An excellent Muslim piece.

[kittie]

The lipstick lesbian daring to confront radical imams
Irshad Manji has already been dubbed ‘Osama’s worst nightmare’ for her criticisms of Islam. Now she wants Britain’s Muslims to stand more firmly on the side of freedom

No wonder Irshad Manji has received death threats since appearing on British television: she is a lipstick lesbian, a Muslim and scourge of Islamic leaders, whom she accuses of making excuses about the terror attacks on London. Oh, and she tells ordinary Muslims to “crawl out of their narcissistic shell”. Ouch.

Manji is a glamorous Canadian television presenter whose book, The Trouble with Islam, has made her so famous in America that she won something called the Oprah Winfrey Chutzpah award. Even at a conference in Oxford last week she felt unsafe — despite extra security — with police sifting through “disgusting e-mails” and threats after her appearance on Newsnight.

Doesn’t the violent Muslim minority show Islam is flawed? “I ask myself the same question,” she grimaces. Far from regarding Muslims as oppressed they have a “supremacy complex — and that’s dangerous”. This, she contends, is true even among moderates. “Literalists” who consider the Koran the “perfect manifesto of God” have taken over the mainstream; and far from misreading Islam, as Tony Blair and the Muslim Council of Britain insist, terrorists can find encouragement for murder in the Koran.

The underlying problem with Islam, observes Manji, is that far from spiritualising Arabia, it has been infected with the reactionary prejudices of the Middle East: “Colonialism is not the preserve of people with pink skin. What about Islamic imperialism? Eighty per cent of Muslims live outside the Arab world yet all Muslims must bow to Mecca.” Fresh thinking, she contends, is suppressed by ignorant imams; you can see why she has been dubbed “Osama’s worst nightmare ”.

“The good news,” she insists, “is it doesn’t have to be like this.” She wants a reformation in Islam, returning it to its clever, fun-loving roots. “The world’s first ‘feminist’ was an 11th-century Muslim man. Baghdad had one of the first universities in the 9th century; the Spanish ‘Ole!’ comes from ‘Allah’; Islam even gave us the guitar.”

But now it gives us the suicide bomber: why? She does not rule out alienation and all those Muslims-as-victims explanations, but thinks the Muslim Council of Britain is negligent for “not even acknowledging religion might also have played a role”. Richard Chartres, the Bishop of London, said terrorists could not be Muslims but Manji hits back: “The jury is out on what Islam is.”

The dispute centres on whether the Koran justifies suicide bombers. Manji argues terrorists can find succour in the holy book: “It says anyone who kills a human being, except as punishment for murder or villainy in the land, shall be regarded as killing all mankind.” The caveat is crucial; Bin Laden invoked it when America imposed sanctions against Saddam, so after the war in Iraq “four young men could decide to punish British taxpayers for re-electing a government that went to war there” — endorsed by the Koran.

But could religion be an excuse? Might the gang of four have just been nihilist punks who, if raised in different cultures, might otherwise have railed against life through, say, hip-hop? “A hip-hopper will still wake up in the morning. That doesn’t explain a willingness to take your own life.” To do that you need belief in an afterlife, which means these men must have been devoutly religious. Waiting to be rewarded, I suggest, with their 72 virgins.

But Manji says recent research shows all that virgin stuff was based on an erroneous translation of the Koran: what awaits in heaven are 72 raisins. What? Could 54 people really have been blown up for a bag of raisins? “Well in 7th century Arabia raisins were so exalted as to be promoted to paradise.”

Our 7/7 was especially hard to take, being committed by those brought up here; America’s 9/11 was by outsiders. Is America better at integrating Muslims? I fill Manji in on our botched attempt at citizenship ceremonies that, far from inculcating British patriotism in newcomers, taught them how to work the benefit system. “Boy, it’s sexy being British these days,” she laughs.

“In continental Europe people of faith are regarded as second-class citizens. In America Muslims are allowed to earn their status by competing. In Europe, Britain included, your past establishes your identity much more than your future. If you don’t have the lineage here people might well feel disaffected.” She points out that American mosques display signs proclaiming: “God bless America”; inconceivable here.

If we are at fault for not encouraging Muslims, they fail to “celebrate the precious gift” of British freedom: “Why do they protest against France for making it illegal to wear hijabs, but not against Saudi Arabia for making it illegal not to wear them?”; more Muslims, she contends, have been killed in recent years by fellow Muslims than by westerners.

Manji thinks Muslims should take tolerant parts of the Koran and ignore the hellfire. Does this, I ask, include Koranic references to “lewd acts” of homosexuality? She offers counter examples of its tolerance but they seem faintly absurd — should it matter what a bunch of people over a millennium ago made of homosexuality, or indeed anything else? She, not unlike the fundamentalists, picks and chooses the bits that suit her.

The state has a dilemma: to encourage moderate Islam — absurdities and all — or shirk from interfering, which will let extremists blossom. Isn’t a key problem of Islam that it has no structure? Any Church of England vicar calling for a jihad would receive a pretty sharp summons to Lambeth palace; imams are autonomous. “Yes, decentralisation would be good if it encouraged people to debate. But instead people just cower to their local imam.”

She excuses Blair glossing over violent aspects of Islam as “he is only trying to divert a backlash against Muslims, bless him” but she despises the Muslim Council for not coming clean. “Even if Muslims are only interested in slick PR, it would be a great move to recognise the problem; it would spread trust. And I am not asking them to do anything Jews and Christians haven’t done.”

Britain, she says, has been slow to introduce tests for imams on their mastery of the Koran. She recalls asking Mohamed al-Hindi, political leader of Islamic Jihad, where the Koran glorifies martyrdom; he insisted it was there, but even after looking up books and phoning colleagues, he couldn’t find one reference.

“His translator suggested I better go if I wanted to leave alive,” she recalls. “I asked why he had even given an interview, and the translator said, ‘Oh, he assumed you would be just another dumb westerner’.”

Muslims, adds Manji, must find positive role models rather than jihadists: “Martyrs are the rock stars of the Muslim world, shown on the internet against a background of funky music. They feed on the self-esteem crisis of young Muslims.” That could be addressed by history lessons paying greater tribute to the Muslim contribution to the Renaissance.

She denounces terrorism and the response to terrorism, which is not sufficiently robust. It is no good, she argues, for respectable Muslims to say “violence is not the Islamic ideal” if violence has become Islamic practice. And she attacks the proposed religious hatred laws, saying: “Society needs people who offend, otherwise there will be no progress.”

Indeed. But can Manji and her followers provoke Muslims into progress?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1696968,00.html

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Isn't Manji old news? She was on Bill Maher back in ... March?

[zionoverfire]

Isn't Manji old news? She was on Bill Maher back in ... March?

:-$ This is the part where kitty tries to show worldy knowledge in order to gain our affection.

[Quackzilla]

kittie is actually a man, and admitted he likes anal sex better.

[Sarang01]

kittie is actually a man, and admitted he likes anal sex better.

WTF do your posts come from?

[alonzomourning23]

WTF do your posts come from?

There was a whole thing in one of the off topics about this. Kittie is lina, which may better explain the situation.

[Quackzilla]

WTF do your posts come from?
In the "what item you would bring on a trip" or whatever topic, the conversation degenerated then someone posted astroglide and kittie said anal feels better.

And only men can get pleasure from anal because the anus is not a sex organ.

[zionoverfire]

And only men can get pleasure from anal because the anus is not a sex organ.

Women can get plesaure for the ACT of anal sex though, not that I'm getting into the whole lina he/she argument.

[Quackzilla]

kittie/lina is a gay man-whore.

[zionoverfire]

kittie/lina is a gay man-whore.

Quite possibly, but we have other openly gay posters here and for the most part we respect their choice, or at least we don't scream you're a gay man-whore in their face every 5 seconds.

[Sarang01]

David seems pretty cool to me although I don't completely agree with his politics. I think he's been too nice with Bush on the issue of Iraq and I have to ask if Republicans weren't so intolerant of gay men would you be a Log Cabin Republican, David?

[MrBadExample]

And only men can get pleasure from anal because the anus is not a sex organ.
What exactly are they teaching in Boy Scouts these days? :lol:

[Quackzilla]

What exactly are they teaching in Boy Scouts these days? :lol:
I didn't learn that in Boy Scouts, it was during "extra credit anatomy homework" with my "study partner".



She was hot...

[mykevermin]

Kittie is lina

Proof? I see kittie's posts in the wrestling thread, which, if I recall, lina did also. That doesn't mean anything though, since I'm only partially aware of the lina controversy.

Although I disagree with Manji's approach (criticize the muslim religion by overgeneralizing Muslims as terrorist lovers), it's pleasing to see that kittie seems to want to allow Islam to exist as a religion, which places them on a pedestal far above PAD's extremism.

[alonzomourning23]

Proof? I see kittie's posts in the wrestling thread, which, if I recall, lina did also. That doesn't mean anything though, since I'm only partially aware of the lina controversy.


Good Lord...

I AM LINA.

Ban me if you want, I had fun in the arcade, but it doesn't look any more games will be added. :(

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1145336#post1145336 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1145336#post1145336)

[mykevermin]

danke schoen.

[kittie]

What the fuck happened to this thread?

[Quackzilla]

What the fuck happened to this thread?
Your appetite for hotdogs.

[JSweeney]

Your appetite for hotdogs.

A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obidient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and
Reverant.

I would think an Eagle Scout would remember something so basic as the 12 points of the Scout Law.

It wouldn't be difficult to see where that statement flies in the face of a couple of those points.

[Quackzilla]

This is the bloody internet, on a stupid politics message board.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Let's see how these traits refer to Quackzilla's online personality. Just for fun of course.

Trustworthy- Absolutely, he's completely trustworthy to make an ass out himself.
Loyal- Absolutely, he'll toe the most bogus of talking points and haul water for any lib position.
Helpful- Well, to whom? Or what?
Friendly- :rofl: Yep.... fits him to a T.
Courteous- Never.
Kind- Never.
Obidient- To Howard Dean, maybe.
Cheerful- He's the angriest poster I know.
Thrifty- Absolutely, this is CAG! Have to give him that one.
Brave- Eh, hard to say, it's online. I think he'd go out on a limb for a drowning scout so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Clean- Don't we all have the image of one another as sitting around in our underwear and T-shirts, unshaven and unshowered for days on end looking for $9.99 games and penny guides?
and
Reverant- reverent adj 1: feeling or showing profound respect or veneration; "maintained a reverent silence" [ant: irreverent] 2: showing great reverence for God; "a godly man"; "leading a godly life" Without sounding too callous I can't picture Quackzilla having any kind of reverence for God or having any place for religion in his life.

[JSweeney]

This is the bloody internet, on a stupid politics message board.

And?

Does that in any way change the way which one should behave?
I realize that the psuedoanonymous nature of such boards often leads to such marked changes in behavior, which people sometimes playacting as if they are something they aren't (females pretending to be male, male pretending to be female, etc), but are manners, decorum and other such concepts just thrown out because you aren't face to face with the person?

[Quackzilla]

And?

Does that in any way change the way which one should behave?
I realize that the psuedoanonymous nature of such boards often leads to such marked changes in behavior, which people sometimes playacting as if they are something they aren't (females pretending to be male, male pretending to be female, etc), but are manners, decorum and other such concepts just thrown out because you aren't face to face with the person?
Yes.

:lol:

[E-Z-B]

I have yet to meet a Republican on these boards who adhere to the "moral values" that they so claim to characterize.

[Mookyjooky]

And only men can get pleasure from anal because the anus is not a sex organ.


I've heard that some studies show that a woman's G-spot is pushed so far back from the vaginal area that a hit from the Anal region causes some women to experience an orgasm better from the back. I'm at work, so I'm not gonna back this up right now... but I'm pretty sure that it was a medical journal that said it.

Also, she's supposidly Catholic... I've dated Catholics that only do anal until wedding day. Which I have no problem with at all.

[kittie]

Ugh, women get a sensation from anal sex as well.

And I know not to create serious threads anymore. Thanks.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I have yet to meet a Republican on these boards who adhere to the "moral values" that they so claim to characterize.

I don't drink, quit smoking a year and a half going on two years ago, I've been monogomous in my last 3 dating relationships, don't cheat on my taxes, don't do drugs and don't gamble.

What more would you like?

[JSweeney]

I don't drink, quit smoking a year and a half going on two years ago, I've been monogomous in my last 3 dating relationships, don't cheat on my taxes, don't do drugs and don't gamble.

What more would you like?

Tolerance, compassion, and perhaps a little more tact?

[Quackzilla]

Sure, and I'm the King of Jupiter.

You word means nothing on a message board, describing your character to try and take a moral high ground is pointless.

[Mookyjooky]

Ugh, women get a sensation from anal sex as well.

And I know not to create serious threads anymore. Thanks.

Just relax, it all comes full circle... you're taking you're hits from being Lina... and in time people will get a life and stop making you their mortal enemy.

Threads always go off-topic, and come back... you've been here long enough to know that.

If you let them get under your skin, you'll never get them out.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I'm the King of Jupiter.


Earlier you claimed to be King of England.

Do you suffer from megalomania?

[E-Z-B]

I don't drink, quit smoking a year and a half going on two years ago, I've been monogomous in my last 3 dating relationships, don't cheat on my taxes, don't do drugs and don't gamble.

What more would you like?

Fact: You support war, genocide, and torture. You support helping the homeless and poor so long as it doesn't cost you, the taxpayer, anything.

Assumption: You're having sex before marriage.

Sounds like you have some moral deficiencies.

[MrBadExample]

I've heard that some studies show that a woman's G-spot is pushed so far back from the vaginal area that a hit from the Anal region causes some women to experience an orgasm better from the back. I'm at work, so I'm not gonna back this up right now... but I'm pretty sure that it was a medical journal that said it.
Anyone else find the highlighted portion as funny as I did?

[JSweeney]

Anyone else find the highlighted portion as funny as I did?

Yes. But with that said, I can understand exactly why... a search to find the journals will obviously turn up some highly NSFW stuff.

[Mookyjooky]

Anyone else find the highlighted portion as funny as I did?

Being from Martinsville I can imagine why... its a way of life over there. Push the sheep to the water and they push back right?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Tolerance, compassion, and perhaps a little more tact?

Tolerance for what? Terrorism? Sin?

Compassion for what? Terrorism? Sin?

Tact is not a moral value.

Fact: You support war, genocide, and torture. You support helping the homeless and poor so long as it doesn't cost you, the taxpayer, anything.

Assumption: You're having sex before marriage.

Sounds like you have some moral deficiencies.

Yes, I support a war on those that would kill us and destroy our country if given the chance. I have never advocated genocide but have advocated an overwhelming response to a nuclear attack on our soil. I have never supported torture.

When have we EVER had a debate on helping the homeless or poor? There's no way you know my position on those issues as we never discuss them.

This entire board is based on current events, no one ever talks political of social philosphies. Don't blame me that you're ignorant on my views.

[onetrackmind]

I've heard that some studies show that a woman's G-spot is pushed so far back from the vaginal area that a hit from the Anal region causes some women to experience an orgasm better from the back. I'm at work, so I'm not gonna back this up right now... but I'm pretty sure that it was a medical journal that said it.

Also, she's supposidly Catholic... I've dated Catholics that only do anal until wedding day. Which I have no problem with at all.

:rofl: a perfect example of why mooky is one of my favorite posters on cag

[MrBadExample]

Being from Martinsville I can imagine why... its a way of life over there. Push the sheep to the water and they push back right?
Hey, don't rag on Martinsville. We got us a NASCAR track! :roll:

[judyjudyjudy]

I've heard that some studies show that a woman's G-spot is pushed so far back from the vaginal area that a hit from the Anal region causes some women to experience an orgasm better from the back.
Huh? I hate to get into this discussion, but that statement makes no sense to me. How can the G-spot be "pushed so far back" for it to be felt, uh, back there?

[MrBadExample]

Yes, I support a war on those that would kill us and destroy our country if given the chance.
So you would support a war on the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11 but not the Iraqis who didn't... Good to know.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Huh? I hate to get into this discussion, but that statement makes no sense to me. How can the G-spot be "pushed so far back" for it to be felt, uh, back there?

Yeah ... that doesn't make much sense.

[Mookyjooky]

Huh? I hate to get into this discussion, but that statement makes no sense to me. How can the G-spot be "pushed so far back" for it to be felt, uh, back there?

Not really pushed, literally... just that it formed back from the vaginal area.

Seriously, I've seen chicks cum so hard they were shaking like an epileptic after climax. I call it "seizure sex"... (dont use that, its trademarked ;-) )

Sorry to get graphic, but you asked.

I know its a half-dollar sized swell on the top, but some women grow it further up, and some ( I think 4%) grow it mutated in the back. Where the penis cant arouse it. I've dated a girl who couldnt cum without anal... and my current has it towards the top... which is a pain in the ass.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

So you would support a war on the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11 but not the Iraqis who didn't... Good to know.

Were they state sponsored? No. The Saudi government did not support or fund those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

It's also pretty hard to declare war on 19 people that you know..... died.

[mykevermin]

I have never advocated genocide but have advocated an overwhelming response to a nuclear attack on our soil.

That's the biggest fucking lie you've ever told. I'll be back in a few hours, so perhaps someone will cite your overgeneralized hatred by then. If not, I'll take care of that.

[judyjudyjudy]

Not really pushed, literally... just that it formed back from the vaginal area.

Seriously, I've seen chicks cum so hard they were shaking like an epileptic after climax. I call it "seizure sex"... (dont use that, its trademarked ;-) )

Sorry to get graphic, but you asked.

I know its a half-dollar sized swell on the top, but some women grow it further up, and some ( I think 4%) grow it mutated in the back. Where the penis cant arouse it. I've dated a girl who couldnt cum without anal... and my current has it towards the top... which is a pain in the ass.
If it was further up, wouldn't there be a uterus in between the g-spot and anal cavity?

[MrBadExample]

Were they state sponsored? No. The Saudi government did not support or fund those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

It's also pretty hard to declare war on 19 people that you know..... died.
You'll wash the Saudis hands of this but you think Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11? We should have finished the war on al Qaida (and the Taliban hiding them) instead of taking out Saddam.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

That's the biggest fucking lie you've ever told. I'll be back in a few hours, so perhaps someone will cite your overgeneralized hatred by then. If not, I'll take care of that.

Distrust of a religion is not a call for genocide. Posting distasteful facts, note that word facts, about adherents and prostelytizers of Islam is not a call for genocide. Dislike of a religion or even overt hatred is not a call for genocide.

Cry me a river.

[MrBadExample]

Huh? I hate to get into this discussion, but that statement makes no sense to me. How can the G-spot be "pushed so far back" for it to be felt, uh, back there?
I was expecting the "Bend over and I'll show you" response.

[Mookyjooky]

If it was further up, wouldn't there be a uterus in between the g-spot and anal cavity?

I dont really care about the technicality about it all, you do what works for you and go with it.

(I think you're a chick) - Get some Maximus (http://www.blowfish.com/s/r?p=s-bdy-1025) and roll with the punches... it may be for you.

Most of the stuff surrounding anal is that its painful and messy... thats pretty much myth. As long as he doesnt double dip, you dont have to worry about an infection.

Try it out and see for yourself. I'm at work and I cant get too technical without consulting a website on it. Which I wont.

[JSweeney]

Tolerance for what?
Terrorism? Sin?

Those who's opinions differ from yours.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
Matthew 7-1



Compassion for what?
Terrorism? Sin?

For all.

"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' 40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

Matthew 25-31



Tact is not a moral value.

But it is key to anyone wishing to have a meaningful, valid conversation rather than a shouting match.

[judyjudyjudy]

I dont really care about the technicality about it all, you do what works for you and go with it.

(I think you're a chick) - Get some Maximus (http://www.blowfish.com/s/r?p=s-bdy-1025) and roll with the punches... it may be for you.

Most of the stuff surrounding anal is that its painful and messy... thats pretty much myth. As long as he doesnt double dip, you dont have to worry about an infection.

Try it out and see for yourself. I'm at work and I cant get too technical without consulting a website on it. Which I wont.
Okay, well, when you get the link, feel free to post it. I was seriously curious.

Edited to add: Maybe I should clarify what I don't get... since it sounds like you think what I don't get is how something like that would feel good or something? I just don't get how anal penetration could ever help with g-spot stimulation, since it's located on the front vaginal wall.

[MrBadExample]

Distrust of a religion is not a call for genocide. Posting distasteful facts, note that word facts, about adherents and prostelytizers of Islam is not a call for genocide. Dislike of a religion or even overt hatred is not a call for genocide.

Cry me a river.
You're being a tad disingenuous.

In the interim you can always bet that I'm of the school of thought that the more we can introduce to Allah the better off we all are.

link (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59625&page=3&pp=20)

[Mookyjooky]

Tolerance for what?
Terrorism? Sin?

Those who's opinions differ from yours.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
Matthew 7-1



Compassion for what?
Terrorism? Sin?

For all.

"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' 40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

Matthew 25-31



Tact is not a moral value.

But it is key to anyone wishing to have a meaningful, valid conversation rather than a shouting match.

Damn, and I'm still talking about anal... at least someones on topic. I should open a "Do it Mook-style" sex thread.

[E-Z-B]

Yes, I support a war on those that would kill us and destroy our country if given the chance. I have never advocated genocide but have advocated an overwhelming response to a nuclear attack on our soil. I have never supported torture.

So the question is, WWJK? (Who would Jesus Kill)

You want genocide of muslims. I think that's pretty obvious by now.

This post sounds like you support torture: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1009583&highlight=ghraib#post1009583

When have we EVER had a debate on helping the homeless or poor? There's no way you know my position on those issues as we never discuss them.


Wrong again. Try looking here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=183645&highlight=homeless#post183645

[kittie]

I hope I can delete this.

Edit: Nope. Sigh.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Wrong again. Try looking here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=183645&highlight=homeless#post183645

Wrong, as usual. Not a discussion about helping the poor or homeless but a discussion about tax policy in general.

You gave it the old college try though gosh darnit!

[mykevermin]

Distrust of a religion is not a call for genocide. Posting distasteful facts, note that word facts, about adherents and prostelytizers of Islam is not a call for genocide. Dislike of a religion or even overt hatred is not a call for genocide.

Cry me a river.

As usual EZB can only get half the story right. Not attacked.... nuked. What do you expect though when he quotes Pakistani news sources as opposed to American news sources.

You're the same kind of liberal that would publish quotes from Izevstia, Pravda and Tass to "prove" how great the USSR was.

DENVER (AP) — A Colorado congressman told a radio show host that the U.S. could "take out" Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons.
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-18-holy-sites_x.htm)

Mecca and Media are both in Saudi Arabia.

Finally someone says what I've been thinking. I love this guy. I'd start destroying holy sites immediately if we were nuked. I'd so enrage these animals that they'd no longer be able to exercise any self control hiding, planning and executing attacks. They'd take to the streets immediately and you'd be able to gun them down like a bunch of rock throwing Palestinian teenagers.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59625

Do you think I give a fuck? Do you really think there aren't 90% of Muslim's enraged with us anyways?

Fry them. Give them the wrath of 2,000 W-80 warheads. God knows we'd just have to dispose of them with another round of treaties with Russia. Better to actually cook off 700 million death worshipers in the process and get our money's worth. They weren't cheap to produce you know!

Labeling people has never stopped you before, why would it bother you now?

Self-defence and retaliation would not make you a monster. If we're nuked by Islamic terrorists the response should be to wipe out ever major metropolitan center in the world with a Muslim majority. You end the threat once and for all.

Their centers for religion, gone. Finance, gone. What passes in their countries for education, medicine, commerce and industry... gone. You leave them with nothing. No way to rebuild a society. No way to rise up again for 5,000 years. You salt the Earth of their lands and starve the survivors to death.

When it's all done you open up the lands to colonialization. I'm sure if we made this deal the Russians would want a warm water port. I'm sure the Indians would want Pakistan back. I'm sure the Chinese would like a large stable supply of oil. You think any of them would care if this were the backroom deal? You think they'd stop and say "Damn America, that's insensitive.". You've just placated the major nuclear powers in the world and Pakistan's warheads are neutralized.

The developed world and the emerging economies would gladly sacrifice this entire religion if the deal I put on the table was ever made.

You just don't understand, that's history. That's the role of conquest in mankind's existence. Just at this point it would be on a much grander scale.


http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59625&page=4&pp=20

There's that. Y'know, since you NEVER admitted that you were wrong when you trumpeted the success of Fox News' ratings, and it turned out that it was only referring to their primetime schedule, you never came back to say "Oops. Okay, I overstretched the results, and I could be wrong about their overall ratings trends." So I don't expect to see you back here, since the quotes above don't lend much credence to that horseshit you said about not advocating genocide. You may say that you prefaced all this with the guise of "nuclear attacks,' but that's horseshit, and don't tell me for a second that you wouldn't love to see every muslim killed right this instant if you had the chance.

Dig?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Why would I want every Muslim killed right now? In every form of warfare since the beginning of time there was a balance of terror. You didn't attack a neighbor out of fear of his retaliation or might. Now, that enemy has no such fear. They don't fear our retaliation as it is half hearted and half b aked.

They know that people like EZB, mykeyvermin and alazomourning are represented by cowards like Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin. They know our opposition leaders are pussies and cowards and hide behind alien things to them like "rights" and "dignity" when they exhibit none to their enemy. Their enemy is you. Despite your well intentions they wish you dead and don't care about your sensitivity. They know we will never tell the the consequences of their actions before hand and the Socialist pacifist left will hamstring us even in the shadow of a nuclear mushroom cloud over their capital.

The retaliation to a nuclear attack must be swift, without warning, without announcement and put an end once and for all to the death cultists known as Muslims. However it must not be pre-emptive. We have signed every treaty known to mankind against first use and I firmly believe in that policy. However if nuclear combat comes to our land the retaliation must be swift, overwhelming and total.

If it renders a religon impotent and kills hundreds of millions so be it. Early and mass admissions to paradise are welcome in preference to seeing another of our cities turned to rubble.

It's very sensitive that you would trade one American city for a trial, indictment or maybe some precision bombing. However that only gives your enemy more time to take down one more city from your inaction.

How many millions would you see dead before you finally say enough? 1 million? 10 million? 50 million? When do you finally see the threat that as long as you continue to ignore it gets stronger, more capable and more deadly? How many need to die?

[Sarang01]

I want PAD against one of these Fanatical Muslims in a fight to the death, hand to hand.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Why fight hand to hand when you can reach out and bake someone with a few thousand W-80 warheads?

The tactical purpose in warfare is to do as much harm to your enemy while exposing yourself to the minimal amount of risk. Hand to hand combat is not desireable in any context. That's why we spend billions on newer, more improved and deadlier weapons.

[Sarang01]

I just would like to see if you could win PAD.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

As always, depends on the opponent. Give me OBL himself and I'd make him assume room temperature inside 30 seconds.

[chakan]

Genocide and anal sex. This thread has been a great read!

[Quillion]

Bumping one of my favorite threads!

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