View Full Version : XBOX360 backwards compatibility w/ XBOX1 UNconfirmed! Exciting, yes?
Ruined
05-12-2005, 11:24 PM
edit : bc is in!
http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv
check this movie and note the "xbox 1 zone" playing fable!!!
time index 3:11
evilmax17
05-12-2005, 11:27 PM
Well, to be fair, they didn't mention much of anything. I know I said that if they didn't say anything then it didn't look good. But really, they didn't say anything about anything.
Confimed harddrive means it's possible.
Ruined
05-12-2005, 11:28 PM
Well, to be fair, they didn't mention much of anything. I know I said that if they didn't say anything then it didn't look good. But really, they didn't say anything about anything.
Confimed harddrive means it's possible.
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox360/default.htm?level1=enushome&level2=fg3blurb&level3=details
a lot of info and specs buried here, but nothing on BC...
Grugger
05-12-2005, 11:28 PM
It was a craptacular unveiling, somehow I knew it was inevitable because of MTV's involvement.
Ruined
05-12-2005, 11:32 PM
I take it back!!~
http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv
BC is in!! "xbox 1 zone!"
Immortal fWd
05-13-2005, 02:20 AM
edit : bc is in!
http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv
check this movie and note the "xbox 1 zone" playing fable!!!
time index 3:11
If you look at the bottom it says insert disc, there isn't a game in the console. The Fable pic is the avatar from what I've seen of other gamercard screenshots.
Scorch
05-13-2005, 02:35 AM
The picture of Fable is a person's gamertag picture, you dolt.
//edit: Beaten. Oh well.
:lol: Confirmed indeed...
Scorch
05-13-2005, 02:40 AM
OOH! OOH!!! But here's something I JUST NOW noticed.. going frame by frame in the MOV file, lookie what I found..
Aside from my "Scorch" watermark, what image do you see?
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/8344/halo6ca.jpg
Hmmm...
/edit: It could either be playing the new Halo (it looks like there's something written under that 'Halo'..) or it could be someone playing Halo or Halo 2.. and if it's the latter, that would confirm backward compatibility.. but given the fact that it has a logo on a Live section, i'd have to say that it's the new Halo..
*churns rumor mill*
rafissaying
05-13-2005, 03:08 AM
thats was a cool video...but nothing is being confirmed. but hopefully it will be backwards compatable.
Really if it is backward compatable i think they would make it a big deal but what do i know.
Monsta Mack
05-13-2005, 03:35 AM
I must be blind, I don't see them outright saying it will be backwards.
E3 come on baby :P
Stop the video at the 4:32 point and u see Halo 2 download options!
rocksolidaudio
05-13-2005, 04:10 AM
something is only "confirmed" once microsoft announces it. so chill, they said they're announcing it at e3.
Saucy Jack
05-13-2005, 04:11 AM
Gamespot's opinion:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/12/news_6124365.html
epobirs
05-13-2005, 10:40 AM
I wouldn't make any assumptions about anything that hasn't been explicitly stated. Offering a theory is one thing but letting belief guide you before facts is another.
Grave_Addiction
05-13-2005, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't make any assumptions about anything that hasn't been explicitly stated. Offering a theory is one thing but letting belief guide you before facts is another.
Sasquatch is real!
The Successful Dropout
05-13-2005, 10:53 AM
Sasquatch is real!
is it not?
my input: if it's not bc...i'm going to be pissed....theirs nothing smarter than having a system bc IMO and i dont have any room for another system lying around just because microsoft made a crap ass decision
Grave_Addiction
05-13-2005, 11:00 AM
is it not?
my input: if it's not bc...i'm going to be pissed....theirs nothing smarter than having a system bc IMO and i dont have any room for another system lying around just because microsoft made a crap ass decision
Yeah, I'll be pretty pissed too.
But if it is BC, then Microsoft will have to come up with an easy way for us to transfer our saves from our Xbox to the 360.
evilmax17
05-13-2005, 11:01 AM
Yeah, I'll be pretty pissed too.
But if it is BC, then Microsoft will have to come up with an easy way for us to transfer our saves from our Xbox to the 360.
They could sell a BC kit, with a cable that went from USB to the XBOX1 controller slot. You could just treat the 360HDD as a memory card or something.
/always thinkin'
epobirs
05-13-2005, 11:04 AM
It is possible that the console will be backward compatible but not immediately. The method I described elsewhere could be very time intensive in terms of running the games while analyzing their behavior and tweaking the emulator in response. Then the creation of several hundred translation profiles, each requiring a big time investment. Keeping the cost of this under controll means having a limited number of personnel dedicated to the effort. Depending on how long it takes to get the emulator ready first before final translation profiles can be created the whole thing may have to wait until after launch and be a download from XBL Silver. Even then it might appear with just a small number of profiles for the most popular titles with other appearing over time. They may see fit to give some titles a miss entirely.
How many will complain if Kabuki Warriors isn't among the supported titles?
epobirs
05-13-2005, 11:18 AM
They could sell a BC kit, with a cable that went from USB to the XBOX1 controller slot. You could just treat the 360HDD as a memory card or something.
/always thinkin'
Or the save files could be moved via XBL as a free migration service. If they put a time limit on how long they'll store the files for you the cost should be minimal and good way to encourage the upgrades.
Mookyjooky
05-13-2005, 11:24 AM
The Thread title is misleading....change it....nothing has been confirmed, just you churning the hype machine a little more.
Ledhed
05-13-2005, 11:31 AM
The Thread title is misleading....change it....nothing has been confirmed, just you churning the hype machine a little more.
Ledit'd.
ArthurDigbySellers
05-13-2005, 05:42 PM
It is possible that the console will be backward compatible but not immediately. The method I described elsewhere could be very time intensive in terms of running the games while analyzing their behavior and tweaking the emulator in response. Then the creation of several hundred translation profiles, each requiring a big time investment. Keeping the cost of this under controll means having a limited number of personnel dedicated to the effort. Depending on how long it takes to get the emulator ready first before final translation profiles can be created the whole thing may have to wait until after launch and be a download from XBL Silver. Even then it might appear with just a small number of profiles for the most popular titles with other appearing over time. They may see fit to give some titles a miss entirely.
How many will complain if Kabuki Warriors isn't among the supported titles?
One word comes to mind - Bleem! We saw how that worked out.
MaxBiaggi2
05-13-2005, 05:46 PM
Of course, Microsoft has a few more dollars saved away in their bank accounts than the Bleem associates then, but then again, Microsoft may not be interested in fighting any potential legal battles over bc anyway, especially when not including it could save them a few bucks. Xbox DVD remote, anyone?
epobirs
05-13-2005, 10:33 PM
One word comes to mind - Bleem! We saw how that worked out.
I addressed that at length in other posts. Quite simply, Bleem never lost on the legal front. Sony even had some penalties levied against them for their behavior in the case. What it came down to was that Bleem, a few guys in the Hollywood Hills, couldn't afford to mount a seven digit defense and Sony was more than willing to spend that much to wipe them from existence.
The legal precedent for black box reverse engineering projects is well established. It is the basis of the entire IBM PC clone industry. In the days of the original 5150 model, there were numerous machines from other brands that ran MS-DOS but were not competible with the IBM. Porting software was very easy but still meant a separate SKU for each system. Major apps like Wordstar were ported to dozens of machines that were IBM PCs but for the BIOS. Many of these machines were superior in many ways but the lack of full compatibility made them white elephants.
Compaq found a way around this. They assembled a tead of software engineers who were certified to have had no previous contact with the IBM PC BIOS. (This was harder than it sounds since IBM had published the source code.) Those engineers then set about writing a BIOS from the ground up for Compaq's hardware and tweaking that until near perfect IBM compatibility was achieved. This held up in court just fine and has been accepted precedent in nurous cases since.
For Microsoft the black box part of the operation is a lot simpler. People with intimate knowledge of Nvidia microcode in their GPUs is a very small group of people consisting almost entirely of current and former Nvidia employees. If you consider what Randy accomplished with Bleem almost single handedly then the task for an MS team isn't that great. As I said before, it would be terribly time intensive but the coding task isn't that major.
epobirs
05-13-2005, 10:46 PM
Of course, Microsoft has a few more dollars saved away in their bank accounts than the Bleem associates then, but then again, Microsoft may not be interested in fighting any potential legal battles over bc anyway, especially when not including it could save them a few bucks. Xbox DVD remote, anyone?
That was a different issue. Microsoft isn't a major patent contributor to the DVD standard nor are they in the movie studio and home video business. Sony fits the description on both counts. Giving away DVD playback in the PS2 made sense for them.
For Microsoft there was little benefit to playing DVDs on Xbox. But with DVD as the system's standard media the demand for the function from part of the market was inevitable. Thing is, DVD playback isn't free. It has to be licensed from the folk who control the patent pool. By offering DVD playback as an add-on Microsft left the license fee to only those Xbox owners who cared and let the other who didn't use their money to buy games instead. (It isn't clear yet whether Xbox 360 will have DVD playback as a base feature.)
In Xbox 360 it's a different story. Microsoft is very much in the Xbox software business and would very much like to see a lot more Xbox software sold. The hope would be that with a larger market share many 360 owners would not be previous Xbox owners and might buy quite a lot of the existing games as well as Xbox 360 titles. Plus, that existing library reduces the pressure to get a lot of 360 title out quickly. Games that take good advantage of the next gen systems are going to have long development cycles. So every bit of good current software carried forward helps.
As for Nvidia, Microsoft is probably prepared to give them a small royalty on Xbox 360 sales if it should be necessary but it's going to be an amount that suits Microsoft rather than what Nvidia might demand. Nvidia isn't stupid and doesn't have the same interest to protect that Sony did in the Bleem case. They'll take the money and keep their peace.
punqsux
05-13-2005, 10:58 PM
Ledit'd.
damn i wish i could say sweet stuff like that when i mod things =o\
robzilla
05-13-2005, 10:59 PM
or it could be someone playing Halo or Halo 2.. and if it's the latter, that would confirm backward compatibility.
I don't think it necessarily means that it will be BC, it could mean someone on their friend's list who is on a xbox might be playing halo 2.
supadupacheap
05-13-2005, 11:05 PM
damn i wish i could say sweet stuff like that when i mod things =o\
Yeah, Punq'ed might get you into copyright trouble. ;-)
http://price.baltiblogs.com/images/punked.jpg
Plus its soooooooo passe. :-P