EGM interviews Miyamoto on Rev (480p standard)

[drumbandit]

Saw this floating around on other forums. I was surprised it wasn't on here yet.

In summary:

- 480p will be standard
- DVD playback is built-in, not an external attachment (but still optional)
- No wired ethernet port, though it’s possible to use Ethernet with an adapter in the USB port
- "the interface we're creating for the Revolution is well suited for Pikmin - I think it would be a good match. " -Miyamoto
- They are considering taking older games online.
- Again, the controller will be able to play conventional style games.


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EGM: Some people are saying Nintendo has given up trying to lead technologically and is focused on innovation.

SM: I don't think the Revolution's (graphics) will be inferior in any fashion to Xbox 360 or PS3. Even if you look at Zelda on GameCube - I don't think that looks inferior to what the competition is touting as "next generation" visuals. But we think there are more important things for now than making the system work with a high-definition television. The majority of people won't be playing our system with an HDTV, (though) with the Revolution, 480p resolution will be standard. We are not making light of graphics and technology - we are trying to make the best-balanced machine that will appeal to the most people.

EGM: Why make the DVD player optional with Revolution? And how will it work - is it an attachment or a remote or what?

SM: The majority of households already own a DVD player or two. We don't want them to spend extra money just to have a console which happens to have DVD capability. And the DVD player isn't going to be an attachment; it’s going to go inside the machine so you won't even (be able to) tell the difference.

EGM: You've promised Wi-Fi for the Revolution but will it also have a standard Ethernet port?

SM: (No, it) doesn't have an Ethernet port. However, through the USB port, it’s possible to have Ethernet with an adapter. Considering where the machine will be placed in the household, we think it would be difficult for people to route the typical Ethernet line to it. Also, We're considering connecting the DS with the Revolution via Wi-Fi.

EGM: Moving on to other games--we know Smash Bros. is coming to the Revolution, but what about DS?

SM: We're thinking about it.

EGM: What about Luigi's Mansion? Is that series over, or will we ever see another?

SM: The director often says, "Make another one! Make another one!" and I want to use Luigi again.

EGM: Any chance we'll see another Pikmin?

SM: Nothings set in stone yet, but the interface we're creating for the Revolution is well suited for Pikmin - I think it would be a good match. Not much I can say other than that.

EGM: Will we ever see anything more of Stage Debut? (a technology demo that allowed players to map their face on in-game characters)?

SM: Yeah, I want to do something with it.

EGM: Speaking of the virtual console, might older offline multiplayer games, like Mario Party, be altered so you could play them online with the Revolution?

SM: We know that we will offer the past games for sure. But we are discussing the possibility of having older games like Mario party playable online. So if our discussion goes well, and if the technical aspects of Revolution also go well, that's possible.

EGM: You've said the Revolution controller will be unique - do you worry about it alienating developers? Say Splinter Cell comes out for all the next-gen systems; might the Revolution controller be so different that it'd be tough to map the controls onto?

SM: Well, of course, the idea is that the Revolution will sell and sell and sell so it becomes the standard in the industry. (Smiles) However, at least for the launch period...we designed the controller so it can play any of the different conventional styles. After all, we are talking about it playing games from our past machines (ie the virtual console). So don't worry.


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Before someone gets confused, 480p is NOT considered high def, it's ED (enhanced definition).

Not much new really, but some nice confirmations and hints.

[Roufuss]

Miyamoto interviews are such crap... he always dodges every question and just hints at a bunch of crap.

Cmon... we all know Smash Brothers is coming to DS and Pikmin is coming to Revolution, Nintendo loves to use it's franchises. And I hate the fact that interviewers waste these questions on him KNOWING he won't give an answer.

[dreamvsps2]

i think the controller will just be another controller.
nothing revolutonary.

[MorPhiend]

Here's the full story:

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0 (http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0)

Scans of the Iwata and Miyamoto interview. And you're missing the highlight. The Revo graphics will not be inferior to the other consoles.

[Roufuss]

Scans of the Iwata and Miyamoto interview. And you're missing the highlight. The Revo graphics will not be inferior to the other consoles.

Of course he's going to say that... no way will Miyamoto come out and say "Well, yes, our graphics will be less than what the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 can do"... that would be tantamount to cutting off his own arm.

[Tromack]

Of course he's going to say that... no way will Miyamoto come out and say "Well, yes, our graphics will be less than what the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 can do"... that would be tantamount to cutting off his own arm.

Do you honestly expect them to be that much worse? I heard all these people bitching about how the Revolution will ONLY be 3 times more powerful than the gamecube. I have yet to see anything for the PS3 or Xbox 360 that looks 1.5 times better than RE4 or the new Zelda, so I really wouldn't be worried on that front.

[jam3582]

Do you honestly expect them to be that much worse? I heard all these people bitching about how the Revolution will ONLY be 3 times more powerful than the gamecube. I have yet to see anything for the PS3 or Xbox 360 that looks 1.5 times better than RE4 or the new Zelda, so I really wouldn't be worried on that front.


actually gears of war does . who cares what games will look like on the rev (save that for later) im more interested what the hell the controller is gonna look like.

[Vinny]

Here's the full story:

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0 (http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0)

Scans of the Iwata and Miyamoto interview. And you're missing the highlight. The Revo graphics will not be inferior to the other consoles.

How can we be sure of what he's saying..? First he says the graphics won't be inferior to the PS3/360 and then he says that LoZ: TP's graphics do not look inferior to the competition's next gen stuff? Yeah... right. LoZ: TP is a beautiful game and all, but from a technological stand point, Gears of War kills it.

I still have a lot of faith in that the Revolution will really be somethiing innovative and fun. But at the same time, I don't see how a simplified controller will lead to such an experience...:-( It'll probably end up having a worthless gyrosensors.

[Scahom1]

I don't know about you guys, but I really want to know what this controller will look like. With all the hype Nintendo has put into it, it could make or break the system (think about the "kiddy" console look the Gamecube was branded)

[MorPhiend]

How can we be sure of what he's saying..? First he says the graphics won't be inferior to the PS3/360 and then he says that LoZ: TP's graphics do not look inferior to the competition's next gen stuff? Yeah... right. LoZ: TP is a beautiful game and all, but from a technological stand point, Gears of War kills it.

I still have a lot of faith in that the Revolution will really be somethiing innovative and fun. But at the same time, I don't see how a simplified controller will lead to such an experience...:-( It'll probably end up having a worthless gyrosensors.

You also have to realize, Miyamoto doesn't get out much. But also, most of what was shown at e3 was prerendered on both consoles. And what wasn't didn't look mind blowingly hot. Like Tromack said, Gears of War looks pretty nice. But I'm still waiting for a game that looks 30x (or 30jazillionx, whatever it was) better than the Xbox.:roll:

[Vinny]

You also have to realize, Miyamoto doesn't get out much. But also, most of what was shown at e3 was prerendered on both consoles. And what wasn't didn't look mind blowingly hot. Like Tromack said, Gears of War looks pretty nice. But I'm still waiting for a game that looks 30x (or 30jazillionx, whatever it was) better than the Xbox.:roll:

Most of the 360 stuff was running off of half assed def kits but still look good. At first, I wasn't too impressed by the 360 stuff as there wasn't much of a jump in graphical quality.

The difference between the best looking N64/PS1 and the first wave of PS2/XB/GC software is easily noticable. The difference between the best looking PS2/XB/GC software and early 360 stuff isn't quite so noticable.

But where the quality may not have improved so much, the quantity has. Perfect Dark Zero can support 50+ players online and has maps that actually adjust in size depending on how many people are playing. No current gen system can do that. And physics and AI will be more important this time around, more so than the already stunning graphics.

[MorPhiend]

Most of the 360 stuff was running off of half assed def kits but still look good. At first, I wasn't too impressed by the 360 stuff as there wasn't much of a jump in graphical quality.

The difference between the best looking N64/PS1 and the first wave of PS2/XB/GC software is easily noticable. The difference between the best looking PS2/XB/GC software and early 360 stuff isn't quite so noticable.

But where the quality may not have improved so much, the quantity has. Perfect Dark Zero can support 50+ players online and has maps that actually adjust in size depending on how many people are playing. No current gen system can do that. And physics and AI will be more important this time around, more so than the already stunning graphics.

Bingo! And that type of thinking has been part of Nintendo's problem with the next generation all along. Everyone else is talking about graphical powerhouses. Nintendo knows they can stand up to the others in that respect, and therefore think it dumb and pointless to play that card. They want innovation. But the media (and many fans) can't see it that way. It is just "Nintendo sucks!!!" And that gets pretty lame real fast.

[GizmoGC]

This quote throws me off...
"Considering where the machine will be placed in the household, we think it would be difficult for people to route the typical Ethernet line to it"

WTF does that mean? Typical to me means like the current Xbox/PS2 way...so what is Nintendo thinking?

[tinman_licks]

This quote throws me off...
"Considering where the machine will be placed in the household, we think it would be difficult for people to route the typical Ethernet line to it"

WTF does that mean? Typical to me means like the current Xbox/PS2 way...so what is Nintendo thinking?


I believe the Revolution will be a wireless console. No cables coming out from the back to connect to the TV; everything done over Wi-Fi. The console will probably sit near the coffee table, far away from the TV. Why else would there be no ethernet port? You have to consider that to be next step after wireless controllers.

[Vinny]

Bingo! And that type of thinking has been part of Nintendo's problem with the next generation all along. Everyone else is talking about graphical powerhouses. Nintendo knows they can stand up to the others in that respect, and therefore think it dumb and pointless to play that card. They want innovation. But the media (and many fans) can't see it that way. It is just "Nintendo sucks!!!" And that gets pretty lame real fast.

I really hope Nintendo does innovate because at this point, that's all anybody has to go on. They've downplayed everything else but haven't shown us a single bit of what makes their system way better than the competitor's.

I have a feeling that I'll get the Rev just for the Nintendo games since I grew up with them. But if they continue to lose ground, they'll be forced out of the business.

[GreenMonkey]

Glad to see that 480p will be standard. If they left it 480i only like the newer-released Gamecubes, I was going to pass. At this point I expect them to be cheaper than the PS3 by a great deal - looking forward to playing only a Revolution for a few years - I've got enough backlogged RPGs on the PS2 to tide me over for a while. :D

[Vinny]

480P is worthless, IMO. It's HD but the different between 480i and 480p is not even worth that noticeable.

[Tromack]

I believe the Revolution will be a wireless console. No cables coming out from the back to connect to the TV; everything done over Wi-Fi. The console will probably sit near the coffee table, far away from the TV. Why else would there be no ethernet port? You have to consider that to be next step after wireless controllers.

Um...how does it get power? Beam it with microwaves? Lasers? Magic?

[Dr Mario Kart]

Um...how does it get power? Beam it with microwaves? Lasers? Magic?

Magic

[Tromack]

Magic

AWESOME!!!!

[jam3582]

480P is worthless, IMO. It's HD but the different between 480i and 480p is not even worth that noticeable.

um I hope you kidding right you must not have an HD set and have the gamecube connected with component cables . there is a difference. Oh and 480P isnt HD just like the OP said its ED = enhanced definition. Trust me the fact that they will support 480p is just fine with me Id prefer them to support all the resolutions but if they dont wanna then they dont have to :booty: .

[Quackzilla]

And the DVD player isn't going to be an attachment; it’s going to go inside the machine so you won't even (be able to) tell the difference.

I want whatever he was smoking during that whole interview.

[b0bx13]

Magic
Dear Sony and Microsoft:
FU. Up the magic factor, or I'm out.

[vherub]

Nin might very well be on the cusp of making some terrible decisions, but the mysts surrounding the rev certainly are more interesting than the xbox360 and far more interesting than the ps3.

the chicken/egg dilemma of 3rd party support/perception of support, which was really the dagger to the cube, still seems far from resolved.

So is it still a revolution if no one shows up?

[GreenMonkey]

480P is worthless, IMO. It's HD but the different between 480i and 480p is not even worth that noticeable


Not on my display!! Maybe you have a smaller HDTV. I've got an 800x600 DLP projector running at 100" or so, and 480p is worlds better than 480i.

[jkam]

Nin might very well be on the cusp of making some terrible decisions, but the mysts surrounding the rev certainly are more interesting than the xbox360 and far more interesting than the ps3.

the chicken/egg dilemma of 3rd party support/perception of support, which was really the dagger to the cube, still seems far from resolved.

So is it still a revolution if no one shows up?

I think it will be slow going at first but I think Nintendo has some really good things going to entice 3rd parties this generation:

Easier development of games compared to the XBOX 360 + PS3
(Less cost to them means more profit for them)
Sell old school games (NES, SNES, N64) with no new costs
Disc based media (Lower cost than cartridges)
Online (3rd parties can charge a fee if they want to)

It is obviously too early to tell but I think they will do well this generation. It is definitely going to be interesting.

[evilmax17]

Disc based media (Lower cost than cartridges)
This is something that I hadn't even thought of. It's going to cost significantly more to produce Blu-Ray discs than standard DVDs, and I wonder if this will have any impact on the PS3.

Blu-Ray has its advantages, namely its storage capacity. But let us not forget that cartridges had their advantages also, with zero load times and durability, yet they failed due in part to their cost.

Could we be seeing a repeat scenario?

[flizmo007]

I got to thinking about the Optimus keyboard ( http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ )from another post and any other applications that this technology can be used for and thought of one, Nintendo Revolution. Anyone think this may be something Nintendo will be using on their new controller? Maybe a series of buttons on the controller and only the ones used for the particular game light up... When playing NES games for instance, the 2 gameplay buttons light up red to look like the NES contoller buttons. Or a game like Pikmin, which Myamoto just said would be perfect for the Revolution controller interface... Maybe the buttons light up to match the color of the Pikmin on screen. You can then select your Pikmin by using their given button on the controller... Remember all the talk of a screen on the controller? Maybe... OK, maybe not, but just a thought...

[elwood731]

I got to thinking about the Optimus keyboard ( http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ )from another post and any other applications that this technology can be used for and thought of one, Nintendo Revolution. Anyone think this may be something Nintendo will be using on their new controller? Maybe a series of buttons on the controller and only the ones used for the particular game light up... When playing NES games for instance, the 2 gameplay buttons light up red to look like the NES contoller buttons. Or a game like Pikmin, which Myamoto just said would be perfect for the Revolution controller interface... Maybe the buttons light up to match the color of the Pikmin on screen. You can then select your Pikmin by using their given button on the controller... Remember all the talk of a screen on the controller? Maybe... OK, maybe not, but just a thought...
Actually, this is not a bad thought. It could work something like this. The rumor was just a large LCD panel where each game would have tailored controls that appeared when you started it up. We shall see.

[jam3582]

I got to thinking about the Optimus keyboard ( http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ )from another post and any other applications that this technology can be used for and thought of one, Nintendo Revolution. Anyone think this may be something Nintendo will be using on their new controller? Maybe a series of buttons on the controller and only the ones used for the particular game light up... When playing NES games for instance, the 2 gameplay buttons light up red to look like the NES contoller buttons. Or a game like Pikmin, which Myamoto just said would be perfect for the Revolution controller interface... Maybe the buttons light up to match the color of the Pikmin on screen. You can then select your Pikmin by using their given button on the controller... Remember all the talk of a screen on the controller? Maybe... OK, maybe not, but just a thought...

wow you know what that sounds like a good idea maybe you should make a thread just for this idea see what people think if it hasent been discussed already . If im correct that keyboard is using OLED.

[AdamInPlaidum]

I got to thinking about the Optimus keyboard ( http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ )from another post and any other applications that this technology can be used for and thought of one, Nintendo Revolution. Anyone think this may be something Nintendo will be using on their new controller? Maybe a series of buttons on the controller and only the ones used for the particular game light up... When playing NES games for instance, the 2 gameplay buttons light up red to look like the NES contoller buttons. Or a game like Pikmin, which Myamoto just said would be perfect for the Revolution controller interface... Maybe the buttons light up to match the color of the Pikmin on screen. You can then select your Pikmin by using their given button on the controller... Remember all the talk of a screen on the controller? Maybe... OK, maybe not, but just a thought...

That is a good thought. My thought was that instead of one controller there would be several "half-controllers" that connect depending on what game you are playing. You could have a first-person shooter set-up with sticks on both sides, fighting game set-up with a Saturn-like D-pad and 6 face buttons, etc. Everytime they needed to, Nintendo would come out with a new "half-controller" to accomodate whatever game. This would leave the option open to developers to develop games completely freely, without thinking about how they would map to the controller.

[Numsay]

One more vote for 480i and 480p being like night and day. Are you sure you have everything hooked up right?
Take a progressive scan DVD player and toggle the progressive scan on and off to test it. Should be a big difference.

[gsr]

480p meh..

I bet you the only reason that's a "p" instead of an "i" is that they want progressive scan dvd playback...just about any decent $50 dvd player these days does progressive scan, so nintendo probably felt the need to put it in.

If they eliminated dvds and went with the shithole format that we have on the GC now, they probably would've stayed 480i..

revolution, or lack thereof, is teh suck

[greyzieoriental]

to anyone who cant tell the difference between 480i and 480p and you have a gamecube component cable, try this:

turn on ur cube in 480i and look at the red nintendo logo, usually the game will ask if you want turn on progressive scan(if it doesnt then hold B & turn on ur cube) and see the big difference in the color of how red should look

480i dull, bland and pale
480p vibrant, bright, pure

my vision and colorblindness is horrible but if i can tell the difference than anyone can

[jam3582]

to anyone who cant tell the difference between 480i and 480p and you have a gamecube component cable, try this:

turn on ur cube in 480i and look at the red nintendo logo, usually the game will ask if you want turn on progressive scan(if it doesnt then hold B & turn on ur cube) and see the big difference in the color of how red should look

480i dull, bland and pale
480p vibrant, bright, pure

my vision and colorblindness is horrible but if i can tell the difference than anyone can

its like putting on a pair of glasses for the first time .

[oleander]

This quote throws me off...
"Considering where the machine will be placed in the household, we think it would be difficult for people to route the typical Ethernet line to it"

WTF does that mean? Typical to me means like the current Xbox/PS2 way...so what is Nintendo thinking?
I think he means VG systems in general tend not to be where they need to be to have easy access to an ethernet cable.
My TV (and therefore my VG systems) is nowhere near my cable modem, so there really isn't a practical way for me to get internet without a wireless connection. Given the setups I have seen in other peoples houses, I would have to say that this is fairly common. And even when people have a set-up that would allow a wireless connection, I don't think I have ever seen one where it would be convenient.
So, as far as I can tell (assuming my sample potrays the videogaming population accurately), this is an excellent move - the majority will either use the wireless or not go on the internet at all, and the rest can buy whatever Nintendo releases or a cheap wireless router (which could definitely be had for cheaper than $60 or $70 that the current wireless adapters for the consoles go for).

[Blind the Thief]

I really hope Nintendo does innovate because at this point, that's all anybody has to go on. They've downplayed everything else but haven't shown us a single bit of what makes their system way better than the competitor's.

I have a feeling that I'll get the Rev just for the Nintendo games since I grew up with them. But if they continue to lose ground, they'll be forced out of the business.

*sigh* Do we have to go through this AGAIN? Nintendo is PROFITABLE. This last quarter, one of their worst this generation, they simply MADE LESS MONEY, but did not lose any. The public perception that Nintendo is "going to go out of the hardware business like SEGA did" is crap. Sure, they lost a lot of ground/market share, but they're still the only hardware manufacturer MAKING money off of their hardware.

[Zoglog]

pretty much all Xbox games are 480p already (http://www.hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm), pretty dissapointing to make that the standard now. His whole interview seems to be pure sales trying to sell something inferior as better.

[ryanbph]

And the DVD player isn't going to be an attachment; it’s going to go inside the machine so you won't even (be able to) tell the difference.

I want whatever he was smoking during that whole interview.
I would like some also, puff puff give

[rohlfinator]

pretty much all Xbox games are 480p already (http://www.hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm), pretty dissapointing to make that the standard now. His whole interview seems to be pure sales trying to sell something inferior as better.
Nintendo isn't making it the standard; the 95% of Americans who don't own an HDTV are making it the standard.

HD would be a nice feature, but I wouldn't want to pay an extra $100 for it. It won't really be necessary until the majority of gamers use an HDTV. All consoles prior to this generation produced graphics at a lower resolution than their TV's, and that didn't stop them from selling.

Graphics are going to improve whether Nintendo focuses on them or not. I'd rather see improvement in other areas.

[XboxHardcore.com]

Here's the full story:

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0 (http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22379030&page=0)

Scans of the Iwata and Miyamoto interview. And you're missing the highlight. The Revo graphics will not be inferior to the other consoles.


Man Nintendo should release a Rev like the one in your sig!!! Where did you get that image? OMG I would be in line first if it looked like that!!

[Ozzkev55]

Mario Party Online
:drool:
Super Smash Bros. Online
:drool:
Goldeneye Online
:drool:

This will easily beat xbox live(at least for me) if it becomes a reality

[XboxHardcore.com]

Mario Party Online
:drool:
Super Smash Bros. Online
:drool:
Goldeneye Online
:drool:

This will easily beat xbox live(at least for me) if it becomes a reality

Yeah, online gameplay for old games is awesome!

[megashock5]

This is something that I hadn't even thought of. It's going to cost significantly more to produce Blu-Ray discs than standard DVDs, and I wonder if this will have any impact on the PS3.

Blu-Ray has its advantages, namely its storage capacity. But let us not forget that cartridges had their advantages also, with zero load times and durability, yet they failed due in part to their cost.

Could we be seeing a repeat scenario?


Good point, but the other factor I've been wondering about is load times. Since Blu-Ray is a new technology, how fast will the drive in the PS3 be? On top of that, if it holds that much more data could it take longer to access info from the disc?

I don't know, this could be a non-issue. But I'll definitely be interested to see how the load times are on these new systems. Microsoft is claiming they'll be almost non-existent and Nintendo has made this a priority in the past.

[MorPhiend]

Man Nintendo should release a Rev like the one in your sig!!! Where did you get that image? OMG I would be in line first if it looked like that!!

I'm not sure where I got it. I dl'd it during e3 and haven't seen it anywhere since. But I forget where or who I got it from...


And I agree about online classics. That alone will be worth the purchase. But there will be oh so much more...:drool:

[Sweetbabyjezuz]

the new controller will beeee............. a keyboard!

[undyingforce5]

I think it will be slow going at first but I think Nintendo has some really good things going to entice 3rd parties this generation:

Easier development of games compared to the XBOX 360 + PS3
(Less cost to them means more profit for them)
Sell old school games (NES, SNES, N64) with no new costs
Disc based media (Lower cost than cartridges)
Online (3rd parties can charge a fee if they want to)

It is obviously too early to tell but I think they will do well this generation. It is definitely going to be interesting.


Gamecube had easier development and disc media and that had no effect on sales (compared to microsoft & sony)

i dont think 3rd parties will flourish just because the Revolution will play their old games but online is a plus this time around. but there are great video game development companies out there that love to push graphical improvements. no reason to release their games on a infearior console

i love Nintendo but i see them being 3rd place again because:
Revolutions graphics will be beautiful but not like the others will
microsofts system comes out first
sony will come out 2nd (and they have a huge fan base of idiots)
Nintendo will come out last
minimal 3rd party support

in the end...i will continue to support Nintendo as long as they make great games

[MorPhiend]

Gamecube had easier development and disc media and that had no effect on sales (compared to microsoft & sony)

i dont think 3rd parties will flourish just because the Revolution will play their old games but online is a plus this time around. but there are great video game development companies out there that love to push graphical improvements. no reason to release their games on a infearior console

i love Nintendo but i see them being 3rd place again because:
Revolutions graphics will be beautiful but not like the others will
microsofts system comes out first
sony will come out 2nd (and they have a huge fan base of idiots)
Nintendo will come out last
minimal 3rd party support

in the end...i will continue to support Nintendo as long as they make great games

I'm not saying that if your information were correct that it would mean squat, but where is your exclusive insider information coming from? Who said that Sony will be out second and Nintendo last? What are the release dates? Don't be so stingy with your knowledge! We all want to know! Also, how do you know the technical specs of the Revolution? You obviously have them, since you know that it is "infearior." And since we all know that a console can't be judged on specs alone (Where are those Toy Story graphics for the PS2???... five years later... still waiting...), I also want to see your exclusive gameplay shots and videos of even an alpha Revolution in action. Come on, please?

Actually, inside rumors have been speculating that Nintendo would be out during the first half of 2006 and the PS3 would be held back until at least sometime around Christmas of 2006, if not later. I'm not saying this is fact, but if anything, it is at least more likely than your little wet dream of a fantasy (fantasy, at least in the limited mind of a Nintendo hater).

Why do people always make baseless, retarded claims against Nintendo, then just throw in a lame "qualifier" at the end (i.e. BTW, i luv Nin10Do! They r kool!)? Because they know they are just fanboys who don't want to get flamed for their idiocy...

[jkam]

Gamecube had easier development and disc media and that had no effect on sales (compared to microsoft & sony)

i dont think 3rd parties will flourish just because the Revolution will play their old games but online is a plus this time around. but there are great video game development companies out there that love to push graphical improvements. no reason to release their games on a infearior console

i love Nintendo but i see them being 3rd place again because:
Revolutions graphics will be beautiful but not like the others will
microsofts system comes out first
sony will come out 2nd (and they have a huge fan base of idiots)
Nintendo will come out last
minimal 3rd party support

in the end...i will continue to support Nintendo as long as they make great games

It has already been stated that the PS2 and XBOX are easier to program for than the dual core environments found in the XBOX360 and the PS3. I'm not saying that the Revolution will have better graphics in the long run but it will take at least a year or two for a big difference to show up. If the Revolution can gain enough steam by then it won't make a difference to 3rd parties which system is more powerful. The PS2 is a good example of this. You also have the PSP and the DS....the graphical prowess of the PSP has not slowed down DS games in the least.

My point about development costs was that the Revo will be more like the Gamecube to develop for where as the other consoles are going off into uncharted territory. Inferior console? I would have to rate a system on its games more so than its graphics. Again the PSP doesn't make the DS's upcoming game lineup look any less stellar.

Let us not forget about the Revolutionary aspect of the console. Will it be a big enough deal to hurt Sony and Microsoft? Maybe not. I like the thought of something NEW though. The DS was weird when it came out but now Nintendogs is showing that something unique can move systems.

I'm not all that concerned with Nintendo beating out the other guys as long as they stick around I'm happy. They make my favorite games on any console and that is why I stick with them. I just think they are finally making some smart moves to get back in the game.

[undyingforce5]

I'm not saying that if your information were correct that it would mean squat, but where is your exclusive insider information coming from? Who said that Sony will be out second and Nintendo last? What are the release dates? Don't be so stingy with your knowledge! We all want to know! Also, how do you know the technical specs of the Revolution? You obviously have them, since you know that it is "infearior." And since we all know that a console can't be judged on specs alone (Where are those Toy Story graphics for the PS2???... five years later... still waiting...), I also want to see your exclusive gameplay shots and videos of even an alpha Revolution in action. Come on, please?

Actually, inside rumors have been speculating that Nintendo would be out during the first half of 2006 and the PS3 would be held back until at least sometime around Christmas of 2006, if not later. I'm not saying this is fact, but if anything, it is at least more likely than your little wet dream of a fantasy (fantasy, at least in the limited mind of a Nintendo hater).

Why do people always make baseless, retarded claims against Nintendo, then just throw in a lame "qualifier" at the end (i.e. BTW, i luv Nin10Do! They r kool!)? Because they know they are just fanboys who don't want to get flamed for their idiocy...


Calm your ass down and stop sucking Nintendo Off for christs sake. i own one console and one only and thats a Nintendo GameCube. it is you who has gotten "flamed for their idiocy..."
i simply stated my opinions based on information that has already been released. And you reply by acting like a little girl. bookmark this thread "Nintendo Fan Boy" and well see whose predictions come the closest

and yes Nintendo has already said that their console wont match that of the competition. its been stated on IGN and might be here:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p1.html
(hope you could actually read this time unlike the way you handled my post)
dispite this fact i will still be buying a Nintenfo Revolution on Launch Day because i enjoy nintendo games and am more interested in invotation than graphics.

Next time dont jump to conclusions and actually read posts "fan boy"

[undyingforce5]

It has already been stated that the PS2 and XBOX are easier to program for than the dual core environments found in the XBOX360 and the PS3. I'm not saying that the Revolution will have better graphics in the long run but it will take at least a year or two for a big difference to show up. If the Revolution can gain enough steam by then it won't make a difference to 3rd parties which system is more powerful. The PS2 is a good example of this. You also have the PSP and the DS....the graphical prowess of the PSP has not slowed down DS games in the least.

My point about development costs was that the Revo will be more like the Gamecube to develop for where as the other consoles are going off into uncharted territory. Inferior console? I would have to rate a system on its games more so than its graphics. Again the PSP doesn't make the DS's upcoming game lineup look any less stellar.

Let us not forget about the Revolutionary aspect of the console. Will it be a big enough deal to hurt Sony and Microsoft? Maybe not. I like the thought of something NEW though. The DS was weird when it came out but now Nintendogs is showing that something unique can move systems.

I'm not all that concerned with Nintendo beating out the other guys as long as they stick around I'm happy. They make my favorite games on any console and that is why I stick with them. I just think they are finally making some smart moves to get back in the game.

i agree with you on many points:
"the graphical prowess of the PSP has not slowed down DS games in the least. "
"I would have to rate a system on its games more so than its graphics."
i believe in this strongly but PS2 owners dont see it the same way
"They make my favorite games on any console and that is why I stick with them. "
and i will be buying a DS come Mario Kart DS and hopefully there will be a balck one to match my Cube & SP

but if "it will take at least a year or two for a big difference to show up" then i feel it will have a big impact on 3rd parties regardless. Nintendo needs strong 3rd party support right away to try to over take the competition in sales. given i dont care if the big N comes in 3rd again this time, id just like to see Nintendo on top again.

[Sleepkyng]

Calm your ass down and stop sucking Nintendo Off for christs sake. i own one console and one only and thats a Nintendo GameCube. it is you who has gotten "flamed for their idiocy..."
i simply stated my opinions based on information that has already been released. And you reply by acting like a little girl. bookmark this thread "Nintendo Fan Boy" and well see whose predictions come the closest

and yes Nintendo has already said that their console wont match that of the competition. its been stated on IGN and might be here:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p1.html
(hope you could actually read this time unlike the way you handled my post)
dispite this fact i will still be buying a Nintenfo Revolution on Launch Day because i enjoy nintendo games and am more interested in invotation than graphics.

Next time dont jump to conclusions and actually read posts "fan boy"

Morphiend is a nintendo fanboy, but he's a pretty educated and up to date fanboy.

A lot of people get their panties in a wad when Miyamoto speaks but having dealt with Japanese business men before, it is absolutely MANDATORY to dodge questions and subtley hint at future strategies and products. You will never discuss business with a Japanese businessperson and hear them accept or decline a proposal.

So when you read, stretch that little mind of yours to see things from another culture's point of view. Not everyone is a big ole' amerikun who tells it like it is, I reckon.

[undyingforce5]

[QUOTE=Sleepkyng]Miyamoto speaks but having dealt with Japanese business men before, it is absolutely MANDATORY to dodge questions and subtley hint at future strategies and products.QUOTE]

yea your right..this strategy isnt done state side..that would be absurd!!!!

the truth is in the mouths Nintendo representives that have spoken on this subject...no need to stretch my mind but i do notice that your stretching yours.

[Sleepkyng]

Hey now, Grammar wizard! Don't get too carried away with that crazy lingo you're using.

I could care less about processing power, I'm not a PC gamer.

My point is that there is a lot being said in Miyamoto's interview if you know what to read for. That be thar mind stretchin' request, matey!

[undyingforce5]

Hey now, Grammar wizard! Don't get too carried away with that crazy lingo you're using.

I could care less about processing power, I'm not a PC gamer.

My point is that there is a lot being said in Miyamoto's interview if you know what to read for. That be thar mind stretchin' request, matey!

my point got across didnt???? i hope it annoys you when i dont use proper grammar because i could care less

if my posts seem like carzy lingo to you then you got issues & i never mentioned anything about processing power and you dont need to be a PC Gamer to understand it either.

every interview Miyamoto gives is mysterious because he wants fan boys talking. no need to read into anything. hes stated his standards for The REVO...its hope thats got you stretching your mind and thats fine with me. ive said it so many times before...i would take inovation over graphics any day. this is why ive owned every Nintendo console theve released (minus the Virtual Boy.) i know i will enjoy the new controller, weather it was over hyped or not. i also konw that the first next generation console i own will be the Revolution

Nintendo Fan Boys get real crazy when others dont agree with their OPINIONS.

i dont see it the way you do END of STORY!!!!!!!!

[MorPhiend]

You keep saying that Nintendo themselves have stated that the Revolution would not be able to stand up, graphically, to the competition. Did you even read the interview that this thread is about?

EGM: Some people are saying Nintendo has given up trying to lead technologically and is focused on innovation.

SM: I don't think the Revolution's (graphics) will be inferior in any fashion to Xbox 360 or PS3.

hmmm... What's that? It's the exact opposite of what you claim Nintendo says! Wow! And not only that, but Iwata, Kaplan, Harrison and Reggie have all said the same thing. I don't know where your "official" Nintendo Representatives are coming from, but they must be crazy because the people running the show are speaking very differently.

And you give me a link that says, "Read that... it might be there..." You have got to be the biggest moron around. You give a source that you don't even know what is contained there in? Sorry, but that doesn't even come close to attempting logic.

Iwata has said that they aren't focusing on raw "processing" power. Does that mean they can't make breathtaking visuals? No. It means they aren't focusing on that. In fact, he has also said that the Revolution would not fall short in that department. We live in an age of amazing technology. That technology speaks for itself. Why make things up and throw them at the consumer? (i.e. Look at our Toy Story quality real time graphics!) And that's why I say "processing" power. What we were shown at e3 for the PS3 (and to some extent on the 360, even though they were a bit more honest than was Sony) is simply what is theoretically possible with the expected hardware that is to be in the PS3. And that is why Nintendo is staying away from that road. They want to focus on fun and let the consumers see the technology at work. If it is really that good, a company doesn't have to try so hard to sell you on something that is so obvious (visuals). Sorry, but it is just too plain that Sony is (once again) trying too hard, and in the process is misleading poor saps like yourself.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen both the GCN and Xbox deliver what they promised graphically long ago (and then some). I'm still waiting for Sony to do the same with the PS2 and PSP. Empty promises. That is all they are.

But Nintendo is going to let us decide how good their games look. Just as they let us decide how well their good ideas are executed. Remember how everyone complained all summer that Nintendo was not hyping Nintendogs and that it was going to come back and bite them? People were saying that it would not even come close to doing as well as it did in Japan. Well, Nintendogs came and the Dachshund version has a shortage and in many places you cannot find the other two versions, unless you had it preordered. The fun factor was shown at e3 and that was all. The game sold itself. No spinning stories of how great this or that was. Anyway, whatever I say is just going to go straight over your head. So I am just going to quit wasting my time. But the facts are there, and you keep making your own up. Just go away and quit your trolling. There is always GameFAQs that I'm sure would be more than happy to have you...

[Sleepkyng]

my point got across didnt???? i hope it annoys you when i dont use proper grammar because i could care less

if my posts seem like carzy lingo to you then you got issues & i never mentioned anything about processing power and you dont need to be a PC Gamer to understand it either.

every interview Miyamoto gives is mysterious because he wants fan boys talking. no need to read into anything. hes stated his standards for The REVO...its hope thats got you stretching your mind and thats fine with me. ive said it so many times before...i would take inovation over graphics any day. this is why ive owned every Nintendo console theve released (minus the Virtual Boy.) i know i will enjoy the new controller, weather it was over hyped or not. i also konw that the first next generation console i own will be the Revolution

Nintendo Fan Boys get real crazy when others dont agree with their OPINIONS.

i dont see it the way you do END of STORY!!!!!!!!

Well, I hope that some day you do learn about grammar because when you don't use it in a semi-competent way (and I understand the hasty replies of webforums and all that entails) you just may end up looking like a fucking idiot.

Though no grammar in the world would keep you from such a fate.

Bravo, Sir!

[GreenMonkey]

my point got across didnt???? i hope it annoys you when i dont use proper grammar because i could care less


A majority of us on messageboards would like more intelligible replies. You don't have to have perfect grammar, but a minimum level of punctuation and capitlization makes for much easier replies.

Plus, I read a couple of pages a minute, but I can't read a big mass of unpunctuated, uncapitalized typing. If you want to ensure that your typing is actually being read by people, you might try for a minimum level of both. I don't even try to puzzle it out, most of the time. I read the more coherant posters instead.

[undyingforce5]

[QUOTE=MorPhiend]You keep saying that Nintendo themselves have stated that the Revolution would not be able to stand up, graphically, to the competition. Did you even read the interview that this thread is about?
QUOTE]


yes they have changed their tune on that subject and they are more careful about what they say now. my life doesnt revolve around a message board like yours does so i dont remember the exact address where i read my info but i do know i read it and i do know it was credible. i dont need to prove myself to no one.
i do rely on ign for a majority of my knowledge for next generation and i believe them to be very credible. would u say there credible ??...if so then read at the bottom of this page:
http://cube.ign.com/mail/2005-07-29.html

i do believe that sony over promises and thats why ive never owned one of their systems so how is sony misleading me you dumb nut? dont come at me with these weak burns. i am confidant that nintendo will deliver the goods weather their graphics stand up to the competition or not. and they have stated that it wouldnt.

i love Nintendo and have read the facts and stated my opinion, so calm your large vagina down, your allowd yours as well.

and to GreenMonkey & Sleepkyng:
my replies were "intelligible" & "semi-competent " because some poor sap did get out of hand with what i posted. theres so many things to be uptight about in this world besides "uncapitalized typing"
im sorry you think "uncapitalized typing" is puzzling. please skip over my posts from this point on.

[Sleepkyng]

[QUOTE=undyingforce5and to GreenMonkey & Sleepkyng:
my replies were "intelligible" & "semi-competent " because some poor sap did get out of hand with what i posted. theres so many things to be uptight about in this world besides "uncapitalized typing"
im sorry you think "uncapitalized typing" is puzzling. please skip over my posts from this point on.[/QUOTE]

Dang! Do you want a trophy or something?

Sexist and slow, that's quite the talent you have there.

You can't be older than 13.

[MorPhiend]

"You know, in regard to the power of the Nintendo Revolution versus, say, the Xbox 360, we're looking at making a small, quiet, affordable console. If you look at trying to incorporate all that, of course we might not have the horsepower that some other companies have…" -- Shigeru Miyamoto
When will you understand that system specs mean nothing? Sure, an AMD 64 3800+ is a lot better than a Cyrix 186 and the actual performance is more than obvious. But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about three companies with a literal endless treasure trove to cover development costs of ultra high end components, all during the same point in time. The difference in theoretical performance is going to be very small. But let's look again to Sony's Emotion Engine. Here we will see what is now going on. That was supposed to be an other worldly technology that far surpassed anything that anyone else could even attempt. And by the numbers, it was pretty good. But as Miyamoto has also stated, he can crunch numbers and give everyone some pretty impressive statistics and formulas, but that means nothing. The only thing that matters is what the gamer sees and experiences. The PS3 and Xbox 360 will both be impressive. But so will Revolution, and more than just visually. You don't have to have a $350,000 Lamborghini to have the fastest/most capable car on the block.

Basic point: Sony always overstates. Nintendo always understates. Miyamoto, nor anyone else, has ever actually stated that the Revolution will be low on actual perfomance. They have only been vague and let some people believe that they are. Who knows, maybe they will be. But they have never said it. I think that they act as they do on purpose, just so they can blow people's deflated expectations out of the water.

Think about it: Three times the visual perfomance of RE4? That's a whole heck of a lot better than any pre-rendered visuals I saw coming out of e3. And everyone knows that Sony is just blowing hot air out of their butt again anyways. I don't care that Sony says that the number crunchers say their hardware is 60 billion times as powerful as PS2 (or whatever it was). That sure isn't what I saw from them at e3...


P.S. I agree with the others on just communicating like a civilized human being. The manner in which you handle yourself is extremely disgusting and lends little credibility to any opinion that you may hold. And the vulgarities... do you honestly kiss your mother with that mouth???

And you continue to pretend that you know me. Live on this board? I have hardly even been on the computer this summer. And you think thatyou don't owe an explanation to people? Sorry, but if you are going to open your mouth and say stupid things, you better be able to back it up (and you certainly better not give false sources). Otherwise, it is your duty and responsibility to keep your slimey mouth shut. If you don't care enough to know what you are talking about, then no one here cares enough to listen to you.

[undyingforce5]

"You know, in regard to the power of the Nintendo Revolution versus, say, the Xbox 360, we're looking at making a small, quiet, affordable console. If you look at trying to incorporate all that, of course we might not have the horsepower that some other companies have…" -- Shigeru Miyamoto
When will you understand that system specs mean nothing? Sure, an AMD 64 3800+ is a lot better than a Cyrix 186 and the actual performance is more than obvious. But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about three companies with a literal endless treasure trove to cover development costs of ultra high end components, all during the same point in time. The difference in theoretical performance is going to be very small. But let's look again to Sony's Emotion Engine. Here we will see what is now going on. That was supposed to be an other worldly technology that far surpassed anything that anyone else could even attempt. And by the numbers, it was pretty good. But as Miyamoto has also stated, he can crunch numbers and give everyone some pretty impressive statistics and formulas, but that means nothing. The only thing that matters is what the gamer sees and experiences. The PS3 and Xbox 360 will both be impressive. But so will Revolution, and more than just visually. You don't have to have a $350,000 Lamborghini to have the fastest/most capable car on the block.

Basic point: Sony always overstates. Nintendo always understates. Miyamoto, nor anyone else, has ever actually stated that the Revolution will be low on actual perfomance. They have only been vague and let some people believe that they are. Who knows, maybe they will be. But they have never said it. I think that they act as they do on purpose, just so they can blow people's deflated expectations out of the water.

Think about it: Three times the visual perfomance of RE4? That's a whole heck of a lot better than any pre-rendered visuals I saw coming out of e3. And everyone knows that Sony is just blowing hot air out of their butt again anyways. I don't care that Sony says that the number crunchers say their hardware is 60 billion times as powerful as PS2 (or whatever it was). That sure isn't what I saw from them at e3...


P.S. I agree with the others on just communicating like a civilized human being. The manner in which you handle yourself is extremely disgusting and lends little credibility to any opinion that you may hold. And the vulgarities... do you honestly kiss your mother with that mouth???

And you continue to pretend that you know me. Live on this board? I have hardly even been on the computer this summer. And you think thatyou don't owe an explanation to people? Sorry, but if you are going to open your mouth and say stupid things, you better be able to back it up (and you certainly better not give false sources). Otherwise, it is your duty and responsibility to keep your slimey mouth shut. If you don't care enough to know what you are talking about, then no one here cares enough to listen to you.
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you are such a hypocrite its beyond belief. it is you who thinks you know me. take a look at your first post you made based on my Opinions!!!!!!
ive never stated that i wont appreciate what nintendo brings to the table. i know the big n has stated the revo will be 3 times better and thats fine by me.
your in denial. ive supplied you with links to the proof but your still holding out hope...
if you want to believe that an uncivilized human being = uncapitalized typing then you have much deeper things to worry about
"If you don't care enough to know what you are talking about, then no one here cares enough to listen to you."
wrong again...think for a minute...and dont hurt yourself!

i dont hate u MorPhiend, please realize this. i have a great big smile on my face when i type these posts. we both have interpreted quotes from Nintendo reps in different ways. your info isnt false, nor mine. we have diiferent points of view. you have to admit that your first post (towards me) was very harsh for no appearent reason. calm down. it seems that we both have a great love for Nintendo and we shouldnt be arguing. WE NINTENDO FANS NEED TO STICK TOGETHER!!!!! there arent many of us as there were back in the day.

[GreenMonkey]

? Sure, an AMD 64 3800+ is a lot better than a Cyrix 186 and the actual performance is more than obvious. But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about three companies with a literal endless treasure trove to cover development costs of ultra high end components, all during the same point in time. The difference in theoretical performance is going to be very small.

I'll tell you this. I build my PC based on a strict price/performance curve. When I am getting significant performance for my $, I keep going up. When I start getting 5-10% better performance for 200% more money, I stop and go back to the last reasonable processor/video card/etc.

When I bought it, my socket A64 2800+ was $120. An Athlon 3400+ was like $180. For barely 10% more speed in benchmarks, I would be paying 50% more. And that was still a reasonable CPU. The 3800+ was over $250. 20% more game performance, maybe, for over 200% more cost.

I assume Nintendo is adopting a similiar philosophy. Where is a cost effective point to stop? Sony's super duper Cell processor is surely better, but how much better? 20% for 200% more price? How about the multi-core 3.2ghz processors in the Xbox360? Yes, it's spiffy, but what if you just put single core processors in it instead - talk about money savings. Many programmers doubt writing effective multi-threaded games as it is.


What if, instead, they build a machine on the curve, advanced enough to hold out, but not super duper expensive and advanced? A Dual core A64 X2 4200+ is $449 on pricewatch. A single core 3800+ is $299. That's a big difference, but how much more performance are you getting out of a 4200+ vs a 3800+? How much does the dual core help at this point and in the near future? Not a lot.

Same thing for video cards. A SLI'd pair of 6800Ultras OWN, but for like $800. A single one at $400 will likely do the same job for quite some time.

Meanwhile, Nintendo can play the curve - Rather than spending ultra $ on ridiculous specs that don't do any good for 3-4 years down the road. Not like you're going to see any games really using the dual core Xbox360 chips for much performance gain any time soon!