Xbox Live deals for retail employees only

[CheapyD]

Microsoft has this promotion for retail employees only
ripped from www.fatwallet.com (thanks, JamManXC)

http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/

Pick up the Starter Kit for only $29.99 (more than 50% off MSRP).
Starter Kit includes:
A 12-month subscription card
A Communicator headset
The full version of Crimson Skies®: High Road to Revenge™

Or

Get your hands on a 12-month subscription card for only $19.99 (more than 60% off MSRP).

[Wshakspear]

Too bad i dont work at a "name brand" kind of store..then again, when i worked at k-mart we werent a part of thier retailler incentive plans.

[JimmieMac]

Saying you work at a place when you don't just to save a few bucks would be wrong.

[Mr Unoriginal]

So you can just say you work somewhere and the deal works itself out?

[jeffreyjrose]

Do you have to be a retail employee to actually get this deal? You can go through the entire process and just put in a fake store name. Will it work?

[suprsaiyanMAX]

I got my Xbox live starter kit last october in a similar fashion although it was free.

[JimmieMac]

When and if JSweeny can pull him self away from sucking cock he's going to tell you all that even if It IS the evil empire,MicroSoft, it's not right to lie to get something not intended for you.

[Mr Unoriginal]

When and if JSweeny can pull him self away from sucking cock he's going to tell you all that even if It IS the evil empire,MicroSoft, it's not right to lie to get something not intended for you.

Well I figured that, but I was just planning on ignoring him.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

Haha....Well, I was working at Best Buy at the time so it was intended for me (and others like me).

[thatstoobad]

just think about it for a second. just because you don't work at one of these stores does not mean that you are out of luck. for instance, where i work isn't listed, not really a surprise, but my father works for SBC, and that is on the list. so, if i decide to get in on this deal, i'll just put down my dad's name, use SBC, and everything should be a-ok.

[coolieman2001]

Wow great deal. Workings for Sams Club has finally paid off. Thanks Microsoft !

[JimmieMac]

just think about it for a second. just because you don't work at one of these stores does not mean that you are out of luck. for instance, where i work isn't listed, not really a surprise, but my father works for SBC, and that is on the list. so, if i decide to get in on this deal, i'll just put down my dad's name, use SBC, and everything should be a-ok.

Yes, because you would hate to think that Microsoft is going to go thru the trouble of checking to see that each and every person works where they say they work. And what if they were to find someone was lying? I can only imagine jail time in a federal "pound me in the ass prison"

[rodeojones903]

Last time they did this, they made us all send in a fax of our paycheck stubs because so many people who did not work retail ordered it. I think its bad for this link to be posted, because people who actually quality and are part of the retail program recieved the email.

[JohnnyDrama]

Does anyone know when this offer expires? I'd like to get on this deal, but I don't have broadband yet (damn!).

[JimmieMac]

Does anyone know when this offer expires? I'd like to get on this deal, but I don't have broadband yet (damn!).

Who cares? Order it up now and worry about that later.

[JohnnyDrama]

Does anyone know when this offer expires? I'd like to get on this deal, but I don't have broadband yet (damn!).

Who cares? Order it up now and worry about that later.

Yeah, I was contemplating doing that as well, thanks a lot.

[thatstoobad]

Yes, because you would hate to think that Microsoft is going to go thru the trouble of checking to see that each and every person works where they say they work. And what if they were to find someone was lying? I can only imagine jail time in a federal "pound me in the ass prison"

i didn't say to lie or commit fraud or anything of the sort. my dad works at SBC, i still live with my parents. it was for the people who live with others to think about.

[godzilla123]

WTF!!! i gte all the way to the last step to order the stuff. i had to back out using the back button. Now it says both products are "previoulsy ordered" i never put my credit card info in. WTF???!!!

[coolsteel]

Nuts, I actually qualify for this but they limit you to one only, needed another for a friend, oh well he's out of luck.

[godzilla123]

I resigned up with microsoft net pass under a new user id and email. it worked. I signed in again and was able to make the order. $35.09 with shipping. I got an auto reply and called the number. they are clueless but she confirmed my order. I can't seem to find the website to track it though.

[blackjaw]

hmm...i have a retail account from when i worked for eb last may....even though i quit and havent worked for a while i still get emails for ms retail team, and i can still do the quizzes to get games...so is it safe to bet i could do this ;)

[eshbums]

I resigned up with microsoft net pass under a new user id and email. it worked. I signed in again and was able to make the order. $35.09 with shipping. I got an auto reply and called the number. they are clueless but she confirmed my order. I can't seem to find the website to track it though.

Yep, I was able to order also, although I did not have to re-sign up. I logged back in (had already done that several times, cleared cookies, and cache, etc, without success), it just appeared in my cart again, and I received an email. I can't track my order on the site either.

After clearing out my cookies/cache, my order did go through, but on the confirmation email, it lists the starter kit w/ Mechassault, not Crimson Skies. Awaiting an answer from MS as to what actually is going to ship. Bah!

**update** - received email from MS, this is shipping w/ Crimson Skies, the description is updated on their order confirmations. Woot!

[Valkryst]

What happens if you sign up but you arn't working for a store?

[jetblac]

6 to 8 weeks for delivery

[Sporadic]

Glad my sister works at Wal Mart. I'll have her get one for me.

[eshbums]

After clearing out my cookies/cache, my order did go through, but on the confirmation email, it lists the starter kit w/ Mechassault, not Crimson Skies. Awaiting an answer from MS as to what actually is going to ship. Bah!

**update** - received email from MS, this is shipping w/ Crimson Skies, the description is updated on their order confirmations. Woot!

are you able to track your order on the website?

Nope, I've always had problems with the ePup site, I've ordered products from them for years, but when I sign in through my .net, I'm listed as "not verified". I received confirmation after I ordered, and a follow up email about 2 hours later, but no online access. :(

[pfunkpearl]

So are you people who are ordering them not working retail? what are do they ask for? I don't wanna go through and find out i need some code.

[eshbums]

So are you people who are ordering them not working retail? what are do they ask for? I don't wanna go through and find out i need some code.

No code needed, but in the disclaimer, it does mention that they can cancel your order if they find out you're not qualified.

Could be why there's a 6-8 week lead time on this!

[pfunkpearl]

ahh
dang..too bad they never had those deals when i did work for EB and funcoland..

[frenchmovietheme]

is there an email or phone number you can contact them at? I placed an order, and i do indeed work at one of the listed retail stores, but i accidentally put my "billing" information in incorrectly. how should i contact them about it?

[Indiana]

Is this coming with Crimson Skies or Mech Assault? I received confirmation for Mech Assault but ordered Crimson Skies. I just emailed them regarding this.

Any one else get an answer in writing about this?

[rodeojones903]

In their terms they indicate that if you do not work retail and order from the retail site they can press charges against you. Usually they just ask for a fax of a paycheck stub before they ship on your first order.

[Scorch]

I worked at EB this past holiday season.. so i'm gonna try for it.

[KingNES]

WTF!!! i gte all the way to the last step to order the stuff. i had to back out using the back button. Now it says both products are "previoulsy ordered" i never put my credit card info in. WTF???!!!

me too. I sent them an email, we'll see what happens.


Just look to the checkout area and youll see the rest of the steps, it said the same for me, but I wa still able to complete my order with no probs

[MANIMAL]

My LIVE subscription doesnt expire till NOVEMBER - can i buy a year for $19 and just wait? is it just a 12 month subscription card they send you or what?

[sniper308]

My LIVE subscription doesnt expire till NOVEMBER - can i buy a year for $19 and just wait? is it just a 12 month subscription card they send you or what?

You can actually just enter the code on your xbox and extend your current subscription, I believe.

[Wshakspear]

it extends it. works pretty well i must say

[jamhole538]

what is the e-mail address to talk to the xbox people about getting this deal....when i log in it says i have ordered it already but i haven't and it wont let me cliick on the contact us link...WTF fuck this shit....help

[stealthshadow]

Guys, I have a question.

Ok here goes.

My cousin works at BestBuy, and I want to ask him to buy this for me, so I can give him the cash for the product. Anyway, after he receives it and gives it to me, can I use my dad's credit card to actually use XBOX LIVE and make my username? Or will I have to play under my cousin's name, because if I would, that would be too much trouble for him.

Thanks, oh, and what are the requirements for this offer? Will he have to show them anything, or will Microsoft bother them or something? Because I don't want to be the reason for him being bugged by Microsoft. Thanks.

[extremep]

Yes, you can use your dad's credit card. Microsoft will probably ask your cousin to fax a copy of a recent paycheck stub.

[ajh2298]

I placed my order yesterday at like 4:00 e.s.t. and it shipped this morning they never asked for any proof of where I worked or anything.

[JSweeney]

Yep. I posted.
Yep. It's wrong.
Go ahead. Flame on.
There are worse things to be despised for than for being a voice of virtue and honor.

[jamhole538]

can someone give me the freaking email add so i can talk to the Xbox people

[Romeo]

CheapyD, this is a promotion for Microsoft Retail employees ONLY. This is not for the public.

[stealthshadow]

Ok, can someone tell me exactly how long i will have to wait until I get the Starter Kit, and how will my cousin have to prove that he works at BestBuy. Will they buy him a lot? Will he have to do anything special? Thanks.

[sniper308]

I placed my order yesterday at like 4:00 e.s.t. and it shipped this morning they never asked for any proof of where I worked or anything.

Did you get an email saying it shipped? I am unable to track my order on the website.

[equest943]

hey did anyone else have to pay tax for this? It was $36 with s&h then they added $3 for tax for me. Then I found out if I ordered with commercial shipping I could save a couple of bucks on s&h and tax. ?? I don't get it.

[Ledhed]

Careful guys, they WILL verify that you work at a qualifying retailer. Trust me, they'll find a way around you, so be careful.

[frenchmovietheme]

they haven't asked me yet and they already charged my card. not that i have anything to worry about... hell, i'll even fax them my paycheck stub with a coversheet from the store i work at (which is qualifying) while i'm on the job.

p.s. i got an email stating that "crimson skies" will be coming with the package instead of mech assault, and that it was an error in the system. so, for anyone wondering if they are getting mech assault or crimson skies, it's definently crimson skies.

[Ledhed]

I didn't necessarily mean they will verify before you order, and that's what is dangerous about this. That 6-8 weeks for delivery is to confirm your employment at an eligible retailer, and they can press charges against you if you order and aren't actually employed when you make the order. If you do work for an eligible retailer, though, you can order now and not be working there when they confirm it. They only verify that you were working there at the time you placed the order.

Still, this really shouldn't be on this site as it is not available to the public and has the potential to get people into alot of trouble, since it is basically illegal if you don't meet the employment requirements. Buyer beware on this one fellas.

P.S. I just got the MechAssault starter kit for $35 after shipping on ebay, so if you don't qualify for this, just stay away from this and bargain hunt on ebay. Please don't do anything stupid just to save a few bucks guys.

[JSweeney]

When and if JSweeny can pull him self away from sucking cock he's going to tell you all that even if It IS the evil empire,MicroSoft, it's not right to lie to get something not intended for you.

Apparently that's called for since I tell people things that should be common sense. Yep. I was sooooo burned.
Right.

[ajh2298]

I didn't necessarily mean they will verify before you order, and that's what is dangerous about this. That 6-8 weeks for delivery is to confirm your employment at an eligible retailer, and they can press charges against you if you order and aren't actually employed when you make the order. If you do work for an eligible retailer, though, you can order now and not be working there when they confirm it. They only verify that you were working there at the time you placed the order.

Still, this really shouldn't be on this site as it is not available to the public and has the potential to get people into alot of trouble, since it is basically illegal if you don't meet the employment requirements. Buyer beware on this one fellas.

P.S. I just got the MechAssault starter kit for $35 after shipping on ebay, so if you don't qualify for this, just stay away from this and bargain hunt on ebay. Please don't do anything stupid just to save a few bucks guys.

I ordered as soon as this deal was posted on Monday and my order shipped on Tuesday morning they never asked for any kind of proof of where I worked. I tried to send an e-mail to them after I ordered,(like 5 minutes later), to cancel my order and it shipped before they could cancel it.

[ajh2298]

I placed my order yesterday at like 4:00 e.s.t. and it shipped this morning they never asked for any proof of where I worked or anything.

Did you get an email saying it shipped? I am unable to track my order on the website.

I got two e-mails saying it shipped one from the Microsoft Sales site and then one from the MS PUP site, neither had a tracking number.

[eshbums]

can someone give me the freaking email add so i can talk to the Xbox people

salesdsk@microsoft.com

They reply within about a day or two. The guy that replied to my inquiry, Nick, did confirm that they ARE shipping Crimson Skies. Woo Hoo!

And yes, be prepared to prove you work for who you claim to work for. They may or may not ask for either a business card or paystub.

[JimmieMac]

I placed my order yesterday at like 4:00 e.s.t. and it shipped this morning they never asked for any proof of where I worked or anything.

Did you get an email saying it shipped? I am unable to track my order on the website.

I got two e-mails saying it shipped one from the Microsoft Sales site and then one from the MS PUP site, neither had a tracking number.

I got the same thing. Two emails a day later saying it was shipping. I just checked my card, billed. Just checked the UPS site with the tracking number, on it's way. It should be here Friday.

[JSweeney]

I wonder how many people that take advantage of this will be the ones that Drop out of Pandora Tommorow multiplayer games because they are losing.

My guess would be that it would be a fairly high percentage. I mean, if you can follow one set of rules on expected behavior, is it really that farfetched to believe you'd completely ignore another.

That's just what the game needs... more weasels to drop out after they start to lose, or if thier turn as spies or merc (depending on thier preferance) is over.

[JimmieMac]

I mean, if you can follow one set of rules on expected behavior, is it really that farfetched to believe you'd completely ignore another.

I'm not sure I follow, because, by this reasoning then anyone that doesn't work at an authorized retail chain and still takes advantage of this deal will,most likely kill someone or drink and drive.

[JSweeney]

That's taking it to absurd levels, but yes, such behavior does suggest a pronounced lack of empathy and/or fair play.

If someone is more likely to commit an act because it makes something easier or more convienent for them, they are more likely to fall into that behavior pattern for all acts.

Put into an extreme situations, they would be more likely to partake in the behavior that leads to the end states that you suggest.

People drive drunk because they put thier need to go somewhere above the saftey of the other drivers on the road.

People kill because they value thier desires and endgame more than the life of the other person.

[JimmieMac]

On a side note, if you were ever left scratching your head as to why I'm caustic to you, I'll tell you, it's because I tried to send you a PM wanting to discuss your theory on people who give burned games away for now dead systems, figuring that you are the most social/moral conscious character in our little play here and you would have the clearest head on the subject and we could have a friendly volley back and forth, away from the side comments and prying eyes of the other boards people. And what happened...

nothing.

You couldn't even say "Look dude, I don't like you, go away" or "I'm not really up for talking about it" Something to show me that you at least read it but decided it wasn't a path you wanted to go down.

So now, every time I see you post stuff like this I know it's not really "real", it's not how you really feel because if it was, you'd talk about it when there wasn't an audience. But instead all this soap box standing, high horse riding, moral grandstanding is just a big show for the other "good kids" out there.

[JSweeney]

On a side note, if you were ever left scratching your head as to why I'm caustic to you, I'll tell you, it's because I tried to send you a PM wanting to discuss your theory on people who give burned games away for now dead systems, figuring that you are the most social/moral conscious character in our little play here and you would have the clearest head on the subject and we could have a friendly volley back and forth, away from the side comments and prying eyes of the other boards people. And what happened...

nothing.

You couldn't even say "Look dude, I don't like you, go away" or "I'm not really up for talking about it" Something to show me that you at least read it but decided it wasn't a path you wanted to go down.

So now, every time I see you post stuff like this I know it's not really "real", it's not how you really feel because if it was, you'd talk about it when there wasn't an audience. But instead all this soap box standing, high horse riding, moral grandstanding is just a big show for the other "good kids" out there.

When did you send that? I don't see it in my inbox, and I've yet to delete any PMs out of my inbox. Of course, I've had my account set on auto-log in for a while, and now that my brother looks at the site as well, he would have just looked in my mailbox, not recognized your name and deleted it.


I'd be happy to have that discussion with you via PM's. In fact, I can even tell you right here. If you have any disagreements with this, or any further questions I'd be happy to deal with them via PM.

First, there is the legal issue.

It's illegal. There is no getting around that. It is piracy, and it can still hurt Sega because if someone burned a pirate copy of a game that Sega ported to a new system. Of course, the exact same thing could be said about the sale of a used dreamcast game sold by a videogame store...
so the ill of that issue is actually greatly diminished.

There's the moral issue.

It's wrong. You didn't pay for it, you didn't buy it.

Then there is the emotional issue.
Videogames are art. The dreamcast had a good number of great, well polished games that have just vanished into obscurity. Many of them had tiny intial runs due to a lack of interest, so game stores will charge an arm an a leg for a used copy.. but becuase of that, people don't get to see this great work of art. I see that as very much akin to copying an entire comic book, a piece of art, or an entire book... it goes beyond the boundaries of fair use, but it spreads the knowledge and love of the craft and the work to others. It's just a justification, much like any of the others, but this one does actually carry some weight with me on an emotional level.

[JimmieMac]

On a side note, if you were ever left scratching your head as to why I'm caustic to you, I'll tell you, it's because I tried to send you a PM wanting to discuss your theory on people who give burned games away for now dead systems, figuring that you are the most social/moral conscious character in our little play here and you would have the clearest head on the subject and we could have a friendly volley back and forth, away from the side comments and prying eyes of the other boards people. And what happened...

nothing.

You couldn't even say "Look dude, I don't like you, go away" or "I'm not really up for talking about it" Something to show me that you at least read it but decided it wasn't a path you wanted to go down.

So now, every time I see you post stuff like this I know it's not really "real", it's not how you really feel because if it was, you'd talk about it when there wasn't an audience. But instead all this soap box standing, high horse riding, moral grandstanding is just a big show for the other "good kids" out there.

When did you send that? I don't see it in my inbox, and I've yet to delete any PMs out of my inbox. Of course, I've had my account set on auto-log in for a while, and now that my brother looks at the site as well, he would have just looked in my mailbox, not recognized your name and deleted it.


I'd be happy to have that discussion with you via PM's. In fact, I can even tell you right here. If you have any disagreements with this, or any further questions I'd be happy to deal with them via PM.

First, there is the legal issue.

It's illegal. There is no getting around that. It is piracy, and it can still hurt Sega because if someone burned a pirate copy of a game that Sega ported to a new system. Of course, the exact same thing could be said about the sale of a used dreamcast game sold by a videogame store...
so the ill of that issue is actually greatly diminished.

There's the moral issue.

It's wrong. You didn't pay for it, you didn't buy it.

Then there is the emotional issue.
Videogames are art. The dreamcast had a good number of great, well polished games that have just vanished into obscurity. Many of them had tiny intial runs due to a lack of interest, so game stores will charge an arm an a leg for a used copy.. but becuase of that, people don't get to see this great work of art. I see that as very much akin to copying an entire comic book, a piece of art, or an entire book... it goes beyond the boundaries of fair use, but it spreads the knowledge and love of the craft and the work to others. It's just a justification, much like any of the others, but this one does actually carry some weight with me on an emotional level.

Points taken and noted.

I'm not sure what happened to the PM, I do know that it was sent and I check and saw it in my outbox,meaning you hadn't read it but then it was gone from there and never poked it's head out again.

I just think that with the surge in resale of used games it really does diminish the piracy aspect. Sega's already made their money from that one copy but in theory Ebgames could make their money over and over and over again on it as people play it and return it. But if I have a game and make a copy for a friend, for free, just so they can check it out and never resell it isn't that better for the "art" aspect of it?
If you made a game and it was available only for a short time, wouldn't you like to think that some where out there, 20 years from now there's a kid in Kansas telling his friend he HAS to play this old skool game he has a copy of, rather than having the kid have to search on Ebay.com and paying 200 dollars for it just because it's on original version?

Well, right or wrong it's all going to continue to happen, all anyone can do is make people more aware of what's wrong, like the church does with the fornicating teenagers.

Back on topic, if there was one, I don't drop out of games. I hate when it happens but dropping out of games and taking advantage of a deal that wasn't intended for me is two different things.

Consequence.

I say I work for Best Buy, I don't but I say I do, Microsoft finds out I don't, I don't get the deal. For some reason with these "exclusive deals" they take the burden of proof off of the individual. Why? I don't know. Is it easier for them? Maybe it is better to just assume that everyone who signs up is the working where they say they work. What happens if they ask for proof? I don't give it. Then what? Nothing. They send me a stern letter saying they could blah blah blah but in the end I took a shot and missed. They must not be too concerned about it if they don't have tighter security.

Now, why is this "exclusive retail deal" in effect? It's for employees at retail chains to be able to afford the Xbox Live experience and evangelize the service to others. So they're buying advertising. They are buying you with deep discounted subscriptions so you'll tell everyone how great Xbox Live is.

What about the individual user? I tell everyone that will listen how great the Xbox Live service is and how the Friends list for online gaming in one of the greatest steps forward in gaming we've seen in years. But what do I get for it? Nothing and that's fine,until I see a deal on the table that I could be part of. Just because I don't work for a chain doesn't mean I don't talk about Live, which is all they want you to do. They don't offer it to the general public, because as we've seen on this site and others, some people will take anything and resell it or buy it only because it's cheap. I don't feel as if I'm trying to rationalize my theft. I'm just showing why the deal was created and why I feel as if I should be included.

[godzilla123]

Ordered mine monday too and I have not received a "shipped" email yet. :(

[jt2k3]

You guys that dont actually work retail piss me off... I hope it does take 6-8 weeks for it to get to your houses, but it won't. It takes 8 days, max. I've ordered stuff from them before.

[JohnnyDrama]

Damn, I want to take advantage of this deal, but thanks to CAG, I've spent too much already. I finally see something where my Target employment pays off and I can't take advantage of it.

[Unassuming Local Guy]

When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system.

[jt2k3]

I've heard of it done, many, many times before. Don't think that they're not gonna catch you. cuz they do.

This was one of those deals that was only available to certain people, but some people just can't handle that... The fleecing of America, I guess....

[Ledhed]

This was one of those deals that was only available to certain people, but some people just can't handle that... The fleecing of America, I guess....

My point exactly as to why this shouldn't be on this website. Sorry to all of you that don't work for a participating retailer, but you are gonna fuck up these deals for the people who can honestly say they qualify for it. It does not exist so that you may take advantage of it. And in my opinion, the risk of even losing my money, let alone being pressed with charges of fraud, is more than enough to keep me away from this kind of thing if it is not intended for me. I really hope noone gets in trouble, but if you do, then you had it coming.

[JSweeney]

Self importance and lack of empathy are all to common of traits these days, I'm afraid.

The people that are doing it to get the service cheaper I can understand.. I don't agree with it, but I understand thier motives.

The people that are doing it, and trying to convince themselves and others to do it and that it is right to do just don't make sense to me. By drawing others into your scheme, you not only increase the chances of you getting caught, but you also dramatically increase the chances of you not getting what you want in the first place..

Do you think Microsoft is really that dumb that they won't notice a sudden spike in the number of people signing up for a promo? Don't you think that will raise a couple red flags for them, and lead them to earmark a couple of submissions during that questionable time period?

I mean, this "deal" has been on two major deal sites and who knows how many other "game related" message boards...though Microsoft likely did brisk trade on this promo before, there would have to be a bump in the number of submissions just based on what has been posted in this thread.

[doraemonkerpal]

here's another deal from circuit city if you don't want to try this one:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=148135#148135

[englishboy]

When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system.

What joke. Do this or not--it's up to you. I didn't. But "They also claim they can prosecute"? Um, not in this country. Impersonating a Kmart employee still isn't a crime here. Not the last time I checked. LOL.

[Valkryst]

"When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system."

Go to the site http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/
No where on the coressponding pages does it say its only available to retail employees.

The home link takes you to the same page and the legal link takes you to microsoft's legal page.

If someone were to pass you the link *hint hint* how would you know that it was for employees only?

the store line could be interpreted as the store you frequently shop at and the "retail" in the webaddress would signify that its a "retail" product.

I am very careful when it comes to sketchy stuff and I read through everything linking the site and in no way or form does it say you have to be an employee before ordering.

[jt2k3]

the store line could be interpreted as the store you frequently shop at and the "retail" in the webaddress would signify that its a "retail" product.

I am very careful when it comes to sketchy stuff and I read through everything linking the site and in no way or form does it say you have to be an employee before ordering.

You people are rediculous... As much as I love this site it has bred a new breed of gamer, and its getting really sickening.

Right... it doesnt say which store you work at because, duh. of course. Microsoft just wants to give software, the only way they make money off the Xbox practically, to any jackass shmuck who walks into a Best Buy everyday to see if he can get a game for $4.99. The deal was not meant for you, deal with it. For crying out loud its like me taking a piece of poster board, writing Fry's on it, and taping it over the neon lights in front of my KB, stepping back, and saying this is Frys. Now I can pricematch the Weekend sales that are on teh West coast, mainly due to the fact that this is the East Coast, and I have no Frys. Yes.. i'll be a jackass and say. Well, the sign in front of the store says Frys... So it must be a Frys, and therefore must have the same price as a Frys.

So, to all of you that live here on the East Coast, I propose that if you condone this, start walking around with a Frys posterboard, and taping it to the front of the store, because "the sign outside says nothing about this not being a Frys. Or, better yet, since you want retail perks so much, just go into a store and demand employee discount. Hell, where does it say that you need to be an employee to use that? An employee discount just is the same value of the price that employees of a retail chain get off of the product that they sell!

Amazing, you guys have opened up a new world of cheap ass possibilities for me. I dont know how to thank you.. other than say pray that Cheapy starts doing random IQ tests to people that come to this site and abuse the deals that he posts, because it really is getting re-goddamn-diculous.

[eshbums]

"When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system."

Go to the site http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/
No where on the coressponding pages does it say its only available to retail employees.

The home link takes you to the same page and the legal link takes you to microsoft's legal page.

If someone were to pass you the link *hint hint* how would you know that it was for employees only?

the store line could be interpreted as the store you frequently shop at and the "retail" in the webaddress would signify that its a "retail" product.

I am very careful when it comes to sketchy stuff and I read through everything linking the site and in no way or form does it say you have to be an employee before ordering.

Keep up the great rationalization work...you'll be a great alcoholic some day!

I received my shipping confirmation a few minutes ago (UPS). And before the pious start ranting about stealing, I do qualify for this promotion, ordered right off the link that was emailed to me by Microsoft.

I work for the home office of a retail chain, so I'm not on the "front lines", but I agree with jt2k3...the perks of working in a retail store can sometimes be few and far between, and it's nice when a vendor like MS recognizes this and throws a bone every once in a while.

I feel your pain jt2k3!

[JimmieMac]

"When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system."

Go to the site http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/
No where on the coressponding pages does it say its only available to retail employees.

The home link takes you to the same page and the legal link takes you to microsoft's legal page.

If someone were to pass you the link *hint hint* how would you know that it was for employees only?

the store line could be interpreted as the store you frequently shop at and the "retail" in the webaddress would signify that its a "retail" product.

I am very careful when it comes to sketchy stuff and I read through everything linking the site and in no way or form does it say you have to be an employee before ordering.

Keep up the great rationalization work...you'll be a great alcoholic some day!

I received my shipping confirmation a few minutes ago (UPS). And before the pious start ranting about stealing, I do qualify for this promotion, ordered right off the link that was emailed to me by Microsoft.

I work for the home office of a retail chain, so I'm not on the "front lines", but I agree with jt2k3...the perks of working in a retail store can sometimes be few and far between, and it's nice when a vendor like MS recognizes this and throws a bone every once in a while.

I feel your pain jt2k3!

They're not being "thrown a bone" and you, head office man, should know that, unless you're some sort of summer intern and havn't learned the ABCs of marketing yet. You think Microsoft is giving something for nothing you are out of your mind.

They're giving the deep discount so people ,who will be on thr front lines to talk about the product, can afford it. They know the kids at Gamestop are broke and may not buy a subscription normally so they are stuffing them into their hands so they call tell all the potential customers they see everyday how great XBox Live is.

You thinking Microsoft is giving something for almost nothing is almost humorous. Almost.

[AlanSaysYo]

It really should be as simple at this: if you didn't get an e-mail, you shouldn't use the site. Period.

[eshbums]

"When I was doing the quizzes they tell you if they find out you do NO work at a qualified retailer they won't ship the games and won't reverse the charges. To get the charges reversed you have to call them up and deal with it that way. They also claim they can prosecute anyone who tries to "cheat" the system."

Go to the site http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/
No where on the coressponding pages does it say its only available to retail employees.

The home link takes you to the same page and the legal link takes you to microsoft's legal page.

If someone were to pass you the link *hint hint* how would you know that it was for employees only?

the store line could be interpreted as the store you frequently shop at and the "retail" in the webaddress would signify that its a "retail" product.

I am very careful when it comes to sketchy stuff and I read through everything linking the site and in no way or form does it say you have to be an employee before ordering.

Keep up the great rationalization work...you'll be a great alcoholic some day!

I received my shipping confirmation a few minutes ago (UPS). And before the pious start ranting about stealing, I do qualify for this promotion, ordered right off the link that was emailed to me by Microsoft.

I work for the home office of a retail chain, so I'm not on the "front lines", but I agree with jt2k3...the perks of working in a retail store can sometimes be few and far between, and it's nice when a vendor like MS recognizes this and throws a bone every once in a while.

I feel your pain jt2k3!

They're not being "thrown a bone" and you, head office man, should know that, unless you're some sort of summer intern and havn't learned the ABCs of marketing yet. You think Microsoft is giving something for nothing you are out of your mind.

They're giving the deep discount so people ,who will be on thr front lines to talk about the product, can afford it. They know the kids at Gamestop are broke and may not buy a subscription normally so they are stuffing them into their hands so they call tell all the potential customers they see everyday how great XBox Live is.

You thinking Microsoft is giving something for almost nothing is almost humorous. Almost.


I know they're not doing this out of the kindness of their heart. Not only are they getting products in the hands of the people that can make sales for them, but they're also increasing their customer base for their service, so six months from now they can advertise "a million users worldwide". MS isn't doing this for the sheer joy of giving, it's a marketing tool and nothing else. "Throwing a bone" implied something that retail employees can take advantage of, like their employee discount, or the PUP program through Microsoft. It can be rough working retail sometimes, but taking advantage of discounts and training is a nice perk.

[Romeo]

It really should be as simple at this: if you didn't get an e-mail, you shouldn't use the site. Period.

I got the e-mail, and I can't believe this is all over the internet. I hope that whoever signed up for it and doesn't qualify gets prosecuted.

[thatstoobad]

It really should be as simple at this: if you didn't get an e-mail, you shouldn't use the site. Period.

no, it should be as simple as this: if you can't legitimately order the item based on the businesses they listed in the drop down menu on the site, then you shouldn't be using this deal

if it was only intended for those who received the email, they wouldn't allow other people who did not receive the email to order. obviously, microsoft had the intentions of allowing people who work at the given businesses the option of ordering the products at half price, otherwise they would have made it so it wasn't possible.

[jt2k3]

Right.. but those people are still legally, and ethically, eligable for the deal, so thats no biggie. If you sell Microsoft products, then you should be signed up for the retail site though. Also, only people on the Retail Training List got the emails. I still have to put my info in when I sign up for the deal, even tho i've ordered numerous games from the site in the past.

[Ledhed]

CheapyD, if you are reading this, please, please, please remove this deal/topic from your site. I love bargain hunting as much as anyone on this site, but this type of thing should not be advertised to those that are not eligible. Please don't ever post any deals that aren't intended for public use.

And all of you silly people who are trying to rearrange the fine print on these offers to somehow justify your use of something that is clearly not for your consumption, just stop whining about how you should be allowed to participiate as well. Swallow your pride/enormous egos and use some of that money that this site works so hard to make sure you don't waste and pay for a Starter Kit if you need one that badly. I just got one off ebay with everything in the retail site one (swap crimson skies for mechassault) for $35, which is exactly how much the microsoft retail site deal is after shipping. Just shop around and please don't screw the honest people out of this deal.

[frenchmovietheme]

maybe you got your deal off ebay from someone who scammed microsoft in this deal. SEE!

but seriously though, i qualify for this deal, and had no idea that it was around before cheapy posted it. should i not be alerted of it? it's not your job to police the people ordering. microsoft will deal with them in due time, eventually it'll catch up to them. relax, enjoy your XBL subscription, and leave personal choices like this up to each individual.

keep em comin cheapy!

[longislandlady]

Darn! My sister works for Microsoft and I'm positive that she'd have no problems getting this for me. But I don't have an Xbox and I'm not going to go out and buy one just for this. :(

[stealthshadow]

Do you have to be part the Microsoft Training Program to be eligible to buy this game from Microsoft, or can any normal employee buy this? I e-mailed Microsoft about this, and I am waiting for a response.

[Romeo]

You can do it stealth as long as you're a MS retailer.

[Ledhed]

it's not your job to police the people ordering. microsoft will deal with them in due time, eventually it'll catch up to them. relax, enjoy your XBL subscription, and leave personal choices like this up to each individual.

keep em comin cheapy!

I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to John Wayne everyone, I just want to make sure that people like you and me, people who actually qualify for the service, will still have this service available in the future. If Microsoft sees enough people taking advantage of the offer, they may decide to not continue the personal use program at all. Gamestop is about to lower our employee discount (again) because too many people abused it by letting their friends use it, etc. I just don't want to be deprived of a service designed for me and those like me in consequence to someone else's ignorant and irresponsible actions.

[Teremei]

I own a legitamite home retail, do I qualify for this? I supposed I could just try it myself and see, but I hate creating passwords for sites/forums I never intend to use. Heh.

[rodeojones903]

Very lame that this wasnt removed. CAG for the first time have lowered themselves to the trash that is Fatwallet.

[frenchmovietheme]

I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to John Wayne everyone, I just want to make sure that people like you and me, people who actually qualify for the service, will still have this service available in the future. If Microsoft sees enough people taking advantage of the offer, they may decide to not continue the personal use program at all. Gamestop is about to lower our employee discount (again) because too many people abused it by letting their friends use it, etc. I just don't want to be deprived of a service designed for me and those like me in consequence to someone else's ignorant and irresponsible actions.

well, we can all understand that. the sad fact is there are always going to be dishonest people, and there is next to nothing we can do about that. whether or not cheapy takes this down is irrelevent. it's on fatwallet, other websites, etc. i agree its pretty crappy when people who don't qualify end up going for this deal, but hopefully MS will wise-up and ask for proof of employment.

[cdancause]

Does anyone actually think that Microsoft is as concerned about this as some of these people are? Give me a break. NEWS FLASH...They don't care! All they care about is getting as many people on board as possible before Xbox 2 rolls out.
Have you guys even seen the retail site? I don't think anyone is any more knowledgeable about their products after taking their quizes. It's all about getting everyone to love Microsoft and have no feelings toward Sony.

[jt2k3]

Does anyone actually think that Microsoft is as concerned about this as some of these people are? Give me a break. NEWS FLASH...They don't care! All they care about is getting as many people on board as possible before Xbox 2 rolls out.
Have you guys even seen the retail site? I don't think anyone is any more knowledgeable about their products after taking their quizes. It's all about getting everyone to love Microsoft and have no feelings toward Sony.

Have you ever seen the retail site? They dont have unlimited quantities of stuff to give out. And, so what if the quizzes don't help taht much. They aren't there to convert you away from your holy lands, they are there for... NEWS FLASH.... RETAIL EMPLOYEES to better understand the product that they are selling for Microsoft, instead of just blindly saying XX about X game. And, getting free games and promo stuff out of it is just Microsofts way of giving back. Of course they care if people are piggy backing off of them. If they wanted just any jackass to get any game that they wanted for free... guess what.

They would be free. Its not to get joe schmoe on board for Xbox 2, its to get retailers hyped about the Xbox, and thus the consumers.

[master_evil]

Humm, this is a tricy website. M$ DOES CHECK if you work for any of those retail stores. Read somewher that 1 guy did all the trainning and chose the prizes with his reward points and he got charged for them. They ask you for your credit card to cover the shipping right ? If you do get it then you are lucky, but I wouldn't want to save just a few bucks just to go to prison or get prosecuted by M$ or the US Government for lying about something. Remeber, what goes around, comes around. We all live in a small world after all.

[godzilla123]

:lol: :lol: "go to prison." thats the funniest one I heard all day. :lol:

[Indiana]

Why do the other retail folks care if non-retail people buy it? If Microsoft cared they would have better security on their site. Microsoft does not care!!! $35 a piece is more than their cost! This is just a way for Microsoft to sell it to the cosumer for the same price they sell it to Retail stores.... It's the retail stores that care not Microsoft and that is why they do not sell everything on their website.

[cdancause]

Have you ever seen the retail site? They dont have unlimited quantities of stuff to give out. And, so what if the quizzes don't help taht much. They aren't there to convert you away from your holy lands, they are there for... NEWS FLASH.... RETAIL EMPLOYEES to better understand the product that they are selling for Microsoft, instead of just blindly saying XX about X game.

Thats all well and good in theory but the reality of it that anyone that works at those stores can do it, and that means it might as well be any Joe Shmoe. What's the point of giving the security people free games...I don't think that is going to impact the customer but under this program it is 100% legit for them to do that. If you go to the other Microsoft retail sites they require much more information for you to be able to participate in the program. I mean how hard would it be for one of the Microsoft reps to give give the management a set number of reference codes to let employees use. Then the stores could let only those that are selling the games participate. Do they do that for the Xbox...NOPE. Why? Because they just want to pump games out so everyone loves them. They just are not very concerned with who is getting these things as long as someone is and they are not bad mouthing them.

And the quantities on the site are basically unlimited since they are always replacing the items when they run out (for almost everything). [/quote]

[JSweeney]

Yeah! Just what Xbox Live needs! MORE ASSHOLES!!
:)

[Romeo]

Why is this still here? :/

[JSweeney]

Because it is technically a valid deal, and CheapyD knows that. The way people are exploiting it is on it's face invalid, but that doesn't change the fact that the deal itself is valid.

The deal is not at fault.
Blaming the deal would be like blaming the gun when someone gets shot.

[cdancause]

Don't people here jump on pricing errors at retailers? Is this really any different? Some people are getting something they shouldn't. If it works, then it works. If it doesn't then it doesn't.

[Valkryst]

"I wouldn't want to save just a few bucks just to go to prison or get prosecuted by M$ or the US Government for lying about something. Remeber, what goes around, comes around. "

LOL Nowhere on the entire site does it say it is limited to retail employees only.

It only asks for a "store" out of the blue. No context or explanation so I chose one.

And my order for 2 cards and a xbox live (crimson skies) package shipped out yesterday.

[tholly]

i ordered this...but i wanna know whether anyone knows if it comes with mech warrior or crimson skies considering the email i got has mech on it, but the site says crimson skies

[Valkryst]

Hmm you're right..

"Xbox Live kit w Mech 1 $29.99"

Either way I'll be happy, but I think its crimson.

Someone else emailed M$ and they said mech was the old deal and it needed to be corrected.

[tholly]

im hoping for mech, but either way, its a great deal

[Indiana]

It comes with Crimson skies... you will get a receipt in a few days saying it shipped with Crimson skies.

[tholly]

It comes with Crimson skies... you will get a receipt in a few days saying it shipped with Crimson skies.

my confirmation email also said mech on it, but since everyone is saying crimson skies, chances are thats what im getting

[JSweeney]

Don't people here jump on pricing errors at retailers? Is this really any different? Some people are getting something they shouldn't. If it works, then it works. If it doesn't then it doesn't.

Nope. Competely different. There is no TOS or Rules of Use that dicate that people cannot order large numbers of copies of a game that has a mismarked price in a site's database. There is a clearly dicated Rules of Use to the Microsoft site. If you're a thief, so be it... a couple of words from me won't change that.... but don't go around making incorrect corrections and saying that this "deal" is legit.

[JSweeney]

"I wouldn't want to save just a few bucks just to go to prison or get prosecuted by M$ or the US Government for lying about something. Remeber, what goes around, comes around. "

LOL Nowhere on the entire site does it say it is limited to retail employees only.

It only asks for a "store" out of the blue. No context or explanation so I chose one.

And my order for 2 cards and a xbox live (crimson skies) package shipped out yesterday.

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You were saying?
Try reading the whole site before you go spouting your mouth off and making incorrect corrections.

[Morpheus]

I didn't take advantage of this deal, but I did look around to see what others were saying about: nothing says that you have to be a retail employee for this one. Its kind of odd that I can't find anything that says that you do. On the tests for free games/points it clearly says that you have to be a part of a retail store, which makes this deal really weird. It doesn't even ask to fill out the long form for joining the retail team. Weird, weird, weird. I also noticed that even if people are scamming, Microsoft is still getting a nice chunk of money and that's without dealing with retailers/shipping. Anyway, I say good luck to the guys taking chances, because I think nothing will happen (99% sure of that).

-Morpheus

Darn it for posting right after that huge post!!! =P Oh well. I still hardly doubt they will go after anybody since they are getting money. lol

[JSweeney]

I didn't take advantage of this deal, but I did look around to see what others were saying about: nothing says that you have to be a retail employee for this one.

Thank you for using this Microsoft Retail Training web site at retail.microsoft.com/retail/training ("Site"). This Site is provided by Microsoft Corporation ("Microsoft") and it is part of the microsoft.com family of web sites. Your activities at this Site are governed by the Terms of Use for the microsoft.com web site ("Master Site") and by this Site's Terms of Use, which by this reference; incorporate all of the Master Site Terms of Use. Please read the Master Site Terms of Use and this Site's Terms of Use; collectively they govern your use of this Site, including the training activities and sweepstakes available at this Site from time to time, and constitute your agreement with Microsoft as amended from time to time ("Agreement").

Purpose of this Site. This Site is only available to sales associates who are employees of a retailer authorized by Microsoft to offer Microsoft products and services in the United States ("Authorized Retailer"). If you have any questions about your eligibility to access and use this Site, please confirm that your employer is an Authorized Retailer in the drop down menu on the My Profile page in this Site. No other person is authorized to use this Site.

I swear, most of you just can't read that well can you? It explicitly states:
If you have any questions about your eligibility to access and use this Site, please confirm that your employer is an Authorized Retailer in the drop down menu on the My Profile page in this Site. No other person is authorized to use this Site

Just because some tool made a direct link to the deal doesn't mean that the Terms of Use doesn't apply.


Its kind of odd that I can't find anything that says that you do.
If you have any questions about your eligibility to access and use this Site, please confirm that your employer is an Authorized Retailer in the drop down menu on the My Profile page in this Site. No other person is authorized to use this Site

Funny, it says it right there.




On the tests for free games/points it clearly says that you have to be a part of a retail store, which makes this deal really weird. It doesn't even ask to fill out the long form for joining the retail team. Weird, weird, weird. I also noticed that even if people are scamming, Microsoft is still getting a nice chunk of money and that's without dealing with retailers/shipping. Anyway, I say good luck to the guys taking chances, because I think nothing will happen (99% sure of that).

Maybe it's because the tool who orginally posted this to fatwallet gave a direct link, and the people taking advantage of it realize what they are doing, or are just too dumb to seek out the terms of use for the site.

[Morpheus]

JSweeney, if you weren't so hot-tempered you would have noticed at the bottom of my post that I had edited it to add that I hadn't seen your reply because I was to busy posting. It doesn't say it like that but this gets the main jist across: "Darn it for posting right after that huge post!!! =P Oh well. I still hardly doubt they will go after anybody since they are getting money. lol". I don't know why it doesn't say that I edited it though. =( Bad timing for my original post though. :lol:

-Morpheus

BTW I don't know many people who actually read the terms of use before ordering something. I guess the majority of us are idiots.

After Edit: Plus, call me a double idiot because you really have to dig deep from that link posted by CheapyD to find those exact terms of use. Its like a freaking maze getting to them.

[stealthshadow]

I just got the reply from Microsoft about my question to them. They said that you absolutely MUST work for a retailer that is on the drop down list, but you don't have to be part of the Retail Training Program. So I am set, when my cousin comes over I will order this.

[Maynard]

i already get all that shit for free go to this website and you can take quizs on the games for free games, that's how i get half of my games, microsoft sends them to me :P

http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xbox/

sign in register choose your store and boom
you get free xbox stuff

meynerd love me

[souNReAL]

I dont give a fuck. I dont work for any retail company, but im still cashing in on this deal, and whatever free products M$ wants to give me.

C'mon Xbox Live with a game for $30. HOW I CAN PASS THIS UP!?!?!

[benboxer]

whoa...guess what I found on my doorstep today...the XBox Live kit after just about two days!!! I was not affiliated with any of the retail companies listed and thought it would take about 6 to 8 weeks. Damn I'm having the best luck lately. I just managed to get the XBox Halo bundle and Ninja Gaiden at Game Rush using Rogue Ops before the trade in price dropped and now I got XBox Live for 29.99. Thank you CAGs worldwide!!!

[JSweeney]

That's fine, but don't think that you aren't a damn thief. I can deal with things like that when people admit that it is theft, but when they try to justify it is when I get pissed off.

I've given up believing that most people here have any inate sense of honor, decency or fair play, and that more often than not you're dealing with the vile, disgusting dregs of society. That's the kind of behaviour you'd expect from them, and to expect any less would be naive.

[jt2k3]

Yeah I told you guys its doesnt take 6-8 weeks, lol.

[stripespbj]

I work at an EB. I told a friend about this site, and it worked for him. he tried signing up his g/f (who lived at the same address) and they got billed and got nothing in return.

[Valkryst]

JSweeney I was saying that there is no link to that page you posted from the page cheapy posted.

A legal page only applies to the products listed and visa versa.

Since that legal page isn't listed on the site I ordered my xbox starter kit from it doesn't apply. (my stepmom is a business lawyer and I just asked her)

[Minger]

good, because i just ordered one...:D

[JSweeney]

If your step mother really is a lawyer, and she actually did tell you that, she isn't a very good lawyer, and if she ever told a client that she deserves to be sued for malpractice.

To even get into the retail site, you must register, and submit a password to enter a secured area.
Doing that you must adhere to these rules:

MEMBER ACCOUNT, PASSWORD, AND SECURITY.
If any of the Services requires you to open an account, you must complete the registration process by providing us with current, complete and accurate information as prompted by the applicable registration form. You also will choose a password and a user name. You are entirely responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your password and account. Furthermore, you are entirely responsible for any and all activities that occur under your account. You agree to notify Microsoft immediately of any unauthorized use of your account or any other breach of security. Microsoft will not be liable for any loss that you may incur as a result of someone else using your password or account, either with or without your knowledge. However, you could be held liable for losses incurred by Microsoft or another party due to someone else using your account or password. You may not use anyone else's account at any time, without the permission of the account holder.

Top of page
NO UNLAWFUL OR PROHIBITED USE.
As a condition of your use of the Services, you will not use the Services for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these terms, conditions, and notices. You may not use the Services in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair any Microsoft server, or the network(s) connected to any Microsoft server, or interfere with any other party's use and enjoyment of any Services. You may not attempt to gain unauthorized access to any Services, other accounts, computer systems or networks connected to any Microsoft server or to any of the Services, through hacking, password mining or any other means. You may not obtain or attempt to obtain any materials or information through any means not intentionally made available through the Services.


That information right there is from the Legal link on that specific page.

Considering that the page is linked to by an outside user (thus deviating from the intented site flow and giving you access to an area you do not have the credentials to enter) makes any claim you make on it's face false because you are violating Microsoft.com's terms of use to gain access to that page.

Of course, you agree to any of the Terms of Use whenever you use the Microsoft site, and since http://retail.microsoft.com has a specific Terms of Use that dictates the use of the retail.microsoft.com site, you tacitly agree to adhere to said terms as a condition of your use of the site.
Microsoft cannot and would not be held accountable for you deviating from the expected flow of the site. Just as a matter of technological fact, you must go through http://retail.microsoft.com to reach http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/.

You can't gain an illegal benefit because someone else violated the rules. That is entirely against the entire spirit of the law.

It's a moot point because I doubt Microsoft will go hunt down all these people, but the fact that a supposed proffession makes such comments worries me.



To state it in a very cliche way, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".

[jeffreyjrose]

Hey everyone, when contemplating whether or not to order this, just remember your integrity.

[Ledhed]

I think it should be obvious to begin with that this site is intended for retailers only, and no amount of denial or self-justification will change that.

A legal page only applies to the products listed and visa versa.

Since that legal page isn't listed on the site I ordered my xbox starter kit from it doesn't apply.

Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Same goes for that supposed legal expert stepmother of yours. Do not pass GO, do not collect illegally-acquired merchandise. Go to jail, you joke of a thief.

[Valkryst]

LoL great replies.

If it the site ( http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/ ) was built where you have to
pass the disclaimer stating the policy, then you'd be correct.

It doesn't.

A direct link will let you order a product for a given price.

That is a legally binding contract with no disclaimer therefore microsoft is required
by federal law to honor it.

I can scan the business law pages on contracts if you'd like, I still have the textbook from last qtr.

Edit:
If ms had displayed the disclaimer during the order I would have recognized it.

As of now, their policy has a flaw, which is why my order shipped out a couple days ago.

BTW that legal link is a link to microsoft's entire legal section, not the retail section.
Every policy listed under that link does NOT apply to the retail site.

A vendor must display any valid limitations or disclaimers before allowing the purchase of a limited product.

period.


***************************
The obvious fix would be to only allow registered & verified users to purchase the product.
Thus making a secure site where a direct link wouldn't function.

atm: ANYONE CAN ACCESS IT making the site PUBLIC.

Current Internet laws state if anyone can access a site, it is considered public.
***************************

So we have a public site offering a product with no disclaimer of limitations.

It is valid, it is legal, and microsoft will eventually fix it.

[Valkryst]

Oh yeah and here's another little except from their legal page:

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION.
Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.




Again, it was not "otherwise specified"
I.E. no disclaimer on the public http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/ site.

I will have fun using the [Service] for [my] personal and non-commercial use.

[Ledhed]

[quote="Valkryst"]Oh yeah and here's another little except from their legal page:

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION.
Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.
quote]

This is only detailing what it is to be used for, NOT THE MEANS OF WHICH IT IS OBTAINED. Stop trying to sound smart. You're failing terribly.

[cdancause]

OK, I just went through the whole ordering process myself doing everything but placing the final order and didn't see anything that makes this deal seem like the criminal act some people are making it out to be.

As far as I can tell, it's just crappy site design on Microsofts part if they really did want to limit this to just retail employees. And I now believe more then ever that this is the exact same as taking advantage of pricing errors. When you do both of these things, everyone knows they are not supposed to be getting the deal they are trying for...but they try anyway!

And lets face it, this deal has been up for a while now. Thousands of people have taken advantage of it...probably thousands that don't work at retail stores. Do you idiots really think they are not aware of it? Have they taken it down or even changed it? NO.

So stop crying about it and let them handle it. Hell, every time you guys post another "Your a bad man"/"You have no morals" post, you're just bumping this bad boy back to the top of the pile for even more people to see it.
Feel free to reply to this though. My buddy is getting back from Europe today and if this is at the top then I'm sure he would love to take advantage of it!

[JSweeney]

[quote="Valkryst"]LoL great replies.

If it the site ( http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/ ) was built where you have to
pass the disclaimer stating the policy, then you'd be correct.

It doesn't.

You were given a link by another that puts onto the public internet a link not meant for public consumption. You are not allowed to gain illicit benefit from misdeeds of others. There is a link to the Master terms of service there, and such cases are

A direct link will let you order a product for a given price.

Which you must fraudulently state a position at a retailer to get. Your legal footing is EXTREMELY TENOUS, as you must rely on at least one act of misrepresentation, and that is after having been given a link not intented for public consumption.

That is a legally binding contract with no disclaimer therefore microsoft is required
by federal law to honor it.

Microsoft has full latitude over everything on its site. You should read the disclaimers on thier site. Thanks to the wording, they have full latitude over just about everything they offer. By the way, a legal binding contract cannot be made if one of the parties is involved in fraud or misrepresentation to gain access to said contract. I'd love to see anyone argue that Microsoft must honor this when the person fraudulently states a connection to an authorized retailer to gain access to the order form.

I can scan the business law pages on contracts if you'd like, I still have the textbook from last qtr.

Try reading the rules and regs. on Microsofts page first. Your arguing a losing proposition.

Edit:
If ms had displayed the disclaimer during the order I would have recognized it.

To get to the order you must pass a dropdown asking for an affilated retailer. You commited an act of fraud to even get to the order form. Anything accessed after that put you on no better footing than if you were a hacker.

As of now, their policy has a flaw, which is why my order shipped out a couple days ago.

BTW that legal link is a link to microsoft's entire legal section, not the retail section.
Every policy listed under that link does NOT apply to the retail site.

That is the Master Terms of Service link. IT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING ON THE MICROSOFT.COM DOMAIN.


A vendor must display any valid limitations or disclaimers before allowing the purchase of a limited product.

They do. But you just used an unauthorized link to gain access and then use fraud to circumvent the system which is used to authenticate the people who are allowed to partake in said deal.

period.

Nope. I'd love to see you go argue that. It's in the normal site flow, and to gain access to the site in the intended manner you must LOG IN and pass throw the retail homepage to reach that site. Just because Microsoft has a hole in it's security doesn't give you the right to reap illlict gains from it.




***************************
The obvious fix would be to only allow registered & verified users to purchase the product.
Thus making a secure site where a direct link wouldn't function.

atm: ANYONE CAN ACCESS IT making the site PUBLIC.

Current Internet laws state if anyone can access a site, it is considered public.

You still must commit an act of fraud or misrepresentation to gain access to the order form.


***************************

So we have a public site offering a product with no disclaimer of limitations.

Your wrong. The rules set forth by the master terms of use and the retail site's terms of use sit apply. You agree to a defacto acceptance of these terms to even use thier site.

It is valid, it is legal, and microsoft will eventually fix it.
Wrong. You still can't weasel around the act of misrepresentation and/or fraud.

[JSweeney]

OK, I just went through the whole ordering process myself doing everything but placing the final order and didn't see anything that makes this deal seem like the criminal act some people are making it out to be.
With the exception of the part where you must select an authorized retailer that you work for to gain access to the order form.

As far as I can tell, it's just crappy site design on Microsofts part if they really did want to limit this to just retail employees.

Yes, it is. They should have made it part of a secure area. That doesn't mean that people aren't misrepresenting themselves to gain the deal.


And I now believe more then ever that this is the exact same as taking advantage of pricing errors. When you do both of these things, everyone knows they are not supposed to be getting the deal they are trying for...but they try anyway!

Nope, because when you buy on pricing errors, you aren't misrepresenting themselves or commiting fraud.


And lets face it, this deal has been up for a while now. Thousands of people have taken advantage of it...probably thousands that don't work at retail stores. Do you idiots really think they are not aware of it? Have they taken it down or even changed it? NO.

Nope, but I have a feeling that the might be tightening down on sending out the product. If not, they're just going to let it all site in an effort to bolster the number of users of Xbox Live even further.


So stop crying about it and let them handle it. Hell, every time you guys post another "Your a bad man"/"You have no morals" post, you're just bumping this bad boy back to the top of the pile for even more people to see it.

I don't care if they take advantage of it. That's their perogative.
I just don't want them post on here that it is a correct, right, or 100% legal thing to do.


Feel free to reply to this though. My buddy is getting back from Europe today and if this is at the top then I'm sure he would love to take advantage of it!

Yep, just like I said before. This is getting Xbox Live just what it needs. A couple more assholes. It will be real fun when all these people get online and just start dropping out of games when they start losing.

[cdancause]

Yep, just like I said before. This is getting Xbox Live just what it needs. A couple more assholes. It will be real fun when all these people get online and just start dropping out of games when they start losing.

That's not very nice. :(

Just because some people love a bargain (and really, who doesn't) doesn't make them an asshole.

With the exception of the part where you must select an authorized retailer that you work for to gain access to the order form.

All it really says is "Store". Not "You must work at one of these stores". Sure, almost all of us know what that means but are you really in so much denial that you can't see they left themselves open to some abuse here?
As for all the nice quotes you gave from the retail site...yep they are all on there for the training portion of the site, but NOT for this offer. Sooooo, what's your point again?

[JSweeney]

That's not very nice. :(

No it isn't. Unfortunately, it's likely to be true. Increasing the user base will always introduce more assholes to the environment, but using an exploit that requires misrepresentation to get a cheap price suggests a greater leaning towards the way of the asshole in those partaking in this deal.

Just because some people love a bargain (and really, who doesn't) doesn't make them an asshole.

This is not a bargain, however. You are exploiting a system, and since you tacitly agree to the terms of the site as a condition of using it, you are misrepresenting yourself and perhaps even comitting fraud.



All it really says is "Store". Not "You must work at one of these stores". Sure, almost all of us know what that means but are you really in so much denial that you can't see they left themselves open to some abuse here?

I know they left themselves open for expoit here. If people said they were just doing it because they were a cheap cared more about thier money that following rules, that is one thing.
I can't stand the fact that people are trying to justify thier theft because Microsoft left the site unsecured. That's like saying it's ok to go into a store and steal videogames because they are locked up in a case.


As for all the nice quotes you gave from the retail site...yep they are all on there for the training portion of the site, but NOT for this offer. Sooooo, what's your point again?

Most of the qoutes are from the master terms of use, which are located on every page.... even the page you first look at about this deal.
On top of it, the qoutes from the retail page are those that you tacitly agree to as a condition of your use of the retail.microsoft.com site... including the page that the deal was on. Just because it's not listed on that site doesn't mean that you don't agree to it when using that site.

[Valkryst]

Wow jsweeney...

If you expect to make a counterargument please, pay attention to the original point I make.

After that reply, I noticed that you fall into the logical fallacies of: either/or reasoning, ad hominem, ad populum, and the most obvious political trap a red herring.

I was hoping for an discussion with someone that would use logic above all else, instead you create irrational replies to my points.
When taken in context of my original statement, you're replies address very little and instead repeat what you've already said.

*clap*

this discussion will go nowhere if you don't do any more critial thinking and instead regurgitate what's already been said over 7 pages.

I looked it up in my textbook, asked 3 lawyers (my stepmom, on of her friends and my college professor). All three were in agreement with me.

I have the expert witnesses, what do you have to bring to the table?

Oh and the hasty generalizations you make need to end here.

EX: "To get to the order you must pass a dropdown asking for an affilated retailer.."

There is no fruad there, it says
Store: [ ]

And It does not ask for "an affilated retailer."

EX2:"You still must commit an act of fraud or misrepresentation to gain access to the order form."

Ok lets examine your argument:

The whole context of it, thus far is based on the fact one is fraudulent by affiliating oneself with a company before the purchase of the product.

Now when signing up for the promotion the form promps you with a store selection, with no directions or options.

I attempted originally to submit the form without a store selected, because I didn't know what it meant.

Microsoft then sent me back to the form page stating in red letters
You must select a store. (again, nothing about affiliation)
So I picked my favorite store and went on to order the product.

Your argument is based on the prompt for a store affiliation, but in reality the prompt only asks for a store you may select at random.

(I am ignoring your counter on the public site, because a public domain is defined by a site that anyone can access.
& ATM anyone can access it)

On the public site:
There are no disclaimers prior to ordering.
There is not a section where you state store affiliation.
Anyone can order this product.

************************************

Small tangent:

Now I took a look at the retail signup where you register your microsoft passport account and it asks you for a store ID, management name, employee position, etc..

Now one has to wonder why microsoft wouldn't ask for those details if your passport account wasn't already activated under retail.

Its because they want more people on xbox live, like someone else mentioned earlier in this thread.

Its like Hershy's handing out breast feeding suppliment in third world contries, eventually the mothers stop producing their own and have to buy more.

Eventually the subscribers they get from this deal will have to come back and renew at full price.

Its a hook to gain subscribers.

That's why the security is minimal on an otherwise secure site.

And thats why they are not obvious when asking for a store.

[Morpheus]

I know they left themselves open for expoit here. If people said they were just doing it because they were a cheap cared more about thier money that following rules, that is one thing.
I can't stand the fact that people are trying to justify thier theft because Microsoft left the site unsecured. That's like saying it's ok to go into a store and steal videogames because they are locked up in a case.

I think you are a little blinded by your temper. The majority of the people here know its stealing, but what they are justifying is a legal way out of this situation if Microsoft chooses to go after some these people. Which is what most of my posts are about. I'm just agreeing that there is nothing that definitely specifies this site is for retail only. Try clicking around from that link that CheapyD posted to find that disclaimer you posted. Have fun finding it without editing the address at the top.

As for signing up. It never says anything about signing up, because you don't need to sign up for the retail team to take advantage of this deal. All you need is Microsoft passport.

-Morpheus

BTW I don't claim to know if their way out is fail-safe, but it still is a way out.

After Edit: What is it with my timing?!!! I'm always posting after these big huge posts without seeing them first. DARN IT!!! :lol:

[JSweeney]

Wow jsweeney you're hopeless -_-

If you expect to make a counterargument please, pay attention to the original point I make.

After that reply, I noticed that you fall into the logical fallacies of: either/or reasoning, ad hominem, ad populum, and the most obvious political trap a red herring.

I was hoping for an discussion with someone that would use logic above all else, instead you create irrational replies to my points.

You keep throwing up straw men, so you're not exactly a person to be speaking about making completely rational statements.

You're falling into just as many logical fallacies as I am... but I'm actually qouting sources, which you have done very little to disprove. Not to mention that when you have qouted information from Microsoft's site you've done so in such a manner that is not consistant with the intent of Microsoft's wording.



When taken in context of my original statement, you're replies address very little and instead repeat what you've already said.

*clap*

this discussion will go nowhere if you don't do any more critial thinking and instead regurgitate what's already been said over 7 pages.

Well, considering that you haven't addressed my points in a satisfactory manner, it is a fair (and somewhat common) practice to revisit arguments already made.



I looked it up in my textbook, asked 3 lawyers (my stepmom, on of her friends and my college professor). All three were in agreement with me.

My guess is that you left them ill informed and your bais tainted what thier opinion would be. More likely that not, you stated your case to them and framed in the most favorable terms for them to reach the conclusion that you want them to. I'd be shocked if you actual showed them the site, the master terms of use for the microsoft domain, and the explicit statement of a terms of use in the same directory structure as the "deal" page was listed.
This link was not intented for public consumption, and the only way it became public was because someone leaked a site link that could be considered "sensitive" material by microsoft.

I have the expert witnesses, what do you have to bring to the table?

A firm doubt of the qualifications of your "expert witnesses".
For all we know, you could be making up your "stepmother the lawyer"

Oh and the hasty generalizations you make need to end here.
EX: "To get to the order you must pass a dropdown asking for an affilated retailer.."

There is no fruad there, it says
Store: [ ]

And It does not ask for "an affilated retailer."

Again, you ignore the fact that this is a part of the site that is not intended for public consumption, and to enter this part of the site you are expected to sign up and agree to the terms stated on the homepage of the Microsoft retail page. If Microsoft sent the intial email with the link to this directly to you, it would be an entirely different situation.


EX2:"You still must commit an act of fraud or misrepresentation to gain access to the order form."

Ok lets examine your argument:

The whole context of it, thus far is based on the fact one is fraudulent by affiliating oneself with a company before the purchase of the product.
Which you have done little to dispute or disprove.

Now when signing up for the promotion the form promps you with a store selection, with no directions or options.

Only if you gain access through a link provided to you by an outside source, which is a breach of the terms of use for Microsoft's webpage.

I attempted originally to submit the form without a store selected, because I didn't know what it meant.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for the commision of a crime. The fact that you are so lax in reading the terms associated with the deal you what you are agreeing to does not mean that your transaction was legal or correct.

Microsoft then sent me back to the form page stating in red letters
You must select a store. (again, nothing about affiliation)
So I picked my favorite store and went on to order the product.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for the commision of a crime. The fact that you are so lax in reading the terms associated with the deal you what you are agreeing to does not mean that your transaction was legal or correct.

Your argument is based on the prompt for a store affiliation, but in reality the prompt only asks for a store you may select at random.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for the commision of a crime. The fact that you are so lax in reading the terms associated with the deal you what you are agreeing to does not mean that your transaction was legal or correct.

Just because you didn't read the terms to which you agree when you use the retail.microsoft.com site does not mean that they are not applied to you.

(I am ignoring your counter on the public site, because a public domain is defined by a site that anyone can access.
& ATM anyone can access it)

Where did you gain this information, then?
Here? That information was given by another person, one that did not have authority to give others information pretaining to the access of Microsoft's site.

On the public site:
There are no disclaimers prior to ordering.
There is not a section where you state store affiliation.
Anyone can order this product.

The public site mentions the master terms of use, which mentions that Microsoft can amend the rules dictating the use of any part of thier site.
The do so on the retail.microsoft.com site. Just because you didn't read it doesn't prevent it's application on you.

************************************

Small tangent:

Now I took a look at the retail signup where you register your microsoft passport account and it asks you for a store ID, management name, employee position, etc..

Now one has to wonder why microsoft wouldn't ask for those details if your passport account wasn't already activated under retail.

Because this deal was not meant to become public. It was sent out to registered members of the retail site, and someone made this link public when they did not have the authority to do so.

Its because they want more people on xbox live, like someone else mentioned earlier in this thread.

Its like Hershy's handing out breast feeding suppliment in third world contries, eventually the mothers stop producing their own and have to buy more.

Eventually the subscribers they get from this deal will have to come back and renew at full price.

Its a hook to gain subscribers.

That's why the security is minimal on an otherwise secure site.

And thats why they are not obvious when asking for a store.

Your accusing me of faulty logic and then you post this?

[JSweeney]

You know what, if all of you that ordered this are so certain of the legality the manner you attained it, go to the Contact page for the site, ask them about this promo, tell them about the order you placed, and be sure to put in your full contact information.

Since you have so many "experts" agreeing with you Valkryst, why don't you do it first.

Since most of you are already dead-set in the opinion that this is legal, and since this has already been up on here and fat wallet for nearing a week, arguing it any further is rather a pointless endeavor... anyone who would order this probably already has, and anyone who hasn't probably won't.

All of you can continue posting on this as much as you want, and you can say all the horrible things about me you want in this thread.
I'm done with it. Ciao.

See you all on the boards :)

[Valkryst]

/shrug

lol :?
lets agree to disagree then.

Its obvious that each of us believes we are in the right and this will only go on for pages more.

In tying up lose ends;
With the lawyers... I showed my stepmom and my professor the site (my stepmom's friend I talked to on the phone, thus could've been biased).

It was fun and I do believe nothing will come of this if one is to order it, but only time will tell.


EDIT:
I wrote this before reading that jsweeney...
While that would be entertaining and a little dumb to do, it would be a waste of time & money.

I guess if discussing legalities with a company with a near-infinate supply of money sounds fun to you, go for it.

But its a big no-no in law.

DOUBLE EDIT:
Aww jweeney, editing your post to say goodbye after you read my post calling it quits?

I wanted a reply or at least a nod of good faith.

Too bad. :roll:

[JSweeney]

You mean like this? :)

Since I was just editing my last post, I'll answer the last post you'll probably make in this thread too..


lol :?
lets agree to disagree then.

That's a great idea. I was ready to drop the topic anyway, but this makes it all the better.

Its obvious that each of us believes we are in the right and this will only go on for pages more.

Well, not really, but you even mentioned that at the edit at the end of this post :)

In tying up lose ends;
With the lawyers... I showed my stepmom and my professor the site (my stepmom's friend I talked to on the phone, thus could've been biased).

You know, it's actually possible we are both right... Internet law is shifting very quickly and a very dynamic medium right now. A lot of times it just the law as dicated by the victor... and since MS has the most money, more often than not they are the victor.

Yeah you're right about the straw man, I edited my post too late.
:lol:
It was fun and I do believe nothing will come of this if one is to order it, but only time will tell.

I sincerely do doubt anything will come of this.
It's the idea of impropriety and the inclusion of these boards in it that I didn't care for. Everyone who ordered it probably will get it.


EDIT:
I wrote this before reading that jsweeney...
While that would be entertaining and a little dumb to do, it would be a waste of time & money.

I know, dramatic overstatements and foolish challanges like that make for good reading though :)

I guess if discussing legalities with a company with a near-infinate supply of money sounds fun to you, go for it.

Nope, since like I said above, a great deal of the law in the area is dictated by the victors in the court cases... and usually that's the guy with the most money.


But its a big no-no in law.

Exactly.

Good to see we could end this on good terms.

Edit: come on, read this one. I really want this to end well.

[Ledhed]

Well, now that the acidic nature of this thread has finally lost momentum, let's change the subject to something more light-hearted.

Who likes pancakes? I myself prefer buttermilk.

[ajh2298]

Well, now that the acidic nature of this thread has finally lost momentum, let's change the subject to something more light-hearted.

Who likes pancakes? I myself prefer buttermilk.

Who are you kidding everybody knows blueberry are the best. :D

[Ledhed]

Who are you kidding everybody knows blueberry are the best. :D

Dude, you are gonna turn this into another flame war. And get that damn fruit off my shortstack. Buttermilk + Maple Syrup = Edible Jesus

[Valkryst]

It was fun JSweeney :)

And props to your moral compass for saying no.

Being the poor college student I am, and w/o xbox live...
I decided to go for it.

And when I finally land a job after my graduate studies, I'll compensate by giving to charity in the future :P

[Ledhed]

I too would like to apologize to you Valkryst for taking cheap shots at you and your Stepmother, who I'm going to go ahead and assume exists. Lemme know when and if you get your Live account running and we can play something maybe. I'll have mine running at the beginning of June. You too, JSweeney. I got SC:PT, and I can't wait to start playing it. And I promise I'm not the type of guy to drop a match when he's losing. I know just how frustrating that can be.

[Valkryst]

Thanks led, no hard feelings.

& I like this community feeling I'm getting here.

Can't hold grudges when we are all looking for a good deal ^^

Anyway atm my xbox is in the microsoft shop getting a samsung drive,
but as soon as they send it back and I get SP:PT set up we can own it up.

[Ledhed]

Right on. We'll find JSweeney, team up against him, cry like little girls as he slaughters us, and quit right at the end of the match. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Just kidding, JSweeney. Much love, see you online.

These are far and away the best emoticons ---> :robot: :fridge:

No contest.

[Morpheus]

JSweeney, looks like you are wrong. My friend received this email straight from the cats mouth:

If the site allowed you to place the order, then you may keep the order. Thank you

If we may be of further assistance to you, please let us know. Have a great day!

Its now a legit deal straight from Microsoft. I'm gonna get me some of this. 8)

-Morpheus

[xspeedracerx]

Some one should get one for me. I'll pay $40 shipped for one. PM me if you interested.

[sj41]

Some one should get one for me. I'll pay $40 shipped for one. PM me if you interested.They cost $40 shipped after tax and shipping. Not many people will do that for you.

[Indiana]

Some one should get one for me. I'll pay $40 shipped for one. PM me if you interested.

Dude just order your own.

[nba4life2k]

I dont want it. its too much of a hassle to buy and resell. if someone wanted either one fo the deals. id consider doing it for them. aim me or pm me if ur interested

[Fraggler]

I wrote them and made them aware.

[BayAreasTank]

There's only 2 options, the 12 month renewal card which is $19.99 and the Starter Kit with the 12 month card, headset and Crimson Skys for $29.99.

You can only order 1 of each, it won't let you order multiples.

SO i ordered one of each under my own company name, so we'll see what happens.

[redline]

Thanks for this link, I just ordered the renewal card. This site has saved me so much money...

[sman113]

I wrote them and made them aware.

you wrote who and made them aware of what?

[BayAreasTank]

Look what I got today after ordering a live kit and renewal card

"This is a shipping notification from eCompanyStore

This email is sent courtesy of our shipping department to assure you
that your order has been shipped promptly. Please note that this
email is sent to you upon completion of your order. It may take a few
hours before you can track this number online with UPS."

So it looks like they really don't look to closley at who's ordering what. So i say, order freely !

[scuba]

I emailed them and they said they dont care, pick ANY store. Some people tried this at xbox.net a few days ago and got the stuff

So if you wanted to get in on this deal it looks like they dont care, =)

[Aryss]

At one time they were calling around I know. I haven't heard anything since then. My friend does work at GS and he signed up and they didn't ask for a pay stub or check at all. It's kinda strange but one day it will come crashing down.

[JSweeney]

Just because one can do something doesn't mean one should.

[Aryss]

Yeah, it's not worth it to me. My friend doesn't use his points really so he lets me get stuff and just pay shipping.

[scuba]

I emailed them and said I did not work at any store which sold games, I dont have a job and they said

"Steven
You may pick any store and purchase from this site. Thank you

If we may be of further assistance to you, please let us know. Have a
great day!"

;) its a great deal and they dont care

[Morpheus]

You see the difference between this and getting something for free from the points program is that you are actually paying. As long as they get money + subscribers they don't care. You even pay for shipping. No lose here for Microsoft, just gain.

-Morpheus

[xspeedracerx]

Where do they ship it to? It says to put you street address, but I get my mail at the post office.
Could so one tell me?

It says it won't ship to P.O boxes, Im guessing it ships ups or usps?

[xspeedracerx]

bump

[kapkorn]

hmm anyone get this?


i ordered it yesterday and it showed on my online debit statement and then today it dissapoeared but i didnt get a cancelation email or anything

[Zingela]

I've gotten mine from the site quite a while ago. Then again, I'm a retail employee and was actually authorized for the deal. Recently ordered and recieved Rallisport Challenge 2, Counter-Strike, and Blinx for a total of $17 shipped, yay. ^_^

[mmn]

hmm anyone get this?

Yep, I got it about 2 weeks ago. Less than $37 shipped and UPS showed up at my door about a week later with it. Worked flawlessly. They never even asked me for my retail store or whatever when I input my info - all they had was a line that said "company" and I put the real name of the company I work for.

I guess they didn't even care I wasn't a retail employee. :)

[ngamer007]

I work at Pizza Hut. It's not on the list. :O

Big surprise there.

[Murcielago77]

does this deal still work?

[scdoanintendo]

Yep.

[Murcielago77]

sweet

[AndrewSlate]

I actually work at one of the places on the list so I went ahead and ordered the Live starter kit and took the quizzes to earn Sudeki and Top Spin. Even though my situation is fine, it still almost feels wrong. :?

Oh, this is my first post so hello everyone! Thanks for all the information on great deals for a cheap ass gamer like me. This site is the best. :D

[bowsernieb]

I just signed up for the retail training thing today. I had been looking for this link for awhile but could never find it. I work at Blockbuster, so I'm at least doing it honestly...but it sounds like shipping is 6 bucks per game? That's crazy. I guess it's cheaper than I'd be paying otherwise.

[redgopher]

Working at Gamecrazy gets better every day...
finished some quizzes and I'm getting Sudeki, Top Spin and Crimson Skies for $15 :)

[Maynard]

Heres the thing though i was wondering, if you already have xbox live subscription, can you use the 12 month card to renew it if its coming up in August....LIKE ME? I hope so because not paying $50 sounds much better than paying $50 dollars. Indeed


rockford smells


mn

[cag1000]

what did u all use for store #, store zip, store phone, Mosaic/Microsoft Representative Number (if referred to site by a representative), Last two digits of Employee Number (numbers only)
just made stuff up? cant see how anyone successfully registered without this info

[redgopher]

what did u all use for store #, store zip, store phone, Mosaic/Microsoft Representative Number (if referred to site by a representative), Last two digits of Employee Number (numbers only)
just made stuff up? cant see how anyone successfully registered without this info

I actually followed the rules and used my REAL store number.

[Wshakspear]

Heres the thing though i was wondering, if you already have xbox live subscription, can you use the 12 month card to renew it if its coming up in August....LIKE ME? I hope so because not paying $50 sounds much better than paying $50 dollars. Indeed


rockford smells


mn

Yes, you can use it to extend Live.

[Murcielago77]

can you do it with a fake store and employee number?

[suMMx]

can you do it with a fake store and employee number?you dont need an employee number ,just put a retail store name in that you work at or "work" at

[JSweeney]

can you do it with a fake store and employee number?you dont need an employee number ,just put a retail store name in that you work at or "work" at

Let the stupid, ignorant people of questionable ethics figure out these lameass scams on thier own. The last thing we need is for them to be tainting CAG with thier foul stench.

[Murcielago77]

so how long does it take microsoft to ship it?

[suMMx]

i ordered mine on friday night, got an acknologement email but no info on shipping yet. Im sure ill get some email or something on monday and it should be here by thursday or friday

[Murcielago77]

that was fast. I ordered it yesterday and got acknoledgement email and i just got a shipping confirmation email

[kapkorn]

i got mine in less than a week.

[DaVinci42]

I received my Live kit pretty quickly. I did the other offer & they said they shipped out my 5 games. I'm getting Halo, Amped 2, PGR 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, & Top Spin for $25.99. I did have to go through a lot of training though.

[suMMx]

i got an acknoledgement email but no shipping confrimation

[redgopher]

Do all of you people work in retail, or are you just trying to ruin the deal for the rest of us who ACTUALLY work at retail stores?

[redgopher]

I received my Live kit pretty quickly. I did the other offer & they said they shipped out my 5 games. I'm getting Halo, Amped 2, PGR 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, & Top Spin for $25.99. I did have to go through a lot of training though.

Oh boo hoo, you whiny fucking bitch.

Let's just hope MS doesn't catch on to you greedy asshats and kill the program so legit employees can't get any perks.

[Ledhed]

Let's just hope MS doesn't catch on to you greedy asshats and kill the program so legit employees can't get any perks.

Word bro.

[DaVinci42]

I received my Live kit pretty quickly. I did the other offer & they said they shipped out my 5 games. I'm getting Halo, Amped 2, PGR 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, & Top Spin for $25.99. I did have to go through a lot of training though.

Oh boo hoo, you whiny shaq-fuing bitch.

Let's just hope MS doesn't catch on to you greedy asshats and kill the program so legit employees can't get any perks.

I don't know what your bitching about. I didn't post my store # on the boards or anything. And the last statement about trainging was informational, not complaining. Have a little more respect for your fellow boardmates.

[scsg75]

I received my Live kit pretty quickly. I did the other offer & they said they shipped out my 5 games. I'm getting Halo, Amped 2, PGR 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, & Top Spin for $25.99. I did have to go through a lot of training though.

Oh boo hoo, you whiny shaq-fuing bitch.

Let's just hope MS doesn't catch on to you greedy asshats and kill the program so legit employees can't get any perks.

Woah there, I think he is a legit employee. No need to attack him.

[suMMx]

i work(ed) at best buy

[redgopher]

I received my Live kit pretty quickly. I did the other offer & they said they shipped out my 5 games. I'm getting Halo, Amped 2, PGR 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, & Top Spin for $25.99. I did have to go through a lot of training though.

Oh boo hoo, you whiny shaq-fuing bitch.

Let's just hope MS doesn't catch on to you greedy asshats and kill the program so legit employees can't get any perks.

Woah there, I think he is a legit employee. No need to attack him.

So lets hear him say it.

[Zarkon]

Once Fable comes out, I plan on htiting the X-Box training site. (Yes, I work retail). XBL for $30 instead of $70 ks good, and some decent games showing up now from what I'm reading...and I've got a scad of points stored :)

[dahermitt]

"We apologize for the confusion. A technical issue surfaced that incorrectly
displayed items as 'shipped' when in fact they were in 'process.' This led users
to a UPS link that had incorrect information or no information. After initiating
the resolution the order status changed. It now displays the correct status.

The technical support team rectified this issue and your order is indeed in
process. Due to the current high volume of orders we are in the process of
executing all orders as quickly as possible. Please check back later for updated
shipping information. Thanks in advance for your patience."

David
The Xbox Online Training Team

[DaVinci42]

redgopher: I worked at Gamestop before I moved a couple of weeks ago (their is a grace period after leaving). I'm looking for a new part time job, & I wouldn't mind if it was in videogames retail.

- just lighten up. I don't care if a few people take advantage of these offers.

1) the XBOX live offer is a mistake of the person who writes the web page. It's not supposed to be as easy as it is.

2) for the games offer it isn't exactly easy to get the info you need to sign up. I don't see people posting their store #'s on boards & such. So I doubt many people are faking this with the exception of friends of people who work in retail (in which case they could just order an extra game anyway).

[redgopher]

I don't care if a few people take advantage of these offers.

Did I ask if you cared, you self righteous fuck?

"I don't care if people take advantage of the offers, because I'm obviously the only one who works at a game store... oh wait, that's *worked* at a game store. So that means the only person that matters is me, and I'm a nice guy because I'm going to *let* a few people fake employment at a retail store to get a few cheap games."

Is that what you meant? Dumbass.

[Murcielago77]

dude calm down. There are tons of stores on that list and people could be working at any of them. We dont got to be working at a "game" store, just a store on that list

[DaVinci42]

I don't care if a few people take advantage of these offers.

Did I ask if you cared, you self righteous shaq-fu?

"I don't care if people take advantage of the offers, because I'm obviously the only one who works at a game store... oh wait, that's *worked* at a game store. So that means the only person that matters is me, and I'm a nice guy because I'm going to *let* a few people fake employment at a retail store to get a few cheap games."

Is that what you meant? Dumbass.

It's obvious you're just looking to pick a fight. Whatever. You win. We're all evil.

- Does your d**k feel any bigger now?

*** By the way. The only one being "self righteous" is you dude. Learn to use a dictionary.

[JSweeney]

It's obvious you're just looking to pick a fight. Whatever. You win. We're all evil.

Obviously you don't care for the image the site has. Some people actually like the fact that CAG doesn't look like a bunch of scammers and theives.

- Does your d**k feel any bigger now?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't swing that way.

[suMMx]

just chill out

[JSweeney]

just chill out

If people weren't dumbasses and posting about how they are defrauding Microsoft, I wouldn't care. The site's image is CheapyD's stock-in-trade
when he's seeking advertisers and affliate opportunities.
People being asses and talking about how they're scamming companies doesn't do much for the image of the place.

I could care less if any of you are little scammer assholes pulling little scams on your own... you'll all get caught eventually.

Don't bring the site and it's community into it. We don't need our good name sullied so that you're lame-asses can save a couple dollars.

(suMMx, this statement is in general, and by no means is directed specifically at you.)

[Morpheus]

The irony of this whole topic is that CheapyD originally posted this deal. :lol:

-Morpheus

[Zingela]

Just to let everyone know, MS can and will check to see if your information checks out.
I was recently required to scan and submit one of my paystubs from work. I can see the reason why, though--my boyfriend and I both work at different GameStops in the area, and they're likely just confirming that we both really work there, and we're not just leeching store numbers. :P

[suMMx]

just chill out

If people weren't dumbasses and posting about how they are defrauding Microsoft, I wouldn't care. The site's image is CheapyD's stock-in-trade
when he's seeking advertisers and affliate opportunities.
People being asses and talking about how they're scamming companies doesn't do much for the image of the place.

I could care less if any of you are little scammer assholes pulling little scams on your own... you'll all get caught eventually.

Don't bring the site and it's community into it. We don't need our good name sullied so that you're lame-asses can save a couple dollars.

(suMMx, this statement is in general, and by no means is directed specifically at you.)
regardless i think your point got across and you should relax

[JSweeney]

Apparently you haven't read the thread from the begining. I started objecting to this "scam" early in the thread, yet it still hasn't stoped the little scam artists from gloating over thier ill-gotten gains.

Considering that people were still posting it and using it in such a way that it is a scam, I don't think the point has gotten across.

Why should I just relax when these little noobs are making this great site look like nothing more then a den of common thieves. That isn't what CAG is about.

[suMMx]

i really do work at best buy and i got a letter of acknowledgement but no confrimation, i emailed them and they sent it off with a confrimation number and track number. So thank you for the heads up anyways

[DaVinci42]

It's obvious you're just looking to pick a fight. Whatever. You win. We're all evil.

Obviously you don't care for the image the site has. Some people actually like the fact that CAG doesn't look like a bunch of scammers and theives.

- Does your d**k feel any bigger now?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't swing that way.


I don't know why you're responding for redgopher. I don't appreciate that I was attacked (by redgopher) without him even asking if I was legit. And when I posted I was legit, there was no apology. Even worse, redgopher continued his attack. Now what excuse is there for that except that he was trying to pick a fight. Even though we differ in opinion, he should have at least had the guts to apologize. He's the one that started to make things personal. I shouldn't have lost my temper though. Most of us are civilized people and should conduct ourselves as such.

And as far as the discounted games offer:

1) You need a store # - Not many people will just happen to know this.
2) Some people are asked to send in copies of pay stubs.
3) You have to go through a good amount of training to EARN those games.

I'm sure a lot of people are abusing the XBOX live offer. But IMHO, it is at least partially Microsoft's responsibility to keep their site secure. You're supposed to have to go through similar steps as the free games offers, but the person who wrote the webpage screwed up & has YET to fix it. And as far as the games offer is concerned I doubt many people are abusing it for the reason's listed above.

And its not that I don't CARE about the site's image. Personally, I just don't think this is a big enough deal to really affect it. It's just my opinion. I'm entitled to mine & you're entitled to yours.

[Murcielago77]

im surprised this deal is still going because this is a spring 04 deal

[suMMx]

It's obvious you're just looking to pick a fight. Whatever. You win. We're all evil.

Obviously you don't care for the image the site has. Some people actually like the fact that CAG doesn't look like a bunch of scammers and theives.

- Does your d**k feel any bigger now?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't swing that way.


I don't know why you're responding for redgopher. I don't appreciate that I was attacked (by redgopher) without him even asking if I was legit. And when I posted I was legit, there was no apology. Even worse, redgopher continued his attack. Now what excuse is there for that except that he was trying to pick a fight. Even though we differ in opinion, he should have at least had the guts to apologize. He's the one that started to make things personal. I shouldn't have lost my temper though. Most of us are civilized people and should conduct ourselves as such.

And as far as the discounted games offer:

1) You need a store # - Not many people will just happen to know this.
2) Some people are asked to send in copies of pay stubs.
3) You have to go through a good amount of training to EARN those games.

I'm sure a lot of people are abusing the XBOX live offer. But IMHO, it is at least partially Microsoft's responsibility to keep their site secure. You're supposed to have to go through similar steps as the free games offers, but the person who wrote the webpage screwed up & has YET to fix it. And as far as the games offer is concerned I doubt many people are abusing it for the reason's listed above.

And its not that I don't CARE about the site's image. Personally, I just don't think this is a big enough deal to really affect it. It's just my opinion. I'm entitled to mine & you're entitled to yours.
honestly with this deal microsoft is hardly losing money, the deal used to be $50 and it was bumpd to $70 if ms was losing money on the deal they wouldnt offer it. You are also right in the fact that it isnt a big deal and its up to the individual to make the decision.

[scuba]

The only reason I got this was because I emailed them and asked! I said I dont work at a store or anything and wanted to get this deal but didn't want to say I worked at one of those stores and I didn't actually work at that store. They said they dont care put any store at all. They dont care and if you dont believe me email them and ask, like I did.

[DaVinci42]

The only reason I got this was because I emailed them and asked! I said I dont work at a store or anything and wanted to get this deal but didn't want to say I worked at one of those stores and I didn't actually work at that store. They said they dont care put any store at all. They dont care and if you dont believe me email them and ask, like I did.

That would explain why they haven't fixed the XBOX live offer site.

[Minger]

?

They really said they didnt care?

Then again, they're not really losing at any point here...

[DaVinci42]

?

They really said they didnt care?

Then again, they're not really losing at any point here...

Maybe its a way not to lose face or a lot of money, but still boost XBOX live #'s.

[scuba]

I posted this a while back also

"Steven
You may pick any store and purchase from this site. Thank you

If we may be of further assistance to you, please let us know. Have a
great day!


eCustomerCare
1.877.588.8932

www.eCompanyStore.com - Trusted to Deliver by the World's
Leading Companies!


> Hello,
> I found this online
> http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/
> <http://retail.microsoft.com/retail/xboxoffer/> and its a great deal
> and was wondering if I would be able to purchase this? I do not work
at
> any store like best buy. I dont even have a job, I could have said I did and I dont see how you
> would find out, but I was wondering if I would be able to get in on
this
> offer? Would I be able to still purchase the xbox live set for 30
> dollars? Please let me know, thanks
>
> Steven"

[suMMx]

i wouldnt be suprised if MS encouraged people to do this because its motivation for those waiting for a reason to get live. Plus a minority of xbl buyers will get it this way and it will still provide profit when users renew their accounts in the coming year.

[Minger]

ooo, I didnt mean that, i meant a few posts above, it was talking about the other xbox retail stuff...eh, nevemrind

[JSweeney]

I don't know why you're responding for redgopher. I don't appreciate that I was attacked (by redgopher) without him even asking if I was legit. And when I posted I was legit, there was no apology. Even worse, redgopher continued his attack. Now what excuse is there for that except that he was trying to pick a fight. Even though we differ in opinion, he should have at least had the guts to apologize. He's the one that started to make things personal. I shouldn't have lost my temper though. Most of us are civilized people and should conduct ourselves as such.

Nope. Redgopher has crossed the line of good taste a couple of times. I just don't like anything (even if said somewhat in jest) that starts to build a bad name for the site. That "We're all evil" had that sort of vibe going for it.



And as far as the discounted games offer:

1) You need a store # - Not many people will just happen to know this.
2) Some people are asked to send in copies of pay stubs.
3) You have to go through a good amount of training to EARN those games.

I'm sure a lot of people are abusing the XBOX live offer. But IMHO, it is at least partially Microsoft's responsibility to keep their site secure. You're supposed to have to go through similar steps as the free games offers, but the person who wrote the webpage screwed up & has YET to fix it. And as far as the games offer is concerned I doubt many people are abusing it for the reason's listed above.

I guess if shop keepers don't fortify thier stores almost to the state of a prison camp, they deserve to have things stolen from them as well, right?


And its not that I don't CARE about the site's image. Personally, I just don't think this is a big enough deal to really affect it. It's just my opinion. I'm entitled to mine & you're entitled to yours.

Everything is a big enough deal. Things add up over time. Images from.
I'll be damned if I let people ruin the image that CAG has already built up.
I don't want this becoming a pit of scammers and thieves. There's plenty of those on the internet as it is.

You know, just because you're entitled to your opinion doesn't mean it's valid. That way lies madness.

[DaVinci42]

And as far as the discounted games offer:

1) You need a store # - Not many people will just happen to know this.
2) Some people are asked to send in copies of pay stubs.
3) You have to go through a good amount of training to EARN those games.

I'm sure a lot of people are abusing the XBOX live offer. But IMHO, it is at least partially Microsoft's responsibility to keep their site secure. You're supposed to have to go through similar steps as the free games offers, but the person who wrote the webpage screwed up & has YET to fix it. And as far as the games offer is concerned I doubt many people are abusing it for the reason's listed above.

I guess if shop keepers don't fortify thier stores almost to the state of a prison camp, they deserve to have things stolen from them as well, right?


And its not that I don't CARE about the site's image. Personally, I just don't think this is a big enough deal to really affect it. It's just my opinion. I'm entitled to mine & you're entitled to yours.

Everything is a big enough deal. Things add up over time. Images from.
I'll be damned if I let people ruin the image that CAG has already built up.
I don't want this becoming a pit of scammers and thieves. There's plenty of those on the internet as it is.

You know, just because you're entitled to your opinion doesn't mean it's valid. That way lies madness.

I said MS was partially responsible. NOT wholely. Your analogy is way out of proportion. I would say that more accurate would be if a shop keeper left his doors open & refused to close them even after things have been stolen. The person who stole the items is wrong, but for Pete's sake the store keeper should LOCK HIS DOOR!!!

As far as opinions go, I could say the same about yours. Who's to say which opinion is valid & which is not? You & I are not an objective observers, so by definition neither of us is qualified to judge.

Not to mention that if SCUBA's posts are accurate, then MS actually knows what is going on & doesn't care. If they don't care, then it must not be that important.

[scuba]

JSweeney - is right though about the discounted games

thats not right to cheat that.

I mean think about it. Why do they ask for so much information to prove that you work at one of these stores for the discounted games, but not for the xbox live offer?

[DaVinci42]

JSweeney - is right though about the discounted games

thats not right to cheat that.

I mean think about it. Why do they ask for so much information to prove that you work at one of these stores for the discounted games, but not for the xbox live offer?

True. As I said earlier, with all the stuff they require I doubt many people are cheating it anyway.

[suMMx]

i got my live kit today with crimson skies, pretty cool but i suck at it.

[JSweeney]

I said MS was partially responsible. NOT wholely. Your analogy is way out of proportion. I would say that more accurate would be if a shop keeper left his doors open & refused to close them even after things have been stolen. The person who stole the items is wrong, but for Pete's sake the store keeper should LOCK HIS DOOR!!!

Wrong is wrong, nevertheless. It begins to put a stain on the site when people start discussing scams and exploits that are obviously wrong.
That's not the way this site is, and it's certainly not the way I want it to become.


As far as opinions go, I could say the same about yours. Who's to say which opinion is valid & which is not? You & I are not an objective observers, so by definition neither of us is qualified to judge.

Yes, but considering that I have much more time and experience with the demeanor of the site ( as evidenced by join date and post count), I am a much more credible as a source when it comes to the mannerisms and demenaor of the site as a whole. This gives my contention that discussing a scam/exploit such as this in a positive light is against the stardard behavior of the site more crediblity than your contention to the contrary.
Unless there is a factual innacuracy in what I am saying, or the rest of the membership of the board does not hold the same opinion as I, that's a difficult burden for you to get past.


Not to mention that if SCUBA's posts are accurate, then MS actually knows what is going on & doesn't care. If they don't care, then it must not be that important.

I could care less what Microsoft says about it. Considering that your making a deal in bad faith to get the product, it's still more of an exploit or scam than a deal. Scams and exploits aren't part modus oporandi of this site. Whether or not Microsoft views the enforcement of the rules as important or not doesn't mean the rules don't exist.

[redgopher]

The reason I didn't respond is because I decided that this conversation was pointless, that people are going to take advantage of the deal anyways, regardless of what I think or anyone else for that matter. So I'm sorry for ripping into you, but I thought it was appropriate.

On a happy note, I got $320 worth of games from MS (9 games) for the shipping costs of about $45. Woo!

[JSweeney]

Not exactly. If it steers it's way into the area where people start discussing their blatant abuse of their exploit, I'd like a mod or CheapyD would have no problem locking it down. For the people it's intented, this is a great deal. It would be terrible for them to not learn of this deal because of a few spoiled little kids and unscrupulous "adults".

[AzianAsspicker]

Does any1 know how much the starter kit costs including shipping? Thanks

[scuba]

mine came out to about 36

also don't plan on reselling it or something cause thats wrong and you probably would have a hard time since it has a huge ass sticker on the front that says

microsoft company store purchase or something

[JSweeney]

Does any1 know how much the starter kit costs including shipping? Thanks

It depends whether or not you actually qualify... if you don't, it taxes your dignity as well.

[AzianAsspicker]

I work at walmart

[JSweeney]

Great! Look into the games too.. so long as you don't mind taking a little retail training, they seem to cut you a pretty good deal on some of the games.

[suMMx]

Does any1 know how much the starter kit costs including shipping? Thanks
its 29.99 + shipping and tax = $39 which is $30 off retail prices.

[suMMx]

mine came out to about 36

also don't plan on reselling it or something cause thats wrong and you probably would have a hard time since it has a huge ass sticker on the front that says

microsoft company store purchase or something
that and even crimson skies has ahuge pictrure that says NOT FOR RESALE

[scuba]

I didn't know that I haven't opened mine yet I am planning on using it when halo 2 comes out :) I dont care what it says I dont plan on re-selling it.

[redgopher]

Does any1 know how much the starter kit costs including shipping? Thanks

It depends whether or not you actually qualify... if you don't, it taxes your dignity as well.

That's awesome.

[petewhitley]

How do access all these game deals from that link? All I get is the XBox Live starter kit deal ...