Final Fantasy 7

[Quackzilla]

I have heard many good things about Final Fantasy 7, and am contemplating buying it.

Will there be a port in the near future, maybe to PSP or PS3?
I don't want to buy the PS1 version for my very old PS2 and find out it's coming out for PSP...


Also, what do I need to play PS1 games on my PS2?
I know I need an old memory card, but do I need an old controller too?

[3QGojo]

No, all you need is the memory card and you'll be fine.

[alongx]

There will be no ports. Square made this explicit during the Sony conference at E3. Well, maybe not 100%, but they did deny that any FF7 remake would happen...only the four fucking sequels. I think it came up before, to do a PS2 remake, but Square-Enix said that a remake would not be necessary, since the original is still available and playable on current consoles.
You need a PS1 memory card, but a PS2 controller will be fine.

On a side note, I hate FF7.

[gregthomas77]

On a side note, I hate FF7.

Hallelujah

[Quackzilla]

What's bad about FF7? Is all that stuff just hype?

[Mr.Answer]

There will be no ports. Square made this explicit during the Sony conference at E3. Well, maybe not 100%, but they did deny that any FF7 remake would happen...only the four fucking sequels. I think it came up before, to do a PS2 remake, but Square-Enix said that a remake would not be necessary, since the original is still available and playable on current consoles.
You need a PS1 memory card, but a PS2 controller will be fine.

On a side note, I hate FF7.


Methinks your 'hatred' of FF7 is actually deep infatuation.

[onikage]

What's bad about FF7? Is all that stuff just hype?

Don't listen to them, FF7 is a great game.

[BIG5]

It is a great game (I'm actually playing it now) but it's easy to be turned off by the hype. I feel that way about Ocarina of Time: good game, but I'm sick of hearing that it's the best ever, because it's not.

[b3b0p]

FF7 is a pretty good game. It is entertaining and engaging. However, there are times when the story can become kind of weird (thinkg Metal Gear Solid 2, but not as bad). That would be my only complaint. I spent a good amount of time playing and beating this game and it pretty much kept my attention the whole time. I highly recommend you get the guide though and use it as a reference when you get stuck or can't figure out what to do next.

My favorite FF of the PSOne era was FF9. Think I might fire that one up again soon.

[alongx]

Methinks your 'hatred' of FF7 is actually deep infatuation.

You think incorrectly. FF7 was a terrible, terrible game. However, since I am not senile, I remembered the announcement Square-Enix president Wada made three days ago saying FF7 was not being remade.

[greyzieoriental]

FF7 is the only rpg that is worth beating more than once IMO

[basketkase543]

When I first played FF VII about 7 years ago, i had no idea what the hell was going on in the plot. I recently replayed the game a few months ago and understood a lot more and found the story to be pretty interesting. As with anything that involves entertainment (movies, tv, etc.): forget the hype and just play it and enjoy it for what it is.

[alongx]

What's bad about FF7? Is all that stuff just hype?

Characters, battles, story all felt generic and boring. I didn't like Cloud or any of his supporting cast and didn't think Sephiroth was a particularly cool or interesting villain. Especially in comparison to the superb FF6, FF7 feels like it doesn't have any charm or personality, particularly now, when the graphics no longer seem awe-inspiring.

[pimpinc333]

Yea pick that shit up its pretty sweet. The graphics where my biggest concern when I started to replay it again 3 months ago. But they still look sweet.

[Scahom1]

I liked FF7 most because of the music. To this day I still play the songs in my head.

[Alpha2]

To remake FF7 would probably take a massive effort especially to re-animate all the cinemas for new consoles with better graphics. Not something I think they'd want to do anytime soon, maybe when the series gets another 10 games older they might but I think we'd see that comming well in advance because of updates for other games before that.

[doodle777_98]

FF7 was way overhyped, i think chrono trigger is the only rpg worthy of being beaten more than once.

[Pylis]

I've cleared FF7 at least 5 times. It's my favorite Final Fantasy, and I have played and beaten 1-6 (with the exception of FF3j).

[doodle777_98]

i think ff3( i think ff6 in japan) was the best one hands down. ff7 just had better graphics but not by much. Alot fo the graphics besides the better cinematics looks like it could be done on the N64. It was too blocky. I think the only difference graphic wise was the fact that it was the first time final fantasy charazcters weren't little midgets. They finally became tall and had necks.

[Pylis]

I loved FF3(6j), and it takes second for my favorite Final Fantasy (followed closely by Final Fantasy Tactics). A huge array of characters, and unlike crap like Chrono Cross, all of the characters are well developed. Late in the game, though, the story just completely fell apart in my opinion.

[dcfox]

If you don't listen to the hype, than you'll be able to enjoy FF7. I just started playing it again myself. Even having played it twice before I still find it highly enjoyable. It has a certain charm and quality that just doesn't disappear no matter how many times you go through it.

[tdphillips]

FF7 has a great story, and it got me into RPGs full force, whereas before I only played Dragon Warrior and Chrono Trigger. It is a fantastic RPG IMO.

[Michael Bolton]

FF7 is awesome buy it now

[bobo2k4]

Was it really that hyped up back then? I think people are hyping it up now not back then.

[Kayden]

Was it really that hyped up back then? I think people are hyping it up now not back then.

Wow... I take it you didn't own a TV 7 years ago... :lol:

[xenoman80]

ff9 reminded me of dbz the whole main character being from another planet and him having a tail. i guess its just me!

[xenoman80]

same here
FF7 has a great story, and it got me into RPGs full force, whereas before I only played Dragon Warrior and Chrono Trigger. It is a fantastic RPG IMO.

[punqsux]

I liked FF7 most because of the music. To this day I still play the songs in my head.

ill agree with this, on top of having an amazing story and great gameplay, its imo the single best soundtrack ever composed.

if you dont get this game, at least get the soundtrack.

[elwood731]

I still think FF6 is the best of the series. I personally do not find FF7 as good a game as 6, but to each their own. I was actually let down by it at the time, though again, I still found it a good game. Worth a play, but FF6 is the one everyone should play.

[crazytalkx]

Just buy it! Its a fucking great game. The graphics really don't detract from the game at all.

[punqsux]

i find the graphics really charming, i LOVE the pre-rendered backgrounds along with the blocky hand, no faced characters, i dont know why but i think this is a nice little touch that makes the game seem more story like and less humanized.

[opportunity777]

It is a great game (I'm actually playing it now) but it's easy to be turned off by the hype. I feel that way about Ocarina of Time: good game, but I'm sick of hearing that it's the best ever, because it's not.

The reason for that is at this point and time there is no best game ever, and there will never be.

[DuelLadyS]

Regardless of people's opinions, FF7 is easy to come by, so you should be able to get it cheap. So you might as well do just that. Even if you hate it, you won't be out much.

[Mr_hockey66]

I normally don't like rpgs. Loved ff7. NOw I like rpgs. ff8 gets over looked. I reallly oiked 8. The card game was pretty cool. 9 I can't stand stupid little monkey thing!

[punqsux]

i agree ff8 was really a nice change of pace in the series and i enjoyed it, i wasnt feeling 9 as much, but it was solid, the problem with 9 is that some characters were really well developed, and some felt really tacked on.

[Kayden]

i find the graphics really charming, i LOVE the pre-rendered backgrounds along with the blocky hand, no faced characters, i dont know why but i think this is a nice little touch that makes the game seem more story like and less humanized.

I saw an article for a cellphone version of the snowboarding game. It boasted about how cellphones are now powerful enough to copy the games every detail, right down the to expression on clouds face. At that point I started laughing. The only "expression" he ever had was a pair of giant, blankly staring eyes.

[sisco1986]

FFVII is a great game, but it's been way to overhyped by the online gaming community. It was an awesome game back then, but get off Squares nuts already, jebus..

[The Successful Dropout]

who actually listens to hype anyway? if you don't listen to it, it won't effect your experience

[dcfox]

i find the graphics really charming, i LOVE the pre-rendered backgrounds along with the blocky hand, no faced characters, i dont know why but i think this is a nice little touch that makes the game seem more story like and less humanized.
I feel the same way about the graphics. That's why I hope SQE doesn't remake the game. Even all these prequels, sequels and spin-offs are getting to be too much.

[willardhaven]

I'm pretty sure half of the people who trash Final Fantasy VII these days are those who touted it as the second coming of Christ in its heyday.

[MeGaWC27]

Square Enix declared they won't remake FFVII for the PS3?
Well I haven't been following up with the announcements made in E3, but here's an article for a FFVII Tech Demo using the PS3's hardware (vid's link is there as well)
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyvii/preview_6124979.html

As for the game, It's a great game, go try it out if you've never played it before.

Edit:
Here's the vid link: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyvii/media.html

[Skylander7]

Well, FF7 didn't age well, that's for sure. The blocky polygon characters look a little silly. FF6 aged much better. Although I believe random battles are the devil, I'd have to say give 6 a shot first. But if you can, try Grandia II for DC, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, and the Lunar games. Suikoden I and II are both excellent games as well, but filled with random battles.

And stay the hell away from Dragon Warrior VII, unless you have a zen-like resistance to frustration. After putting 90 hours on disc one, I was scarred for life in regards to RPG's.

[kaw]

While it's by far not my favorite Final Fantasy, I did enjoy playing through it one time. There were some very memorable scenes and storylines. As others have mentioned the soundtrack is fantastic, and sets the mood better than any game I've ever played.

[msdmoney]

IMO it was more a movie than a game, it was part of the era that used cgi cutscenes to wow people and make them forget about the actual gameplay. The cutscenes and story are always talked about with the game, but very little is said about the gameplay normally.

[tdphillips]

And stay the hell away from Dragon Warrior VII, unless you have a zen-like resistance to frustration. After putting 90 hours on disc one, I was scarred for life in regards to RPG's.

Ugh, DW7. I wasted 75+ hours plus restarts after getting killed by bosses numerous times of my life on that one.

[electrictroy]

A remake of FF7 is okay with me if it's like the Mario remakes for Super Nintendo (parts 1/1.5/2/3) - Same game ; better graphics.

BTW: Be sure to get Final Fantasy Anthology & Chronicles. They contain *the best* rpg games - Final Fantasy 6 & Chrono Trigger.I have heard many good things about Final Fantasy 7, and am contemplating buying it.
Warning - This game is seriously overhyped. When I first bought my PS2, I got FF10, FF9, and FF7. 10 & 9 I liked. 7 was a drag. IMHO the flaw is that FF7 has too many "dry" sections where you fight-fight-fight and almost nothing happens storywise (example - climbing the 100-floor building of your enemy -or- the dumb section where you waste an hour finding a dress).


Also, the story, while good, is poorly executed. It basically boils down to a meteor poisoning the planet's "health" - very simple concept - but the writer dances around & adds un-necessary complication. He takes 2+2 = 4 and turns it into 1-5+4-6+2-1+7-2 = 4. That's why so many gamers go, "Huh? What just happened?" It was a lousy script.


And finally, the Battle Engine - totally unbalanced. A good RPG will provide balance between physical & magical attacks. A good RPG will make each character unique with specific skills & weaknesses (like real people-some are fighters; others are healers). Not so FF7:
- it's all magic... physical attacks are worthless (about 1/4 the damage)
- and the characters are completely interchangeable. You can equip Fire3 to your man & Heal3 to your girl. And then the next battle, completely flip it around, so the man is the healer & the girl is the killer. And then flip it again. No individuality. Each character is identical.




One good thing:

The Music.

I still have the soundtrack & listen to it at work. The composer of FF7 was a genius. But the actual game - I played it twice & then dumped it to ebay.

troy

[jughead]

FF7 is the only rpg that is worth beating more than once IMO
that could be the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Have you ever played chrono trigger? It gets better everytime you play it.

[Quackzilla]

I decided not to get it, I bought FFX last year and it sucked so much ass I didn't make it halfway through before I sold it.

It was all cutscenes and crappy story, and gratuitous random encounters really piss me off when I am running around in 3D.

The "acting" was melodramatic, the characters annoying, and it was just overall a 1/10 game that you couldn't pay me to play.


From all of your descriptions, it seems like FF7 and FFX use the same formula.


Thanks for helping me decide.

[electrictroy]

What you just described is essentially how ALL rpgs work - lots of battles & "pauses" to tell a story.

I call them "story games" because that's basically their purpose.

troy

[Trakan]

Haha, you tell smalien1 to go back to gamefaqs because he makes a "Convince me not to buy a PSP" thread and you make a "Convince me to buy FFVII" thread. :lol:

[onikage]

IMO it was more a movie than a game, it was part of the era that used cgi cutscenes to wow people and make them forget about the actual gameplay. The cutscenes and story are always talked about with the game, but very little is said about the gameplay normally.

I've never seen much conversation in relation to the cutscenes. This may have been a hot topic when FF7 was initially released but the lasting strength of this game has nothing to do with them. CGI just helped to tell the story along with the in-game text. I don't think they were in any way intended to make people forget about the gameplay.

[pimpinc333]

I decided not to get it, I bought FFX last year and it sucked so much ass I didn't make it halfway through before I sold it.

It was all cutscenes and crappy story, and gratuitous random encounters really piss me off when I am running around in 3D.

The "acting" was melodramatic, the characters annoying, and it was just overall a 1/10 game that you couldn't pay me to play.


From all of your descriptions, it seems like FF7 and FFX use the same formula.


Thanks for helping me decide.

LOL Have you ever played any other RPG's? I just think RPG's aren't for you.

[pimpinc333]

Haha, you tell smalien1 to go back to gamefaqs because he makes a "Convince me not to buy a PSP" thread and you make a "Convince me to buy FFVII" thread. :lol:

The bad thing about this is that Quack had his up before Smalien posted his up. I just think its funny.

[Quackzilla]

Haha, you tell smalien1 to go back to gamefaqs because he makes a "Convince me not to buy a PSP" thread and you make a "Convince me to buy FFVII" thread. :lol:

I have heard many good things about Final Fantasy 7, and am contemplating buying it.

Will there be a port in the near future, maybe to PSP or PS3?
I don't want to buy the PS1 version for my very old PS2 and find out it's coming out for PSP...


Also, what do I need to play PS1 games on my PS2?
I know I need an old memory card, but do I need an old controller too?


Uh, when did I ask for someone to convince me to buy it?


"Convince me" topics are made by people who have already made a decision, they just have such low self esteem they need someone else to validate it.


"Convince me" topics are pathetic, I just didn't know if the hype was for real. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

[electrictroy]

(shrug) Some people like RPGs, and some don't. You just happen to don't.

The reason I like RPGs:
- enjoy a good story
- I liked FF10's story about Yuna sacrificing her life for her world
- the random battles are fun - i enjoy kicking monster butt ;-)

The leveling up at the end of the game can get tedious (I wasted 5 hours on random battles, just before beating Sin), but otherwise I enjoy seeing the story and fighting the enemy.



Maybe you should try a game that does *not* use random attacks? Like Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger or Grandia 2? With these games, you can see the enemy, and not fight them.

Or maybe you're just more of an action person, no story. In that case, try Ratchet & Clank!

troy

[electrictroy]

Here's the vid link: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyvii/media.htmlWOW. Sony took the opening pre-recorded movie from the PS1 game...

...and re-programmed it to run on the PS3 *in real-time*. And no, we're not looking at block people with square bodies & hands. They are equal to Shrek quality!

WOW.

By the way, I just noticed something in the first scene - It looks like Aeris materialized from the green ether. Could it be that she's not a person, but the "spirit of the planet" made into human? Was that Aeris' birth??? Interesting.

troy

[electrictroy]

P.S.

Why *are* the people in FF7 blocky? That was made in 1995 right? If other CGI from 1995 - Babylon 5, Toy Story, Jurassic Park - could make "rounded" people...... why couldn't Square?

troy

[epobirs]

P.S.

Why *are* the people in FF7 blocky? That was made in 1995 right? If other CGI from 1995 - Babylon 5, Toy Story, Jurassic Park - could make "rounded" people...... why couldn't Square?

troy

Babylon 5 didn't do people, by and large. At best they did guys in space suits seen from a distance. Not a big rendering challenge.

There is a major difference in investment here. The only one of those three done on the cheap, and that is a relative term, was B5. Toy Story and Jurassic Park had several times larger budgets and a delivery method that didn't produce compromised results. No matter how the images were produced the playback device remained a celluloid strip at 24 frames a second. There was no issue of mastering a new platform at that end.

On the Playstation Square had to acquire a whole laundry list of new skills that hadn't been a factor on early systems using ROM cartridges that mapped directly to memory. Memory management and disc access issues were now a major issue. Managing a 3D pipeline efficiently involved a major learning curve for all developers. Some early PS1 games were barely an improvement on FX chip games for the SNEs despite the massive difference in resources. All of this took time and money to master while games needed to be produced to keep the company going. FFVII broke a lot of new ground for Square but was a primitive effort for the platform. The difference between it and FFVIII is huge in terms of technical quality.

As for the blocky characters, that was part artistic license and the need to have some consistency between the gameplay appearance and FMV depiction. FFVII was one of the first CD games to feature FMV and 3D characters rather than sprites like the Lunar and Ys titles on the Sega CD and TurboGrafx respectively. The intent was for the transition between gameplay and FMV to be less jarring than it was in those earlier CD-ROM platofrms. The FMV in later FF games reflected not only the greater ease of producing such but also the improved gameplay graphics, continuing the consistency of appearance.

The 3D in gameplay and FMV was terribly primtive by the standards of the same platform just a few years later but it worked. The game was hugely successful, expanded the RPG audience in the US greatly, and set some precedents for everything to follow. (It helps that over the PS1's life as Sony's main platform the cost of producing a minute of high quality FMV 3D animation dropped like a rock.)

At the time of PS2 launch Square did announce intention to produce upgraded PS2 native remakes of FF VII, VIII, and IX but that plan was discarded as the GH versions of the games kept selling very well. I suspect the idea will be revived when the games have been missing from retail as long as the SNES FF titles had when they were revived with added FMV for the PS1.

[electrictroy]

I was disappointed with the SNES re-releases of FF4/5/6. They added movies, but the actual games were not upgraded. At the very least, they could have upped the resolution to 640x480 and removed the jaggies (imho).

I'd especially like to see FF6 redone with PS3 graphics! A great story... a great game... and great graphics to match. It would rock.



"Consistency" between the PS1 graphics & the pre-recorded cgi movies is a pretty good explanation for FF7. However, Square seemed to abandon that idea with later games. Parasite Eve, FF8, FF9 - the pre-recorded movies are FAR superior to the actual PS1 graphics. (Ditto when you compare FF10 graphics vs. the pre-recorded scenes.)

troy

[urzishra14]

Characters, battles, story all felt generic and boring. I didn't like Cloud or any of his supporting cast and didn't think Sephiroth was a particularly cool or interesting villain. Especially in comparison to the superb FF6, FF7 feels like it doesn't have any charm or personality, particularly now, when the graphics no longer seem awe-inspiring.

i never thought the graphics were "awe inspiring"... i thought 7 was better than 8.. but not as cool as 9 was. 9 felt like a real adventure... the problem with 7 was it through you like "right in the middle of the story" then gave flash backs to what happened before.. i always felt completely lost at the first of the game. and i'm sorry after Bioware revolutionalized RPGs (with console games becoming more and more open ended) you might find yourself to be a little confined to a certain play style. Maybe I just want all RPGs to play like KOTOR or Fable.. or like D&D PC RPGs where you can actually pick exactly what abilities your characters will recieve.

but anyways.. its a good game if you like square very confining RPGs.. (Kingdom hearts.. prime example of a confining square game.. you don't even get to play as Donald or Goofy or any of the other "NPC" in your party.. not cool) but the story is very excellent.. like most Console RPG.. you lose customization for great story.

[b3b0p]

IMO it was more a movie than a game, it was part of the era that used cgi cutscenes to wow people and make them forget about the actual gameplay. The cutscenes and story are always talked about with the game, but very little is said about the gameplay normally.

Xenosaga

[whoknows]

Xenosaga

I sold that game. I couldnt stand the looong cutscenes followed by 5mins of playing.

[epobirs]

I was disappointed with the SNES re-releases of FF4/5/6. They added movies, but the actual games were not upgraded. At the very least, they could have upped the resolution to 640x480 and removed the jaggies (imho).

I'd especially like to see FF6 redone with PS3 graphics! A great story... a great game... and great graphics to match. It would rock.



"Consistency" between the PS1 graphics & the pre-recorded cgi movies is a pretty good explanation for FF7. However, Square seemed to abandon that idea with later games. Parasite Eve, FF8, FF9 - the pre-recorded movies are FAR superior to the actual PS1 graphics. (Ditto when you compare FF10 graphics vs. the pre-recorded scenes.)

troy

All of those had far better gameplay graphics and the issue of confusion had been dismissed. (It didn't matter if the problem was real or not if the doubt was there.) Also, the artists by then had a far better grasp of 3D animation work and better tools with which to do it. The FMV had progressed from novelty to major storytelling asset. Before FFVII almost all FMV was 2D anime style. This is one of the reasons FFVII is held in such regard. It marked a point at which everything changed and RPGs crossed over into the mainstream for Western gamers. This was all inevitable but Square and Sony knew they had the chance to make an event of it. The graphic quality of everything that followed was better by far but this is where it began.

Aside from the FMV additions, keeping the SNES FF and Chrono Trigger revivals identical to their original platform was fully intentional. They could have defined a sort of Super-Duper NES for the environment and enhanced the artwork quite a lot but a big part of the attraction was seeing how these games were played for those younger players or newcomers, and also offering nostalgia for those who'd played the originals. Someday, when there is believed to be a lot of money in it, they'll probably do more graphically ambitious remakes.

[electrictroy]

[[ff8/9/parasite eve] had far better gameplay graphics and the issue of confusion had been dismissed.

Confusion? Between the game and the pre-recorded movie?

I agree FF7 was an innovative game, and it's worthy to remember it for that, but that doesn't mean it's good (imho). People remember "Pong" for being the first arcade game, but that doesn't mean they still play it.



And finally with Final Fantasy 4/5/6, I was hoping for an upgrade the way FF1/2 and Mario 1/2/3 were upgraded..... i.e. same game/higher resolution/more colors.

troy

[electrictroy]

I sold Xenosaga. I couldnt stand the looong cutscenes followed by 5mins of playing.I don't mind long cutscenes if the story is good. Even if you subtract Xenosaga's scenes, you still get a sold 40 hours of gaming. That's more than you get with Zelda WW or Metroid Prime.

As someone at rpgamer.com once said, "RPGs are just a different method of story-telling." Xenosaga embraces that concept to the maximum extent possible.

troy

[Kayden]

FF6 already has great graffics...

Games like FF6 and Chrono Trigger have a simple elegance that is only defiled by 3d. Theres a great deal of beauty and detail in the sprites.

[electrictroy]

True, but I find it easier to identify with 3D people, than with 2D icons. I feel more sympathy for the fully-realized Yuna, than the little icon labeled Terra. FF6 is definitely the best Final Fantasy, but it could be made even better if the icons were replaced by people we can identify with.



Also for people who prefer 2D (like you), they could up the resolution to 640x480 (or 960x720 HDTV), and still preserve the same 2D character. i.e. Remove the jaggies.

troy

[Mookyjooky]

Of course they'res better games out now than something almost 10 years old. But if you want a piece of history...play one of the best games of all time for $10 bucks...if its not your thing, its not your thing...but though it wasnt revelutionary for the RPG genre...it was revelutionary for bringing that magic + a little more to the console in full 3d and high quality cinematics.

The people who think FF7 is one of the worst RPGs are probably people who didnt play it when it came out....cause I bought it the first day it came out and it was unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[electrictroy]

The people who think FF7 is one of the worst RPGs are probably people who didnt play it when it came out....cause I bought it the first day it came out and it was unlike anything I've ever seen before.I wasn't criticizing FF7's graphics. I don't care. I still play primitive games like Space Invaders and Asteroids.



I am criticizing the aspects that have not aged. I don't like the battle system's unbalanced favoritism towards magic, the characters which are all identical & interchangeable (in battle), or the poorly-written script (good story...lousy exectution).

Even if I had played FF7 on day one, I think I'd still declare it inferior to the Super Nintendo's FF4 and FF6.*

troy

* aka the poorly-renamed FF2 and FF3

[Kayden]

RPGs almost always favor magic...

Also, battle centered on using magic orbs to give you power... is it really surprising that magic is a big component when fighting?

How has magic being the primary damage dealer NOT stood up?

[electrictroy]

A properly balanced RPG will give near-equal damage to both Physical attacks & Magic attacks (points to the aforementioned FF6).

With FF7, Cloud & Barrett might as well not carry a sword or gun. They become worthless, compared to the Magic.

troy

[Quackzilla]

Actually, a well balanced RPG favors magic attacks, with a tradeoff being low stamina/defense for the magic user, and rewwards the weaker physical attackers with high defense, and high speed so their attacks are more accurate and they hit more often.

[Kayden]

My memory is a bit hazy... buy couldn't you use slash-all with a lot of str boosting and hit everyone for 9999 anyways?

[tdphillips]

Strong magic should always be more powerful than strong physical attacks in an RPG.

[epobirs]

To remake FF7 would probably take a massive effort especially to re-animate all the cinemas for new consoles with better graphics. Not something I think they'd want to do anytime soon, maybe when the series gets another 10 games older they might but I think we'd see that comming well in advance because of updates for other games before that.

Give it five years after all the major retail chains have stopped bothering to stock GH PS1 games. First we'll probably see all three PS1 FF titles released with minor enhancements on one disc, then perhaps real remakes.

[RAMSTORIA]

hey, the 10 year anniversary is coming up for final fantasy vii.... keep your fingers crossed

[Genocidal]

*crossing fingers* Here's to them not remaking FF7 :D

[GreenMonkey]

I decided not to get it, I bought FFX last year and it sucked so much ass I didn't make it halfway through before I sold it.

It was all cutscenes and crappy story, and gratuitous random encounters really piss me off when I am running around in 3D.

The "acting" was melodramatic, the characters annoying, and it was just overall a 1/10 game that you couldn't pay me to play.


From all of your descriptions, it seems like FF7 and FFX use the same formula.



LOL Have you ever played any other RPG's? I just think RPG's aren't for you.


Agreed! WTF? You just described like almost all RPGs. What are you playing RPGs for?


My wife is playing FF7 again (she started playing it and got about 15 hours into it 3-4 years back). She's not a big RPGer but she enjoys some of them (Mario RPG, Paper Mario, etc).

The graphics have not aged well - on my 100" screen, they suffer a lot more than my old 27" TV. The polygonal people looked much better on a smaller screen. MUCH. In contrast FF4/5/6 sprite-based graphics still look OK blown way up.

FF7 was a good game. Good story, interesting battle system although magic gets Overpowered later on. I agree with the no-personalization problem, but this plagues all the FF games after FF4...FF6 suffered from this, very badly, as well (Espers practically = materia IMO). Exempting FF9, this has been a problem ever since.

I recommend not doing all the extra crap like beating the Weapons and getting stuff like Knights of the Round - it's much better, and the end fight is much harder. That's how I played it the first time around.

Oh...on Dragon Warrior VII. I was stuck on the end guy when I got busy and didn't get a chance to finish playing it. I spent 80 hours or so on it. Decent game - no DWIV but decent. I was glad to have a game that was actually hard. FF games have gotten ridiculously easy - FFX was awesome except for the PATHETICALLY lame difficulty level that makes it not even worth playing again. A good RPG should kill you more often than once, as happened with me and FFX (and it was a kill due to a triple petrification). I mean, I killed the end guy in 3 hits. And I don't level up most of the time, I don't like leveling up.

[electrictroy]

Actually, a well balanced RPG favors magic attacks, with a tradeoff being low stamina/defense for the magic user, and rewwards the weaker physical attackers with high defense, and high speed so their attacks are more accurate and they hit more often.You are correct, but my point is that FF7 doesn't have any physical attackers. Everyone's a mage... that's where the real power lies. The physical attacks, even for Cloud or Barrett, are worthless in comparison. Second time I played FF7, I used nothing but magic attacks.

I don't like that setup. I like a mixture. I like balanced.

And of course there's still the issue of interchangeable characters... just swap the materia, and boom, you've made Tifa a killer & Cloud a healer. And then swap them back. All characters are identical in battle.
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Anyway, I can already see I've lost this debate. Like the Star Wars lovers/apologists who keep insisting Episode 1 was good, you guys will never admit that FF7 is, at best, mediocre. It's your first love, and you are blind to its faults.

troy

[b3b0p]

It seems like half of you want them to remake FF7. Why!?!?!

You can go to just about any store in the entire country or go online and by a copy of FF7. It plays right on your Playstation 2 (in case you chucked your Playstation in the trash or worse, sold it to EBGames/Gamestop). The only reason Nintendo can get away with remakes is because Nintendo's games are not backwards compatible (and no longer for sale).

A remake would be a complete waste of resources, time, and money.

Is the only reason for slightly better graphics? Good graphics don't make good games.

[willardhaven]

I used a lot of Cloud's physical attacks throughout my several plays through FFVII. It is a highly customizeable magic system, but it's by no means a bad one.

Final Fantasy IX still remains in my eyes as the best Final Fantasy. I would love to see a realtime version of FFVII surface on PS3, it would be a lot of fun to walk a fully-realized Midgar.

[Moxio]

If you haven't bought it yet, you should. At roughly $10 - $15, it's a steal.

[electrictroy]

Final Fantasy IX still remains in my eyes as the best Final Fantasy. FF9 is very cool - but I still think FF6 (aka FF3-u.s.) outshines it. You should go pick up FF Anthology and try it.



It seems like half of you want them to remake FF7. Why!?!?! Is the only reason for slightly better graphics? Good graphics don't make good games.I agree 100%, but why settle for inferior graphics, when you can have photo-realistic (points to the PS3 FF7 demo and/or FF12)? The graphics were upgraded for Mario All-Stars, Final Fantasy 1/2, and Zelda Ocarina of Time (from lo-res to hi-res)..... and the results were beautiful. So why not give FF7 the same treatment?

Ditto FF6.

I'd rather play FF7 with full-sized, rounded people... than with square, blocky polygons.

troy

[mkg12]

if i havent said anything in this thread yet, i would like to say Final Fantasy VII is definately with no doubt worth $15. That would be around $5 more then some crap movie at the theatres and would bring so much more enjoyment. I enjoyed it very much. I know how people say it's overrated, or was overhyped, yada yada yada. Even if it is overrated, none the less it's a good game. I don't know how people can say,"It's the worst game ever" in some threads and crap like that. They either have not played it really, or just don't have any crappy games.

[Kayden]

They do it either to troll, or because they're an anti-sheep. A sheep has no mind of its own and blindly does what everyone else does. An anti-sheep hates what everyone else does simply because they do it. The quality of the game doesn't matter, they hate it just because a lot of people said it was cool.

[electrictroy]

FF7's not the worst game.

Nor is it the best.

It's just mediocre..... somewhere in the middle.

troy

[GuilewasNK]

Damn, I still haven't beaten FFVII. I was pretty far into the game but that was like 1998!

I really liked the Materia system. It was fun mixing and matching and maxing them out. The characters were good. I thought the graphics were ok for the time but could have been better. I saw this a few years back for the PC at a flea market and now I wish I had bought it. I imagine the graphics would have been much cleaner.

It was one of the first console games that I remember that used the s-word. Not that it was a big deal but still interesting. Actually there was quite a bit more "mature" dialog than most games at the time.

[willardhaven]

FF9 is very cool - but I still think FF6 (aka FF3-u.s.) outshines it. You should go pick up FF Anthology and try it.


I actually picked up Anthology on its release date, and I used to rent FFIII from Blockbuster very often when I was 9.

It's a good game, but it didn't charm me as IX did. The random encounters are at their worst as well.

I hail IX as the best in the series because it takes some of the best parts of other games in the series and mixes them together with inspired visuals and a great soundtrack. If you only play one Final Fantasy and want to get an idea of the series, IX is the game to play.

[electrictroy]

I like FF9. A lot. Sadly, we are in the minority. Common complaint - "The story sucks, the villian is girl, and the hero is monkey."

It always amazes me when I hear comments like that. (1) People complain there's no innovation in gaming, but (2) When a company tries something different (like with a tail, and a villian who looks like a girl), aka innovation, they complain again.

troy

[MorbidAngel4Life]

FFVII is definitely worth it.

[b3b0p]

I'll agree with the above posters, Final Fantasy IX is truly wonderful! By far the best in Playstation era and beyond. Not sure if I can say better then FFIII (U.S.), but it is close.

[lionheart4life]

Go for it. If you haven't played a Final Fantasy, you will probably love it. It was honestly the first real RPG I played, I always thought they looked stupid with numbers popping out of people's heads, etc. I put it in and was hooked instantly. Its still probably one of my favorite games ever. I don't think you can really say FF6 was any better or worse, they have a lot in common but at the same time many differences. In my opinion, they both have great storylines and character development for the majority of their characters. I might be more biased towards 7 because I didn't play 6 until the PS era, but you can't go wrong with either one. Its even better that you can pick up both for under $40 (along with FF5, which I didn't really enjoy and just beat it as fast as I could, but its still solid). While you're at it, grab Tactics too, because that may very well be the best of all of them.

[daphatty]

FFVII. Best. RPG. Ever.

Sephiroth. Best. RPG Villian. Ever.

'Nuff Said.

[Kayden]

FFVII. Best. RPG. Ever.

Sephiroth. Best. RPG Villian. Ever.

'Nuff Said.

You can change your opinion at any time.

http://filespace.brentdax.com/ACDragonMaster/ACen04_07-Sephiroth.jpg

[mkg12]

You can change your opinion at any time.

http://filespace.brentdax.com/ACDragonMaster/ACen04_07-Sephiroth.jpg


lol........sigh......funny

[electrictroy]

I'd feel stupid dressing up like an anime character. I don't get it.

troy

[Quackzilla]

I'd feel stupid dressing up like an anime character. I don't get it.

troy

It is a great way for dumbass otakus to mark themselves so you can kill them without collateral damage.