Muslims condemn london attacks

[alonzomourning23]

It's sad they have to keep running these stories


Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks on London and said they fear their communities could now fall prey to vigilante attacks.


Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe.

He said women in headscarves might be in particular danger and warned all Muslims to be especially vigilant.

Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate, had been targeted.

Mr Sheikh said the unique good relationship Muslims had with the government and society was threatened. "The person who did this was targeting along with wider British society the Muslim community, ruining the good relationship we have."



He said the police should consider extra protection for mosques and Islamic schools and said Muslims, particularly women in headscarves, should be vigilant and avoid unnecessary journeys.

"It is scary. A tiny element of the community will make use of this. It is a blow to us, to all of us. It is a moment of sadness and we send our condolences to the families of those who have been killed or injured."

Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim Council of Britain said he utterly condemned the attacks.

"We are simply appalled and want to express our deepest condolences to the families.

"These terrorists, these evil peoplewant to demoralise us as a nation and divide us.

"All of must unite in helping the police to hunt these murderers down."

Mr Sacranie admitted "there may well be elements who want to exploit this tragedy and incite hatred".

Attacks danger

Mr Versi said he had already received one threatening e-mail about the blasts.

"There might be some increase in attacks on the Muslim community especially visible aspects of Islam like mosques, community centres and women with headscarves.

"Recently there have been a lot of attacks on Muslim women on buses in London, it has increased during the last few months."

But he said the immediate Muslim revulsion at the attacks could help calm the situation.

"I don't think there'll be as high a number of attacks as after 11 September because Muslims have come out very strongly, especially Muslim leaders, condemning the attacks.

"I'm sure many Muslims will have been injured as well... one of the bombs - at Aldgate - was near to the east London mosque, it's a very heavy Muslim area.

"Muslims have to be vigilant now, especially the mosques, and I hope the police will increase security on mosques and Islamic centres."

Other religious leaders also offered their condolences and condemned the attack.

Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks said: "These terrible events have brought home to us the full evil that terror represents.

"It is not the weapon of the weak against the strong but the rage of the angry against the defenceless and innocent. It is an evil means to an evil end. "I will be asking all our congregations to say special prayers for the victims and their families this Sabbath. We grieve for the dead, pray for the injured and share our tears with the bereaved."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Why is it sad? They've let their religion be hijacked. They know what mosques in their communities are sympathetic to these causes, they know who is raising funds, they know who is sheltering foreigners. They're completely aware of what is in their midsts and do nothing about it. The only thing muslim "leaders" do is come forward and cry about discrimination and tolerence for their faith. Yet they do nothing about the problems in their own faith that they are fully aware of.

I feel no empathy for these people. None.

It's no different than what happened in the south around the times of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You had murdering, lynching and bombing Klansmen out killing blacks and their white Yankee cohorts. When something happened everyone in town knew it was the Klan and more than likely knew who did it before the FBI questioned one person. Yet none came forward, none went against their neighbors and none did anything about the evil in their midst.

It's no different now. In fact it's on a much greater muderous scale now than the Klan could ever have imagined. You want the world and population at large to stop thinking of you as terrorists, sympathizers or coddlers? Turn these people in. If you're doing the right thing to protect your faith be brave about it. If you protect the innocent as proscribed by Mohammed and are murdered for doing so you'll be admitted to Paradise according to your faith.

Anything less than this is cowardice and not worthy of our tolerence or understanding.

[Quackzilla]

PAD really believes that all Muslims are bad.

[alonzomourning23]

PAD really believes that all Muslims are bad.

I think his last post pretty much proved that.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

So you both are of the opinion that people that allow horrible things to be done in their name bear no responsibility? I am willing to bet you that in the days and weeks come forward those responsible had been in London for some time. I'm willing to go further that they were sheltered by or funded by a radical slanted mosque. There will be muslims questioned after the fact that knew of these people but didn't think they were doing anything more than listening to a "controversial" Imam or perhaps speaking figuratively.

It's no secret I hold no love for muslims and generally distrust the entire faith at the inaction of their leaders. What, this is news?

Are you truly that clueless as what my personal biases are? Wow, you are dumb.

[Quackzilla]

So if all Muslims have either direct or indirect ties to Al Qaeda and all of them at least silently support it, does that mean all Christians have ties to and support the Ku Klux Klan?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Yes, especially the Catholic Christians. The Klan really loves the Catholics......

[E-Z-B]

Why is it sad? They've let their religion be hijacked. They know what mosques in their communities are sympathetic to these causes, they know who is raising funds, they know who is sheltering foreigners. They're completely aware of what is in their midsts and do nothing about it. The only thing muslim "leaders" do is come forward and cry about discrimination and tolerence for their faith. Yet they do nothing about the problems in their own faith that they are fully aware of.

Replace "mosques" with "churches", and "muslim" with "religious right" and you have what's happening with our country, our president.

[Scrubking]

Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks on London and said they fear their communities could now fall prey to vigilante attacks.

Good, maybe enough fear will be put in them to get off their asses and stop supporting terrorists behind the scenes. A few vigilante killings would do nicely. In fact I'm on the brink of going Death Wish on some terrorist supporting asses.

Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe.
Yeah, forget all of the people who died and their families. Let's only worry about the safety of the muslim community. :roll:

fuck all those mother fuckers!!

[Quackzilla]

Scrubking:

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[Kayden]

Why is it sad? They've let their religion be hijacked. They know what mosques in their communities are sympathetic to these causes, they know who is raising funds, they know who is sheltering foreigners. They're completely aware of what is in their midsts and do nothing about it. The only thing muslim "leaders" do is come forward and cry about discrimination and tolerence for their faith. Yet they do nothing about the problems in their own faith that they are fully aware of.


Are you saying they're at fault for not stopping terrorism simply because they share the religion. Even that is a tenuous claim seeing how the ones doing the bombings are EXTREMISTS.

What have you done about catholic priests molesting children or bashing gays? Oh wait, you approve of that.

Have you done anything to stop crooked politicians? You're an American just like them. Why haven't you stopped them from robbing from the poor to feed the rich? ... Oh yea, you approve of that too.

[Kayden]

Wow.... this post makes you almost as stupid as PAD.
They offered their condolences to those who lost people. However, your post is proof of how valid their concern is.

Extreemist Christians bomb abortian clinics, does that mean we can drag all other Christians into the street and beat them to death?

Get a fucking clue.


Good, maybe enough fear will be put in them to get off their asses and stop supporting terrorists behind the scenes. A few vigilante killings would do nicely. In fact I'm on the brink of going Death Wish on some terrorist supporting asses.


Yeah, forget all of the people who died and their families. Let's only worry about the safety of the muslim community. :roll:

fuck all those mother fuckers!!

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Replace "mosques" with "churches", and "muslim" with "religious right" and you have what's happening with our country, our president.

Yeah, you're right. In fact I'm surprised that Bush hasn't called for a Christian Crusdae in churches around the country calling on the religous right to plant bombs on subways and busses in blue states and cities.

You really are one dumb son of a bitch aren't you?

[Kayden]

Yeah, you're right. In fact I'm surprised that Bush hasn't called for a Christian Crusdae in churches around the country calling on the religous right to plant bombs on subways and busses in blue states and cities.

You really are one dumb son of a bitch aren't you?

Right... instead hes out blocking gay rights, preventing life saving research like stem cells and destroying the environment... Much better.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Are you saying they're at fault for not stopping terrorism simply because they share the religion. Even that is a tenuous claim seeing how the ones doing the bombings are EXTREMISTS.

What have you done about catholic priests molesting children or bashing gays? Oh wait, you approve of that.

Have you done anything to stop crooked politicians? You're an American just like them. Why haven't you stopped them from robbing from the poor to feed the rich? ... Oh yea, you approve of that too.

I'm not Catholic. If I were I'd have the priests removed from their positions, would call in law enforcement immediately and have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I love the gay argument, not accepting sin isn't bashing gays.

Robbing the poor? Who can rob the poor? Why would you rob the poor? What do the poor have to steal? They're poor!

[camoor]

Replace "mosques" with "churches", and "muslim" with "religious right" and you have what's happening with our country, our president.

Exactly, not to mention that the catholic church condoned priests sodomizing little boys for years, the baptists openly hate gay people, however the muslim faith has come right out and denounced these fringe groups that commit terrorism.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I love how a thread about Muslim terrorists immediately loses focus and becomes an attack on Christians. And to think I doubted the ADD statistics the drug companies keep putting out despite the evidence right in front of me......

[Quackzilla]

KILL ALL MUSLIMS!!!

Hey, you tuned this into a Christian bashing topic, fucking assholes!

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/182/1011/1024/slit%20throat.jpg

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Just out of curiosity Quack, do you bury the kittens you kill or just let scavengers and insects consume them.

[Kayden]

I'm not Catholic. If I were I'd have the priests removed from their positions, would call in law enforcement immediately and have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I love the gay argument, not accepting sin isn't bashing gays.

Robbing the poor? Who can rob the poor? Why would you rob the poor? What do the poor have to steal? They're poor!
Calling their way of life sin is gay bashing. Why is it sin? Is it because they have sex before they're married? We'll 1, who doesn't, and 2) they aren't allowed to get married.

As for stealling for not being able to steal from the poor... I don't even think you can pretend to not see the dispartity in incomes.


I love how a thread about Muslim terrorists immediately loses focus and becomes an attack on Christians. And to think I doubted the ADD statistics the drug companies keep putting out despite the evidence right in front of me......

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was just bringing it up as a point of reference. You're bashing the entire religion for the acts of a few. I was trying to point out that other religions have problems that are just as unsightly.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Disparity in income is now systematic and organized theft? Wow, someone is playing in the deep end of the socialist pool today.

[Scrubking]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was just bringing it up as a point of reference. You're bashing the entire religion for the acts of a few. I was trying to point out that other religions have problems that are just as unsightly.

You have the nerve to compare the killing of thousands of innocent people to someone's right to believe homosexuality is wrong?

Someone does indeed need to get a clue, but it ain't me.

Calling their way of life sin is gay bashing. Why is it sin?
1. No it isn't.
2. Because God says so, and since he made everything he has the right to set the rules.

[coffman]

Next week's breaking news:

The terrorists involved in last week's attack in London all came from Iran. Prime Minister Tony Blair, along with his close ally President George Bush, have promised that those terrorists will be brought to justice, no matter how many Iranian civilians die in the impending invasion.

[Quackzilla]

2. Because God says so, and since he made everything he has the right to set the rules.
lol

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[PittsburghAfterDark]

Next week's breaking news:

The terrorists involved in last week's attack in London all came from Iran. Prime Minister Tony Blair, along with his close ally President George Bush, have promised that those terrorists will be brought to justice, no matter how many Iranian civilians die in the impending invasion.

Excellent. I look forward to carpet bombing Tehran with fuel air explosives and turning it into a graveyard for millions. I've been waiting for this since 1979.

[Quackzilla]

Excellent. I look forward to carpet bombing Tehran with fuel air explosives and turning it into a graveyard for millions. I've been waiting for this since 1979.
Genocide is bad, unless we are killing Arabs, then it's okay.

[Kayden]

PAD threads are like that damn electricfied cupcake. I know its gunna hurt to touch, but I keep doing it anyways.

[E-Z-B]

Yeah, you're right. In fact I'm surprised that Bush hasn't called for a Christian Crusdae in churches around the country calling on the religous right to plant bombs on subways and busses in blue states and cities.

You really are one dumb son of a bitch aren't you?

How about the "Crusade", as Bush put it, in the middle east right now?

[camoor]

Excellent. I look forward to carpet bombing Tehran with fuel air explosives and turning it into a graveyard for millions. I've been waiting for this since 1979.

You sound like a terrorist to me.

[atreyue]

I love how quick you all are to try to cover up what PAD was orginally talking about with diversionary tactics. If you are covering up for a bad person, then you are doing a bad thing. It doesn't matter that they might be of the same race or religion as you. I did notice that no one has denied PAD's assertion that the muslim community silently supports terrorists and their acts. Whether or not christians do the same thing is immaterial. Whether or not PAD is biased against Muslims, doesn't change the fact that his point is valid. Unfortunately, attempts at character assassination won't refute his point. Muslim leaders should be calling on their own community to do all it can to stop these attacks instead of just trying to avoid the fallout. To do anything less is tacitly condoning these acts of terrorism.

[camoor]

Muslim leaders should be calling on their own community to do all it can to stop these attacks instead of just trying to avoid the fallout. To do anything less is tacitly condoning these acts of terrorism.

So you want the mosque to train a team of spec ops clerics to clear out any terrorist activity.

It's a religion. It doesn't hunt down terrorists, governments do that. The most that the organizational body of the religion can do is denounce the act, and they did that. That's more then the baptists did for gay bashing, not to mention the active efforts of catholics to cover up their pedo sex scandal. Nice to see there are two standards, one is impossibly high for Islam and the other disgustingly low (and still unable to be met) for organized christianity.

[Kayden]

So you want the mosque to train a team of spec ops clerics to clear out any terrorist activity.

It's a religion. It doesn't hunt down terrorists, governments do that. The most that the organizational body of the religion can do is denounce the act, and they did that. That's more then the baptists did for gay bashing, not to mention the active efforts of catholics to cover up their pedo sex scandal. Nice to see there are two standards, one is impossibly high for Islam and the other disgustingly low (and still unable to be met) for organized christianity.
8-) Thanks, I'm too busy to feed the trolls.

[E-Z-B]

Get this: Faux News says that the bombings "work to our advantage" --

Fox News' Brian Kilmeade: London terror attack near G8 summit "works to ... Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together"

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

KILMEADE: Yeah.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

How fortunate for us. :roll:

[atreyue]

So you want the mosque to train a team of spec ops clerics to clear out any terrorist activity.

It's a religion. It doesn't hunt down terrorists, governments do that. The most that the organizational body of the religion can do is denounce the act, and they did that. That's more then the baptists did for gay bashing, not to mention the active efforts of catholics to cover up their pedo sex scandal. Nice to see there are two standards, one is impossibly high for Islam and the other disgustingly low (and still unable to be met) for organized christianity.

As someone (PAD, I think) mentioned earlier, the same thing happened with the KKK. Doesn't mean it was right. The point that was made is that there are undoubted plenty of muslims who knew the people involved and knew what they planned. They all stayed silent. Maybe they did nothing because they feel a stronger connection to a fellow muslim no matter what their profession. Or maybe they refused to act because their religion doesn't truly view these kinds of acts as wrong. Either way they refused to act and they were wrong to do so. Bringing up the fact (which I have not denied) that christians have been guilty of the same things doesn't actually have any effect on this. Pointing out one group's flaws in an attempt to justify another's is juvenile.

[atreyue]

Get this: Faux News says that the bombings "work to our advantage" --

Fox News' Brian Kilmeade: London terror attack near G8 summit "works to ... Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together"

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

KILMEADE: Yeah.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

How fortunate for us. :roll:

Unfortunately, they are right. It does raise paranoia and allows governments to take more control than they should probably have. If I were these guys, I wouldn't want to do anything to excite the conspiracy theorists. Having a group named "The Super Secret Muslims Who Support Al-Quaida, Yeah!" claim responsibility already makes it look pretty fishy.

[Rich]

Next week's breaking news:

The terrorists involved in last week's attack in London all came from Iran. Prime Minister Tony Blair, along with his close ally President George Bush, have promised that those terrorists will be brought to justice, no matter how many Iranian civilians die in the impending invasion.

I hope.

PAD couldn't be more right. The moderate Islam's silence is the equivalent of approval.

[mykevermin]

Unfortunately, they are right. It does raise paranoia and allows governments to take more control than they should probably have. If I were these guys, I wouldn't want to do anything to excite the conspiracy theorists. Having a group named "The Super Secret Muslims Who Support Al-Quaida, Yeah!" claim responsibility already makes it look pretty fishy.

Although Fox seemed to indicate that issues such as global warming are inherently meaningless, they are right, to some extent. Terrorism needs to be focused on at a national and international level.

Also, someone needs to tell George W. Bush this; it would be best to be the leaders of other first world nations, since voters, scientific research, and other knowledgable people don't seem to have much luck convincing Bush to go after terrorists.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Although Fox seemed to indicate that issues such as global warming are inherently meaningless, they are right, to some extent. Terrorism needs to be focused on at a national and international level.

Also, someone needs to tell George W. Bush this; it would be best to be the leaders of other first world nations, since voters, scientific research, and other knowledgable people don't seem to have much luck convincing Bush to go after terrorists.

So what does that make the liberals that want to close Club Gitmo or give these de facto POW's civillian trials instead of indefinite captivity? Stupid? Clueless? Insane? You know these same people who think torture is playing loud music, turning up the air conditioning high and making someone sleep on a cement floor during questioning? If you think Bush isn't going after terrorists just what do you call the people that want to free the ones we have captured?

[E-Z-B]

Here's an interesting analysis from DU of the bombings:

I woke up to the news of the London tragedy this morning, and am utterly shocked. So I really have not had any time to research this, and have been reading LBN and GD for news on it. So please forgive me if I have the odd fact or two wrong for now, and have to shoot straight from the top of my head.

First, I need to say one thing and get it off my chest: Please stop the panicky "end of the world-the stock market is doomed-martial law is coming-OMG OMG OMG-we can never take public transportation again" posts. This is just the type of mentality that shrub and the rest of the neo-cons prey on. We can set an example by showing cooler heads, something which is obviously lacking in the Federal Government.

Now on to my take of today’s events:

We will find these people and bring them to justice, what ever it takes"

"I think about Iraq every day. EVERY SINGLE DAY. And I'm going to KEEP thinking about Iraq."---the lying chimp

The attack in London, tragic as it is, is a direct result of Bush and Blair losing interest in pursuing al-Qaeda. They followed their own agenda when they went to Iraq, knowing full well that there was no connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq.

Bush and Blair both lost interest in Afghanistan, where the Taliban is now in resurgence. Both failed to take any action whatsoever against Saudi Arabia or Egypt which is where the 9/11 hijackers came from. They both forged an alliance with Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden is apparently being hid, and orchestrating present terrorist attacks.

Had we stayed in Afghanistan, spent the billions necessary to rebuild that war torn nation, and aggressively pursued Bin Laden and crew, much of what is a real terrorist threat could have been nipped in the bud.

Since 9-11, we have constantly been barraged, day in and day out, with nonstop mentions of "terrorism" and "terrorists" and "alert levels". Shrubs entire 2004 campaign was run as he stood on the backs of thousands of dead men, women, and children caused by his incompetent bungling, while he smugly lied to the world about how we are all safer today. How many freedoms have been given up in the name of fighting terrorism? How many hundreds of billions of dollars given to sleazy war profiteers like Halliburton? How many thousands of human lives lost as a result?

Believe me, I could go on for pages just about this, however, it would serve no real purpose but to tell everyone here what you already know. The point I am getting at, is that this administration appointed themselves as the worlds police force, and used that as their excuse to rob the treasury blind, and cause an illegal war in a different unrelated country to fulfill their own agenda of controlling OPEC.

They got what they asked for, handed to them on a silver platter by the conservative majority in the Senate and House, and by a handful of weak kneed Democrats that went along with them. Guess what. Today’s events prove beyond a shadow of doubt that this administration consists of complete and utter failures. It's what we do with that knowledge that will be the important thing.

I confess that in the first couple of days after September 11th, I thought we'd be better off with the tough-talking, senior guys running the government and couldn't quite imagine Al Gore being that tough. My God, how I have beat myself up for that in all the ensuing years that followed.

Anyway, just my two cents...

[mykevermin]

So what does that make the liberals that want to close Club Gitmo or give these de facto POW's civillian trials instead of indefinite captivity? Stupid? Clueless? Insane? You know these same people who think torture is playing loud music, turning up the air conditioning high and making someone sleep on a cement floor during questioning? If you think Bush isn't going after terrorists just what do you call the people that want to free the ones we have captured?

I don't think anyone is upset about air conditioning. Don't belittle the very real torture that some people have gone through, both at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

You know what I want? For the people here to be charged with something. If they're convictable terrorists, do something with them. If they aren't, and you have no tangible evidence that they are linked with terrorist organizations, then let them go. It seems that, based on the things you say, you have no doubt in your mind that everyone at either major (albeit 'temporary') institution is guilty of something. Why not get on with charging and convicting them with something? My concern is that we have lots of brown people locked up without any access, without any liberties, and without any charges. Why can't we simply get past that major hurdle, and then we'll talk about terrorism.

Here's the millon-dollar question: Could this terrorist attack have been prevented if Bush (and Blair) were not so preoccupied with Iraq?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I don't think anyone is upset about air conditioning. Don't belittle the very real torture that some people have gone through, both at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

You know what I want? For the people here to be charged with something. If they're convictable terrorists, do something with them. If they aren't, and you have no tangible evidence that they are linked with terrorist organizations, then let them go. It seems that, based on the things you say, you have no doubt in your mind that everyone at either major (albeit 'temporary') institution is guilty of something. Why not get on with charging and convicting them with something? My concern is that we have lots of brown people locked up without any access, without any liberties, and without any charges. Why can't we simply get past that major hurdle, and then we'll talk about terrorism.

Here's the millon-dollar question: Could this terrorist attack have been prevented if Bush (and Blair) were not so preoccupied with Iraq?

You don't charge POW's or de facto POW's. You hold them for the duration of the conflict, that's what being a POW is. They don't get access to lawyers. If the conflict lasts 20 years they're stuck for 20 years. Go ask John McCain about what it means to be a POW and about torture. He seems to be the only person scabs on this nation like you give any creedence to.

We don't complain about air conditioning? What the hell did Dick Durbin do on the floor of the Senate? Do you pay NO attention? So you know all about "real torture" right? We're using electricity? We're pulling fingernails, amputating fingers, toes, dipping people in plastic shredders? Fraternity worthy hazing pranks of naked pyramids or dog leashing is not torture.

The answer to your million dollar question is no, i t could not have been prevented just beccause of pre-occupation with Iraq and you know it. Just like Bali, Madrid, Kenya, Somolia, the USS Cole, 9/11 and other Al Qaeda attacks weren't stopped.

Of course you want to say yes because your blind political hatred so deludes you to the nature of the terrorist threat. I'd really like to know how many vehement anti-war and hard core pacifistic lefties were killed and maimed today. I'd like to know where their sentiment got them. I'd like to ask them as they sit there in hospital beds across London if they get it yet.

The next time it happens in New York, Washington or another U.S. city I want to see how many thick headed morons finally wake up when their limbs are blown off and left on street corners or subway platforms. I want to see how many treasonous Senators, liberal newspaper writers and liberal message board posters realize they can't reason their way out of this threat. I just wonder how many gallons of blood and thousands more lives need to be eliminated and shattered in the West before they wake up and realize this is a declared war on YOU and not one Islamofascist gives a rats fucking ass what kind of sensitivity you show their faith.

They laugh at you, just like I do, except they want you dead. I want you to wake the fuck up.

[usickenme]

Of course you want to say yes because your blind political hatred so deludes you to the nature of the terrorist threat. I'd really like to know how many vehement anti-war and hard core pacifistic lefties were killed and maimed today. I'd like to know where their sentiment got them. I'd like to ask them as they sit there in hospital beds across London if they get it yet.

The next time it happens in New York, Washington or another U.S. city I want to see how many thick headed morons finally wake up when their limbs are blown off and left on street corners or subway platforms. I want to see how many treasonous Senators, liberal newspaper writers and liberal message board posters realize they can't reason their way out of this threat. I just wonder how many gallons of blood and thousands more lives need to be eliminated and shattered in the West before they wake up and realize this is a declared war on YOU and not one Islamofascist gives a rats fucking ass what kind of sensitivity you show their faith.

.

you are a sick fuck...

hoping for death and destruction just to prove a point.

Beyond your hyperbole you miss the point. Every hardcore pacifist I know believes to his dying day that violence begats violence. They speak out against it all, they don't discriminate because of blind political loyalty or even patriotism.

Where did the pro-war sentiment get people today?

This Rovian/Limbaugh bullcrap you keep spouting didn't "save" anyone. Nor did your hatred of the brown people make a difference.

You know what dipshit? We've already had plenty of blood in the street, death and destruction, lives shattered to make your twisted point. Yet all we do is make more. Try again.

[mykevermin]

meh. Another attack won't change a thing about pacifists or ardent "let's-make-it-a-parking-lot-with-bombing-raids"ists, since our ideologies are built with escape hatches whenever we're challenged.

I'm curious, however, how PAD manages to find fault with the pacifists for these attacks, given the complete and total LACK OF ANY FUCKING PACIFISTS AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL OF EITHER BRITISH OR UNITED STATES GOVERNMENTS. Dude, you're giving the people in charge a free ride, but blaming the krishnas or college socialists whose existence matters to fucking nobody?

The corollary to your argument holds: the SUV-driving, yellow ribbon magnet emblazoned (perhaps even a nice fat-ass suburban momma sequin-patterned USA flag vest for good measure) pro-Bush, pro-war mongoloid might wonder, amidst flying limbs (since we're going to use that kind of imagery), "Why do they hate us?" Then they'll think of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act, Color colded terror measures, no Osama, an exhausted military in Iraq, no link between Iraq and al Qaeda, no WMD, the Downing Street Memo, advanced military strategy ("stay the course"), and they might think to themselves..."perhaps we should have focused on places other than Iraq; perhaps we shouldn't detain people for no reason; perhaps we shouldn't torture people who are detained for no reason...etc."

Of course, they won't. They'll think, "there wouldn't be any terrorism if it weren't for liberal college Birkenstock-wearing hippies!"

I don't care for hippies either (even if we may agree ideologically), man, but at least I understand how useless they are. Let's look to the leaders against the "war on terror" to understand why our intelligence didn't catch on to this, and why our military hasn't gotten Osama bin Laden (who?) yet.

[E-Z-B]

Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:

http://www.hootmail.jpg

EDIT: Picture removed since I made my point. You can see it here: http://mindprod.com/images/manandgirl.jpg

And if you REALLY want to see what this Iraq war looks like from the inside, then go here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

This is what the Republicans have created.

[mykevermin]

pr0n!

[alonzomourning23]

ezb, so I don't have to see that again, can you please remove it or make it a link with a warning?

Though the argument the the majority of muslims silently support terrorists isn't based in fact. For one, if someone says how much they hate blacks you're not gonna report them to the cops, since you don't exactly expect that guy to round one up and start lynching him/her. And anyone who lives in areas with large amounts of muslims know they aren't the terrorist supporters that people make them out to be. I think some people here could benefit from spending a few months around muslims. Though, you can also spend 2 minutes on google and find tons of articles about muslims denouncing practically any pure terrorist attack you can remember (I've posted lists in multiple arguments, and really don't want to do it again considering the people arguing this point have long been known as bigots so it would be pointless).

[Kayden]

Dude, that is seriously wrong. Even I am bothered by that.

Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:

[mykevermin]

Don't edit it. Fuck it if you can't take it, since it's fucking reality.

On the other hand, I do recognize and appreciate that you aren't lauding the photo as evidence of another dead "islamofacist."

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Better their kids than ours.

[Kayden]

If its captured in a photo its reality. Child porn is a reality, that doesn't mean I wish to see picture of it. Rape is reality, that doesn't mean I want to watch it. A young child mangled by a bomb is reality, but I sure as all hell don't want to see it. Normally, I wouldn't give a fuck. I hate most people. But she's just 4-6. She's an innocent and couldn't possible deserve anything close to that.

Don't edit it. Fuck it if you can't take it, since it's fucking reality.

On the other hand, I do recognize and appreciate that you aren't lauding the photo as evidence of another dead "islamofacist."

[alonzomourning23]

Don't edit it. Fuck it if you can't take it, since it's fucking reality.

On the other hand, I do recognize and appreciate that you aren't lauding the photo as evidence of another dead "islamofacist."

The ones who are complaining about the pic aren't the ones condemning all muslims. You'd have a point if we supported the causes of such things, but that's not the case (at least for me). It's not as if I'm witnessing the end result of my policies. I've seen way too many of those pics (many worse), and don't need to see anymore unless they have some informational value to me.

Though, another genius comment from PAD.

I like this thread, figure this would get a couple responses and that's it, but when I came home I saw it had erupted.

[Rich]

ezb, so I don't have to see that again, can you please remove it or make it a link with a warning?

Though the argument the the majority of muslims silently support terrorists isn't based in fact. For one, if someone says how much they hate blacks you're not gonna report them to the cops, since you don't exactly expect that guy to round one up and start lynching him/her. And anyone who lives in areas with large amounts of muslims know they aren't the terrorist supporters that people make them out to be. I think some people here could benefit from spending a few months around muslims. Though, you can also spend 2 minutes on google and find tons of articles about muslims denouncing practically any pure terrorist attack you can remember (I've posted lists in multiple arguments, and really don't want to do it again considering the people arguing this point have long been known as bigots so it would be pointless).

Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.

[Kayden]

Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.

Oh yea... they should just pick up the phone and tell the terrorists to cut it out because they aren't playing nice. :roll:

What the fuck do you expect them to do? Sharing a religion doesn't make them responsible for the acts of others in that religion. Even if they did say 'hey, stop' what the hell makes you think the terrorists would listen?

They are TERRORISTS! They hurt people because they want to. I really doubt they're going to say "oh gee, sorry about the mix-up" if you tell them you don't want to be bombed.

[whoknows]

Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:

http://www.hootmail.jpg

EDIT: Picture removed since I made my point. You can see it here: http://mindprod.com/images/manandgirl.jpg

And if you REALLY want to see what this Iraq war looks like from the inside, then go here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

This is what the Republicans have created.

I'm sure the little girl in that picture was a terrorist or a threat to "Freedom".
People just don't want to acknowledge that these things are happening.
Fucking Bush, if he was killed that would solve a lot of problems.

[alonzomourning23]

Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.

The muslim leaders who don't agree are simply denounced by the extremists. And, as for silence, it's pretty damn easy to find them speaking out.

[kittie]

People just don't want to acknowledge that these things are happening.
Fucking Bush, if he was killed that would solve a lot of problems.

This is a map of Islamic terrorist activities over the last decade.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/0,,2005310636,00.jpg

I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.

[whoknows]

This is a map of Islamic terrorist activities over the last decade.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/0,,2005310636,00.jpg

I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.

And all of those are endangering Americas "freedom" and "democracy" and all that other bull, so bush has started a "crusade" against the Muslims.

[kittie]

Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:

http://www.hootmail.jpg

EDIT: Picture removed since I made my point. You can see it here: http://mindprod.com/images/manandgirl.jpg

And if you REALLY want to see what this Iraq war looks like from the inside, then go here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

This is what the Republicans have created.

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.

[kittie]

And all of those are endangering Americas "freedom" and "democracy" and all that other bull, so bush has started a "crusade" against the Muslims.

They're murdering innocent people all around the world.

What do you suppose the solution is?

[whoknows]

They're murdering innocent people all around the world.

What do you suppose the solution is?

And the U.S. is saving innocent people. Right??

[alonzomourning23]

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.

One of the best ways to defeat an enemy is to hinder their ability to gain recruits and to decrease their will to fight (ie. morale). If their argument essentially becomes true (which, if you idea was carried out then it would be), then they clearly will gain more recruits, and it won't just be the extremists we have to worry about.

Take a lesson from vietnam, war is not simply about the body count.

Besides, one innocent in new york is the same as one innocent in kabul.

[elprincipe]

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

1. Less than 3,000 people in New York, not 5,000. Facts are your friend; exaggeration is not.

2. "Cutting bloody swaths" through the enemy? Who is the enemy? All Muslims? Or just the terrorists? We can't exactly attack a single country and "cut bloody swaths" through them to get to the terrorists. We took out the major terrorist-sheltering country already. And killing every Iraqi, Afghan (not Afghani FYI) and Muslim is not only impossible and completely immoral, wrong and evil, but would play right into al Qaeda's hand of starting a "holy war" of the Muslim world against the West.

[Scrubking]

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

I got misty when I read that.

Anyway, this is the summation of this thread:

Conservatives - We need to kill those who try to kill us!

Wacko liberals - We need to hug those who try to kill us, and if they do kill us it's okay cause it's all our fault.

Threads like these make want to see a country completely run by wacko liberals and see them get nuked to hell when they try to implement their ridiculous ideals against terrorism.

[Scrubking]

but would play right into al Qaeda's hand of starting a "holy war" of the Muslim world against the West.

NEWS FLASH

The muslim world has ALREADY started a holy war against the west, and they've been fighting it for years now.

NEWS FLASH

[camoor]

NEWS FLASH

The muslim world has ALREADY started a holy war against the west, and they've been fighting it for years now.

NEWS FLASH

Hmmm, fighting fire with fire I see.

So now any country without an American-style democracy (heavily watered with a dose of conservative christianity) can expect our invasion forces?

[E-Z-B]

Conservatives - We need to kill those who try to kill us!

Wacko liberals - We need to hug those who try to kill us, and if they do kill us it's okay cause it's all our fault.

Here's what Scrubking MEANT to say:

Conservatives - We need to kill!

[camoor]

The ones who are complaining about the pic aren't the ones condemning all muslims. You'd have a point if we supported the causes of such things, but that's not the case (at least for me). It's not as if I'm witnessing the end result of my policies. I've seen way too many of those pics (many worse), and don't need to see anymore unless they have some informational value to me.

Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.

[E-Z-B]

Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.

I would've kept it up but since it's not my website, I didn't know if CheapyD would yank it or not.

[mykevermin]

Here's what Scrubking MEANT to say:

Is it even worth it to respond to something Scrub says? He's so PROUD of his ability to overgeneralize an entire population of people, that it's sickening.

And yet, it seems that the attitudes of extremists in the muslim world who, and I will agree with PAD here, want *all* of us dead, have made us blind to the fact that it is *only* the extremists who feel this way. Instead, we now have our own set of extremists whose interest it is to eradicate the entirety of ethnic muslims. So now we have a quickly building tautological (mutually reinforcing and redundant) desire to eliminate each other, and yet nobody in that frame of mind can "see the forest for the trees," to use that tired saying.

"Kill them all!"
"Why?"
"They want all of us dead!"

*sigh*

Scrubking's a bag of hammers, whose sheer idiocy, blind hatred, and unwillingness to use his education to criticize anything about himself or his country (and thus his "let's kill them all!!!" demeanor is little more than intellectual laziness), is putting him on my ignore list...AFTER he responds to this query:

Why aren't you in the military right now? If you're so gungfuckingho, go to your recruiter's office today and sign up, you fucking weak-kneed armchair general motherfucker.

[usickenme]

I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.

No but it ain't helping..in fact, Iraq is making it worse.

[E-Z-B]

Is it even worth it to respond to something Scrub says? He's so PROUD of his ability to overgeneralize an entire population of people, that it's sickening.

And yet, it seems that the attitudes of extremists in the muslim world who, and I will agree with PAD here, want *all* of us dead, have made us blind to the fact that it is *only* the extremists who feel this way. Instead, we now have our own set of extremists whose interest it is to eradicate the entirety of ethnic muslims. So now we have a quickly building tautological (mutually reinforcing and redundant) desire to eliminate each other, and yet nobody in that frame of mind can "see the forest for the trees," to use that tired saying.

"Kill them all!"
"Why?"
"They want all of us dead!"

*sigh*

Scrubking's a bag of hammers, whose sheer idiocy, blind hatred, and unwillingness to use his education to criticize anything about himself or his country (and thus his "let's kill them all!!!" demeanor is little more than intellectual laziness), is putting him on my ignore list...AFTER he responds to this query:

Why aren't you in the military right now? If you're so gungfuckingho, go to your recruiter's office today and sign up, you fucking weak-kneed armchair general motherfucker.

lol, that reminds me of the Top Ten Conservative Idiots List this week:

6. Young Republicans
Of course, there are good reasons why the military is suffering from recruitment problems - despite personal pleas from the president himself, the fact is that many young people who support the war simply want other people to fight it for them. Take the Young Republicans of South Carolina, for example. While the war rages in Iraq and violence is on the rise in Afghanistan, the South Carolina GOP recently held a contest to see who could do the best impersonation of Howard Dean "scream." Question: why weren't those young Republicans down at the local recruiting office instead?

Maybe it's because they just don't give a fuck. Max Blumenthal recently attended the College Republican National Convention and asked attendees why they weren't joining the military. Collin Kelley, who said that he's "'sick and tired of people saying our troops are dying in vain,' ... rubbed his shoulder and described a nagging football injury from high school." Edward Hauser, who said "I support our country. I support our troops," also announced that, "I know that I'm going to be better staying here and working to convince people why we're there . I'm a fighter, but with words."

I'll let Max tell you about Cory Bray himself:


By the time I encountered Cory Bray, a towering senior from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, the beer was flowing freely. "The people opposed to the war aren't putting their asses on the line," Bray boomed from beside the bar. Then why isn't he putting his ass on the line? "I'm not putting my ass on the line because I had the opportunity to go to the number-one business school in the country," he declared, his voice rising in defensive anger, "and I wasn't going to pass that up."

And besides, being a College Republican is so much more fun than counterinsurgency warfare. Bray recounted the pride he and his buddies had felt walking through the center of campus last fall waving a giant American flag, wearing cowboy boots and hats with the letters B-U-S-H painted on their bare chests. "We're the big guys," he said. "We're the ones who stand up for what we believe in. The College Democrats just sit around talking about how much they hate Bush. We actually do shit."

No Cory, you actually [I]are shit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/204.html

And last week:

9. Young Republican Chickenhawks
Maybe this will clear things up a bit. Last week, the Defense Department began an extremely dubious project with "a private marketing firm to create a database of high school students ages 16 to 18 and all college students to help the military identify potential recruits in a time of dwindling enlistment in some branches," according to the Washington Post.

Potential recruits eh? Well I surely can't think of a better bunch than the attendees at the upcoming Young Republican National Convention. Unfortunately, recruiting these brave war-supporters may not be as easy as you think. Crooks and Liars recently attempted to place an ad in the official program of the Young Republican National Convention (using an assumed name, of course). The ad read:


Our nation is at War!

We are in a desperate struggle for all we believe in.
Our military is suffering a manpower crisis.
Why are you here when your country needs you in Iraq?
Talk is cheap. America needs more from you.
College, family, and careers can wait.
Heed your nation's call and enlist in the infantry today.


Makes sense, right? Surely the Young Republican National Convention is prime pickings for the nation's military recruiters - fresh-faced young men and women who are not only ripe for military service, but wholeheartedly support the war!

Their response:


We are sorry but we must regretfully reject this advertisment. We feel that the tone of the message is too negative.


Aww, poor darlings. Well, if they don't want a reminder of the human cost of the Iraq occupation spoiling their little shindig, that's their business. I'm sure they don't need, you know, reality to get in the way of making tough-sounding speeches and toasting Donald Rumsfeld. Huge props to Crooks and Liars for exposing these chickenhawks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/203.html

[E-Z-B]

Looks like the war-profiteering chromosome is showing at Faux News again:

Brit Hume Goes On TV & Says He Wants to Profit Off the Terrorist Attack

Media Matters points out that Fox News' top anchorman, Brit Hume, gave us a glimpse into just how cynical, greedy and disgusting the right-wing's outlook on the world is:

"My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'"
- Fox News's Brit Hume, 7/7/05

That's right - his first thought after hearing about the awful terrorist attack in London today wasn't "how tragic," or "let's say a prayer for the dead," or "how can I help the victims" - his first thought was, there was a terrorist attack, how can I personally profit off it? In fact, his impulse to use the bloodshed to make himself money was so intense, he actually voiced it on national television.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/david-sirota/brit-hume-goes-on-tv-sa_3813.html

[mykevermin]

You know, that's the very first time I've ever been to DU. I wondered why PAD spent all that time braying about it. Now, don't get me wrong, I do spend a good deal of time at other sites (Buzzflash, Media Matters, etc.), but I've never been to Democraticunderground.com until today.

Huh.

[Kayden]

Yeap, we're fucked.

[E-Z-B]

It's always amusing seeing the right-wing, the same people demanding that the ten commandments be displayed in every courthouse, school, and home in America, demanding blood from a general group of people because of a handful of extremists. How ironic that one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not kill".

Had Bush not lost focus with hunting down the terrorists by getting distracted with Iraq (and thus creating more terrorists), then this might have all been averted.

[E-Z-B]

You know, that's the very first time I've ever been to DU. I wondered why PAD spent all that time braying about it. Now, don't get me wrong, I do spend a good deal of time at other sites (Buzzflash, Media Matters, etc.), but I've never been to Democraticunderground.com until today.

Huh.

DU and Rawstory is where I get most of my news.

[mykevermin]

Well, first off, it isn't amusing...but that's my opinion.

Also, what's most irksome is how the very people who degrade anything that is not christianity (although having a particular hatred for the other two Abrahamic faiths, for some fucked up reason) and want their preferred religion reinforced by the government and mandated by law, think that only "the other" (muslims) are being religious extremists.

If there is one thing that I absolutely *hate* with all the passion that I can, it is religion. Any of it. All of it. Durkheim showed that it served its purpose in providing a rationale for social order in the past. We have order now, and yet, the sheer irony that the very thing that helped perpetuate social order is now the root cause of its undoing.

Besides, I'd much rather hate a thing (and a thing that is a pure social construction, at that) than a person.

[Scrubking]

I find it funny how a piece of worthless shit that does nothing but spew nonsense, then pats himself on the back as some kind of genius for doing it, talks about ignoring me.

Myke,

You are a F ucking piece of shit. You have surpased Quackzilla in the qualty of your completely worthless posts. Yeah, you make them sound nice, but worthless shit is worthless shit even if you make it sound intelligent. In fact it's worse.

Best of all is your pompous attitude where you think that eveyrthing you say is right cause you're so smart. I should quote your amusing yet worthless rant to PAD about how smart and capable you are, but I don't want to post more of your ridiculous bullshit.

You are a typical wacko who can do nothing but spin everything to fit your own little ideology and then tries to act like he knows everything. In fact you are such a piece of shit wacko that you can't even post outside of the Vs board without trying to pick a fight like here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58208) . Normal, sane people should know better than to take the shit that happens in here outside into the rest of the site, but you are not one of them.

And your puny threats about putting me on your ignore list are laughable. Do you think I care? Do you think anyone cares? I can totally understand your weakness and lack of self control to have to blank out my posts. After all that is what your radical kind does - Look the other way and hope that all the problems of the world will disappear and not affect them.

Congradulations! You have graduated to the lowest scum of this site and like I did with Quack I will not acknoledge your repugnant existance anymore unless it is to say F uck you bitch.

[mykevermin]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'll take "I talk real big but I'll let the poor and/or minorities die instead" for $1000, Alex.

Listen Slappy. You're making yourself look worse by not answering the question, yet still responding. During my first trip to a casino in life, I learned quickly to quit while you're behind. I can only wish the same on you.

And, since I'm a giving person, I'll postpone my coffee trip this morning to post your response to the post I'm working on at the moment. Not only does it save you the typing time, but also the countless minutes that you normally spend coming up with brilliant, insightful, and though provoking refutations to the things that I say. Now, isn't that a bargain! The things myke does for you!

FUCK YOU BITCH!

There. Now sit back and relax. Think to yourself, "What an I going to do with all the time I saved now that myke responded for me? That's gotta be like 37 minutes!"

myke.
...I recommend a nice, bitter glass of lemonade.

[Kayden]

So... in otherwords, we're not letting you win the game by default so you're taking your ball and running home?



I find it funny how a piece of worthless shit that does nothing but spew nonsense, then pats himself on the back as some kind of genius for doing it, talks about ignoring me.

Myke,

You are a F ucking piece of shit. You have surpased Quackzilla in the qualty of your completely worthless posts. Yeah, you make them sound nice, but worthless shit is worthless shit even if you make it sound intelligent. In fact it's worse.

Best of all is your pompous attitude where you think that eveyrthing you say is right cause you're so smart. I should quote your amusing yet worthless rant to PAD about how smart and capable you are, but I don't want to post more of your ridiculous bullshit.

You are a typical wacko who can do nothing but spin everything to fit your own little ideology and then tries to act like he knows everything. In fact you are such a piece of shit wacko that you can't even post outside of the Vs board without trying to pick a fight like here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58208) . Normal, sane people should know better than to take the shit that happens in here outside into the rest of the site, but you are not one of them.

And your puny threats about putting me on your ignore list are laughable. Do you think I care? Do you think anyone cares? I can totally understand your weakness and lack of self control to have to blank out my posts. After all that is what your radical kind does - Look the other way and hope that all the problems of the world will disappear and not affect them.

Congradulations! You have graduated to the lowest scum of this site and like I did with Quack I will not acknoledge your repugnant existance anymore unless it is to say F uck you bitch.

[Kayden]

...I recommend a nice, bitter glass of lemonade.

Nonsense, turnip juice is for real men.

[alonzomourning23]

Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.

Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:

[Quackzilla]

Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:
Yet there is nothing wrong with anti-abortion terrorists walking around forcing people to look at pictures of aborted fetuses...

[alonzomourning23]

Yet there is nothing wrong with anti-abortion terrorists walking around forcing people to look at pictures of aborted fetuses...

For some reason that never bothered me that much, probably because one is actually a real, developed person, and one isn't. I saw the abortion mobile (or whatever it's called, it's a giant truck with pics of aborted fetuses on it's side) driving around boston during the DNC. Took a picture of it, but didn't look at it for more than I had to (I had heard about it, so that's why it was worth a picture to me) though. It was just disgusting, not disturbing though.

Either way, I don't see the point, since I'm not saying one is okay while the other isn't.

[Quackzilla]

Conservatives try and censor the war, they prevent most dead bodies from being shown on TV.

Yet they applaud anti-abortion terrorits for "showing people the ugly truth".

Just an observtion I made.

[E-Z-B]

Next time there's an abortion rally, I wish someone would stand up and hold those photos up of the Iraq War next to them. After all, it's all about saving lives.

Those photos, while disturbing, only reinforce my belief that the neocons have betrayed this country, and that I won't rest until they are all either in jail or disgraced.

[Scrubking]

Those photos, while disturbing, only reinforce my belief that the neocons have betrayed this country, and that I won't rest until they are all either in jail or disgraced.

Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:

[Quackzilla]

Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:
Because destroying a country (full of civilians) that guerillas are hiding (dispersing them into many other countries) in is so much better than using intelligence services and counterterrorism units like the MI5 and the SAS.

[camoor]

Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:

If an American soldier had to witness this first-hand (not to mention the poor man whose daughter was taken away), then I can handle seeing the picture on the internet from the comfort of my house.

Why must the discussion be censored to fall in line with your delicate sense of taste? Oh I forgot, alonzo the milktoast liberal moderate always knows better then everyone else.

[E-Z-B]

Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:

How was Saddam tied with terrorism again? Bush dropped the ball - instead of fighting terrorism, he went after Iraq. Whatever happened with Osama? oh yeah, he's "not really concerned about him".

[mykevermin]

Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:

Which liberals are you talking about? How about these (http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/06/tell_president.php) liberals?

You're nothing but a disgrace to yourself if you can't even answer us why you aren't fighting in Iraq.

[Scrubking]

How was Saddam tied with terrorism again? Bush dropped the ball - instead of fighting terrorism, he went after Iraq. Whatever happened with Osama? oh yeah, he's "not really concerned about him".

How stupid can you be?

We ARE looking for Osama, but the wonderful news doesn't care about that. The other day some of our troops looking for him got killed, but it took them gettng killed for them to make the news.

And even though it's been explained a million times you people continue to ignore it. Bush could come to your house spend a week explaining about the different aspects of fighting terrorism like starting a democracy in the middle east, fighting them in their turf to minimize innocents over here, but after he left you would come on here and still say that we aren't fighting terrorism.

You people's twisted idea of fighting terrorism is staying at home and surrounding our country with the navy and hoping to God we don't get nuked. And if that doesn't work we pull down our pants and let the terrorists have their way.

[Quackzilla]

Which is why lead paint and high voltage power lines in residential areas are bad.

[alonzomourning23]

If an American soldier had to witness this first-hand (not to mention the poor man whose daughter was taken away), then I can handle seeing the picture on the internet from the comfort of my house.

Why must the discussion be censored to fall in line with your delicate sense of taste? Oh I forgot, alonzo the milktoast liberal moderate always knows better then everyone else.

Hey, what's with all these passive aggressive attacks ;) .

I think objecting to an image, without warning, of a little girl in tatters is objectionable to more than just people with a "delicate sense of taste". The whole "no warning" thing is my issue.

[camoor]

Hey, what's with all these passive aggressive attacks ;) .

I think objecting to an image, without warning, of a little girl in tatters is objectionable to more than just people with a "delicate sense of taste". The whole "no warning" thing is my issue.

I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.

[Kayden]

I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.

Censorship and avoidance aren't the same thing. I'm not denying the fact little girls are being killed by bombs, nor am I saying we should hide it. I'd just prefer a bit of decency and not be slapped with such a disturbing picture without warning.

[alonzomourning23]

I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.

Since when did warning become censorship? They put warning before disturbing images are shown on tv, or violent of sex filled movies are shown, do you oppose this?

Besides, there's a fine line between showing reality and using dead people as political tools. Flashing images of dead people without warning, reasoning that this will make more people agree with you, crosses that line. It's the same as what anti abortion opponents do with those massive aborted fetus pictures.

[camoor]

Besides, there's a fine line between showing reality and using dead people as political tools.

You should watch a foreign newscast sometimes, they don't edit out the blood and make Iraq a videogame war. In an amazing coincidence, people of other nations don't share the jingoistic fevor of half of the USA.

A warning is the equivelent of the AO rating on videogames, the image gets placed on a back website where only those inclined to keep an open mind will see it. I don't mind a little shock treatment for the American who thinks patriotism consists of nothing more then voting for chickenhawks and putting yellow stickers on the back of thier SUV.

[alonzomourning23]

You should watch a foreign newscast sometimes, they don't edit out the blood and make Iraq a videogame war. In an amazing coincidence, people of other nations don't share the jingoistic fevor of half of the USA.

A warning is the equivelent of the AO rating on videogames, the image gets placed on a back website where only those inclined to keep an open mind will see it. I don't mind a little shock treatment for the American who thinks patriotism consists of nothing more then voting for chickenhawks and putting yellow stickers on the back of thier SUV.

Where you get the idea that I haven't or don't watch foreign news or that I'm unfamiliar with such things is beyond me.

But your argument is extremely simplistic. You trace the entire differences of public opinion simply to how much violence is shown on the news.

[Sarang01]

Better their kids than ours.

You are one sick fuck.

Also I am so damn sick of you ASSHOLES judging my fucking ideology and calling me treasonous and traitorous. I'd believe in respecting you or maybe your ideology a bit more if you didn't try to attack us and totally discredit our beliefs system. I BELIEVE in the ACLU. Regardless of what YOU may think they'll defend anyone's Free Speech as much as it might be distasteful to you and me when they defend the KKK. Ya'll call on Liberal Media bias, well the ACLU is the one of the most if not THE most fair and balanced organization that has existed, at least in intent.

[camoor]

But your argument is extremely simplistic. You trace the entire differences of public opinion simply to how much violence is shown on the news.

Nope I said it was an "amazing coincidence". ;)

I'm sure there are also other reasons, I suspect that the poor public education system in the mid-west/south also has an influence.

[Abdullah2]

if anyone is interested in what islam should be, and why is there corruption and terrorism, this site answers alot of these questions imho:
www.submission.org

in short the people who do these attacks have their influence from mad-made books and not the quran