates/Microsoft simply out of jealousy.

Grow up, you militant revolutionaries striving to fight the good fight against the evil M$ corporation! You sound like the cookie cutter characters Square comes up with for Final Fantasy (insert roman numeral here).

Instead of complaining on an internet forum about someone who is successful and has done something with his life, why don't you volunteer at a soup kitchen or the Humane Society (they need people to spend time with the homeless dogs and cats) to make yourself feel better about your place in society.

Here's another example of Evil Bill donating millions of dollars to schools to secretly fund his hidden agenda... =)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/Nov96/ladonpr.asp


Oh, and as for the guy who is going to say his rental game was "stolen", they'll want a police report for their paperwork, so you should report it to the police first.

[tauruskatt]

If you're a Nazi soldier, can you hide under the "following orders" defense?

Likewise if you feel Bill Gates a pox on technological advances, if you work for Microsoft can you really hide under the "I need to eat" defense?

Corporations are made of people, and evil corporations are made of evil people.

I don't think Blockbuster is full-on Microsoft-level evil, but the management is enforcing a stupid policy, so why not turn that policy around to work in your favor?

okay, mr.calling-me-a-nazi. I can hide perfectly well under the "following orders" defence when I'm not the one doing something semi-shady.

If you're after bill gates, or his coorperation, the smart thing to do would be to either pony up and buy/develop some alternatives to his products, or stfu. I don't believe in underpaid chlid labor, so I don't buy the overpriced clothing from companies that I know use those practices to make it. Stealing the shirts in question would not do me any good, in fact if I were to rob a furrier because I didn't believe in using animals for clothing, I'd be arrested, their insurance would cover it, and the price and value of fur would probably go up, therefore benefitting them.

How blockbuster enforcing that you pay for the goods and services they provide you is "enforcing a stupid policy" is completely beyond me. I've already said I'd be stuck contemplating the same thing if the price of 'losing' the disc were right, because at least I would be paying the company what it asks for in exchange for the item in question, depriving others of being able to rent it (because the games are there to rent not buy) would be the thorn in my side there, also the whole lying thing, but it would be through an agreement between the store's policy and myself, not me going, 'omg, those evil rental stores, keeping me from owning this game, i'll steal it and sell it for profit!"

[smalien1]

My BB has RE's 2 and 3

[GuilewasNK]

With Blockbusters new NO LATE FEE policy, they assume you want to buy the game if you don't return it and will let you buy it. That is really the only way to legally and morally do it.

[bowsernieb]

Just be careful with that No Late Fee thing...yeah they'll just charge you if you don't return it after a few weeks, but they don't specify the exact price they charge, whether it's MSRP or the rental copy cost...I'd ask first.

[camoor]

How is Microsoft or Bill Gates evil? I hear people say this everyday, but I have yet to see "proof" to back up people's opinions. People whine and complain about Bill Gates/Microsoft simply out of jealousy.

Grow up, you militant revolutionaries striving to fight the good fight against the evil M$ corporation! You sound like the cookie cutter characters Square comes up with for Final Fantasy (insert roman numeral here).

Instead of complaining on an internet forum about someone who is successful and has done something with his life, why don't you volunteer at a soup kitchen or the Humane Society (they need people to spend time with the homeless dogs and cats) to make yourself feel better about your place in society.

Here's another example of Evil Bill donating millions of dollars to schools to secretly fund his hidden agenda... =)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/Nov96/ladonpr.asp


Oh, and as for the guy who is going to say his rental game was "stolen", they'll want a police report for their paperwork, so you should report it to the police first.

Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.

[Kayden]

Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.

Yea... but 1/100000 of his fortune is still more than 99% of the people on this planet will earn in their lifetime. :sad:

[camoor]

If you're after bill gates, or his coorperation, the smart thing to do would be to either pony up and buy/develop some alternatives to his products, or stfu.

We did that, it's called Linux.

Big surprise - Gates funded a SCO lawsuit against open-source Linux that was designed to bury open-source.

Yet it didn't totally succeed, because there are some corporations that will still fight FOR innovation (thank goodness).

[Cmoore58]

call me stupid, but how much is REZ worth??

[ngamer007]

First off, these copies of Rez were covered in dust at the bottom of a shelf in a dark corner and clearly haven't been rented in ages. Second, there were two copies. Third, I don't really care if I'm lying to them.

Hell, I'm actually thinking about going in there and saying "I can't give the game back for reasons I don't want to discuss and would like to pay the fine."

I really couldn't care less if I'm using their rental policy for different purposes than they intended. Oh no! I'm buying a game instead of renting it, ahhhh! I'm going to hell!

[paean]

The funny thing is that I bought Rez from Blockbuster as a used game for $12.99 about 2 years ago. I bought it sight unseen even though I don't even have a PS2 at the time. SCORED! :)

[TXboxGuY]

Hmmm...maybe you won't have to pay for it after all. It's like it came to me in a dream, *rubs chin* fade out/fade in . . .


Jerry : So we're going to make the Post Office pay for my new stereo?
Kramer :It's just a write off for them.
Jerry : How is it a write off?
Kramer : They just write it off.
Jerry : Write it off what?
Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything
Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is.
Kramer : Do you?
Jerry : No. I don't.
Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off.
Jerry : I wish I just had the last twenty seconds of my life back.

:rofl:

Uhhhh...well, Good Luck, I guess. :---)

[camoor]

He could also return it for spite, seinfeld style

[heffaji]

It amazes me how nearly the entire board will lambast someone for pulling the Wal-Mart scam while thinking this is ok.

[WinnieThePujols]

I've actually thought about doing this, too.

You know what site this is? It's "CheapAssGamer." You're a CheapAss. You don't rent games so you can lose them and then buy them just because they're hard to find. CAG has really improved my life. I do have a life, and did before this...but it's helpened brightened some otherwise mundane days. Reading about these deals and then sprinting out to various stores to try and nab them is half the fun. Hell, I hardly find myself playing most of what I buy...it just feels good to know you got it for as cheap as you did.

The temptation to pull off this scheme has to be high. Truth-be-told, if a game like Earthbound were the topic of discussion, I'd consider doing it. But I really don't think I would. It's like buying 10 copies of Ghost Recon 2 and then selling them over eBay. You're just stealing out on other CAGs by doing it.

Let's say nobody does rent it anymore. What if someone decides to give it a shot, takes it home and discovers its one of their favorite games of all-time? Unlikely? Maybe. But really, man...Don't take advantage of something like this. It's not a hard plan to contruct...just kind of the lame way out.

The rant continues: a few weeks ago, I was with a buddy looking for NHL '94. We hit up a local pawn shop. The manager told me he had more games on hand....he brought out a box. Inside I found Final Fantasy 2 and Chrono Trigger for SNES, each $10. I was thrilled. Finds like that do happen, and I am convinced that if you look hard enough you can find Rez -- and for a respectable price.

You desire for this game may be strong...but resist. Did you ever stop to consider that doing stuff like this may be the reason that we're stuck with these lame ass rules that lead so many of us to hating these big companies in the first place?

[tauruskatt]

I don't take any offence to ngamer007 paying for his copy.

I only took offence to people thinking this was the same issue as stealing and somehow about "sticking it to the man!". :roll:

in other news, I never really rent anymore but maybe I should be looking through their games once in awhile anyway. :lol:

[droptopmetro]

I'm considering doing this with the copy of Audition i got from Netflix seeing as how it's not available to buy at ALL.

Didn't know this was rare. Bought a copy of the special edition one two years ago and it seems to go for 50 bucks on ebay.

[urzishra14]

So much for all the people who were going to be able to actually -paly- Rez becuase this store had it to rent. This is straight up a lowly dishonest and rotten thing to do, and no amount of people saying 'no big deal as long as you pay for it' is going to make it right, or OK.

It's theft, it's removing a rare copy of something not too many people get a chance to play out of circulation.

Just considering the idea lowers your integrity score as far as I'm concerned, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I hope other people keep conversations like this in mind when about to trade with any of these people, I know I do.


I agree with this, I mean if they agree to sell it to you, fine, but i mean just because a game is rare doesn't mean you have to hoard it. A lot of gamers do not know which games are rare and which are not they just play games and taking games that are cool and appealing away from gamers isn't cool.

if they let you buy it off of them then go for it, but don't lie to get a rare game just so you can say you have it.. just like people who hoard all the good games when there is a good deal..

[zionoverfire]

I only took offence to people thinking this was the same issue as stealing and somehow about "sticking it to the man!". :roll:


I wouldn't say it's just that. I find it annoying that people brag about things like this, it's not really a deal. Overtime I've known of several valuable games that were "lost" from gamestores and I hope BB has the sense to charge him what the game would actually cost to replace plus restocking fees.

[tauruskatt]

I wouldn't say it's just that. I find it annoying that people brag about things like this, it's not really a deal. Overtime I've known of several valuable games that were "lost" from gamestores and I hope BB has the sense to charge him what the game would actually cost to replace plus restocking fees.

I'd agree, it's somewhere in that quasi-shady area, very tempting just because it seems like an easy fix, but not really a "deal"...deals are what you search endless boxes for at yard sales or stumble upon when you're at the right place at the right time. I'm curious to find out what the fee will be though, let us all know if you call them.

[lordopus99]

This idea is as ethical as returning stuff to Walmart at a profit with no receipt.

[soulwish2003]

Hollywood video has a copy of Rez sitting on the shelf, with the box and instructions (it has a lock on it of course). I asked them if they would sell it, even made a very high offer which probably made me look insane, but the manager refused.

So I'm going back there tomorrow to rent it. I'll come back the day after that, and say it was stolen from me, and I'll just pay them for it.

It's not stealing because I'm actually going to go back and pay for it. But it's the only way I can get it. :O


You could then return it to Wal-Mart for a $50 game... ?????

[smalien1]

This idea is as ethical as returning stuff to Walmart at a profit with no receipt.


So... Not at all?

[Apossum]

Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.


http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

STFU, thanks. how many 1/100000ths of your fortune have you donated? I think Bill has donated a couple 100 million dollars(and counting) to fighting various causes, including AIDS and building infrastructure in the 3rd world in order to help them progress a little faster, technologically speaking. that's more than most anybody can claim and it sure as hell has made an impact. plz go back to your computer, which is probably running XP and bitch about how you get spyware from porn sites while blaming corporations like MS for everything wrong in the world. maybe you've never heard of monsanto....

[Apossum]

PS> for the OP--a flip top, swap magic discs and an imported copy of Rez may even be cheaper than what the rental store will charge ya for "losing" a copy. and then you can play imports and other stuff on yer ps2.


and BTW, if you don't have a thumping sound system or a way to play with headphones, Rez won't be half as fun.

[zionoverfire]

I'm curious to find out what the fee will be though, let us all know if you call them.

Same here, it will be funny if they want more than ebay prices.:lol:

[jousley]

I've been trying to think of another situation that this might be comparable to and the only thing I could come up with was this:
What if there was a classic car that someone had and you borrowed it. Say, a '64.5 Mustang. You decide you want it but you dont want to pay what its worth. "Oppps, I lost your car...since you paid like $3000 when it was new, here thats what Ill give ya to replace it"
Guess its none of my business, and you can and will do whatever you want, but in my eyes it just doesnt seem right. You aren't accounting what Rez is "worth" on the market....getting close to 70-100 dollars a copy on Ebay. Now if you went in there, did your little plan and they said "Well, the game is worth $100 now...thats what you owe us" what would you do? You would return the game saying you got it back, wouldnt you? Why? Because you wouldn't be getting it for cheaper than you SHOULD be getting it for in your mind. You are benefitting by deceiving...thats fraud. Please don't take me for some lover of Blockbuster either. I really don't care for them and the only reason I go in any of them is cause one of the local ones has a Gamerush in it.
Like I said before, Im sure you will do whatever you want, and thats your call. It just saddens me to think that any random person viewing our site for the first time will stumble on this thread and think that all us CAGers will do ANYTHING and cross ANY line to get a game.

[camoor]

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

STFU, thanks. how many 1/100000ths of your fortune have you donated? I think Bill has donated a couple 100 million dollars(and counting) to fighting various causes, including AIDS and building infrastructure in the 3rd world in order to help them progress a little faster, technologically speaking. that's more than most anybody can claim and it sure as hell has made an impact. plz go back to your computer, which is probably running XP and bitch about how you get spyware from porn sites while blaming corporations like MS for everything wrong in the world. maybe you've never heard of monsanto....

LOL you'd love it if everyone just wore the uniform and marched in line, wouldn't you.

Believe me, proportionally what Gates donates is a pittance to make ignorant idiots like you kiss his feet. Go back to worshipping the amoral companies of the world, when we're fighting the next war for oil or screwing the next generation of blue collar workers over on benefits, it will be idiots like you who are to blame.

[Apossum]

LOL you'd love it if everyone just wore the uniform and marched in line, wouldn't you.

Believe me, proportionally what Gates donates is a pittance to make ignorant idiots like you kiss his feet. Go back to worshipping the amoral companies of the world, when we're fighting the next war for oil or screwing the next generation of blue collar workers over on benefits, it will be idiots like you who are to blame.


no dude. just no. I hate corporations just as much as you...but as far as corps go, Gates and MS are like the least of our countries problems. it's those fuckers like Monsanto, Haliburton and various other massive agribusiness + oil companies who are causing problems and intertwining themselves with politicians. sure, gates is filthy fucking rich beyond belief and has a stranglehold on the computer market, but just to be objective, he does an exponential amount more good than your average corporate ceo or president who hangs on to every last soiled dollar they own.
He's got a lot more than he donates, but he donates + raises $100s of millions of dollars...maybe even close to a billion total...I don't care how much of an ego trip it is-- that's an effort any way you slice it and i dont think the people on the receiving end care if it comes from an egotistical bastard or anything.

[soulyogurt]

Don't criticize a person for thinking about something like this...he posed a question. Sounds like you would've been pretty pro-mccarthy back in the day(not jny)

Bull. McCarthism was largly groundless persecution, even if you believed that communism was wrong, and if somehow you could not fit the right to be communist into your world view... what in the heck are you talking about, making these kinds of comments?

I can criticize all I want when someone muses online in a public forum about whether they can get away with theft or not. Mind you, it wasn't about whether it was wrong or not. And I can certainly hold this kind of willingness to steal, purloin and defraud against a person.

[tauruskatt]

I'm so lost on how this went from being about a rental copy of Rez -> Communism.

[DangerDave]

Back in the day Cockbuster had Uniracers for rent. It wasn't in stores anywhere (and eBay didn't exist) so I asked the guy at the register if I could buy it. He said it wasn't for sale, but if I never returned it they would charge me 20 dollars for it. So, thats what I did. No lying/deceit required.

[camoor]

no dude. just no. I hate corporations just as much as you...but as far as corps go, Gates and MS are like the least of our countries problems. it's those fuckers like Monsanto, Haliburton and various other massive agribusiness + oil companies who are causing problems and intertwining themselves with politicians. sure, gates is filthy fucking rich beyond belief and has a stranglehold on the computer market, but just to be objective, he does an exponential amount more good than your average corporate ceo or president who hangs on to every last soiled dollar they own.
He's got a lot more than he donates, but he donates + raises $100s of millions of dollars...maybe even close to a billion total...I don't care how much of an ego trip it is-- that's an effort any way you slice it and i dont think the people on the receiving end care if it comes from an egotistical bastard or anything.

Well, you're on the right track realizing the dirty tricks that the Oil companies play.

Gates is as guilty as any crisis-profiteering oil tycoon, he just has more money for slick advertising and can pull a better snowjob. Any hard-working honest person who donates a reasonable fraction of their time/money to charity has more good karma in their left toenail then Gates. It's not the amount you donate, it's what good you have done for society taken as a whole. Forgive me if I don't choose to meekly pander to the profiteering power-mongers of the new world.

[camoor]

Bull. McCarthism was largly groundless persecution, even if you believed that communism was wrong, and if somehow you could not fit the right to be communist into your world view... what in the heck are you talking about, making these kinds of comments?

I can criticize all I want when someone muses online in a public forum about whether they can get away with theft or not. Mind you, it wasn't about whether it was wrong or not. And I can certainly hold this kind of willingness to steal, purloin and defraud against a person.

Actually, McCarthy wasn't crazy for thinking that Communism had infiltrated Hollywood and some facets of the government in that era. It was his tactics of bullying and effectively blackballing actors out of work, rather then conducting fair trials, that caused people to turn on him.

[zionoverfire]

I'm so lost on how this went from being about a rental copy of Rez -> Communism.

I turn things into OTTs and Camor turns them into Vs. topics.:D

[Apossum]

Well, you're on the right track realizing the dirty tricks that the Oil companies play.

Gates is as guilty as any crisis-profiteering oil tycoon, he just has more money for slick advertising and can pull a better snowjob. Any hard-working honest person who donates a reasonable fraction of their time/money to charity has more good karma in their left toenail then Gates. It's not the amount you donate, it's what good you have done for society taken as a whole. Forgive me if I don't choose to meekly pander to the profiteering power-mongers of the new world.

forgiven ;) but i'd like to know what exactly he is guilty for. there's lots of rumors about him stealing the MS dos code and all that...but a lot of it just seems to come from fumbling IT guys. also, computers have done a lot for our society as a whole...and MS is pretty much the catalyst for making computers accessible and useful for a wide variety of applications...does that count as doing good? How does karma play into it? also, poverty is a lack of money, so donating lots of it helps 3rd worlders a great deal. it's not about karma or anyone's personal balance of money and good deeds- it's just that every little bit helps, period..no matter what source.
you just seem to be spouting typical "just got done with my 1st semester at liberal arts college" rhetoric. you actually need hard proof to back this stuff up

[donssword]

You desire for this game may be strong...but resist. Did you ever stop to consider that doing stuff like this may be the reason that we're stuck with these lame ass rules that lead so many of us to hating these big companies in the first place?

I'm going to side with you on this. While I think it sounds tempting, my own moral compass would need a lot of shaking to follow thru on such an idea.

Some would say UI was a "wuss", but I just generally believe I was raised right.

[GuilewasNK]

All I'll say is Bill Gates' employees are WELL paid and many retire in their 30s. At least he takes care of his employees.

[Samuelc79]

I don't mean to flame, But I do think it is wrong to rent a game from a rental place and pretend to lose it just because its rare. They were not on sale for a reason, they probably know many people will rent them and try that game out because it rare. They were probably making a profit out of it. Last time i checked it was just a rare copy, but not too much of a fun game.

People learn thier lessons if they know it was rare from the beginning, buy it that time, or else.. move on with your life. I brought Halo Xbox edition as it was on sale and it was so limited to 200,000. So I got it for a cheapy $169.00.. saved more than twice as much than those who brought it on Ebay when it was rare.. averaging 350-400.

[darkje]

You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.

[nwaugh]

All I'll say is Bill Gates' employees are WELL paid and many retire in their 30s. At least he takes care of his employees.

Source?

[heffaji]

You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.

Someone else's unethical behavior still doesn't excuse what you as an individual do.

[camoor]

Someone else's unethical behavior still doesn't excuse what you as an individual do.

Forgive the posters on this board who don't bend down and take it from corporate America. Now that the bar has been raised (again) for filing class action lawsuits, consumers need to empower themselves using any means available.

I haven't even seen where this is explicitly found to be illegal.

[heffaji]

Forgive the posters on this board who don't bend down and take it from corporate America. Now that the bar has been raised (again) for filing class action lawsuits, consumers need to empower themselves using any means available.

I haven't even seen where this is explicitly found to be illegal.

Things don't have to be illegal to still be considered wrong to do. Anyway, in this situation Blockbuster isn't doing anything to him. The game is Blockbuster's property, they choose not to sell it, and until they do that should be the end of it.

[camoor]

Things don't have to be illegal to still be considered wrong to do. Anyway, in this situation Blockbuster isn't doing anything to him. The game is Blockbuster's property, they choose not to sell it, and until they do that should be the end of it.

Blockbuster screws over customers left and right (just look at the whole "no late fees" fiasco)

I submit that it is ok because it hasn't been proven illegal, and that it's morally the right thing to do because it's excercising the consumer's power to make a deal (why do ppl here think that deals always need to be in the corporations favor - can't a consumer ever benefit from a deal?)

[DuelLadyS]

Blockbuster screws over customers left and right (just look at the whole "no late fees" fiasco)

I submit that it is ok because it hasn't been proven illegal, and that it's morally the right thing to do because it's excercising the consumer's power to make a deal (why do ppl here think that deals always need to be in the corporations favor - can't a consumer ever benefit from a deal?)

It's part of supply/demand- the seller's got the supply, so if the consumer wants their demand met, they gotta deal with whatever BS the suppiler's got (or find a new one.) Think about it- if you had an extra copy of Rez, would you sell it for 10 bucks so the buyer can benefit instead of you?

Anyway- giving this a bit of thought (cuz I don't have anything better to do at work :) ), I think it boils down to the fee they'd charge. If it is just the 20-25 dollar thing, then you've got a moral dilemma. If they do charge a fair asking price (I dunno how much Rez sells for, so I dunno what that would be), and you're wiling to pay it, then it's not so bad- they'll be able to replace the game, and you get your copy without risking Ebay scams. Everybody wins.

[Apossum]

Flip top + swap magic discs + Rez import = ~$80 and then you can play all the imports(and other stuff) you want

[PhrostByte]

Flip top + swap magic discs + Rez import = ~$80 and then you can play all the imports(and other stuff) you want

or you could do what I've already mentioned earlier in the thread.

Dreamcast = $19.99 + tax

[MegoW64]

For one thing, Blockbuster does not double the price.

It charges you the price of the movie as if it was a preowned movie and it even takes off the price that you paid to rent it.

Maybe you should learn your facts before you rip into a company.


Also, I just want to know if he went through with it or not and how much it cost

[Trakan]

For one thing, Blockbuster does not double the price.

It charges you the price of the movie as if it was a preowned movie and it even takes off the price that you paid to rent it.

What? My Mom rented Spanglish the other day, and I looked at the reciept. It said "Keep it for $23.00 more."

That doesn't make any sense.

[docvinh]

Bah, don't fool yourself. It's something slightly immoral to do, but it's not on par with killing someone or anything like that. If you can live with it(which I could), just do it.

[WinnieThePujols]

You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.

So what? If you want to be the run-of-the-mill customer that falls for gimmicky slogans like that, then be my guest. When you join Blockbuster you agree to their terms and policies. If you fall for something like that, it's your fault for not being informed. Nothing is ever as good as it sounds in retail.

Is it shady on their part? Somewhat. But it's not like they don't have this is writing somewhere.

Don't lose the game. It's childish.

[camoor]

So what? If you want to be the run-of-the-mill customer that falls for gimmicky slogans like that, then be my guest. When you join Blockbuster you agree to their terms and policies. If you fall for something like that, it's your fault for not being informed. Nothing is ever as good as it sounds in retail.

Is it shady on their part? Somewhat. But it's not like they don't have this is writing somewhere.

Don't lose the game. It's childish.

F that.

You want to be an obedient lap-dog to big business like the whiners in this thread for your whole life?

Do it.

[Unassuming Local Guy]

You want to be an obedient lap-dog to big business like the whiners in this thread for your whole life?

I don't see how reading terms and conditions is being "an obedient lap-dog."

In the case of Blockbuster, as soon as I saw a pamphlet stating "no more late fees" I picked it up and read the entire thing. That's common sense. It's just stupid to think you can keep a movie forever.

In my opinion, what Blockbuster is doing now is fine and dandy. I can rent a movie and keep it for two weeks without being charged any fees. (Note that I don't rent movies often so I don't know what the exact numbers are.)

[Mookyjooky]

It amazes me how nearly the entire board will lambast someone for pulling the Wal-Mart scam while thinking this is ok.

I totally agree, like prison....forums have their own set of fucked up morals...

In prison, a person who's murdered 14 people will kill a man cause he raped a 19 year old woman...

Same rules apply here, Some person will get reemed for taking a game back to Wal-mart for using the Wal-mart scam, but then everyone will support some people taking a list of $5 dollar CC games to gamestop or EB and try to price match it with some new guy (Neither Price Match)....The new guy will be on the shit list for months working off the 8 Marvel vs Capcom 2's he sold to some asshole CAG who knew they dont PM....When I worked at Gamestop someone from CAG did that and that guy got fired...(Too bad too, he was down on his luck, had a few kids and wife to tell he lost his job when he lost his other job 2 weeks prior (Car Wash) because of a water drout.

And thats how I heard of CAG.

Personally, I dont give a shit how some of these "Lets rip off the man!" threads end, and I'm not gonna tell you thats wrong to do...

But all the people who tell you thats wrong to do, tell them to shut the fuck up for being such a elitist, hypocritical asshole.

[Mookyjooky]

Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.

As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.

[Trakan]

I don't condone either of them on any level, but there's one difference between this and the Wal-Mart scam. One is illegal. This is just immoral. How immoral? That's up to you to decide.

[magilacudy]

I don't see what the big deal is. The fee they're charging is if you don't return the game, regardless of the reason. If the game is stolen, spontaneously combusts, or kept beyond a certain amount of time after the return date, the fee has to be paid. You don't even have to lie. Just as long as you pay all the associated fees, there shouldn't be any problem.

Camoor, unless you are posting from a cave somewhere in the desert, on a Linux machine, built from rocks and other spare materials and powered by gerbil power, you are a hypocrite.

[Apossum]

As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.


Well, him and his wife started their own foundation that has raised close to a billion, does that count?

[camoor]

As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.

Thats just the kind of charity all B. Gates would do until very recently.

Like I said, I'm not too impressed with his new charity drive either.

[camoor]

Well, him and his wife started their own foundation that has raised close to a billion, does that count?

Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO

[Mookyjooky]

Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO

More than most people....You probably make close to 30,000 a year...have you given $1,000 to charity yet?

[camoor]

More than most people....You probably make close to 30,000 a year...have you given $1,000 to charity yet?

Someone who has 30,000 is on the poor side of blue-collar and, if they have a family, probably qualify to receive some charity money.

It should not be a straight percentage comparison, because Bill Gates does not need to decide between giving to charity and getting a new dishwasher.

Legally he can hoard his cash all he wants, that doesn't make it morally right.

[CheapyMom]

Returning to the OP's issue, I'm curious and want to ask those who think renting and "losing" the game is perfectly OK a question.

The question is, would it be OK to do this to a friend or even someone you just know? That is, the friend has something you both value. The friend may be rich and have more than one of these items. You offer to buy one but the friend says no, it's not for sale. You ask to borrow it knowing you don't intend to return it and the person lends it to you in good faith. You "lose" it and are willing to pay the friend what it would cost to replace the item, assuming it was available. (If it was available why wouldn't you just buy it yourself, btw?).

To me, not returning the item looks like you stole it from the friend even if money changes hands. I know I would feel that way if I was the friend and it was my "something" you failed to return. Would anyone disagree?

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?

[jimbodan]

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?


Because the business isn't your friend or someone you care about and some of us couldn't give a fuck what happens to most bussiness'

I don't rent movies from either Hollywood or Blockbuster so if they go out of business I don't care, some other rental company will just take their place anyways and it's not like working at a rental store is a high paying job, anyone laid off will surely be able to either find something better or just move on to another minimum wage job.

[clockworkvictim]

I think "renting the game" is not completely bad except that it is stealing and the minimal fee you are paying does not cover the cost to replace the game or how much was initially paid for it... Plus, because its Rez, no one else would get to play a good game unless they could find it somewhere else... sorry ifthis has been said but i didnt feel like reading through 6 pages.

[CheapyD]

... sorry ifthis has been said but i didnt feel like reading through 6 pages.Ditto.



Pros:
You get the Rez disc (no way in hell they are giving you the case and manual)

Cons:
Nobody else gets to rent it as the store will never be able to replace it
You have to lie to get the game


I'm sure if you pay attention, you can find a complete copy for $50 somewhere.

[magilacudy]

Someone who has 30,000 is on the poor side of blue-collar and, if they have a family, probably qualify to receive some charity money.

It should not be a straight percentage comparison, because Bill Gates does not need to decide between giving to charity and getting a new dishwasher.

Legally he can hoard his cash all he wants, that doesn't make it morally right.

Nice way to sidestep the question. $30K a year is about entry level salary straight ouf of college (depending on the major). I'm sure a lot of kids would love to get some charity right after graduating.

To me, not returning the item looks like you stole it from the friend even if money changes hands. I know I would feel that way if I was the friend and it was my "something" you failed to return. Would anyone disagree?

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?

I guess it's easier to do it to a business or a faceless 'evil' corporation because its not personal. OTOH, if you take from a friend, its apparent how the loss affects them. I wouldn't personally do that to a friend, because of the fact they're my friend. However, on second glance, if someone did that to a friend, it's conceivable that lies would have to be made, and that's where the moral complexity comes in.

If he is able to pay for the game AND not lie about it, then ethically he should be alright.

[jousley]

What I don't understand is if you think Blockbuster or Microsoft are evil and terrible, then why do business with them? No one is FORCING you to rent movies or use Windows.

[Apossum]

Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO

way to minimize... see, it doesn't really matter if the money came from osama bin laden, saddam hussein or gw, 1 billion dollars to charity is too good of a thing to worry about it's source.

[camoor]

way to minimize... see, it doesn't really matter if the money came from osama bin laden, saddam hussein or gw, 1 billion dollars to charity is too good of a thing to worry about it's source.

Great, more "ends justify the means" thinkers. Just what this country needs.

[camoor]

All right, you guys know my position. If you want to argue it further with me just start a thread in the VS room.

[ngamer007]

I was expecting this topic to drop off the front page, I can't believe you guys kept this going for 6 pages talking about Bill Gates.

Anyway, it's perfectly legal, and the fee is there as a replacement fee. Regardless of the reason you lost it. Someone else can't rent the copy I bought? Oh no, there is another copy on the shelf. They can rent that. They don't need to rent both copies to play the game. Second, there was a guy above that asked if I would do this to a friend. And in order to make your analogy balanced, I'm going to state that I would never be seeing this friend again for some reason, since I've never been to this crappy rental store down in the ghetto before, and I don't plan on going there ever again. Well if a friend had something I wanted, and he was going away, I don't see a problem with keeping it and paying him whatever his price is for it.

You people are way too concerned with what other people are doing. Especially when it is morally fine and completely legal. You're just twisting words and scouring to find ways to make you look right. But the problem is, you aren't. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Nothing at all.

[CheapyD]

SNIP...Second, there was a guy above that asked if I would do this to a friend...SNIP
You people are way too concerned with what other people are doing. Especially when it is morally fine and completely legal. You're just twisting words and scouring to find ways to make you look right. But the problem is, you aren't. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Nothing at all. I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)

[Apossum]

Great, more "ends justify the means" thinkers. Just what this country needs.

when it comes to charities, yeah, i think this way. but not in much else. it's not all black and white ya know.

[pimp tyranny]

watch them charge $50 for it though

[DuelLadyS]

I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)

I wish I had one of those 'Pwned' pictures now...

[ngamer007]

Haha, that was your mom? Funny stuff. :o

And I won't mind if they charge $50 for it.

[jousley]

I hope they charge you $200 for it.

[redgopher]

Since you're paying for it, more power to you!

[FrankySox]

I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)
lol