PSP is not a PS2 port machine.

[Quackzilla]

Ape Escape: On the Loose, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Port
ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails, Sony Computer Entertainment America - sequel
Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Capcom - Compilation
Dynasty Warriors, KOEI - Sequel
FIFA 2005, Electronic Arts - Sequel
Gretzky NHL, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Sequel
Lumines, Ubisoft - Original
Metal Gear Acid, Konami - Sequel
MLB, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Franchise
MVP Baseball, Electronic Arts - Franchise
NBA, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Franchise
NBA Street Showdown, Electronic Arts - Franchise
Need for Speed Rivals, Electronic Arts - Sequel
NFL Street 2 Unleashed, Electronic Arts - Franchise
Rengoku: Tower of Purgatory, Konami - Original
Ridge Racer, Namco - Sequel
Spider-Man 2, Activision - Port
Tiger Woods PGA TOUR, Electronic Arts - Port
Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Activision - Port
Twisted Metal: Head On, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Sequel
Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade, Sony Online Entertainment - Original
Wipeout Pure, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Sequel
World Tour Soccer, Sony Computer Entertainment America - Franchise
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee - Sequel

I honestly can't picture how you could consider 12 or more of those games ports...


(originally a list with colors, but alas it was in HTML, not supported by CAG and I can't be arse to redo it)

[epobirs]

Actually, I don't have any problem with it if a good chunk of the PSP library is ports of previously released games. It's just a matter of which games and the execution. That worked out very well for the GBA and is a significant part of the DS library.

The best cases are games old enough that the older players can enjoy getting reacquainted and the younger players are seeing it for the first time. for instance, a lot of players won't recall the previous PS1 incarnation of Medievil. A colelcted Jumping Flash with improved graphics could do good business. The Tombas would be apprecaited as well. Wouldn't it be immensely cool if Sega did a PSP version of Panzer Dragoon Saga?

Taking good console games and reviving them on a capable portable is alright by me.

[hutno]

Ridge racer is really just a collection

[SOSTrooper]

I also have no problem playing ported games if they're good. I'd rather play a good port than a half-assed original game.

[Richlough]

NFS:U Rivals is not a port . It's different from NFS:U 1 & 2 .

[jkam]

Ape Escape is not a sequel. It is mainly the original Playstation game.

From Gamespot review:

"Ape Escape: On the Loose is a lightly updated port of the original Ape Escape, which was released on the original PlayStation back in 1999."

[javeryh]

I also have no problem playing ported games if they're good. I'd rather play a good port than a half-assed original game.

Agreed. if there is little to no difference I might actualy prefer the handheld version due to its portability...

[jkam]

While not all of the games are ports they are very similar to their console counterparts. It is kind of hard to do something else though when the hardware is capable of PS1\PS2 level graphics. The Gameboy Advance had a lot of remakes but they may have been new to some of the younger gaming crowd.

With most of these titles its hard to make something really different as sport games and racing games are usually similar year to year anyway. I have Hot Shots Golf for the PSP and I love it.

I think most people just want to see some more unique PSP only games as well as franchise games such as Splinter Cell and POP that aren't watered down versions of their bigger brothers.

As it stands right now there isn't much setting it apart except that it is portable. Not necessarily a bad thing espically if you love the PS2 but over the long haul I see it getting boring quickly.

[evilmax17]

Just as the DS is not an N64 port machine, the PSP shouldn't be considered a ps2/ps1 port machine. Although there's nothing wrong with ports.

[JDMxB]

I think the main pull to alot of these ports, is to show off the power of the PSP, showing consumers that the system can deliver hi quality replicas of their console equivalents.

Now that we are in the second phase of titles, people will quickly see that more and more original games will be released--this is a infant system, programmers are going to naturally get comfortable with coding from existing games first, then when they know what they are working with, break out the original titles.

Really, if people used their minds they would be able to figure it out.

[GizmoGC]

Well, most of those games are considered ports. They are prettymuch to console version with a few extra levels/characters. Just like the DS.

[jkam]

I know the DS has a couple of ports...like Mario 64 and Rayman but I'm not sure what else you are referring to as all the other games are not ports. The PSP obviously has more at this point.

[The Truth]

I think a lot of people are considering some of the games listed as franchises to be ports. All the "Street" games added were minigames.

[Quackzilla]

I think a lot of people are considering some of the games listed as franchises to be ports. All the "Street" games added were minigames.

They are multisystem games, now if there was like an NFL 2001 game than yes, it would be a port, but a current franchise game is not considered a port because all the systems get it around the same time.

If you are going to call franchise games "ports" than ALL of the systems are port machines.

[Mookyjooky]

I know the DS has a couple of ports...like Mario 64 and Rayman but I'm not sure what else you are referring to as all the other games are not ports. The PSP obviously has more at this point.

Scores from a average made from inidividual scores, averaged and then taken from METASCORE.


Nintendo DS:
-----------------------------------------------------
01 Meteos-86
02 Super Mario 64 DS-85 [port]
03 Daigasso! Band Brothers (Jam With The Band)-84
04 WarioWare: Touched!-81 [sequel]
05 Feel the Magic: XY/XX-75
06 Zoo Keeper-74 [port]
07 Yoshi's Touch & Go-73
08 Polarium-73
09 Pac-Pix-71
10 Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits-70 [sequel]
11 Madden NFL 2005-68 [sequel]
12 World Championship Poker-68 [sequel]
13 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005-67 [sequel]
14 Urbz: Sims in the City, The-67 [sequel]
15 Ridge Racer DS-65 [port]
16 Spider-Man 2-61 [sequel]
17 Asphalt Urban GT-60
18 Rayman DS-59 [port]
19 Retro Atari Classics-52 [port]
20 Sprung-48
21 Pokemon Dash-47
22 Ping Pals-29
================================================== ====
Average Score: 66.5 = D-
Average Port: 5 out of 22 Games. [23% OF THE GAMES]
Average Sequel: 7 out of 22 Games. [32% OF THE GAMES]
Average Original Title: 10 out of 22 Games. [45% OF THE GAMES]


Playstation Portable:
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01 WipEout Pure-89 [sequel]
02 Ridge Racer-88 [sequel]
03 Lumines-88
04 Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix-85
05 Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee-84 [sequel]
06 Twisted Metal: Head-On-82 [port]
07 Tiger Woods PGA Tour-81 [sequel]
08 MLB-80 [sequel]
09 NBA Street Showdown-78 [sequel]
10 Need for Speed Underground Rivals-76 [sequel]
11 FIFA Soccer-76 [sequel]
12 Metal Gear Acid-75
13 Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower-75 [port]
14 NFL Street 2 Unleashed-74 [sequel]
15 Archer MacLean's Mercury-74
16 World Tour Soccer-70
17 Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade-70
18 Spider-Man 2-68 [sequel]
19 Ape Escape: On the Loose-67 [port]
20 ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails-63 [sequel]
21 Dynasty Warriors-62 [sequel]
22 Gretzky NHL-62 [sequel]
23 NBA-57 [sequel]
24 Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory-45
================================================== ====
Average Score: 74% D+
Ports: 3 out of 24 Games. [13% OF THE GAMES]
Sequels: 13 out of 24 Games. [54% OF THE GAMES]
Original Titles: 6 out of 24 Games. [25% OF THE GAMES]

Also, the PSP had more games at launch, than the DS had in 6 months.

[evilmax17]

Atari Retro Classics could be argued as not a port.

THUG2 is definately a port.

Twisted Metal is a sequel.

Some of the sports games could be considered as ports.

[Mookyjooky]

Atari Retro Classics could be argued as not a port..

A little tweek in graphics doesnt mean its a new game, just polished up.

THUG2 is definately a port..

Havent played it, so I'll give this one to you. 8-)

Twisted Metal is a sequel..

Yea, a sequel of the first Twisted Metal :) - Its Twisted Metal 2 - Remixed for the PSP.

[jkam]

Scores from a average made from inidividual scores, averaged and then taken from METASCORE.


Nintendo DS:
-----------------------------------------------------
01 Meteos-86
02 Super Mario 64 DS-85 [port]
03 Daigasso! Band Brothers (Jam With The Band)-84
04 WarioWare: Touched!-81 [sequel]
05 Feel the Magic: XY/XX-75
06 Zoo Keeper-74 [port]
07 Yoshi's Touch & Go-73
08 Polarium-73
09 Pac-Pix-71
10 Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits-70 [sequel]
11 Madden NFL 2005-68 [sequel]
12 World Championship Poker-68 [sequel]
13 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005-67 [sequel]
14 Urbz: Sims in the City, The-67 [sequel]
15 Ridge Racer DS-65 [port]
16 Spider-Man 2-61 [sequel]
17 Asphalt Urban GT-60
18 Rayman DS-59 [port]
19 Retro Atari Classics-52 [port]
20 Sprung-48
21 Pokemon Dash-47
22 Ping Pals-29
================================================== ====
Average Score: 66.5 = D-
Average Port: 5 out of 22 Games. [23% OF THE GAMES]
Average Sequel: 7 out of 22 Games. [32% OF THE GAMES]
Average Original Title: 10 out of 22 Games. [45% OF THE GAMES]


Playstation Portable:
------------------------------------------------------
01 WipEout Pure-89 [sequel]
02 Ridge Racer-88 [sequel]
03 Lumines-88
04 Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix-85
05 Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee-84 [sequel]
06 Twisted Metal: Head-On-82 [port]
07 Tiger Woods PGA Tour-81 [sequel]
08 MLB-80 [sequel]
09 NBA Street Showdown-78 [sequel]
10 Need for Speed Underground Rivals-76 [sequel]
11 FIFA Soccer-76 [sequel]
12 Metal Gear Acid-75
13 Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower-75 [port]
14 NFL Street 2 Unleashed-74 [sequel]
15 Archer MacLean's Mercury-74
16 World Tour Soccer-70
17 Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade-70
18 Spider-Man 2-68 [sequel]
19 Ape Escape: On the Loose-67 [port]
20 ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails-63 [sequel]
21 Dynasty Warriors-62 [sequel]
22 Gretzky NHL-62 [sequel]
23 NBA-57 [sequel]
24 Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory-45
================================================== ====
Average Score: 74% D+
Ports: 3 out of 24 Games. [13% OF THE GAMES]
Sequels: 13 out of 24 Games. [54% OF THE GAMES]
Original Titles: 6 out of 24 Games. [25% OF THE GAMES]

Also, the PSP had more games at launch, than the DS had in 6 months.

That is a pretty biased list. Spider-Man 2 PSP is not a sequel...its basically a port. THUG 2 is a port. All sports games are basically the same game from year to year anyway so I will give you those. Wipeout Pure and Ridge Racer are basically ports remixed a little or a collection. I never played an ATV game but I can't imagine its radically different in any way along with Twisted Metal. Even with your numbers the PSP is closer to a port machine. I'd rather go with 45% original games than 25%.

[RedvsBlue]

That is a pretty biased list. Spider-Man 2 PSP is not a sequel...its basically a port. THUG 2 is a port. All sports games are basically the same game from year to year anyway so I will give you those. Wipeout Pure and Ridge Racer are basically ports remixed a little or a collection. I never played an ATV game but I can't imagine its radically different in any way along with Twisted Metal. Even with your numbers the PSP is closer to a port machine. I'd rather go with 45% original games than 25%.


Yeah and there's games on the DS list that should be marked as ports too. World Poker Tour is a port that's marked as a sequel (to what?) on DS and Spider-man 2 is marked as a port on the DS as well. Madden is listed as being a port on the DS as being a sequel. Only having a touch screen capability doesn't change the fact that its a port.

And since you decided to go down the blatantly fanboy road, you may want to note that the average review percentage for PSP games is almost 8% higher, that's even including that godawful Rengoku. Also, like the list said, the DS is almost 6 months older than the PSP yet the DS has less games. So basically the PSP has QUANTITY and QUALITY.

[Mookyjooky]

That is a pretty biased list. Spider-Man 2 PSP is not a sequel...its basically a port. THUG 2 is a port. All sports games are basically the same game from year to year anyway so I will give you those. Wipeout Pure and Ridge Racer are basically ports remixed a little or a collection. I never played an ATV game but I can't imagine its radically different in any way along with Twisted Metal. Even with your numbers the PSP is closer to a port machine. I'd rather go with 45% original games than 25%.

- Wipeout has like 90% new tracks, and just has unlockable "Classic" tracks. NOT a port.

- Ridge Racer's tracks were remixed and reworked, as well as new cars and unlockables...not a port. I was trying not to get petty and say everything similar to another version of the game is a port. With that mind frame, every single Nintendo game ever made is a port of the last one...since they all have the exact same story and just a graphical upgrade.

- Thug 2 maybe a port, I never played it...so I didnt grade it.

- Spiderman 2 is not a port, It plays nothing like Spiderman 2 on the PS2. If you feel that is a port, its a port on both systems then.

- The ATV games is a new game, just like Metroid isnt radically different from sequel to sequel, neither is a freakin ATV game. Jesus, stop being such a bleeding pussy.

Original Games dont equal good either, I didnt think "Sprung" was the hottest shit since sliced bread myself.

On a side note, I'm not a fanboy...I own both and love them for completely different reasons.

When I want an original, child-like fun experiance...I'll pick up my DS.

When I want the power of a PS2, and the arcade feel of a EA game...I'll pick up my PSP.

Jesus guys, stop your bickering...it's like comparing apples to oranges...they're both totally different things. This is about as annoying as when people argued about Doom 3 vs HL2....

[Alpha2]

THUG2 is generally a port but not a direct one as there are many added features not found in the original game. Extra courses, new events, more bonus features, etc etc...

The point is none of the games are DIRECT ports, they arnt exactly the same geme you;ve played on the console before hand. For most every game that is also on a console the handheld version, even if it's supposedly the same, has some alteration to add to the value of the game because they understand most people have probably played them before.

Ape Escape is similar but not the same, Darkstalkers similar but not the same, ATV similar but not the same, you can say this will all the games and in some cases that games are completly different even if they're based on the franchise started on a console. What it comes down to is your personal perferance as to whether the game is different enough for you to want to play the portable version, heck maybe you never got the original and the portabl game while similar has a few new things to make the purchase worthwhile where the original console version wasn't worth it to you.