Killer 7... Review stinked! You still gettin it?

[Spoon_si]

I just got my issue of OPM... and the game got a 2 1/2 outta 5...

Basically... they said: good concept... but it was just done, out rite horrible...

this review was on the PS2 version but shouldn't differ much from the Cube...

I was expecting a 3 1/2 or 4 outta 5...

These are 1 of the few games I was looking forward to for the Cube...

I guess I might buy after a price drop.. if us CAG say it's good...

[My Name Is BoB]

Nintendo Power reviewed it a couple months back and I think it got a pretty good score.

[smellhasreturned]

Nintendo Power reviewed it a couple months back and I think it got a pretty good score.

nintendo power gives mostly any game a high score

[Scorch]

1.5 out of 5 from Gamepro, but that doesn't carry much weight..

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57216

though wtf, 8.5 from Nintendo Power, 9 out of 10 from Play, 7.5 out of 10 from Game Informer.. okay, something is seriously, seriously wrong here.. we have two different opposite ends of the spectrum here, someone's lying..

[Quackzilla]

NP, Play, and GI are the WORST review magazines EVER.

[Spoon_si]

1.5 out of 5 from Gamepro, but that doesn't carry much weight..

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57216

though wtf, 8.5 from Nintendo Power, 9 out of 10 from Play, 7.5 out of 10 from Game Informer.. okay, something is seriously, seriously wrong here.. we have two different opposite ends of the spectrum here, someone's lying..

True.. I'm still holding out on ign & gamespot...

should be out next week... I'll rent this 1st.. then I'll decide If I should pick up my preorder or just cancel it... but a rental now for sure...

[basketkase543]

nintendo power gives mostly any game a high score

Nintendo Power is such a joke. Even when they give a game a low score they don't bother to explain why. I've seen games get 0-2 stars per reviewer and yet the accompanying paragraph only talks about the games' features.

[rabidmonkeys]

Rent it, play it, quit basing your purchases on someone elses opinion and form your own.

[mykevermin]

Although I wanted to pick this up early, I'll probably wait now, although I would have anyway due to a backlog of titles.

What are the major complaints about the game? Controls? Story? Graphics? Length?

[My Name Is BoB]

Rent it, play it, quit basing your purchases on someone elses opinion and form your own.

Isn't that what reviews are for?

[Spoon_si]

What are the major complaints about the game? Controls? Story? Graphics? Length?


For OPM... they were bitching about the controls....

and this game has mixed 1st person shooter type game... so we all know..
bad control & 1st person shooter don't hang so well...

[BIG5]

All the reviews are bad. Really bad.

[b0bx13]

Its a love or hate game all the way. Right now though, I'm loving it.

[mykevermin]

Interesting that if something appears to be an FPS, but is a rail shooter, it's panned.

If it has the name "Panzer Dragoon" next to it, OTOH...

Perhaps the game isn't very good. I'll wait for other CAGs to express their views. Thanks for posting the review.

[snotnose_colossal]

totally off topic but, nice icon BoB

[Dr Mario Kart]

All the reviews are bad. Really bad.

Famitsu - 36/40

[My Name Is BoB]

totally off topic but, nice icon BoB

Yeah, I was gonna use that one, but you already had it. It's a great series with little recognition.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

All the reviews are bad. Really bad.

It depends who you listen to. While neither IGN nor Eurogamer (2 of the review sites I listen to most) have not formally reviewed it, they both wrote gushing praises of it in their hands-on previews. So unless it gets much worse after the demo I'm still expecting good things from it.

It seems that those who don't like it were expecting a FPS, which this is deffinitely not.

[vherub]

My expectations were/are along the lines of PN03: the game has a personality style all its own, at the very least it is worth checking out. Maybe it will never be darling of the critic's circle, so to each his own.
And since there seems to be only 1 cube title every other month...

[Apossum]

yeah, the reviews are all over the place on this one. EGM, GP, OPM hate it....then more "mature" mags like Famitsu and Play gave it great reviews and then GI and PSM gave it a 7.5.

Having played it for a few hours already, I like it a lot and am getting it when it comes out for the Cube.

but RENT IT FIRST-- even the good reviews don't seem to describe the game properly.

For one thing-- it's not really a "rail shooter" or an FPS-- You run down halls and can turn back and forth on a rail, but the shooting is more like a shooting gallery-- accuracy and speed are rewarded. the characters can power up and learn special techniques.

It's also not impossible to understand...it just takes more thought and imagination to put it all together than your average game.

[GreenMonkey]

EGM, GP, OPM hate it....then more "mature" mags like Famitsu and Play gave it great reviews and then GI and PSM gave it a 7.5.


I wouldn't say EGM hated it...5.5, 5, 6 is pretty decent. Remember these are the guys that gave that one truly suck-ass Mortal Kombat game for GBA like a 0.0, 0.5, and a 2. They will tear a game apart if it truly sucks. 5-6 range is just under buyable. From the scores this looks like a rental.

[Scahom1]

For EGM, a 5 is an average score...which means usually a 7.0 for other magazines.

As for Play giving it a 9.0, considering how they throw around high scores like they were going out of style (and they LOVE any game with an artsy fartsy look to it), I'll take it with a grain of salt.

I will play before I buy.

[encendido5]

I for one wasn't really looking forward to this game. Now obviously I would pick it up if it was on sale for say $5 or something, but that's about it. Is this the last of the Capcom exclusive games on the Cube?

[sisco1986]

I'll get it, and keep the reciept. If it sucks ass, back to the store it goes and something else I will get.

[cthcky33]

the way the gameplay is set up looks like no fun

[RelentlessRolento]

I'll get it, and keep the reciept. If it sucks ass, back to the store it goes and something else I will get.

i say this is the best way to go for all you peeps that are unsure about this game. I say (even though I have yet to play this) this game is more about experience than gameplay. The Metal Gear Series is superb and memorable because the experience was so interesting. Same goes for this game. Highly reccomended for people who are delving more into the underground worl of gaming.

[Roufuss]

It depends who you listen to. While neither IGN nor Eurogamer (2 of the review sites I listen to most) have not formally reviewed it, they both wrote gushing praises of it in their hands-on previews. So unless it gets much worse after the demo I'm still expecting good things from it.

It seems that those who don't like it were expecting a FPS, which this is deffinitely not.

IGN will gush over something in previews, and then slam it in their review.

They gushed and had big big big previews over Midnight Club 3 for PSP, and just slammed it in their review.

[Celes]

I wouldn't say EGM hated it...5.5, 5, 6 is pretty decent. Remember these are the guys that gave that one truly suck-ass Mortal Kombat game for GBA like a 0.0, 0.5, and a 2. They will tear a game apart if it truly sucks. 5-6 range is just under buyable. From the scores this looks like a rental.


They were rating the PS2 version. Their negative feedback was the long loading time. I guess they didn't play the Gamecube version. Also they said the gameplay was repetative. They say that about Dynasty Warriors and I still love that game.

[David85]

The "Capcom 5" were all shit besides RE4, so why is this a shock?

[chickenhawk]

The "Capcom 5" were all shit besides RE4, so why is this a shock?

Wasn't Viewtiful Joe part of the Capcom 5?

[Tromack]

Stank. The reviews stank.

[whiteboy]

The IGN reviews have been up for at least a week now. GC got an 8.1, PS2 got 7.9. I have the game and it reminds me of the older REs with better graphics and story. Lots of puzzles and backtracking but also lots of combat. The game was definitely built for a GC controller and i would imagine that the graphics are much more jaggy on the PS2, i wont even contemplate what the PS2 load times are. I like it but i can see why others would hate it (especially if you thought you were buying a FPS).

EDIT: Gamespot gave it a 8.3 on GC and 8.0 on PS2. The GC average from Gamerankings.com is 74%, PS2's rank is 61%.

[whoknows]

I want to get the PS2 version but it doesnt seem to be that bad on the PS2, but if it is I'm not getting the game at all. My GC is dying and I usually have my PS2 with me a lot more often.

[pinkkirby]

Well...As someone that played both version, If you have both systsem definitely go by GC.

PS2 - significant slower loading time
missing some cut scene (changing personality)
PS2 does have better instruction mannual (art perspective), so two thumbs up for ps2

(all these based on import jap version, assuming US version are the same)


As for the game, i was totally disappointed the first time I play. First thing came into my mind was, "WTF is this shiet?" I played for about 2 hours, turned off, went back to Guild Wars. But this game magically lured me back every few hours..... it's a weird feelng.

By the time I reached chapter III or something I start to realize the fun part of the game. I have not yet tried US version but the story was surely confusing as heck since I can't read JAP at all.

Anyways, if you are a capcom fan or someone who has been waited for this title for a long time - you need to give it a little time. At least beat the first two chapter and your view on this game might change. There is something funny yet crazy about this game which keeps me going back for more.

[Apossum]

^^^the story is still confusing, but it makes the game about 100x better.

[coolz481]

I don't know...I played up through chapter 4, got bored with it and traded it in yesterday. I did the trade-in 3 for $30 at EB twice using cheap games and so it basically ended up costing me the same as a rental. Having just played Kirby and Meteos for DS, it was really hard to sit through Killer7. I figure I'll read through how it ends online someday. Every review says you'll either love it or hate it, I guess I'm the only one who falls into the 'meh' middle somewhere.

[whoknows]

Well...As someone that played both version, If you have both systsem definitely go by GC.

PS2 - significant slower loading time
missing some cut scene (changing personality)
PS2 does have better instruction mannual (art perspective), so two thumbs up for ps2

(all these based on import jap version, assuming US version are the same)


As for the game, i was totally disappointed the first time I play. First thing came into my mind was, "WTF is this shiet?" I played for about 2 hours, turned off, went back to Guild Wars. But this game magically lured me back every few hours..... it's a weird feelng.

By the time I reached chapter III or something I start to realize the fun part of the game. I have not yet tried US version but the story was surely confusing as heck since I can't read JAP at all.

Anyways, if you are a capcom fan or someone who has been waited for this title for a long time - you need to give it a little time. At least beat the first two chapter and your view on this game might change. There is something funny yet crazy about this game which keeps me going back for more.

I'm pretty sure that the Japanese PS2 version was censored.
Apparently the U.S. version wasnt though so the GC and PS2 versions are exactly the same besides load times and small graphical differences.

I have no proof of this but I read it somewhere on the internet so go look for it if you dont believe me.

[kill3r7]

Rent it first and then make up your mind. This game is so difficult to describe and it just unique that it's hard to figure out who's going to like it. Right now there is no other game in the market that delivers the same gaming experience.

If nothing else this game is definitely worth a rental. That's what I did and I loved it so I ended up buying it.

[whoknows]

Rent it first and then make up your mind. This game is so difficult to describe and it just unique that it's hard to figure out who's going to like it. Right now there is no other game in the market that delivers the same gaming experience.

If nothing else this game is definitely worth a rental. That's what I did and I loved it so I ended up buying it.

Problem for me is nowhere has it to rent so I either have to ignore it and forget about getting it for a long while or buy it and risk not liking it (It looks very interesting though and Its probably something I would like i think).

[sisco1986]

Problem for me is nowhere has it to rent so I either have to ignore it and forget about getting it for a long while or buy it and risk not liking it (It looks very interesting though and Its probably something I would like i think).


So buy it from eb, play it, don't like it return it and get your money back, or at the worst store credit towards something.

[whoknows]

So buy it from eb, play it, don't like it return it and get your money back, or at the worst store credit towards something.

No EB near me and Gamestop no longer takes back games that have been opened.

[sisco1986]

No EB near me and Gamestop no longer takes back games that have been opened.

No eb
GS doesn't accepts back opened games (that's new to me)
No rental places

That's sucks.


Hmm, my last suggestion would be to try out GameFLY for 14 days (since it's free for 14 days), it takes 3-4 days to get a game, which leaves you with about 5 - 6 days to try it out. keep it if you like it, it will be 39.99, they will send you the case/manual then just cancel the account.

[whoknows]

No eb
GS doesn't accepts back opened games (that's new to me)
No rental places

That's sucks.


Hmm, my last suggestion would be to try out GameFLY for 14 days (since it's free for 14 days), it takes 3-4 days to get a game, which leaves you with about 5 - 6 days to try it out. keep it if you like it, it will be 39.99, they will send you the case/manual then just cancel the account.

The problem with that is I would have to get one of my parents to let me use their credit card (which wouldnt be easy). So unless they somehow do let me use it I have to A.) Wait for awhile (I dont like waiting :sad: or B.) Go buy it and hope for the best.

[Apossum]

check ebay, they are going for pretty cheap!

[whoknows]

check ebay, they are going for pretty cheap!

Pretty good, but after shipping not that impressive.

I might just pass on this game now. I think I have hyped it so much to myself that I am starting not to care about it anymore :-P .

[Apossum]

yeah, give it a minute, it'll drop in no time.

[whoknows]

yeah, give it a minute, it'll drop in no time.

I hope so. I know it will if I buy it (see RE:Outbreak 2), but I'll TRY to wait a month or two and see what happens. Then again...I hope I still have money left by the time that happens :lol:

[pinkkirby]

I'm pretty sure that the Japanese PS2 version was censored.
Apparently the U.S. version wasnt though so the GC and PS2 versions are exactly the same besides load times and small graphical differences.

I have no proof of this but I read it somewhere on the internet so go look for it if you dont believe me.

Are you sure it's censored...? I am playing the jap version and I can't image what's an uncensored version.

Maybe the amount of blood is tripled... or con/kevin say the F word 10 times as more? LOL

[Snake2715]

No blockbusters carry it over here... Where is it being rented from?

Hollywood didnt have it either...

[Apossum]

Are you sure it's censored...? I am playing the jap version and I can't image what's an uncensored version.

Maybe the amount of blood is tripled... or con/kevin say the F word 10 times as more? LOL


the scene where Samantha is riding Harmon is censored somehow.

[Apossum]

I hope so. I know it will if I buy it (see RE:Outbreak 2), but I'll TRY to wait a month or two and see what happens. Then again...I hope I still have money left by the time that happens :lol:


or you could just mug an old person and buy it today :roll: ;-)

[whoknows]

or you could just mug an old person and buy it today :roll: ;-)

But that would require some effort. First I would have to find the old person, then I would have to mug them, then I would have to go buy the game.

Too much time :lol:

[Apossum]

But that would require some effort. First I would have to find the old person, then I would have to mug them, then I would have to go buy the game.

Too much time :lol:


Man! if you REALLY wanted the game, you'd mug an old person....and take pics of the mugging...and post them here for our enjoyment ;-)

[whoknows]

Man! if you REALLY wanted the game, you'd mug an old person....and take pics of the mugging...and post them here for our enjoyment ;-)

Yes, but that would only be evidence against me and increase my jail time.


Besides, I'm expecting to be getting it tomorrow or Sunday....Against My will ;)

[whoknows]

I bought it...for GC. And wouldnt you know it, after having it for only a day something unexpected happened and now I will have very very limited access to my GC.

Damn....

[RedvsBlue]

So basically another "innovative" cel-shaded FPS is poorly recieved?

[whoknows]

So basically another "innovative" cel-shaded FPS is poorly recieved?

Its not as bad as people say. Its pretty good..not $50 good but still good.

[kill3r7]

The gameplay is ok at best but the story is great...confusing but great. This is the type of game you play the first time through and you go what just happened. So you try to piece the story together and you start playing again just to figure out all the details you might have missed.

Think of it in the same breath as movies such as The Usual Suspects, Momento but with more of a Mullholand Drive feel.

[RedvsBlue]

Its not as bad as people say. Its pretty good..not $50 good but still good.

So basically its even more like XIII. Great game but not even close to being worth full price.

[RedvsBlue]

The gameplay is ok at best but the story is great...confusing but great. This is the type of game you play the first time through and you go what just happened. So you try to piece the story together and you start playing again just to figure out all the details you might have missed.

Think of it in the same breath as movies such as The Usual Suspects, Momento but with more of a Mullholand Drive feel.


Hmmm sounds awesome. I'm definetly picking this up when the price drops.

[whoknows]

So basically its even more like XIII. Great game but not even close to being worth full price.

I'd say its worth around $30. I wish I would have waited, but I was too curious

[Robobandit]

Ahh well, most people's opinions of it go through the roof when they hit the ending.. perhaps the same thing will happen to you :)

I'm enjoying it, but my brain hurts at times from this game. I find it hard to remember every little thing each character said, even the clues..

In the name of Harman... :twoguns:

[Dr Mario Kart]

FYI, if you google "Killer 7 Sales", you get a link to a CAG forum thread as #6. I was trying to find a comparison of GC/PS2 sales.

[whoknows]

FYI, if you google "Killer 7 Sales", you get a link to a CAG forum thread as #6. I was trying to find a comparison of GC/PS2 sales.

If you do find anything do share :)

[chickenhawk]

FYI, if you google "Killer 7 Sales", you get a link to a CAG forum thread as #6. I was trying to find a comparison of GC/PS2 sales.

At my Toys R Us it had the Gamecube version as the #3 best seller for Gamecube. I don't think it was even in the top 10 for PS2. Not sure that means anything though...

[Quackzilla]

I was going to get it, but then I read the reviews and found out it was a rail shooter.

Fuck that.

[pinkkirby]

Actually this game is quite exciting. I would enjoy a lot less if it's a true freedom 3D shooter because I would just go play my powerful PC and 9999999 different titles of FPS. PC fps over console anyday until maybe the next generation.

This game reminds me a lot of "nights" from SS. Looks 3D ish but not really. Your routes are pre-determined although the world appears to be in 3D. Still great though. My biggest complain is, that some character animations don't seem to be realistic. I meant, even it's cell-shaded, you could still have excellent/smooth animation, etc. But some of the reload/ movements are just doll.

[Apossum]

The gameplay does get much more challenging and exciting-- there's gotta be at least 30 different types of Smilies. Way better than XIII, which is just a plain old FPS with different graphics.

I agree Pinkkirby-- this game is MUCH better off the way it is..if it were free roaming 3rd person it would suck, plain and simple.

So basically another "innovative" cel-shaded FPS is poorly recieved?

I don't think so...most people who play it, like it. except Gamepro.

[sisco1986]

I've played the game now for about 8 hours and I love it. Yes, the game is on rails but it really doesn't feel like it's on rails because you can go back and forth where ever and when ever you want, you have total control of where to go, you just can't move freely. It's not like house of the dead where you just let the game take you where you want, you actually have to go to specific places, only difference is that you can't move the character in any direction but forward and backward (which you control actively) it's pre determined (That's the on rails part), which doesn't take away from the game, it actually gives the game a film like perspective seeing the game the way the developers wanted you to see it, which is a nice artistic effect.

The core gameplay is great, it's not brainless shooting, as the game progresses you have to think to see how to kill the enemies because not all of them die the same way. They even use the enemies as mini puzzles to get to certain areas. The actual core gameplay of shooting is fun in my book.

And the plot and content of this game, is just totally out there. It's like having a sociopathic nightmare while almost comprehending what's going on but at the same time not really knowing what the hell is going on, and that is what makes the game so great, and also what turns so many people off. This is the one most original games i've ever played and I'm not even the 2nd disk yet..

Oh, and Please stop comparing XIII to Killer 7, Killer 7 is nothing like XIII except for the artistic style which aren't even in the same ball park in terms of skill and art direction. If your looking for an original game, an artistic game and a game that's just totally off the wall in terms of just pure insanity, just get this game, to me it's worth the 50 bucks, and no that's not hype typing.

[whoknows]

I liked XIII...why all the hate for it?

[sisco1986]

I liked XIII...why all the hate for it?

Theres no hate, it's just there not even on the same plane in terms of direction. Ones a First Person Shooter that was to me just a tad on the bland side (which i'm NOT! going to get into) and Killer 7 which the only reason it's being compared to is because they have two things in common, which are the artistic style, which again XIII can't even touch and it being a FPS which in this case Killer 7 isn't a pure first person shooter. Killer 7 wasn't aiming towards being a Full blooded run and gun first person shooter like XIII was, that's why I don't think it's a good comparison. It's like comparing Halo and tribes almost the same concept, but not really the same type of game.

[Robobandit]

Just finished the game.. man, I missed a lot of things.. I'll definitely have to play through this again and pay closer attention.

One of my favorite games now :)

[Apossum]

Just finished the game.. man, I missed a lot of things.. I'll definitely have to play through this again and pay closer attention.

One of my favorite games now :)


Same here. THAT ENDING WAS NUTSO :shock: btw, there's a great thread on Gamefaqs that lays it all out. It doesn't make perfect sense, but you will have a better sense of closure after reading it. There are so many little pieces to put together and the fact that it wasn't at all focused on Harmon really threw me off.

I'm writing a review for it right now...

[chickenhawk]

Same here. THAT ENDING WAS NUTSO :shock: btw, there's a great thread on Gamefaqs that lays it all out. It doesn't make perfect sense, but you will have a better sense of closure after reading it. There are so many little pieces to put together and the fact that it wasn't at all focused on Harmon really threw me off.

I'm writing a review for it right now...

How long did it take to finish. I still haven't opened mine, but it's calling me. :D I haven't opened it cause I am thinking about trading my PS2 version for the GC version. It's just that I rarely get to play my GC...

[whoknows]

How long did it take to finish. I still haven't opened mine, but it's calling me. :D I haven't opened it cause I am thinking about trading my PS2 version for the GC version. It's just that I rarely get to play my GC...

I rarely get to play my GC too but was stupid and bought the GC version anyways. Now I get to play 1 time a week at most :sad:

The loading screens give me a headache so GC version is probably the way to go (since PS2 version takes longer to load)

[Apossum]

How long did it take to finish. I still haven't opened mine, but it's calling me. :D I haven't opened it cause I am thinking about trading my PS2 version for the GC version. It's just that I rarely get to play my GC...


i'm not 100% sure, there's no timer in the game.....but I'd guess about 15 hours.
I would get the cube version if you have a gamecube. might as well ditch the port for the original.

Btw, I posted a review in the review section. It's long as hell, but if anyone wants to check it out and give me a technical critique, that would be cool :-)

[Spoon_si]

I was at BB today about to rent it... but the guy was just ripping on how bad this game was...

I guess I just passed on it agian... well atleast I saved my self... $6.99 rental fee...

[pinkkirby]

I was at BB today about to rent it... but the guy was just ripping on how bad this game was...

I guess I just passed on it agian... well atleast I saved my self... $6.99 rental fee...

That's why you join BB for first month or two and take advantage of this promotion thing. (unlimited rental - 14.99 for first month ?) After that, be a rental whore and play every game they have (not that many titles, but sure beats 6.99 for one game.)

And yeah, I have no idea why ppl compare XIII and K7. , this is like comparing apple to cabbage. They might seem to be similar (graphics and ONLY graphics) they are not even close one to another in terms of gameplay and overall experience.

I must admit, US K7 is a lot harder than Jap version. In normal mode, Jap K7 has auto aim (target smiles' weak spot) while US version you have to analog it yourself. But what I don't get is, in Jap version voice acting for that red bondage guy (Ikurawaga or watever) , he speaks English, although it's so poorly recorded that you cannot understand jack s of it... "MASTER, it is dangerous... it is very dangerous.. (tha'ts all i heard)
In US version they simply made it a bunch "blah". like techno remix.

[Darkside Hazuki]

Loved it. Keeping it.

[dudecool320]

:booty: yep

[chickenhawk]

i'm not 100% sure, there's no timer in the game.....but I'd guess about 15 hours.
I would get the cube version if you have a gamecube. might as well ditch the port for the original.

Btw, I posted a review in the review section. It's long as hell, but if anyone wants to check it out and give me a technical critique, that would be cool :-)

Yeah, I think I probably will get the GC version now. Ports usually suck compared to the original and I try to avoid them if at all possible.