Am I wrong, or is it just "Cool" to be a Democrat?

[JohnHam]

In the teenage-to-mid-twenties' generation, I see more and more people who are grossly uninformed choosing the Democratic party because it's seen as cool to be a Dem and just old and stiff to be a Republican.

Is it possible that with the large amount of uninformed voters, more votes will be based upon being hip instead of having a position on issues?

This post is neither Republican nor Democrat, it's just a discussion of this odd trend.

[CTLesq]

I believe it is a popular choice among the poor and naive.

CTL

[bignick]

As one poster put it in another thread, the democratic party rides on emotions.......


edited due to fat fingers.

[starman9000]

I think it depends on which part of the country you are in. Lots of young republicans around here.

But generally the trend follows Churchill who said something to this effect:
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

BTW, CTL I think the naive poor tend to vote Rep. and the Naive rich tend to vote Dem.

Edit: Had to add some more thoughts.
Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.

The way people vote isnt becoming more about being hip. Its been that way for a while. Dont buy into the trash that only Dems are being duped by it. People tend to vote for who they think is most likeable. Clinton, Bush, Arnold, Jesse V.

[SneakyPenguin]

i neverhave to worry about choosing a party, i hate both. im an anarchist, and i think its very uncool to be blindly follow any one party.

[JohnHam]

Had to add some more thoughts.
Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.


Whoa buddy, I said they were uninformed because they were. I'm not telling anyone here whether I consider myself a donkey or elephant.

When I vote, I vote for whomever represents my beliefs best.

[MightySlacker]

Of course it's the cool thing to do. Lieberman is one hip MF'er - all the kids want to be like him.

Although, to the anarchy fan, I would like to know what your ideal alternative would be to the current government.

Dave Olson
*SUPER DUPER INTERNET CELEBRITY SUPASTAR~!* TM.

[SneakyPenguin]

Although, to the anarchy fan, I would like to know what your ideal alternative would be to the current government.

Dave Olson
*SUPER DUPER INTERNET CELEBRITY SUPASTAR~!* TM.

simple, marxist communism. not the flawed crap in the former ussr, the true idea behind marxes theory. i know it can never happen, its just cant work, but imo that is the best.

and technically, our government isnt really democracy, its more of a mix of democracy and a republic.

[JohnHam]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

[ryanbph]

Most of the younger crowd has historically been democrat voters, our high schools and colleges are filled with liberal teachers. On the positive side, the younger generations also hasn't historically shown up to vote.

[SneakyPenguin]

ok yea your right, i meant that. i dont like how its caled democracy when we really dont make many choices for ourselves. we only indirectly choose our elected leader.

[JohnHam]

We elect everyone, but I assume you're complaining about the Electoral College.

I can understand the confusion/frustration, but regardless we are voting the President into office, though indirectly.

[starman9000]

Had to add some more thoughts.
Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.


Whoa buddy, I said they were uninformed because they were. I'm not telling anyone here whether I consider myself a donkey or elephant.

When I vote, I vote for whomever represents my beliefs best.

Wasnt trying to single you out there. Just speaking in general. But when you say more and more people who are grossly uniformed vote democrat that kind of needs elaboration or proof (since most Americans are uniformed wouldnt your trend mean there should be more Dem victories) But whatever

[jmcc]

I think it's more a matter of Dems just looking cool as compared to the colossal chumps that are the GOP.

[JohnHam]

I think the Democrats would win a lot more, except for a few select tools (I dislike Lieberman) messing up the young vote.

[Jrunt20x]

Sneakypenguin is the one who is uninformed here. Marx was not a communist, he was a socialist there is a big big difference there buddy.

[CTLesq]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

In a democracy you vote for your leaders.

In a republic you vote for the people who vote for your leaders.

There is a difference. And it is important.

CTL

[jmcc]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

In a democracy you vote for your leaders.

In a republic you vote for the people who vote for your leaders.

There is a difference. And it is important.

CTL

The last election stands as evidence of that quite well.

[CTLesq]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

In a democracy you vote for your leaders.

In a republic you vote for the people who vote for your leaders.

There is a difference. And it is important.

CTL

The last election stands as evidence of that quite well.

Who knew the Founding Fathers were so brillant?

CTL

[jmcc]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

In a democracy you vote for your leaders.

In a republic you vote for the people who vote for your leaders.

There is a difference. And it is important.

CTL

The last election stands as evidence of that quite well.

Who knew the Founding Fathers were so brillant?

CTL

Their slaves, with whom they had sex, perhaps?

[CTLesq]

A Democracy and a Republic are almost one in the same, care to illustrate what a democracy/republic is?

In a democracy you vote for your leaders.

In a republic you vote for the people who vote for your leaders.

There is a difference. And it is important.

CTL

The last election stands as evidence of that quite well.

Who knew the Founding Fathers were so brillant?

CTL

Their slaves, with whom they had sex, perhaps?

Don't knock slave @ss until you have had it.

CTL

[edtinney]

JohmHam, it's about time somebody said it. I get sick of all these liberals that I have to put up with in Model Congress and other classes and organizations. You also have to understand that the media appealing to a younger demographic (MTV, Comedy Central, etc.) tends to be overwhelmingly liberal (and Jewish I might add). A lot of liberal kids I know have unfounded ideas of what the parties' ideals are. It pleases me that I am not a dying breed. Be sure to convey your Republican opinions to better balance the influence in our country.

Oh, and as I always say, "A liberal is a conservative who hasn't gotten mugged yet."

[SneakyPenguin]

Sneakypenguin is the one who is uninformed here. Marx was not a communist, he was a socialist there is a big big difference there buddy.

oh christ im SORRY. communism is a take on socialism. i got mixed up. gonna point out every flaw cause im in the minority?

[goatindaruffness]

How is it cool to be a democrat???
How stupid are you people???
The bottom line is gas prices are through the roof, milk prices are going up, people are dying at a record rate, more lies are told a minute by the current president than were told in years of previous ones...
He took what his father did, and took it three steps further...
It should very well be the popular opinion to want Bush out of office...
Maybe that's why you think that...
But it's never been "cool" to be a democrat, it's cool to be an independent and not care what one party says, just whomever you agree with in principle...
The thing is more people now no how dangerous Bush is and know the only way to get him out NOW is to Vote Kerry...
-Goatman

[goatindaruffness]

How is it cool to be a democrat???
How stupid are you people???
The bottom line is gas prices are through the roof, milk prices are going up, people are dying at a record rate, more lies are told a minute by the current president than were told in years of previous ones...
He took what his father did, and took it three steps further...
It should very well be the popular opinion to want Bush out of office...
Maybe that's why you think that...
But it's never been "cool" to be a democrat, it's cool to be an independent and not care what one party says, just whomever you agree with in principle...
The thing is more people now no how dangerous Bush is and know the only way to get him out NOW is to Vote Kerry...
-Goatman

[TomCloud9]

This is a capitalist country anyway so who gives a shit, no one is doing a damn thing for me. Democrat or republican.

[Jrunt20x]

tends to be overwhelmingly liberal (and Jewish I might add

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?? I'm jewish you racist ass watch what you say.

[greendj27]

JohmHam, it's about time somebody said it. I get sick of all these liberals that I have to put up with in Model Congress and other classes and organizations. You also have to understand that the media appealing to a younger demographic (MTV, Comedy Central, etc.) tends to be overwhelmingly liberal (and Jewish I might add). A lot of liberal kids I know have unfounded ideas of what the parties' ideals are. It pleases me that I am not a dying breed. Be sure to convey your Republican opinions to better balance the influence in our country.

Oh, and as I always say, "A liberal is a conservative who hasn't gotten mugged yet."

The fact that you added the line about the media being Jewish negates any possible logical point you might have had. You just ended up sounding racist and quite idiotic. There is not a massive Jewish conspiracy in the media. I just have to ask, What the hell is wrong with you?

[Quackzilla]

As one poster put it in another thread, the democratic party rides on emotions.......


edited due to fat fingers.

And the republican party rides emotion AND religion excessively.

Don't talk about yourself and assign that flaw to someone else. It's very lame.

[paz9x]

The bitch fest thread.
In my opinion the current DEM party is more closely aligned with socialists than true democrats. I think it just gets lost in the media crap. Its all a popularity contest, judged by people who eat what the media feeds them.

Here in CA there is an overwhelming Democratic presence, you travel to a higher income level area and that shifts dramatically in the opposite.

[chosen1s]

I think it depends on which part of the country you are in. Lots of young republicans around here.

But generally the trend follows Churchill who said something to this effect:
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

BTW, CTL I think the naive poor tend to vote Rep. and the Naive rich tend to vote Dem.

Edit: Had to add some more thoughts.
Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.

The way people vote isnt becoming more about being hip. Its been that way for a while. Dont buy into the trash that only Dems are being duped by it. People tend to vote for who they think is most likeable. Clinton, Bush, Arnold, Jesse V.

Wow, I have to say that this is very insightful. Very nicely put, and without placing blame on either party.

[Jrunt20x]

greendj27 thanks for agreeing with me man! Seriously what the fuck is that guy's problem. He has no right to make racist statements against not just jews but any group for that matter. I don't think the Democrats or the Republicans are bad. I think its racist idiots like that guy that are ruining this country!

[icruise]

Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.

Very well put. A lot of people seem to think that if only the other side knew "the truth" they would naturally change their minds. They think if someone disagrees with them, they must be stupid, uninformed, or basing all their decisions on emotion. I hate to break it to you, but there isn't only one "right" answer, and two people can be very well informed and very intelligent and still disagree.

[SneakyPenguin]

greendj27 thanks for agreeing with me man! Seriously what the shaq-fu is that guy's problem. He has no right to make racist statements against not just jews but any group for that matter. I don't think the Democrats or the Republicans are bad. I think its racist idiots like that guy that are ruining this country!

actually, he has every right. he is not infringing on your rights, so therefore, he still has his constitutional right to free speech.

[chosen1s]

greendj27 thanks for agreeing with me man! Seriously what the shaq-fu is that guy's problem. He has no right to make racist statements against not just jews but any group for that matter. I don't think the Democrats or the Republicans are bad. I think its racist idiots like that guy that are ruining this country!

This is one issue that does bug me and yes, in my right-leaning mentality the "left" does it much more. And by the way, this proves what was said earlier about Democrats being about emotion.

Frequently you hide behind racism when you don't like an issue. If I were to say "Hey, that black guy over there said it's cold in Alaska" I guarantee you there would be a Democrat out there who would say "What's wrong with you, you racist $@#%!" Because you're a racist, I hearby proclaim Alaska to be warm!

yeah, the Jewish comment was pointless, but that doesn't make his opinion about the media untrue. At worst it makes his opinion void, but it doesn't make it untrue. You cannot negate reality with a racist comment. I personally believe that it is people who hide behind "racism" or "sexism" or "ism" when a real issue comes up that bring harm to the country (Though I do agree that improper or hateful words warrant a response - just don't use it as an easy "out" of a debate you have a hard time supporting).

[greendj27]

And by the way, this proves what was said earlier about Democrats being about emotion.


Actually the poster you are referring to said he was neither Republican nor Democrat, so it proves absolutely nothing.

[chosen1s]

Just cause someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them uniformed. And just cause someone is 'informed' doesnt mean they will do things that you consider right.

Very well put. A lot of people seem to think that if only the other side knew "the truth" they would naturally change their minds. They think if someone disagrees with them, they must be stupid, uninformed, or basing all their decisions on emotion. I hate to break it to you, but there isn't only one "right" answer, and two people can be very well informed and very intelligent and still disagree.

Sometimes there is only one right answer. Hitler was right to try to annihilate the Jews - right or wrong?

I agree with what is spoken above about informed, etc. as well. However, being informed does raise the likelihood that a person will make better decisions. Come on, we all play video games. We all know the guy with the strategy guide who is "informed" is more likely to finish a game before someone else (Yes, somebody else might find a "better" way, but it is much less likely).

No, you shouldn't hold someone's ignorance against them, but don't downplay the value of being informed. After all, for all you Bush-haters out there, do you think the country is better or worse off for being informed about the WMD issue? Or maybe it would be better if nobody were informed on the issue...

[edtinney]

I apologize for the Jewish comment. The point I was trying to make is that Jews are generally liberal and therefore transcend their opinion through the media they control. I think it is sad, however, that our country has become so PC that when religion is referred to, even without a negative connotation, people start to get up in arms. We are going in the wrong direction. If you really want to stop racism, you need to take things a bit more lightly. Sometimes when you get too defensive, you flare tempers and become offensive. Also, I know I'm new, but I don't understand the Shaq-Fu thing. I know it was a horrible game (I own it, as every videogame player should), but I don't understand the context in which it is used.

[SneakyPenguin]

it replaces fu(k

[edtinney]

Well then Shaq-Fu the Shaq-Fuing Shaq-Fuers. Quite satisfying.

[pimp tyranny]

no, and there are just as many "uninformed" Republicans as Democrats. the biggest factor is the family. for example, i live in SC, and there are rich white kids in my Econ class, and whenever we get on any controversial subject in politics, there they are, bringing up religion, how great the GOP is, all that shit. i, on the other hand, have Dem parents, and i am a Democrat. now, that's not blind, i actually look into their policies. but the influence is strong.

[SolinariDotCom]

Sometimes there is only one right answer. Hitler was right to try to annihilate the Jews - right or wrong?


It's only wrong based on a general majority rule. It's not really wrong in any cosmic respect. You act like it's infinitely wrong (by default) based on some sort of unwritten rule book.

[Ebraum]

Cool is some one who thinks for themselves and dosen't worry about what other people think is cool.
I have my own political views, as should you. I do not associate myself with any party. But I do lean toward one more than the other currently on today's issues.

[craven_fiend]

it may not have been the best thing to say, but how is the poster who made the comment about the media being mainly jewish racist. i don't believe he said that there is anything wrong with that, if he did, then i will edit this post.

[Badgun]

In the teenage-to-mid-twenties' generation, I see more and more people who are grossly uninformed choosing the Democratic party because it's seen as cool to be a Dem and just old and stiff to be a Republican.

Is it possible that with the large amount of uninformed voters, more votes will be based upon being hip instead of having a position on issues?

This post is neither Republican nor Democrat, it's just a discussion of this odd trend.

Well I find that a lot of the younger kids today believe 3 things:

1. Abortion is cool.
2. Bush is an idiot.
3. There is no God.

It is so hip these days to rag on Bush about the war. It is also hip to laugh at people for believing in the "Man In The Sky". And whether they like gays or not, it's hip to be on the side that favors gay marriages. Personally, I find it rather amusing that these idiots will lie down in front of a truck to prevent a murderer from being executed, yet they think it's ok to kill an unborn child...oh, the irony.

I'm 44 and I am a card carrying republican and I'll admit the liberals are getting more scary every day. I absolutely have nightmares about John Kerry in the white house.

[evilmax17]

Eh, a lot of "older" people today believe that you're going to hell if you're not all three of the following:

1) Heterosexual
2) Patriotic
3) Christian

You've got your stereotypes and you've got your exceptions to the rule, that's the way it's always been, the way it is now. I think there's a direct corolation between the attitudes of young people today and those of their parents. If you were talking to me, I would say that a lot of people in our generation are forming opinions of their own, but that's just if you were talking to me. If you wanted a different view of the same point, you could say that kids are rebelling against their parents.

Any belief that I honestly subscribe to has been completely reasoned out by me, and thus "approved" by me. I must admit, i fall under all three categories that you say, but not to fit into some crowd (I find most people who are my age annoying anyway, regardless of political views). I could give you pages and pages of why I believe what I do, as I'm sure you could. I'm sure there's a lot to be said with "people following the crowd", but this could also be applied to the overly patriotic attitude that's swept the nation. People are following other people wherever you look, this isn't anything new.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

While I believe that a majority of young people are misinformed (I may be one of them), I think it is the informed one that are being active and taking to the polls. Badgun, I find your post to be perhaps the most sterotypical and uninformed looking thing on here. Don't take that to be personal as I know many people your age that feel the exact same way about young adults these days. Not all kids think abortion is totally "cool," we don't find it "hip" to hate God and not everyone thinks Bush is an idiot.

Just being on a college campus can change people's opinions maybe. There are more religious groups here than I can shake a stick at. As for the politics, oneof my best friends is president of the college democrats here. We also have college republicans and college libaterians, all the groups are very active as well. I consistantly get her viewpoints on many things, of course being a republican she is not a Bush fan, but she is completely informed. She knows about all the issues and who represents what and is very active in gathering votes for the local democratic hopefuls. I guess my point is this, it's easy to lump us youngsters into one big category, but in reality people our age are usually widely varied (and passionate) about our stances in life. And the passoinate ones are usually the most well-informed.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

Wow, the two Maxes responding at the same time on the same issue....how odd is that.

[evilmax17]

Wow, the two Maxes responding at the same time on the same issue....how odd is that.

Haha I'm gonna play the lotto!

[chosen1s]

I think most people's views of "today's youth" are shaped by what they see on TV. I mean, let's face it, I have very little interaction with anyone under the age of 18, but I know kids are into Yu Gi Oh, *were* into Pokemon (Now it's cool for the "young" ones), etc. Mucha Lucha, all that.

Much of TV is clearly slanted towards the younger demographic. I just came through it, so I should know. Here is why I understand the perception that it is "hip" to lean to the left -

Because pop-culture TV leans so heavily to the left. Yes, you can probably name one or two Touched By An Angel shows on TV, but the reality is that most TV shows would support the "rights of the mother" above the "rights of the unborn" any day of the week. Every once in a while they will throw a bone to conservatives and have somebody stand in with a differing opinion, but the left's position is NEVER discounted as wrong (while often the "right"'s position is perhaps not called wrong, but clearly portrayed as hokey or old-fashioned).

Quick - name 1 positive fater-figure on a sitcom today.

In a nation that is made of 90% of people who believe in God - name three TV figures who are shown in a positive light and express a belief in God (Touched By An Angel cast counts as 1 - that's one show).

Now, compare that to all the anti-God stereotypes. The former takes a lot longer than the latter.

I had a friend challenge me to name one positive father-figure on a sitcom today. By positive, I mean teaches his kids right and wrong and yes, acts in a conservative manner (doesn't give his kid condoms because he's the "cool" dad who would rather be a friend than a parent). I have to admit - I was hard-pressed.

[alongx]

Parties are for suckers.
With that said, I can say I personally know many, many more people considering themselves to be Republican/Conservative than to be a Democrat/Liberal.

[chosen1s]

Sometimes there is only one right answer. Hitler was right to try to annihilate the Jews - right or wrong?


It's only wrong based on a general majority rule. It's not really wrong in any cosmic respect. You act like it's infinitely wrong (by default) based on some sort of unwritten rule book.

Oh, you mean it is only wrong if you are a moral relativist and there are no absolutes - in which case (yeah, we've all heard this one before) your absolute belief that there are no absolutes holds no water.

If God is real and the Bible is His word (not if you believe in Him, if He is real), then yes, in a cosmic sense Hitler was wrong. If God is real and He says it's wrong to swallow Kool-Ade, then it's wrong. If you are created by Him then He makes the rules of what is right and what is wrong. You can reason through it all you want but as many times as you try to jump off the Earth gravity will always pull you down. Some things just are.

[alongx]

In a nation that is made of 90% of people who believe in God - name three TV figures who are shown in a positive light and express a belief in God (Touched By An Angel cast counts as 1 - that's one show).

Using your give away: Touched By An Angel
Joan of Arcadia
Six Feet Under

And also The Sopranos, although Edie Falco's character, as well as the priest, may be shown in a "negative light" or whatever by your standard.

Are you happy?

[suprsaiyanMAX]

7th heaven and some of those other hokey WB shows (there are a couple but I dont know their names).

[evilmax17]

In a nation that is made of 90% of people who believe in God - name three TV figures who are shown in a positive light and express a belief in God (Touched By An Angel cast counts as 1 - that's one show).

Using your give away: Touched By An Angel
Joan of Arcadia
Six Feet Under

And also The Sopranos, although Edie Falco's character, as well as the priest, may be shown in a "negative light" or whatever by your standard.

Are you happy?

Damn it you stole my post!

Also, you define a positive father-figure as acting conservatively? Hey buddy, I'm a liberal, but I don't define a good father as one that acts liberally. Being a good father is about loving your kid, not teaching him to grow up with certain political beliefs. Want a good example of a positive father-figure on tv? Bill Cosby. More recent? Bernie Mac. Just because he isn't forcing his kids to go to church, doesn't mean he doesn't love and teach them.

[evilmax17]

Heh, this time it happened in reverse!

[alongx]

Well I find that a lot of the younger kids today believe 3 things:

1. Abortion is cool.
2. Bush is an idiot.
3. There is no God.


Your third contention, that young kids don't believe in a God, is grossly inaccurate. If you'll look at any major college campus across the country, you'll find that there's a hefty number of active Christian and Jewish organizations with large followings. There's not a single college I know of without an active Hillel Society or Fellowship of Christian Athletes prayer group. And, from being someone who has attended various Christian group meetings, I can tell you that most people that participate in these kinds of evens believe very strongly against abortion, homosexuality, etc. Even many women I know, including my most recent girlfriend, believe that women do not have reproductive rights or the right to choose.

[optimolife]

i neverhave to worry about choosing a party, i hate both. im an anarchist, and i think its very uncool to be blindly follow any one party.

Totally agree with you, sneakypenguin. How can you already have your mind made up about an issue before you even heard it??? I don't understand how people can be on one side of the fence no matter what the issue is, sounds real dumb to me.

[alongx]

In a nation that is made of 90% of people who believe in God - name three TV figures who are shown in a positive light and express a belief in God (Touched By An Angel cast counts as 1 - that's one show).

Using your give away: Touched By An Angel
Joan of Arcadia
Six Feet Under

And also The Sopranos, although Edie Falco's character, as well as the priest, may be shown in a "negative light" or whatever by your standard.

Are you happy?

Damn it you stole my post!

Also, you define a positive father-figure as acting conservatively? Hey buddy, I'm a liberal, but I don't define a good father as one that acts liberally. Being a good father is about loving your kid, not teaching him to grow up with certain political beliefs. Want a good example of a positive father-figure on tv? Bill Cosby. More recent? Bernie Mac. Just because he isn't forcing his kids to go to church, doesn't mean he doesn't love and teach them.

To put it in more easily readable terms, I think he said:
You got served, son.
Hah!

[starman9000]

I'm 44 and I am a card carrying republican and I'll admit the liberals are getting more scary every day. I absolutely have nightmares about John Kerry in the white house.

I really like rock music and I'll admit that rap is crappy.

[Jive3D]

Dem or Repub - the differences are far too minute to quarell over. The real point as that right now the country is broken and it needs a change.

[chosen1s]

In a nation that is made of 90% of people who believe in God - name three TV figures who are shown in a positive light and express a belief in God (Touched By An Angel cast counts as 1 - that's one show).

Using your give away: Touched By An Angel
Joan of Arcadia
Six Feet Under

And also The Sopranos, although Edie Falco's character, as well as the priest, may be shown in a "negative light" or whatever by your standard.

Are you happy?

Damn it you stole my post!

Also, you define a positive father-figure as acting conservatively? Hey buddy, I'm a liberal, but I don't define a good father as one that acts liberally. Being a good father is about loving your kid, not teaching him to grow up with certain political beliefs. Want a good example of a positive father-figure on tv? Bill Cosby. More recent? Bernie Mac. Just because he isn't forcing his kids to go to church, doesn't mean he doesn't love and teach them.

To put it in more easily readable terms, I think he said:
You got served, son.
Hah!

Good job. I still contend that the "negatives" grossly outweigh the "positives". Perhaps I am incorrect but I don't think I am.

Also, yeah, Cosby didn't count. I meant on TV today - though I agree that there used to be many "positive" father role models (Full House, that Urkel show, Boy Meets World, basically any of the old TGIF shows).

Finally, Ok, then where are the "conservative" fathers that I would contend are positive for teaching their kids the evils of abstinance until marriage, avoidance of drugs, responsibility, and really, proportionally to our society are there really THAT few Christian fathers?

[evilmax17]

Finally, Ok, then where are the "conservative" fathers that I would contend are positive for teaching their kids the evils of abstinance until marriage, avoidance of drugs, responsibility, and really, proportionally to our society are there really THAT few Christian fathers?

Haha, yeah, i think that abstinance is evil also :wink:

[greendj27]

Finally, Ok, then where are the "conservative" fathers that I would contend are positive for teaching their kids the evils of abstinance until marriage, avoidance of drugs, responsibility, and really, proportionally to our society are there really THAT few Christian fathers?

How about the dad on Seventh Heaven on the WB. I think that you are jsut watching the wrong shows. Hmm...maybe you should stop watchin all of that Skinemax. \:D/

[edtinney]

I'll take this as apology accepted?

[greendj27]

I'll take this as apology accepted?

No, I just chose to ignore your post because I don't think you get it. Jews are not running the media. It is a very dumb thing to say. The fact that you believe that is unbelievable. I was just did not want to have to repeat myself since you obviously missed the point. By the way, I am not Jewish I am Catholic.

[chosen1s]

Yeah, edtinney,

What country do you live in? It is not Ok to hate someone because of their religeon, sexual preference, or race anymore. And more importantly, if you are really forward-thinking it is important to make sure that you do hate someone else once you have judged them to be a racist or racially/politically insensitive. Then, you tear them to shreds and under no circumstances forgive them.

What were you thinking, expecting to be forgiven for a comment that you made which unintentionally offended somebody else (who wasn't even a part of the "offended" group)? For shame. You have been branded. Now go sit at the back of the bus and keep your mouth shut.

[greendj27]

Yeah, edtinney,

What country do you live in? It is not Ok to hate someone because of their religeon, sexual preference, or race anymore. And more importantly, if you are really forward-thinking it is important to make sure that you do hate someone else once you have judged them to be a racist or racially/politically insensitive. Then, you tear them to shreds and under no circumstances forgive them.

What were you thinking, expecting to be forgiven for a comment that you made which unintentionally offended somebody else (who wasn't even a part of the "offended" group)? For shame. You have been branded. Now go sit at the back of the bus and keep your mouth shut.

Wow, apparently you can't read very well. I never said that I hated anyone. I also never tore anyone to shreds. Not to mention that I was never offended. I was just pointing out that a comment like "the Jews run all the media" is just plain stupid. The whole reason I brought it up is that he was making some logical arguments in his original post, but then he added the part about Jews controlling media. It tainted what otherwise might have been a decently thought out post.

[Jrunt20x]

^ Nah he's not talking to you he's talking about the guy who made the comment. Your cool man you must have misread his post.

[greendj27]

Actually I think he is being sarcastic. If he isn't I apologize, but I guess we'll see.

[David85]

Both parties suck and Bush wins we are going to be screwed for years and years, if Kerry wins we are all going to die. This is why I'm moving to Canada. :)

[chosen1s]

Yeah,

I got on my soapbox a little there. I do think that one side-effect of racial/ethnic sensitivity is that a lot of people have given themselves permission to simply shift the hatred from one group of people to another. Being of a certain "minority" used to be many people's only reason for hating someone. Now I find that a lot of people will accept "appearing to be politically incorrect" as an excuse to hate someone.

I think I read a little more into your response than what you meant, as I interpreted it to be saying that you would never forgive the guy for making a blunder. After all, he never said anything negative about his belief that Jews control the media - being misinformed isn't morally wrong.

Incidentally, since the assertion has been made, do either of you have any specific facts to support your "side"? - Not saying any particular group "runs the media", but since I have heard that argument before is there a preponderance of one group over another who is involved in media? What leads people to believe this?

Thanks, and sorry again for getting up on my soapbox (Yes, it was sarcasm).

[edtinney]

Thank you chosen1s. I'm glad to see someone understands. As far as backing u my side. I really have no concrete proof, only a conception that seems to have been in place for a long time. I am not familiar personally with those behind the media, but I have seen a lot of Comedy Central, NBC (Seinfeld, friends, etc.), and movies such as Schindler's List and Star Wars (yes, Star Wars, you'll notice many resemblances to Nazis and Jewish Mythology in there) I may have been a little tactless, but I just wanted to interject a widely-held conception to strengthen my point. There is no reason anyone should be offended.

[Jrunt20x]

edtinney quit while your ahead that last post is so fucking racist that if I had the time I would curse the shit out of you. Luckily for you I don't have the time to run around and destroy you but if you don't stop you gonna be in deep shit.

[Jrunt20x]

BTW, greendj27 thanks a bunch for helping me with this edtinney guy. You are now one of my permant buddies on this site so if you ever need anything please feel free and ask me.

[chosen1s]

Wow,

I revert back to what I said about people who feel that it's Ok to hate someone as long as they have sufficiently convinced themselves that the person is a racist.

[Quackzilla]

Is edtinney an anti-semite?

[Jrunt20x]

Read his posts. I don't think he is some hardcore KKK memeber but he certainly has anti-semitic traits.

[JohnHam]

I've created a monster!

Wow, this whole forum is charged politcally and morally. I like how when it gets down to it, the forum unites against really bad guys.

=D>

[edtinney]

Hahaha. Wow. I guess I should be afraid of this Jrunt 20x character. Apparently using a non-offensive reference warrants total destruction. Well, I guess I'll stop, evidently I "gonna be in deep shit" if I don't. Also, I don't have any "buddies" for my videogame site to back me up. It looks like I'm in a hole I just can't dig out of, gosh-golly. I guess I'm going to put on my Jew-kicker boots on and shave my head since I'm obviously such a racist. It's been fun, and relax, life is too short to get all worked up over what some kid said on a chat board on a videogame internet site (whose message really has nothing to do with videogames). So I will now refer back to what the site was made for, finding good deals. Oh, and by the way, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. It's a miracle.

[Lil Stinky]

Very cool to be a democrat! Just look at the republicans to see why its cool to be DEM! :D