We're Taking Over!!!

[pumbaa]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050609/D8AK5DB00.html

Coolness.

[Matt Young]

That's certainly not news down here. 90% of my friends and both girlfriends I've had since moving to California are hispanic.

[Scorch]

in Antioch, TN, there's a ton of hispanic guys.. they actually overthrew the black population, which I thought would never happen. They've actually made it a (sorta) safer place to live by running gangs out of the area.

[integralsmatic]

that happend in my high school...the hispanic community out populated the white community..when i had lunch 3/4 of the cafeteria were speaking spanish

[RedvsBlue]

As long as you bring hot girls, I don't care.

[Chris in Cali]

I live in So Cal, and I still haven't hooked-up with a mexican chick. It's like I'm cursed (or blessed depending on how you look at it) with white girls.

[Kayden]

that happend in my high school...the hispanic community out populated the white community..when i had lunch 3/4 of the cafeteria were speaking spanish

Thats just wrong. :bomb:

[FriskyTanuki]

:x They've already taken this area...

[DT778]

:x They've already taken this area...
Hell no. I've been to tempe. Nothing but white people.

[kaji7p56]

in Antioch, TN, there's a ton of hispanic guys.. they actually overthrew the black population, which I thought would never happen. They've actually made it a (sorta) safer place to live by running gangs out of the area.

Just wait till they start their own gangs. :cry: I hate gangs.

I'm Hispanic by the way, so don't think I'm being racist.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Yes, yes we are. 8-)

[FriskyTanuki]

Hell no. I've been to tempe. Nothing but white people.
How recently, it's got to be about 50/50 from what I've seen in the past 9 months or so.

[pumbaa]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

[Kayden]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

That sounds like something a Mexican would say! :lol:

[Fat_Black_Transvestite]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

Puerto Rican Day Parade in NYC Sunday hermano PUERTO RICO AYYY:bouncy:

[Graystone]

I am trying to learn spanish myself, not because of the OP but cause I want to. I think it will be cool to speak another language.

[DT778]

How recently, it's got to be about 50/50 from what I've seen in the past 9 months or so.
Last summer. and your in AZ, so they aint taking over, they are just taking some of it back.

[Saucy Jack]

(creepy computerized announcer voice):

L.... W.... O....

[FriskyTanuki]

Last summer. and your in AZ, so they aint taking over, they are just taking some of it back.
I guess those Minutemen are doing a great job. :D There's still a bunch here, as I see them all the time.

[kaji7p56]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

It's easy for people to lump many similar races together. That way they don't have to learn what country you are from. Also, I think it's because we all speak Spanish (thanks to the Conquistadors).

[Saucy Jack]

I am trying to learn spanish myself, not because of the OP but cause I want to. I think it will be cool to speak another language.

You picked a good one to learn. I believe that Spanish is the easiest of all the languages to learn. Swedish was the toughest ranked, I believe.

[Kayden]

Theres a ton of Ethiopians in the cities here... 1/7 of them understand basic english. 1/15th of the can actually speak to you without you needing to go "huh? What?"

[humidore]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

On a similar note, are "Chicanos" only from Mexico? I never understood exactly what that meant...Mexican-American?

In 10-20 years, it'll be interesting in California (and other states with growing Hispanic communities)....The majority of Hispanic women I see walking around are either pregnant, pushing a stroller (sometimes with kids also walking with them), or both. I never liked having 4 "Ryan"'s in my classes growing up, and it seems our kids will have 4 "Carlos"'s instead i guess :) . At least more people will care about soccer here then :bouncy:

[jaykrue]

Don't forget about us asians. California is 'Little Asia' according to my LA relatives.

[DT778]

On a similar note, are "Chicanos" only from Mexico? I never understood exactly what that meant...Mexican-American?.
fucken askjeves it

[pumbaa]

On a similar note, are "Chicanos" only from Mexico? I never understood exactly what that meant...Mexican-American?

In 10-20 years, it'll be interesting in California (and other states with growing Hispanic communities)....The majority of Hispanic women I see walking around are either pregnant, pushing a stroller (sometimes with kids also walking with them), or both. I never liked having 4 "Ryan"'s in my classes growing up, and it seems our kids will have 4 "Carlos"'s instead i guess :) . At least more people will care about soccer here then :bouncy:

I;m not sure... there aren't many Mexicans around South Florida... I think chicanos are a specific subset of Mexicans though... I could be wrong.

[DT778]

Don't forget about us asians. California is 'Little Asia' according to my LA relatives.
http://www.salud-chicano.co.jp/shopping/images/8.jpg

[DT778]

A Chicano is a person of Mexican descent born in the United States

[jaykrue]

http://www.salud-chicano.co.jp/shopping/images/8.jpg

Sadly you've just shown me a picture of my cousins. :cry: I just wanna backhand them and say, 'Bitch, get your act together and go to school! Now gimme that baby-9 before you shoot your head off!'

[Graystone]

That sounds like something a Mexican would say! :lol:


that is wrong? yes

[alonzomourning23]

Don't forget about us asians. California is 'Little Asia' according to my LA relatives.

Toronto was about 30% asian (out of 2.5 million total, I think around 15% of the total population was chinese) and markham (a city on the north border of toronto) was, I believe, slightly over 50% (the total population is a quarter of a million).

[anonymouswhoami]

Just wait till they start their own gangs. :cry: I hate gangs.

I'm Hispanic by the way, so don't think I'm being racist.

What do you mean when? Hispanic gangs, like the Mara Salvatrucha, are some of the most violent and well organized crime rings in the U.S. The Salvadoran gangs exist not only in urban areas like Los Angeles, but rural places like North Carolina and Nebraska.

[kaji7p56]

What do you mean when? Hispanic gangs, like the Mara Salvatrucha, are some of the most violent and well organized crime rings in the U.S. The Salvadoran gangs exist not only in urban areas like Los Angeles, but rural places like North Carolina and Nebraska.

Well his original post said that the Hispanics ran off the Black gangs. That made the neighborhood a safer place (said Scorch). Then I said "Wait till they start their own gangs" meaning HIS neighborhood. It's safer now but may become worse in the years to come.

Get it? I think I was clear the first time.

[camoor]

As long as you bring hot girls, I don't care.

Indeed. Most hispanic girls have the GREAT ASS [/pacino]

Seriously though, don't get fat like everyone else who comes here and cannot resist the skittles ads. The last thing we need is another influx of fattie-bom-ba-latties.

[SkyGheNe]

You picked a good one to learn. I believe that Spanish is the easiest of all the languages to learn. Swedish was the toughest ranked, I believe.

Try japanese. You'll end up castrating yourself.

Anyway - in the North East there aren't too many hispanics. I'm half Mexican but don't look like it. I look more German/Hungarian if anything.

The only thing is - if people are going to live in the U.S. I hope they learn the language. I hate all of these signs that put English...and then spanish...and then french chinese japanese...etc.

Learn the language if you want to live in the country.

Also, in regards to hispanics running out black gangs...the greatest population in prison right now? Hispanic.

[Quillion]

The "Los Magnificos" are taking over, now that Antwan Mitchell is in prison.

[Javery]

I saw a hispanic once.

[Quillion]

I saw a hispanic once.

Yeah, they're pretty short. Sometimes you can miss them if you just glance in their direction. Like elves.

[Kayden]

Try japanese. You'll end up castrating yourself.

Anyway - in the North East there aren't too many hispanics. I'm half Mexican but don't look like it. I look more German/Hungarian if anything.

The only thing is - if people are going to live in the U.S. I hope they learn the language. I hate all of these signs that put English...and then spanish...and then french chinese japanese...etc.

Learn the language if you want to live in the country.

Also, in regards to hispanics running out black gangs...the greatest population in prison right now? Hispanic.

Careful, I once spoke of commonsense as you and I was labled a bigot that didn't care about the plight of third world nations. :roll:

[Apossum]

I thought they already took over.

[mykevermin]

For the uninformed... Hispanic doesnt equal Mexican. I, for example, and Puerto-Rican Cuban. NOT Mexican... but STILL Hispanic. Carry on.

Of course.

Now, since Hispanics have become the largest minority group in the United States, perhaps those lazy fuckers at the Census Bureau can figure out a better way to identify Hispanics. At the moment, Hispanic is considered an ethnicity, and so it isn't listed on the Census question about race. Instead, it's a separate question, in order to accomodate both "white" and "black" hispanics. The problems in that kind of classification are pretty evident, to me anyway.

myke.

[Kayden]

More importantly... perhaps they'll stop calling them a minority?

[howlinmad]

Try japanese. You'll end up castrating yourself.

Anyway - in the North East there aren't too many hispanics. I'm half Mexican but don't look like it. I look more German/Hungarian if anything.

The only thing is - if people are going to live in the U.S. I hope they learn the language. I hate all of these signs that put English...and then spanish...and then french chinese japanese...etc.

Learn the language if you want to live in the country.



No doubt. We were not the first people here, but the majority speak english, I'm expected to adapt and learn another language? Why do 80% of the signs here in Memphis either reflect several languages, or completely in Spanish with NO translation?

If I say anything, I'm racist. I'm not anti-cultural difference, I'm just anti BS.
Then again, Memphis is about one of the most fucked up, racially divided cities I can think of. We have city officials explaining on camera there is no way they could be racist because of their skin color.

[MaxBiaggi2]

We're taking over!!!

In the immortal words of Tonto, "What do you me 'we,' white man?" :D

[danny-o]

in Antioch, TN, there's a ton of hispanic guys.. they actually overthrew the black population, which I thought would never happen. They've actually made it a (sorta) safer place to live by running gangs out of the area.

Black gangs go out. spanish ones come in. its a sad but true fact.

BTW the topic came off as racist to me.

[camoor]

Wait a minute - Hispanics are mostly conservative christians right? Mi Avocat and all that. Awwww F

(Man those Asians need to start boosting their numbers...)

[pumbaa]

In the immortal words of Tonto, "What do you me 'we,' white man?" :D

I'm HISPANIC!

[Kayden]

I'm HISPANIC!

You look like a white Scot in drag to me... :lol:

[pumbaa]

Try japanese. You'll end up castrating yourself.

Anyway - in the North East there aren't too many hispanics. I'm half Mexican but don't look like it. I look more German/Hungarian if anything.

The only thing is - if people are going to live in the U.S. I hope they learn the language. I hate all of these signs that put English...and then spanish...and then french chinese japanese...etc.

Learn the language if you want to live in the country.

Also, in regards to hispanics running out black gangs...the greatest population in prison right now? Hispanic.

Here's the deal... I had this conversation with many a people and this is the logic behind most spanish people who don't speak english fluently.

Most hispanics have come here in groups and moved into Spanish communities, they live, work, and buy their products in spanish neighborhoods and have NO NEED to learn English. It's not a matter of disrespecting American culture, cultural cockiness, trying to take over the country, or laziness... its simply a matter not being EXPOSED to enough English to try to have to learn it. American culture is bending towards these communities... simply because we (Hispanics) are growing so quickly...

For example, in Miami the main grocer here (Publix) has been opening a chain called "Sabor by Publix". It's aimed at the hispanic community here... no one else. In this grocery store they probably speak spanish and have bilingual lables (or just spanish labels) here. AGAIN... no need to learn the language...

Also remember that these are among the first generations of hispanics here that you are seeing. Look at some older hispanic generations... my Grandparents came here from Puerto Rico and raised their children here... my parents. My parents were BORN in America, learned English from school and Spanish from their parents and met and had me. I know enough Spanish to speak with my grandparents... but I wouldnt call myself fluent. I'm sure my kids will speak even LESS Spanish. Hispanics will get "Americanize" over time... but you've also got to realize that America is going to have to change as well to accomidate this large incoming flux of people.

ALSO realize that under the only thing that makes us "hispanics" united is our language... this is why we are so "large". Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Colombians, Ecuadorians... we ALL have very distinct cultures... as distinct as European cultures...

Carry on. ;)

[howlinmad]

Most hispanics have come here in groups and moved into Spanish communities, they live, work, and buy their products in spanish neighborhoods and have NO NEED to learn English.

No disrespect intended, but that's a sorry excuse. When I go into a store, and the lady/guy behind the counter has to work on the language barrier for an extra 10 to 15 minutes because the customer has no idea what they are saying and vice versa, the customer is frustrated....that's not the business bending, that's EXPECTING english speaking people to bend. When you see a child, their mother and father appear to speak better english than most American people who have been here all their life, and they speak to the child in Spanish, the child speaks back in Spanish, how does that make sense? Why aren't they teaching their child to speak English?

When I have to have more information in order for my driver's license and car, for example, than someone who is actually here illegally....well, that's the dumb ass government bending.

With the logic of that's what they are exposed to is kinda like me going to someone's house and sitting on their couch, watching TV in my underwear, eatting Cheetos and getting orange balls. Hey, if that's the way it is at home, surely that's what's accepted everywhere right? (to clarify, I really don't do that, I don't eat Cheetos much.)

I don't have some supreme theory that only some cultures and races *belong* here, far from it. I also don't have some Archie Bunker approach to life. I really don't care if you are white, black, orange, yellow, pink, blue, Hispanic, Chineese, Jewish, martian, etc.

I just expect to be treated like I still belong.

[kaji7p56]

No disrespect intended, but that's a sorry excuse. When I go into a store, and the lady/guy behind the counter has to work on the language barrier for an extra 10 to 15 minutes because the customer has no idea what they are saying and vice versa, the customer is frustrated....that's not the business bending, that's EXPECTING english speaking people to bend. When you see a child, their mother and father appear to speak better english than most American people who have been here all their life, and they speak to the child in Spanish, the child speaks back in Spanish, how does that make sense? Why aren't they teaching their child to speak English?

When I have to have more information in order for my driver's license and car, for example, than someone who is actually here illegally....well, that's the dumb ass government bending.

With the logic of that's what they are exposed to is kinda like me going to someone's house and sitting on their couch, watching TV in my underwear, eatting Cheetos and getting orange balls. Hey, if that's the way it is at home, surely that's what's accepted everywhere right? (to clarify, I really don't do that, I don't eat Cheetos much.)

I don't have some supreme theory that only some cultures and races *belong* here, far from it. I also don't have some Archie Bunker approach to life. I really don't care if you are white, black, orange, yellow, pink, blue, Hispanic, Chineese, Jewish, martian, etc.

I just expect to be treated like I still belong.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. If you don't need to know the language to get by in your day-to-day life then you won't learn it. When I go to Koreatown to buy some kimpop (or is it kimbob?) some of the people don't know English but I don't care. White people seem to have this notion that America belongs to them and anyone coming here has to play by their rules. That's Bullshit. If I go to Japan and live in an American community that speaks English, then guess what? I ain't learning Japanese! Land belongs to someone only until they get killed by someone else. The Explorers killed off the Native Americans because they could. Many of the countries in Europe aren't populated by indigenous people. The people that live there now killed the people that lived there before who killed the people lived there before THEM and so on. My point is that a country does not belong to the people that are there now. They are only living on the land until someone stronger comes along and takes it from them.

Who knows, in 200 years some other people may have taken over this country, and they'll think that THEY own it.

[howlinmad]

*edited*

Not even going to get into this.

[kaji7p56]

No, what's bullshit is you group all white people like that.

EDIT -- I get it. It would have been easier to read if it was: "No, what's bullshit is that you group all white people like that".

AND YES ALL WHITES ARE KILLERS AND RACISTS!!!!

just kidding.

I'm not grouping all white people just like you arent grouping all hispanics or foreigners with not knowing the language since MANY of them do.

[Apossum]

There's no reason why immigrants shouldn't learn at least a little bit of the language of the country they live in, if for anything, than for the fact that they will eventually have to communicate with the natives. Just seems like common sense.



For one thing, working with hispanics who hardly know any english is one of the most frustrating things I've had to deal with. who gets the shaft when a miscommunication happens? the racist white guy, of course. Now when I apply somewhere, I make sure the majority of the staff isn't hispanic, cause it's just bullshit that people who hardly know english will come to work in english speaking neighborhoods. anyone who wants to step up to the plate and call me out as an ethnocentric american for saying that is more than welcome to.

of course, to keep it fair, that goes for ANYBODY who immigrates...unless they have a community that requires no english whatsoever and they get their tax papers and all their gov't forms in their native language.

[kaji7p56]

There's no reason why immigrants shouldn't learn at least a little bit of the language of the country they live in, if for anything, than for the fact that they will eventually have to communicate with the natives. Just seems like common sense.



For one thing, working with hispanics who hardly know any english is one of the most frustrating things I've had to deal with. who gets the shaft when a miscommunication happens? the racist white guy, of course. Now when I apply somewhere, I make sure the majority of the staff isn't hispanic, cause it's just bullshit that people who hardly know english will come to work in english speaking neighborhoods. anyone who wants to step up to the plate and call me out as an ethnocentric american for saying that is more than welcome to.

You are right. If a hispanic wants to work somewhere that requires use of the English language, then HE should learn it.

What I meant is people who work in their own neighboorhood and do not use English at all do not need to learn it.

[pumbaa]

No disrespect intended, but that's a sorry excuse. When I go into a store, and the lady/guy behind the counter has to work on the language barrier for an extra 10 to 15 minutes because the customer has no idea what they are saying and vice versa, the customer is frustrated....that's not the business bending, that's EXPECTING english speaking people to bend. When you see a child, their mother and father appear to speak better english than most American people who have been here all their life, and they speak to the child in Spanish, the child speaks back in Spanish, how does that make sense? Why aren't they teaching their child to speak English?

When I have to have more information in order for my driver's license and car, for example, than someone who is actually here illegally....well, that's the dumb ass government bending.

With the logic of that's what they are exposed to is kinda like me going to someone's house and sitting on their couch, watching TV in my underwear, eatting Cheetos and getting orange balls. Hey, if that's the way it is at home, surely that's what's accepted everywhere right? (to clarify, I really don't do that, I don't eat Cheetos much.)

I don't have some supreme theory that only some cultures and races *belong* here, far from it. I also don't have some Archie Bunker approach to life. I really don't care if you are white, black, orange, yellow, pink, blue, Hispanic, Chineese, Jewish, martian, etc.

I just expect to be treated like I still belong.

I agree with you that people working with the public NEED to know English... if the community with which they serve speaks English. BUT I also think that if you work in Hialeah, FL (one of the most hispanic cities in South Florida) you SHOULD know Spanish. It's all about the comunity the business serves.

And youre metaphor doesn't accurately describe the situation. Its NOT laziness. It's more akin to you going to someones house and them making you FEEL at home so that you just sit down a chill by yourself... America is offering cocktails, offering the television, and saying essentially "Mi casa es su casa"... in SPANISH... because the communities for that are set up.

I say once again, take a Spanish speaking family and stick them in Topeka... they'll sure as HELL learn enough English to get by... and their KIDS will for SURE know English because the school system has programs to teach it.

The difference between us and the early NY immigrants is that WE have numbers... there are so many of us that we can form these communities and not have to learn English. The NY immigrants didnt have that common language bond.

[howlinmad]

I don't get it. Is the "you" supposed to be "your". I'm not kidding, I don't understand your sentence. Please clarify.

No, you don't get it.

I'm talking about a language barrier, you're talking about an entire race thinking a way that is complete BS.

*edited*
And I am also obviously not talking about ALL hispanics since MANY of them do infact speak very fluent Spanish AND English.

[pumbaa]

Maybe we should move this to the Vs. thread? Originally it wasn't intended that way... but I AM enjoying this discussion... its only through this type of level-headed discussion that we learn anything about anyone.

[Apossum]

You are right. If a hispanic wants to work somewhere that requires use of the English language, then HE should learn it.

What I meant is people who work in their own neighboorhood and do not use English at all do not need to learn it.


right. on a sidenote, it doesn't seem possible to exist in a total vacuum anywhere.

[kaji7p56]

No, you don't get it.

I'm talking about a language barrier, you're talking about an entire race thinking a way that is complete BS.

I edited my post if you want to check it, but I'll repeat what I said.

I wasn't grouping all whites together just like you weren't grouping all hispanics or foreigners together. Or were you?

[Apossum]

I wonder if they get their tax forms and all that stuff in spanish?

[kaji7p56]

right. on a sidenote, it doesn't seem possible to exist in a total vacuum anywhere.

Not a TOTAL vacuum, but many people including Hispanics and Koreans have parts of the city that make you wonder if you are still in the US. The only people who know the language in those places is the children who were raised here.

[Admiral Ackbar]

It's cool that my fellow hispanics are rising in societal importance.

<------

Oh wait, It's a trap!

[howlinmad]

I edited my post if you want to check it, but I'll repeat what I said.

I wasn't grouping all whites together just like you weren't grouping all hispanics or foreigners together. Or were you?

I edited my post if you want to check it, but I'll repeat what I said. :)

I'm talking about a language barrier, you're talking about an entire race thinking a way that is complete BS.

*edited*
And I am also obviously not talking about ALL hispanics, since you are very much correct, MANY of them do infact speak very fluent Spanish AND English.

[kaji7p56]

Maybe we should move this to the Vs. thread? Originally it wasn't intended that way... but I AM enjoying this discussion... its only through this type of level-headed discussion that we learn anything about anyone.

With a title like "Were taking over!" you have to expect that it will cause a bit of commotion. It sounds adversarial, so I guess it belongs in the "vs." forum.

[kaji7p56]

I edited my post if you want to check it, but I'll repeat what I said. :)

I'm talking about a language barrier, you're talking about an entire race thinking a way that is complete BS.

*edited*
And I am also obviously not talking about ALL hispanics, since you are very much correct, MANY of them do infact speak very fluent Spanish AND English.

I'm glad it was cleared up.

On a side note, I speak waaaay better English than I do Spanish. English is what's for dinner. Damn MTV. :lol:

[topplehat]

I live in Texas, and in this city they outnumber any other ethnicity (including whites).

[Nirvanaguy777]

Dey Took R Jobs, Derka Derk.

[howlinmad]

I'm glad it was cleared up.

On a side note, I speak waaaay better English than I do Spanish. English is what's for dinner. Damn MTV. :lol:

Hey, didn't mean any ill will. It's all good. Discussion is good for the soul. :)

[howlinmad]

With a title like "Were taking over!" you have to expect that it will cause a bit of commotion. It sounds adversarial, so I guess it belongs in the "vs." forum.

Actually, I went into this thread thinking game companies were getting pissed because we didn't pay full price for their overpriced games anymore. :)

[kaji7p56]

Actually, I went into this thread thinking game companies were getting pissed because we didn't pay full price for their overpriced games anymore. :)

That is also true. Although in my case, I don't buy games at all. I guess I grew out of it.

[DT778]

United States doesnt have an official language. If you go to places that only have spanish speaking people than you should make the effort to learn the language, as should they. People are only going to learn what they need to learn. If people can manage to live without the need for another language then they aint going to learn it. It would sometimes be harder for them, but if they can still manage without speaking the other language then they will be fine.

[Quillion]

There may be communities that speak primarily or exclusively spanish. I think it's great that some companies are catering to spanish speaking immigrants. (As long as they got here legally)

However, to believe that said communites are in an abolutely contained English vacuum is a misconception. Would it not be rude if I moved to Mexico and expected everyone there to learn English to cater to me? Move to England and expect everyone to drive on the right side of the road, because that is how I learned it?

Look at Canada. An example of a nation without an official language, and a large portion of the population speaks a different language than the majority. Look how well they're staying together. Every few years they put a secession option up for vote.

[Samurai X]

So where are all the blacks going ( just wondering ) !

[Saucy Jack]

I have no problem with people who come to this country and they are trying to learn English. English is a tough language, especially when it isn't your first. I have no problem with someone struggling in English if they are honestly trying to learn the language. Hell, we all spoke that way when we were little and learning English.

If you come here and expect everyone else to speak YOUR language, then there is definitely something wrong. Like many of you said, I shouldn't go to another country and expect them to speak how I speak and do things the way I do.

For example, there was this store near my house, and a friend of ours ran it with his family. They came from South Korea, and our friend was attending college while he wasn't working at the store. He was becoming an accountant, and also took several English classes. He said, "I want to live here in the States, so I want to speak the language well." He did become an accountant, and is doing pretty well now. :)

[evilmojo12542]

just goes to prove my point that whites are the minority. Hell most of my neighborhhod is either black/or hispanic. Most of the hispanic's are not even legal yet they get free health care here plus jobs. something is wrong with that in my opinion

[SkyGheNe]

Here's the deal... I had this conversation with many a people and this is the logic behind most spanish people who don't speak english fluently.

Most hispanics have come here in groups and moved into Spanish communities, they live, work, and buy their products in spanish neighborhoods and have NO NEED to learn English. It's not a matter of disrespecting American culture, cultural cockiness, trying to take over the country, or laziness... its simply a matter not being EXPOSED to enough English to try to have to learn it. American culture is bending towards these communities... simply because we (Hispanics) are growing so quickly...

For example, in Miami the main grocer here (Publix) has been opening a chain called "Sabor by Publix". It's aimed at the hispanic community here... no one else. In this grocery store they probably speak spanish and have bilingual lables (or just spanish labels) here. AGAIN... no need to learn the language...

Also remember that these are among the first generations of hispanics here that you are seeing. Look at some older hispanic generations... my Grandparents came here from Puerto Rico and raised their children here... my parents. My parents were BORN in America, learned English from school and Spanish from their parents and met and had me. I know enough Spanish to speak with my grandparents... but I wouldnt call myself fluent. I'm sure my kids will speak even LESS Spanish. Hispanics will get "Americanize" over time... but you've also got to realize that America is going to have to change as well to accomidate this large incoming flux of people.

ALSO realize that under the only thing that makes us "hispanics" united is our language... this is why we are so "large". Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Colombians, Ecuadorians... we ALL have very distinct cultures... as distinct as European cultures...

Carry on. ;)

When a hispanic child goes to school - an American school - I'm pretty sure they need to speak english. If they want a good job - They're going to have to learn how to speak it. If I walk into a store to order food - I will never do it in spanish.

My father is Mexican. My mother was an exchange student and fell in love with him when she was down there - had my brother and sis - decided that Mexico was not the place to raise children - and then moved back to America and had me. Luckily, most mexicans already speak english due to trade/american television (a majority of their channels are in English). Personally, I speak enough spanish to talk to my relatives.

If all of my relatives in Mexico and Spain can speak fluent English but have NEVER lived in the United States - I don't see why there is a problem for immigrants to learn English. Commercial markets aren't an excuse for the linguistic fragmentation of our country.

[SkyGheNe]

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. If you don't need to know the language to get by in your day-to-day life then you won't learn it. When I go to Koreatown to buy some kimpop (or is it kimbob?) some of the people don't know English but I don't care. White people seem to have this notion that America belongs to them and anyone coming here has to play by their rules. That's Bullshit. If I go to Japan and live in an American community that speaks English, then guess what? I ain't learning Japanese! Land belongs to someone only until they get killed by someone else. The Explorers killed off the Native Americans because they could. Many of the countries in Europe aren't populated by indigenous people. The people that live there now killed the people that lived there before who killed the people lived there before THEM and so on. My point is that a country does not belong to the people that are there now. They are only living on the land until someone stronger comes along and takes it from them.

Who knows, in 200 years some other people may have taken over this country, and they'll think that THEY own it.

I'm sorry - but I can confidently say that 80% or more of Japan speaks Japanese fluently. In France, I don't see English posted next to their French signs. I'm also relatively sure that in France's case, they BANNED the use of english in certain areas. They want to preserve the cohesive nature of their country. Same goes for other foreign lands.

[Apossum]

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[howlinmad]

just goes to prove my point that whites are the minority. Hell most of my neighborhhod is either black/or hispanic. Most of the hispanic's are not even legal yet they get free health care here plus jobs. something is wrong with that in my opinion

Thank you.
And before anyone even starts, thinking that is utter bullshit does not make you a racist, prejudice, or greedy or the white man. Just simply means you think it's bullshit others get a free ride while you work your ass off to make ends meet. I don't care what race you are. I'm not a law expert, but if you are illegally here ( that means if you are hispanic, Russian, or martian) do you have a social security number? Do you pay taxes if you have no Social Security number? How the hell do you get a driver's license? How the hell do you get car insurance? Last time I changed insurance and then later when I put my wife on the same policy, it was an act of congress. Which included our SSN. among other lengthy requests.

I know this is a touchy subject, you can't mention another race without stereotyping blah blah blah. But this is not about hispanics as a culture or race, it's only people who think they can just do whatever they please.

If people who are here legally stop paying taxes, we get put through total hell, why should it be different?

[JimmieMac]

I read this the other day, I'm glad because I really like Spanish food and all its incarnations. The more there are of a people in an area, the more eateries they'll open and that's fine by me.

[SkyGheNe]

Thank you.
And before anyone even starts, thinking that is utter bullshit does not make you a racist, prejudice, or greedy or the white man. Just simply means you think it's bullshit others get a free ride while you work your ass off to make ends meet. I don't care what race you are. I'm not a law expert, but if you are illegally here ( that means if you are hispanic, Russian, or martian) do you have a social security number? Do you pay taxes if you have no Social Security number? How the hell do you get a driver's license? How the hell do you get car insurance? Last time I changed insurance and then later when I put my wife on the same policy, it was an act of congress. Which included our SSN. among other lengthy requests.

I know this is a touchy subject, you can't mention another race without stereotyping blah blah blah. But this is not about hispanics as a culture or race, it's only people who think they can just do whatever they please.

If people who are here legally stop paying taxes, we get put through total hell, why should it be different?

The irony of stereotypes is that for them to develop, a pinch of truth is needed.

[howlinmad]

The irony of stereotypes is that for them to develop, a pinch of truth is needed.

You aren't supposed to notice. shhhhhh

[Apossum]

do you have a social security number? Do you pay taxes if you have no Social Security number? How the hell do you get a driver's license? How the hell do you get car insurance?

1. they don't
2. hell no
3. they get them some how
4. ha! that's funny.


What can I say, times have changed.

[SkyGheNe]

1. they don't
2. hell no
3. they get them some how
4. ha! that's funny.


What can I say, times have changed.

The last news agency autonomous from the Russian Government goes under - leaving no one to criticize politics occuring within the country.

What can I say, times have changed.

[Apossum]

The last news agency autonomous from the Russian Government goes under - leaving no one to criticize politics occuring within the country.

What can I say, times have changed.

I'm not saying it's okay or that I don't care but there's not much more i can do at this moment than bitch about it, which I don't feel like doing :lol:

[SkyGheNe]

I'm not saying it's okay or that I don't care but there's not much more i can do at this moment than bitch about it, which I don't feel like doing :lol:

True that. Nothing moves until the politicians do - and most use the race card to their pitiful advantage.

I recently read that a join coalition of republicans and dems. banded together to fight the recent fillibuster/other nonsense going on. Too bad the republican side one be funded once re-election comes around.

Sad - when people move for change - they seem to be squashed like ants. Leads me to believe the language deal won't be handled any time soon. No one sees it as a viable threat.

[Moxio]

OH NO THEY'RE GOING TO STEAL OUT JOBS!11!

-Dirty American :)

[pumbaa]

When a hispanic child goes to school - an American school - I'm pretty sure they need to speak english. If they want a good job - They're going to have to learn how to speak it. If I walk into a store to order food - I will never do it in spanish.

My father is Mexican. My mother was an exchange student and fell in love with him when she was down there - had my brother and sis - decided that Mexico was not the place to raise children - and then moved back to America and had me. Luckily, most mexicans already speak english due to trade/american television (a majority of their channels are in English). Personally, I speak enough spanish to talk to my relatives.

If all of my relatives in Mexico and Spain can speak fluent English but have NEVER lived in the United States - I don't see why there is a problem for immigrants to learn English. Commercial markets aren't an excuse for the linguistic fragmentation of our country.

Just so you know, there is an ESOL (English as a Second Language) program in almost ALL schools down here in Florida. A child doesnt have to know English to go into a public elementary school.

If you happen to walk into a store in a largely hispanic area there may be a chance that they only speak Spanish there... or very little English. If you walk into a store in Chinatown... chances are they'd speak Chinese... Why? Because most of the business thats comes through these places is in language from the surround area.

You're right, commercial markets aren't an excuse for the linguistic fragmentation of our country... buts its not like American can only speak Spanish OR English. Most of the people who speak Spanish that I know are bilingual... it doesn't have to be an either or situations. In MOST if not ALL other countries... multiple languages is a GIVEN within the population... bilingualism is a GOOD THING... and is encouraged.

You bring up another great point... a higher percentage of people in most countries speak more English than we do of their language... that just makes sense since we are an world powerhouse. But it's also because of the arrogance that Americans have with English as well. As much as people would like to say, "Oh if I move into a country or do business with some other country I'd learn at least a little of the language" this isnt the case... we are a liguistically cocky country... and I dont think its a horrible thing that another language is being introduced into the psyche of the country.

[SkyGheNe]

Just so you know, there is an ESOL (English as a Second Language) program in almost ALL schools down here in Florida. A child doesnt have to know English to go into a public elementary school.

You bring up another great point... a higher percentage of people in most countries speak more English than we do of their language... that just makes sense since we are an world powerhouse. But it's also because of the arrogance that Americans have with English as well. As much as people would like to say, "Oh if I move into a country or do business with some other country I'd learn at least a little of the language" this isnt the case... we are a liguistically cocky country... and I dont think its a horrible thing that another language is being introduced into the psyche of the country.

You don't have to know English going in - but you better know it coming out. That's what I'm saying at the moment.

If you're talking about tourism - I don't see why any person should be forced to learn the language. You're visiting and would be helped eitherway. Trying to speak the language is a courtesy. When my relatives from Spain come - I speak spanish as best as I can because they aren't as fluent as my Mexican branch.

Now if you lived their for six months, I think you'd have to learn the language or fall apart. Say it's an internship? Why would anyone hire someone who can't speak the native language? Likewise in the United States. They better understand that they aren't going to go far without an understandable amount of English under their belt. It's when the foreign language becomes what people predominantly use that annoys me. Why do you think so many people are taking Spanish in college? Some is interest and another population because of the fact that some people can speak nothing but that.

My sister was hired as a paramedic because she speaks spanish. It solved a lot of problems when they picked up people - because many only spoke spanish. And in the more violent situations between gangs - you bet it came in handy. Although, it is pretty funny when she screws up and the guy stares at her with a "what the hell did you just say" face.

[ramprider0]

3/4'S of my apartment complex is spanish people right now.

[evilmojo12542]

Thank you.
And before anyone even starts, thinking that is utter bullshit does not make you a racist, prejudice, or greedy or the white man. Just simply means you think it's bullshit others get a free ride while you work your ass off to make ends meet. I don't care what race you are. I'm not a law expert, but if you are illegally here ( that means if you are hispanic, Russian, or martian) do you have a social security number? Do you pay taxes if you have no Social Security number? How the hell do you get a driver's license? How the hell do you get car insurance? Last time I changed insurance and then later when I put my wife on the same policy, it was an act of congress. Which included our SSN. among other lengthy requests.

I know this is a touchy subject, you can't mention another race without stereotyping blah blah blah. But this is not about hispanics as a culture or race, it's only people who think they can just do whatever they please.

If people who are here legally stop paying taxes, we get put through total hell, why should it be different?

yes thank you that is esactly where I was going. When I was growing up first job was normally at a fast food joint or a factory. Those jobs are no longer availble to our legal citizens now. As stated before here in this city illegls get free health care. They are also upset because the law now says you have to have 3 pieces of id to get a license they are suing and say it is racism because they can not get three pieces if they where legal no problem at all. Long and shor is I am tired of busting my ass to give someone else a free ride

[lionheart4life]

Not to offend anyone, but people need to stop having 8 kids when you can only afford to raise 2 or 3.

[Kayden]

Not to offend anyone, but people need to stop having 8 kids when you can only afford to raise 2 or 3.

I think half of your post is bullshit.

And its "not to offend anyone." I think its total :bs: that we are made to feel bad about having opinions. Conservative America is so up tight about the remote possibility of offending anyone that everyone says 'I hope I wont offend anyone' everytime they state their opinion. However, shits getting so bad you need to say that or everyone labels you a bigot or a racist or some other asinine term simply because you made a statement of common sense.

Hows this?

Stop having so many goddamned kids when you're already on wellfare at the age 18 with two fucking kids already!

Don't like your country? Ok, emigrate somewhere. Don't wanna wait for the legal process? TOO FUCKING BAD. It's the law. Anyone cause here illegally should be catapulted over the border or just shot.

Coming here anyways? SPEAK ENGLISH GODDAMIT!

Gee... I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Life isn't like a box of chocolates. When you open a box of chocolates you see a box of chocolates and then you eat them. If life were a box of chocolates you'd open the box and find carrots. You didn't want carrots, but someone decided for you that you were going to eat them because its what was best for you. You'd complain about this, but then people would call you an eatist because you're dicriminating against carrots. You'd try to explain that you do like carrots, you just wanted chocolate in your box of chocolates. This arguement, however, would fall on deaf ears and be branded as the lies of a carrot hating white devil. And then the carrots would take your job.

[mykevermin]

I read this the other day, I'm glad because I really like Spanish food and all its incarnations. The more there are of a people in an area, the more eateries they'll open and that's fine by me.

Man, I used to work with this cat on a side job last year; he went to an all-Latino Catholic church every Sunday, and he'd bring us all fresh homemade tamales from the church "after party" (or whatever the hell they call it). I miss that shit.

He was an incredibly nice person, and in my opinion, language helps, but isn't always necessary. All you need to know are words to indicate something is hot, and an assortment of words meant to emasculate and make fun of them, so you can interact with them the way you do everyone else in a kitchen.

myke.
...I'm staying way away from this hee-haw hillbilly "they do this" and "whites are the minority" fucking idiot festival. This ain't math class, kids, but if you want your nonsense to be taken seriously, *show your work.* (looking at evilmojo).

[mykevermin]

I think half of your post is bullshit.

And its "not to offend anyone." I think its total :bs: that we are made to feel bad about having opinions. Conservative America is so up tight about the remote possibility of offending anyone that everyone says 'I hope I wont offend anyone' everytime they state their opinion. However, shits getting so bad you need to say that or everyone labels you a bigot or a racist or some other asinine term simply because you made a statement of common sense.

Hows this?

Stop having so many goddamned kids when you're already on wellfare at the age 18 with two fucking kids already!

Don't like your country? Ok, emigrate somewhere. Don't wanna wait for the legal process? TOO FUCKING BAD. It's the law. Anyone cause here illegally should be catapulted over the border or just shot.

Coming here anyways? SPEAK ENGLISH GODDAMIT!

Gee... I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Life isn't like a box of chocolates. When you open a box of chocolates you see a box of chocolates and then you eat them. If life were a box of chocolates you'd open the box and find carrots. You didn't want carrots, but someone decided for you that you were going to eat them because its what was best for you. You'd complain about this, but then people would call you an eatist because you're dicriminating against carrots. You'd try to explain that you do like carrots, you just wanted chocolate in your box of chocolates. This arguement, however, would fall on deaf ears and be branded as the lies of a carrot hating white devil. And then the carrots would take your job.

so let me get this straight; you just blamed "non-conservatives" (perhaps just liberals, I dunno) for conservatives' feeling social stigma about their racist and bigoted diatribes? That's fuckin' rich, man.

myke.
...blame the bigots for the bigotry, I say.

[camoor]

I think half of your post is bullshit.

And its "not to offend anyone." I think its total :bs: that we are made to feel bad about having opinions. Conservative America is so up tight about the remote possibility of offending anyone that everyone says 'I hope I wont offend anyone' everytime they state their opinion. However, shits getting so bad you need to say that or everyone labels you a bigot or a racist or some other asinine term simply because you made a statement of common sense.


I agree. As soon as you say anything remotely interesting, some assholes always saying "Im callin the cops" "Im tellin the Mods" or just "Moooooooommmmmy"

Cant say anything because of the freaking out-of-control lawyers in this country.

[Kayden]

so let me get this straight; you just blamed "non-conservatives" (perhaps just liberals, I dunno) for conservatives' feeling social stigma about their racist and bigoted diatribes? That's fuckin' rich, man.

myke.
...blame the bigots for the bigotry, I say.

I'm not making this an issue of politcal parties. I'm refering to how the US as a whole is getting so tight-assed that you could stick 5 nickels up its proverbial butt and get a quarter.

[Storamin]

We're not gonna take it! NO! We aint gonna take it! We aint gonna take it, anymo!

Seriously. I don't care if America is full of hispanic, jewish, muslims, europeans, white trash rednecks, whatever. I don't even care if you speak english. The fact is it's still America and I'm glad to call it home and glad to have other people call it home, too.

I hate racist bastards. America was founded on equality. While it may not have been equal in the beggining, I'll be damned if I won't work my ass off to make it equal for all today.

[mykevermin]

I'm not making this an issue of politcal parties. I'm refering to how the US as a whole is getting so tight-assed that you could stick 5 nickels up its proverbial butt and get a quarter.

Well, let me put it to you this way. When I read something like this:

just goes to prove my point that whites are the minority. Hell most of my neighborhhod is either black/or hispanic. Most of the hispanic's are not even legal yet they get free health care here plus jobs. something is wrong with that in my opinion

I'm going to call out idiocy, I'm going to call out bullshit, and I'm going to ask to see some proof. I'd love to see this guy prove that (1) most of the hispanics in his neighborhood are illegal, (2) they all have health care for free, (3) they all have jobs (and the whites don't), (4) the actual racial demographic of their neighborhood is (combined) greater black/hispanic than white.

That's what I get uptight about. People making arguments when they have no fucking idea about how true they are, and no ability to prove them. However, they continue to stand by a hollow argument that they are too lazy and ill informed to back up.

myke.
...show me the census data from the 5 tracts nearest to where he lives, and I'll show you someone who made a poor argument.

[Kayden]

Well, let me put it to you this way. When I read something like this:



I'm going to call out idiocy, I'm going to call out bullshit, and I'm going to ask to see some proof. I'd love to see this guy prove that (1) most of the hispanics in his neighborhood are illegal, (2) they all have health care for free, (3) they all have jobs (and the whites don't), (4) the actual racial demographic of their neighborhood is (combined) greater black/hispanic than white.

That's what I get uptight about. People making arguments when they have no fucking idea about how true they are, and no ability to prove them. However, they continue to stand by a hollow argument that they are too lazy and ill informed to back up.

myke.
...show me the census data from the 5 tracts nearest to where he lives, and I'll show you someone who made a poor argument.

I don't blame you, I think he's an idiot too. Just look at his last post. He pretty much removes any possible chance of being taken seriously with his total inability to spell.

yes thank you that is esactly where I was going. When I was growing up first job was normally at a fast food joint or a factory. Those jobs are no longer availble to our legal citizens now. As stated before here in this city illegls get free health care. They are also upset because the law now says you have to have 3 pieces of id to get a license they are suing and say it is racism because they can not get three pieces if they where legal no problem at all. Long and shor is I am tired of busting my ass to give someone else a free ride

[Quillion]

True Story:

A Mexican sticks his head into a barber shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About 2 hours."
The guy leaves.

A few days later the same Mexican sticks his head in the door and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around at the shop full of customers and says, "About 3 hours." The guy leaves.

A week later the same Mexican sticks his head in the shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About an hour and a half." The guy leaves.

The barber who is intrigued by this time, looks over at a friend in the shop and says, "Hey, Bill. Follow that Mexican and see where he goes."

A little while later, Bill comes back into the shop, laughing hysterically.

The barber asks, "Bill, where did he go when he left here?"

Bill looks up, tears in his eyes and says, "Your house!"

See? If they don't take our jobs, they take our women.

[pumbaa]

yes thank you that is esactly where I was going. When I was growing up first job was normally at a fast food joint or a factory. Those jobs are no longer availble to our legal citizens now. As stated before here in this city illegls get free health care. They are also upset because the law now says you have to have 3 pieces of id to get a license they are suing and say it is racism because they can not get three pieces if they where legal no problem at all. Long and shor is I am tired of busting my ass to give someone else a free ride

I got my first job in fast food. And I know many of my friends who have (hispanic or otherwise) who've gotten the same. You can't generalize your experiences to "everywhere".

[lionheart4life]

I think half of your post is bullshit.

And its "not to offend anyone." I think its total :bs: that we are made to feel bad about having opinions. Conservative America is so up tight about the remote possibility of offending anyone that everyone says 'I hope I wont offend anyone' everytime they state their opinion. However, shits getting so bad you need to say that or everyone labels you a bigot or a racist or some other asinine term simply because you made a statement of common sense.

Hows this?

Stop having so many goddamned kids when you're already on wellfare at the age 18 with two fucking kids already!

Don't like your country? Ok, emigrate somewhere. Don't wanna wait for the legal process? TOO FUCKING BAD. It's the law. Anyone cause here illegally should be catapulted over the border or just shot.

Coming here anyways? SPEAK ENGLISH GODDAMIT!

Gee... I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Life isn't like a box of chocolates. When you open a box of chocolates you see a box of chocolates and then you eat them. If life were a box of chocolates you'd open the box and find carrots. You didn't want carrots, but someone decided for you that you were going to eat them because its what was best for you. You'd complain about this, but then people would call you an eatist because you're dicriminating against carrots. You'd try to explain that you do like carrots, you just wanted chocolate in your box of chocolates. This arguement, however, would fall on deaf ears and be branded as the lies of a carrot hating white devil. And then the carrots would take your job.


You're right, half my post was BS and I really didn't care about offending anyone b/c its true.. I actually agree with everything you said there, thanks for putting it out there.

[evilmojo12542]

Well, let me put it to you this way. When I read something like this:



I'm going to call out idiocy, I'm going to call out bullshit, and I'm going to ask to see some proof. I'd love to see this guy prove that (1) most of the hispanics in his neighborhood are illegal, (2) they all have health care for free, (3) they all have jobs (and the whites don't), (4) the actual racial demographic of their neighborhood is (combined) greater black/hispanic than white.

That's what I get uptight about. People making arguments when they have no fucking idea about how true they are, and no ability to prove them. However, they continue to stand by a hollow argument that they are too lazy and ill informed to back up.

myke.
...show me the census data from the 5 tracts nearest to where he lives, and I'll show you someone who made a poor argument.

while I do not have cenus data to back myself up. I can tell you this Wishard hospital here in city gives free health care to mexicans. There is no secret about that hell they even have adds on tv from time to time. now in fairness They also help out anyone that needs help for a reduced price. I know the manager at the mcdonald's down the road personally he has 32 mexicans 4whites and 3 blacks working for him. I have no problem with mexican's at all in the aspect they do spend lots of money here,they do work there ass off cheaper than we would. But with that comes crime as well. They need to learn english I do not need to learn spanish. Now as far as the idiot gripeing about my spelling oh well I am far from a perfect typer and speller

[SkyGheNe]

Well, let me put it to you this way. When I read something like this:



I'm going to call out idiocy, I'm going to call out bullshit, and I'm going to ask to see some proof. I'd love to see this guy prove that (1) most of the hispanics in his neighborhood are illegal, (2) they all have health care for free, (3) they all have jobs (and the whites don't), (4) the actual racial demographic of their neighborhood is (combined) greater black/hispanic than white.

That's what I get uptight about. People making arguments when they have no fucking idea about how true they are, and no ability to prove them. However, they continue to stand by a hollow argument that they are too lazy and ill informed to back up.

myke.
...show me the census data from the 5 tracts nearest to where he lives, and I'll show you someone who made a poor argument.

I believe in areas like california/Arizona there was a law to give illegal immigrants health care - as well as an education - which I find annoying considering that they aren't paying any taxes for that education. While his "majority" may be extremely innacurate - the fact that in some areas illegal immigrants (mostly border states) receive health care and different services that would require tax payments is true.

[smalien1]

I think they should crack down on lllegal immigrants BUT make citizenship easier.

[Graystone]

True Story:
A Mexican sticks his head into a barber shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About 2 hours."
The guy leaves.
A few days later the same Mexican sticks his head in the door and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around at the shop full of customers and says, "About 3 hours." The guy leaves.
A week later the same Mexican sticks his head in the shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About an hour and a half." The guy leaves.
The barber who is intrigued by this time, looks over at a friend in the shop and says, "Hey, Bill. Follow that Mexican and see where he goes."
A little while later, Bill comes back into the shop, laughing hysterically.
The barber asks, "Bill, where did he go when he left here?"
Bill looks up, tears in his eyes and says, "Your house!"
See? If they don't take our jobs, they take our women.


Right good one!! :roll:

*walks away slowly in silence*

[DT778]

while I do not have cenus data to back myself up. I can tell you this Wishard hospital here in city gives free health care to mexicans. There is no secret about that hell they even have adds on tv from time to time. now in fairness They also help out anyone that needs help for a reduced price. I know the manager at the mcdonald's down the road personally he has 32 mexicans 4whites and 3 blacks working for him. I have no problem with mexican's at all in the aspect they do spend lots of money here,they do work there ass off cheaper than we would. But with that comes crime as well. They need to learn english I do not need to learn spanish. Now as far as the idiot gripeing about my spelling oh well I am far from a perfect typer and speller

Forget going to Canada, where exactly is this Wishard Hospital?

And I find it funny that some people that complain about jobs being taken over use fast food jobs for examples.

[evilmojo12542]

Forget going to Canada, where exactly is this Wishard Hospital?

And I find it funny that some people that complain about jobs being taken over use fast food jobs for examples.

Mcdonalds pays up to $9 a hour to start here. If you go to best buy, fry,blockbuster,autozone,advance auto parts just to name a few you are lucky to get $7 a hour to start. So fast food does pay well here. Hell white castle's will pay you $12 a hour for shift manger 3rd shift to start

[kaji7p56]

Mcdonalds pays up to $9 a hour to start here. If you go to best buy, fry,blockbuster,autozone,advance auto parts just to name a few you are lucky to get $7 a hour to start. So fast food does pay well here. Hell white castle's will pay you $12 a hour for shift manger 3rd shift to start

Wow. McDonald's here in LA pay $6.75 and not a penny more. They pay $9 over there? That's alot of money (for fast food).

[smalien1]

I think we should yank the welfare money from them and give it to the Native Americans (or Indians to clarify) we owe them so fucking much.

[mykevermin]

while I do not have cenus data to back myself up. I can tell you this Wishard hospital here in city gives free health care to mexicans. There is no secret about that hell they even have adds on tv from time to time. now in fairness They also help out anyone that needs help for a reduced price.

So, you're telling me that their policy is to offer free health care to all Hispanics (and not Mexicans, if you go back to page 2), but nobody else? This is their *explicit* policy? Do they have a website that says this? They're setting themselves up for quite a lawsuit if that is the case. I don't think you're being completely honest with me, but if you can show me where they explicitly offer free health care to hispanics and make others pay modestly, I'll tell you I'm wrong. Also, we are being presumptuous to think they are all illegal, aren't we?

I know the manager at the mcdonald's down the road personally he has 32 mexicans 4whites and 3 blacks working for him.

And how many of them are illegal? How many white or black non-hispanics try to apply for work there (that *aren't* teenagers seeking their first job)? Just because they work there doesn't mean a damn thing, except they have a job. You could make yourself well-known as a whistleblower if you uncover an operation of funneling illegal immigrants through McDonald's. Again, I think you're wrong, but if you can prove it, again, so be it. Tell me how it is.

I have no problem with mexican's at all in the aspect they do spend lots of money here,they do work there ass off cheaper than we would.

Hispanics, hispanics, hispanics. Say it with me now.

I'm glad to see that, whether you may not realize it, you have presented a righteous endorsement of free market exploitation. You're supporting precisely what Karl Marx says is the downfall of capitalism.

Which leads me to a thought about immigrants (legality aside). Why do people become furious with the workers for "taking jobs from 'us'," yet we fucking *always* give a free pass to employers for behaving according to rational business behavior (hire the chump who will work the hardest for the least pay - another of Marx's tenets)? It takes two to tango, baby.

But with that comes crime as well.

Show me the crime statistics; Start here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/. Now, if you're arguing that the number of crimes committed by Hispanics is increasing because the percentage of Hispanics in the total population is increasing, I'll tell you this: No shit. Strangely enough, as the number of people of a certain classification increase, the number of crimes they commit increases as well. What's enlightening about that, and what's unique about Hispanics in that respect?

If not, what *is* your argument here?

They need to learn english I do not need to learn spanish.

In what experiences have you had where you've been completely inconvenienced by non-English speakers? I'm just curious; if they're teaching you the history of the Western world, 1500-1896 at your high school, then they should learn English. If they're making your Big Mac, what the fuck does it matter to you? Most jobs have been so deskilled (see Harry Braverman for the deskilling hypothesis) that it doesn't fucking matter what language you speak. Put the meat patty on the rotating oven. Repeat for 8 hours, cigarette breaks notwithstanding.

Now as far as the idiot gripeing about my spelling oh well I am far from a perfect typer and speller

Well, that wasn't me, so I'll leave this comment be.

myke.

[evilmojo12542]

So, you're telling me that their policy is to offer free health care to all Hispanics (and not Mexicans, if you go back to page 2), but nobody else? This is their *explicit* policy? Do they have a website that says this? They're setting themselves up for quite a lawsuit if that is the case. I don't think you're being completely honest with me, but if you can show me where they explicitly offer free health care to hispanics and make others pay modestly, I'll tell you I'm wrong. Also, we are being presumptuous to think they are all illegal, aren't we?



And how many of them are illegal? How many white or black non-hispanics try to apply for work there (that *aren't* teenagers seeking their first job)? Just because they work there doesn't mean a damn thing, except they have a job. You could make yourself well-known as a whistleblower if you uncover an operation of funneling illegal immigrants through McDonald's. Again, I think you're wrong, but if you can prove it, again, so be it. Tell me how it is.



Hispanics, hispanics, hispanics. Say it with me now.

I'm glad to see that, whether you may not realize it, you have presented a righteous endorsement of free market exploitation. You're supporting precisely what Karl Marx says is the downfall of capitalism.

Which leads me to a thought about immigrants (legality aside). Why do people become furious with the workers for "taking jobs from 'us'," yet we fucking *always* give a free pass to employers for behaving according to rational business behavior (hire the chump who will work the hardest for the least pay - another of Marx's tenets)? It takes two to tango, baby.



Show me the crime statistics; Start here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/. Now, if you're arguing that the number of crimes committed by Hispanics is increasing because the percentage of Hispanics in the total population is increasing, I'll tell you this: No shit. Strangely enough, as the number of people of a certain classification increase, the number of crimes they commit increases as well. What's enlightening about that, and what's unique about Hispanics in that respect?

If not, what *is* your argument here?



In what experiences have you had where you've been completely inconvenienced by non-English speakers? I'm just curious; if they're teaching you the history of the Western world, 1500-1896 at your high school, then they should learn English. If they're making your Big Mac, what the fuck does it matter to you? Most jobs have been so deskilled (see Harry Braverman for the deskilling hypothesis) that it doesn't fucking matter what language you speak. Put the meat patty on the rotating oven. Repeat for 8 hours, cigarette breaks notwithstanding.



Well, that wasn't me, so I'll leave this comment be.

myke.


hispanics hispanics hispanics that better lol
I have no clue what they are teaching at high school I graduated 13 years ago
as far as wether they are leagal or not I have no idea. If I am correct there is a law on the books that states that a non legal person can take a job without there greencard if no citizen's will take the job. You are probabbly correct myke in the fact that I am over playing some of this. I can only speak of what I see and know that does not mean that they are all illegal in any form shape or way and I have no problem with the ones that work and pay there share of taxes. If I offended anyony in my statements I am sorry for my ignorance

[zewone]

As long as it means more burritos its A-Okay in my book!

Go Mexicans!

[pumbaa]

Yeah... the jobs that are being taken by the low income illegals here are ones that most lower to lower and middle class whites DON'T WANT to take. If your argument is that hispanics are taking middle to upper-middle class jobs... then we would be talking about affirmative action... a topic for another day and another thread.

These people wouldnt be getting hired if there weren't jobs available to being with.

[Kayden]

You're right, half my post was BS and I really didn't care about offending anyone b/c its true.. I actually agree with everything you said there, thanks for putting it out there.

Its pretty much my job to be offending. :-#

[Puzznic]

Yeah... the jobs that are being taken by the low income illegals here are ones that most lower to lower and middle class whites DON'T WANT to take. If your argument is that hispanics are taking middle to upper-middle class jobs... then we would be talking about affirmative action... a topic for another day and another thread.

These people wouldnt be getting hired if there weren't jobs available to being with.


Yes, but an argument could be made that the reason citizens don't want the jobs being taken is because they don't pay enough. The reason they pay so low has alot to do with the fact that immigrants are willing to do them for less. Without the immigrants , supply and demand would work to the benefit of citizens because the jobs would pay more and more to the point where people would finally want those jobs.

[pumbaa]

Yes, but an argument could be made that the reason citizens don't want the jobs being taken is because they don't pay enough. The reason they pay so low has alot to do with the fact that immigrants are willing to do them for less. Without the immigrants , supply and demand would work to the benefit of citizens because the jobs would pay more and more to the point where people would finally want those jobs.

It's a chicken and the egg argument... were the wages low so the immigrants took them? Or were they pushed down because immigrants were willing to take them.

It could be either.

[Kayden]

:rofl: nice title, Pumbaa.

[mykevermin]

Yes, but an argument could be made that the reason citizens don't want the jobs being taken is because they don't pay enough. The reason they pay so low has alot to do with the fact that immigrants are willing to do them for less. Without the immigrants , supply and demand would work to the benefit of citizens because the jobs would pay more and more to the point where people would finally want those jobs.

Way to blame the victim, shecky. As I stated above, why do businesses that hire people at extremely low wages get a free pass (even moreso if they are illegal)?

The reason is that businesses give fuck all about you or your well being; if they could build a machine to do the job, nobody would be working, so long as it helps up the profit margin each quarter.

myke.
...fuckin' come on, it's not like Wal-Mart is being held at gunpoint to give someone a shitty job at a shitty wage, so why leave them out of the equation?

[pumbaa]

:rofl: nice title, Pumbaa.

Thought you'd like it.