"The Poll" Bush VS Kerry

[defender]

Since there is a BIG political topic going on I thought it was cool to add a poll. Let the voting begin and no hanging chads please.

[bignick]

You could probably get this poll on the news!

[opportunity777]

The news sites lack an intelligent community unlike the fine members of CAG :)

[punqsux]

You could probably get this poll on the news!

yeah but here we get the nerd demographic ^^

[punqsux]

could we have a close date for this?

[st0neface]

You could probably get this poll on the news!

yeah but here we get the nerd demographic ^^

...and the pirate one too.

[bignick]

You could probably get this poll on the news!

yeah but here we get the nerd demographic ^^

One that is very under rated!

[rywateska]

How long are you going to let this vote go on for? If you hold this same one until the election it'll go crazy. But then again people could always just change their mind once Saddam and Osama get jiggy in a cell togethor.

[defender]

I dont see a reason to have an END date.

[evilmax17]

Haha nice thread defender. I'm actually kind of interested to see what happens!

[punqsux]

I dont see a reason to have an END date.

to see who wins!

id rather have a winner than a poll reliving the 2k election

[rywateska]

I dont see a reason to have an END date.

to see who wins!

id rather have a winner than a poll reliving the 2k election

. . .my point proven exactly in such modest words

[jeffreyjrose]

I wonder who cheap asses will vote for... hmm, Kerry?

[defender]

well it doesnt make sense to end this before the actual election which is very far away..

I wonder how close this poll will be to the real results.

[Medium_Pimpin]

*Not a scientific Poll.

[Ikohn4ever]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

That's the spirit! If it isnt instant gratification, then why bother! Hooray!

[Dead of Knight]

Limecat is quite pleased with the results of the CAG election thus far.

http://etudiant.epitech.net/~bret_a/limecatmini/limecat-mini-green.jpg

[Ikohn4ever]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

That's the spirit! If it isnt instant gratification, then why bother! Hooray!

Why would you vote for someone you knew was going to lose. Thats like playing a video game you know there is a glitch in making it impossible to beat but still trying to beat. The current state of US politics does not support a 3 or more party system.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

That's the spirit! If it isnt instant gratification, then why bother! Hooray!

Why would you vote for someone you knew was going to lose. Thats like playing a video game you know there is a glitch in making it impossible to beat but still trying to beat. The current state of US politics does not support a 3 or more party system.

I think a better example may be (and using the simpsons) is when bart ran for president and was kicking martins ass. Well no one bothered to vote for him because they thought somoene else would. Naturally he lost. Maybe if people didnt go around saying "it is a waste of a vote" people who would rather vote for nadar actually would. I'm sure 3rd party candidates have much more support than are shown in the polls, people just get stupid ideas put in their heads.

[evilmax17]

A lot of people I know who want to vote for Nader just want to do so to "be different", or because it's the cool, underground, resistance thing to do. I'm not saying everyone's like that, but if you're going to vote Nader, at least have a reason for doing so.

[Ikohn4ever]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

That's the spirit! If it isnt instant gratification, then why bother! Hooray!

Why would you vote for someone you knew was going to lose. Thats like playing a video game you know there is a glitch in making it impossible to beat but still trying to beat. The current state of US politics does not support a 3 or more party system.

I think a better example may be (and using the simpsons) is when bart ran for president and was kicking martins ass. Well no one bothered to vote for him because they thought somoene else would. Naturally he lost. Maybe if people didnt go around saying "it is a waste of a vote" people who would rather vote for nadar actually would. I'm sure 3rd party candidates have much more support than are shown in the polls, people just get stupid ideas put in their heads.

The only reason I say this is that I am a democrat and I feel that Nader cost Gore the election because his canidacy was on a liberal platform. Even the people that supported Nader in 2000 dont want him to run anymore because they dont want him to take votes.

Think if theres say 10 people in a class for election theres me, link and ganon. 5 people are goin to vote for ganon cause there are always evil people, 4 people vote for link, and I vote for myself. Ganon wins, link loses because I was selfish knew that I had no chance but I still voted for myself.

[Mr Unoriginal]

A lot of people I know who want to vote for Nader just want to do so to "be different", or because it's the cool, underground, resistance thing to do. I'm not saying everyone's like that, but if you're going to vote Nader, at least have a reason for doing so.

I agree with that. Unfortunately for this election it seems like it is going to be the lesser of the two evils argument. Somehow I see the election shaping up as people who like Bush vs people who hate Bush (as opposed to people who like Kerry).

[Mr Unoriginal]

Theres no point in voting for nader. Its like the Halloween episode of the simpsons when Kang and Kodos took over and the election was between those two and Ross Perot. The end reult Kang wins, its a two party system voting for the third part canidate in the US is throwing your vote away.

That's the spirit! If it isnt instant gratification, then why bother! Hooray!

Why would you vote for someone you knew was going to lose. Thats like playing a video game you know there is a glitch in making it impossible to beat but still trying to beat. The current state of US politics does not support a 3 or more party system.

I think a better example may be (and using the simpsons) is when bart ran for president and was kicking martins ass. Well no one bothered to vote for him because they thought somoene else would. Naturally he lost. Maybe if people didnt go around saying "it is a waste of a vote" people who would rather vote for nadar actually would. I'm sure 3rd party candidates have much more support than are shown in the polls, people just get stupid ideas put in their heads.

The only reason I say this is that I am a democrat and I feel that Nader cost Gore the election because his canidacy was on a liberal platform. Even the people that supported Nader in 2000 dont want him to run anymore because they dont want him to take votes.

Think if theres say 10 people in a class for election theres me, link and ganon. 5 people are goin to vote for ganon cause there are always evil people, 4 people vote for link, and I vote for myself. Ganon wins, link loses because I was selfish knew that I had no chance but I still voted for myself.

I understand your arguments. And I can definately see that they make logical sense etc. It just seems strange to me to have a "democracy" but then have people say "Don't vote for who you think is the most qualified, vote in a particular way to get the asshole out".

[Ikohn4ever]

I can def see your point and I am all for democracy and I am voting because I have done my hw on Kerry and Nader. It does kinda suck the way the system is setup but you have to work with the system or somehow find a better way. Until then its a waste of a vote, maybe if Bush loses this year and starts a new party like the bull-moose party its possible. Its a lot easier for a former pres to do anything than a no name third party guy

[punqsux]

http://fatali.servebeer.com/~ilkka/bush/George%20W%20Bush%20Iraq%20-%20irak.jpg

[evilmax17]

I understand your arguments. And I can definately see that they make logical sense etc. It just seems strange to me to have a "democracy" but then have people say "Don't vote for who you think is the most qualified, vote in a particular way to get the asshole out".

I don't think it was always like that. The past four years seem like extreme circumstances, but perhaps I'm only saying that because I'm 19, and I've only been interested in politics for the past 5 or so years.

I'm a registered democrat, so Kerry gets the vote for that reason. I'm not a huge Kerry fan, in fact, I was a big Dean supporter til the bitter end. Kerry's not a bad guy I guess, and to me, he's a whole lot better than Bush. I'm not a big Nader person, so I wouldn't vote for him. So my choices are a) don't vote, b) vote "Mickey Mouse" (throw it away), c) vote for my party rather than candidate. Well, my candidate lost the nomination, so the next best thing is option c. I don't have a huge problem with it though.

[defender]

People didnt really like Reagans politics either but he was reelected.

[bignick]

Kerry will win the CAG poll Bush will win the election. You heard it here first!

[bmulligan]

People didnt really like Reagans politics either but he was reelected.

I think you mean:
people I know didn't like his politics, but he was re-elected.


And BigNick, you're a freaking genius. This poll won't reflect the actual results, but It already reflects the videogamer demographic. The pre-post-pubescent willfully irresponsible with mom and dads money, possibly still living with the rents, spending all their money on toys and their car instead of a mortgage, woefully uninformed, overly impressionable and ideallistic with no concept or maturity of intellect to realize that none of these people they are voting for has any motivation except to feed their own ego, payback those who helped elect them, and suck as much money from your and my wallet as humanly possible.

[bmulligan]

I'm still waiting for sweeny to jump in and defend the politicians as being truly caring human beings and not weasely ego-freak monsters.


still waiting........

[bob_the_goon]

I hate Kerry, but I hate the shrub more. I won't vote for Nader for the reasons outlined in the "he cost Gore the election" argument above. I would consider voting No Confidence if given the option though, which at least this poll did.

[elprincipe]

Wow, more liberals on here, interesting stuff. BTW, I voted "none of the above", of course, since both Democrats and Republicans are generally not people I'd vote for, and neither is Nader.

[elprincipe]

I understand your arguments. And I can definately see that they make logical sense etc. It just seems strange to me to have a "democracy" but then have people say "Don't vote for who you think is the most qualified, vote in a particular way to get the asshole out".

I agree with you wholeheartedly Mr. Unoriginal. To characterize not voting Republican or Democrat as "throwing your vote away" is a very shortsighted and stupid thing to say. Yes, at this point in time another candidate isn't going to win. However, if more and more people vote for other candidates, that means in the future those candidates will have more of a chance for real support. It's a vote for the future, a better future where we're not limited to a choice between two candidates, each of which who you know will do a bad job.

[elprincipe]

I can def see your point and I am all for democracy and I am voting because I have done my hw on Kerry and Nader. It does kinda suck the way the system is setup but you have to work with the system or somehow find a better way. Until then its a waste of a vote, maybe if Bush loses this year and starts a new party like the bull-moose party its possible. Its a lot easier for a former pres to do anything than a no name third party guy

That's a good point (the new party thing and needing to find a better way, not the "waste" part). I would also suggest that we (the US) should possibly switch to a runoff system, or more feasibly an instant runoff system. You could vote for your top 3 choices for president, count the votes, and then one by one eliminate candidates and have people's votes who voted for those candidates go to their second choice, then third. That way people wouldn't be as afraid to vote for someone other than a Dem or a Rep, and in the end if you did vote for someone else you can keep the guy most people don't like out of office. To use a recent example, it is likely that under this system George Bush would have beaten Bill Clinton and Ross Perot in 1992.

[bignick]

Bump. Go Bush!

[Ikohn4ever]

Bump go Kerry

[Ebraum]

As of right now, Bush.

[snotknocker]

Hey defender, I gotta say that I would never of thought you of all people would start a political thread. This is just a shit slinging fuckfest waiting to happen. I don't want to be the pessimist but I've seen it too many times before and I know you have too. God man! what were you thinking? Why invoke the hostility?

[Cracka]

Bush is gonna win the election, and in a fit of rage, Kerry will throw his purple hearts at Bush. you heard it here first! WOO WOOOO</bubb rubb>

[ZForce915]

Kerry will win the CAG poll Bush will win the election. You heard it here first!

I might have believed this about a month ago. But right now, for some reason I think Bush is going to get mauled in November. Provided we have a clean election I think it's going to be a landslide. And I'd like to point out I had the viewpoint before the release of Moore's film.

[legion_stxds]

Wow!
So… last election seems to have created a vengeance vibe amongst the people who are democratic. Who would have seen that one coming. Still, other than vengeance and a party affiliation, why vote for Kerry, Bush, or Nader? I am totally surprised that no one yet has talked policy (are their platforms even coming across?). Which, by the way, speaks more than party affiliation. While I don’t care for Nader’s green party; though, I do accept his choice to run (it is a free country, and he who has millions of $ can run for president :D). Oh, I think I should state I am an independent.

[eros]

What kind of poll is this? Where is my "Not Bush" option?

[Ikohn4ever]

Wow!
So… last election seems to have created a vengeance vibe amongst the people who are democratic. Who would have seen that one coming. Still, other than vengeance and a party affiliation, why vote for Kerry, Bush, or Nader? I am totally surprised that no one yet has talked policy (are their platforms even coming across?). Which, by the way, speaks more than party affiliation. While I don’t care for Nader’s green party; though, I do accept his choice to run (it is a free country, and he who has millions of $ can run for president :D). Oh, I think I should state I am an independent.

The green party is not backin Nader, they dont want anything to do with him.

[ZForce915]

Wow!
So… last election seems to have created a vengeance vibe amongst the people who are democratic. Who would have seen that one coming. Still, other than vengeance and a party affiliation, why vote for Kerry, Bush, or Nader? I am totally surprised that no one yet has talked policy (are their platforms even coming across?). Which, by the way, speaks more than party affiliation. While I don’t care for Nader’s green party; though, I do accept his choice to run (it is a free country, and he who has millions of $ can run for president :D). Oh, I think I should state I am an independent.

The green party is not backin Nader, they dont want anything to do with him.

Yeah, I was a little surprised to hear that. Are there any Green Party members here? What do you guys think of that?

[LV-426RS]

I dont see a reason to have an END date.

Make an end date and have a new poll every month up to election time to see how the CAG community swings with the different events.

[legion_stxds]

Wow!
So… last election seems to have created a vengeance vibe amongst the people who are democratic. Who would have seen that one coming. Still, other than vengeance and a party affiliation, why vote for Kerry, Bush, or Nader? I am totally surprised that no one yet has talked policy (are their platforms even coming across?). Which, by the way, speaks more than party affiliation. While I don’t care for Nader’s green party; though, I do accept his choice to run (it is a free country, and he who has millions of $ can run for president :D). Oh, I think I should state I am an independent.

The green party is not backin Nader, they dont want anything to do with him.

You're right.... LOL haha... they are backing their own guy. (http://www.gp.org/)

[SevereTireDamage]

I dont see a reason to have an END date.

Make an end date and have a new poll every month up to election time to see how the CAG community swings with the different events.

That's actually not a bad idea. You could lock the thread and call it by month...