Ebay:I got ripped big time!!! (i think)

[8ballGuy]

I sold a game to this user using the buy now service. and sne it via priority on april 27, and it was recieved on the 29 of april. She left positive feedback. Now a month later more like 29 days. I got an email from paypal saying my payment from that user is on hold and under investigation. now I notice I am protected under the seller protection, since she is verified and all. Now ebay said teh funds might have been unauthorized, and I might be held reponsible of paying back the 42$, depends of their investigation. so will paypal screw me? ohh and I just checked that user feedback on ebay and I got one question WHY THE FUCK IS SHE STILL ON EBAY WITH ALL THOSE NEGS!!!!

over 30 some negs, and some of them complaining about the user going through the paypal refund scam.

and yes I have the tracking number but i believe its only good for a day or 2 more, said she recieved it and all, and she left great feedback

I just dont understand how I can lose this one, but you never know with the paypal

[8ballGuy]

anybody give any inpute on this?

[magictoilet]

lmao, whats her name on ebay? Just go through with the dispute with paypal and show them the information that you sent and she left feedback that she received. Show them the number too.

[8ballGuy]

Yes its really weird why she would file a dispute after leaving positive feedback, yep I gave them all the stuff they ask for, her last 10 feedbacks have been negs


how do you block users from bidding on ur auction? because I am going to neg her

*FInally I blocked her

[ZeroSupporT]

Anymore ebay is a pretty dangerous place to buy and sell, I only buy from people who run their own eBay store and have tons of good feedback.

[magictoilet]

whats her ebay sn? i want to check it out

[zionoverfire]

I hope you didn't leave any money in your paypal account, if so ebay had probably already frozen it.

Assuming you don't have $42 or more in your account after ebay confirms you've been screwed they will give you a negative balance, at that point I'd just stop using the account.

[8ballGuy]

I hope you didn't leave any money in your paypal account, if so ebay had probably already frozen it.

Assuming you don't have $42 or more in your account after ebay confirms you've been screwed they will give you a negative balance, at that point I'd just stop using the account.

nope ebay hasent frozen it yet, just put a temp hold on the 42$.

My question is how the hell will a ebay user with 38 negs(5 that mention her doing this paypal refund scam on them) she already left perfect feedback, I have tracking in which confirms she recieved the item. wibn and get a refund? I will be done with paypal if they let her win this

[tickdude]

Just print out all receipts and keep track of all emails.
You have a good case...

[Quackzilla]

Let this be a good lesson for you, next time a disreputable user wins your item ignore them and use the second chance or whatever option to sell it to the second highest bidder.

[8ballGuy]

how long is the tracking number good for on USPS.com?(as in will still show up on usps.com)

Update: I called paypal thinking they would help, nope I was told more then likely i will have to give her the money back BECAUSE its fraud, im like"wow this women got 5 other refunds from you guys and screwed other users, but yet you still hand her money back to her account". Im really pissed at how paypal does nothing. Her reply was "well their is the seller protection policy, you will recoup your lose if you follow the directions". This women was even verified with confirm address, sent with Delivery confirmation and all.

I am hesistant of posting her ebay handle

[javeryh]

I am hesistant of posting her ebay handle

why?

[Quackzilla]

Post her ebay account name, and her email address.

You know she deserves it.

[moiety]

Wow I can't believe how horrible Paypal is. Even with all her similar negative feedback and the DC, what's the point of "seller protection" if they disregard the evidence. Hope it all works out for you.

I haven't had anything like this happen before, but I always withdraw the funds into my bank account immediately after I'm paid. Does this make a difference if someone tries to scam you in this manner, or do a chargeback?

[optimolife]

What the hell are you scared to post her info for?? wow...some people...I don't know how you make it through life without any common sense.

[Kfoster1979]

As a Seller you have every right to Dispute her dispute... What was the reason for the dispute? They have to give you that I worked in the dispute dept of a big Credit Card comp. for a few years .. Pay pal is just a middle man there hands are tied for the most part thats one reason i hate when people bash them there is only so much they can do

[gmzone]

I haven't had anything like this happen before, but I always withdraw the funds into my bank account immediately after I'm paid. Does this make a difference if someone tries to scam you in this manner, or do a chargeback?

No it really doesn't. You can still get scammed.

[8ballGuy]

Her dispute was the credit card #'s was stolen(wow got stolen 5 times in a few month period lol) but she been disputing for at least the pass year, i dont understand why she is dfoing this

[wubb]

Don't post her e-mail. That's against eBay's ToS. You could just link to the auction in question and that would give us all her eBay id.

Anyway, since the dispute isn't that the package wasn't received the DC # is moot. Hopefully eBay will come down on your side, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Sucky situation.

You'd hope the cops would get involved with some kind of fraud charge after a few iterations of this kind of junk.

Let this be a good lesson for you, next time a disreputable user wins your item ignore them and use the second chance or whatever option to sell it to the second highest bidder.

I'm pretty sure you'd get kicked off eBay (as a seller) if you made a habit of that.

[maxflight]

you should be alright since you have the tracking number. happened to me not long ago and paypal actually sided with me. I was amazingly surprised.

[zionoverfire]

Her dispute was the credit card #'s was stolen(wow got stolen 5 times in a few month period lol) but she been disputing for at least the pass year, i dont understand why she is dfoing this

That is really odd, you could try to demand your item back before any refund is giving, it sounds really fishy that her CC would be stolen yet the address you shipped to is confirmed, most scammers don't go to the effort to confirm an address when they pay with fraudulent funds.

[wubb]

you should be alright since you have the tracking number. happened to me not long ago and paypal actually sided with me. I was amazingly surprised.

But was it an item not received claim or a stolen CC # claim? I don't think a tracking# matters in this case.

[browneyedgal68]

Having sold lots, I'm guessing this is a credit card company dispute, not a standard paypal dispute, right?

If she has a confirmed address, and the package was sent to that address--of which you have proof--what can the credit card company say? Someone was lying in wait at her doorstep?

I'd still file a complaint with ebay. I believe you can also file a complaint with the cops too. As the credit card company is, in essence, requiring you to pay, when you have proof, they're stealing from you. And the woman is committing fraud. Take all your stuff to the cops. We filed a report once, because someone did actually get our credit card number, among the numbers of ten others who attended our wedding, charged away, and the hotel was doing nothing (we figured out that was what everyone had in common). We filed a report in case a legal battle ensued.

[electrictroy]

I just dont understand how I can lose this one, but you never know with the paypal

http://www.paypalsucks.com

To summarize - When a buyer..... make that scammer..... uses a credit card, sometimes they will charge it back. When that happens Paypal takes the money from *your* pocket.



Paypal is also well known for blatantly stealing funds. They just make up some random excuse that you violated some obscure rule, and then close your account.

troy

[jlarlee]

I've said it once and I'll say it again this shoddy treatment of honest customers is going to put paypal out of business someday

[howlinmad]

Happened to me, pretty much the same problem, same excuse, same treatment from PayPal.

I only take cashier's checks/money orders now.

[yeah-yeah]

What you should do immediately is remove all of your money out of your paypal account. You should make a habit of this after any transaction.

And ALWAYS use delivery confirmation.

[YoshiFan1]

I had the same problem about 2 months ago. Someone paid, I got an e-mail from Paypal saying they paid with unauthorized funds. Be sure to follow the instructions in the e-mail they sent with all the required information and you may get the money back. Once I replied to the e-mail and Paypal saw the devliery confirmation was showing as being delivered (and address was confirmed), they gave me back the funds.

[j-fever]

Do NOT accept Credit Cards with Paypal.. Never Never Never. Paypal seller protection is crap. Never leave funds in your Paypal account. Paypal is not a bank, and are not bound by any the laws that Banks have to follow.

[magictoilet]

what is the sellers name for the third time? At least show us the auction that you won, or else we'll be a victim of this sht. I just want to see!

[8ballGuy]

would i get in trouble for posting the link to her feedback page?

[GizmoGC]

Dumb question...where can I make it so I do NOT accept Credit Card payments on Paypal? What category?

[zionoverfire]

Dumb question...where can I make it so I do NOT accept Credit Card payments on Paypal? What category?

You can't, the only way I know to solve this is to state in your auction that you only take nonCC paypal payments and remove the auto pay feature for paypal from your auctions. You will still get a few people trying to pay by CC but you can always NPB them for not reading the payment instructions.

[PKRipp3r]

http://plaza.ufl.edu/ttoastt/pwn.jpg

[magikman]

Just print out all receipts and keep track of all emails.
You have a good case...

I lost a case just like this... only difference was that it was a shipment to Canada (so the address was unconfirmed) and it wasn't protected under the seller protection policy. I gave PayPal all the info they needed for the "investigation". The user claims that they didn't ask PayPal to reverse the charges and send they'd send me a Money Order. Of course I have not received it. $32 and a copy of NBA Live 2005 down the drain, this a month after receving very positive feedback.

[YoshiFan1]

That is exactly why I don't ship out of the United States. It just isn't worth the risk and though they could pay with an international money order, it takes forever to receive payment and then even longer for the buyer to get the item.

I always get e-mails from people asking me to ship internationally (mostly to Canada and the UK) and I always say no.

[magictoilet]

no you cant ****ing get in trouble to show the feedback page. lmao you seriously have no common sense at all. OH NO, YOU SHOWED the feedback page!!! you gon get banned! noes

[magikman]

That is exactly why I don't ship out of the United States. It just isn't worth the risk and though they could pay with an international money order, it takes forever to receive payment and then even longer for the buyer to get the item.

I always get e-mails from people asking me to ship internationally (mostly to Canada and the UK) and I always say no.

I stopped shipping to Canada after this happened. :cry: Too bad because a good % of my sales were Canadian buyers without any problems.

[8ballGuy]

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=bug25901

[permablue]

her user name wouldn't start with bug would it? this lady "sold" me a copy of doom 3 ce, and since the sale she has recieved ab 30 negs... i haven't got it and I have a feeling paypal wont to shit if they cant collect from her

[permablue]

OMG, it is her! You posted right before me... I hope they can do something... this b**** is really pissing me off

[magictoilet]

lmao owned

[magictoilet]

see why you should have f*cking posted it earlier? wow good job getting the other guy scammed too.

[8ballGuy]

her user name wouldn't start with bug would it? this lady "sold" me a copy of doom 3 ce, and since the sale she has recieved ab 30 negs... i haven't got it and I have a feeling paypal wont to shit if they cant collect from her
yep thats the one

[permablue]

Owned indeed... it seems like she recently had a breakdown and just couldn't get her crap together... she prob has no money and a paypal balance of -3000+... and I know paypal won't foot the bill if they cant collect. In addition, she printed shipping labels for all the games so she could have a tracking number to stall, or even prevent, paypal cases. Good luck with the e-mail flaming, as she never checks it anyways...

[j-fever]

You can't, the only way I know to solve this is to state in your auction that you only take nonCC paypal payments and remove the auto pay feature for paypal from your auctions. You will still get a few people trying to pay by CC but you can always NPB them for not reading the payment instructions.


Agreed

[permablue]

see why you should have f*cking posted it earlier? wow good job getting the other guy scammed too.
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nah, this happened ab a month and a half ago... but yeah, take a warning guys and stay away if she's a buyer (she's stopped selling)

[8ballGuy]

Owned indeed... it seems like she recently had a breakdown and just couldn't get her crap together... she prob has no money and a paypal balance of -3000+... and I know paypal won't foot the bill if they cant collect. In addition, she printed shipping labels for all the games so she could have a tracking number to stall, or even prevent, paypal cases. Good luck with the e-mail flaming, as she never checks it anyways...

I think I have a chance in this case since I was the seller

1. I have the DC#
2. USPS,.com says she recieved it
3. She left positive Feedback
4. I sent to verified address

Im starting to wonder if paypal do not want to foot the bill and is instead going to get refunds from multiple users on her account

[8ballGuy]

would it even be possible if the user in question as a seller never sent the items and then transfered all the funds from paypal to her bankaccount, and then the users who ghot ripped filed a CC refund. She then ends up with a Negative amount on the account lets say about 500$, and then paypal instead of footing the bill , they pass it on to users who she did pay and call it "Fraudlanant funds". is that even legal?

[Friedle]

Great job being an ass magictoilet. How trying to help the guy?

Honestly, the first thing I would do is contact the police or whatever law enforcement agency that deals with internet crime. Assume PayPal and eBay will rule in her favor since they have in the past. Shit, she's still a Power Seller. She's a rather large scammer that has a shit-ton of victims. Something should be done. You have her confirmed address as does everyone else. Maybe you should contact the other victims and organize some type of formal complaint. They can't ignore 30+ users can they?

Maybe contact the police in her area and explain the situation. Maybe they can do something.

[8ballGuy]

Great job being an ass magictoilet. How trying to help the guy?

Honestly, the first thing I would do is contact the police or whatever law enforcement agency that deals with internet crime. Assume PayPal and eBay will rule in her favor since they have in the past. Shit, she's still a Power Seller. She's a rather large scammer that has a shit-ton of victims. Something should be done. You have her confirmed address as does everyone else. Maybe you should contact the other victims and organize some type of formal complaint. They can't ignore 30+ users can they?

Maybe contact the police in her area and explain the situation. Maybe they can do something.

good idea, yep she is a power seller as am I, but at least i have perfect feedback, and shyt I pay ebay 100 a month or more for seller fees, they better not screw me over

[zionoverfire]

good idea, yep she is a power seller as am I, but at least i have perfect feedback, and shyt I pay ebay 100 a month or more for seller fees, they better not screw me over

Well I'd say it isn't exactly looking good. She probably decided to adandon ebay and realize she could shed some credit card debt while at it.

[TheBlueWizard]

Welcome to the club of us that have been dicked over by Paypal. I had to close my account and shut my eBay store after some asshole did the same thing to me. I shipped, they received, left me positive feedback and everything. They claimed their account was stolen and I was screwed. Paypal said it was all my fault for not buying their seller's protection.

After that, I closed my eBay store and that Paypal account. I have a new account now, only use it to buy, and there is no chance of me ever confirming that account. If my limit runs out, I'm closing it and starting a new one. Things I learned:

1) Paypal sucks...their goal is to screw over as many honest people as possible while protecting those who steal.
2) Never take Paypal for any auction. Only money orders and cashier's checks. Lately, I even require two weeks for those to clear as fake money orders are more and more common.
3) Paypal sucks
4) Always use delivery confirmation.
5) Never ship outside of the US without some type of signature confirmation. It costs a bunch, but make the buyer pay it.
6) If you are honest, it is Paypals goal to rip you off as much as possible.
7) Paypal isn't bound by any laws that banks/credit unions are. Your money is not safe there.
8) Paypal customer support takes lessons from the "Just say no" Capital One commercials. They only quote rules that always make you at fault and have no interest whatsoever in helping you out.

The bottom line is that I hate Paypal....there unfair and unethical business practices will bring them down someday. The down side is that it will likely bring eBay down with them. Oh well. They suck, so good riddance, I say.

[CappyCobra]

All this talk about sellers getting scammed got me in gear to change my paypal/ebay preferences. Wish Paypal would give the option to refuse payment from those Credit Card AssClowns. :(

[Friedle]

8) Paypal customer support takes lessons from the "Just say no" Capital One commercials. They only quote rules that always make you at fault and have no interest whatsoever in helping you out.

Hehe.

[Quackzilla]

I have never had a problem with PayPal, but this makes me nervous.

Maybe I should request payment in money order or concealed cash only.

[YoshiFan1]

would it even be possible if the user in question as a seller never sent the items and then transfered all the funds from paypal to her bankaccount, and then the users who ghot ripped filed a CC refund. She then ends up with a Negative amount on the account lets say about 500$, and then paypal instead of footing the bill , they pass it on to users who she did pay and call it "Fraudlanant funds". is that even legal?


Yes that is possible and I have heard it happening before. It's sickening that Paypal can do it but apparently they can.

I have never had a problem with PayPal, but this makes me nervous.

Maybe I should request payment in money order or concealed cash only.

If you do that, just be aware that your auctions will most likely end at lower prcies than if you accepted Paypal. When I accepted money orders, I would say that less than 5% paid with them and the rest chose to use Paypal.

[8ballGuy]

I have never had a problem with PayPal, but this makes me nervous.

Maybe I should request payment in money order or concealed cash only.

over 200 transcations with paypal and ran into my first problem, and look like their going to screw me with their "We fuck over our honest customers" dildo

[zionoverfire]

All this talk about sellers getting scammed got me in gear to change my paypal/ebay preferences. Wish Paypal would give the option to refuse payment from those Credit Card AssClowns. :(

Like I said before you can state in your auctions that you do not accept CC paypal payments, but you will have to deal with the constant hassle of people not reading the payment method discriptions and trying to use it anyhow.

[8ballGuy]

Like I said before you can state in your auctions that you do not accept CC paypal payments, but you will have to deal with the constant hassle of people not reading the payment method discriptions and trying to use it anyhow.

I would BUT IQ is something not abundant at ebay

[Friedle]

Like I said before you can state in your auctions that you do not accept CC paypal payments, but you will have to deal with the constant hassle of people not reading the payment method discriptions and trying to use it anyhow.

I tried doing that at first and I finally gave in and upgraded my account. Now I wish I didn't...

[zionoverfire]

I tried doing that at first and I finally gave in and upgraded my account. Now I wish I didn't...

Same here, you can downgrade your account. Personally I still accept Paypal CC, but then I don't have a creditcard hooked up to that account and I always ship after the money is firmly in my bank account. Oh, I also use a different account for buying items.

[Pookymeister]

I had the same thing happen to me.
Except it was a $300 auction that someone won. I was pissed.......but Paypal came thru and I didn't lose the money. I had sent it FedEx and had tracking number.

[8ballGuy]

well dont know if you guys are interested in hearing how this case turns out, the email from paypal said investigation will last from 3-5 days in which a decision will be made

[YoshiFan1]

I don't think it takes that long, once I sent them the information, I got that same type of e-mail and had my funds back the day after I sent the e-mail

[8ballGuy]

I don't think it takes that long, once I sent them the information, I got that same type of e-mail and had my funds back the day after I sent the e-mail

I sent the email yesterday and got back the same type of email but funds still on hold

[electrictroy]

I tried doing that at first and I finally gave in and upgraded my account.

Ditto. Ebay buyers are stupid. I typed in all caps, in the *first* line - I DON'T ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS - and they still used a credit card. They just are too stupid to read the description.

Then I had to go through the hassle of rejecting the payment, explaining to the buyer that I can not accept credit, listening to them whine about how that sucks, et cetera, et cetera.



I was wasting too much time just to save 50 cents per sale. So I upgraded my paypal account from "free" to "fees" to allow credit cards, and now I charge the fees to the customers (50 cents added to ship/handling). If they're too lazy to read my I DON'T ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS, then let them pay the credit companies' fees.

troy

[Pookymeister]

My issue took about a month to resolve. Luckily I did not have any funds in the account at the time. I made it a point to transfer to back account ASAP.
I also tried to tell my bank to refuse any attempts by Paypal to take any money from my checking account, but they couldnt do that because there was no current action being made or something like that.

[Friedle]

My issue took about a month to resolve. Luckily I did not have any funds in the account at the time. I made it a point to transfer to back account ASAP.
I also tried to tell my bank to refuse any attempts by Paypal to take any money from my checking account, but they couldnt do that because there was no current action being made or something like that.

It doesn't matter if funds are in your account or not. They'll take them out of your bank account if they rule against you.

[zionoverfire]

It doesn't matter if funds are in your account or not. They'll take them out of your bank account if they rule against you.

I thought they got sued and stopped doing that.

[YoshiFan1]

Yeah, I think they did, now your account supposedly just goes into a negative balance instead.

[bobthegoat2001]

Too bad I didn't know about this earlier. That b@sterd is trying to do the same thing to me. I got the email from paypal yesterday and I aready sent the replay back to them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8184818900

That's the link to my auction.

It's still under investication for me too. She left me positive feedback and all too, but stupid me I didn't use dilevery confirmation (which I will for now on) .

I told them though that if she gets her money back, I won't buy or sell anymore on ebay... and I won't!!! And I sell a bit on ebay too.

Too bad though I was nice and left her a positive after she left me one (which I normally do after they leave me a postive); I can't give her a nagative. The best I can do is update the feedback I already left.

I'm all in about calling the cops about her though too. Let's get this b@stered off ebay. Anybody else want to join?

[Friedle]

I thought they got sued and stopped doing that.

Happened to me about a month ago. Overdrew my checking account and everything. (It was a large Xbox lot that sold for around $300 shipped). And then the funds were on "hold" while my case was under investigation. The funds were released back to me once I proved I shipped the item, but that still doesn't cover my overdraft charges form the bank. PayPal's response in essence was "too bad".

[zionoverfire]

Happened to me about a month ago. Overdrew my checking account and everything. (It was a large Xbox lot that sold for around $300 shipped). And then the funds were on "hold" while my case was under investigation. The funds were released back to me once I proved I shipped the item, but that still doesn't cover my overdraft charges form the bank. PayPal's response in essence was "too bad".

Fuckers, I was told they stopped pulling this crap, obviously they still enjoy fucking with people. I love how they stole your money and froze it rather than simply asking nicely for shipping information.

[electrictroy]

I told them though that if she gets her money back, I won't buy or sell anymore on ebay... and I won't!!! And I sell a bit on ebay too.Why punish ebay for Paypal's criminal behavior? Keep using Ebay, just use a different payment website.

troy

[8ballGuy]

Too bad I didn't know about this earlier. That b@sterd is trying to do the same thing to me. I got the email from paypal yesterday and I aready sent the replay back to them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8184818900

That's the link to my auction.

It's still under investication for me too. She left me positive feedback and all too, but stupid me I didn't use dilevery confirmation (which I will for now on) .

I told them though that if she gets her money back, I won't buy or sell anymore on ebay... and I won't!!! And I sell a bit on ebay too.

Too bad though I was nice and left her a positive after she left me one (which I normally do after they leave me a postive); I can't give her a nagative. The best I can do is update the feedback I already left.

I'm all in about calling the cops about her though too. Let's get this b@stered off ebay. Anybody else want to join?

Hey man I will join this too she screwed me over this time and if paypal track record is any indication, she will get her money back even though I had DC#, sent to verified addreess, and she left positive feedback. We should contact the other ebay users who left negatives this month alsone(should be about 20). Then call her police department or what ever handles internet crime their.

[Viva Las Vegas]

"Why punish ebay for Paypal's criminal behavior? Keep using Ebay, just use a different payment website."

Ebay owns Paypal for one thing.

[wubb]

Does seem fishy for a thief to steal her CC # and have stuff sent to a confirmed address.

[8ballGuy]

Does seem fishy for a thief to steal her CC # and have stuff sent to a confirmed address.

Yes really weird, I believe its just her scamming people, and paypal is trying to get money to pay off the money they had to pay CC companies when she was a seller, and theirfore calling it fraudlient funds. My grandparebnts live in WV(where she live) oinly about 30-40 mins away hmmmm

[shrike4242]

Does seem fishy for a thief to steal her CC # and have stuff sent to a confirmed address.

Or have the number be stolen 5 times? :roll:

I think a CC company would say something if someone's card was stolen more than once in a short enough period. Five times, I can't see why they'd keep her as a liability.

[bobthegoat2001]

Just an update. I just got the bad news from paypal that they retracted her money back. So she got my money and the game.

So I followed through and closed my accounts. Thanks ebay for the 3 years that I was a member and had to be ended like this!

It seems like paypal supports the thieves. As long as they get paid, they don't care.

I just hope they go out of business someday for not caring for the honest people.

[electrictroy]

You should call her every day at 3 a.m. until she returns the game.


troy

[8ballGuy]

Im probably going to get the same bad news, BUT i know where she lives and when I go to visit my grandparents this summer I will get my 50$ worth of damage out of her car or get my game back :)

[8ballGuy]

Just an update. I just got the bad news from paypal that they retracted her money back. So she got my money and the game.

So I followed through and closed my accounts. Thanks ebay for the 3 years that I was a member and had to be ended like this!

It seems like paypal supports the thieves. As long as they get paid, they don't care.

I just hope they go out of business someday for not caring for the honest people.

did you have ttracking or DC#?

Edit: NVM saw that you dident

[8ballGuy]

Just an update. I just got the bad news from paypal that they retracted her money back. So she got my money and the game.

So I followed through and closed my accounts. Thanks ebay for the 3 years that I was a member and had to be ended like this!

It seems like paypal supports the thieves. As long as they get paid, they don't care.

I just hope they go out of business someday for not caring for the honest people.

Okay since where dealing with the same person and they dident give you your funds. I already had her money of 45$ for over a month, and they just have it on hold and I got all my info including Tracking, how in the world will paypal be able to take that money from me LEGALLY?

[CGH]

I sold a game on Ebay last year, after a month I asked the buyer for positive feedback I left him positive fb first he left me a negative afterwards. A couple of months later I caught the mofo selling the game I sold him on Ebay. That soured the whole Ebay seller experience for me the PayPal fees didn't help. Then I started reading about the Ebay seller horror stories and decided I got off easy. Now I only use Ebay to buy stuff.

[electrictroy]

I sold a game on Ebay last year, after a month I asked the buyer for positive feedback I left him positive fb first he left me a negative afterwards. I don't give a buyer feedback, until he gives me feedback first. Sometimes that means I'll wait up to 6 months, before finally doing so. I've been screwed too many times by giving buyers a Pos, but then they turn around and give me a Neg that I didn't deserve.




I've got an annoying seller. I've emailed him ~10 times over the last 3 months, asking him to give me some positive feedback (to help boost my score), since I paid immediately with paypal.

Nothing.

Not even a reply to my emails. I'm tempted to give the guy negative, just because he's so poor with communication - "This buyer doesn't answer his emails - avoid."

troy

[jlarlee]

I don't give a buyer feedback, until he gives me feedback first. Sometimes that means I'll wait up to 6 months, before finally doing so. I've been screwed too many times by giving buyers a Pos, but then they turn around and give me a Neg that I didn't deserve.




I've got an annoying seller. I've emailed him ~10 times over the last 3 months, asking him to give me some positive feedback (to help boost my score), since I paid immediately with paypal.

Nothing.

Not even a reply to my emails. I'm tempted to give the guy negative, just because he's so poor with communication - "This buyer doesn't answer his emails - avoid."

troy

I think a neg for failure to leave feedback is excessive if the deal went ok he at least deserves a neutral

[wubb]

I don't give a buyer feedback, until he gives me feedback first. Sometimes that means I'll wait up to 6 months, before finally doing so. I've been screwed too many times by giving buyers a Pos, but then they turn around and give me a Neg that I didn't deserve.




I've got an annoying seller. I've emailed him ~10 times over the last 3 months, asking him to give me some positive feedback (to help boost my score), since I paid immediately with paypal.

Nothing.

Not even a reply to my emails. I'm tempted to give the guy negative, just because he's so poor with communication


Okay you don't give buyer's FB first, yet you expect a seller to give you FB first? See a problem there?

You should have just given him the + FB he deserved as a seller first. No seller is going to give a buyer anything but + FB (or no FB at all) after they pay quickly and leave + FB. Only exception would be a very rare case of leaving FB for the wrong buyer.

I think it's pretty disengenous to e-mail someone bugging them to give you FB when you haven't given them the same courtesy. If you don't want to leave FB first, that's your perrogative. It's optional (for both parties).

[weimerwanger]

Did anyone catch this negative feedback left for the scammer?
I WANT MY MONEY OR MY GAME, ADAM SANDLER WILL WIN ACADEMYAWARD BEFORE I C EITHER
XD
On the topic of damaging her car, FOCKIN DOIT MANG!
vigilante justice
Besides, she wont know which of the 40+ people she scammed did it.

[electrictroy]

Okay you don't give buyer's FB first, yet you expect a seller to give you FB first? See a problem there? Yes, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that he doesn't answer my emails. If I were him, I'd simply answer, "Thanks for contacting me. I will leave you positive feedback, right after you do the same for me. I do this to protect myself & my business." I've sent that message several times to my buyers.



But no. He's ignored every email I sent him. Even the first one that said, "I paid with paypal a few days ago. Have you mail the package?" That's poor customer service.

So the issue here is not really the feedback, but the non-communicative seller who never replies. Rude.
troy

[jjz203]

Yeh, I agree with weimerwanger, if you have her confirmed address and if she's still there, then why not pay a visit and show her that you "got the wrong address" hahahahaha. "Yeh um... that broken window and door was meant for someone else, sorry?" hahahahaha "Oh that's YOUR car?!?"

[weimerwanger]

^^ It'll be like those rooms in japan where you pay to break shit with a bat, only this time you're bustin her car for 42$.

[jlarlee]

Yes, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that he doesn't answer my emails. If I were him, I'd simply answer, "Thanks for contacting me. I will leave you positive feedback, right after you do the same for me. I do this to protect myself & my business." I've sent that message several times to my buyers.



But no. He's ignored every email I sent him. Even the first one that said, "I paid with paypal a few days ago. Have you mail the package?" That's poor customer service.

So the issue here is not really the feedback, but the non-communicative seller who never replies. Rude.
troy

If he communicated enough to do the deal he did his part I believe feedback is optional

[electrictroy]

Nah...

I'd rather break into her house & take back my game. Actually, I've heard of police opening homes, so Ebay sellers could reclaim unpaid merchandise.

troy

[Archgarth]

Nah...

I'd rather break into her house & take back my game. Actually, I've heard of police opening homes, so Ebay sellers could reclaim unpaid merchandise.

troy

Technically, as she does have stolen goods (seeing as how she never paid for them) I would contact the police.

Maybe there is enough fraud going on to start a fraud case against her.

Paypal's actions in this matter are abhorrent, I can't believe a company with proof of guilt is siding with the guilty party. I'd check with your bank about this, and see what fraud protection they have. About a year ago I tried to set up webhosting with a provider that never responded to my e-mails. I filed a claim with my bank and got all my money back. It couldn't hurt.

[adamsappel]

Sounds like PayPal/eBay could be heading for another class-action lawsuit.

[electrictroy]

What ever happened to the *last* class action? I mailed in my form, and received nothing from paypal. (No surprise there)

troy

[wubb]

Yes, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that he doesn't answer my emails. If I were him, I'd simply answer, "Thanks for contacting me. I will leave you positive feedback, right after you do the same for me. I do this to protect myself & my business." I've sent that message several times to my buyers.



But no. He's ignored every email I sent him. Even the first one that said, "I paid with paypal a few days ago. Have you mail the package?" That's poor customer service.

So the issue here is not really the feedback, but the non-communicative seller who never replies. Rude.
troy

Ah okay, that makes a little more sense. Definitely agree that it's pretty poor to not let the buyer know when the item ships, especially if they actually e-mail to ask. Was it a big power seller who's too busy or a medium to small timer who's just too lazy :)

I used to e-mail everyone manually, but now PayPal shipping takes care of that for me. (Though I also send a personal e-mail to anyone that asks me to let them know when their stuff ships.)

[chosen1s]

Dude,

Don't go vigilante. It's like with sports - the one who retailiates always is the one who gets nailed - even though the first person is the one who deserved it. Not to mention it's just not right.

Please, if you are going to go postal and do something epic, email some of her past negs, get some people (or at least their stories and inventory stolen) together, and TAKE IT ALL TO THE COPS WHEN YOU GET TO TOWN. MAKE A HUGE EXAMPLE OUT OF HER AND THEN CALL THE NEWSPAPERS.

Then come back and post what happened here. Wouldn't it be all the more satisfying to watch the cops kick in her door and haul her off in handcuffs while you go in and reclaim all your stolen merchandise? Just have solid records when you go to the cops and then come back here and let us all know what happened.

[electrictroy]

Was it a big power seller who's too busy or a medium to small timer who's just too lazy :)
The latter. Only 6 feedbacks.

troy

[greendj27]

I see she is no longer a registered user. Looks like she is trying to take the money and run.

[8ballGuy]

Dude,

Don't go vigilante. It's like with sports - the one who retailiates always is the one who gets nailed - even though the first person is the one who deserved it. Not to mention it's just not right.

Please, if you are going to go postal and do something epic, email some of her past negs, get some people (or at least their stories and inventory stolen) together, and TAKE IT ALL TO THE COPS WHEN YOU GET TO TOWN. MAKE A HUGE EXAMPLE OUT OF HER AND THEN CALL THE NEWSPAPERS.

Then come back and post what happened here. Wouldn't it be all the more satisfying to watch the cops kick in her door and haul her off in handcuffs while you go in and reclaim all your stolen merchandise? Just have solid records when you go to the cops and then come back here and let us all know what happened.

Great idea, BUT I need to let out some aggresion, Porn in her mail sounds like a good idea to me, bust a headlight and then carve "Jesus is coming" on the side of her car. If she has a shitty car, I will just push it down the hill or something. But yes I am planning to visit the grandparents in late june

[MrSneis]

50 bucks.. meh.

I bought brakes from this assclown in New York back in March, paid him nearly 300 dollars after the shipping amt through paypal.

He promised to send them right away, well he went on vacation and decided to have a friend do it... they never got sent.

When he returned he promised to send them, they were sent, too bad he was too stupid to write my address down right, or even HIS OWN address down right, it took me a ton of calls back and forth to FedEx just to get the fooking brakes BACK in his possession.

He promises to get them out again ASAP.

I called him about 50 times of those 50 times he answered my calls maybe 5 times, everytime he'd give me the same bullshit excuses "im in college last year busy blah blah I'm a gay queer gonna get em out blah blah blah".

Well here it is END OF MAY, still nothing. Paypal can do nothing for me, I'm seriously going to FLY out there and do some serious damage in about a month. So 50 bucks really does suck, but I'm talking 300 bucks here, god I hate dishonest New Yorkers.

[Death2Sanity]

You know, I felt really, really bad for you people who got ripped off, up until you started talking about how 'I HAVE to get rid of some aggression.'

Sure, the asshats ripping you off deserve it. But you deserve what you'll get too for pulling a stunt like that, too.

[chosen1s]

Great idea, BUT I need to let out some aggresion, Porn in her mail sounds like a good idea to me, bust a headlight and then carve "Jesus is coming" on the side of her car. If she has a shitty car, I will just push it down the hill or something. But yes I am planning to visit the grandparents in late june


Ok...but you realize that if you do anything at all to her...and then go to the cops to report her...do they sell big red and white targets at Wal-Mart that you can wear on your back? Or how about a big T-Shirt that says "I did it!" across the chest?

I understand your frustration (believe me! I had a guy do the same thing to me). But man - get your satisfaction from putting her in a miserable place where there is no sunlight (prison) or at least scaring the life out of her with search warrants, cops, etc. Attacking her or her stuff directly is just going to get you screwed even more.

[8ballGuy]

Ok...but you realize that if you do anything at all to her...and then go to the cops to report her...do they sell big red and white targets at Wal-Mart that you can wear on your back? Or how about a big T-Shirt that says "I did it!" across the chest?

I understand your frustration (believe me! I had a guy do the same thing to me). But man - get your satisfaction from putting her in a miserable place where there is no sunlight (prison) or at least scaring the life out of her with search warrants, cops, etc. Attacking her or her stuff directly is just going to get you screwed even more.

i was not really going to do anything that would have me suffer bigger punishment then her. I would go to her house and tell her I need my item back or the cash, one or the two and I will not leave her front porch until I get whats rightfully mine. Mail fraud NEVER works well not in my case, where another guy schemed me.

[bobthegoat2001]

When I sent the request to close my ebay account I got an email today of them atually trying to help me out. Maybe there not so bad after all.

They sent me a lot of information of what I can do. I thought I'd also pass it along for anybody else here that got ripped off too.

Hopefully she'll get caught.

Here's the information:

"1. Contact law enforcement in the area where this buyer lives to let
them know of this activity. Be sure to be as specific as possible,
including names, addresses, phone numbers, or any other information that
you may have about this user. If a detective is assigned to your case,
please ask them to contact us so that we can assist them with their
investigation.

To find the name of a local law enforcement officer that can help you,
please refer to the following link:

http://www.usacops.com/

If you contact a law enforcement officer, please let the officer know
that eBay would be pleased to cooperate in an investigation and ask the
officer to contact us. He or she can contact us by using the "report
information to eBay" link on the following page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-ebays-role.html

2. Consider filing a complaint with the Internet Fraud Complaint Center
(IFCC). The IFCC is partnership between the Federal Bureau of
Investigation and the National White Collar Crime Center. The IFCC will
review and evaluate complaints and refer information to the appropriate
local, state, or federal agency. Every complaint that is referred by the
IFCC is sent to one or more law enforcement or regulatory agencies that
have jurisdiction over that matter. You can file a complaint with the
IFCC at:

http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

5. If the item was sent through the United States Postal Service, you
can also file a mail fraud complaint. Instructions for filing a mail
fraud complaint can be found at:

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud

6. You can file for a credit of your Final Value Fees by following the
steps below, provided it has not been 45 days or more since the auction
ended.

a. Click on the "My eBay" link located at the top of any eBay page. You
may be asked to sign in.

b. Under the "Related Links" section on the left side of the page, click
on the "Dispute Console" link.

c. On your dispute console, click on the "View" link next to the item
you wish to close.
**IMPORTANT: Please ensure that there is a check mark indicating that
the item is eligible for credit. If you close the dispute that is not
yet eligible for credit, you will not receive a credit**

d. On the dispute page, click on "Close Dispute," and select the reason
you are closing the dispute."

[wubb]

Nice links. Some if not all of them would be good things for shrike to put in the official trading forum guidelines he's working on.

[permablue]

Refund baby!!! Paid in full by paypal... there's a first for everything. My guess is that they'll be more of these to come. *Takes a shot in recognition of the biotch's wrecked credit and thousands of dollars of debt*

[buffdrew84]

If you look at the negative feedbacks and add up the price for all of the auctions she collected on and didnt ship for the past month alone, this chick is up over 1500 dollars!!! She has got a slick little scam going on here. I feel for the OP but you should of checked that shit out before you fell for her fucking scam. Anyway fuck her and i hope you get reimbersed.

[help1]

ebay is not cool no more.

[crazyboxer12]

She must really want that $42 back really bad if she's willing to go through all the trouble to get it back

[electrictroy]

Here's what you do if you're a really smart scam artist:
- Spend time (say 1 year) building up a 99% or 100% reputation selling games & other stuff
- Then go on a spending spree. Sellers trust you because you've got a good reputation. Have them send the game to a neutral location, like a hotel or work.

- Don't pay. Collect the goods, and then disappear from your job or hotel.



I could pull this scam right now. I've got ~4 weeks left on my job/hotel. It would be extremely easy to send the games to my work/hotel address, and then leave. I'd be off in another state, on a new job, and un-traceable.

troy

[greendj27]

Here's what you do if you're a really smart scam artist:
- Spend time (say 1 year) building up a 99% or 100% reputation selling games & other stuff
- Then go on a spending spree. Sellers trust you because you've got a good reputation. Have them send the game to a neutral location, like a hotel or work.

- Don't pay. Collect the goods, and then disappear from your job or hotel.



I could pull this scam right now. I've got ~4 weeks left on my job/hotel. It would be extremely easy to send the games to my work/hotel address, and then leave. I'd be off in another state, on a new job, and un-traceable.

troy

Ahh, but you would need to use a credit card to get the hotel room. They could find you from that. :lol:

[doraemonkerpal]

also, most hotels have security cameras. you might be on tape taking those packages, signing for them, etc. if you were to steal thousands of dollars on ebay and had them ship it to that hotel, i would definitely be looking at all the vhs tapes to see who was receiving them (if i were the investigating officer of that case).

[wubb]

If you're planning to have the eBay sellers ship before you pay them anything, I really don't see very many going for that no matter what your feedback.

[8ballGuy]

wow been 2 weeks and paypal still Investigating. Weird because its pretty clear, I sent item(proof of Delivery), she left positive feedback, item said delivered. What are they investigating over their?

[zionoverfire]

wow been 2 weeks and paypal still Investigating. Weird because its pretty clear, I sent item(proof of Delivery), she left positive feedback, item said delivered. What are they investigating over their?

If any funds remain in her account, but of course it will be dry.

Basically they are waiting to deliver you the bad news hoping you won't be as pissed off.