View Full Version : Star Wars Episode 3 Char. Battle BEGINS!!!
the3rdkey
05-16-2005, 12:02 PM
I summon General Grievous to whoop all the ass and take all the names!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/happystatic/various/general.jpg
General Grievous is only percieved as strong because of shoddy writing making it so. He's got no connection to the force. All a competant Jedi would have to do would be lift him into the air with the and he'd be at their mercy. He'd be owned by any Padawan if he wasn't needed for plot purposes.
Duo_Maxwell
05-16-2005, 12:46 PM
General Grievous is only percieved as strong because of shoddy writing making it so. He's got no connection to the force. All a competant Jedi would have to do would be lift him into the air with the and he'd be at their mercy. He'd be owned by any Padawan if he wasn't needed for plot purposes.
In the Clone Wars mini-series, Mace Windu almost killed him with one force move, but Grievous pussed out and jumped in his ship.
Admiral Ackbar
05-16-2005, 12:55 PM
It's a trap!
In the Clone Wars mini-series, Mace Windu almost killed him with one force move, but Grievous pussed out and jumped in his ship.
Exactly. The Jedi of this era are just woefully inept, it seems. I have to wonder how far Palpatine and Vader would last in the KOTOR era. They'd certainly be no match for Revan and Malek.
Grave_Addiction
05-16-2005, 01:22 PM
In the Clone Wars mini-series, Mace Windu almost killed him with one force move, but Grievous pussed out and jumped in his ship.
I saw that this weekend on CN. Man, I never knew the Clone Wars toons were so damn good.
Derwood43
05-16-2005, 02:16 PM
Plo Koon whooped the llamas ass!
Plo Koon all the way.
BTW, has anyone read the book for the third movie yet? I think it is fantastic!
r1s3n
05-16-2005, 03:27 PM
He's a joke, with no way to defend himself against the force he'd be swept aside and ignored, or killed outright in moments. Which ever lucky Jedi got his hands on him first.
r1s3n
jaykrue
05-16-2005, 06:21 PM
Plo Koon whooped the llamas ass!
Plo Koon all the way.
BTW, has anyone read the book for the third movie yet? I think it is fantastic!
I read the graphic novel version. It got the idea through plus pictures. I normally like reading books but this one was just too dry. The writing wasn't as dynamic as I'm used to, having been weaned on books from Heinlein, Orson Scott Card, and Tom Clancy (and you know he writes phone books so length isn't the issue for me).
Ozzkev55
05-16-2005, 06:35 PM
I think we know whos the true killer is
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/Ozzkev55/windu.jpg
cheapass Gundam
05-16-2005, 10:05 PM
I lost all respect for Grievous after seeing him moving like a friggin' headless chicken / ostrich and coughing *YES A DROID COUGHING!!!* from the footage in the Ep 3 game.
cag1000
05-16-2005, 10:30 PM
i think i win, i summon my super limited edition 1 per case only in the first week burger king 2-in-1 vader new sig to be so desired by collectors that he orders them to kill for him
KingSpike
05-16-2005, 11:43 PM
BTW, has anyone read the book for the third movie yet? I think it is fantastic!
I thought the writing was pretty bad. With crap like 'This is Anakin Skywalker right now" it came across like he couldn't figure out a better way of doing a character's thoughts. It seemed like a copout way to get across the information he wanted.
That said, the book made me excited for the movie, which after the first two was no easy feat.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:25 AM
I lost all respect for Grievous after seeing him moving like a friggin' headless chicken / ostrich and coughing *YES A DROID COUGHING!!!* from the footage in the Ep 3 game.
********* PSEUDO SPOILER **********
He's not a true droid. According to his origin story (which you're left clueless about even if you have read the book/graphic novel), he's actually a cyborg. The technology used to create him is what will eventually go into the future Darth Vader. The story is told in the comic one-shot about General Grievous. Also, the reason he's so bad ass is, like Anakin, he was some sort of military genius before he had a misfortunate 'accident' (which may or may not have been orchestrated by Sidious or Dooku) and when he's rescued by Dooku, he gives Grievous a blood transfusion using the blood of dead jedi master Sypho Dyas (mentioned as the supposed person ordering the creation of the clones on Kamino in Attack of the Clones). This is supposed to give him Force-like agility but that's it - no Force levitation, telekinesis, etc. Also to keep him alive, the Techno Union supplied technology that would, as I said before, go into the future Vader.
********* PSEUDO SPOILER **********
That's what I always assumed, his eyes had skin under them. Also it explains why they can't make another 10,000 of him like all the other droids.
Derwood43
05-17-2005, 11:36 AM
On a midichlorian (sp) scale...grievious is pretty high up.
He is force sensitive. He just can't control it.
In fact, to give you a point of reference.
Anakin is at the top of the list with 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine is next with 20,500 (Kyber crystal)
Obi Wan is down on list at 13,400
General Grievous has 11,900
Sadly, my beloved Plo Koon is at 11,100
You have to have a count of 7000 just to be accepted into training.
Ok, enough geekness from me for a while
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 03:02 PM
On a midichlorian (sp) scale...grievious is pretty high up.
He is force sensitive. He just can't control it.
In fact, to give you a point of reference.
Anakin is at the top of the list with 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine is next with 20,500 (Kyber crystal)
Obi Wan is down on list at 13,400
General Grievous has 11,900
Sadly, my beloved Plo Koon is at 11,100
You have to have a count of 7000 just to be accepted into training.
Ok, enough geekness from me for a while
but plo koon kicks enough ass anyway
whats Yoda's MD count
Derwood43
05-17-2005, 03:07 PM
but plo koon kicks enough ass anyway
whats Yoda's MD count
Yoda is third with 17,700
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 03:19 PM
Yoda is third with 17,700
What is a Kyber Crystal, and is what would be Palpatines count without it?
Derwood43
05-17-2005, 04:00 PM
What is a Kyber Crystal, and is what would be Palpatines count without it?
The Kyber Crystal is pretty shrouded in mystery. Not very much is known, mainly becuase no one really knows. It is, however, the secret to Palpatine's power.
I don't know how directly, or indirectly, it effects his count.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:16 PM
The Kyber Crystal is pretty shrouded in mystery. Not very much is known, mainly becuase no one really knows. It is, however, the secret to Palpatine's power.
I don't know how directly, or indirectly, it effects his count.
Almost double. Before the crystal, his count was 10,500.
EDIT: Oh, and there were more than one Kyber crystal. The thing is, the Emperor's crystal was the strongest known manifestation of it. Some ppl speculate that Luke's Kyber crystal was put into his ROTJ lightsaber considering he was only a partially trained Jedi and say he would never last against a full-fledged Sith Lord such as Vader without assistance to enhance his abilities.
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 04:17 PM
Almost double. Before the crystal, his count was 10,500.
holy crap, you know i still dont know how he goes from senator palpatines face, to that of sidious's. A description might require a spoiler
Javery
05-17-2005, 04:19 PM
It's a trap!
It's a trap!
the3rdkey
05-17-2005, 04:19 PM
If you are not posting a pic and battling I suggest you socialize elsewhere.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:22 PM
holy crap, you know i still dont know how he goes from senator palpatines face, to that of sidious's. A description might require a spoiler
The dark side clouds all. You gotta remember that the Force can be used to manipulate a person's perceptions. It's not too far fetched that Sidious was powerful enough to mask his presence considering how powerful he was. If the Jedi knew who they were looking for specifically, it would make it easier for them to disperse the dark force cloud. Even yoda admits that the dark side is clouding their collective judgement... but they don't know who is doing it.
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 04:24 PM
The dark side clouds all. You gotta remember that the Force can be used to manipulate a person's perceptions. It's not too far fetched that Sidious was powerful enough to mask his presence considering how powerful he was. If the Jedi knew who they were looking for specifically, it would make it easier for them to disperse the dark force cloud. Even yoda admits that the dark side is clouding their collective judgement... but they don't know who is doing it.
Damn He Really Does Kick Ass...
But my vote goes towards Samuel L.
Grave_Addiction
05-17-2005, 04:25 PM
What's Luke's MD count?
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:30 PM
What's Luke's MD count?
Just so I don't hafta repeat here's all the counts (courtesy supershadow.com):
Midichlorian Count List for the major Star Wars characters
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
Yoda = 17,700
Luke Skywalker = 14,500
Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
Kyle Katarn = 12,200
Mace Windu = 12,000
Darth Maul = 12,000
General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
Kit Fisto = 11,800
Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
Yaddle = 11,300
Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
Plo Koon = 11,100
Mara Jade = 11,000
Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars novels) = 10,700
Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
Darth Bane = 10,500
Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
Darth Imperius = 10,300
Shaak Ti = 10,300
Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
Aalya Secura = 10,000
Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
Average Jedi = 10,000
Assajj Ventress = 9,600
Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
Xio Jade = 7,400
Chewbacca = 7,200
Tylus Liv = 7,100
Aurra Sing = 7,000
Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
Padme Amidala = 4,700
Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
Beru Lars = 3,700
Shmi = 3,300
Lando Calrissian = 3,300
Boba Fett= 1,500
Han Solo = 1,500
Jango Fett = 1,500
Owen Lars = 1,500
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Owen Lars = 1,500
Well I wonder if he ever put that to use
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Well I wonder if he ever put that to use
Probably not considering Han Solo has the same count and can't do jack.
What? Where's Officer Barbrady? I declare shenanigans on that list.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:47 PM
What? Where's Officer Barbrady? I declare shenanigans on that list.
Truth be told, supershadow is an iffy website whose source material is questionable but it's gained notoriety amongst SW fans for being chronically false with sprinkles of truth. That said, I think the midi counts are accurate (if not exact) since no one's ever given the bottom tier characters a midi scan so I got the feeling they were speculative. I mean, really, who's going to step up to Boba Fett and get his midi count without him killing the guy with a glare?
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 04:50 PM
Chewbacca = 7,200
And Han Solo treated him like a pet, i think we have a case of Klaatu and Gort here
Derwood43
05-17-2005, 04:53 PM
And Han Solo treated him like a pet, i think we have a case of Klaatu and Gort here
I really don't think Han treated Chewy like a pet. They had much respect for each other. They were friends first.
Sorry for jacking your thread. I'll move on now.
However, I did post Plo Koon in the battle. Don't know what that means though.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 04:54 PM
I really don't think Han treated Chewy like a pet. They had much respect for each other. They were friends first.
Only after it was established in the EU books. I mean he didn't even get a medal in ROTJ! They had to give it to him on MTV! That's a new low.
Ozzkev55
05-17-2005, 04:54 PM
I really don't think Han treated Chewy like a pet. They had much respect for each other. They were friends first.
Sorry for jacking your thread. I'll move on now.
However, I did post Plo Koon in the battle. Don't know what that means though.
They treated each other like friends, but it is obvious who is the superior
Plo Koon is going to kick ass, Power Battle's Style
Truth be told, supershadow is an iffy website whose source material is questionable but it's gained notoriety amongst SW fans for being chronically false with sprinkles of truth. That said, I think the midi counts are accurate (if not exact) since no one's ever given the bottom tier characters a midi scan so I got the feeling they were speculative. I mean, really, who's going to step up to Boba Fett and get his midi count without him killing the guy with a glare?
It just flies in the face of the mythos. Leaving aside all the other problems I have with it (Exar Kun below Palpatine?!,) there's no way there's that large a disparity between Luke and Vader. Luke IS the chosen one Anakin was mistaken to be. He's gotta be equal in Force strength, if not superior, given his quick smackdown of Vader once Leia was threatened.
jaykrue
05-17-2005, 05:28 PM
It just flies in the face of the mythos. Leaving aside all the other problems I have with it (Exar Kun below Palpatine?!,) there's no way there's that large a disparity between Luke and Vader. Luke IS the chosen one Anakin was mistaken to be. He's gotta be equal in Force strength, if not superior, given his quick smackdown of Vader once Leia was threatened.
Well, remember Palpatine had to use the Kyber crystal to get that high and Exar Kun (according to the EU books) delved deeply in arcane Sith techniques that even Palpatine didn't know about (according to Empire's End) so it's not a stretch that Exar Kun's power might actually be more enhanced using them. Luke isn't the chosen one; Anakin is. Anakin did bring balance to the Force. As I stated elsewhere on CAG, balance doesn't mean the lightside wins. It means parity with the dark. Yoda states that the dark side isn't stronger than the light - only quicker. When the lightside was dominant, Anakin was the hammer that brought all of the jedi down. After Sidious came to power, Anakin was also the person who killed Sidious thus bring down both light and dark. At that time, both forces of light and dark were extremely diminished with Luke as the last remaining Jedi (not counting other extra-universal Jedi such as Empaytos) to rebuild the order. The Sith forces were in disarray due to their natural backstabbing nature and there hasn't been any clear forerunner as to the next Sith Lord but time (and future SW novels) will tell.