GCN/Revolution E3 Game Announcement Thread

[basketkase543]

This conference rules. I saw a dj play a game I knew about. Now i get to see a chick play a game I knew about. Surpises aplenty!

[zewone]

Nintendo is so for little girls. :lol:

[evilmax17]

The boss.streamos.com link is working amazing for me.

Same.

And you guys are ridiculously negative.

[Grave_Addiction]

What? The GameCube has the same 50% price advantage today as when it started. The difference could be even greater against the new Sony and Microsoft hardware but that is still completely unknown.

The price advantage of the GameCube failed to be sufficent advantage because screwed up elsewhere. If they had gotten their act together on third party support the price difference would be a bigger factor but as an also-ran to so much of the market it only seemed appropriate. I think they've largely given up on trying to win back third party support in a big way and this is why having lots of oddball controllers becomes more viable. When you aren't concerned with selling it to third parties but instead justify it solely on your own products it changes your perspective on what products to produce. I haven't heard anyone ask whether third parties would produce bongo games but that question often arises with EyeToy. The novelty of the bundled software ( all three to date) wears thin and they're soon looking for something else but all of the choices are pretty much the same thing.

The big difference seems to be that none of the EyeToy games seems adequate to justify the purchase all by themselves but Donkey Konga does. That is an important accomplishment. EyeToy isn't a loser but to hear people talk its promise is unfulfilled. I don't hear people making the same complaints about their bongos. Instead they go out and buy more bongos for multiplayer. This is one of Nintendo's strengths. Mario Party is by far the most successful party game franchise and Donkey Konga continues that theme. If that is to be the mainstay of what Nintendo pushes in the next generation high horsepower won't matter much but a low cost for the machine before you start adding extra controllers will be appreciated.

It remains to be seen if that is a winning strategy but is at least a real strategy and one that avoids direct confrontation with the other consoles, which is more than can be said for their present generation.

I don't look at percentages so much as I do dollar figures. When it launched it was $100 cheaper than the PS2 or Xbox. At the time, that was a big deal for people who don't have the cash to throw down $300. Today though, the system is only $50 cheaper than the Xbox or PS2, so the incentive to take the Cube over the Xbox or PS2 isn't as great because you get way more by spending the extra $50 on an Xbox or PS2.

Also, I don't think it would necessarily be a wise decision to try to sell too many extra controllers. Once or twice is cool, but having to spend extra money and buy another controller several times could wear thin pretty quickly with gamers.

Although, like you mentioned, if they could get third parties to start producing software for those extra controllers, Nintendo could be on to something.

But I just think it might be too much to buy an extra controller or four extra controllers just to play one Nintendo game.

[epobirs]

And now, G4 ninny Tina Wood!

[TheUnsane1]

nintendogs...

Who is this girl?
Tina Wood one of the hosts of g4tv.com show

[MorPhiend]

Crap, power outage! Now it is trying to reconnect.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[phatbunbao]

wow amazing, blows all other competition out of the water

[zewone]

:lol: "New Zelda" didn't work. Best part of the show.

[phatbunbao]

can she just leave already

[basketkase543]

Same.

And you guys are ridiculously negative.

I'm just having fun. Its seriously histerical how much time Nintendo is spending on games that we know about before getting what we want to hear.

[zewone]

Miyamoto!!!!

[phatbunbao]

wow you can cut the sexual tension w/ a knife

[ArthurDigbySellers]

The Shigster!

[basketkase543]

Miyamoto-san!

[evilmax17]

Is that the new blue DS?

[CaseyRyback]

that new game boy is the shit

[ArthurDigbySellers]

GB Micro!

[phatbunbao]

the hell is that!!!!

[MorPhiend]

I've lost sound. Crapping great. I guess I will have to find a download when it is over......

[zewone]

Gameboy Micro!!!!

[evilmax17]

what is that!?!?!?!?

[Quillion]

Holy shit!

GameBoy Micro!

[basketkase543]

Gameboy Micro announced.

[TheUnsane1]

Is that the new blue DS?
I was thinking that too but I''m not positive it isn't the lighting.

[phatbunbao]

no sound either

[evilmax17]

That Fucker Is Backlit!

[MorPhiend]

Wow, no one saw that coming...:hot:

[Scorch]

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/1615/micro0bs.jpg

[zewone]

Does it play GBA games? No X and Y buttons.

[basketkase543]

To those on 56k, GB Micro is another GBA player about the size of an ipod mini

[Grave_Addiction]

What is this Gameboy Micro? Is it an all-new system or just a revamped SP?

[epobirs]

I don't look at percentages so much as I do dollar figures. When it launched it was $100 cheaper than the PS2 or Xbox. At the time, that was a big deal for people who don't have the cash to throw down $300. Today though, the system is only $50 cheaper than the Xbox or PS2, so the incentive to take the Cube over the Xbox or PS2 isn't as great because you get way more by spending the extra $50 on an Xbox or PS2.

Also, I don't think it would necessarily be a wise decision to try to sell too many extra controllers. Once or twice is cool, but having to spend extra money and buy another controller several times could wear thin pretty quickly with gamers.

Although, like you mentioned, if they could get third parties to start producing software for those extra controllers, Nintendo could be on to something.

But I just think it might be too much to buy an extra controller or four extra controllers just to play one Nintendo game.


The percentages matter. Put yourself in the mindset of someone who nevers buys at or near launch. Only a small fraction of the eventual installed based is moved in the first year due to price and manufacturing capacity. If you're a person who doesn't even consider a new console until the price is $150 or lower, $50 bucks is serious chunk of change.

It's also been a saving grace of the GameCube. More than either other machine this generation, it is most likely to be a secondary system on the basis of its exclusive titles. The lower price point aided that and kept the situation from being even worse.

[Grave_Addiction]

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/1615/micro0bs.jpg

Whoa, that's hot!

[telemundus]

Hahaha, "Phoenix Wright," I was dying for an attorney game to come out on portable.

[gsr]

who cares about a shaq-fu'ing GBA? I want some revolution info

[scargums]

mine was running awsome until nintendogs now its running like total ass

[TheUnsane1]

damn i want my sound feed back.

[epobirs]

What is this Gameboy Micro? Is it an all-new system or just a revamped SP?

Tiny GBA, just as I predicted. Fill in the price point gap and max out the GBA base before a new GB next year.

[MorPhiend]

Looks like I'll finally buy myself a DS for my birthday this month.

[scdoanintendo]

Mario and Luig DS and New 2d scroller look awesome.

[zewone]

New Super Mario DS game and Mario and Luigi 2. Nice.

[basketkase543]

Does it play GBA games? No X and Y buttons.

GBA never had x and y buttons.

[epobirs]

Terabyte SD card.

[Apossum]

mine was running awsome until nintendogs now its running like total ass

same here

[zewone]

Revolution looks like a book. About the size of 3 DVD cases for the final product. Pretty small.

[basketkase543]

Revolution possible colors:

pink, silver, white,

[zewone]

GBA never had x and y buttons.
You are correct. I was thinking on the DS.

[TheUnsane1]

does any feed have sound atm?

[basketkase543]

512 mb of flash ram

[zewone]

Add on for DVD playing. Weak.

[munch]

Terabyte SD card.

for the Revolution? and how big is that?

[phatbunbao]

whats going on

[CaseyRyback]

does any feed have sound atm?

that second link basket had a while ago when he quoted does

[Javery]

That thing looks seriously small. If they can hit a $50 price point with it and it's back/front lit I'm sold on yet another GBA. Damn you Nintendo!!

[Quillion]

Here it comes.

The revolution!

[epobirs]

for the Revolution? and how big is that?

No, it IS a terabyte SD card.

[CaseyRyback]

Smash Bros online = sold

[zewone]

Wireless controlllers for Rev. Also very unique feature to be released later.

[scdoanintendo]

On-line Super Smash Bros. on Revolution.

[scargums]

fuck my feed isnt working at all, please quote whats going on!!

[basketkase543]

For 56Kers:

They are talking about the Revolution now:

Wireless controllers
"unique" conrollers (they will say why later - lame-o's)

[phatbunbao]

the hell is that guy yappin about

[Quillion]

Wireless controllers confirmed.

[evilmax17]

On-line Super Smash Bros. on Revolution.

*speachless*

[zewone]

Smash Bros. Online at launch.

[Quillion]

Smashbrothers at launch!

[basketkase543]

Miyamoto to release game at launch of Revolution.

What game? ...also not told. Woo-hoo..

[MorPhiend]

does any feed have sound atm?

Not here.

[Grave_Addiction]

The percentages matter. Put yourself in the mindset of someone who nevers buys at or near launch. Only a small fraction of the eventual installed based is moved in the first year due to price and manufacturing capacity. If you're a person who doesn't even consider a new console until the price is $150 or lower, $50 bucks is serious chunk of change.

It's also been a saving grace of the GameCube. More than either other machine this generation, it is most likely to be a secondary system on the basis of its exclusive titles. The lower price point aided that and kept the situation from being even worse.

That's true, and it's kinda hard to argue with that. But Nintendo's price difference will have to be a lot if the Revo is as underpowered compared to the 360 and PS3 as we've been led to believe.

Tiny GBA, just as I predicted. Fill in the price point gap and max out the GBA base before a new GB next year.

What can we say, you're our video game Moses. Being that small, I'm hoping it will be no more than $70. It looks extremely cool just for portability purposes, but I dunno if I'd throw down anymore than $70 on one.

[DarkSol]

nintendo.com has right on top "Nintendo Now" Guess that's the online service???

[epobirs]

I must be one of the only GameCube owners to not own Smash Bros. Zero interest.

[Quillion]

Fucking awesome.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

FF:CC online for Revo!

[JSweeney]

Nintendo.com just crashed :)

[zewone]

FF:CC online for Revo!
Weak sauce. The game wasn't that fun.

[MorPhiend]

Nintendo.com just crashed :)

Yeah, it's been that way for me.

I used second link and have sound back!

[basketkase543]

For those missing this:

all we are getting is extremely vague talk about the revolution. Lower development costs, more developer interest, etc.

[alongx]

Fuck this shitty stream. I'm going to watch Team America, I'll watch it when Gamespot puts it up for free later.

[Quillion]

I've lost video and just have audio now.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Downloads of all previous Nintendo games?!

[jkam]

I must be one of the only GameCube owners to not own Smash Bros. Zero interest.

Nope I have zero interest as well.

[epobirs]

Somehow I'm reminded of Kevin Bacon at the climax of 'Animal House.'

"All is well, all is well!"

[MorPhiend]

I'm all about this back catalog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:applause: :D :applause: :D :applause:

[zewone]

Can play NES, SNES, N64, and GC games on Revolution!!

[phatbunbao]

did he just confirm downloadable games from previous systems?

[basketkase543]

I don't understand the benefit of being able to play older games on the Revolution?

"we get to feel young again"

How is this different from compilation packs offered by every other company?

[epobirs]

We're going to have tons of third party support. In the form of third party games from ten years ago.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

did he just confirm downloadable games from previous systems?

Yes, from all previous Nintendo consoles.

[evilmax17]

Did they say how they would be stored?

[telemundus]

I would have been a lot more excited about the backward compatibility if I didn't just get a modded xbox a couple months ago.

[Yo Mama]

So maybe you can't use Gamecube discs on the Revolution. Will people have to purchase these games again to play them?

[Quillion]

"All Access Gaming"

[phatbunbao]

this is lame, all they're doin is recycling things that have gone well for them in the past

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Did they say how they would be stored?

Well there is a 512 MB internal flash memory so maybe there.

[MorPhiend]

hehehe



No.

[road3283]

Can play NES, SNES, N64, and GC games on Revolution!!

:drool:

btw, you guys are better than bloggers! Keep up the good work!

[ArthurDigbySellers]

So maybe you can't use Gamecube discs on the Revolution. Will people have to purchase these games again to play them?

They already announced it will play GC games as well.

[epobirs]

So maybe you can't use Gamecube discs on the Revolution. Will people have to purchase these games again to play them?

That would be suicidal. The logo shows two different sizes of discs, suggesting to me the Gamecube format will be handled as well as new DVD software.

[Scorch]

Seriously..

If you can download Goldeneye and Perfect Dark..

What's to stop them from adding online play?

Online play for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark?

:hot::hot::hot:

EDIT: Revolution accepts Gamecube discs, he announced that.

[PsyClerk]

We're going to have tons of third party support. In the form of third party games from ten years ago.

:lol:

I'm surprised the big N would do this. I figured they would just release all the old games at $30 a pop, you know...like they do now. Or have they not gotten to that part yet?

[Apossum]

So it's the Mother of All Nintendo Emulators? Is that the Revolutionary part?

[basketkase543]

We're going to have tons of third party support. In the form of third party games from ten years ago.

:rofl:

[Quillion]

they're showing gameplay on this shitty stream. I can't even watch.

[basketkase543]

Now that Harrison guy is showing the Pokemon Gamecube RPG

"Because pokemon is serious business"

[scdoanintendo]

Is that it for the Revolution? Man I hope they have a spaceworld this year.

[Grave_Addiction]

So maybe you can't use Gamecube discs on the Revolution. Will people have to purchase these games again to play them?

So basically, we're going to have to download the ROMs for each game and play it through the Revo? Man, I hope they don't cost very much. Also, I wonder how they plan to prevent us from installing our own ROMs.

[Javery]

I must be one of the only GameCube owners to not own Smash Bros. Zero interest.

Nope. I don't see the appeal either.

[Quillion]

GCN Pokemon RPG?

I didn't know anything about this.

[phatbunbao]

frontloading disk for revolution games, mini-disktray for gamecube correct?

[CaseyRyback]

Seriously..

If you can download Goldeneye and Perfect Dark..

What's to stop them from adding online play?

Online play for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark?

:hot::hot::hot:

EDIT: Revolution accepts Gamecube discs, he announced that.

Rare owns the PD liscense and EA owns the goldeneye liscense

[evilmax17]

Mario Soccer looks surprisingly good.

[Quillion]

Killer 7 stuff....

Show something new.

[MorPhiend]

Seriously..

If you can download Goldeneye and Perfect Dark..

What's to stop them from adding online play?

Online play for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark?

:hot::hot::hot:

EDIT: Revolution accepts Gamecube discs, he announced that.


I didn't think of that!!!:drool: :drool: :drool: GE, PD......

[ArthurDigbySellers]

MP7 with support up to 8 players.

DDR Mario Mix.

[dcfox]

Mario overkill anybody?

[evilmax17]

DDR Mario Mix!

[SteveMcQ]

Haha...that Mario DDR pose is great.

[basketkase543]

Mario!
4 new games
1. Mario Baseball
2. Mario Strikers (soccer game for 4 players)
3. Mario Party 7 (80 new minigames, 8 players simultaneous, new microphone minigames)
4. Dance Dance revolution mario mix

[jkam]

dance with mario

Make another mario game no really keep making them

[basketkase543]

I was hoping that one of those 4 mario games would be Mario 128.

[Quillion]

the Mario Soccer is new, looks fun.

[phatbunbao]

DDR: Mario Mix, LMAO

[Ikohn4ever]

how long is this supposed to last?

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Here comes Link.

[Quillion]

Link!

[basketkase543]

"best for last..."

[ArthurDigbySellers]

What the hell?!

[Quillion]

And right as it starts, my video comes back!

[basketkase543]

The music is great

LiNK turns into a werewolf! Confirmed

[Grave_Addiction]

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/LATU048.jpg

[ArthurDigbySellers]

The music is great

LiNK turns into a werewolf! Confirmed

OK, I was wondering if that's what I saw!

[SteveMcQ]

Oh my fucking Zelda!!!!

[scdoanintendo]

Link turns into a wolf for the new Zelda.

[basketkase543]

Good video.

[Quillion]

Awesome.

[Apossum]

Wow, Zelda looks fucking awesome

[evilmax17]

What was that DS game?

[Quillion]

What the hell was that cartridge?

[basketkase543]

Reggie looks a lot like Morpheus.

Conference OVER

Very dissapointing overall.

[scdoanintendo]

Damn it that's it, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed.

[Scorch]

What was that DS game?

A DS cart with the video of Zelda on it

[telemundus]

It was just the Zelda video on a DS card.

[Quillion]

Anyone catch that? Zelda for the DS?

[ArthurDigbySellers]

What the hell was that cartridge?

It was the new Zelda preview movie on a DS cart for the people at the show.

[Apossum]

w00T! more ebay fodder. The cart was the Zelda vid they just showed.

[scdoanintendo]

That was a DS cartridge with the Zelda trailer on it.

[modium]

What the hell was that cartridge?
9:41 am: Reggie is back on stage. Welcomes producer and director Eiji Aonuma. "Since you like the trailer, I have a present for you." Pulls Zelda video compressed on a DS cartridge out of a sleeve, goes "dadadadaaaa!" (Zelda chime.)

http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615089p1.html

[basketkase543]

No new info about the Revolution except for "more info later"

[phatbunbao]

revolution is definately inferior to the other systems sad to say they made the ability to play older games their selling point

[Tromack]

I was hoping for more revolution info. But from what I had seen rumored in EGM isn't it supposed to be more powerful than the Xbox 360? I thought it was using a similar chip architecture, but one step up.

[epobirs]

Seriously..

If you can download Goldeneye and Perfect Dark..

What's to stop them from adding online play?

Online play for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark?

:hot::hot::hot:

EDIT: Revolution accepts Gamecube discs, he announced that.

Unless they can modify them for handling latency the control could get pretty ugly. That issue has plagued previous approaches to virtualizing controls online for games not designed for it going back to the modem product who name I forget for the SNES and Genesis.

[Quillion]

Ah... I see. oh well.

[gsr]

based on what you guys are saying, nintendo is TOAST.

they are releasing the same old games again, but online..wtf? this is what we wanted on the GC..I wouldn't be surprised if smash bros. was just a port of the gc version with online play added. After all the revolution is only 2-3x more powerful, so who's to say you can tell the difference?

[Apossum]

No new info about the Revolution except for "more info later"


It emulates old nintendo games, has a weird controller, has online play and it's small.
I definitely expected more from the system, but I guess playing nintendo games online is a pretty big plus.

[MaxBiaggi2]

I'm vaguely curious about the ability to download old Nintendo systems' games to the Revolution hard drive, but I also have to wonder if Nintendo is going to charge $20 (or more) per game as they did with the GBA Classics line. I'm all for reliving the good old days, but if purchasing a ROM from Nintendo is going to be more expensive than buying the original cartridge game, I'll stick with my outdated systems.

[Javery]

revolution is definately inferior to the other systems sad to say they made the ability to play older games their selling point

:rofl: I'm assuming you've played all three systems about 2 years into their respective life cycles to make this determination... :rofl:

[epobirs]

I was hoping for more revolution info. But from what I had seen rumored in EGM isn't it supposed to be more powerful than the Xbox 360? I thought it was using a similar chip architecture, but one step up.

Physically impossible. Have you seen the cooling solution used by the Xbox 360? It's bigger than the prototype Revolution. You cannot avoid the physical requirements of that many transistors in terms of volume, heat, power draw, etc. The Revolution is going to be a direct upgrade of the GameCube chipset. Just going down to 90 nm manufacturing allows for a major speed boost at low power but I expect they'll do more than that in terms of RAM and graphics pipeline.

[PsyClerk]

Unless they can modify them for handling latency the control could get pretty ugly. That issue has plagued previous approaches to virtualizing controls online for games not designed for it going back to the modem product who name I forget for the SNES and Genesis.

That would be the Xband.

[Grave_Addiction]

I'm vaguely curious about the ability to download old Nintendo systems' games to the Revolution hard drive, but I also have to wonder if Nintendo is going to charge $20 (or more) per game as they did with the GBA Classics line. I'm all for reliving the good old days, but if purchasing a ROM from Nintendo is going to be more expensive that buying the original cartridge game, I'll stick with my outdated systems.

Also, what happens if your system breaks and you have to buy a new one. Will you have to buy all the old games you've already purchased again?

[ArthurDigbySellers]

OK, let's sum up what we learned:

DS is online "this year"
-Mario Kart
-Animal Crossing
-Tony Hawk

GB Micro announced "this fall"

Revolution announced
-will be smaller than prototype
-512 MB internal flash memory
-SD cards for expanded storage
-wireless controllers
-Backwards compatible with GC
-Wi-Fi enabled
-Online library of past Nintendo games
-Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC)

GC Games announced
-Mario Baseball
-Mario Strikers
-DDR Mario Mix
-LoZ
-MP7

What did I miss?

[basketkase543]

It emulates old nintendo games, has a weird controller, has online play and it's small.
I definitely expected more from the system, but I guess playing nintendo games online is a pretty big plus.

Aside from that. I mean info like actual system specs and concrete knowledge of why the controller is unique instead of just a tease.

[TheUnsane1]

What if the revolution allows you to play classic games online using some kind of spoofing to make the connected player look like controller 2? That would be pretty sick and would solve the blunder nintendo made in this generation.

[Quillion]

No new info about the Revolution except for "more info later"

Well, they realeased a bunch of stuff earlier today and yesterday. I wasn't really expecting even more info.

They clarified online plans, announced general specs, showed pics of the console, discussed development, announced that this is the actual Phantom, what more did you want?

[epobirs]

Also, what happens if your system breaks and you have to buy a new one. Will you have to buy all the old games you've already purchased again?

Hopefully they'd be keeping a record at the other end. I'd also expect your identity can be transported on a memory card like XBL. This would let you go to a friend's house and download games to his unit by inserting your card. The games will only work with your card present to complete the DRM equation, so they can be deleted if the space is needed for something else or left until your next visit.

Pretty much everything except the largest N64 games (RE2 at 64MB) should be a very quick download.

[evilmax17]

OK, let's sum up what we learned:

DS is online "this year"
-Mario Kart
-Animal Crossing
-Tony Hawk

GB Micro announced "this fall"

Revolution announced
-will be smaller than prototype
-512 MB internal flash memory
-SD cards for expanded storage
-wireless controllers
-Backwards compatible with GC
-Wi-Fi enabled
-Online library of past Nintendo games
-Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC)

GC Games announced
-Mario Baseball
-Mario Strikers
-DDR Mario Mix
-LoZ
-MP7

What did I miss?

OP updated, thanks for the list!

[Skylander7]

God mother #$%&ing damned it, maybe the controller is just an atari joystick with an N on the front. Hell, make it red and white even, and throw in a pair of 3d glasses from a box of old Frosted Flakes. I'm ready to know just what the hell this thing is, and if they're finally battling emulation by offering their entire past library online.

[scdoanintendo]

I'm thinking if the Revolution's controller is touch screen it could handle the control scheme for any game.

[JSweeney]

Aside from that. I mean info like actual system specs and concrete knowledge of why the controller is unique instead of just a tease.

They likely want to wait until the Xbox 360 is in production so that Microsoft can't beat Nintendo to market with a modified version of it's own tech.

[seanw]

what more did you want?

The Revolution controller, and Revolution gameplay video.

Although I have to admit I'm really charmed that they're making another 2D Mario side-scroller for the GBA (or DS).

[basketkase543]

Well, they realeased a bunch of stuff earlier today and yesterday. I wasn't really expecting even more info.

They clarified online plans, announced general specs, showed pics of the console, discussed development, announced that this is the actual Phantom, what more did you want?

System specs, developers onboard, sample footage, release date window, price window, controller features, what exactly makes this a "revolution" (it'd better not be the playing of older games).

[basketkase543]

The Revolution controller, and Revolution gameplay video.

Although I have to admit I'm really charmed that they're making another 2D Mario side-scroller for the GBA (or DS).

Yeah, that was cool footage. It went by so quickly I didn't have time to disect the game. Looks good though.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I'm thinking if the Revolution's controller is touch screen it could handle the control scheme for any game.

I'm pretty sure that has been debunked. From what I have read, it will include some kind of pressure sensitive feature on the handle itself. Again, that's a rumor as well.

[Grave_Addiction]

Well, they realeased a bunch of stuff earlier today and yesterday. I wasn't really expecting even more info.

They clarified online plans, announced general specs, showed pics of the console, discussed development, announced that this is the actual Phantom, what more did you want?

Uhhhh, maybe something like why the machine is named the Revolution?

[epobirs]

I'm thinking if the Revolution's controller is touch screen it could handle the control scheme for any game.

Great, you could play every game badly.

[PsyClerk]

Uhhhh, maybe something like why the machine is named the Revolution?

You must have missed the part where you can hook your Virtual Boy to the machine.

[evilmax17]

Looks like we'll have to wait until Spaceworld for the good stuff.

[Quillion]

based on what you guys are saying, nintendo is TOAST.

they are releasing the same old games again, but online..wtf? this is what we wanted on the GC..I wouldn't be surprised if smash bros. was just a port of the gc version with online play added. After all the revolution is only 2-3x more powerful, so who's to say you can tell the difference?

Maybe you can't.

Why is it important to tell the difference? I thought Smash Bros. GCN looked really really good.

You see these tech demos running on PS3 and Xbox and think they'll look better than NR when you haven't even seen demos from that. Besides, tech demos are meaningless. Until I see what developers actually can do with the hardware, all these numbers mean nothing.

It may be the most advanced hammer in the world, advanced looking, durable, space age shock-absorbing technology, but the only thing that matters is how well it hits the nails.

[epobirs]

Uhhhh, maybe something like why the machine is named the Revolution?

Because instead of real hardware all we're getting so far is spin?

[JSweeney]

Uhhhh, maybe something like why the machine is named the Revolution?

Yeah. Let's tell our competitors EXACTLY what we are doing while they still have enough time to retool thier own hardware to beat us to market with our own tech.

[epobirs]

Now, if someone can put together a Revolution emulator for the PC, PS3, or Xbox....

[Apossum]

Aside from that. I mean info like actual system specs and concrete knowledge of why the controller is unique instead of just a tease.


Nope, nothing like that.


They can get away with this. It's not the strongest effort. I mean, they basically took the pirates model of downloading ROMS and might use a tunneling service to give them online multiplayer, and turned it into a system. I'm still curious to see the Rev specs, but judging by the size of it, I don't think it'll be as powerful as the 360 or PS3, which makes me wonder about multi-system games and 3rd party support.

But If the downloadable games are cheap, I'm talking no more than a couple bucks per game, I think this thing will sell like hotcakes.

I really wonder what is under the hood of the Rev

[phatbunbao]

OK, let's sum up what we learned:

DS is online "this year"
-Mario Kart
-Animal Crossing
-Tony Hawk

GB Micro announced "this fall"

Revolution announced
-will be smaller than prototype
-512 MB internal flash memory
-SD cards for expanded storage
-wireless controllers
-Backwards compatible with GC
-Wi-Fi enabled
-Online library of past Nintendo games
-Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC)

GC Games announced
-Mario Baseball
-Mario Strikers
-DDR Mario Mix
-LoZ
-MP7

What did I miss?
Didn't they also metion a seperate attachment for dvd playback?

[goosedude]

wow....was that all Nintendo had to show.......Nice design though.

Problem is their "REVOLUTION" made me feel like i was playing the crappy Aerosmith gun game of the same name.

Something tells me that by the PS4 Generation there will not be Nintendo Hardware.

[PsyClerk]

Yeah. Let's tell our competitors EXACTLY what we are doing while they still have enough time to retool thier own hardware to beat us to market with our own tech.

I think it's a bit late in the game to retool hardware. Sony might be able to squeeze in changes, but not MS. If they want any games for launch, they can't make any big changes, at least not without taking a hit.

[epobirs]

Yeah. Let's tell our competitors EXACTLY what we are doing while they still have enough time to retool thier own hardware to beat us to market with our own tech.

Yeah, this way they might get a whole six month on the market before the features are duplicated and the jig is up.

Seriously, at this late point in Microsoft's and Sony's product plans, if they could copy cat Nintendo's features that readily then prepare to be disappointed.

[Apossum]

guys, they told us, the downloadable games are the revolutionary part....unless that controller has something really special up it's ass...

[JSweeney]

I think it's a bit late in the game to retool hardware. Sony might be able to squeeze in changes, but not MS. If they want any games for launch, they can't make any big changes, at least not without taking a hit.

I do believe that Logitech got thier wireless controllers to market rather quickly.
Unless it's a huge paradigm shift in how games are controlled, I'd be fairly certain that they could incorporate the tech into thier controllers... even if the launch titles don't support the extended features.

[basketkase543]

Yeah. Let's tell our competitors EXACTLY what we are doing while they still have enough time to retool thier own hardware to beat us to market with our own tech.

That is so true. The PSP, coming out after the DS, totally copied all of the DS's new features like touchscreen, dual screen, etc....

[epobirs]

It was hard to tell. Was the GBA Micro screen smaller than the SP screen? I don't think I could deal with that for long. I didn't bother with GB before GBA due to the screens. I did pick up a Super GamBoy for SNES to get around the problem so I could play the small handful of B&W games I really liked.

[phatbunbao]

wow....was that all Nintendo had to show.......Nice design though.

Problem is their "REVOLUTION" made me feel like i was playing the crappy Aerosmith gun game of the same name.

Something tells me that by the PS4 Generation there will not be Nintendo Hardware.
I think they'll have hardware, like an attachment for the ps4 and xbox3 so it'll be able to download and play nintendo games

just came up with a name for it: The Nintendo - Leech

[jkam]

The revolution looks nice, the downloadable old games is a cool idea...I just hope they don't get crazy with prices and I hope they can be kept directly on a memory card or something. I do like the idea of being able to play all the old games and the current games on one system.

They still have a lot to prove though as the XBOX 360 and the PS3 are going to be tough to beat. Hopefully with the unanswered questions will come an actual revolution.

The gameboy micro looks sweet. I swore I would never buy a 3rd GBA but I'm a sucker for portability.

All in all though it was a disappointment....not hearing or seeing more of the revolution.

[JSweeney]

Yeah, this way they might get a whole six month on the market before the features are duplicated and the jig is up.

Seriously, at this late point in Microsoft's and Sony's product plans, if they could copy cat Nintendo's features that readily then prepare to be disappointed.

Actually, I'm expected to be disappointed to begin with..
I expect it's only a minor upgrade to thier controller, which is why they're so loath to let the cat out of the bag.

[goosedude]

Yeah, this way they might get a whole six month on the market before the features are duplicated and the jig is up.

Seriously, at this late point in Microsoft's and Sony's product plans, if they could copy cat Nintendo's features that readily then prepare to be disappointed.

I don't think thats the case....I think Nintendo is firmly entrenching themselves into the younger market.....the market that doesn't need HD to be impressed or an mp3 collection or digital media collection.

Well...what can I say....they like to keep their hardware cheap and reap profits on their software licenses of their popular characters.

I like the Gamecube bwc....but as for the rest of the Nintendo systems......thats what I have mame for....and the N64 library was sorely lacking.

This link made me think of Nintendo's announcements today:
http://www.crapmachine.com/

[JSweeney]

That is so true. The PSP, coming out after the DS, totally copied all of the DS's new features like touchscreen, dual screen, etc....

You're expecting too much. That's why you're so disappointed.
I expect a marginal upgrade to the controller at best, in which case, those sort of changes could be easy to implement to the hardware.

[cdeener]

Since Revolution is going to be compatible with Gamecube games I think I will get the Revolution when it first comes out but I will have to find somewhere to get rid of this Gamecube for more than $30 bucks trade in.

[Ledhed]

I do believe that Logitech got thier wireless controllers to market rather quickly.
Unless it's a huge paradigm shift in how games are controlled, I'd be fairly certain that they could incorporate the tech into thier controllers... even if the launch titles don't support the extended features.

The wireless controllers are just wireless versions of predictable and easy-to-implement controller design. The general idea at this point is that Nintendo is really trying something different here. How different would obviously determine how easily any other system could mimic it, but I have to side with everyone else who says that it simply can't be done this late in the cycle without taking a hit. This leaves Nintendo in a position where they don't really have to worry about being copy-catted, which is why they should have at least revealed something comtrol-related today. Hopefully we'll have something soon.

[MorPhiend]

I do believe that Logitech got thier wireless controllers to market rather quickly.
Unless it's a huge paradigm shift in how games are controlled, I'd be fairly certain that they could incorporate the tech into thier controllers... even if the launch titles don't support the extended features.

Exactly. All games don't need to be compliant. There just neds to be the ability to make new games so.


How long did it take for video of the M$ and Sony conferences to go up? I want to see this whole thing. I missed most of the cool stuff besides the Zelda video at the end.

[Chris in Cali]

How can anyone bash the Revolution? First of all, we know very little about it. Second, the things that we do know are all good: super small, 512 MB internal flash memory, wireless controllers, Backwards compatible with GC, Wi-Fi enabled, Online library of past Nintendo games, Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC).

From the N64 up until about six months ago I wasn't a very big Nintendo supporter. I pretty much thought everything they did was wrong (Zelda Wind Waker, GBA/GCN connectivity, the DS, N64). Now, I'm definitely seeing Nintendo stepping their game way up, and so far everything they've shown has completely blown away the XBox 360, PS3, and PSP IMO. I know some of you know how shitty I thought the DS was in it's first year, but now I see that there's going to be these great games coming out, and online play. I'm really excited for Christmas 2006 to get my hands on a Nintendo Revolution, it'll go nice next to my PS2, and Xbox.

[epobirs]

I do believe that Logitech got thier wireless controllers to market rather quickly.
Unless it's a huge paradigm shift in how games are controlled, I'd be fairly certain that they could incorporate the tech into thier controllers... even if the launch titles don't support the extended features.

Logitech had been doing wireless devices for PCs for years before they entered the console market. Using their existing expertise on a standard controller wasn't a wondrous feat. Like the Wavebird it was just a variation of exist hardware. It didn't change how the games were played, it only gave people freedom from the cables.

If Nintendo truly has something different and unprecedented it isn't going to be very convenient for the others to shift gears and do a similar product. Unless they're so far from delivery we won't see launch until the 2006 holiday season, in which case nintendo is going to have serious problems of other sorts.

[JSweeney]

The wireless controllers are just wireless versions of predictable and easy-to-implement controller design. The general idea at this point is that Nintendo is really trying something different here. How different would obviously determine how easily any other system could mimic it, but I have to side with everyone else who says that it simply can't be done this late in the cycle without taking a hit. This leaves Nintendo in a position where they don't really have to worry about being copy-catted, which is why they should have at least revealed something comtrol-related today. Hopefully we'll have something soon.

The thing is Ledhed, is that I really doubt that Nintendo is trying to do something really different here. I expect that it's a marginal upgrade that likely only meshes well with the games Nintendo itself has been working on. I really doubt that it will be that novel an upgrade, and that the tech probably could be easily incorporated into other systems hardware without that much optimization.

[goosedude]

Since Revolution is going to be compatible with Gamecube games I think I will get the Revolution when it first comes out but I will have to find somewhere to get rid of this Gamecube for more than $30 bucks trade in.

I hope Nintendo is not planning to put the REVOLUTION out in the same time frame as PS3....it will get trounced. Unless its like 99$.

I sense myself waiting till 6 months after launch unless there is a Next-Gen Mario at launch.

[Grave_Addiction]

You're expecting too much. That's why you're so disappointed.
I expect a marginal upgrade to the controller at best, in which case, those sort of changes could be easy to implement to the hardware.

So you think Nintendo would shoot themselve's in the foot and make themselves the laughing stock of the gaming industry by naming their console the Revolution and then only make "marginal upgrades" to their controller?

[JSweeney]

Logitech had been doing wireless devices for PCs for years before they entered the console market. Using their existing expertise on a standard controller wasn't a wondrous feat. Like the Wavebird it was just a variation of exist hardware. It didn't change how the games were played, it only gave people freedom from the cables.

If Nintendo truly has something different and unprecedented it isn't going to be very convenient for the others to shift gears and do a similar product. Unless they're so far from delivery we won't see launch until the 2006 holiday season, in which case nintendo is going to have serious problems of other sorts.

I agree with you on that... If it is a new and uprecedented way of controlling games, it won't be able to be replicated in such a short cycle. However, I really think that's a bunch of hype and spin, especially with Nintendo saying how much it wants to appeal to the non-gamer. Non-gamers don't appreciate complex, yet clever, controller implemenations.

[Strell]

The problem NOW is that we know so little information that it's going to hurt the press/media's view of Nintendo and the Revolution. We have two companies showing off thier new system, showing us movies and pictures of the graphics, and telling us repeatedly how powerful it is. And the press eats that shit up.

But then Nintendo comes out and shows us hardly anything new at all, except that we'll have access to NES and SNES games. (I mean new in terms of Revolution, obviously the Micro was new.) But that's not goddamn enough, ESPECIALLY if the graphics debate is taken into context. The 2-3x figure won't stand to the alleged performance the 360/PS3 have, but my god, at LEAST show us SOMETHING so that we can have an IDEA of what the graphics look like. My guess is that Nintendo's figures are conservative to the hype of Sony and MS, but that won't matter when newspapers and Time and other magazines are repeating those figures OVER and OVER and OVER.

This was Nintendo's chance to show us at least SOMETHING to tell us why the system will be so grandly innovative. But aside from being able to download older games, there's nothing that sets it apart. And granted, that is HUGE for them because it will be MASSIVE profitwise. But at least compensate for the fact that you'll make money off the oldschool and the hardcore by showing us SOMETHING ABOUT THE GODDAMN CONTROLLER.

I would have been happy if Reggie had just slapped me with his dick instead...

[JSweeney]

So you think Nintendo would shoot themselve's in the foot and make themselves the laughing stock of the gaming industry by naming their console the Revolution and then only make "marginal upgrades" to their controller?

Wouldn't be the first time Nintendo has upset the "core gamer".
Probably wouldn't be the last either.

[Snake2715]

How can anyone bash the Revolution? First of all, we know very little about it. Second, the things that we do know are all good: super small, 512 MB internal flash memory, wireless controllers, Backwards compatible with GC, Wi-Fi enabled, Online library of past Nintendo games, Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC).

From the N64 up until about six months ago I wasn't a very big Nintendo supporter. I pretty much thought everything they did was wrong (Zelda Wind Waker, GBA/GCN connectivity, the DS, N64). Now, I'm definitely seeing Nintendo stepping their game way up, and so far everything they've shown has completely blown away the XBox 360, PS3, and PSP IMO. I know some of you know how shitty I thought the DS was in it's first year, but now I see that there's going to be these great games coming out, and online play. I'm really excited for Christmas 2006 to get my hands on a Nintendo Revolution, it'll go nice next to my PS2, and Xbox.

this must be a joke Chris...


I think Nintendo has more up their sleeve. They always leave the best for last.

Let the E3 hype die down. Just like it does every year then start dropping clues or even (if the PS3 and revo get pushed to holiday of 06) bring the big guns out next year when its closer to launch.


I had thought Reggie promised Mario 128 for cube?

[epobirs]

How can anyone bash the Revolution? First of all, we know very little about it. Second, the things that we do know are all good: super small, 512 MB internal flash memory, wireless controllers, Backwards compatible with GC, Wi-Fi enabled, Online library of past Nintendo games, Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC).

From the N64 up until about six months ago I wasn't a very big Nintendo supporter. I pretty much thought everything they did was wrong (Zelda Wind Waker, GBA/GCN connectivity, the DS, N64). Now, I'm definitely seeing Nintendo stepping their game way up, and so far everything they've shown has completely blown away the XBox 360, PS3, and PSP IMO. I know some of you know how shitty I thought the DS was in it's first year, but now I see that there's going to be these great games coming out, and online play. I'm really excited for Christmas 2006 to get my hands on a Nintendo Revolution, it'll go nice next to my PS2, and Xbox.

Because so far they've given us very little to get excited about. They've already admitted they're going to be far behind in performance, which cuts out a big chunk of the market. The virtual library is nice but not a major feature. I can go out right now and pick up a used NES for $10 and plenty of popular games for $5 each. Likewise for SNES and N64. Except I already have all of that stuff from when it was new but I'm considering those who don't have any history with those systems.

So far there just isn't much positive beyond vague promises and plenty negative. The people drooling over the trailers from the other two events are going to be hard put to find anything comparable from the Revolution when the kimono is finally opened. Without defining why this system doesn't have to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft they've left little to instill confidence of good things to come.

[MorPhiend]

Realistically, they have all the time in the world. Sure, some people are upset now, but will that matter when they blow the lid off of Revolution at SpaceWorld a month before 360 launches? They will eventually show their full hand, and it will be long before next e3. Don't worry so much.

[flizmo007]

How can anyone bash the Revolution? First of all, we know very little about it. Second, the things that we do know are all good: super small, 512 MB internal flash memory, wireless controllers, Backwards compatible with GC, Wi-Fi enabled, Online library of past Nintendo games, Online titles at launch (Smash Bros, FF:CC).


Good point. I think we just set our expectations a little too high, at least I did. After seeing M$ and Sony's stuff I thought Nintendo would have came out with guns blazing... or at least I had hoped they would have...

[Grave_Addiction]

I agree with you on that... If it is a new and uprecedented way of controlling games, it won't be able to be replicated in such a short cycle. However, I really think that's a bunch of hype and spin, especially with Nintendo saying how much it wants to appeal to the non-gamer. Non-gamers don't appreciate complex, yet clever, controller implemenations.

Who said anything about it being complex? It could be much more simpler than what we're used to today.

[Chris in Cali]

I'm sorry, but the screens I've seen of the PS3, and Xbox 360 games do not look impressive to me at all. I'm so unimpressed with them that I don't care that we didn't see any Revolution screens, it's like Nintendo didn't even need to show it because the PS3/Xbox360 screens look like this gen to me. I saw one screen that looked slightly better than this gen, and it was a Killzone 2 screen for the PS3, and even that only looked like a PC game, not some mega "cell processer" or some bullshit like that. Why should I be paying $300-$400 for PS3/Xbox360, IMO they haven't shown anything substancial either. Not to mention the Xbox only has limited backwards compatiblity, fuck that shit.

[MorPhiend]

Good point. I think we just set our expectations a little too high, at least I did. After seeing M$ and Sony's stuff I thought Nintendo would have came out with guns blazing... or at least I had hoped they would have...

They still can. They might still have something up their sleeve this week. Otherwise, they have SpaceWorld. And if they are planning a SW (when have they not for the debut of a console), why would they make it anticlimacitic by showing everything today?

[captaincold]

If anyone remembers the N64, they revealed the rumble pack & analog controls WAY to early and both Sony & Sega were able to get competing products to market in no time.

Great move on Nintendo's part and it shows they've made corrections to that mistake as well as these :

Sleak system design <<Not kiddie in my opinion

Regular Dvd's

I'm assuming a hard-drive since they're gonna have downloadable content
Free high speed internet service <<that's good for EVERYONE wether you own there consoles or not

Small System Design << There's a reason damn near every system get's a smaller version made down the line

[Snake2715]

The funny thing is why show more? Stop being worried.

Look this thread came out later than the other threads. Its the most recent press conference and yes its almost double the size of the PS3 thread already.

Secondly what if Nintendo hyped it up and deliver little? I mean honestly thats what Sony did last time around. I dont recall and SCUD missles being launched with the thing.

Again I think they are waiting to show their true offerings. Or maybe they are going to do like they did with the DS. The system may drop in spring of 06 (next to the PS3) but not offer full potential until holiday of 06. Next E3 could show the remaining potential and it could steal holiday 06 (if both the revolution and PS3 launch earlier in the 06 year)

[MorPhiend]

I'm sorry, but the screens I've seen of the PS3, and Xbox 360 games do not look impressive to me at all. I'm so unimpressed with them that I don't care that we didn't see any Revolution screens, it's like Nintendo didn't even need to show it because the PS3/Xbox360 screens look like this gen to me. I saw one screen that looked slightly better than this gen, and it was a Killzone 2 screen for the PS3, and even that only looked like a PC game, not some mega "cell processer" or some bullshit like that. Why should I be paying $300-$400 for PS3/Xbox360, IMO they haven't shown anything substancial either. Not to mention the Xbox only has limited backwards compatiblity, fuck that shit.

Killzone is the only thing that had me looking closely as well. This was exactly what Nintendo has been talking about. Power and graphics can only take you so far. We have really hit a cap on that until some mindblowing new technology comes out eventually. Remember the supposed leaked specs for PS3 that said it would run on 4+GHz processors? Seems epobirs was right. That was not feasible. If we are near a cap, why can't the Revolution compete visually without spending unecessary money on just having the nicest spec sheet. Besides, we still know nothing about it's power and Nintendo is notorious for downplaying their power, while especially Sony is notorious for blowing things out of proportion (even with supposed "real" demos. Nothing they showed at the PS2 announcement was reality - why would this be any different?).

[JSweeney]

For all the complaining, I'm certain I'll be buying a Revolution (and a PS3... and maybe an Xbox360).

[Strell]

....SHOW US ONE SCREEN, Nintendo!

ONE DAMN SCREEN IS ALL I NEED AND THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED EVERYTHING

[MorPhiend]

Video is up!


http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html


And I will definitely have a Revolution. PS3 and 360 are still possibilities, but I need convincing still.

[Jarrett]

I will be getting a Revo for sure. It is clearly the best design out of them all. And I actually really like the idea about being able to play past games.

[JSweeney]

I'm actually more curious about how Nintendo plans to handle thier online game library...
to me, that's a more compelling feature that the majority of what Microsoft has been trying to hype about the 360's Xbox Live.

[Strell]

I wonder if Nintendo employees come to this site and thought "gee we need a way to get people to buy games for 5 bucks" and the download idea spawned from that.

CAG IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ALL ACCESS GAMING.

VIVA LA CAG

[CaseyRyback]

Why are people ragging so hard on Nintendo for using its back catalog to further itself?

Microsoft is doing the same thing, or did we all forget that Allard spent 10 minutes talking about how cool Xbox Live Arcade was going to be (pretty much ignoring its been out for a year and no one uses it because all the games can be bought on the Namco arcade disc for 20 bucks)

[goosedude]

I'm sorry, but the screens I've seen of the PS3, and Xbox 360 games do not look impressive to me at all. I'm so unimpressed with them that I don't care that we didn't see any Revolution screens, it's like Nintendo didn't even need to show it because the PS3/Xbox360 screens look like this gen to me. I saw one screen that looked slightly better than this gen, and it was a Killzone 2 screen for the PS3, and even that only looked like a PC game, not some mega "cell processer" or some bullshit like that. Why should I be paying $300-$400 for PS3/Xbox360, IMO they haven't shown anything substancial either. Not to mention the Xbox only has limited backwards compatiblity, fuck that shit.

You have to be kidding....did you see the feeds of all the technical demos and game feeds at the SONY PS3 Conference.......(i.e. UNREAL 3 Demo, Skin transparency Demo, DUCK/EYETOY DEMO)

Suffice to say.....MOTOR STORM for PS3 and GEARS OF WAR for XBOX 360 made my jaw drop.

Revolution at supposedly only 2-3x the Gamecube performance........will not have graphics to match those 1st wave next-gen games.

Now don't get me wrong...I'll still get a Revolution. But with its lack of info it has firmly placed itself at the back of the pack.....again.

[dcfox]

I'm also on board for the Revolution. The complete backwards compatibility with every Nintendo console is the clincher. Everything else might as well be icing on the cake. What I'm wondering though is if Nintendo will allow US users to download games that were only previously available in Japan.

[phatbunbao]

You have to be kidding....did you see the feeds of all the technical demos and game feeds at the SONY PS3 Conference.......(i.e. UNREAL 3 Demo, Skin transparency Demo, DUCK/EYETOY DEMO)

Suffice to say.....MOTOR STORM for PS3 and GEARS OF WAR for XBOX 360 made my jaw drop.

Revolution at supposedly only 2-3x the Gamecube performance........will not have graphics to match those 1st wave next-gen games.

Totally agree, if anything the revolution is the one with this gen graphics. The ps3 clip with luna and those "loveable creatures" was amazing., especially the way the light went through the hands and you can clearly define the bone strutures within them.

[jkam]

Because so far they've given us very little to get excited about. They've already admitted they're going to be far behind in performance, which cuts out a big chunk of the market. The virtual library is nice but not a major feature. I can go out right now and pick up a used NES for $10 and plenty of popular games for $5 each. Likewise for SNES and N64. Except I already have all of that stuff from when it was new but I'm considering those who don't have any history with those systems.

So far there just isn't much positive beyond vague promises and plenty negative. The people drooling over the trailers from the other two events are going to be hard put to find anything comparable from the Revolution when the kimono is finally opened. Without defining why this system doesn't have to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft they've left little to instill confidence of good things to come.

While I do agree that Nintendo better have something pretty great up their sleeves I wouldn't say a virtual library is not a major feature. We are talking about a history of games that dates back to the original NES. I have to think that the PS2 was a much easier nut to swallow for some since people it had backwards compatibility and a much easier sell to kid's parents when they asked for the new system.

It is obvious that both Microsoft and Sony are adding it to their consoles for a reason. It makes gamers happy. As for picking up old systems and carts for $5-10 why should people have to bother? This way there is a lot less clutter and yet all those games would still be available to be played. Not too mention that some of the older Mario games or more popular games sell for much more than $5 (like Mario RPG). They would have to keep the game cost to a reasonable price though.

While I do believe the PS3 and XBOX 360 look amazing we already knew that Nintendo was heading in a different direction.

It isn't all bad though....online is a good step foward for Nintendo. Yes VERY LATE but better late than never. People do WANT to play smash bros. and mario kart online and now Nintendo will give them that.

I don't doubt that the PS3 and XBOX 360 will do extremely well based on screenshots alone but I think Nintendo will have a little something more up their sleeve than what we have heard. It just comes down to how "revolutionary" it truely is.

[MorPhiend]

You have to be kidding....did you see the feeds of all the technical demos and game feeds at the SONY PS3 Conference.......(i.e. UNREAL 3 Demo, Skin transparency Demo, DUCK/EYETOY DEMO)

Suffice to say.....MOTOR STORM for PS3 and GEARS OF WAR for XBOX 360 made my jaw drop.

Revolution at supposedly only 2-3x the Gamecube performance........will not have graphics to match those 1st wave next-gen games.

Now don't get me wrong...I'll still get a Revolution. But with its lack of info it has firmly placed itself at the back of the pack.....again.

Did you see the videos for the demos on the PS2? Yeah. That was all bullcrap.

So if their 2-3x ends up being not very distinguishable from what the others look like, who cares about power. But as already stated, Nintendo always plays themselves down. The others blow things out of proportion (especially Sony).

[CaseyRyback]

While I do agree that Nintendo better have something pretty great up their sleeves I wouldn't say a virtual library is not a major feature. We are talking about a history of games that dates back to the original NES. I have to think that the PS2 was a much easier nut to swallow for some since people it had backwards compatibility and a much easier sell to kid's parents when they asked for the new system.

It is obvious that both Microsoft and Sony are adding it to their consoles for a reason. It makes gamers happy. As for picking up old systems and carts for $5-10 why should people have to bother? This way there is a lot less clutter and yet all those games would still be available to be played. Not too mention that some of the older Mario games or more popular games sell for much more than $5 (like Mario RPG). They would have to keep the game cost to a reasonable price though.

While I do believe the PS3 and XBOX 360 look amazing we already knew that Nintendo was heading in a different direction.

It isn't all bad though....online is a good step foward for Nintendo. Yes VERY LATE but better late than never. People do WANT to play smash bros. and mario kart online and now Nintendo will give them that.

I don't doubt that the PS3 and XBOX 360 will do extremely well based on screenshots alone but I think Nintendo will have a little something more up their sleeve than what we have heard. It just comes down to how "revolutionary" it truely is.

not only that, but eventually the batteries in these carts are going to start dying. This is a great way for Nintendo to keep in touch with its history, and capitalize on it economically

[goosedude]

Totally agree, if anything the revolution is the one with this gen graphics. The ps3 clip with luna and those "loveable creatures" was amazing., especially the way the light went through the hands and you can clearly define the bone strutures within them.

"Loveable Creatures" what was he thinking.....those things were freaky.

[JSweeney]

not only that, but eventually the batteries in these carts are going to start dying. This is a great way for Nintendo to keep in touch with its history, and capitalize on it economically

Plus, depending on the way the system is set up, it gives Nintendo a carrot to dangle in front of some of the long time development houses... show them how these old titles are turning profit again, and then say, "We'd be happy to cut you in and list your catalogue...if you make a couple of new games for us".

[goosedude]

As I review the announcements so far over the past 2 days, and then I look at my collection of games for this generation.....I see history repeating itself.

PS2 -100 games, XBOX - 100 Games, Gamecube 30.

[PawnTakesKing]

I don't see what everyone is b****ing about. If you don't want a Revolution, don't buy one. I for one am totally satisfied with Nintendo's announcements. Access to every Nintendo game ever made? I'm there.

[Grave_Addiction]

not only that, but eventually the batteries in these carts are going to start dying. This is a great way for Nintendo to keep in touch with its history, and capitalize on it economically

Nintendo was trying to push $20 NES games that were on a GBA cart this past year. Would we have any doubt that Nintendo would continue to try to milk these games for all they're worth?

I wouldn't be opposed to having a monthly charge for the All-Access, though. They could charge $5-$10 a month and you could download something like 10-20 games a month. But if you ever cancel your membership, you will still get to keep all the games you've downloaded.

I think that would be more attractive to us gamers rather than having to pay $5 for a Castlevania rom.

[epobirs]

While I do agree that Nintendo better have something pretty great up their sleeves I wouldn't say a virtual library is not a major feature. We are talking about a history of games that dates back to the original NES. I have to think that the PS2 was a much easier nut to swallow for some since people it had backwards compatibility and a much easier sell to kid's parents when they asked for the new system.

It is obvious that both Microsoft and Sony are adding it to their consoles for a reason. It makes gamers happy. As for picking up old systems and carts for $5-10 why should people have to bother? This way there is a lot less clutter and yet all those games would still be available to be played. Not too mention that some of the older Mario games or more popular games sell for much more than $5 (like Mario RPG). They would have to keep the game cost to a reasonable price though.

While I do believe the PS3 and XBOX 360 look amazing we already knew that Nintendo was heading in a different direction.

It isn't all bad though....online is a good step foward for Nintendo. Yes VERY LATE but better late than never. People do WANT to play smash bros. and mario kart online and now Nintendo will give them that.

I don't doubt that the PS3 and XBOX 360 will do extremely well based on screenshots alone but I think Nintendo will have a little something more up their sleeve than what we have heard. It just comes down to how "revolutionary" it truely is.

Nintendo has already been mining that veing for a while. We've seen numerous NES and SNES titles revived on GBA and more recently DS has offered a new home to N64 games. The big advantage of this on the GBA is the massive number of owners too young to have experienced those games in their previous incarnation. I'm a big believer in keeping old properties available but I've got dire misgivings when it is the most prominent feature of a new system.

Microsoft already has the means in place to duplicate this via Xbox Live Arcade. Sega licenses out the Genesis emulation cheap and SNK Playmore would likely be pleased to do the same with the Neo-Geo platform. The PC Engine/TurboGrafx is owned by Hudson and also available for emulation licensing.

Sony likely has something in mind as well. This could be a nice additional revenue stream but system seller it ain't.

[Javery]

All this talk about the Revolution being inferior to the PS3 and 360 is really really funny. I'm assuming ther doubters weren't around 6 years ago when the tech demos for the PS2 were floating around and all of Sony's empty promises... Graphics on par or better than Toy Story? :rofl: Nintendo seems to recognize the importance of 3rd party developers this time around - I seriously doubt they would not have something on par with Sony and Microsoft. Also, they launch last which gives them ample time to beef up the specs if they are lacking right now... don't judge until you've played it...

[Grave_Addiction]

Plus, depending on the way the system is set up, it gives Nintendo a carrot to dangle in front of some of the long time development houses... show them how these old titles are turning profit again, and then say, "We'd be happy to cut you in and list your catalogue...if you make a couple of new games for us".

So basically you suggest Nintendo should blackmail other companies.

[goosedude]

I don't see what everyone is b****ing about. If you don't want a Revolution, don't buy one. I for one am totally satisfied with Nintendo's announcements. Access to every Nintendo game ever made? I'm there.

I think the reason people are upset is that Nintendo is not standing up to take back the market that they helped become so large....and they have a chance here to be a market shaper again.

Its nice to have access to the Nintendo Back Catalog.....BUT I ALREADY OWN IT and I have MAME........ So how is that a Revolution??

I already play games online via PS2, and XBOX......so how is that a REVOLUTION??

I already play DVDs on XBOX & PS2....how is that a REVOLUTION??

Sorry to say......but if this is all Nintendo has for the "Next-Generation".....they'll be developers for PS4, PSP2 and whatever the next XBOX is called.

[epobirs]

Nintendo was trying to push $20 NES games that were on a GBA cart this past year. Would we have any doubt that Nintendo would continue to try to milk these games for all they're worth?

I wouldn't be opposed to having a monthly charge for the All-Access, though. They could charge $5-$10 a month and you could download something like 10-20 games a month. But if you ever cancel your membership, you will still get to keep all the games you've downloaded.

I think that would be more attractive to us gamers rather than having to pay $5 for a Castlevania rom.

An all you can eat subscription could be good but I very strongly doubt they'd be inclined to let you retain games after canceling the service. If you aren't going to use the service enough to bother keeping up the fees those games are always available as one time purchases very cheaply along with the hardware. Anybody with soldering experience can replace the battery in about five minutes.

[MorPhiend]

"When you turn on Revolution and see the graphics, you will say, 'Wow...:drool: '."

- Satoru Iwata (Nintendo Pre-E3 Press Conference 2005)

[Admiral Ackbar]

I'm sorry, but that GBA Micro may sell well but it seems useless to me.

I can already fit the GBA Sp in my pocket. It's clamshell will protect the screen unlike with the Micro. It offers no new features. I can't tell either but if the Micro screen is smaller that's a definite NONO. Of course it could be bigger, but then it wouldn't be micro.

Finally, I have big hands, and it's hard enough playing on the GBA Sp. I dunno how I'll be able to use the GBA-M for long periods without cramping up.

[epobirs]

I think the reason people are upset is that Nintendo is not standing up to take back the market that they helped become so large....and they have a chance here to be a market shaper again.

Its nice to have access to the Nintendo Back Catalog.....BUT I ALREADY OWN IT and I have MAME........ So how is that a Revolution??

I already play games online via PS2, and XBOX......so how is that a REVOLUTION??

I already play DVDs on XBOX & PS2....how is that a REVOLUTION??

Sorry to say......but if this is all Nintendo has for the "Next-Generation".....they'll be developers for PS4, PSP2 and whatever the next XBOX is called.

Two generations from now they could bring their snowboarding franchise to the Xbox 1080. How perfect is that? And the skateboarder will love the Xbox 720.

[Grave_Addiction]

An all you can eat subscription could be good but I very strongly doubt they'd be inclined to let you retain games after canceling the service. If you aren't going to use the service enough to bother keeping up the fees those games are always available as one time purchases very cheaply along with the hardware. Anybody with soldering experience can replace the battery in about five minutes.

You're probably right. I was thinking what would be best for the consumer, but we all know that's a second thought.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't think they can get away with selling games at $5 a pop.

[WildWop]

So basically you suggest Nintendo should blackmail other companies.

It's only slightly different from the "develop for us and we'll charge you considerably less in licensing fees" approach that Sony employed with the PSX. They're both methods of enticing third parties, but Nintendo's approach feature product more prominently while relegating raw $$ to the background.

[PsyClerk]

"When you turn on Revolution and see the graphics, you will say, 'Wow...:drool: '."

- Satoru Iwata (Nintendo Pre-E3 Press Conference 2005)

Yeah, I might say "Wow...I got F'd in the A."

/with regards to Daphatty

//ah, I'm just stirring the pot

[epobirs]

"When you turn on Revolution and see the graphics, you will say, 'Wow...:drool: '."

- Satoru Iwata (Nintendo Pre-E3 Press Conference 2005)

"Wow, you'd think I'd know better by now but noooo! Hornswoggled again."

[Zmonkay]

Nintendo was trying to push $20 NES games that were on a GBA cart this past year. Would we have any doubt that Nintendo would continue to try to milk these games for all they're worth?

I wouldn't be opposed to having a monthly charge for the All-Access, though. They could charge $5-$10 a month and you could download something like 10-20 games a month. But if you ever cancel your membership, you will still get to keep all the games you've downloaded.

I think that would be more attractive to us gamers rather than having to pay $5 for a Castlevania rom.

While I think Nintendo has an interesting idea with downloadable old games, I think someone else came up with that idea a long time ago. Now where was it...oh yes, THE INTERNET! Nintendo can't honostly believe that this will be anything more than an added feature if they charge for it, as roms for anything before the current gen can be easily found all over the place (not that I'm endorsing emulation, just stating a fact). Why would someone pay to download an old SNES or N64 game when an emulator/rom combo on a PC can play them just as well. I'll buy the Revolution no matter what, as it is the only system that will have Nintendo first and second party games, but I REALLY hope this feature isn't supposed to be some sort of selling point.

[goosedude]

I agree with your point on the Micro........I love the design of the GBA SP....now if they'd made that a little thinner.....

Then again...I haven't touched my GBA SP in months (love my PSP)......though I will bring it out for some play next week....

YAY ...WARIOWARE TWISTED.

[WildWop]

You're probably right. I was thinking what would be best for the consumer, but we all know that's a second thought.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't think they can get away with selling games at $5 a pop.

I hope you meant "More than $5 a pop." You can't even get these games used consistently under $5 unless they were complete crap, which is the type of game that probably won't be made available through this method.

[jam3582]

I'm sorry, but the screens I've seen of the PS3, and Xbox 360 games do not look impressive to me at all. I'm so unimpressed with them that I don't care that we didn't see any Revolution screens, it's like Nintendo didn't even need to show it because the PS3/Xbox360 screens look like this gen to me. I saw one screen that looked slightly better than this gen, and it was a Killzone 2 screen for the PS3, and even that only looked like a PC game, not some mega "cell processer" or some bullshit like that. Why should I be paying $300-$400 for PS3/Xbox360, IMO they haven't shown anything substancial either. Not to mention the Xbox only has limited backwards compatiblity, fuck that shit.

ok ok ok wait a minute let me get this straight your saying that the kill zone 2 demo looked like a pc game ? plz let me know which one sure isnt doom 3 or Half Life 2 and those are the top games right now , and the only other game that comes to mind is unreal 2007 and gear of war and thats slated for next gen systems also. now if the killzone 2 video was actual in-game footage ( still skeptical ) there is no pc game that looks like that ,it looks like a rendered cut scene . Now I dunno about you but the best looking game i have seen on xbox was splinter cell 3 and that cannot compete with Half life 2 or Doom 3 sorry. Not trying to start in argument but I think that comment was a little naive .

BAck to topic , wish they did show something on the revolution controller . Let me ask this question is every one impressed by the fact that you could download old nintendo games , do u think this would be a main selling point for the system that would actually sell more revo ? Im 50/50 on that one. Ofcourse ill still get it why not right I mean hello who cares if its not as powerful as the other 2 . your buying it cause you know your gonna get alot of first party software that will not dissapoint you. shit thats why I bought the Gamecube , first party software is sex-cellent. :lol: