Is it just me? Or does this E3 feel trite?

[Mookyjooky]

The way that all the major consoles are jumping together at the last second to show the goods, while the Xbox 360 is mysteriously lacking all of a sudden... Doesn’t it feel like 1983 (Arcade Crash) all of a sudden?

It seems like they're all bursting at the seems to flood the market of hype for systems that show only graphics...

Come on people! These are pre-rendered concepts.... If you don’t see someone playing it and freaking out about how cool it is...then why even give two shits?

All this graphics nonsense makes me feel like I'm watching Mummy Returns.... the CG animation is great...but so much of it without substance is making me feel ill. Then the lack of caring sets in....

It's hot in E3 right now...but it just doesn't feel like the first showing of the PS2 or anything. Am I right?

This is what it's sounding like to me....

Xbox 360: Has a chance to be king...but is lacking. Competing with the PS2 for about 6-8 months will be a sight to see...as it stomps the competition with an almighty Bill Gates Dick-slap. Halo 3 released at PS3's launch will be funny as well, as people wonder if they really need to spend $300+ or buy a $50 dollar game and go home and enjoy...but, they're system will be the weakest link for coming out so early.

PS3: Man, this console is trying their bullshit tactics with the whole "We'll release the console with better graphics and people will wait" attitude. This was ok against Sega, who has numerously screwed the consumer...but against Microsoft? Microsoft has been no less than the prince of consoles to consumers... People wanted a good online service...here’s XBL. People wanted smaller controllers, here’s the Type S controller. I cant think of very many things MS has done wrong with their freshman effort... Personally, I just know that the PS3 is going to overheat and break 3 times during its lifespan forcing me to buy it three times like the last two... and personally...I really don’t care anymore. Not only that, but making a sequel to a game that got an average of 7.5 as your flagship title is retarded. Metal Gear 2 sold the last one, stick with what works...not shit no one cares about.

And then, the Revolution:
This is Nintendo's "make it or die" under the foot of the greedy corporations time... Supposedly the Revolution isn’t going to stand toe to toe with the PS3 and the 360, but create a separate market in gaming. I only wish the best of luck to them, but something tells me that this is their last console.

Anyone think anything else?


PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion, not how cool Zelda is.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Gamers need something to jerk off to, E3 is that. Take it all with a grain of salt until the system is in your hands.

[The Successful Dropout]

Gamers need something to jerk off to, E3 is that. Take it all with a grain of salt until the system is in your hands.

so jerk off with salt?

[evilmax17]

E3 hasn't even started yet, it's all been pre-show stuff. Don't get jaded just yet.

[javeryh]

I'm pissed the PSP and DS seemed to take a back seat to all the chest thumping bullshit with the new consoles...

[Mr Unoriginal]

so jerk off with salt?

Yes I find the abrasion nice. I can jerk off and exfoliate my penis at the same time.

[Ozzkev55]

Not only that, but making a sequel to a game that got an average of 7.5 as your flagship title is retarded.
Are you refering to Warhawk?

[WildWop]

Are you refering to Warhawk?

Killzone

[bmulligan]

...Competing with the PS2 for about 6-8 months will be a sight to see...as it stomps the competition with an almighty Bill Gates Dick-slap...

...PS3: Man, this console is trying their bullshit tactics ...

...Microsoft has been no less than the prince of consoles to consumers...

...PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion...

I'm still waiting for the serious part of the discussion to begin...

[RAMSTORIA]

I'm pissed the PSP and DS seemed to take a back seat to all the chest thumping bullshit with the new consoles...

again, i think thats because the system unveilings have been pre-show stuff, once the convention gets rolling at full speed well see a lot more games and im sure actual in game footage

[Mookyjooky]

Originally Posted by mookyjooky
...Competing with the PS2 for about 6-8 months will be a sight to see...as it stomps the competition with an almighty Bill Gates Dick-slap...

...PS3: Man, this console is trying their bullshit tactics ...

...Microsoft has been no less than the prince of consoles to consumers...

...PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion...


I'm still waiting for the serious part of the discussion to begin...

So you dont think that the Xbox 360 will hold more than its own against the PS2?

Sony doesnt do the "We'll release later with bullshit pre-rendered crap showcasing the power that no game ever seems to utilize?" I saw the PS2 concepts, and I've yet to see a PS2 game look as good as them.

Microsoft hasnt done extremly well to its customers with it's freshman effort? The last freshman effort I've seen as good as this was the 8 bit Nintendo.

And I'm not being a fanboy, I've honestly spoke the truth as I saw it from all consoles...all of them have had bad shit about them. I personally just see the MS people giving the customers what they want.

Xbox = Good Games, but low title list. Great online service, and other than the True fantasy letdown, they've been very good to their customers.

PS2 = Huge list of games, some hot as hell - most not. Lacking in power and graphics. Shitty Online service, but at least they have one. Free DVD player though!

Gamecube = 3rd party gaming companies left them behind, and now they release awesome games! Only they release 4 a year...booo! The best selling game has been Smash Brothers, but where's a sequel? They have trouble giving consumers what they want. Too much intrest in stupid ventures (Gameboy interactivity, no online, no DVD support)

[dpatel]

keep in mind that PS3 still has one more E3 before its release. Then we will see the true form of games. I'm sure the reason PS3 showed alot of CG games is because they are not ready to show their games yet. They just wanted to slow MS down by upshowing them this E3.



Personally, I just know that the PS3 is going to overheat and break 3 times during its lifespan forcing me to buy it three times like the last two... and personally...I really don’t care anymore.


PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion, not how cool Zelda is.

oh the irony. Have you actually owned a PS3 and had it break down on you? Didn't think so. I know sony's track record isn't that great but at least give it a chance. Personally, I think the DRE problem is blown way out of proportion. There are many people who haven't had any problems.


Not only that, but making a sequel to a game that got an average of 7.5 as your flagship title is retarded. Metal Gear 2 sold the last one, stick with what works...not shit no one cares about.

MGS4 is in the works. Like I said, we still have 1 mor E3 befor PS3 is released.

[Mookyjooky]

Personally, I think the DRE problem is blown way out of proportion. There are many people who haven't had any problems..

You should work part time at a game store. It's not. I've owned 3 PS1 and 2 PS2 and I handle with kid gloves.

I bought the Xbox before my PS2 and have yet to have a single issue with it.

And the gamecube? Or anything else nintendo makes? A MOTHER-FUCKING Champ.

[Rig]

I may be a little bit biased towards Nintendo, but why does everyone think this would be their last system? I'm sure they'd want to be numero uno, but they are still consistantly making a profit! Why quit when you are making money?! Maybe if they were losing money on their systems, but the Gamecube has made them money, and their handhelds always keep them afloat. I don't think Revolution will be their last. Who knows how the public will accept/reject it though... :sad:

[pumbaa]

Yes I find the abrasion nice. I can jerk off and exfoliate my penis at the same time.

Amish Lube?

[dpatel]

So you dont think that the Xbox 360 will hold more than its own against the PS2?


no one is saying that. I think 360 will have a much better chance than xbox did. It has some established franchises (Halo, Ninja Gaiden, Jade Empire, Fable, DOA, KOTOR) and has already proven itself. It is also no longer the new comer so people know what to expect.


Sony doesnt do the "We'll release later with bullshit pre-rendered crap showcasing the power that no game ever seems to utilize?" I saw the PS2 concepts, and I've yet to see a PS2 game look as good as them.


my opinion is that sony likes to stretch the truth. I don't know this for a fact but I believe that the PS2 is capable of those ps2 concept graphics. That's only if the entire system is focused on that one concept. The reason we haven't seen games like that is because games invovle alot of other variables that affect the overall outcome. Things like multiple characters on screen, enemy AI, etc. Sony probably meant that if the PS2 were to just have 1 character on screen with nothing else, they could produce Toy Story like graphics. Which probably isn't far from the truth. But they like to stretch the truth and make it sound like all their games will feature these types of grapihcs.



Xbox = Good Games, but low title list. Great online service, and other than the True fantasy letdown, they've been very good to their customers.

PS2 = Huge list of games, some hot as hell - most not. Lacking in power and graphics. Shitty Online service, but at least they have one. Free DVD player though!

Gamecube = 3rd party gaming companies left them behind, and now they release awesome games! Only they release 4 a year...booo! The best selling game has been Smash Brothers, but where's a sequel? They have trouble giving consumers what they want. Too much intrest in stupid ventures (Gameboy interactivity, no online, no DVD support)

The games is all opinionated. XBox focuses more on action/online/driving and western rpgs. Gamecube multiplayer/original/niche titles. Ps2 has a broader range. The lack in western RPGs and FPSs though. Also, you said that they are lacking in power and graphics which are both going to be fixed next gen. I am assuming online will also be improved but there hasn't been an official word on it yet. Also will come with free blu-ray player.

[javeryh]

I may be a little bit biased towards Nintendo, but why does everyone think this would be their last system? I'm sure they'd want to be numero uno, but they are still consistantly making a profit! Why quit when you are making money?! Maybe if they were losing money on their systems, but the Gamecube has made them money, and their handhelds always keep them afloat. I don't think Revolution will be their last. Who knows how the public will accept/reject it though... :sad:

Don't worry, Nintendo is not going anywhere. The last time I checked the entire point of running a company was to make money, not to be "the coolest shit ever yo!" and they are doing just fine with the Gamecube.

[Tromack]

I agree.

I'll admit I have a bit of a Nintendo bias (or at least I'm able to look the other way at their stupid decisions because they make such kickass games), but this "Revolution is teh suck" stuff pisses me off. Everybody is saying "Oh, it's only 2-3x more powerful than the GC" which in my opinion means it is still a pretty kickass system. Given how sweet the new Zelda looks, if they could easily produce something that looks 3x better then damn.

Anyway. The Xbox 360 looks like it will be pretty good. The PS3 is either pure smoke and mirrors or amazing. The Revolution is a wild card. This E3 seems to be 99% bullshit as opposed to 95-97% like previous years.

[dpatel]

You should work part time at a game store. It's not. I've owned 3 PS1 and 2 PS2 and I handle with kid gloves.

I bought the Xbox before my PS2 and have yet to have a single issue with it.

And the gamecube? Or anything else nintendo makes? A MOTHER-FUCKING Champ.


I would like to believe you but to me it sounds like many people use the DRE problem to bash the PS2. You can't really prove how many ps2s you have gone through. To me it sounds like you are an xbox fanboy which is also why I don't believe you. Many anti-sony fanboys seem to focus on that because no one can really prove whether or not they have had DRE's.

[shipwreck]

I agree.

I'll admit I have a bit of a Nintendo bias (or at least I'm able to look the other way at their stupid decisions because they make such kickass games), but this "Revolution is teh suck" stuff pisses me off. Everybody is saying "Oh, it's only 2-3x more powerful than the GC" which in my opinion means it is still a pretty kickass system. Given how sweet the new Zelda looks, if they could easily produce something that looks 3x better then damn.

Anyway. The Xbox 360 looks like it will be pretty good. The PS3 is either pure smoke and mirrors or amazing. The Revolution is a wild card. This E3 seems to be 99% bullshit as opposed to 95-97% like previous years.

I think the main problem with the Revolution reportedly only being 2-3x more powerful than the GameCube is third-party support. Nintendo already struggles in this area, and if there is a large gap in power between the Revolution and the other systems, third-parties are not going to port their games to the Revolution. This greatly limits the library of games and causes third-parties to either develop games specifically for the Revolution or just ignore it completely. Nintendo is going to have to rely even more on their first-party titles if these early "power" reports are true. I think Nintendo can survive and make money with this strategy, but they'll pretty much be relegated to a secondary system that people just buy to play the Mario's and the Zelda's. That really cuts into your market share.

[jam3582]

The way that all the major consoles are jumping together at the last second to show the goods, while the Xbox 360 is mysteriously lacking all of a sudden........ PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion, not how cool Zelda is.

EDIT :sorry just gut ur quote , didnt wanna have people scrolling down forever

Ill understand you but lets just wait and see why get mad over something we havent even spent money on yet . I mean what is going to be shown at every e3 is just fireworks , more of a visual appeal . Have we ever scene a console e3 announcement with playable games that feature new interesting gameplay concepts. It would be great if thats done but that wish would probably never happen.

Just take a wait and see aproach dont bother with P.R hoopla from any of the big 3 . As for me I dont mind all the PR bullcrap thats what they are there for. I dont mind seeing "tech" demos , be it that they are real time or cg who cares sooner or later we would find out if it was worth it or not .

[shipwreck]

I would like to believe you but to me it sounds like many people use the DRE problem to bash the PS2. You can't really prove how many ps2s you have gone through. To me it sounds like you are an xbox fanboy which is also why I don't believe you. Many anti-sony fanboys seem to focus on that because no one can really prove whether or not they have had DRE's.

He's right though, if you did work at a game store you would be absolutely amazed at the number of PS2's that come back defective. It's truly staggering how many of these things come in.

[Mr Unoriginal]

He's right though, if you did work at a game store you would be absolutely amazed at the number of PS2's that come back defective. It's truly staggering how many of these things come in.

Stop lying! Unless you video tape every customer I'm forced to believe you are making it up. Fan boy, you make me sick.

[jkam]

I had the belief that I had a great launch PS2 until I bought Lego Star Wars and couldn't play it (blue bottomed disc). So now I have a slim PS2.

As for the original post everything as of right now is smoke and mirrors. I think we should all wait a little while and see what the "real" deal is.

[dpatel]

He's right though, if you did work at a game store you would be absolutely amazed at the number of PS2's that come back defective. It's truly staggering how many of these things come in.

I stand corrected then. After reading the OP it was hard to believe anything he was saying.

[Mookyjooky]

I would like to believe you but to me it sounds like many people use the DRE problem to bash the PS2. You can't really prove how many ps2s you have gone through. To me it sounds like you are an xbox fanboy which is also why I don't believe you. Many anti-sony fanboys seem to focus on that because no one can really prove whether or not they have had DRE's.

I dont have a Xbox... ;-) Just a PS2 and my girlfriend has a Gamecube. I also own a PSP.

[Ozzkev55]

I dont have a Xbox... ;-) Just a PS2 and my girlfriend has a Gamecube. I also own a PSP.
Ahem...Narniancrusader

[Mookyjooky]

Ahem...Narniancrusader

Doesnt exist anymore...I no longer have my account. Ever wonder why I'm never on?

Also, I didnt get rid of my Xbox cause it sucked, it's cause it sucked too much of my life away. ;-)

[modium]

It is pretty discouraging to see so much focus placed on the graphics, but like most have said, it is mostly just fireworks to show off a sleek new system. At this point, we don't know much of anything. Any company could have some amazing playing, innovative games down the pipeline, or they could have absolute dreck with a pretty coat of paint. I'm trying to stay positive about the whole thing, but it's sad to see gaming going even more mainstream with a flood of sequels, demographic-specific advertising (MTV special comes to mind) and such an importance placed on graphics.

I do agree with what you say about Microsoft giving the customers what they want, for the most part. I remember when they were creating the Xbox, they had wide surveys and studied the way gamers play their games. One thing to come of this was the extra-long controller cord. Also, they originally intended to have a VMU-like slot on the controller, but found that most gamers were too focused on the TV to even look down at it. It was a great idea on paper, having a little display, but they were right; I loved my Dreamcast, but rarely did my eyes ever wander down to the controller. Plus, XBL just proves this point. Nintendo is more about telling the customers that they want. Like, "oh, you all will love to buy GBAs and get friends together and connect! You'll love to swipe cards to play games! You'll love to poke and blow your handhelds!" They are interesting and new concepts, which is good, but it's all getting to be too much. They love to do things their own way, knowing that there are more than enough people who will buy anything Nintendo-branded to keep them afloat and making a profit.

Add me to the DRE list. My launch PS2 died on me, so I ended up buying another around the time Kingdom Hearts came out. My Xbox is also giving me guff lately, but that's probably due to the Thompson drive. Cubey is still chugging along like an iron-fisted champion. One thing I know for sure is that I'm more than likely NOT buying any of the new consoles soon after they release, just to give them time to drop in price and work the bugs out.

[evilmax17]

IGN's E3 coverage is starting to get to me.

http://img282.echo.cx/img282/2456/sd0jl.jpg

[dpatel]

We shouldn't worry about graphics. I thought the same thing with PS2/xbox/gamecube. They are just showing what the majority of people want to see. It would kinda be a waste to have all this new hardware and focus on creative new games. They want to boast this new power by focusing on graphics.

[Ozzkev55]

Doesnt exist anymore...I no longer have my account. Ever wonder why I'm never on?

Also, I didnt get rid of my Xbox cause it sucked, it's cause it sucked too much of my life away. ;-)
I know about the account canceling, but you sold you xbox...how much did you get for it?

[javeryh]

You'll love to poke and blow your handhelds!

:rofl:

[Eviltude]

The only good thing about the xbox 360 hardware i've seen is well...nothing. I like the fact that(I hear, have not seen comfirmation but I haven't really looked) they will have video chates and shit. As for the PS3, it's got the hardware part down. It's got an HD slot, memory stick, memory card, flash drive, 3.2GHz processor. However the controller looks like shit as most have said. I think everyone has played with something shaped like that before and its no good. Both MS and SCEI are trying to make it look new and fresh but people enjoy the controllers as they are now. However, if PS3 is going to compete in FPS range, they need to get a new setup on the controller somehow. Thats just what I'm seeing so far. Can't wait for the E3 rundowns on everything though, im gonna have to grab a gamepro or something along with my PSM.

[strayfoxx]

PS: Prove your theories with facts, not fan-boy bullshit. This is a serious discussion, not how cool Zelda is.

Zelda is pretty damn cool though :)

[evilmax17]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/05/18/e3floor_screen036.jpg