Does anyone have faith in Nintendo?

[Blind the Thief]

Though I love them to death, claiming their controller will be as revolutionary as they say seems iffy to me, but I have faith that it won't SUCK. After all,

They made the original NES controller, a mold still semi-followed today.

They invented shoulder buttons with the SNES controller.

They created the current trend of analog sticks on the controller with the N64.

Though the Gamecube controller wasn't revolutionary, it WASthe Gamecube controller that eventually became the first controller in history to be a wireless first-party produced controller.

Looking at all this, I feel a bit more comfortable with their controller talk. I don't think it'll live up to the lofty goals they presented themselves with, but I'm sure it'll do SOMETHING cool no one has thought of before.

Whaddya ya'll think?

[Tromack]

I don't have faith, but I hope that it will be good.

[MadChedar0]

Yeah I believe in Nintendo. I think they put out the best games this generation... and they probably will again.

[Theduck]

As weird as the controllers get, they usually end up being the best feeling ones around. I can't say if they'll be revolutionary, but who knows? Just thinking that they'll need a type of controller to support every other nintendo console game from past systems, I'm sure it won't be anything far from unique.

[WildWop]

Faith that the new controller will be sweet? yes

Faith that said controller will ever be used well by a third party? minimal.

Faith that they'll win marketshare? no.

Faith that they'll make fun games? absolutely.

Will I buy Rev? absolutely.

[Vinny]

I'm a bit worried that the controller won't be a great as everybody is expecting it to.. I don't get how they plan to make a controller that:
-can be used to play old NES, SNES, N64 and GC games
-less complex
-has to be revolutionary

Of course, my first point could be unnecessary because the Rev does have ports for GC controllers but Iwata said the controller can't be too different as it'll be used to play classic games.

But I have faith in Nintendo. When the DS launched and there were abundance of crappy titles, my faith was at an all time low. But then I saw developers putting the DS to better use with time and slowly I saw what they were doing.

Nintendo wasn't crazy, they're just the only company who has enough balls to try something besides playing follow the leader. And when they say that the day they stop making a system is the day they go out of business complete, you know they're going to try their best.

[Ikohn4ever]

I still have faith in nintendo but say if RE5 doesnt end up comin to it, I will lose a lot of that

[asaraa]

I'm not sure why, but i do

[Morrigan Lover]

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[Duo_Maxwell]

I do, and I know the reason, it's called Zelda games. The controller can be a circular peice of cardboard with seven button duct taped to it and I'd still play it for zelda.

[PawnTakesKing]

I do have faith in Nintendo, but it's minimal. I have faith that their first-party titles on the Revolution will likely be successes. I don't have much faith that they'll be able to gain back all of the third-party support that they've lost.

I will buy a Revolution either way. I'm just going into it with lowered expectations so that I can either be pleasantly surprised when they deliver above and beyond what I expected...or less upset if Revolution turns out to be less revolutionary than they suggest.

[PawnTakesKing]

EDIT: Ack, double post....sorry about that.

[gsr]

nope it's over for them

[WhipSmartBanky]

Though I love them to death, claiming their controller will be as revolutionary as they say seems iffy to me, but I have faith that it won't SUCK. After all,

They made the original NES controller, a mold still semi-followed today.

They invented shoulder buttons with the SNES controller.

They created the current trend of analog sticks on the controller with the N64.

Though the Gamecube controller wasn't revolutionary, it WASthe Gamecube controller that eventually became the first controller in history to be a wireless first-party produced controller.

Looking at all this, I feel a bit more comfortable with their controller talk. I don't think it'll live up to the lofty goals they presented themselves with, but I'm sure it'll do SOMETHING cool no one has thought of before.

Whaddya ya'll think?
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, but didn't the 3D-Pad with the analog stick for Saturn come out before the N64 launched?

[PawnTakesKing]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, but didn't the 3D-Pad with the analog stick for Saturn come out before the N64 launched?

Taken from: http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/detail/saturn_b.html

Out with the old, and in with the new! Sega almost totally redesigns the Saturn controller in response to the Nintendo 64's revolutionary analog controller.

The new addition of notice is an analog thumb stick, but hidden from view is one of Sega's own innovations - The clicky old shoulder buttons have been replaced with analog triggers. Also, they seem to have discarded the previous directional pad and replaced it with exactly the same one featured on Sega's 6 button Genesis controller.

I'm not sure how factual this information is. Maybe someone else could do some more thorough research, as I'm a lazy bum and just don't want to.

[Blind the Thief]

Yeah, I was under the impression the N64 did it first,but my memory of all that is hazey at best.

[Vinny]

Yes, Nintendo had the idea first but Sega beat them to the market with the quickly designed controller (hence why it wasn't very good). Most people wrongly credit to it being Sega's idea... it wasn't, they were just good theives.:)

Either way, it (analog control) was Nintendo's revolutionary aspect for the N64. See, this is why they're so afraid of people stealing ideas now..:lol:

[WhipSmartBanky]

Yes, Nintendo had the idea first but Sega beat them to the market with the quickly designed controller (hence why it wasn't very good). Most people wrongly credit to it being Sega's idea... it wasn't, they were just good theives.:)

Either way, it (analog control) was Nintendo's revolutionary aspect for the N64. See, this is why they're so afraid of people stealing ideas now..:lol:
I dunno man, I thought the 3D-Pad was pretty amazing...the stick was smooth as butter and it had analog triggers as well. Anyway, sorry for the tangent.

[Vinny]

Hey, to each his own I guess..:)

I was talking about the build quality, they didn't feel as sturdy to me. But I do agree on two things: the stick was damn nice and the triggers one upped Nintendo's Z trigger, though I don't think they were fully pressure sensitive (they only had 2/3 stages I think). Not sure though as I never got to test them out on many games.. or any games except for Nights.:-k

[zionoverfire]

Whaddya ya'll think?

I think knowing shit like that is a pretty good indication that your a nintendo fan freak and any argument or discussion would be entirely pointless. That said Nintendo fucked up the last 2 times, I have little hope this time will be any different.

[tdphillips]

I think knowing shit like that is a pretty good indication that your a nintendo fan freak and any argument or discussion would be entirely pointless. That said Nintendo fucked up the last 2 times, I have little hope this time will be any different.

Ditto. But for some reason, I have a GC and N64, and I play them. But in terms of the market, yeah, they've screwed up.

[opportunity777]

I am too lazy to search for the thread, but some suggested that their strategy is to make sure that if someone buys a new PS3 or XBOX360 that they will also by the Rev. It doesn't sound too bad at this point. I really think that Nintendo is targeting a niche market, and should just continue doing so if they wish to stay profitable.

[PenguinMaster]

I thought the Gamecube controller was inferior to the other two current gen controllers (it was missing four buttons and pressure sensitivity, and the Z button and C-Stick are uncomfortable) and I don't expect them to improve. Nintendo seems to be focusing too much on gimmicks now and Miyamato (Spelling?) has said that games are too complicated and that certainly makes me think they won't do better in the future. I have a Gamecube and play it quite a bit (though much less than my PS2 and often I play with a PS2 controller adaptor), but I can't see myself buying a Revolution anytime soon.

BTW, I also hate the name Revolution as it just proves how full of themselves Nintendo really is.

EDIT: I'd also like to comment that Nintendo ruled in the days of NES & SNES but they haven't evolved with the times. Also, the only reason N64 was great was because of Rare's support but Rare is now with Microsoft and all their recent games have been utter crap.

[evilmax17]

They kind of shot themselves in the foot by calling their project the "Revolution", although I suppose that they needed something to distinguish themselves from the 360/PS3 hype machine. They've had everybody speculating about their console for a good while now, and when the Revolution is revealed and it isn't a fully interactive 3D holographic battle room, people will probably be disappointed.

I mean, if I made a console and named it "The Best Console Ever", I'd be setting myself up for some heavy duty criticism. But really, what other choice did they have after two less-than-stellar home console generations?

[David85]

Nope

[Blind the Thief]

I think knowing shit like that is a pretty good indication that your a nintendo fan freak and any argument or discussion would be entirely pointless. That said Nintendo fucked up the last 2 times, I have little hope this time will be any different.

I won't deny that I love Nintendo, but I am honestly interested inwhat other people think. My PS2 gets more playtime than any of my other consoles (it has more games I'm interested in, currently) and I'll be the first to tell you Nintendo has made huge mistakes this generation. I love them, but I hate blind fanboys.

I don't think they'll magically pull off a complete turn-around and get lots of third party support back. I don't think they'll ever dominate the market like they once did. I'm sure they'll have stuff worth owning, but it'll be necessary to purchase at least one other gaming machine as well. They say they're a niche market, and that's how I'm treating them: whenevr something good comes their way, I'll play it, then their console will retreat back into hiding for another 6 months until the next thing comes out. *shrugs*

[Chris in Cali]

I don't have any faith in Nintendo, or any company for that matter, because of all the extremely questionable descions they've made. GCN/GBA connectivity, releasing a GBA then releasing the GBA sp shortly after, no decent games for the DS for the first year, the N64 system, the fact that Nintendo of Japan seems to disregard American gamers time and time again, and screwing up the many chances they've had to redeem themselves.

I do on the other hand believe the Revolution is going to be a fantastic console, and it is the one I am most excited about. I think Nintendo is really going to do something great with this, and that it's going to be the next SNES in terms of how well it will be remembered. I do think Nintendo hyped the controllers up way too much, and that everyone will be let down on that part, not because they'll be bad, but because nothing can live up to the unreal hype that Nintendo has created.

[MarkMark]

sure I have faith, besides the history of nintendo and other fanboy citations. ( i admit im one) but the main reason I have faith is because since Nintendo is based on gaming entirely, since unlike sony and microsoft Nintendo is just gaming they have to keep a standard of quality to avoid death. This didnt bear well with Sega but thats just my 2 cents. Nintendo is capable of pulling stuff outta nowhere and making it work I think they still have some "magic" left

[mookiemeister]

I think Nintendo will come out with something cool. I can't wait to see what the new controller looks like.

[Prepster]

I think if any company can pull off something like this, it would be Nintendo. I believe they have the 1st party software to keep them afloat. But the controller better do my dam laundry for all the hype its getting. Guess time will tell.

[Rocko]

I agree with Chris. I am going to buy the Revolution, and I'll like it. IF all else fails, I can play all the GCN games I missed. =D

But I don't see how the controller can live up to the hype. It might be new and improved, but unless your main character's hologram pops out and talks to you, and that is how you control him/her, I think many people will be let down.

[rjarmstrong100]

I thought the Gamecube controller was inferior to the other two current gen controllers (it was missing four buttons and pressure sensitivity, and the Z button and C-Stick are uncomfortable) and I don't expect them to improve. Nintendo seems to be focusing too much on gimmicks now and Miyamato (Spelling?) has said that games are too complicated and that certainly makes me think they won't do better in the future. I have a Gamecube and play it quite a bit (though much less than my PS2 and often I play with a PS2 controller adaptor), but I can't see myself buying a Revolution anytime soon.

BTW, I also hate the name Revolution as it just proves how full of themselves Nintendo really is.

EDIT: I'd also like to comment that Nintendo ruled in the days of NES & SNES but they haven't evolved with the times. Also, the only reason N64 was great was because of Rare's support but Rare is now with Microsoft and all their recent games have been utter crap.

Your agreeing to the fact that Nintendo ruled in the days of NES and SNES, yet also blaming Miyamoto for going back to the belief where simplicity is best.

Some of the best games this past 12 months are from simplicity. Look at KAtamari Damacy for example, easy for anyone to just pick up and play. Another, Wario Ware. Who else could make a compilation of 200+ 5 second minigames and string them together flawlessy. Add to that the simplicity of only needing to use one or two buttons for each minigame.

I do have faith in Nintendo, not because of the fact I'm a Nintendo fanboy, since I am, also a M$ Fanboy now. I must say that Nintendo has given me reason to have faith in them. Examples, there ideas for controllers that always feel comfortable. The Nintendo DS, with it's innovation, purely overranks the PSP, although graphics are lacking. With the support they are getting and giving to it, it makes it far more enjoyable.
Those are some of the reasons people should have faith in Nintendo. Seriously, when have they ever let you down? Low cost systems, albeit the great hits were few and far between, but when they were hits weren't they extremely kickass?

[diaeresis]

Have controller gimmicks ever worked? The evolutionary enhancements are what become revolutionary, while the intended revolutions are forgotten.

Nintendo invented the cross-key and made the control pad the controller of choice for home games over joysticks. They added shoulder buttons to the SNES though they seemingly had no function, originally just scrolling Mario World's screen, now used in almost every game for necessary actions. The analog stick made otherwise gimmicky 3D gaming what it is. But these were evolving changes over the course of the system's life, not proclaimed from its birth- at least, no more than Nintendo's usual bluster.

When they try to rigidly mold revolutions ahead of the games, you have the N64's udders and little yellow buttons rendering all non-Smash Bros. fighting games impossible to port well, its GCN stepchild thwarting third-party ports indiscriminately, the Dreamcast's VMU animating wildly while everyone's watching the TV, and the Jaguar, well, Atari's always had a pothead contingent. Meanwhile Sega's 6 button pad, SNK's joysticks, and Sony's Dual Shock happily preoccupy gamers.

Console games are either going to use the bundled controller or take the chance of developing their own, so the system's controller should be generic and accessible. Let something like DDR (and its customers) dictate unique control devices while the base controller is left as accomodating to all games as possible.

Will Nintendo do it? I don't know ... their rhetoric is the same, leading me to expect three analog sticks and a Seaman microphone, and thus, for me, a PS3. But if they're bringing their old games in as a main thrust of the Revolution, they know people are going to want to play them, and not by using a paddle controller to navigate Simon around medusa heads, either. So there is hope. Just don't forget the official GBA SP headphone adapter.

[Apossum]

Does anyone have faith in Nintendo?

I doubted them with the DS, but now feel it's an awesome success. I have faith in the Revolution and I doubt the controller is going to be THAT innovative. I really like how development costs will be cheaper and think that will bring in some awesome games from smaller devs-- I think it's cool they will be opening the door to smaller devs as it could lead to great things for the system.

[extremep]

Wait wait wait, so the PS1 controller didn't originally have two analog sticks?

[Zingela]

Wait wait wait, so the PS1 controller didn't originally have two analog sticks?
The Playstation controller originally had just the D-Pad and the buttons, if that's what you mean. The Dualshock controllers with the analog and the rumble feature came later.

[extremep]

The Playstation controller originally had just the D-Pad and the buttons, if that's what you mean. The Dualshock controllers with the analog and the rumble feature came later.

Thanks for clearing that up, I never paid attention to the PS1. Speaking of analog control does anyone remember that third-party SNES controller with a 360 degree thumbpad?

[jkam]

I have faith in Nintendo. I think the Gamecube is an amazing system. Everyone acts as if you can't buy and play a 3rd party game on the Cube. I absoutely love the minimal load times and the Wavebird which only the Cube offers. I thought the N64 got its ass kicked by the Playstation and I bought a PS1 over the N64. I just fail to see my PS2 as being so much better than my cube. I don't play online all that much either so that could be a reason. I just see each system more as a way to play certain games.

I think the Revolution controller will be a lot like the DS. People will go WTF? Then after a little bit of time people will see what it has to offer and either like it or hate it.

As for having faith in Nintendo they still make my favorite games on any system so I have little reason not to have faith in them.

[dratsacras]

Though the Gamecube controller wasn't revolutionary, it WASthe Gamecube controller that eventually became the first controller in history to be a wireless first-party produced controller.

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You were saying..?

[megashock5]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Don't know what they have up their sleeve, but I absolutely love my DS (have a PSP too, not a fanboy) so I think maybe Iwata is on the right track. But they're so unpredictable anymore that I just don't know what to expect. They can win me over with the right price though. The 360 (and most likely the PS3) are high enough to 'wait and see' for me. $199 got me to get a Dreamcast at launch even with Sega's spotty record.

[MaxBiaggi2]

Thanks for clearing that up, I never paid attention to the PS1.

Man, where have you been for the past ten years? How could you not be aware of the PSone controller evolution? What have you been playing with no Playstation in your life?

[bluevoodu]

actually... the n64 was very successful... look at the great array of games that came out for it. Sure, quantity they were not near as much as their competitors.... but look at quality. I have 40 great games for that system.

The Gamecube (IMO) was a pretty good recovery from everyone bashing them (needlessly) in the N64 days.

The rev will do good.... and you know what, they could definitely take some big market share. Both Xbox and Sony are coming out with some VERY expensive consoles. I think if Nintendo plays their game right.... and can bring something superb out for the $250 price range (no offering several models).... I seriously think they have a chance and beating down some competition. I seriously think Xbox will gain more of Sony's market share... and this will be the time period in which sony loses its grip on the console market. If I am right.... no company has gone more than 2 systems at #1.

All I know is that people don't want to pay max price for the systems today... and they are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than was coming out. Why would people want to pay more? Sure.. the graphics are better.... but is that worth the increased price of systems AND the games?

Sony is not nailing Nintendo in the handheld race.. in fact, Nintendo is still nicely ahead.... and the DS has been selling as much as the Ps2 per week (starting a month or 2 ago... haven't seen recent sales figures though).

But only time will tell, eh? :)

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[extremep]

Man, where have you been for the past ten years? How could you not be aware of the PSone controller evolution? What have you been playing with no Playstation in your life?

Uhhhhh N64 and Xbox?

[supadupacheap]

I find it funny that somebody wondered if anybody else had faith in Nintendo. Im impartial to every company (I let them put out product and judge then) but I do see that Nintendo-ites are by far more "faithful" than other company's fans.

[ryanbph]

I don't think the controller can live up to anyones expectations

[Robobandit]

No other company seems to be able to create so much hype by saying next to nothing. I am extremely interested in what the "Revolution" will be, though my purchase of the system is pretty much a lock anyway :)

[terribledeli]

I have little faith in Nintendo.

However, looking at their stuff makes me happy. Nintendo is the equivalent of a kitten. Its great looking at the pet store, but you know its alot of effort when you get it home and there's alot of heartbreak when it lands on your copy of Um Jammer Lammy. Bastard kitten.