Gamecube is disappointing ... nowhere as good as N64 was

[electrictroy]

Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion



BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.



While I'm on a roll, I might as well continue. I am *very* disappointed with the Cube. I loved the N64 games: Mario64, Zelda64, Banjo-Kazooie - true masterpieces, but not the Cube versions:



BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.
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Yep, disappointing. The Cube is nowhere as good a console as the N64 & Super Nintendo were. The games don't measure up. They don't feel like Nintendo games, but sloppy-made (and boring) 3rd party games.

troy

[help1]

WEll, you have no friends that play games, therefore, gamecube is not the system for you.

But XBOX still shines over GC in my eyes... ever play halo 1, Blood gultch, 16 plaer lan party CTF?

How bout 16 player CTF on containment?

The game is amazing.

[jeffreyjrose]

I swear I've read everyone of your gaming reviews word for word from other reviewers. Your above post appears to be mainly flamebait. You haven't played many games for either system if you don't like any games on the Xbox and to like only a few games on the Gamecube. Every gamer can find something he/she likes on every system, and all 3 of the systems this time around have had some real gems.

[help1]

I swear I've read everyone of your gaming reviews word for word from other reviewers. Your above post appears to be mainly flamebait. You haven't played many games for either system if you don't like any games on the Xbox and to like only a few games on the Gamecube. Every gamer can find something he/she likes on every system, and all 3 of the systems this time around have had some real gems.

I agree, they are all great systeams and GC does have some quality games ... just that the AI isnt that fun.

[jeffreyjrose]

I agree, they are all great systeams and GC does have some quality games ... just that the AI isnt that fun.

True, going online this generation would have helped that!

[j.elles]

Dude matter of opinion. I felt the PS2 was a let down in a large variety of areas. like i've said the cube wins with the fun and quality, xbox in lots of good to well above average games, and ps2 3'd because I just don't feel the games like I do for the other 2 systems. And as much as I still waste my money on RPG's, they've been letting me down for years now.

[WhipSmartBanky]

:rofl:

[Storamin]

I loved Animal Crossing. I played it for about an hour every day for a few weeks. The point of the game is not to immediately play all you can, but rather to play a bit every day for a long time.

[Michaellvortega]

Nintendo makes games for kids, not adults. You liked their games in the past because you were a kid and now not so much anymore. Times change I guess. Did "Link to the Past" have such a better story then "Wind Waker"?

[Apossum]

the system sucks because you didn't like 5 first party titles ..riiiighhhtt..

[The VGM]

I count only 5 good Cube games, and that's a piss-poor showing.

troy


I can never take you seriously again.

[j.elles]

Wind Waker was fun. Sunshine was disapointing because the predecesor was so great. Animal Crossing gets so much love thats like me saying GTA GTurisimo and GOWar sucks and are bad games. So if it's opinion just say I didn't like it. As for the kids thing I don't beleive that. I loved RE4 and 0 and 1 remake, as well as Eternal Darkness, Soul Calibur with Link, Baten Keitos, and Metroid Prime and it's sequel. None of which are kiddy and thats 8 games.

[kaw]

You just named three of my favorite games on the Cube: Animal Crossing, Windwaker, and Smash Bros.

Oh, and there's no Banjo, because Banjo is a Rare franchise, and Rare only develops console games for the Xbox.

[Roufuss]

Nintendo makes games for kids, not adults. You liked their games in the past because you were a kid and now not so much anymore. Times change I guess. Did "Link to the Past" have such a better story then "Wind Waker"?

I guess now that I'm in adult, games like Super Mario Bros 3 can no longer be fun, and I must now spend my time playing Doom 3 and Halo 2.

Nintendo makes games for everyone, not just for kids.

[kaw]

I did.



As for the "you liked their games in the past, because you were a kid, and now you're an adult," that doesn't fit. I first played Mario64/Zelda64 when I was 30, and I still think they're superior to the Sunshine/Wind Waker sequels.

The Cube games just aren't fun. They play like Nintendo "rushed" to finish them, and don't have the same polish as past games.

troy

I'm 29 and I enjoyed every Mario and Zelda game (albeit some more than others). I wouldn't say Sunshine was a bad game --I liked it, but most people discredit it because it wasn't revolutionary the way Mario 64 was.

To each their own.

[mtxbass1]

I can never take you seriously again.

You took this guy seriously before now?

[CoffeeEdge]

I agree, they are all great systeams and GC does have some quality games ... just that the AI isnt that fun.
Playing against AI/the computer has been making games fun for over 30 years now. Games don't have to be online to be fun. I'm so sick of this "EVERYTHING MUST BE ONLINE" mentality.

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.
You obviously didn't put jack shit into the game, and thus, you got nothing back out of it. You have to INVEST in that game a little, but with time, it becomes an incredibly rewarding game.

Nintendo makes games for kids, not adults. You liked their games in the past because you were a kid and now not so much anymore. Times change I guess. Did "Link to the Past" have such a better story then "Wind Waker"?
The inaneity of this statement has been commented on elsewhere, I believe. There's a difference between "kids" and "everyone." Nintendo makes games for the latter.

I can never take you seriously again.
Did you actually ever take troy seriously? I hope not. ;) I don't know why I haven't put him on ignore yet. Seems like everything he says is complaining about something...how we need to be curteous to him, blah blah blah.

EDIT: mtxbass1 beat me to this comment. :)

[dastly75]

While I loved banjo-kazooie, I could never get into banjo-tooie. Im not sure why, I guess because I got tired of collecting items

[red flare graf]

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.

You know, every review in the world about this game stated that you did that, along with dozens of other things. As did every person that bought the game who frequented forums, I'm sure. You've got to be pretty uninformed to buy a game with content you would obviously not enjoy while the information about the game is so openly available.

[bowmanarmy]

Lets Change this title to IN MY OPINION

[CoffeeEdge]

You know, every review in the world about this game stated that you did that, along with dozens of other things. As did every person that bought the game who frequented forums, I'm sure. You've got to be pretty uninformed to buy a game with content you would obviously not enjoy while the information about the game is so openly available.
Seriously. If you don't take the time to read ANYTHING about a game before buying it, then it's no one's fault but your own if you don't like it. Honestly, troy, it sounds like you didn't even read the back of the box.

[Kain Vincent]

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.


I wouldn't rate Super Smash Brothers Melee bad for the reasons you listed. If nobody plays with you, why did you buy SSBM? It has a great single player mode (unlike its N64 counterpart), but it's mainly mulitplayer. It's not the game's fault if you have no one to play with.

Now Animal Crossing, I haven't played it yet. But maybe sim games aren't for you.

[Apossum]

Ikaruga, RE4, Killer 7, Alien Hominid, Zelda Collectors Edition, Cubivore, and Twilight Princess are enough of a reason to own the system and make it awesome. I know some of those are on PS2, but they are better on the Cube.

[Roufuss]

Did you actually ever take troy seriously? I hope not. ;) I don't know why I haven't put him on ignore yet. Seems like everything he says is complaining about something...how we need to be curteous to him, blah blah blah.


Complaining is only 50% of what he posts... the other 50% are all those JCPenney's stories he writes about.

[sisco1986]

You need to add a small asterisk to the end of the post saying


* This is all my opinion, gamecube sucks for me but for countless others it's been bliss in a small cubed box.

[MaxBiaggi2]

Oh, and there's no Banjo, because Banjo is a Rare franchise, and Rare only develops console games for the Xbox.

Starfox Adventure is a Rare franchise on Gamecube, proof positive you should think about what you're saying before you post.

[Brak]

I agree that the GameCube was a huge letdown... but I don't think The Wind Waker was a disappointment or a failure.

[CoffeeEdge]

Oh, and there's no Banjo, because Banjo is a Rare franchise, and Rare only develops console games for the Xbox.
What about the half-dozen or so GBA games they've done since they were aquired by Microsoft?

Starfox Adventure is a Rare franchise on Gamecube, proof positive you should think about what you're saying before you post.

Starfox is a Nintendo franchise, and Nintendo now owns full rights to all the characters and story and everything involving Starfox Adventures. Rareware just developed it, and based it on an original game they had been developing, called Dinosaur Planet.

[kaw]

Starfox Adventure is a Rare franchise on Gamecube, proof positive you should think about what you're saying before you post.

Here's proof positive that you are a moron:
http://money.cnn.com/2002/09/20/news/deals/rare/

You should do some research about what you're saying before you post.

[Plumberboy]

Starfox Adventure is a Rare franchise on Gamecube, proof positive you should think about what you're saying before you post.

Starfox Adventures was the first and last Rare game on the Cube. Since Microsoft purchased Rare there is virtually no chance the Banjo series will ever appear on a Nintendo home console again. (That is a good thing for me since I found it to be just another monotonous fetch quest in the Rare library.)

What about the half-dozen or so GBA games they've done since they were aquired by Microsoft?

Again, kaw said console, the portable arena is a different beast. Microsoft currently doesn't compete in this arena. In addition, all of the Rare developed games that appeared on the GBA were in development prior to Microsoft's acquisition of Rare. You'll notice no more Rare games are slated for the GBA. Releasing these games to the GBA after the acquisition had very little affect, if any at all, on sales of Xbox games. It was essentially a way for Rare to generate some revenue while they reworked their GameCube line-up for Microsoft systems.

[kaw]

What about the half-dozen or so GBA games they've done since they were aquired by Microsoft?


Last I checked the GameBoy wasn't a console.

[CoffeeEdge]

Last I checked the GameBoy wasn't a console.
Meh, I suppose. But I could call the GBA a console if I wanted to, and no one can stop me! Ha! :mrgreen:

[Rig]

Playing against AI/the computer has been making games fun for over 30 years now. Games don't have to be online to be fun. I'm so sick of this "EVERYTHING MUST BE ONLINE" mentality.


You obviously didn't put jack shit into the game, and thus, you got nothing back out of it. You have to INVEST in that game a little, but with time, it becomes an incredibly rewarding game.


The inaneity of this statement has been commented on elsewhere, I believe. There's a difference between "kids" and "everyone." Nintendo makes games for the latter.


Did you actually ever take troy seriously? I hope not. ;) I don't know why I haven't put him on ignore yet. Seems like everything he says is complaining about something...how we need to be curteous to him, blah blah blah.

EDIT: mtxbass1 beat me to this comment. :)

Wow. CoffeeEdge pretty much hit this one on the head! I can't really add anything to that....nicely done...

[Rig]

I might be wrong, but didn't THQ publish the GBA Banjo titles? (I've actually never played one, but I am pretty sure I saw their logo on the cover of a few of them...) Maybe Rare sold the rights to THQ to publish them on the GBA?

[CoffeeEdge]

I might be wrong, but didn't THQ publish the GBA Banjo titles? (I've actually never played one, but I am pretty sure I saw their logo on the cover of a few of them...) Maybe Rare sold the rights to THQ to publish them on the GBA?
Yeah, it was THQ. Rare needed a published, and THQ was there, basically.

[hollowfreak]

<sniff sniff> you smell something? Oh yeah, electrictroy's talking out his ass again :booty:

[Redeema]

What the hell do you like then? If you don't like hundreds of games that damn near everyone in your house can play, then S.O.L. Donkey Konga 1&2 are fun games. Eternal Darkness was great. Metroid Prime is golden, as is I'm sure MP2. It sounds to me that if you liked Banjo games for the 64 you should have loved Animal Crossing, while I've never played Banjo, everything about it screams collecting things and fetch quests, which is EXACTLY what Animal Crossing is. You sound like a whiner, and if you don't like it you're probably just happy with your life.

[The VGM]

Someone's mad because no one agrees with him...... ;)

[j.elles]

Enough of this I don't like this I don't like that I hear going on. Talk about what you do like then. And if you've played the games talk about why you don't like them. Critics and sales for all afore mentioned games were positive.

And i've been playing games since early 80's. Donky Kong on up. So stop assuming just because i'm a Nintendo fan i'm a kid. Starting to come off as a serous asshole. Tone it down.

[FriskyTanuki]

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this but repost:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=994018&postcount=66

Why did you feel your opinion was so important that it deserved it's own thread almost one month after the original post?

[CoffeeEdge]

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this but repost:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=994018&postcount=66

Why did you feel your opinion was so important that it deserved it's own thread almost one month after the original post?
Oh, man, that's pure gold.

So, as far as I'm concerned, the evidence Frisky just linked is proof that electrictroy is using this post for the sole purpose of attention-whoring. Plain and simple, that's all he's doing.

Bravo, troy. Bra-vo. You're really bringing a lot to CAG.

[zionoverfire]

this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore

:rofl: Perhaps the rest of your imaginary friends are just a bit sick of mario by this point.

[Rig]

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this but repost:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=994018&postcount=66

Why did you feel your opinion was so important that it deserved it's own thread almost one month after the original post?

:lol: Tanuki finds every damn double post on the boards! (At least, he always finds mine!) :lol:

[FriskyTanuki]

:lol: Tanuki finds every damn double post on the boards! (At least, he always finds mine!) :lol:
:lol: When I saw this thread that he linked to from another one of his posts, I knew I had read it almost word by word before even though this was posted today. I searched and found that thread where he posted this same damn post before in a less-worthy thread, I guess.

[judyjudyjudy]

I had searched for that post, but could not find it. So I just (shrugged) my shoulders, started a new thread, and copied it from strykerisland.com.No shit Sherlock. You must be a bloomin' genius. OF COURSE everything I write is my opinion.



Also I've posted *many* positive things:
- Like how much I love the N64.
- And the Cubivore code for free shipping.
- And I helped a guy write better Ebay auctions.
- Another guy wanted a brand-new Disgaea, and I found a website for him to buy it.

I've posted lots of helpful, positive messages on this forum.


troy
lol, why do you do that deleting & reposting thing? Really, I'm totally curious.

[zionoverfire]

lol, why do you do that deleting & reposting thing? Really, I'm totally curious.

Because he keeps editing them.:lol:

Perhaps my favorite part is his contribution of a site to buy Disgaea from, a site that's been out of stock for months.:lol:

[Roufuss]

lol, why do you do that deleting & reposting thing? Really, I'm totally curious.

Probably because everyone ignored it.

[CoffeeEdge]

Perhaps my favorite part is his contribution of a site to buy Disgaea from, a site that's been out of stock for months.:lol:

Owned! :rofl:
I was gonna mention that, too.

"Here's a site where you can buy it if you go back in time 9 or 10 months..."


So I just (shrugged) my shoulders, started a new thread, and copied it from strykerisland.com.
So, wait, do you have some little repository of your oh-so-inciteful little editorials, pre-written and just waiting in the wings to be copy-and-pasted? Interesting. I just can't wait to hear more!

...has NOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine, or the Wind Wanker...
Oh ho ho, you're really funny!! Man, you could totally land a writing gig at GamePro magazine or maybe IGN, what with your thoughtful editorials and razor-sharp videogame wit!

[zionoverfire]

. All the numerous emails telling me I'm an "asshole" or an "idiot" has NOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine


Damn those sneaky sneaky people and their use of emails!!!!

.......sending emails to someone who doesn't even have an email address listed.

[Roufuss]

These games were BORING... which is a horrible thing for a game.

troy

Hey wait... aren't you the one who posted this?



AWESOME DEAL!

I bought:
$15 Army Men RTS/Starsky & Hutch (pricegrabber rebate)
$10 Blowout
$7 Fugitive Hunter
$5 Ejay Clubworld
$7 Mission Impossible 2
$5 State of Emergency
$15 Crash Bandicoot Wrath/Ford Racing 2 (pricegrabber rebate)
$5 Turok Evolution
$15 Airborne Troopers/Operation Desert Storm
$15 Second Sight Bundle
$15 Scaler/Robin Hood Defender of the Crown

Thanks!

troy



And you call Wind Waker and Mario Sunshine boring and crappy games, and then blow your cash on that shit?

[help1]

Playing against AI/the computer has been making games fun for over 30 years now. Games don't have to be online to be fun. I'm so sick of this "EVERYTHING MUST BE ONLINE" mentality.


Online play adds replay value. Also the AI in nintendo games get boring (besides mario party) Ever play SSBM? The AI gets easy after a while and then you just get tired of them What about MK:DD! Some people don't but the game for the racing, some buy it for the versus mode. No bots in versus mode? and some of us dont have 4 peopel to play with all the time and MK:DD just isnt a fun game with just 2 people.

How about a non-nintendo game?

SMB2 was a fine game... another point were AI sucked tho.

[CoffeeEdge]

And you call Wind Waker and Mario Sunshine boring and crappy games, and then blow your cash on that shit?
How dare you call Fugitive Hunter shit! How dare you!

[/sarcasm]

According to troy, the frighteningly bad reviews for Fugitive Hunter don't matter, because he doesn't trust the media (I kinda agree). He just HAS to see how bad it is for himself.

If he tried to defend the game as being good, then...god, I just can't even imagine.



Online play adds replay value. Also the AI in nintendo games get boring (besides mario party) Ever play SSBM? The AI gets easy after a while and then you just get tired of them What about MKD! Some people don't but the game for the racing, some buy it for the versus mode. No bots in versus mode? and some of us dont have 4 peopel to play with all the time and MKD just isnt a fun game with just 2 people.

How about a non-nintendo game?

SMB2 was a fine game... another point were AI sucked tho.
SMB2? You mean Super Mario Bros 2?...No. There's no way you're talking about the AI in a nearly 20-year-old platformer. There's just no way.

Oh, wait...you must mean Super Monkey Ball 2. OK, sorry bout that.

Again, games don't all have to have this super-ultra-intelligent AI. I have a lot more fun plowing through the charge-you-head-on monsters in Gauntlet II than I do fighting annoying FPS enemies that flail about and occasionally get the bright idea of hiding behind a barrel or something.

And again, like I said, I don't give a shit about online. It's OK if it's there, but it's just a bonus. Games were fun in the 30 years they existed without online play. Games don't HAVE to have it to be good. I'm sick of that mentality, and it is indefensible, in my opinion.

Advanced AI and online modes alone do NOT a good video game make.

[judyjudyjudy]

SMB2? You mean Super Mario Bros 2?...No. There's no way you're talking about the AI in a nearly 20-year-old platformer. There's just no way.

Like I said, I don't give a shit about online. It's OK if it's there, but it's just a bonus. Games were fun in the 30 years they existed without online play. Games don't HAVE to have it to be good. I'm sick of that mentality, and it is indefensible, in my opinion.
I'm going to guess he means Super Monkey Ball 2?

And the discussion seems to have moved elsewhere.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56071

Edited to add: CoffeeEdge caught it, nm.

[Roufuss]

I deleted the original post.



You little immature brats can continue your name-calling & back-stabbing bullshit. I refuse to participate. FUCKING GROW UP. LEAN SOME FUCKING MANNERS.

troy

lol!!

And here I thought you were going to tell us another JCPenney's story about rude customers and how we reminded you of them.

[CoffeeEdge]

I deleted the original post.
Only to post it a THIRD fuckING TIME over here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56071).

I swear, I just can't make heads or tails of the shit you pull, troy.

And hey, wait...no you did NOT delete the OP! It's still there (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1071423&postcount=1)!

[CoffeeEdge]

All the numerous posts telling me I'm an "asshole" or an "idiot" has NOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine, or the Wind Wanker, or Animal Crossing, or any of the other trash I mentioned in post #1.
The numerous posts calling you an idot or an asshole, eh? Could you please point these numerous posts out to me? Because I'm not seeing them.

The only thing is when j.elles said "stop assuming just because i'm a Nintendo fan i'm a kid. Starting to come off as a serous asshole. Tone it down."

Sounds like YOU were being a jerk assuming things about him. So, aside from that post saying that you were STARTING to come off as an asshole, please, point out all this name calling in this thread.

[CoffeeEdge]

And many other stabs in the back. I don't care if people say, "I disagree. The Cube has lots of good games," but I don't see any need to viciously attack me.
Then might I kindly say you might want to get the hell off the internet. I explained it here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1072386&postcount=13). I'm sure you can understand it.

Edit: That thread was deleted. Here's what I had to say:
Yes, I'm full aware of the concepts of manners. I know proper etiquette. And yes, I do think it would be pleasant if everyone used them.

But look. That's just not how it is. No matter how many times you repeat your song and dance about manners, you can never force anyone to follow them. Furthermore, you don't have the power to make any of the people ridiculing you regret it, or feel bad about it. You, my friend, like all of us, are powerless to affect any of your fellows.

It's futile. Just move on. For god's sake, your whole manners schtick is really starting to sound sad these days. It's just so futile...you might at least be earning some pity, repeating it so often, and sticking by it so steadfastly.

And by the way, these were hardly stabs in the back. There was no deception or secrecy involved, so you'd be better referring to them as "stabs in the face," or chest perhaps. :)

Also, a few other things regarding "insults" we've tossed at you...I'll go through the list.
"Flamebaiter" - Well, reposting as it's own thread a comment which had previously been flamed would seem to be flamebaiting. It's not our fault if you did it accidentally. As far as we knew, you did it on purpose.

"You sound like a whiner" - Well, with all your manners/"be nice to me" speeches, you can kind of come off that way.

"Attention-whorer" - See my comment on you being called a "flamebaiter."

Also, these aren't NECESSARILY insults, ya know? They could be just plain adjectives. Someone could call you a whiner and not mean it as an insult. They could just be saying that you whine a lot. :)

[phatbunbao]

People, People! Can't we all just get along? Let's all try to stop the fighting and the useless bickering and start focusing on the luv... I'll go get my bottle of K-Y

[CoffeeEdge]

What's your solution? To just ignore the insults?

Maybe you could just ignore being called a moron, but I can not.
In a word, yes. And if you can't pull off the easy task of ignoring a meaningless online insult, then you have my condolances. Life must be hard for you. And I mean that sincerely.

No one's going to apologize to you. It's not like that's how I personally want it to be (quite the opposite), but that's how it is. Either deal with it, or make yourself miserable over it, which you unfortunately seem to do.

The internet is stupid, man. Whatcha gonna do?

Set yourself free! Don't let it get to you. It's nothing but text on a screen. Once you learn to just ignore it, trust me...it's quite enlightening.

[CoffeeEdge]

I will try your "ignore" approach. We'll see what happens.

troy
Trust me, you'll be the better for it. :)

[SkyGheNe]

Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion



BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.



While I'm on a roll, I might as well continue. I am *very* disappointed with the Cube. I loved the N64 games: Mario64, Zelda64, Banjo-Kazooie - true masterpieces, but not the Cube versions:



BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.
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Yep, disappointing. The Cube is nowhere as good a console as the N64 & Super Nintendo were. The games don't measure up. They don't feel like Nintendo games, but sloppy-made (and boring) 3rd party games.

troy

I know I'm coming in late - but your analysis of the console isn't very objective. In my opinion - the GC blows the n64 out of the fucking water.

Why?

For it's time the n64 was just...dissapointing. Still catridge based with a handful of titles - while the playstation at the time had such an incredible library (not as much multiplayer though).

MY GC collection is bigger than my n64 collection will ever be. Here are games that IMO I will never sell.

Mario Power Tennis GC
Metroid Prime 2
Metroid Prime
Megaman Anniversary
F ZERO GX
Zelda Collection
Wind Waker
Ikaruga
Mario Kart
Paper Mario
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes
Mario Paryt Five
Tales of Symphonia
Eternal Darkness
Sonic Mega Collection
Baten Kaitos

There's tons of titles that I really love and enjoy in there. And if I don't like them, I can appreciate them for the great games that they are. I own all three consoles and the XBOX is the console I play the least (not saying it's bad though). The fact that gba games can be played using a gameboy player really excites me as well - considering I have a 20+ gba game library.

[electrictroy]

I liked the analogy used by someone else, earlier in this thread:
PS1 = lots of games, but of mediocre quality
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality

I think the same analogy can be used comparing Nintendo's consoles:
CUBE= lots of games, but mediocre quality (Sunshine not as good as Mario64... WW not as good as Zelda64)
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality, that outshine the Cube versions




BTW, I stand by my original mesage. All the numerous posts have NOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, or any of the other trash I mentioned in post #1. As for the "you liked their games in the past, because you were a kid, and now you're an adult," that doesn't fit. I first played Mario64/Zelda64 when I was 30, and I still think they're superior to the Sunshine/Wind Waker sequels.

The Cube games just aren't fun. They play like Nintendo "rushed" to finish them, and don't have the same polish as past games.

These games were BORING... which is a horrible thing for a game.






it's just your opinionNo shit Sherlock. You must be a bloomin' genius. OF COURSE everything I write is my opinion.

troy

[integralsmatic]

:lol:

[maxflight]

I liked the analogy used by someone else, earlier in this thread:
PS1 = lots of games, but of mediocre quality
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality

I think the same analogy can be used comparing Nintendo's consoles:
CUBE= lots of games, but mediocre quality (Sunshine not as good as Mario64... WW not as good as Zelda64)
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality, that outshine the Cube versions




BTW, I stand by my original mesage. All the numerous posts haveNOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine, or the Wind Wanker, or Animal Crossing, or any of the other trash I mentioned in post #1.

As for the "you liked their games in the past, because you were a kid, and now you're an adult," that doesn't fit. I first played Mario64/Zelda64 when I was 30, and I still think they're superior to the Sunshine/Wind Waker sequels.

The Cube games just aren't fun. They play like Nintendo "rushed" to finish them, and don't have the same polish as past games.

These games were BORING... which is a horrible thing for a game.






No shit Sherlock. You must be a bloomin' genius. OF COURSE everything I write is my opinion.

troy

OP, since you like skies of arcadia legends. you must do yourself a favor and play BOTH namco rpgs: tales of symphonia and baten kaitos. both are far superior to skies of arcadia.

oh yeah there's RE4 as well

[SkyGheNe]

I liked the analogy used by someone else, earlier in this thread:
PS1 = lots of games, but of mediocre quality
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality



I think the same analogy can be used comparing Nintendo's consoles:
CUBE= lots of games, but mediocre quality (Sunshine not as good as Mario64... WW not as good as Zelda64)
N64 = few games, but of masterpiece quality, that outshine the Cube versions

Too bad the person who used that analogy wasn't in their right mind. Off the top of my head - here are some excellent ps1 titles.

FF7
Xenogears
Brave Fencer Musashi
Castlevania: SOTN
Alundra
Lunar 1
Lunar 2
Twisted Metal
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Metal Gear Solid
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Puzzle Fighter
Final Fantasy Tactics
Vandal Hearts
Vagrant Story
Grandia
Silent Hill
Gran Tourismo
Dance Dance Revolution
Arc the Lad Collection
Legend of Dragoon
Einhander
Tekken (any of them)
Grand Theft Autos
Breath of Fire III
Tales of Destiny
Dragon Warrior 7
-End List-
Most of them are RPG's because that's where I come from - but you'd be a fool to say there was a "large library with mediocre games."

Let's look at some assumptions okay?

PS1 Releases: 200 Games
50: Shitty
100: Good Games
50: EXCELLENT games

N64 Releases: 100 Games
25: Shitty
50: Good Games
25: EXCELLENT games.

I'm afraid the "large library with a lot of mediocre games" doesn't work out. Even if 75 games out fo their library were shitty, they still come out on top. Whoever made that analogy was dillusional and never owned a playstation or can't assess a game objectively.



BTW, I stand by my original mesage. All the numerous posts haveNOT persuaded me to like Mario Sunshine, or the Wind Wanker, or Animal Crossing, or any of the other trash I mentioned in post #1.

The Cube games just aren't fun. They play like Nintendo "rushed" to finish them, and don't have the same polish as past games.

These games were BORING... which is a horrible thing for a game.

No shit Sherlock. You must be a bloomin' genius. OF COURSE everything I write is my opinion.

I'm not trying to persuade you or even convince you that you are wrong. To you, the games on GC are boring and less entertaining. That isn't a fact or reality though (In my opinion the n64 was one of the worst systems nintendo has ever put out). Wind Waker was a good game - even a great game - but I myself couldn't stand traveling the high seas. However, even with all my criticisms and inability to finish the game, I can acknowledge it as a solid adventure title.

In regard to the "rushed" feeling...the industry in general is heading in that direction. Look at all the shit they left out of God of War, Halo 2, KOTOR, and other games. It's sad - but they have pressure to pump out blockbuster hits every year and in the case of the GC, every month (due to the lack of third party support). To me, the GC is more successful and has a larger library of games that I love - and a larger library of games that are blockbusters (viewtiful joe and such, resident evil 4).

[soulwish2003]

Most of the 'Veteran' users love the Cube. Too bad you don't enjoy the system... Maybe try a PS2 and all of the EA games? Those might be what you will enjoy playing.





Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion



BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.



While I'm on a roll, I might as well continue. I am *very* disappointed with the Cube. I loved the N64 games: Mario64, Zelda64, Banjo-Kazooie - true masterpieces, but not the Cube versions:



BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.
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Yep, disappointing. The Cube is nowhere as good a console as the N64 & Super Nintendo were. The games don't measure up. They don't feel like Nintendo games, but sloppy-made (and boring) 3rd party games.

troy

[electrictroy]

Wind Waker was a good game - even a great game - but I myself couldn't stand traveling the high seas. However, even with all my criticisms and inability to finish the game, I can acknowledge it as a solid adventure title.I don't understand modern reviews (like yours). "I thought Wind Waker was boring, but it's still a great game." Huh? Say what? Great according to who? Not you because you admitted you didn't enjoy the game, so why do you call it "great"?




At least when I write, "I thought Wind Waker was boring, and I rate it as a bad game," I'm giving an *honest review* of what I thought. WW has many, many flaws:
- lame story
- puzzles that were not even challenging (too easy)
- lame push-over monsters (again too easy)
- bosses that were also too easy
- only 5 dungeons instead of 8 or 9 like previous games
- triforce fetching that was incredibly boring
- sailing on the sea that was incredibly boring
- a final boss that was a joke - not even a challenge



That's an honest review. It's NOT a good adventure game, because it has serious flaws. If it were up to me, Wind Waker would go into the same trash heap as BMX XXX or Driver 3.

troy

[Mattte]

If it were up to me, Wind Waker would go into the same trash heap as BMX XXX or Driver 3.


Saying Wind Waker is bad is acceptable but placing it with BMX XXX is inane.

As for the boss battle, it was one of the greatest experiences I've had playing videogames it was so immersive.

Do yourself a favor and go play Pikmin.

[Rei no Otaku]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Shinji2120/20050606.jpg

[mookiemeister]

I loved Animal Crossing. I played it for about an hour every day for a few weeks. The point of the game is not to immediately play all you can, but rather to play a bit every day for a long time.

I agree. I got Animal Crossing a year ago and I still play it around 30 minutes or so every day.

[SkyGheNe]

I don't understand modern reviews (like yours). "I thought Wind Waker was boring, but it's still a great game." Huh? Say what? Great according to who? Not you because you admitted you didn't enjoy the game, so why do you call it "great"?




At least when I write, "I thought Wind Waker was boring, and I rate it as a bad game," I'm giving an *honest review* of what I thought. WW has many, many flaws:
- lame story
- puzzles that were not even challenging (too easy)
- lame push-over monsters (again too easy)
- bosses that were also too easy
- only 5 dungeons instead of 8 or 9 like previous games
- triforce fetching that was incredibly boring
- sailing on the sea that was incredibly boring
- a final boss that was a joke - not even a challenge



That's an honest review. It's NOT a good adventure game, because it has serious flaws. If it were up to me, Wind Waker would go into the same trash heap as BMX XXX or Driver 3.

troy

It isn't a modern review. It's an objective review. The gameplay in Wind Waker was very fun - the Bosses were impressive (albeit, easy), and the story wasn't anymore complex than the previous installments. I heard that the ending is fantastic - once again - the thing that turned me off was the sailing, but does this flaw (a flaw IN MY OPINION - it may not technically be a flaw) cause the game's 8.5-9.1 value to drop to a 4.3? No. The game was a very pretty and enjoyable game to play when I didn't have to sail the boat. The "only five" dungeons argument is also misleading.

Wind Waker Dungeons
3.1.....Forsaken Fortress
3.2.....Dragon Roost Cavern
3.3.....Forbidden Woods
3.4.....Tower of the Gods
3.5.....Forsaken Fortress Part II
3.6.....Earth Temple
3.7.....Wind Temple
3.8.....Final Dungeon

Ocarina of Time

~Inside the Deku Tree
~Dodongo's Cavern
~Inside the Jabu-Jabu's Belly
~Ocarina of Time
~Forest Temple
~Fire Temple
~Ice Cavern
~Water Temple
~Bottom of Well
~Shadow Temple
~Spirit Temple
~Ganon's Castle

Link to the Past

-Total of 9-10 Dungeons

While Wind Waker comes off short from the others - it is by no means a short
game. While it is easier - that is the way most games are going. Very few games
to me are difficult. Last game I had any problems with was Devil May Cry 3 and
Ninja Gaiden. Everything else has been a joke. Yes, that means Megaman Zero
wasn't that hard.
That is what being objective means. I'll give another example.

Forza Motor Sport. I hate that game with a pure, unbridled rage and get angry, frustrated, and bored with it after playing it for about five minutes.

Is it a bad game? No.

Why? Because it is beautifully graphically - the gameplay (while not to me) is amazing - it has a good rock soundtrack and has a huge library of cars.

This is how I try to assess games and consoles. I try not to let my personal biases and preferences to completely blind me to the good things that it has to offer (although, again, personally it's hard for me to have fun or see the good with Forza lol).

It's okay to give reviews true to yourself - but if you want to remain credible - you can't allow certain preferences to interview with an objective review. Now on a personal level - I think you do a good job of reviewing a title.

[brainstorm]

I love my gamecube and it has been far from disappointing, the only disappointing
part is that it doesnt get alot of 3rd party support...


but look at games like eternal darkness, that was a great game and different, thats what nintendo does, makes games that are different than other consoles...

and for the little 3rd party support that it got, i enjoy the 3rd party games on gc more than ps2(i dont have much xbox experience), for example i have nhl 2004 for gc, and its amazing, the graphics are crisp, the gameplay is fluid, i played the same game ported to ps2, and its choppy, the players dont look as good, it was just a downgrade

same goes for the bond games, great ports that run smooth and look very good

bottom line is that nintendo might target a little bit of a younger audience, and that might not appease to you, but they make alot of games for older people as well, and they do a damn good job at it, im not taking anything away from ps2 or xbox, they make some damn good games too, but someone mentioned earlier than nintendo shouldve went online this generation and i completely agree, they underestimated how big online play would be... but dont knock a system cuz theres only 5 games that you like on it, im sure there are more games you would like on the system and many games that you play on other systems and enjoy that gamecube offers as well

[js1]

Wow! I love my GC. I never bothered with getting a 64.

[SkyGheNe]

I love my gamecube and it has been far from disappointing, the only disappointing
part is that it doesnt get alot of 3rd party support...


but look at games like eternal darkness, that was a great game and different, thats what nintendo does, makes games that are different than other consoles...

and for the little 3rd party support that it got, i enjoy the 3rd party games on gc more than ps2(i dont have much xbox experience), for example i have nhl 2004 for gc, and its amazing, the graphics are crisp, the gameplay is fluid, i played the same game ported to ps2, and its choppy, the players dont look as good, it was just a downgrade

same goes for the bond games, great ports that run smooth and look very good

bottom line is that nintendo might target a little bit of a younger audience, and that might not appease to you, but they make alot of games for older people as well, and they do a damn good job at it, im not taking anything away from ps2 or xbox, they make some damn good games too, but someone mentioned earlier than nintendo shouldve went online this generation and i completely agree, they underestimated how big online play would be... but dont knock a system cuz theres only 5 games that you like on it, im sure there are more games you would like on the system and many games that you play on other systems and enjoy that gamecube offers as well

One of the things that anger me is how bad a ps2 port is. Sonic Heroes is utterly atrocious graphically and horrible with loading times.

[GreenMonkey]

I can kinda see the OP's point...a little blunt, but there.

Honestly I found I liked Zelda WW a lot but I found it generally way too easy...occasionally a boss character killed me, and that was it...I haven't gone back to playing it again yet. I haven't played the N64 Zeldas, though I do have the collector's disc.

Animal Crossing is supposed to be played a bit at a time over a long period - the replies are right, there. A different kind of game - if you don't like that kind of game (I'm not that keen on them myself), fine, but it is a good game.

However, there are some killer cube games. Mario Kart DD was awesome...better IMO than Mario 64...except for the Battle Mode sucking hard on DD. I guess Monkey Ball was ported to the other consoles, but for a long time it was only on the cube. Paper Mario is supposed to be good (only seen a little bit of it - I got it for my wife but the cube is broken).

In all fairness, Skies of Arcadia is cool but also a port with a few tweaks (I still have the DC version, haven't upgraded yet). I haven't played but I have it - Tales of Symphonia - well-reviewed. OMG the HORROR of QUEST64, GC wins on RPGs, hands-down.

I haven't liked Platformers much since they went 3D to the "collect stuff" mentality, so I can't comment on Mario Sunshine much.

As far as Smash Bros, it is better on Cube than N64 and a very good game. If you don't have friends to play it with, fine, but fighting games suck without someone to play it with. I'm just as bored with Smash Bros single player as I am with Tekken/Soul Calibur/Street Fighter. I don't have friends to play it with either anymore, but I don't conclude it sucks. Fighting games suck single player.


Stuff I remember playing on my roommate's N64: Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Quake 1. The cube needs a frickin' equivalent of Goldeneye,

[BIG5]

You know, there are some excellent GCN games that aren't sequels to N64 games. That is a really dumb way to compare consoles. It's like saving PS2 sucks because MGS1 was better than MGS2.

[MaxBiaggi2]

I never bothered with getting a 64.

Where's the love? Although N64 wasn't a perfect system, it certainly wasn't Nintendo's worst (that would be Virtua Boy), and it did have a number of excellent exclusive games in its time (Goldeneye 007, Paper Mario, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, etc.).

EB Games has had N64 systems for sale used for as little as $9.99 over the past couple of years, and given the falling prices of N64 games, I can't imagine not being able to experience Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, etc. using the controller and system they were created for.

[Rei no Otaku]

I can't imagine not being able to experience Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, etc. using the controller and system they were created for.

I can, since I think those games sucked.

Anyway, I own a GC and it's definitely the console I play the least (I own them all). I went into it knowing that though. I bought it mainly for the RE games, of which I'm a huge fan. I hate Nintendo's first party offerings. Zelda, Metroid, Mario etc. Ugh. Warioware and Fire Emblem is all they need to make for me.

There were some nice surprises. Tales of Symphonia was quite good, and even though I owned the DC version, more Skies of Arcadia is always welcome. So I definitely see where the OP is coming from. If not for RE I'd have skipped a GC like I skipped the N64.

[rubaiyat]

Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion



BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.



While I'm on a roll, I might as well continue. I am *very* disappointed with the Cube. I loved the N64 games: Mario64, Zelda64, Banjo-Kazooie - true masterpieces, but not the Cube versions:



BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.
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Yep, disappointing. The Cube is nowhere as good a console as the N64 & Super Nintendo were. The games don't measure up. They don't feel like Nintendo games, but sloppy-made (and boring) 3rd party games.

troy

I have to ask how Super Smash Bros (I assume you mean Melee) was bad on GC and taken as a negative, and yet not a negative on N64? And if they were both bad (as inexplicable a comment as that is)...how then can you claim it a negative on a rant about the Gamecube.

[MaxBiaggi2]

I can, since I think those games sucked.

Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time both sucked?! You've just sunk to the level of the OP. Both of these games won great critical praise and enjoyed considerable support from consumers in their time on N64. If you can't appreciate anything these games have to offer, there is clearly something wrong with you.

[GuilewasNK]

Saxon=Joke Account

[electrictroy]

Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time both sucked?! You've just sunk to the level of the OP. OP here. I never said that. I think both games are masterpieces, and far superior to their Cube sequels.

Troy

[electrictroy]

I have to ask how Super Smash Bros (I assume you mean Melee) was bad on GC and taken as a negative, and yet not a negative on N64? And if they were both bad (as inexplicable a comment as that is)...how then can you claim it a negative on a rant about the Gamecube.



Feelings have no logic. The Cube is a disappointment. The N64 (which I bought later... used) was more fun.

troy

[jkam]

It is all an opinion and should be treated as such. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion.

If you really don't like your CUBE please box it up nicely and send it over my way it will find a loving home.

[electrictroy]

I'll be selling my Cube at Christmas time (along with the games I didn't like).

And buying the Revolution ~ 6 months later.

troy

[redgopher]

Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion

I'll give you that.


BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

You're a fucking idiot.

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

I question your statement of actually having any friends.

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.

Your intelligence astounds me.

BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

You need to wash your brain.


BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

God damn you. Microsoft bought Rare, a million ages ago.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.

It's all three perhaps?

Yep, disappointing. The Cube is nowhere as good a console as the N64 & Super Nintendo were. The games don't measure up. They don't feel like Nintendo games, but sloppy-made (and boring) 3rd party games.

The only good N64 exclusive games that I remember having fun with were Mario 64, Wave Race, Doom 64 and Goldeneye, while every single Cube game I have in my collection (link of which is in my signature) I have a blast with every time I play.

You should probably just go kill yourself, since you are apparently incapable of having fun.

EDIT: I just read that PS1 analogy... oh my lord... look at my collection again, that's some primo shit I've got there. Final Fantasy? Orgasm. You're such a god damn tool.

[integralsmatic]

my cube worked great as a dust collector...greatest tool of all time

[electrictroy]

I can some up my experience with Mario Sunshine, Zelda WW, Animal, and SF Adventures in one word:

Boring.

Before you get all "attacky", remember this is just an *opinion*. So chill. Sorry to those who liked the games, but I didn't. When I finished these games, I felt as though I had wasted my time.

I didn't feel that with Mario 64, Banjo 1, Banjo 2, or Zelda 64.




For those who keep bringing up "third party releases"... remember: I have a PS2. The PS2 versions are often better, and that's why I play them instead. (For example, Megaman Collection has more videos & better control. Ditto FPS games.)

So I have virtually no third-party games for the Cube. They're all on my PS2.

troy

[Quackzilla]

Why are you even comparing common filth to the greatness that is Nintendo 64?



I'll be selling my Cube at Christmas time (along with the games I didn't like).

And buying the Revolution ~ 6 months later.

troy
Way to stick it to the man! :roll:

[onetrackmind]

BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.


:rofl: goddamn that was funny

[javeryh]

The GameCube might be my favorite system of all time. I definitely play it the most and I get the most enjoyment out of it. Outside of a few Rare made games (Banjo, Jet Force Gemini, Goldeneye and Conker) the Gamecube surpasses the N64 in almost every single way.

Mario 64 was great for its time but Mario Sunshine is a deeper, tougher and more fun game (except for those damn blue coins and perhaps the variety of worlds to explore). Zelda - I'll have to give it to Ocarina of Time but only because the game was a little tougher overall and had way more dungeons. If WW actually had a need for hearts/faeries and had about 3-4 more dungeons instead of collecting the triforce then it would be the better game. SSBM is better on the cube. Waverace is better on the cube. Mario Kart is better on the cube. Etc. Plus there is Super Monkey Ball, Resident Evil, Metroid Prime, Ikaruga, Pikmin, the bongos, and a bunch of other great games/series for the cube that weren't on the N64. The Gamecube is just better, IMO.

[jkam]

For those who keep bringing up "third party releases"... remember: I have a PS2. The PS2 versions are often better, and that's why I play them instead. (For example, Megaman Collection has more videos & better control. Ditto FPS games.)

So I have virtually no third-party games for the Cube. They're all on my PS2.

troy

I would have to disagree with this statement. The Cube handles most third party games much better than the PS2. The graphics are often cleaner and look better. I don't like the FPS genre so I will take your word that control is better on the PS2 (I'm guessing dual analog sticks is the reason).

THE ONE MAJOR AND MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE THOUGH IS FUCKING LOAD TIMES!!! I had prince of persia sands of time on the PS2 and played it some. The load times sucked so I traded it in and got the Cube version. The Cube version had virtually no load times and the game was much more enjoyable as I didn't have to wait to replay a portion if I died. I know for some it isn't a big deal but if you play both side by side you'll see the difference.

I also prefer the Wavebird to any other controller. I have and like the logitech wireless controller for my PS2 but the Wavebird fits my hands better. I realize this wouldn't be the same for everyone.

The N64 had some good games but I think it had the weakest for any Nintendo Console. I went with the Playstation over the N64 but now I own both.

[electrictroy]

Mario 64 was great for its time but Mario Sunshine is a deeper, tougher and more fun game (except for those damn blue coins and perhaps the variety of worlds to explore). This is a funny sentence. To summarize "Sunshine is better (except it isn't)."

Mentioning those blue coins reminds me: With Mario 64, you can skip over the dumb quests. Sunshine forces you to follow a linear path - first mission 1, then mission 2, then mission 3. With M64, you can skip from 1 to 3, if you don't like 2.The Cube handles most third party games much better than the PS2. The graphics are often cleaner and look better. I don't like the FPS genre so I will take your word that control is better on the PS2 (I'm guessing dual analog sticks is the reason). Graphics on the Cube are often better, but not always. I've seen some amazing PS2 graphics.

Plus as I said, the PS2 versions include extras that didn't fit on the Cube's tiny discs. (Fighters are better on the PS2 too.)

And load times, doesn't bother me. So you wait 15 seconds between levels? So what? I use that time to go grab a beer or visit the bathroom.




Trivia: the reson the Cube has better load times is because the disc never stops spinning. That eliminates the "spin up" time.
troy

[Rei no Otaku]

Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time both sucked?! You've just sunk to the level of the OP. Both of these games won great critical praise and enjoyed considerable support from consumers in their time on N64. If you can't appreciate anything these games have to offer, there is clearly something wrong with you.

Yes, because I don't have the same taste as the majority (yes, the majority there are other people like me who actually don't like those games) there's something wrong with me.

[javeryh]

This is a funny sentence. To summarize "Sunshine is better (except it isn't)."

Um, no it doesn't. It means that Super Mario Suunshine was a better game overall except in a few small areas. You know, it is possible for a game to be much better in 98/100 things and still be considered a better game...

Mentioning those blue coins reminds me: With Mario 64, you can skip over the dumb quests. Sunshine forces you to follow a linear path - first mission 1, then mission 2, then mission 3. With M64, you can skip from 1 to 3, if you don't like

I don't know what version of Mario Sunshine you were playing but the game I played was set up exactly the same way as Mario 64. Instead of the castle as a hub there was Delfino Island - you could get the Shines/Stars in any order you wanted... I really don't think you've spent enough time with Mario Sunshine to be qualified to give an opinion....

[Quackzilla]

Exceept Sunshine only had about 6 levels, and they all had the same resort style setting.

[javeryh]

Exceept Sunshine only had about 6 levels, and they all had the same resort style setting.

yeah, that and the blue coin collecting are my only gripes about Sunshine - I still thought it was better and more polished than Mario 64 (but not nearly as revolutionary). I used to pack my dorm room full of people just to watch me play Mario 64 because there was nothing else like it at the time...

[red flare graf]

Yes, because I don't have the same taste as the majority (yes, the majority there are other people like me who actually don't like those games) there's something wrong with me.

Yeah, I'm with you there. I happened to enjoy Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, but people are so fucking fast to argue opinions here it's unreal. Sure, "My opinion differs from yours," is a fine statement, but "You're stupid for not liking these games," is just downright angering.

[electrictroy]

yeah, that and the blue coin collecting are my only gripes about Sunshine - I still thought it was better and more polished than Mario 64 Sunshine = doing the same thing over-and-over-and-over. You may call that "polish", but I call it b-o-r-i-n-g.

After I reached the third level, I quit Sunshine, and pulled out Mario64 for some *real* fun & *variety*.

troy

[javeryh]

Sunshine = doing the same thing over-and-over-and-over. You may call that "polish", but I call it b-o-r-i-n-g.

After I reached the third level, I quit Sunshine, and pulled out Mario64 for some *real* fun & *variety*.

You can probably reach the "third level" with about 10% of the shines found... you didn't really play it enough, IMO. Also, Mario 64 was doing the same thing over and over... find 8 red coins, race to the bottom/top of something, find 100 gold coins, etc. They really are almost exactly the same except for the visuals and the blue coins. Mario Sunshine was a more challenging platformer and introduced new ideas such as the water pack and the tightropes and Yoshi... I don't know - I'm sure there is no convincing you otherwise but if Mario Sunshine came out first you'd probably be saying it was the better game...

[GreenMonkey]

I sure don't really see a difference between Mario 64 and Sunshine, not being a big fan of either. In fact, most reviewers pointed out that the games were too similiar, didn't they? I seem to remember the complaint that it was just a shined-up version of Mario64 with a water jetpack.

[electrictroy]

I don't see how reviewers think M64 = Sunshine? M64 = ~30 worlds, running & jumping, racing other characters, collecting coins, swimming, sliding, hopping in cannons to soar through the air

Sunshine = ~10 worlds, floating on a "jet pack", and squirting water.

M64 has more worlds, a different play-style, and also more variety in types of tasks. It's a better game. (NOTE: I consider Banjo-Kazooie to be the best 3D platformer. It's M64 taken to perfection. Ratchet & Clank is also quite good. I'd say "tie" with BK.)


I don't think you played Sunshine enough No because I was bored! Jeez. I've said that multiple times. B-o-r-i-n-g. Why would I want to continue a game, that I think is boring? That would be dumb.



troy

[Blade]

Good Games: Metroid Prime
Mario Kart-DD
Fzero
Skies of Arcadia
Luigi's Mansion



BAD: Zelda - Wind Waker - this just sucked. I sold it three weeks after I bought it! I can't believe how dumbed down this game was - poor storyline (or should I say- what storyline?), dumb characters, ridiculously easy battles & puzzles. It was also incredibly tedious collecting triforce pieces & bribing tingle. The only thing I liked about the game was the video & sound. (Bottom line - I'd rather replay Zelda Ocarina on my N64.)

BAD: Super Smash Bros - this would probably be fun with friends, but at my age (33), nobody plays games anymore, so no human competition. Just me & the computer. And SSB vs. the computer just sucks. (I prefer Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter.)

BAD: Animal Crossing - What's the point of this game? Buy a house, get a mortgage, and work to pay it off. Well guess what? I already do that in real life!!! And it's not fun. And neither is this game. I sold it the day after I bought it.

BAD: Mario Sunshine - serious lack of variety - Spray, spray, spray - repeat, repeat, repeat. Also not fun. You want me to wash the world? Look, I *just* did that - I washed my car, my house, my clothes, and my kitchen floor. No it wasn't fun, and neither is this game.

BAD: No banjo-kazooie. Where's my banjo-kazooie? Best platformer ever made, but no sequel for the Cube.

BAD: Starfox Adventures - what the?!?!? This game's a complete mess. Can't decide if it's a platformer or a zelda-clone or a shooter.

The Wind Waker was great! Did you beat the game? I know that most things were easy, but it had some challenging puzzles towards the end. The final battle was great, albeit time-consuming. It has good replayability value, and I found the buried treasure hunts exciting. It was no Ocarina, but it had new and refreshing ideas.

SSBM is bad if you don't have a friend to play with. However, the 300+ trophies levels it out. Beating all 51 levels in Event mode, and not losing a life in Adventure mode on Very Hard makes it worth playing to me. I usually only play it against a martial arts expert with quicker-than-death reflexes, so it's exciting.

Animal Crossing is the purest RPG possible. If you had more friends that played this game, then you could do a lot more. Whenever you go to someone else's town, you can get special bonus items not available in yours. Also, the townfolk of that person's town will send you things. It's Nintendo's answer to The Sims, and it's infinitely more entertaining.

I don't really like Mario Sunshine either. It's hard to do things, and sometimes it doesn't save. The block levels are pretty retarded.

After the N64, they started making dumbed-down B-K games for the GBA. I've heard rumors that it's coming back on the Revolution.

Star Fox Aventures is bad, but Star Fox Assault is pretty good. Nothing is going to compare to SF64, so Assault is probably the best we'll get.

These are some games you should add to the "good" side of your list:

Geist
Resident Evil 4
Killer 7
Metroid Prime 2
Odama
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Tales of Symphonia

[electrictroy]

The Wind Waker was great! Did you beat the game? The final battle was great, albeit time-consuming.
Yeah, I beat the game *without dying*. It's really sad when a game is so easy, that you can play 40 hours w/o dying. ----- The final battle only takes me ~5 minutes. I can beat the final boss with just 4 strikes. Pathetic. Ocarina of Time's second-to-last battle, in the castle tower, was much much much more satisfying. There's a 50-50 chance of losing, so when you finally win, you actually *feel* like a hero.



Wind Waker's story was pathetic too. Ganandorf is back, and yet the world is still a happy, cheery place. You don't feel like "doom" is upon you. Feels like everything's normal.

Ocarina had a much better story, with historical flashbacks about the birth of the world, the fall of Hyrule into Ganon's Hell, the time travel, the "hidden princess" as helper, the sages, and the various sub-plots about how ordinary people are coping with living under a dictatorship. It started cheery, and turn very very dark. A truly great tale.


Animal Crossing is the purest RPG possible AC's not an RPG. RPGs are based upon battles, statistics, and equations to determine the outcome of those battles. They rely on numbers and "rolling the dice" to determine results.

AC is a "life simulator" like Harvest Moon or the Sims. Since I already have a life simulator (the real world), I don't see any reason to play these games.

troy

[Rodimus]

I think the X-Box sucks, that must make you mad right?

[electrictroy]

No, because I agree.

The Console is okay, but the Xbox games are lousy. Nothing but FPSes, and I hate FPSes. (And the non-FPS games are lame compared to higher-quality games on the PS2 or Cube.)

troy

[SkyGheNe]

Yeah, I beat the game *without dying*. It's really sad when a game is so easy, that you can play 40 hours w/o dying. ----- The final battle only takes me ~5 minutes. I can beat the final boss with just 4 strikes. Pathetic. Ocarina of Time's second-to-last battle, in the castle tower, was much much much more satisfying. There's a 50-50 chance of losing, so when you finally win, you actually *feel* like a hero.



Wind Waker's story was pathetic too. Ganandorf is back, and yet the world is still a happy, cheery place. You don't feel like "doom" is upon you. Feels like everything's normal.

Ocarina had a much better story, with historical flashbacks about the birth of the world, the fall of Hyrule into Ganon's Hell, the time travel, the "hidden princess" as helper, the sages, and the various sub-plots about how ordinary people are coping with living under a dictatorship. It started cheery, and turn very very dark. A truly great tale.


AC's not an RPG. RPGs are based upon battles, statistics, and equations to determine the outcome of those battles. They rely on numbers and "rolling the dice" to determine results.

AC is a "life simulator" like Harvest Moon or the Sims. Since I already have a life simulator (the real world), I don't see any reason to play these games.

troy

RPG = Role Playing Game.

Doesn't have to be about physical stats or battles.

[electrictroy]

Animal Crossing is not an RPG. RPGs are based upon battles, statistics, and equations to determine the outcome of those battles. They rely on numbers and "rolling the dice" to determine results. AC is not that"RPG = Role Playing Game. Doesn't have to be about statistics or battles.


By that definition *every* game is an RPG (even Pac-Man).

Obviously your definition is waaaaay too broad. You need to narrow it down.

troy