[Debunked]Revolution controller patent [not] leaked!?

[evilmax17]

Edit: Debunked (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/24/news_6128178.html)

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http://www1.msn.gamesradar.com/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36392&subsectionid=1587

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[24/06/05 18:27]
Patent office registration blows the lid off top-secret control device

The controller for Nintendo's upcoming Revolution console will feature gyroscopic, tilt-sensitive technology, an LCD touch screen, and a greatly reduced number of face buttons, according to documentation on the US patent website.

The patent document - which calls the Revolution "the game device" and refers to the controller as a "housing held by a player" and "the handheld game device" - intricately describes key aspects of the controller's functionality.

The patent primarily focuses on the controller's gyroscopic ability, describing the function as, "a tilt sensor provided on the housing, a viewpoint coordinates determination mechanism for determining viewpoint coordinates in accordance with an output value of the tilt sensor."

Which is a needlessly complicated way of saying that tilting the controller affects on-screen action.

"The game system allows the player to feel as if the three-dimensional game space is tilted in accordance with a tilt of a game device, etc., with a minimal processing burden," the document clarifies.

Hidden beneath a wealth of nonsensical technical speak lay further details of interest, which describe the layout of the controller's face buttons and confirm the existence of an LCD screen on the device.

"The handheld game device includes a rectangular housing. The housing has the liquid crystal display," the document confirms.

The text then describes the number of buttons on the controller face revealing their position:

"A direction instruction switch [d-pad], a start switch, and a select switch are placed on the left side of the LCD, movement instruction switches (A button) and (B button) are placed on the right side of the LCD, and, if necessary, other movement instruction switches R and L are placed on the right and left ends of the upper side of the housing, respectively."

This confirms Nintendo's new controller features just a d-pad, with two face buttons, two shoulder buttons and start and select buttons. It would appear the tilting mechanism acts as a substitute for an analogue stick, removing the need for it altogether.

"The handheld game device includes a control circuit (for example, a CPU chip) having a CPU core," the document continues. "An LCD controller, a work RAM, a video RAM, and an interface circuit are connected to the CPU core via a bus (an address bus and a data bus."

"LCD controller" seemingly confirming the screen will indeed be a touch screen while the rest of the text indicates the controller has enough processing power of its own to run graphical routines and mini games on the LCD screen.

The controller will also accommodate a cartridge slot according to the document, "The handheld game device has a cartridge insertion slot formed in the upper side thereof for removably inserting the game cartridge."

This most likely a memory card device according to the patent document, which says, "A desired cartridge is connected to the connector as a preparation for starting a game. As a result, the player (user) is allowed to play his/her desired game by changing the cartridge." Which sort of describes the ability for different players to boot up their own save games from their own memory cartridges.

So there we have it. A controller with a reduced number of face buttons and a touch screen that allows gamers to look around, move, and affect their level of acceleration, by tilting the controller.

Now all we need are pictures. Which shouldn't be too long – the intricate descriptions in the patent document should be enough to ensure bedroom designers come up with a multitude of fakes sooner rather than later.

[javeryh]

If this is true then I'm fu<king done with Nintendo consoles.

[Quackzilla]

If this is true then I'm fu<king done with Nintendo consoles.
Me too, please let this be made up.

[evilmax17]

If this is true then I'm fu<king done with Nintendo consoles.
People were outraged at the DS's patent, and that turned out a lot better than people thought it would.

/Just sayin'

[bradr]

How much will these controllers cost? With all the punishment a console controller takes, controllers are often considered disposable.

[thingsfallnapart]

the gyro thing would be a cool idea for first person shooters, but for anything else- I can't imagine it working. No one is gonna make a fps on this new nintendo system with only 2 face buttons.

[Noodle Pirate!]

I guess now when everyone plays racing games and leans to the side when they are turning, they will have a legitimate reason.

[greydemise]

yikes..that sounds..well..needlessly complicated :P

[Jerichoedge]

If true, color me disappointed. That doesn't sound too revolutionary, and the thought of playing a next-generation Metroid game without a traditional analog stick is not something I look forward to. I'd much rather use a stick than tilt the controller.

[ryanbph]

interesting. Sounds complicated, but hasn't Nintendo stated they wanted to get everyone involved in gaming.

[chickenhawk]

If this is true then I'm fu<king done with Nintendo consoles.

I hate to be negative, but I am with you! I am getting older and less skilled at video games and this just complicates things for me. How am I supposed to jump around yelling at the screen trying to beat that final boss if my every move is gonna move me somewhere else or give me a different camera angle? :?

[cthcky33]

"later they revealed that the new controller is in fact, the NINTENDO DS... with a cord"

[Mattte]

The controller for Nintendo's upcoming Revolution console will feature gyroscopic, tilt-sensitive technology, an LCD touch screen, and a greatly reduced number of face buttons, according to documentation on the US patent website.


.....:roll:


I'm not going to believe anything until Nintendo reveals it themselves.

[MadChedar0]

Interesting. I going to give Nintendo the benefit and hope they are on to something.

[javeryh]

Jesus this pisses me off - I'm about as big of a Nintendo supporter as possible. I've owned all of their consoles and multiple variations of the Game Boy. The GCN is my favorite console this generation but they are becoming like that weird cat lady shut-in who lives in your neighborhood who lives in her own little world and is too mentally incompetant to realize that the world outside is passing her by...

[punqsux]

wow, no one has screamed "virtual boy 2" yet...i thought that was the standard when nintendo announced something different and scares the general population by thinking about moving forwards instead of backwards.

viva nintendo!

[TheUnsane1]

I fear for nintendo's life in the console world.

[cthcky33]

Jesus this pisses me off - I'm about as big of a Nintendo supporter as possible. I've owned all of their consoles and multiple variations of the Game Boy. The GCN is my favorite console this generation but they are becoming like that weird cat lady shut-in who lives in your neighborhood who lives in her own little world and is too mentally incompetant to realize that the world outside is passing her by...

yes, or the company is run by penguins...

[punqsux]

Jesus this pisses me off - I'm about as big of a Nintendo supporter as possible. I've owned all of their consoles and multiple variations of the Game Boy. The GCN is my favorite console this generation but they are becoming like that weird cat lady shut-in who lives in your neighborhood who lives in her own little world and is too mentally incompetant to realize that the world outside is passing her by...
or perhaps the 70's are over and sony and microsoft still have afros and bellbottoms

its all perspective.

[drumbandit]

Umm... Iwata explicitly said there would be no touch screen on the Revolution controller. Which leads me to believe this is not it.


If anything, this sounds more like the next GB.

[Apossum]

is it just me or do people always hate ideas when they first hear about them?

I think this sounds like it has potential to be a lot of FUN. and from what it sounds like, the controller might double as a portable (old school on the go, anyone?)

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm reasonably sure they've stated officially, many times that would not have a touch screen on the thing.

If I were Nintendo, I would file fake patents, you know. To throw people off the trail.

Edit: it also seems a bit redundant. A GBA gyro cart and some additional software would make the DS double for this, with more buttons.

Edit2: Didnt they say a long time ago that they were ditching both the D-pad AND A+B Buttons?

[jkam]

Gyroscopic controllers....I just keep thinking how will they make this fun? It seems sort of like a ghetto attempt at Virtual Reality. I would like to try it out and play it though before I make any assumptions on if it sucks or not.

I'm hoping they go the route of the DS....have the new different touch screen games but also make some regular games to keep us happy.

No analog stick seems dumb to me.

The one thing that everyone forgets is once we get the graphics and AI as realistic as us what's next? At least Nintendo shoots for something new and exciting.

[willardhaven]

Sounds like a new Gameboy since portable games tend to use the tilting systems.

I just want a videogame system.

[Tromack]

I call bullshit on this.

[javeryh]

wow, no one has screamed "virtual boy 2" yet...i thought that was the standard when nintendo announced something different and scares the general population by thinking about moving forwards instead of backwards.

viva nintendo!

VIRTUAL BOY 2!!!! :D The reason I don't think this will be any good at all is because I like to lounge when I play - a tilt controller does not allow for that.

[Scorch]

..or they could've registered a fake patent to throw everyone off.

[Mospeada_21]

Revolution = Kirby Tilt'N'Tumble? LOL!

My God, the DS is the Revolution's controller? So now, we're like GBA/SP with the GC; again? eck.

[Ugamer_X]

Sooo, was the link to the patent posted or not?

[magilacudy]

Back in the day I remember people who tilted their controller while playing NES were endlessly ridiculed. Now Nintendo is trying to make that the new standard of gameplay. I don't know if you can call that moving forward... maybe sideways, tripping over your own feet. :/

[tomwaits1]

I don't think the OP is accurate in assuming that it's describing a touch screen. An LCD is just a display, and the LCD controller is mentioned in context with memory and interface circuitry, so it's probably just embedded hardware to control the LCD output.

IF this is legit, there will probably be a 3rd party controller that allows the gyro control via a standard analog stick for people who don't want the new control. Wouldn't be difficult.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Wouldnt all of this stuff, that is to say, packing enough into your controller to make it a portable system...drain the daylights out of batteries? I mean...it is wireless after all.

[Ikohn4ever]

how about everybody chill and wait until an actual image is shown, until then let all the rumors spread nonstop

[madmage]

it sounds kind of like a PSP design, with a d-pad in the place of the stick and the screen is lcd.

[tinskat]

I don't think the OP is accurate in assuming that it's describing a touch screen. An LCD is just a display, and the LCD controller is mentioned in context with memory and interface circuitry, so it's probably just embedded hardware to control the LCD output.

IF this is legit, there will probably be a 3rd party controller that allows the gyro control via a standard analog stick for people who don't want the new control. Wouldn't be difficult.

I agree. Whoever wrote the article seems to assume that it is a touch sensitive LCD screen, but everything he quotes from the patent itself only says "LCD screen" or "LCD controller".

[Moxio]

Wow, sounds so bizarre.

[Dr Mario Kart]

This patent was filed for in 2003 and since we have a quote from way after that stating that they have no intention of including a screen on the controller, I call bullshit on this.

Nintendo patents things all the time. So does any company with a decent size R&D department. Doesn't mean everything will be used.

Also. Gamesradar is hosted by MSN!

[Strell]

...

*thinks for a bit*

Um. Filed in 2003...touch screen...not many face buttons.

Maybe this is the DS? It leaves out the gyroscopes, but still, that is something the carts themselves can employ.

/confused

[evilmax17]

This patent was filed for in 2003 and since we have a quote from way after that stating that they have no intention of including a screen on the controller, I call bullshit on this.
Filed on June 21, 2005 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=nintendo&OS=nintendo&RS=nintendo)

[Ugamer_X]

Filed on June 21, 2005 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=nintendo&OS=nintendo&RS=nintendo)
Filed May 19, 2003.

June 21 is for something else.

[evilmax17]

To the Nay-sayers:

Assuming this patent is true, it's a great idea. I was thinking of things that would utilize the controller on the ride home, and I came up with a few neat plausible ideas.

-Imagine playing a game like Rogue Squadron with the gyro-controller. Not sitting still and barely tilting it, but flying your controller around (like you would tend to do anyway playing that game).

-A game like Steel Batalion. Use the Dpad to move and the controller to look around within your cockpit. This way you can look wherever you want without changing directions. With the touchscreen, you can have an elaborate dashboard with all sorts of switches, buttons, and levers.

-FPSs. This would be great for aiming. I see multiple control setups including looking/aiming with the gyro, or looking/aiming with the touchscreen (like the DS). We could be seeing a whole new level of accuracy and user-immersion.

-Think of sword fighting from a first person perspective, but controlling the sword with the gyro-controls. The controller would act as the hilt of the sword, and the virtual sword being displayed on screen. It could be like you were having a real sword (light sabre) fight. It could rumble each time the swords clash, and the screen could flash bright white (like a spark) at the same time.

-Racing games. Steering wheel.

Really though, don't be so quick to dismiss ideas. There are things out there that you haven't even thought of.

[PsyKyX]

If you read the link you would know it is an old patent from 2003 and the houseing and button positioning is the GBA... this is a patent for a tilt sensor game.

[tinskat]

The button set up does sound like the GBA. How would you play SNES and N64 games with this button set-up??

[drone8888]

Well, if it's not the DS's patent, then it's another portable game system.

You don't put CPUs in controllers.
It could be the Micro's first patent.

What would be awesome, is, if the Micro was attached to the next controller, and could be used as an LCD HUD.

If gyroscopic is the next wave of controllers, and there are only 4 physical buttons, then I may be hesitant to preorder my Revolution,. no matter how big of a fanboy I am.

WoW is consuming me anyways.
:)

[Ugamer_X]

:wall:

Amazing, it's as if gamesradar didn't even bother to look at the images assigned with that patent.

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.DImg?Docid=US006908388&PageNum=2&IDKey=894C31098108&ImgFormat=tif

[javeryh]

:wall:

Amazing, it's as if gamesradar didn't even bother to look at the images assigned with that patent.

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.DImg?Docid=US006908388&PageNum=2&IDKey=894C31098108&ImgFormat=tif

hmmm.... I know I've seen that picture somewhere before....

[Mookyjooky]

If this happens, then nintendo's back in my good graces.

You only really need 4 buttons... and I've been saying they need a gyroscope for years.

Heres to them!

:beer::applause::applause::applause::applause::app lause::applause:

[Baseball2g]

I'm not really sold on the touchscreen. Over time they don't work as well because of the wear and tear.

[FriskyTanuki]

:lol: Damn did Gamesradar ever mess up big time. They found a patent for a tilt sensor GBA game which mentioned nothing of a touchscreen. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the genius who broke this story.

[red flare graf]

I guess now when everyone plays racing games and leans to the side when they are turning, they will have a legitimate reason.

You know, that's exactly what I was thinking. Racing games sound about like the only thing it'd be good for.

[Broccoli Storm]

I seriously think this is NOT the patent for the controller. New Gameboy/peripheral perhaps, but not the controller. With only two face buttons how could you play some of the N64/GCN classics?

[BIG5]

I think we all know what Revolution's controller will be: an updated power glove.

[Mouse]

Anyone seen this?
http://www.revogaming.net/

Rumour : Nintendo Revolution Controller? UPDATE
Posted by TCM on 2005/6/17 11:51:34 (9779 reads)

Amidst the hordes of Nintendo Revolution controller mockups around the internet, a new, interesting one has emerged; revealed to RevoGaming by an anonymous source. Details and image inside. UPDATE

The image shows a controller similar in style to the Revolution console, which is not common in current Revolution mockups. The input method is not certain: it seems that it may be using a haptic tactile screen in addition to a blue button (possibly a trigger) on the left.

The image, with a description in Russian, can be found below:
http://revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revocontroller/controller1.jpg

UPDATE:

A source exclusive to RevoGaming has revealed the following translation of the Russian text:

It has no buttons at all. The controller and gamer both interact with each other through movement; not only is the game controlled by the movement of the player but the whole controller gives some sort of feedback. Built-in sensors can tell the difference between the controller and the console, as well as determining the controller’s position. An example of the control would be that turning the controller around and moving it in a direction would be one form of controlling.

This means that the controller would react to all forms of input such as movement, pressure, possibly even heat. Some people have commented that the controller fits in with what blog-poster Aries said prior to this year’s E3.

RevoGaming has also acquired a new image of the controller, this time much clearer and less obscured:
http://revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revocontroller/controller2.jpg

Then there was this:

Rumour : Nintendo Revolution Logo, New Model & Advertising Media
Posted by TCM on 2005/6/20 18:55:35 (1498 reads)

An anonymous source has revealed what are supposedly prototype images for the slimmer build of the Revolution, a logo design and some potential advertising media. Details inside.

Originally appearing on gaming website Cubed3, the images showcase what are claimed to be images of the redesigned Revolution console, some potential advertising media, a rather harsh message towards Microsoft and Sony and the supposed Revolution logo.

Slimmer Revolution console
http://www.revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revoconsole/1.jpg

Potential Revolution advertising media
http://www.revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revoconsole/2.jpg

A message for 'the competition'
http://www.revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revoconsole/3.jpg

More slimmer Revolution shots
http://www.revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revoconsole/4.jpg

Supposed Revolution logo
http://www.revogaming.net/html/newsimages/revoconsole/5.jpg

The source who revealed the above claims that Nintendo are very seriously considering 'Revo' being the final name for the console, although there might be conflicts with other companies currently using the term.

The redesigned console is emblazoned with the supposed logo on the side. The logo seen is the same as one displayed in some Revolution 'leaks' prior to E3, which many wrote off as fake. These remain unconfirmed and therefore should be classified as rumour.

RevoGaming will keep you updated.

They've got some other stuff too, like more ads. I'm not sure on it's validity, but it's interesting either way.

[daschrier]

Am I the only one who thinks that would be awesome??? Guess so.....