Xbox/Xbox 360 E3 Game Announcement Thread

[Ledhed]

Instead of having multiple individual threads for each new game announced, we're trying to keep things neat by consolidating everything into individual threads in each console's forum.

I'll do my best to keep the OP updated with everything posted. Please include links to any related articles for the game that you find. Have at it.

Xbox 360
Final Fantasy XI
http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/05/16/cx_ah_0516xbox.html
Saint's Row
http://www.gamespot.com/x360/action/saintsrow/index.html

Xbox
Shadow The Hedgehog
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/shadowthehedgehog/

[Scorch]

:ninja:

[phatbunbao]

Maybe move this to the e3 forum

[Ledhed]

Maybe move this to the e3 forum

Yeah, I don't know what the hell I was doing.

And Scorch, did you not see in your game announcement thread that this is what we decided on?

[evilmax17]

Maybe move this to the e3 forum

Agreed. Have all of the E3 announcement threads in the E3 forum to prevent needless forum hopping.

[Jaket]

OMG powersto...

jk lol

[punqsux]

stealthy i will ban you!!

[Ledhed]

OMG powersto...

jk lol

I'll kill you. Ugamer said he'd pay for my plane ticket. You're playing a dangerous game.

[Jaket]

hehehe i want it as just as bad as you guys!

[Ugamer_X]

I'll kill you. Ugamer said he'd pay for my plane ticket. You're playing a dangerous game.
I never said that, I just suggested a certain field of employment in which I figured you would enjoy.

[Ozzkev55]

OMG powersto...

jk lol
Im sorry, but i must have missed out on this game, any good?

Shadow The Hedgehog(XBOX)
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/shadowthehedgehog/

EDIT:oops wrong name

[evilmax17]

360 has Saint's Row, a GTA style game. So that base is covered...

http://www.gamespot.com/x360/action/saintsrow/index.html

[Scorch]

Im sorry, but i must have missed out on this game, any good?

Sonic The Hedgehog(XBOX)
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/shadowthehedgehog/

That's SHADOW, not Sonic.. I think that game will tank.. get guns outta my Sonic/Shadow games!

[spoo]

Final Fantasy XI For Xbox 360!!!

http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/05/16/cx_ah_0516xbox.html

[Jrunt20x]

Final Fantasy XI For Xbox 360!!!

http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/05/16/cx_ah_0516xbox.html

I just heard the news and was gonna post it, but you beat me to it. This is huge, there is nothing left to say. This is a bomb to Sony's camp, its not an original title so it's not gonna destroy sony, but it will turn some heads now that SE is supporting MS.

[punqsux]

I just heard the news and was gonna post it, but you beat me to it. This is huge, there is nothing left to say. This is a bomb to Sony's camp, its not an original title so it's not gonna destroy sony, but it will turn some heads now that SE is supporting MS.

i think youre over-reacting quite a bit here, sure its a SE title, but its also a crappy mmorpg.

if they got ff12, that would be huge...but this? SE just wants a bigger user base to be able to keep their servers running.

[Jrunt20x]

i think youre over-reacting quite a bit here, sure its a SE title, but its also a crappy mmorpg.

if they got ff12, that would be huge...but this? SE just wants a bigger user base to be able to keep their servers running.

I think you underestimating the importance of SE support especially for an American company. Don't get me wrong, I know it's an old crappy game but it's still support, big news considering SE through away the original Xbox dev kits as soon as they got them.

[CaseyRyback]

Why would they make FFXI for the Xbox 360? It would make a lot more sense for it to be an Xbox title, considering its graphics are two years old, and if you plan on allowing people to play with others, wouldn't you want the engine to be in line with the other titles?

also it says for Xbox, not Xbox 360, or at least that is the interpretation I get

[spoo]

Why would they make FFXI for the Xbox 360? It would make a lot more sense for it to be an Xbox title, considering its graphics are two years old, and if you plan on allowing people to play with others, wouldn't you want the engine to be in line with the other titles?

also it says for Xbox, not Xbox 360, or at least that is the interpretation I get

It won't be on the Xbox it will be the 360 just by comparing how much space it uses on a HDD. On the PS2 HDD it uses 10+ GB of space for FFXI and the two expansion packs.

[CaseyRyback]

then that pretty much makes the hard drive for the Xbox 360 useless considering one games is going to use over half of it

[FriskyTanuki]

When's this MS conference going to start? I thought it was at 6 and it's almost 6:30. Or did they delay it until 7?

[Ozzkev55]

When's this MS conference going to start? I thought it was at 6 and it's almost 6:30. Or did they delay it until 7?
It better start soon, its 9:30 here man

[Jrunt20x]

One hour, it's starting at 7:30 PDT, so for all of us here on the east coast it starts at 10:30

[DarkSol]

It'll start at 7:30

Here's the live feed...

http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Hi.asx

[Mattte]

I suck at time zones....really bad.
When would this start for us in Central America? (Wisconsin)
Its 8:30 right now..

[evilmax17]

I suck at time zones....really bad.
When would this start for us in Central America? (Wisconsin)

In an hour.

[Ozzkev55]

In an hour.
10:00 pm central

[evilmax17]

10:00 pm central

Looking like 9:30 central from here.

Starts at 7:30 PDT

[Mattte]

In an hour.

Thank you.

[FriskyTanuki]

Piano music, not sure if I can listen to it for another hour.

[DarkSol]

1/2 hour now... why couldn't they put at least the 2 minutes of MTV footage... something but that piano

[Jrunt20x]

Eh, I just muted the volume on WMP. Not really that hard to do...

[evilmax17]

It's on, but it hasn't started yet. I'm watching the Sony conf. until this starts.

[Apossum]

1/2 hour now... why couldn't they put at least the 2 minutes of MTV footage... something but that piano


The piano is just fine, I'd rather not have anymore nightmares about the MTV show ;-) j.k.

[Monsta Mack]

The link is not working im not getting anything and It's 10:32

[CaseyRyback]

The link is not working im not getting anything and It's 10:32

the stream is real bad on my PC and keeps going in and out. They have not showed anything yet though

[Apossum]

Buffering...i hate that word

[Mattte]

Same here. It was playing the music before..now its just stuck buffering.

[Apossum]

So Itagaki is gonna speak at the MS conference?

[Monsta Mack]

Buffering...

[kill3r7]

Still buffering.

[Scorch]

Buffering.. Buffering.. Buffering..

Edit: Looks like they killed the feed a second time.. WMP just locked up..

Playing @ 300kb/s (it played fine earlier when it was doing crowd shots)

...

Buffering..

[Jaket]

what are you guys trying to watch? lol

[TheUnsane1]

This feed must be getting hammered on, it is buffering very slow for me.

[evilmax17]

It'll start at 7:30

Here's the live feed...

http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Hi.asx

bump

[Scorch]

what are you guys trying to watch? lol

Uh.. the Microsoft conference.. you know, the guys who make the XBox and XBox 360, which has games coming out for it.. you may have read some of the announced ones in this thread!

Lay off the weed, Smokey McSmokerton :D

[CaseyRyback]

it played good enough for some punk bitch to flip us off

[evilmax17]

5 minute warning

[Scorch]

Looks like they lowered the quality from 300K to 100K.. looks like ass, screen shrunk.. and still buffering nonstop.

[Jaket]

Uh.. the Microsoft conference.. you know, the guys who make the XBox and XBox 360, which has games coming out for it.. you may have read some of the announced ones in this thread!

Lay off the weed, Smokey McSmokerton :D


you dont say? I meant where? im watching some live feed on ign for the insider thing... but its boring

[Apossum]

Please set your cell phones and pagers to silent mode.

[Scorch]

you dont say? I meant where? im watching some live feed on ign for the insider thing... but its boring

Gimme Street 2 and i'll tell ya.

http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Hi.asx

Going good, but at 100K.. that's okay, all I really need is the audio.

[TheUnsane1]

So I'm getting intermitted picture and music but it's hardly watchable.

[Monsta Mack]

Finally working but nothing showing

"Our program is about to begin, please take your seats. Thank you"
wee

[Ozzkev55]

Buffering...Goddamn it Bill Gates...This should be working like a charm

[Scorch]

It's working fine for me now.. you guys should stop and restart your feeds. My cousin's was a few minutes behind and he had to stop/restart his. Buffering every now and then, totally watchable.. got WMP docked in my toolbar.. ready for this thing to begin!

[evilmax17]

It's Backwards Compatible.

[DarkSol]

They sure are taking their time for something that's about to start

[Ozzkev55]

It's Backwards Compatible.
Im seeing crowd shots...should there be something going on

[evilmax17]

Im seeing crowd shots...should there be something going on

No no, unrelated.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html

[TheUnsane1]

umm temporarally suspended?

[FriskyTanuki]

Finally.

Edit: If it keeps stuttering like this, I may just wait for the DL. It better keep going smoothly.

[Apossum]

Video and Audio will be suspended...wha?

[Scorch]

Oh shaddap about the temp. suspended thing, it was for press info or something. They did it last year, too.

My feed dropped from 300K to 100K and is now at 20K. This is unwatchable. It's showing an XBox 360 commercial.. I think. I'm getting a still image every five or ten seconds.

[Apossum]

Oh shaddap about the temp. suspended thing, it was for press info or something. They did it last year, too.

My feed dropped from 300K to 100K and is now at 20K. This is unwatchable. It's showing an XBox 360 commercial.. I think. I'm getting a still image every five or ten seconds.

what if it was about teh halo 5?


okay...gotta cheesy song playing now

[godhatesjustyou]

it looks heavy, the system.

[TheUnsane1]

will there be a downloadable version of this after it completes? I might not be able to deal with this if it keeps dropping like this.

[Scorch]

Now it's back to 100K and going smooth.

Wait, nevermind. Buffering every few seconds.

Working fine now.

will there be a downloadable version of this after it completes? I might not be able to deal with this if it keeps dropping like this.

There was last year.. i'd say it will.

[evilmax17]

Could they find bigger blow-hards for this presentation?

It looked surprisingly decent with different faceplates.

Man, I really want to like Allard...but it's tough.

[FriskyTanuki]

Come on, stop stuttering. I'd like to see more than a second at a time.

[Ozzkev55]

Could they find bigger blow-hards for this presentation?

It looked surprisingly decent with different faceplates.

Man, I really want to like Allard...but it's tough.
Oh its real tough...hes the casual gamer...they need more bungie people up there

[Apossum]

Could they find bigger blow-hards for this presentation?

It looked surprisingly decent with different faceplates.

Man, I really want to like Allard...but it's tough.


Allard is M$' dirty henchman. If I had a nickle for every promise that dude has made for the 360 :lol:

[Monsta Mack]

I can't even see the video games in aciton, I can only hear words

[evilmax17]

They're showing xbox1 games now.

[Apossum]

I'm getting a smooth feed, but the video just looks like a blob

[CaseyRyback]

I can't even see the video games in aciton, I can only hear words

don't worry, basically all they showed was that aside from Half Life 2 and Moto GP3, there ain't shit coming out for the system (original Xbox)

[Ozzkev55]

Alright This Blows...Ill wait till i get back from school tomorrow at 1 to find out more info. hopefully then there will be more info, for my weak heart to have a panic attack over

[Scorch]

BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE, BITCHES!!!!!!!

Time to sell the XBox~!

[TheUnsane1]

w00t backward compatable from the horses mouth.

[DarkSol]

XBOX360 is backward compatible with the top-selling games only???

Panzer Dragoon Orta, you're well loved... but you sold like crap... No XBOX360 for you!

[cdeener]

Just confirmed Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox

[Jaket]

BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE, BITCHES!!!!!!!

Time to sell the XBox~!


only for some games... the more popular ones they are going to "emulate" onto the xbox 360

[evilmax17]

"Backwards Comptible with the top selling XBox games". Does that mean only a specific set?

[8ballGuy]

hiow do u dock the WMP?

[guyver2077]

i better be able to play wm21 on my xbox 360!!

[jam3582]

damn no blinx for me shucks

edit : on second thought that game was a players choice or something hmmmm I guess I cant play something like ummmmm errrrrr that old batman game

[FriskyTanuki]

BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE, BITCHES!!!!!!!

Time to sell the XBox~!
So your gonna sell your Xbox 6 months before you can play them again?

[TheUnsane1]

DOA 4 likes nice even tho this is totally cgi.

[Ozzkev55]

So your gonna sell your Xbox 6 months before you can play them again?
Ill sell the xbox eventually, with the ps2, but it will be after ive had my fill of games

[CaseyRyback]

maybe its just the feed, but DOA 4 is completely underwhelming

[cdeener]

Still waiting on a price and actual date instead this holiday season.

[Monsta Mack]

I don't understand
Is it backwards or not?
Only for major titles? huh?

[jam3582]

I think you underestimating the importance of SE support especially for an American company. Don't get me wrong, I know it's an old crappy game but it's still support, big news considering SE through away the original Xbox dev kits as soon as they got them.


well who knows really look at the support for gamecube crystal chronicles , and thats it . I see why SE went with the xbox 360 more potential customers and xbox live's great track record.If you look at SE press conference they talk about how much more they wanna focus on the online buisness. I wouldnt be surprised if they would release another online only game for the xbox 360. Id be really surprised if they would make a whole new game for it .

[cdeener]

why is J Allard blowing so much smoke up our ass? Just tell me how much this is going to cost me and shut the fuck up, J.

[Apossum]

DOA 4 likes nice even tho this is totally cgi.

not all of it...the fighting was in game

[Scorch]

What?? He said "The XBox 360 is backwards compatible with the XBox".. Gamespot said 'Some', the head of MS did not.

Gamespot has since changed the article:

Along with a firm release date and price point, the other big question surrounding the 360 was backward compatibility with the library of games from the original Xbox. Robbie Bach, senior vice president and chief Xbox officer in the Home and Entertainment Division at Microsoft, made Xbox fans around the world happy when he announced that the 360 will indeed play Xbox games.

[jam3582]

hmmm conflict here http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614498p1.html

[Scorch]

Marketplace.. sell skateparks.. stickers.. and SOUNDTRACKS?

Need more info..

Live Video! Need to find some whores to dance for me over Live.. muahaha..

all this thing needs to do now is order me pizza.

[CaseyRyback]

so people are going to make things to sell?

give me a break. No one is going to charge for their creations.

[DarkSol]

Here we go.... the Media Center PC we all knew M$ was making.

[Scorch]

so people are going to make things to sell?

give me a break. No one is going to charge for their creations.

Speak for yourself, I need some money!

Dude.. TV? Music? Invites while watching 24 on DVD?

I'm sold.

Green screen! *waits* (This is what I like to call a 'pee break')

[evilmax17]

<----owned by proprietary content

[TheUnsane1]

so people are going to make things to sell?

give me a break. No one is going to charge for their creations.
Hmm i dunno if cheapy made an official CAG Tony hawk Tshirt and wanted $.50 that people would pick it up. It's all relative but i agree most stuff isn't worth paying for maybe like some donation type items will be made for good causes. I can see in game livestrong bracelets existing in our future.

[FriskyTanuki]

Damn MS and their live feed. I guess this'll just be an audio feed for now.

[Apossum]

damn, xbox live looks amazing

[CaseyRyback]

Speak for yourself, I need some money!

Dude.. TV? Music? Invites while watching 24 on DVD?

I'm sold.

Green screen! *waits* (This is what I like to call a 'pee break')

and who is really going to end up buying something you made?

no one, which is why it is going to end up selling for free (if that is allowed, MS is probably going to take a commission which is going to render this fuction worthless). Waste of time and money. MS is just trying to make money on another thing that has been free on the PC for forever.

[TheUnsane1]

Damn Gates gets censored out of our part WTF!

[Scorch]

WOW!!! E3 faceplate for the 360.. talk about EBay..

[CaseyRyback]

anyone else think that Allard is going to have to give consoles to starving Chinese and Africans to meet a billion?

[TheUnsane1]

Ebay is about to blow up with e3 face plates.

[Apossum]

I've already listed mine

[cdeener]

Still haven't heard the price of this exciting machine.

[FriskyTanuki]

Still haven't heard the price of this exciting machine.
We're only 45 minutes in. Give it time, it'll most likely be towards the end, or not. ;)

[cdeener]

We're only 45 minutes in. Give it time, it'll most likely be towards the end, or not. ;)

I have to go to work in about 8 hours. I should be sleep already but I thought I would at least try to find out how much Xbox 360 will cost to see if it is worth getting at launch.

[Monsta Mack]

PGR3. woot.
Full spectator mode, finally see the whole track for myself

[CaseyRyback]

thinking people want to watch people play games in tournaments is dum

[FriskyTanuki]

I have to go to work in about 8 hours. I should be sleep already but I thought I would at least try to find out how much Xbox 360 will cost to see if it is worth getting at launch.
If you can't wait, the news will be rampant once they do announce it so it won't be hard to find.

[cdeener]

Did this motherfucker just say that they will have a tournament for PGR3 for a million bucks?

[TheUnsane1]

Online pro gaming on xbox live sounds like something they might be trying to push. Imagine the money with entry fees. If they get this running right I would play pay to play tournys for sure.

[Scorch]

thinking people want to watch people play games in tournaments is dum

Jesus.. QUIT POSTING YOUR NEGATIVE CRAP IN THIS THREAD!!!!.. every single post you've made has been how stupid the feature is, how useless, etc.. then shut off the fucking conference and watch something else!

They pay to PLAY in the tournament, then they can watch the finals.

And there's a 'b' in dumb.

[TheUnsane1]

Kameo is looking like The Legend of Zelda, Special Pokemon edition.
EDIT BTW IMO this is not a bad thing. /EDIT

[Monsta Mack]

The only negatives so far has to be the graphics from what I've seen, but I cant' see much lol.

Ghost Recon 2 looks to rivarly what I saw of Kill Zone

interesting, Call of Duty 2 is EXCLUSIVE to 360 (console wise, saw the PC logo)

[cdeener]

So that makes Xbox 360:

Dead or Alive 4
NBA 2k5
PGR3
Ghost Recon 3
Perfect Dark Zero
Call of Duty 2 (Exclusive)

[TheUnsane1]

Oblivion looks INSANE!!!! Was that Patrick Stewart on voice over?

[Monsta Mack]

And obviously PGR3 and Perfect Dark would be exclusive...

[CaseyRyback]

Jesus.. QUIT POSTING YOUR NEGATIVE CRAP IN THIS THREAD!!!!.. every single post you've made has been how stupid the feature is, how useless, etc.. then shut off the fucking conference and watch something else!

They pay to PLAY in the tournament, then they can watch the finals.

And there's a 'b' in dumb.

just because I think a lot of what they are doing looks incredibly useless does not mean the games do not look good. People spent the whole PS3 thread bashing the controller and not looking at the games. The games are what I am focusing on, and what MS should be focusing on. They think people are going to be enamoured with features that no one will ever use.

no one is going to buy things online (many people have stated they won't on the boards).

250,000 people are not going to stop what they are doing to watch some person win a million dollars in a game

1 billion people will not own an Xbox

they are feeding out a bunch of crap and it gets old.

and Kameo looks awesome as does Gears of War, which is why I am watching this conference. So shut your fucking mouth and quit dissing my opinion..

[Scorch]

Oblivion looks INSANE!!!! Was that Patrick Stewart on voice over?

Sounded like it.

just because I think a lot of what they are doing looks incredibly useless does not mean the games do not look good. People spent the whole PS3 thread bashing the controller and not looking at the games. The games are what I am focusing on, and what MS should be focusing on. They think people are going to be enamoured with features that no one will ever use.

no one is going to buy things online (many people have stated they won't on the boards).

250,000 people are not going to stop what they are doing to watch some person win a million dollars in a game

1 billion people will not own an Xbox

they are feeding out a bunch of crap and it gets old.

I don't care. The possibilities are endless. Quit being so negative about this.

[Zmonkay]

Kameo is looking like The Legend of Zelda, Special Pokemon edition.
EDIT BTW IMO this is not a bad thing. /EDIT

That's the impression I've got as well, with a little Banjo Kazooie thrown in for fun :)

That's why I'm sad it isn't coming to regular Xbox, as I won't be able to buy 360 for a long, long time :(

[Apossum]

just because I think a lot of what they are doing looks incredibly useless does not mean the games do not look good. People spent the whole PS3 thread bashing the controller and not looking at the games. The games are what I am focusing on, and what MS should be focusing on. They think people are going to be enamoured with features that no one will ever use.

no one is going to buy things online (many people have stated they won't on the boards).

250,000 people are not going to stop what they are doing to watch some person win a million dollars in a game

1 billion people will not own an Xbox

they are feeding out a bunch of crap and it gets old.

they're showing trailer after trailer, what are you smoking?

[TheUnsane1]

Is it me or are these games getting better and better looking???
No one Booing the EA guy??

[CaseyRyback]

they're showing trailer after trailer, what are you smoking?

they spent a solid hour talking about crappy uses of Live.

[8ballGuy]

ahh the slave owner his self has just came on

[Grave_Addiction]

Backpack guy = Pumbaa

[8ballGuy]

backpack guy? weird

[TheUnsane1]

What a cheap pop move that was bring out the Raiders player in LA go figure....
EA with a bunch of Sequels what a surprise...

[cdeener]

six EA games available at launch

NFS: MW
Godfather
FIFA
NBA Live
Tiger Woods
Madden 2006

[Apossum]

they spent a solid hour talking about crappy uses of Live.

good. so we can agree they're covering everything :-P

[jam3582]

Im not watching but did they show the updated PDZ ?

[TheUnsane1]

Im not watching but did they show the updated PDZ ?
not yet i'm sure its on the way.

[TheUnsane1]

Square Enix Mother Bitches!!!!!!!
Say hello to the japanesse market Microsoft. Also opens cross platform doors to ps2 and pc on ffxi thats pretty sick if that will work.

[cdeener]

Now they are showing footage of FFXI

[Monsta Mack]

Square Enix Mother Bitches!!!!!!!
Say hello to the japanesse market Microsoft.

Too bad It's a crappy game. But it's big NEWS for MS because now they have arguably the second best money maker on the PS2, behind Take Two who MS already got with the GTA double pack.

[regisphilbi0]

What game just showed? From Square Enix?

[TheUnsane1]

Now they are showing footage of FFXI
Meanwhile somewhere a Sony rep sheds a tear. If Square is serious in this partnership then Sony might have to deal with Multiplatform SE rpgs.

[Apossum]

FFXI on the 360? seems a little odd...isn't that game a bit outdated already?

[Scorch]

..they just ended without giving us a price!

[Monsta Mack]

Even the biggest XBox fanboy (like myself) HAS TO laugh at the one billion users BS.

[road3283]

Sony didn't give us price either.

[CaseyRyback]

What game just showed? From Square Enix?

they showed FFXI.

anyone who thinks a game that has been out over there for 3 years is going to entice users to buy an Xbox 360 is deaming (I mean Japanese gamers)

FFXI has been out over there for forever, so I doubt anyone over there is frothing at the mouth to play a game they have played to death


Overall they had some good games, but their focus seemed to be too much on casual gamers and capturing that market more than anything. This could be the generation that turns off the hardcore because publishers are focused on bringing new gamers into the fold

[cdeener]

WTF? I stayed up late to watch this shit and they still didn't give me a price or release date.

[jam3582]

Meanwhile somewhere a Sony rep sheds a tear. If Square is serious in this partnership then Sony might have to deal with Multiplatform SE rpgs.


u kno sony knew that was gonna happen before hand , same when SE signed up with gamecube . they will probably release somehting on gamecube also . When microsoft gets dragon quest then they will have a way easier time in japan .

[regisphilbi0]

Wow. I learned absolutely nothing during the last 1 1/2 hrs. It was basically a rehash of everything we know. None of the games look super enticing either. All sequels and such. Except for Kameo. And PDZ. Both of those look neat. I wanted my surprise Halo 3 announcement! AND a price! I want to know how much its gonna cost me!

[Monsta Mack]

Wow all they needed to do was tell me the price point and release date and I would have been happy.

The fuck?

[Apossum]

Wow all they needed to do was tell me the price point and release date and I would have been happy.

The fuck?


i hear that. hopefully it'll be announced at some point during the show. The EA guy said "blah blah blah launching with the 360 this holiday season" that's as close as we got

[Jrunt20x]

Wow, that press conference sucked. Man, like everyone said, rehash, rehash, rehash, numbers, random guest appearance blah blah blah. Man that blew.

[RAMSTORIA]

im just not impressed with ffxi... this is like a cock tease... worse than final fantasy crystal chronicles, at least that was an original game. this is an outdated MMO being released to hopefully ad to SE waning userbase in the game. The japanese market will not be impressed by a game that has been out there for nearly 4 years... now Blue Dragon on the other hand...

[TheUnsane1]

I personally hate FFXI but I can see them doing some things to make it fresh for 360. I assume a large expansion may be coming out with it. I own ps2 ffxi that I was giving as a thank you for beta testing and have never activated the games not for me. It is a chance to lock other deals for SE games tho and MS would be foolish to not take this chance.

[CaseyRyback]

I personally hate FFXI but I can see them doing some things to make it fresh for 360. I assume a large expansion may be coming out with it. I own ps2 ffxi that I was giving as a thank you for beta testing and have never activated the games not for me. It is a chance to lock other deals for SE games tho and MS would be foolish to not take this chance.

it would come out for the PC as well then, and there is no way they would leave PS2 users in the dust. They make too much money off this game to alientate their users, to sell it on one platform over another

[FriskyTanuki]

FFXI is a pretty good MMO, though there's no fucking way I'm buying it again. I had my fill on PS2 and that's fine. Bring on the fake-MMO FFXII on PS2.

[TheUnsane1]

it would come out for the PC as well then, and there is no way they would leave PS2 users in the dust. They make too much money off this game to alientate their users, to sell it on one platform over another
I completely agree. I think it's interesting and most notible that unless the 360 is segregated server wise that we will be able to play ps2 pc and 360 all online on the same game at the same time.

[epobirs]

they showed FFXI.

anyone who thinks a game that has been out over there for 3 years is going to entice users to buy an Xbox 360 is deaming (I mean Japanese gamers)

FFXI has been out over there for forever, so I doubt anyone over there is frothing at the mouth to play a game they have played to death


Overall they had some good games, but their focus seemed to be too much on casual gamers and capturing that market more than anything. This could be the generation that turns off the hardcore because publishers are focused on bringing new gamers into the fold

MMORPGs don't age like regular games. EverCrack has players with characters going strong after almost five years. MMORPG was a gaping hole in the Xbox library since it was ideally suited to such games but the three announced all fell through.

This category also is capable of making serious money with much lower numbers than a typical game. A dedicated audience paying monthly fees over a long period can in the long term produce far more net revenue than agame reaching an audience several times larger.

[Scorch]

..we're still preE3, you guys are expecting way too much.

[jam3582]

..we're still preE3, you guys are expecting way too much.

tru but isnt that what conferences are for ? (interms of reslease dates and prices if thats what you were talking about )

[CaseyRyback]

I completely agree. I think it's interesting and most notible that unless the 360 is segregated server wise that we will be able to play ps2 pc and 360 all online on the same game at the same time.

well they said that you could play with PC gamers, so I would assume you could play with PS2 gamers. I see no reason why not.

and to what epobris said, I agree with you to a degree. I know these titles can keep people hooked for a long time, I was mainly pointing out that the game is old and most people who wanted to play it already have. The installed base for Xbox 360 users is probably going to be quite small (exp. if they end up doing like they did with the PS2 and bundling it with the hard drive that they sell seperately). People may play for a month because the game is free, but I doubt many would continue their subscriptions (considering the Xbox hard drive is probably going to be used for other things, like it was supposed to be with the PS2)

[dafoomie]

well they said that you could play with PC gamers, so I would assume you could play with PS2 gamers. I see no reason why not.

and to what epobris said, I agree with you to a degree. I know these titles can keep people hooked for a long time, I was mainly pointing out that the game is old and most people who wanted to play it already have. The installed base for Xbox 360 users is probably going to be quite small (exp. if they end up doing like they did with the PS2 and bundling it with the hard drive that they sell seperately). People may play for a month because the game is free, but I doubt many would continue their subscriptions (considering the Xbox hard drive is probably going to be used for other things, like it was supposed to be with the PS2)
I don't think they'd bundle a hard drive with FFXI for a console that has a hard drive already (unless I misunderstood that). Rest of the point is good. However, this'll help them in Japan, and it could pave the way for future Square Enix games.

[TheUnsane1]

Either way I have A PS2, XBOX, and GC. I am sure I will have a PS3, X360, and Revolution. I'm a gamer owning every console to play all there AAA titles is a must.

[CaseyRyback]

I don't think they'd bundle a hard drive with FFXI for a console that has a hard drive already (unless I misunderstood that). Rest of the point is good. However, this'll help them in Japan, and it could pave the way for future Square Enix games.

I thought they were still talking about selling it seperate. That is why I brought up perspective bundling

[dafoomie]

I thought they were still talking about selling it seperate. That is why I brought up perspective bundling
I didn't see the video, so if there was something I missed, that could explain it. But it doesn't make any sense to me to require a special, separate hard drive for it.

[Saucy Jack]

I've been sick all day, so I knew nothing about a press conference or anything, and I've just been catching up by reading various articles from various gaming sites (as well as these posts).

All I know is that I love my Xbox, and hopefully the 360 will be all that I love about the current Xbox, and more. I know that even though the 360 is launching earlier, and is using DVD technology instead of a new untested one... sales may still be behind the PS3... simply because of how big PlayStation has been. However, as long as I get great games, that's all that matters.

Sure, my opinion might sound a bit vague, but I'm on medication at the moment, and there's still a shitload of time left and a lot of information that everyone needs before they make their educated purchasing decision.

[Ledhed]

Anyone know of a place to see the webcast as of now?

[epobirs]

I thought they were still talking about selling it seperate. That is why I brought up perspective bundling

It was rumored but never officially stated by MS. Some with early looks at the machine may have misinterpreted the removable aspect as meaning it wouldn't be standard but everything since Thurdsay appears to be referencing it as standard out of the box equipment. There was one interview with an MS exec talking about how they were try to accommodate the desires of each territory, so the base package in Japn may be different from that in the UK based on what is believed to be more popular in those regions. For instance, if the Japanese prove to be nuts for the video camera a bundle is obvious but not necessarily attractive elsewhere.

If a particular region is intensely price conscious debundling the hard drive would be an option and that means developers have to be prepared for that in how they design their games. It may never actually happen but MS seems very determined to cover all the bases. In countries with good and growing broadband coverage Xbox Live is a major selling point, so having the drive as standard is probable for most regions.

[TheUnsane1]

There better be a xbox to 360 drive copy option I don't want to lose my saves.

[FriskyTanuki]

Anyone know of a place to see the webcast as of now?
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3movies.html

Right at the top.

[CaseyRyback]

I didn't see the video, so if there was something I missed, that could explain it. But it doesn't make any sense to me to require a special, separate hard drive for it.

Yea I understand what you are saying, but things seem kind of fishy. The talk all along has been about a 20 GB hard drive, and with a game of this capacity, it is going to eat up a large chunk of the space (as pointed out by someone on the boards, it takes almost 10 GB on the PS2 hard drive), and once you start adding in music, it is going to fill up quickly. That makes me think that even if the 20 is included (which has not been clarified), they are still going to have to sell a larger drive seperately, because of the lack of space for these games.

I wish Microsoft would come out and clarify this because the guessing is getting old (I don't mind it for most things, considering E3 has not come, but you should at least fully state the specs of the system and all its features within an hour)

[CaseyRyback]

I've been sick all day, so I knew nothing about a press conference or anything, and I've just been catching up by reading various articles from various gaming sites (as well as these posts).

All I know is that I love my Xbox, and hopefully the 360 will be all that I love about the current Xbox, and more. I know that even though the 360 is launching earlier, and is using DVD technology instead of a new untested one... sales may still be behind the PS3... simply because of how big PlayStation has been. However, as long as I get great games, that's all that matters.

Sure, my opinion might sound a bit vague, but I'm on medication at the moment, and there's still a shitload of time left and a lot of information that everyone needs before they make their educated purchasing decision.

the PS3 is backwards comp. with just about every previous medium of software

[epobirs]

well they said that you could play with PC gamers, so I would assume you could play with PS2 gamers. I see no reason why not.

and to what epobris said, I agree with you to a degree. I know these titles can keep people hooked for a long time, I was mainly pointing out that the game is old and most people who wanted to play it already have. The installed base for Xbox 360 users is probably going to be quite small (exp. if they end up doing like they did with the PS2 and bundling it with the hard drive that they sell seperately). People may play for a month because the game is free, but I doubt many would continue their subscriptions (considering the Xbox hard drive is probably going to be used for other things, like it was supposed to be with the PS2)

Unless they choose to make it a free trial download for XBL users I strongly doubt you'll be able to get started in FFXI for free. (A PH price for the disc and manual at retail may be used to get people started.) The whole point of such a game is that after the trial period is over people are engrossed enough to pay for continued doses. Heroinware.

If the MMORPG as ongoing paid subscription is unintersting to you, thats fine. You porbably like a lot of things dedicated World of Warcrack players can't imagine doing by choice. It takes a lot of choices to reach all the potential audiences.

[Ledhed]

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3movies.html

Right at the top.

Danke schon.

[zewone]

They will probably have FFXI streaming from a Dual Layered disc to save space. Thats 9GBs right there.

[CaseyRyback]

Unless they choose to make it a free trial download for XBL users I strongly doubt you'll be able to get started in FFXI for free. (A PH price for the disc and manual at retail may be used to get people started.) The whole point of such a game is that after the trial period is over people are engrossed enough to pay for continued doses. Heroinware.

If the MMORPG as ongoing paid subscription is unintersting to you, thats fine. You porbably like a lot of things dedicated World of Warcrack players can't imagine doing by choice. It takes a lot of choices to reach all the potential audiences.

I was pointing out if the game is bundled with a seperate hard drive. I know that people would have to pay for the disc and game to get the free trial. I was mainly pointing out that they could entice people to play by bundling it with the hard drive if it was sold seperately (like they did with the PS2)

[epobirs]

Yea I understand what you are saying, but things seem kind of fishy. The talk all along has been about a 20 GB hard drive, and with a game of this capacity, it is going to eat up a large chunk of the space (as pointed out by someone on the boards, it takes almost 10 GB on the PS2 hard drive), and once you start adding in music, it is going to fill up quickly. That makes me think that even if the 20 is included (which has not been clarified), they are still going to have to sell a larger drive seperately, because of the lack of space for these games.

I wish Microsoft would come out and clarify this because the guessing is getting old (I don't mind it for most things, considering E3 has not come, but you should at least fully state the specs of the system and all its features within an hour)

Capacity is unlikely to be an issue. If you really have a big music library chances are it's already ripped to your PC and/or portable player. The 360 supports realtime streaming from the PC and direct connection to the portable via USB. I think most people will see the utility of not replicating the files onto their 360 drive when they can be used where they already reside.

Larger drives may become preferable eventually but there is no point in driving up cost in advance of demonstrated need, especially when those in need are a subset of the user base. Let those who have the desire pay for it without penalizing those who don't.

[epobirs]

At what point does it stop being a piano recital and become a press event? I've had the thing going for 13 minutes with no end in sight. The streaming is fine but I'm realy not interested in the keyboard work.

[epobirs]

I was pointing out if the game is bundled with a seperate hard drive. I know that people would have to pay for the disc and game to get the free trial. I was mainly pointing out that they could entice people to play by bundling it with the hard drive if it was sold seperately (like they did with the PS2)

I would hope they'd learn from Sony's example and not do that. Sony insisted the game was free but many people said they wouldn't buy the HDD Kit due to the perception it was overpriced and this was due to the bundled game. It was the coup de grace in Sony fumbling of PS2 hard drive support.

[CaseyRyback]

I would hope they'd learn from Sony's example and not do that. Sony insisted the game was free but many people said they wouldn't buy the HDD Kit due to the perception it was overpriced and this was due to the bundled game. It was the coup de grace in Sony fumbling of PS2 hard drive support.

I agree that would not be smart. I was just trying to concieve of a way to have FFXI play considering I didn't think it would be able to fit on a 20GB hard drive. Hopefully all these fears are irrelevant and they stick in a 40 GB hard drive, so that no one has to worry about space

[Saucy Jack]

the PS3 is backwards comp. with just about every previous medium of software

Yeah, I just read about that. I didn't really like the PS2, so backwards compatibility isn't that big to me, but it could be a completely different experience with the PS3. Who knows? I'll just see as more develops... :)

[FriskyTanuki]

At what point does it stop being a piano recital and become a press event? I've had the thing going for 13 minutes with no end in sight. The streaming is fine but I'm realy not interested in the keyboard work.
It starts right away on the GS feed, not sure which one you're watching though.

[dafoomie]

It starts right away on the GS feed, not sure which one you're watching though.
The one on Xbox.com is the live feed, which is playing piano music because its probably over.

The one on Gamespot tells me file not found, on Microsoft E3 2005 Press Conference.

[FriskyTanuki]

The one on Xbox.com is the live feed, which is playing piano music because its probably over.

The one on Gamespot tells me file not found, on Microsoft E3 2005 Press Conference.
Are you downloading it or streaming it? I don't think they're letting people DL them right now.

[epobirs]

The one on Xbox.com is the live feed, which is playing piano music because its probably over.

The one on Gamespot tells me file not found, on Microsoft E3 2005 Press Conference.

The one on Xbox.com is supposed to be available as an archive as last year's event was. The version on Gamespot appears to be just the game trailers and having problems. I want to hear the rhetoric as well as see the demos.

[goosedude]

So any news about the headsets for XBOX 360 if the controllers are wireless?? Are they wireless as well over 2.4ghz or 5ghz or Bluetooth?? As the CAG HALO 2 Clan member that gets the most abuse for the LOGITECH WIRELESS HEADSET.....they better have that technology figured out b/c I have yet to experience a perfect wireless headset....especially in city environments. SCRATCH!! POP!!

Will old XBOX Wireless controllers be compatible as well?? Would hate to lose the Logitech one's....near perfection. I am assuming you might be able to use the old Wired Controllers via a USB Adapter.

[FriskyTanuki]

The one on Xbox.com is supposed to be available as an archive as last year's event was. The version on Gamespot appears to be just the game trailers and having problems. I want to hear the rhetoric as well as see the demos.
What the hell are you talking about? The Gamespot video has the whole show, from beginning to end, nothing missing at all.

[dafoomie]

Are you downloading it or streaming it? I don't think they're letting people DL them right now.
The link provided only has download options, doesn't have an option for streaming. Can you show me the link for streaming?

[FriskyTanuki]

The link provided only has download options, doesn't have an option for streaming. Can you show me the link for streaming?
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3movies.html

It's the same place I sent you, there are two icons next to each video. One is an arrow, which is for downloading the video, which isn't what you want. The other is for streaming, the blue TV or whatever it is, and that's the one that you want. I have no idea why this isn't working for everyone but me, it's been working just fine all day.

Here's a pic that shows you exactly what to click.

http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9801/msconf8pg.th.jpg (http://img219.echo.cx/my.php?image=msconf8pg.jpg)

[spoo]

they showed FFXI.

anyone who thinks a game that has been out over there for 3 years is going to entice users to buy an Xbox 360 is deaming (I mean Japanese gamers)

FFXI has been out over there for forever, so I doubt anyone over there is frothing at the mouth to play a game they have played to death


Overall they had some good games, but their focus seemed to be too much on casual gamers and capturing that market more than anything. This could be the generation that turns off the hardcore because publishers are focused on bringing new gamers into the fold

Getting FFXI just shows how MS is committed to the hardcore gamers.
I am. I quit FFXI and I have been getting the itch to play it again. FFXI looked wonderful on the video MS showed. I am going to buy the 360 for FFXI! I have tried EQ2 and WOW but all I could think about while playing EQ2 and WOW is that it doses not have the charm as FFXI.

Great move SE & MS :applause:

It may not be your taste but it sure is mine :) The reason I bought a PS2 was to FFX & FFXI. FFXI is not dead and is far from it.

[dafoomie]

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3movies.html

It's the same place I sent you, there are two icons next to each video. One is an arrow, which is for downloading the video, which isn't what you want. The other is for streaming, the blue TV or whatever it is, and that's the one that you want. I have no idea why this isn't working for everyone but me, it's been working just fine all day.

Here's a pic that shows you exactly what to click.

http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9801/msconf8pg.th.jpg (http://img219.echo.cx/my.php?image=msconf8pg.jpg)
Cute. The row of "streaming" doesn't appear on the page for me. I'm watching it anyway though, found a direct link.

http://home.comcast.net/~dafoomie/gs.jpg


By the way, I just noticed how rediculous J Allard looks, wearing a suit coat over a hoodie. Almost as retarded as having a single letter for your first name. He's a very smart guy though.

[spoo]

dafoomie just use this link to watch
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32...cast-001-Hi.asx

[dafoomie]

dafoomie just use this link to watch
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32...cast-001-Hi.asx
I'm already watching it... And that link doesn't work.

[spoo]

I'm already watching it... And that link doesn't work.

Hmm it worked for me. BTW I love the sig :drool:

Edit: now it dose not. I tried it before I posted the link. You broke it! ;)

[dafoomie]

Hmm it worked for me. BTW I love the sig :drool:
The link wasn't abbriviated by the message board, those 3 dots (...) are in the url, I don't think those were meant to be there.

I like my sig too, was thinking of doing a side by side with the PS3, or slapping the George Foreman's Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine logo on there. Maybe someone can photoshop the PS3 open like a grill with some steaks cooking.

BTW, does the Xbox.com one have the "proprietary" stuff edited out?

I'm at the first one of those parts... I want to see what Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer said.

[dafoomie]

Is this it?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Hi.asx

Is it just me, or does Gamespot's look better?
http://www.gamespot.com/live/stream_asx.html?speed=300&path=2stream_microsoft_e305_pressconf_hi.asx&playall=&letsgs=&push=&prestream=gsad_army_observe_040505&first=
(Copy that into open URL in Media Player)

[gokou36]

MMORPGs don't age like regular games. EverCrack has players with characters going strong after almost five years. MMORPG was a gaping hole in the Xbox library since it was ideally suited to such games but the three announced all fell through.

This category also is capable of making serious money with much lower numbers than a typical game. A dedicated audience paying monthly fees over a long period can in the long term produce far more net revenue than agame reaching an audience several times larger.


I don't agree with this. Everquest was going strong for 5 years was because they had almost no competition. It is slowly dying tho, SOE had to merge alot of the servers just recently, and its probably due to World of Warcraft and partially Everquest 2.

I honestly don't think FFXI will sell over 50k units for xbox360 unless SquareEnix decides to put in new servers for that launch. And I HIGHLY doubt FFXI would motivate japanese people to buy the xbox360.

[dafoomie]

I don't agree with this. Everquest was going strong for 5 years was because they had almost no competition. It is slowly dying tho, SOE had to merge alot of the servers just recently, and its probably due to World of Warcraft and partially Everquest 2.

I honestly don't think FFXI will sell over 50k units for xbox360 unless SquareEnix decides to put in new servers for that launch. And I HIGHLY doubt FFXI would motivate japanese people to buy the xbox360.
Combine FFXI, future Square games on the platform, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Dead or Alive 4, 99 Nights, Condemned, Dead Rising, and you have serious motivation for Japanese people to buy the Xbox. The support from Japanese developers is there this time around.

[Ozzkev55]

Any important updates since 11 pm est yesterday

[gokou36]

Combine FFXI, future Square games on the platform, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Dead or Alive 4, 99 Nights, Condemned, Dead Rising, and you have serious motivation for Japanese people to buy the Xbox. The support from Japanese developers is there this time around.


I was going off of what someone said FFXI alone would motivate people to buy xbox360.

[dafoomie]

I was going off of what someone said FFXI alone would motivate people to buy xbox360.
Oh, well yeah, it by itself isn't going to do shit, you're right about that. I think Square is using this to test the waters a little bit, its much less of a risk than a completely new game.

[epobirs]

I don't agree with this. Everquest was going strong for 5 years was because they had almost no competition. It is slowly dying tho, SOE had to merge alot of the servers just recently, and its probably due to World of Warcraft and partially Everquest 2.

I honestly don't think FFXI will sell over 50k units for xbox360 unless SquareEnix decides to put in new servers for that launch. And I HIGHLY doubt FFXI would motivate japanese people to buy the xbox360.

Simply not true. Several successful games preceded EQ into the market. (Ultima Online, Meridian59, etc.) During the years EQ has been through a truckload of expansions. FFXI is still young in that respect. Square Enix plans to keep building up their world for a long time to come. If they get the client software for the 360 out within the first half of 2006 the game world will be no more aged than EQ was for the majority of players when they got involved. It took a good while for the buzz to build for an MMORPG still when EQ started.

50K sales for an existing MMORPG is actually quite good if all of those become subscribers for at least one year. EQ's original target for profitability was 100K but they were happily surprised to find themselves at 400K and growing before WoW and EQ II began drawing off people. The problem with EQ II was that they couldn't implement the kind of improvements they wanted for new material without requiring more PC than many of the players had. The solution was a separate environment catering to high end PC owners and hoping it did n't take too long before the specs seemed less stringent in terms of the average PC.

That wouldn't be a problem for a console based MMORPG. The platform is static. The biggest issue they'd face is telling people they'd need to upgrade their drive capacity or plug-in a USB of x or greater space to enter the new territory. Compared to what I've seen dedicated players spend in service of PC based MMORPGS that isn't a big expenditure.

Why would new servers be needed. Are there performance problems now? If you mean Xbox users should be playing in their own separate newly spawned world, that doesn't require a big hardware investment, just separate instances of the software running the capacity is available. What is happening physically at the server side and what players are lead to believe can be two very different things. Players are often fooled into thinking the server is performing some awesome task because they see lots of pretty pictures at their end but that is completely local. The server is just dealing in database entries and their updates/interactions. Capacity problems are pipe issues rather than the server itself but it looks the same from the client end.

[epobirs]

Ah, the Xbox.com archive is now being offered in high and low streams. I was starting to get a decent stream from Gamespot last night but some -ahem- household issues left me too annoyed to sit through it then. After enduring the Sony spiel I'm probably going to wait for a version I can download and have FF control.

[epobirs]

Oh, well yeah, it by itself isn't going to do shit, you're right about that. I think Square is using this to test the waters a little bit, its much less of a risk than a completely new game.

By itself it isn't going to build a market that will draw more third parties but a wall is made of individual bricks. This genre was a gaping hole in the Xbox library. The machine that should have been THE alternative to the PC as MMORPG platform with easy setup instead had nothing at all to offer. In Asian markets, not just Korea, this is a genre that is showing great growth. Square has good reason to see it as becoming a big profit center over the coming years.

[cdeener]

I wonder if they will do a price drop on the Xbox around the holiday season since they are coming out with 360 at that time and if they will drop the price of Xbox games?

[cdeener]

Another thing that is interesting to me is the fact that we will have to get rid of all of those nice S controllers and won't be able to use them with 360.

[dafoomie]

By itself it isn't going to build a market that will draw more third parties but a wall is made of individual bricks. This genre was a gaping hole in the Xbox library. The machine that should have been THE alternative to the PC as MMORPG platform with easy setup instead had nothing at all to offer. In Asian markets, not just Korea, this is a genre that is showing great growth. Square has good reason to see it as becoming a big profit center over the coming years.
Exactly, by itself its nothing, but its a very big piece of the growing Japanese support.

There are several other MMO's on the way, including True Fantasy Live Online. And a Korean company is making an MMOFPS based on the Unreal 3 engine, Huxley.

[epobirs]

Exactly, by itself its nothing, but its a very big piece of the growing Japanese support.

There are several other MMO's on the way, including True Fantasy Live Online. And a Korean company is making an MMOFPS based on the Unreal 3 engine, Huxley.

That one will be interesting to see how the mechanics of the long term aspect works. They've been playing their cards very close to the vest in interviews so far.

The TFLO project I'm not so confident about. It's become one of those cursed products. Although if Rare can finally release Kameo on its fourth platform, anything is possible.

[epobirs]

After having watched the video I think people may be misinterpreting the statement about backward compatibility. These are marketing guys in sales pitch mode. The phrase 'bestselling' doesn't necessarily mean that only the top titles will be supported. for those people it can be a blanket term for the entire Xbox library. Such adjectives of questionable validity fall from their lips almost unconsciously.

[Grave_Addiction]

Exactly, by itself its nothing, but its a very big piece of the growing Japanese support.

There are several other MMO's on the way, including True Fantasy Live Online. And a Korean company is making an MMOFPS based on the Unreal 3 engine, Huxley.

Wait, what is this madness? TFLO is back in development? Please tell me it's true.

[epobirs]

I wonder if they will do a price drop on the Xbox around the holiday season since they are coming out with 360 at that time and if they will drop the price of Xbox games?

Doubtful. Nvidia has stated that they've scheduled the final delivery of Xbox chips for August. The supply of the original Xbox at retail will be very limited and still has a good appeal to people just now ready for current generation stuff. The only reason they'd have to cut the price would be if retailers started to complain they'd become unsellable. Since many retailers have had short supplies for a while now it probably won't happen. The last few units may even carry a premium for those last determined buyers.

Now that backward compatibility has been confirmed the only remaing question is price. If the 360 carries a low enough tag most shoppers denied the chance to buy an original Xbox new won't have much to complain about if they can hold out for the new console but still use the hits from the earlier machine.

[epobirs]

Wait, what is this madness? TFLO is back in development? Please tell me it's true.

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8167&ngb2=oxy

The developer has indicated they're still working on it but didn't say for what platform. It would have to be a next gen system to make it worth doing at this late date.

It could be a case like Psychonauts. After going wayyyy over the schedule Microsoft decided they weren't going to keep pouring money in it. (They have Rare for that sort of thing.) But it didn't end the project. Majesco made a bet that Double Fine could finish it in a reasonable time frame and funded the continuing development along with a PS2 version. So far that has worked out well. OTOH hand there are cursed projects like Malice that although finally released is only a pale shadow of its original promise.

[alongx]

I wonder if they will do a price drop on the Xbox around the holiday season since they are coming out with 360 at that time and if they will drop the price of Xbox games?

They won't drop the price. They will discontinue it. nVidia officially stopped production of the Xbox GPU.

[cdeener]

They won't drop the price. They will discontinue it. nVidia officially stopped production of the Xbox GPU.

Damn!, that sucks. That means that MS will sell off its inventory at that $150 price point. I was thinking that I could pick up a new one on the cheap.

[gokou36]

Simply not true. Several successful games preceded EQ into the market. (Ultima Online, Meridian59, etc.) During the years EQ has been through a truckload of expansions. FFXI is still young in that respect. Square Enix plans to keep building up their world for a long time to come. If they get the client software for the 360 out within the first half of 2006 the game world will be no more aged than EQ was for the majority of players when they got involved. It took a good while for the buzz to build for an MMORPG still when EQ started.

Those games you mentioned were old and they weren't in 3D, plus they were losing or already lost their customers to EQ. EQ was losing its touch around the 4th year, but there were no other contenders to dethrone it from the king of MMORPG, til WoW came out. Now that WoW, EQ2, Guild Wars is out, I don't see many new people would be interested in FFXI in 2006.



Why would new servers be needed. Are there performance problems now? If you mean Xbox users should be playing in their own separate newly spawned world, that doesn't require a big hardware investment, just separate instances of the software running the capacity is available. What is happening physically at the server side and what players are lead to believe can be two very different things. Players are often fooled into thinking the server is performing some awesome task because they see lots of pretty pictures at their end but that is completely local. The server is just dealing in database entries and their updates/interactions. Capacity problems are pipe issues rather than the server itself but it looks the same from the client end.

Nah, i'm talking about the economy in that game. Way too many farmers, high lvlers, the economy is so screwed up. Yeah I know the US didn't have new servers but there were some servers that were like 3months old.

I don't see who would want to play FFXI for xbox360 when they could either play it for PC or PS2. Any die-hard FF fan would play it by now. BTW for those who want to return to FFXI, SquareEnix will allow people to reactivate their content ID(character) in June.

[epobirs]

I don't see who would want to play FFXI for xbox360 when they could either play it for PC or PS2. Any die-hard FF fan would play it by now. BTW for those who want to return to FFXI, SquareEnix will allow people to reactivate their content ID(character) in June.

You're making two assumptions. First that every prospective player owns a PS2 (plus is willing to pay the price for the HDD Kit) or a suitably equipped PC. Second, that the interest is limited to FF fans. A lot of MMORPG players I've know didn't get into RPGs previously. It was the multi-player and expanding, evolving world that drew them in. Plus, there are a lot of people, including myself, who greatly prefer to do their gaming on consoles. The console MMORPG is still in its infancy. So far Sony has done a terrible job with it as part of their terrible job of PS2 hard drive support. The situation would be a lot different on a platform ready to run the game out of the box. (Though a USB or compatible wireless keyboard would really be a must.)

The details are still scarce. At the least we can expect the client to be more than just a port of the PC software, or to match a major revision of the PC software to also be delivered in 2006. That can put a new face on the existing content and may mark the debut of new content.

[zewone]

I wonder if there will be headset support for FFXI, similar to how PSO got headset support when it came to the Xbox, that would make things easier than needing a wireless keyboard.

[adamada]

So Xbox 360 will be at least partially backwards-compatible.... interesting...

"Along with a firm release date and price point, the other big question surrounding the 360 was backward compatibility. However, Microsoft would only say that the console will be "backward-compatible with top-selling Xbox games." This ambiguous wording could mean that Microsoft will select which titles will run on the next-gen console. However, it could also simply mean that Microsoft is merely being prudent in case some original Xbox titles don't work on the 360, as was the case with some older PlayStation 1 games and the PlayStation 2."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html

[zewone]

I like my sig too, was thinking of doing a side by side with the PS3, or slapping the George Foreman's Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine logo on there. Maybe someone can photoshop the PS3 open like a grill with some steaks cooking.
http://img265.echo.cx/img265/6782/ps3grill2gp.jpg

[PsyClerk]

Those games you mentioned were old and they weren't in 3D, plus they were losing or already lost their customers to EQ. EQ was losing its touch around the 4th year, but there were no other contenders to dethrone it from the king of MMORPG, til WoW came out. Now that WoW, EQ2, Guild Wars is out, I don't see many new people would be interested in FFXI in 2006.

Asheron's Call, Anarchy Online, Dark Age of Camelot...all of those did big business. Maybe they aren't doing as well as before, but then neither is EQ. At one time, EQ, UO, and AC were 'the big three' in MMORPGs. Anarchy Online was a serious contender, but one of the worst game launches in history limited it's impact. DAOC became the EQ alternative.

Of course, I didn't even mention Lineage, which dwarfed EQ thanks to it's Korean following. At it's peak, EQ had about 600K players. Lineage had well over 3 million players at it's peak.

And for the record, last numbers I saw (a bit old now) showed more people playing FFXI than either of the EQ games. FFXI is second only to WoW in terms of subscribers. (once again, this doesn't account for either Lineage game, both of which have over 2 million subscribers each and dwarf FFXI/WoW)

[modium]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615220p1.html
Our sharp-eyed web-checkers have just reported that online retailer EB Games is now listing (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/groups/E3_2005/xbox360.asp) all announced Xbox 360 titles for pre-order. Most interesting, however, is that the company is listing the titles at $60 -- only ten dollars above the typical game price for this generation. EB Games is also listing a ship date of November 1 for the titles.
Gulp!

[epobirs]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615220p1.html

Gulp!

Meaningless at this point. Remember the $200 price they listed for the DS until an offial price was announced?

[FriskyTanuki]

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/615/615506p1.html

Castlevania: Curse of Darkness is coming to Xbox.

[Zoglog]

So Xbox 360 will be at least partially backwards-compatible.... interesting...

"Along with a firm release date and price point, the other big question surrounding the 360 was backward compatibility. However, Microsoft would only say that the console will be "backward-compatible with top-selling Xbox games." This ambiguous wording could mean that Microsoft will select which titles will run on the next-gen console. However, it could also simply mean that Microsoft is merely being prudent in case some original Xbox titles don't work on the 360, as was the case with some older PlayStation 1 games and the PlayStation 2."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html

I can form 2 scenarios in my mind

#1 Microsoft wants to somehow not hinder the sales of Xboxes or for people to merely get rid of thier old xboxes when the new console is released.

#2 microsoft has been having problems making backwards compatability work 100% therefore they don't want to make any guarentees and have games not work later. Therefore they're putting thier effort into "top titles" they can guarentee to work.

Somehow I think #2 is more likely since I don't see why they would try to continue selling xboes after 360 is released, but it's awlays possible

on another note it's cool to see that the xbox is getting the new castlevania game. Microsoft has done a good job (coff too much money) of getting 3rd party support.

[spoo]

Meaningless at this point. Remember the $200 price they listed for the DS until an offial price was announced?
And the $49.99 games for the DS.

[Monsta Mack]

Well atleast the 360 is somewhat backwards, thats better then nothing at all, but everyone was expecting it to be totally backwards or not backwards at all. But what I *REALLY* wanted was ALL previously XBox LIVE titles to work.

Hopefully this means overtime there are patchs/updates to download to make almost every single xbox game backwards compatable. I still think my Xbox will get some love if I am unable to succesfully transfer saves, particullarly Ninja Gaidens, because I don't want to start all my old games all over again.

I think thats good news the XBox is getting a port of Castlevania, hopefully it sells decently enough for Konami to continue to support the box in terms of that and Silent Hill. Maybe we'll get lucky and get the Suikoden series, since the XBox is still in dire need of RPGS outside of what Bioware has to offer.

The two questions I still have are: The price, and the release date? I think we can all take a good guess that it will be released in November, but what about the price? If it hits $300 that will garner alot of interest.

Also, about the $60 games? Who didn't see it coming? Activision and EA made it clear they were working towards higher priced games. If you also noticed some people are paying $50 for certain PSP games, and they are selling decently. Those are HANDHELD games, and it can be easily assumed they will charge an extra $10 for console games without much problems, atleast for launch titles/hot products like Halo 3 and what not. No, no one wants to see the $60 pricepoint (this is CAG after all) but It's going to be hard to refuse at launch when your left with little choice if you bought a 360.

[dafoomie]

Well atleast the 360 is somewhat backwards, thats better then nothing at all, but everyone was expecting it to be totally backwards or not backwards at all. But what I *REALLY* wanted was ALL previously XBox LIVE titles to work.

Hopefully this means overtime there are patchs/updates to download to make almost every single xbox game backwards compatable. I still think my Xbox will get some love if I am unable to succesfully transfer saves, particullarly Ninja Gaidens, because I don't want to start all my old games all over again.

I think thats good news the XBox is getting a port of Castlevania, hopefully it sells decently enough for Konami to continue to support the box in terms of that and Silent Hill. Maybe we'll get lucky and get the Suikoden series, since the XBox is still in dire need of RPGS outside of what Bioware has to offer.

The two questions I still have are: The price, and the release date? I think we can all take a good guess that it will be released in November, but what about the price? If it hits $300 that will garner alot of interest.

Also, about the $60 games? Who didn't see it coming? Activision and EA made it clear they were working towards higher priced games. If you also noticed some people are paying $50 for certain PSP games, and they are selling decently. Those are HANDHELD games, and it can be easily assumed they will charge an extra $10 for console games without much problems, atleast for launch titles/hot products like Halo 3 and what not. No, no one wants to see the $60 pricepoint (this is CAG after all) but It's going to be hard to refuse at launch when your left with little choice if you bought a 360.
The 360 is actually getting RPG's this time around... Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, FFXI, another Square game... Theres more Japanese RPG's announed for 360 than there are today for Xbox. Could always use more, and there aren't exactly tons of them, but its better than its been before.

[SEGA128DC]

That's SHADOW, not Sonic.. I think that game will tank.. get guns outta my Sonic/Shadow games!

Hmm, get 80's rock music out of my Sonic/Shadow games!... ;)

[gsr]

top spin 2 screens look awful...lots of jaggies, like the ps2

[Apossum]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614570p1.html

Good article about DoA 4-- says the fighting system has been completely overhauled and that game is scheduled as a launch game. Another interview with Itagaki will be posted at some point today

[KaneRobot]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614570p1.html

Good article about DoA 4-- says the fighting system has been completely overhauled

While I find it VERY hard to believe that is the case - especially after seeing the video - if it turns out to be true I'll end up taking back some of the stuff I've said lately. I have no problem eating my words if it results in a better game.

[tauruskatt]

I love the fact that the 360's compatible with everything and not afraid to flaunt it...even if it means flaunting the fact that it's compatible with the ipod and *psp*, lol....how amusing. not sure if it's a sideways show of respect or a slap in the face, or, perhaps, both. simutaneously. :lol:

[alongx]

The 360 is actually getting RPG's this time around... Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, FFXI, another Square game...

What other Square Enix game? Last I checked, they only are developing FFXI. As much as I'd like to see Square give equal development time to all three next gen consoles, I have a feeling that the Xbox 360 will get about as many Square Enix games as the Gamecube did after Square started GC development...

[Scorch]

I'm praying for a Kingdom Hearts port.

[Apossum]

While I find it VERY hard to believe that is the case - especially after seeing the video - if it turns out to be true I'll end up taking back some of the stuff I've said lately. I have no problem eating my words if it results in a better game.

This might be what you are looking for--

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616617p1.html

Itagaki talks DoA 4-- the game is 15% complete(I'm guessing they misunderstood him and he said 50%), the fighting system has been fleshed out to include a strong focus on defense and the complexity people have asked for has been added, the Virtual Arcade returns and it's still slated for the 360 release(this is why I think it's 50% rather than 15% done...they don't make games in 6 months)

Can't wait to try it out and find out what "added complexity" means.

[dafoomie]

What other Square Enix game? Last I checked, they only are developing FFXI. As much as I'd like to see Square give equal development time to all three next gen consoles, I have a feeling that the Xbox 360 will get about as many Square Enix games as the Gamecube did after Square started GC development...
There is at least 1 other unannounced title for 360 from Square.

[Monsta Mack]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617014p1.html

MS is going to announce their Japanese details for price, launch date and starting line of games in Japan for July. Now wheres my US info damnit?

[spoo]

There is at least 1 other unannounced title for 360 from Square.

Could this be World of Mana?

[epobirs]

Interesting tech analysis article on the Xbox 360 and PS3 video hardware.
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2423

[epobirs]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617014p1.html

MS is going to announce their Japanese details for price, launch date and starting line of games in Japan for July. Now wheres my US info damnit?

The details for the US will have to be no later than that time frame but more likely in June. Retailers start making their major Xmas season commitments in that month.

One of the reasons the Winter CES in January was always bigger was because that show had a lot more wild prototypes and weird stuff. The other CES in late Spring or early Summer was much more about demonstrating real working and deliverable product so orders could be placed.

[jovherye]

Interesting tech analysis article on the Xbox 360 and PS3 video hardware.
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2423



Interesting post!

[alongx]

Could this be World of Mana?

Probably not. Square said they were brining a Mana game to the DS, I'd be World of Mana was that game.

[Deadpool]

bah

[MorPhiend]

Read here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=994062

[Apossum]

Read here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=994062

Read there if you want to see an interesting spin on MS showing some interest in making good games...i.e. "They are stealing Nintendo's line of thinking" :lol:

[MorPhiend]

Read there if you want to see an interesting spin on MS showing some interest in making good games...i.e. "They are stealing Nintendo's line of thinking" :lol:

Exactly. They are showing interest in finally making quality games after 3.5 years...:roll:

Seriously. You posted in that thread. That's fine. Anyone who wanted to read it would have seen your opinion. Must you try and namecall on me somewhere before people even have a chance to read the story for themselves?

[dafoomie]

Exactly. They are showing interest in finally making quality games after 3.5 years...:roll:

Seriously. You posted in that thread. That's fine. Anyone who wanted to read it would have seen your opinion. Must you try and namecall on me somewhere before people even have a chance to read the story for themselves?
They've been making quality games... I'm not sure how you could say they haven't been.

I don't see the interview as being entirely that way, it was really just the end that touched on that. They're just leveraging their strengths, Xbox 1's strength is the graphics, so they'd talk that up. Now, the graphics are going to be about equal, so they're going to talk about their superior online service, their media center functionality, their exclusives, and being the best console for multiplatform games (or at least trying to be). If they think that PS3 is going to be better graphically, they're going to seriously talk down graphics.

The level of graphics in this and future generations getting to a point where they all look really good, and there not being much of a difference, is something thats been discussed for a long time on this board. He's just admitting that and saying that the game itself is what needs to be focused on.