Who Thinks cheapyD did the right thing? [Mobile/Archive]

mcgavin27

08-09-2005, 05:44 PM

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=314159266&topic=22764584&page=0
I totally think he made the right choice. Gamespot has no right ripping on him, or stealing his posts.
go CheapyD stick it to the man... :twoguns:

EDIT:
So, i should of said no, "Gamespot doesn't have to give their source"
and for yes, "CheapyD had every right to get angry. those are the new poll choices if you didn't enjoy the old ones. Since I can't change them, those shall be the less severe choices.

MaxBiaggi2

08-09-2005, 05:47 PM

Gamespot has been losing credibility in my eyes for several years now. The fact that I can no longer access their site from work doesn't bother me at all. :D

CheapyD

08-09-2005, 05:47 PM

Scorch

08-09-2005, 05:48 PM

I'm not really sure how he has an argument, anyone could've seen it drop on EBGames.com. Now if it was a memo from 2K Sports to Cheapy announcing it, I could
see the big deal, but I don't know how this is an "exclusive news item".

GameSpot definitely didn't get it first, thats for sure.

I realize that posting on their message board won't fix anything (the thread has since been locked anyeay), but they have NO CONTACT INFO on their website, so its pretty much that or nothing.

No, they didn't, but that also doesn't mean that they pulled it from this site. Now if they took the podcast or your article in favor of Thompson without giving credit, I could see the big deal.

And Hitaro0, if you read this, you're a dumbass.

How should've I know that Cheapy D runs cheap ass gamer (wich I doubt. I always doubt, especially with no proof that he actually is...)

Oh, and I never actually saw the site before (or Spong whatever, thankfull), so I really had no clue if it was a good website. All I know, thke name is crap, in my opinion.

You tool. Slidecage is Einstein compared to you, Frenchie!

*slaps Hitaro0 with glove*

Quackzilla

08-09-2005, 05:49 PM

How should've I know that Cheapy D runs cheap ass gamer (wich I doubt. I always doubt, especially with no proof that he actually is...)

AnthonyRoundtree

08-09-2005, 05:49 PM

they have NO CONTACT INFO on their website, so its pretty much that or nothing.

Here ya go... (dont ask where i got this)

Gamespot
235 Second Street, 3rd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105

www.gamespot.com

phone: 415.344.2100
fax: 415.334.1222

Feel free to call them!

I don't have the specific PR contact... but.... couldnt hurt to call and ask if you cant find it online...

CheapyD

08-09-2005, 05:53 PM

I'm not really sure how he has an argument, anyone could've seen it drop on EBGames.com. Now if it was a memo from 2K Sports to Cheapy announcing it, I could see the big deal, but I don't know how this is an "exclusive news item".

Sure, they could have, but the question is...did they?
All I am asking is that if they read about it here first, they give us the source credit.
Is that really asking too much?

craven_fiend

08-09-2005, 05:53 PM

And a few people seem to cringe at the sound of cheap ass gamer, oh well, their loss is our gain.

Fight the powers that be Cheapy.

Scorch

08-09-2005, 05:53 PM

The poll in this post is not fair. I don't want to say "fuck gamespot", but gamespot clearly did not get it first.

MightySlacker

08-09-2005, 05:54 PM

And Hitaro0, if you read this, you're a dumbass.

Dave

hiccupleftovers

08-09-2005, 05:55 PM

I'm not really sure how he has an argument, anyone could've seen it drop on EBGames.com. Now if it was a memo from 2K Sports to Cheapy announcing it, I could
see the big deal, but I don't know how this is an "exclusive news item".

No, they didn't, but that also doesn't mean that they pulled it from this site. Now if they took the podcast or your article in favor of Thompson without giving credit, I could see the big deal.

And Hitaro0, if you read this, you're a dumbass.

You tool. Slidecage is Einstein compared to you, Frenchie!

*slaps Hitaro0 with glove*

Agreed. On past news items I could see where Cheapy would have the upper hand, but on this one I'm not too sure.

And Hitaro0 is just one of those GameFAQs junkies. Uggh..

Scorch

08-09-2005, 05:55 PM

Sure, they could have, but the question is...did they?
All I am asking is that if they read about it here first, they give us the source credit.
Is that really asking too much?

Right, but the keyword to all of this is "if". They have a price tracker there as well. You're automatically assuming that they stole it from CAG and demanding a source credit (if they did or didn't steal it from CAG or another site), but they have their own price tracker and could've noticed it very much so in the same way that you did.

I'm not saying you're wrong, and i'm not saying you're right. You make a valid point, but they could've found it the same way you did.

Michaellvortega

08-09-2005, 05:56 PM

shaqFU Gamespot! Cheap Ass Gamer 4 Life!

Diiz

08-09-2005, 05:56 PM

I'm not really sure how he has an argument, anyone could've seen it drop on EBGames.com. Now if it was a memo from 2K Sports to Cheapy announcing it, I could
see the big deal, but I don't know how this is an "exclusive news item".

No, they didn't, but that also doesn't mean that they pulled it from this site. Now if they took the podcast or your article in favor of Thompson without giving credit, I could see the big deal.

And Hitaro0, if you read this, you're a dumbass.

You tool. Slidecage is Einstein compared to you, Frenchie!

*slaps Hitaro0 with glove*

I used to read the CAG forum all the time, and Scorch was a total douche. I didn't stop by the forums much for a few months and come back to find myself agreeing with Scorch left and right. What happened?!?!

Anyway, I agree with him on this one... a price drop listed on ebgames.com is hardly an exclusive.

Msut77

08-09-2005, 05:56 PM

Since Cheapy D is awesome I would say he can do no wrong.

However this wasnt exactly sooper secrit news.

That said how the hell do most of the people who replied manage to play a video game with out choking on a controller?

A larger pack of feral tards I have never seen.

Noodle Pirate!

08-09-2005, 05:56 PM

Lol its not like they will admit they stole it. What did you expect?
Whether they did in this case or not, I see people steal deals from this site all the time without giving props to CAG and everyone loves them for their leet deal finding skillz.
What makes gamespot's adsite oops website any different?
I challenge anyone to find someone willing to admit they made a mistake and stole something in front of thousands of people who think they are hot poop.

AngellicLulu

08-09-2005, 05:56 PM

geez. How can you judge a site, based solely on it's name? Try visiting CAG and then drawing some opinions.

AnthonyRoundtree

08-09-2005, 05:57 PM

A larger pack of feral tards I have never seen.

i take it you've never been to GameFAQs

Mouse

08-09-2005, 05:57 PM

While CAG did have it way before Gamespot, and Gamespot didn't list a source, that doesn't nececcitate that Gamespot got it from CAG. Still, they should ALWAYS list sources, and they're being pretty bitchy about it.

But shaq-fu em, I use IGN anyways.

Wombat

08-09-2005, 05:59 PM

hooray i have a new quote for my sig. , oh and uhm Cheapy was right blah blah hail cheapy, I love ice cream.....

FriskyTanuki

08-09-2005, 06:02 PM

While I did notice that GS's article is definitely later than Cheapy's, I see no actual proof that they got it from Cheapy. They could have gone straight to EB's site for the info or anywhere else.

Scorch

08-09-2005, 06:04 PM

While I did notice that GS's article is definitely later than Cheapy's, I see no actual proof that they got it from Cheapy. They could have gone straight to EB's site for the info or anywhere else.

Hey, he repeated the exact same thing I said two or three times.

*looks around for changes in the matrix*

wbc1228

08-09-2005, 06:05 PM

I'm kind of neutral on this issue. It is hard to prove that GameSpot actually rip this info off Cheapass Gamer since this information can be access by the general public thru the actual website (Pricegrabber, Wal-mart, etc.).

I love the website cheapassgamer.com
I have to admit that CheapD does one heck of a job running this website.

BUT I don't exactly like the term "cheap ass". It makes me sound poor. I would rather call myself "frugal" instead.

Quackzilla

08-09-2005, 06:05 PM

geez. How can you judge a site, based solely on it's name?
I think I could judge tenguysfuckingadeaddonkey.com by it's name...

Gregory Kimball

08-09-2005, 06:05 PM

Another site that I frequent, www.dapreview.com, recently had a similar problem with articles that had been posted on T3's website without credit. T3 replied, saying that they didn't steal articles. DAPreview responded by saying that T3 was full of shit. I don't think it got resoved beyond that, and unfortunately, I don't think this will go any further either.

Ikohn4ever

08-09-2005, 06:07 PM

while I want to side with cheapy there just isnt enough evidence to be completely satisfied. They might have or might not have either way the lil guy (CAG) loses, it only makes us look worse if cheapy is wrong and if he was right at best there will be a small meaningless blurb somewhere.

On the other hand the posters on Gamespot seem as smart as a freckled turd, and as u all know thats not too smart

CheapyD

08-09-2005, 06:09 PM

Anyway, I agree with him on this one... a price drop listed on ebgames.com is hardly an exclusive. I disagree... it's obviously a news item and not just a price drop as its in GAMESPOT's NEWS SECTION.

If CAG is the source of GS's news article, they should credit CAG. End of story.
If this is all just (another) wacky coincidence, as unlikely as it seems, then I will suck it up and apologize. I've been wrong before so this certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Ikohn4ever

08-09-2005, 06:11 PM

AngellicLulu

08-09-2005, 06:12 PM

I think I could judge tenguysfuckingadeaddonkey.com by it's name...
hmm good point :lol:

FriskyTanuki

08-09-2005, 06:12 PM

Hey, he repeated the exact same thing I said two or three times.

*looks around for changes in the matrix*
:shock: I didn't read any posts in this thread though except for the first 2 or 3 until Cheapy posted...8-[ I'm scared.

rocksolidaudio

08-09-2005, 06:13 PM

i'm not saying whether or not he lifted the story from cheapy, but i know brendan personally and he's an awesome guy and a great writer - he wouldn't of done such a thing with any malicious intent. cheapy kicks ass as well, obviously, so i'm not taking sides, i just wanted everyone to know that brendan is a stand-up dude as well.

Chris in Cali

08-09-2005, 06:14 PM

Personally, I feel Gamespot has gone way downhill over the past two years. I used to prefer them by far to IGN, but now it's the complete opposite. Their lack of updates, terrible site designs, and ads that freeze my computer up killed it for me.

Ozzkev55

08-09-2005, 06:14 PM

Well I think gamespot is at fault for not siting there source...be it cheapassgamer or any other website

evilmregg

08-09-2005, 06:24 PM

Personally, I feel Gamespot has gone way downhill over the past two years. I used to prefer them by far to IGN, but now it's the complete opposite. There lack of updates, terrible site designs, and ads that freeze my computer up killed it for me.

I think both IGN and GameSpot are fairly close to unreadable these days, but I also think GS got the price drop info from their own EB feed and not off of CAG.

dafoomie

08-09-2005, 06:27 PM

I dunno... I mean, a lot of sites don't give CAG credit when they should, but this is kind of a simple thing that anyone can find out without ever going here. Now, if you had someone leak you the information before it was public, or on EB's website, thats different.

There have been other examples of things where another site should have definitely given credit, but anyone can just look at EB and see it.

Gamespot going downhill a bit is another story, I liked them more a couple years ago, now they're just ok. Still better than IGN though.

Saucy Jack

08-09-2005, 06:33 PM

cag1000

08-09-2005, 06:34 PM

I just like to think of Gamespot as not existing. The maturity and and true cheap assedness of the community here is above whatever they do. No one else lives all else dies, cag is the only true reality.

slidecage

08-09-2005, 06:34 PM

i felt sorry for gamespot so i gave them a vote. sort of like that last election

Aleryn

08-09-2005, 06:34 PM

Gamespot can be arrogant bastards at times, go Cheapy!

el bobo

08-09-2005, 06:35 PM

Ok I won't

CheapyD

08-09-2005, 06:38 PM

That Hitaro0 has IM and that's his SN, so if anyone has something to say to him there you go.Please don't.

Diiz

08-09-2005, 06:39 PM

I disagree... it's obviously a news item and not just a price drop as its in GAMESPOT's NEWS SECTION.

If CAG is the source of GS's news article, they should credit CAG. End of story.
If this is all just (another) wacky coincidence, as unlikely as it seems, then I will suck it up and apologize. I've been wrong before so this certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Don't get me wrong, I haven't even visited Gamespot (sans today to see that thread) in about 4 years because there are much better sites out there (ala CAG), but is it really that unlikely that with such a huge userbase as Gamespot, there is such a minimal chance that someone noticed it on there own? Kudos to you for getting it first, but considering how big of a source Gamespot is, who knows where they got their info? It could have been here, but there is also a very large chance that it wasn't.

b0bx13

08-09-2005, 06:40 PM

The way I see it is that a responsible journalist notes his source. Regardless of if it was actually ganked from here, it was irresponsible.

SkyGheNe

08-09-2005, 06:43 PM

I think both IGN and GameSpot are fairly close to unreadable these days, but I also think GS got the price drop info from their own EB feed and not off of CAG.

Uh - don't compare GS to IGN. At all. If you do - eyes - get some. Now.

Greg Kasavin is by far one of the most objective reviewers I have ever seen. Great guy.

CaseyRyback

08-09-2005, 06:44 PM

one of the editors a year or two ago did a whole article about scoring deals from both CAG and vgtalk in their weekly gamespotting (when both had similar sized user bases) so its not like they don't know about this site and I don't doubt some of them still use it.

Cheapy calling them out is completely valid because as he said this is the second time. He let it slide once, but fucking him over twice is over the line

Wombat

08-09-2005, 06:48 PM

2 people had the cajones to vote against Cheapy, fight the power, thats fighting another power, or something

jaykrue

08-09-2005, 06:57 PM

I think I could judge tenguysfuckingadeaddonkey.com by it's name...

Oh? Without clicking the link, judge this site by its name.

http://www.cummingfirst.com/

And to stay on topic, it's little shits like this fuckwad HitaroO that really piss me off.
I'm a detective, and I can easily say, with the facts that both articles are different, the site's name being "cheap ass gamer", and you being a newb, that your deduction is completely false! For all we know, "cheap ass gamer" could've copied someone else without saying! http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/shared/forum/emoticons/razz.gif Edit: Besides, the "source" that sould be credited is EBgames.com or Wal-mart, since they're the source to both news. ;p

Well, detective, seems like you already failed the first test. What school did you learn your detecting skills asshat? Elementary?

He means the site CheapAssGamer.com . Sounds like a bad site, but that's just me...

Again, Mr. Sherlock Holmes here didn't do any work yet he's automatically criticizing a site based off its name? He might want to check the example I gave Quackzilla.

How should've I know that Cheapy D runs cheap ass gamer (wich I doubt. I always doubt, especially with no proof that he actually is...)

Oh, and I never actually saw the site before (or Spong whatever, thankfull), so I really had no clue if it was a good website. All I know, thke name is crap, in my opinion. http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/shared/forum/emoticons/razz.gif

He's never seen the site before so how the fuck can he go and judge it? FUCKwad.

We can't be sure it's him or just some random person who took the same name...hey, it's a possibility. ^^;;

Let's stop this now, since I never even knew the site existed before (and I couldn't care less about it, by the way).

Oh yeah, here's where detective boy really shines! :roll: Another assumption. I swear, did you get your detective skills from watching all the Police Academy movies? I suggest you get your money back. It was obviously wasted.

People probably PMed him complaining that "you're hiding the truth! IOEHTJNOIUFhzof,ahsugiunoprhnog!!!! LO)OOOOOOOOOOZEERSZ!" or something like that... Why don't the ones who've written the article just show the source and everyone gcan shut up about it?

So now at this point he makes the implication that Cheapy D 'might' be the guy running CAG and falls back on the premise of using LOL-speak which speaks to the immature of this waste of sperm. Please, please, if you really are a cop, no offense to real cops, but you need to get shot. You're not using that DNA for anything useful anyway.:bomb:

CheapyD

08-09-2005, 07:20 PM

Cheapy calling them out is completely valid because as he said this is the second time. He let it slide once, but fucking him over twice is over the line

Yeah, actually this is the third time, but who's counting?

Buy Rite story:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/000969.php
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/06/news_6123802.html

Last year's 2k5 story:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/000824.php
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/20/news_6103052.html

kittie

08-09-2005, 07:21 PM

I don't see any reason why you're complaining...

There's no proof that this "news" was stolen. Like one of the mods there said, odds are that a site like Gamespot has the same "connections" to EA that CAG does. I can see how you might be aggravated because of this, but you really have no leg to stand on here. This is hardly CAG ORIGINAL NEWS ITEM DO NOT STEAL~!

Also, this hitaro0 jackass is only 14. Don't be too mean to children.

MaxBiaggi2

08-09-2005, 07:24 PM

Greg Kasavin is by far one of the most objective reviewers I have ever seen. Great guy.

Greg Kasavin may be ok as a journalist, but he's surrounded by enough ignorant fanboys that the entire site's reputation suffers as a result, guilt by association so to speak.

ryanbph

08-09-2005, 07:24 PM

Fuck the kid, fight the power and stick it to them cheapy...

jlarlee

08-09-2005, 07:32 PM

but frugalassgamer sounds weird
Yea I'm not wearing a t-shirt with the acronym $$$ on it. Those guys were pretty rude makes me glad I don't partake in that board

Brodiemegacorp

08-09-2005, 07:35 PM

Take the whole lot of those GameSpot bastards down. For all my gaming news, witty commentary, and random wierd shit, I come to CAG! ^_^

Zoglog

08-09-2005, 08:13 PM

In this matter I must be fair and say that there are no real grounds to say they got the information directly from this website. However the gamespot community are a bunch of morons :D

Epic Wolf

08-09-2005, 08:30 PM

GameSpot definitely didn't get it first, thats for sure.

I realize that posting on their message board won't fix anything (the thread has since been locked anyway), but they have NO CONTACT INFO on their website, so its pretty much that or nothing.
I'm a Gamespot complete member, I feel almost ashamed to admit that but here's thier toll-free customer service number : 1-866-859-7780 , I got it after I had some billing issue with them :roll: atleast it'll come in handy again ;)

sabin23

08-09-2005, 08:48 PM

Ugh... I just hope that we don't get some of those scumbag members joining here. You know, those uptight a-holes like this:

"The website's name is Cheap Assed Gamer. It doesn't sound good."

I hate it when people judge things before researching them or trying them. Well, let them have GameFAQs and the other crap places. CAG is our little treasure. :)

I didn't know CAG had such low regard in other quarters... must be the the cheapass part... but I agree with Saucy Jack, I'd rather have CAG as our own little treasure.

I'm going to side with CheapyD on this NHL2k story... Although the date of CAG's info was earlier, I must admit there's no smoking gun to prove GS ripped off CAG.

RedvsBlue

08-09-2005, 08:54 PM

Yeah, actually this is the third time, but who's counting?

Buy Rite story:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/000969.php
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/06/news_6123802.html

Last year's 2k5 story:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/000824.php
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/20/news_6103052.html

This is exactly why I support Cheapy's post on gamespot. Had this been an isolated incident then I would shrug it off as coincidence but I knew I had remembered seeing stories on here and then seeing them on gamespot (especially the Buy-rite story).

Oh, and its good to see that the mods on Gamespot's forums are so incredibly mature...

Trakan

08-09-2005, 08:57 PM

Oh, and its good to see that the mods on Gamespot's forums are so incredibly mature...

And intelligent for that matter.

help1

08-09-2005, 09:05 PM

Say hello to a few more idiots on CAG, cause GSers are worse than Gfaqers.

sisco1986

08-09-2005, 09:07 PM

Free Information belongs to all, and in this case this information wasn't exclusive so the information was fair game, sounds shady I know. If they got the information from you then yes they should have sourced this site out of consideration/respect, but they don't have too, but since the information wasn't exactly exclusive and considering there ties to the industry you just might have not been the source. If your information was 100% exclusive then yes, you should be sourced because your the one telling the world information no one can get yet. I just think it's just a coinsidence, why would gamespot need to steal information considering all there ties to the industry? I could be wrong and some slacker just doesn't feel like doing there job is ripping you off but to me just seems like a coincidence or just a lag time between stories, ah well my optimistic side is coming out.

SkyGheNe

08-09-2005, 09:41 PM

Don't really see a smoking gun in any of those cases. Had they directly ripped information from this site or had the information been exclusive to this site - and then they "magically" get a hold of it - then I'd be more suspicious.

But right now - this wouldn't hold up in the court of law.

...Unless there were witnesses.

mcgavin27

08-09-2005, 09:55 PM

Say hello to a few more idiots on CAG, cause GSers are worse than Gfaqers.
i actually learned about CAG from a gamespotter. So, after I started coming to CAG more and more often. Now, I hardly go to gamespot. Heck, i only like gamespot for the journal entries, otherwise the members and boards are normal filled with little kids with their OMFG LOL TEH HAXORZ speak, and the assholes that are common on the web.

I also agree with saucyjack. I like the popularity CAG is getting but that will soon do away the close knit communtiny that I have come to love from CAG.

Rich

08-09-2005, 09:58 PM

Gamespot is in the right here, even if they didn't post the "news" first...your poll options are clearly biased, but I chose no despite it being incorrect that GS had the story "first."

mcgavin27

08-09-2005, 10:24 PM

Gamespot is in the right here, even if they didn't post the "news" first...your poll options are clearly biased, but I chose no despite it being incorrect that GS had the story "first."
I realized after I made the poll that the responses should be clearly stated better.

So, i should of said no, "Gamespot doesn't have to give their source"
and for yes, "CheapyD had every right to get angry.

Rich

08-09-2005, 10:34 PM

Noone has any proof that Gamestop's source was even CAG.

ilikeTOFU

08-09-2005, 10:39 PM

personally i have no opinion about the truth behind this, but from what i've read from both sides i feel that gamespot did not pay enough diligence to this subject. instead the forum consisted of bashing flaming trolling and name calling.. =/ if the mods paid enough attention to the thread to lock it, why didnt they inform an admin? from the 3 pages that are on gamespot i did not find any statement from gamefaq.. i mean gamespot at all...

I don't visit websites because of their names, or not visit them because of it. with a sneak peek at their community i am very turned off to even visit them for their articles. if they dont want to visit a site because of the name, or just from 1st impressions.. fine.. so be it. not like we are missing out on anything..

javeryh

08-09-2005, 10:42 PM

Bottom line: If they saw the news at CAG and then posted it uncredited then CheapyD has every right to be pissed off. If they found the news themselves (entirely plausible) then whatever - they were 2 days late with the "hot" report. Either way, I like chicks with a tight ass and flat stomach.

Troopa

08-09-2005, 10:55 PM

I like CAG and CheapyD, but I think it was pointless to go to their forum and ask they give credit to CAG when there is no proof that they found out about it from here.

SkyGheNe

08-09-2005, 11:05 PM

No one has any proof that Gamestop's source was even CAG.

//

SkyGheNe

08-09-2005, 11:06 PM

I realized after I made the poll that the responses should be clearly stated better.

So, i should of said no, "Gamespot doesn't have to give their source"
and for yes, "CheapyD had every right to get angry.

Still biased. That poll would be based on a very poor assumption.

gameguy22006

08-09-2005, 11:20 PM

Its true there was no proof that the story was taken from CAG, but its pretty unprofessional of Gamespot to not reveal their sources...even if they did simply find it on EBGames.com

Scorch

08-09-2005, 11:22 PM

Its true there was no proof that the story was taken from CAG, but its pretty unprofessional of Gamespot to not reveal their sources...even if they did simply find it on EBGames.com

..which is what they said.

But the days of cheap pucks aren't necessarily a thing of the past, as EBgames.com updated its listings for the PlayStation 2 and Xbox versions of the game with slick new cover art featuring Dallas Stars goaltender Marty Turco and a slicker new price of $19.99.

gameguy22006

08-09-2005, 11:29 PM

..which is what they said.

Ah, didn't notice that...well, then I don't really see any fault on their part.

CheapyD

08-10-2005, 10:59 AM

So, last night I was going to post Brendan's CAG username (thanks, Google), but I decided against it (for now). I am still kind of hoping he is going to post here or at least contact me.

evilmax17

08-10-2005, 11:03 AM

So, last night I was going to post Brendan's CAG username (thanks, Google), but I decided against it (for now). I am still kind of hoping he is going to post here or at least contact me.
Do you have the ability to check user logs or anything? If you could see if he was logged in before he posted the article, you'd have the case closed easy. When was the last time he logged in?

the3rdkey

08-10-2005, 11:07 AM

This is a cool story.

Jaket

08-10-2005, 01:19 PM

sue gamestop please

ShadowRayden

08-10-2005, 02:57 PM

MaxBiaggi2

08-10-2005, 03:01 PM

Noone has any proof that Gamestop's source was even CAG.

Prove it! :D

The Successful Dropout

08-10-2005, 03:57 PM

im cag 'til i die...or at least til cheapy dies :lol: :cry:

so i say fuck em

though from what ive read, i dont know that they necessarily stole anything from us...but nothing shows that they didn't either...it also seems that from their level of maturity, i doubt they'd want to give credit (put on the spotlight) to a site that is 100 times better...they'd then lose all of their members

but one thing that i do know is that cheapy doesnt over-react...if hes pissed about something, theres a reason...and if he feels that he has enough evidence to hold someting against them, then i back him 100%

AngellicLulu

08-10-2005, 04:20 PM

From what I've gathered on these forums, Cheapy, you are a decent human being very well liked among many in this community. You are our Head Cheapskate. Without you there would not be a CAG. But dude you are being such a freaking diva right now.
I can't believe you just called Cheapy a diva. o.O
Cheapy has good reason to be upset. And I don't see any cellphones getting thrown at people's faces... therefore no divaness.

Rich

08-10-2005, 04:45 PM

but one thing that i do know is that cheapy doesnt over-react...if hes pissed about something, theres a reason...and if he feels that he has enough evidence to hold someting against them, then i back him 100%

Please, point me in the direction of this evidence.

The Successful Dropout

08-10-2005, 04:49 PM

Please, point me in the direction of this evidence.

i dont claim to know any of it

CheapyD

08-10-2005, 04:53 PM

The GS writer can deny that he read about it first here and I could never "prove" anything. The best I can do for evidence is to offer that he is an active CAG and he did post in the NHL 2k6 thread (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62045). I don't really know what other evidence I could ever hope to have.

p.s. I think I need a CheapyDiva avatar.

greydemise

08-10-2005, 05:00 PM

CAG > GS

rock on cheapy! the info was here first...and hitaroo has 2 be one of the more annoying posters ive seen in awhile..he screams game$$$s, he knows nothing about ht topic and yet, he must keep going on and on...ARG..CAG wins

AngellicLulu

08-10-2005, 05:00 PM

p.s. I think I need a CheapyDiva avatar.
I shudder to think what will come of this request. Cher Cheapy?

The Successful Dropout

08-10-2005, 05:03 PM

evilmax17

08-10-2005, 05:19 PM

Hrm, what's the purpose of this again? Are you trying to start up a witch hunt against this guy, or to turn CAGs against Gamespot (who admittingly HAS stolen articles from us in the past, although this particular instance is the weakest example)?

In my experience, airing dirty laundry is usually not the best way to get things done as it tends to just bring about bad feelings without accomplishing much else.

Some good advice, maybe this one should've stayed in the closet.

The Successful Dropout

08-10-2005, 05:26 PM

Hrm, what's the purpose of this again? Are you trying to start up a witch hunt against this guy, or to turn CAGs against Gamespot (who admittingly HAS stolen articles from us in the past, although this particular instance is the weakest example)?

Some good advice, maybe this one should've stayed in the closet.

thats basically what i meant by my post:

"but one thing that i do know is that cheapy doesnt over-react...if hes pissed about something, theres a reason...and if he feels that he has enough evidence to hold someting against them, then i back him 100%"

i know how mature cheapy is and how he doesn't get pissed over petty shit...so when he gets pissed, i know (from what i can tell) that hes rightfully pissed and his actions are justified

then again, im a raving asshole, so what do i know :lol:

CheapyD

08-10-2005, 05:31 PM

Hrm, what's the purpose of this again?To prevent it from happening again.

Besides, if GameSpot can complain about it when its done to them, why can't I?
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/071103minusworld/2.html

AngellicLulu

08-10-2005, 05:43 PM

To prevent it from happening again.

Besides, if GameSpot can complain about it when its done to them, why can't I?
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/071103minusworld/2.html
I agree. I think the only way to get someone to stop stealing is to raise a big ruckus about it. You have to put your foot down and say "hell no we won't go"
We have people stealing CAG codes and posting them on other websites, we have people taking news found and posted by CAG.
I support Cheapy's decision 100%, except posting it in the wrong forum :shame:
Maybe if Gamespot addresses these concerns seriously then we can stop this war.

Wombat

08-10-2005, 05:44 PM

To prevent it from happening again.

Besides, if GameSpot can complain about it when its done to them, why can't I?
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/071103minusworld/2.html

Okay Mr. Hughes, time to take the tissue boxes off your feet. I think I overheard the mods say something about an intervention. Seriously I don't care what Gamespot does, I come here to make snide comments and buy cheap games, and nothing gamestop can do will take that away, EVER!

CheapyD

08-10-2005, 05:48 PM

ECW_fan

08-10-2005, 05:57 PM

CaseyRyback

08-10-2005, 05:58 PM

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/cheapyd/e3/cheapymontana.jpg

cheapy you should squish them like cocaroaches

DocBledsoe

08-10-2005, 06:06 PM

At the very least it generated some nice advertisement for the site. Im not a gamespot fan anyway - hell with them. Their site really isn't compatible with firefox, that shit bugs me.

MaxBiaggi2

08-10-2005, 06:13 PM

Im not a gamespot fan anyway - hell with them.

I couldn't agree more! :D

Demolition Man

08-10-2005, 08:09 PM

I totally on CheapyD's side on this. The fact that it took two days for Gamespot to even put this same news item on their site makes me very suspicious indeed.

Besides, CAG is far better than Gamespot or GameFAQs. Then again, I'm telling you something you know already. :D

Trakan

08-10-2005, 08:25 PM

p.s. I think I need a CheapyDiva avatar.

Banky.... Up to the task? :lol:

Scrubking

08-10-2005, 08:45 PM

Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there.

Free Information belongs to all, and in this case this information wasn't exclusive so the information was fair game, sounds shady I know. If they got the information from you then yes they should have sourced this site out of consideration/respect, but they don't have too, but since the information wasn't exactly exclusive and considering there ties to the industry you just might have not been the source. If your information was 100% exclusive then yes, you should be sourced because your the one telling the world information no one can get yet.
+1

Rich

08-10-2005, 08:55 PM

kittie

08-10-2005, 10:01 PM

Looks like I ain't the only one with this problem:
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000693042786/
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000623042803/
Seems like a phone call to the CEO solved their problem.

EDIT: here is another complaint: http://www.paidcontent.org/pc/arch/2004_08_06.shtml#009379

Yes, but directly copying images from another site is a completely different story.

In this case, Gamestop didn't even copy your article in any way. It was news that you have no way of knowing that they took from this site.

I have to agree with Rich... this isn't a positive going out in public about this.

AngellicLulu

08-11-2005, 02:05 AM

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from how I take it, the person on Gamespot who wrote the article, posted in the thread on CAG (of the alleged stolen news) prior to the article being posted on Gamespot, which would be pretty good evidence in my book.

CaseyRyback

08-11-2005, 02:12 AM

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from how I take it, the person on Gamespot who wrote the article, posted in the thread on CAG (of the alleged stolen news) prior to the article being posted on Gamespot, which would be pretty good evidence in my book.

seeing as the article was posted at approx. 3:30 EST and the previous post to the bump cheapy gave it was at 12 EST that would make your assertion correct

zionoverfire

08-11-2005, 02:20 AM

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

I would say that's the best place to bring something like this up. GS and GF writers always bitch about stealing their work, it would be nice for them to acknowledge the fact that plenty of their own members of thiefs too.

RedvsBlue

08-11-2005, 02:20 AM

That quote is fucking perfect...it's exactly how I feel about this.

:applause:

Seriously, do you and Scrubking EVER disagree, or are you just the same person?

Rich

08-11-2005, 02:22 AM

Seriously, do you and Scrubking EVER disagree, or are you just the same person?

We're one in the same.

Scorch

08-11-2005, 02:22 AM

CoffeeEdge

08-11-2005, 02:40 AM

I'll toss my chips into Cheapy's pile on this one. :)

Whatever really happened here, Gamespot can bite me. They're only a few steps above IGN, if you ask me.

chunk

08-11-2005, 02:44 AM

I think it is stupid for Cheapy to complain. I mean, this site was founded on disrespecting retailers' requests to NOT post deals from ads elsewhere. In fact, retailers have tried to invoke copyright laws to make it illegal to report sale prices (Bestbuy comes to mind).

What Cheapy is asking for is equivalent to a BSD-style license (you can use it, but just give credit). However, Cheapy clearly does not have the copyright to the deals, so his desire for a BSD-style license is meaningless, just like retailers' requests for a STFU-style license is meaningless.

If anyone's deal-copying requests should be honored then it is the retailers. However, I think we all share my sentiment when I say "fuck the retailers". Therefore, no matter how much I love and respect Cheapy, it's only fair to also say "fuck Cheapy".

Rich

08-11-2005, 02:47 AM

I agree. I would've said this but I don't have the balls to tell that to the owner of the site.

Pussy. I don't care if he's fucking Jesus, I'm going to call him out when he does something stupid like this.

RedvsBlue

08-11-2005, 02:50 AM

Pussy. I don't care if he's fucking Jesus, I'm going to call him out when he does something stupid like this.

Wow, your really shooting the moon on this one aren't ya?

Rich

08-11-2005, 02:58 AM

Wow, your really shooting the moon on this one aren't ya?

Unlike 99% of CAG, I don't hold Cheapy to double standards. I respect him as much as I respect most of the other members, but I'm not going to agree with everything he does and says like so many people here...this isn't a cult.

He could ban me if he liked, but that speaks more of his character than mine.

RedvsBlue

08-11-2005, 03:04 AM

Unlike 99% of CAG, I don't hold Cheapy to double standards. I respect him as much as I respect most of the other members, but I'm not going to agree with everything he does and says like so many people here...this isn't a cult.

He could ban me if he liked, but that speaks more of his character than mine.

Its one thing to disagree with someone and its another to be so vocal about calling their actions "stupid".

I don't see it as a matter of respect because he's some "cult" leader. Personally, I see myself as a visitor to the site that is owned by CheapyD and as if I were a visitor in someone's home, I will always show them respect. I feel that part of that respect is to not insult someone.

Rich

08-11-2005, 03:12 AM

I've yet to insult him; I called his action stupid, not him.

alonzomourning23

08-11-2005, 03:22 AM

I'm not sure if I agree that they're taking them from CAG, I just thought the message board post came off as childish.

BLarR

08-11-2005, 03:22 AM

The poll doesn't cover enough choice wise. Some people could just be bashing GS for the retarded "pay for a different color template (ice)" thing.

CocheseUGA

08-11-2005, 07:54 AM

If it was a credible and respected website that lifted the news, I might be concerned. But GS is neither credible or respected much anymore. They are a joke. No serious gamer I've ever met reads their filth, or dares to go into that simian fecal throwing mess they call their forums. The bright colors and graphics? That's for the ADHD crowd.

Even if you are wrong, it doesn't matter. No apology could ever be understood, as higher forms of thinkers don't regularly post there.

BTW, I actually had to defend CAG on FW the other day:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=0&catid=18&threadid=505570

CheapyD

08-11-2005, 01:12 PM

I mean, this site was founded on disrespecting retailers' requests to NOT post deals from ads elsewhere.This is a completely false statement.

1) CAG was founded as a place for people to find cheap video games.
2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.

sabin23

08-11-2005, 01:46 PM

2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.

I can tell you definitely have a good relationship with EB after all those CAGs were screwed out of their Syphon Filter gift vouchers, and you were able to get EB to honor it.

But how are you able to maintain good relationships with retailers?

It seems with all the leaked info, super-cheap games and crazy deals (price glitches, absurd one-sided trade-ins, flipping, etc.) that can be found on CAG, most companies would be pissed at you and CAG... I guess in the long run, those companies are still making money on us and people from this site.

WhipSmartBanky

08-11-2005, 01:49 PM

I can tell you definitely have a good relationship with EB after all those CAGs were screwed out of their Syphon Filter gift vouchers, and you were able to get EB to honor it.

But how are you able to maintain good relationships with retailers?

It seems with all the leaked info, super-cheap games and crazy deals (price glitches, absurd one-sided trade-ins, flipping, etc.) that can be found on CAG, most companies would be pissed at you and CAG... I guess in the long run, those companies are still making money on us and people from this site.
Merchandise that is just sitting in a warehouse not moving is worthless. Don't feel sorry for the retailers...discounted or not, they're still raking in money hand over fist via sales from CAG.

chunk

08-11-2005, 01:59 PM

This is a completely false statement.

1) CAG was founded as a place for people to find cheap video games.
2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.

Well maybe not CAG specifically, but when deal sites in general started popping up most retailers weren't happy about it for the reasons sabin23 posted. I remember an incident on FatWallet where BestBuy tried to use the DMCA to prevent Black Friday deal posting and I remember that BestBuy wasn't the only one trying to use copyright laws to keep their deals under wraps.

I guess most retailers have learned to live with the existence of deal sites and incorporate them into their business models, but I don't think there was always such a symbiotic relationship.

Your comments?

CheapyD

08-11-2005, 02:51 PM

Well maybe not CAG specifically, but when deal sites in general started popping up most retailers weren't happy about it for the reasons sabin23 posted. I remember an incident on FatWallet where BestBuy tried to use the DMCA to prevent Black Friday deal posting and I remember that BestBuy wasn't the only one trying to use copyright laws to keep their deals under wraps.

I guess most retailers have learned to live with the existence of deal sites and incorporate them into their business models, but I don't think there was always such a symbiotic relationship.

Your comments?

That is all true.
Best Buy (& Walmart) did go after Fatwallet and then Fatwallet counter-sued. Nothing came of any of it, except the lawyers made some money. Neither side could prove that the other were causing any actual damages.

Best Buy has been the most vocal about eliminating relationships with "deal sites" and their "devil customers".

evanft

08-11-2005, 02:52 PM

Speaking of BB and it's hate for devil customers, whena re you gonna post that article you mentioned in the CAGcast?

chunk

08-11-2005, 03:54 PM

That is all true.
Best Buy (& Walmart) did go after Fatwallet and then Fatwallet counter-sued. Nothing came of any of it, except the lawyers made some money. Neither side could prove that the other were causing any actual damages.

Best Buy has been the most vocal about eliminating relationships with "deal sites" and their "devil customers".

So do you think Bestbuy, Walmart, etc. would like you to stop hosting information on their deals?

CheapyD

08-11-2005, 04:13 PM

So do you think Bestbuy, Walmart, etc. would like you to stop hosting information on their deals?Since Best Buy dropped CAG from their affiliate program, probably, but who knows? I still don't understand how a retailer can complain about your customers "taking advantage" of their sales, if they are the one creating the promotions!

The other retailers would contact me and/or drop CAG from their affiliate programs if they wanted us to stop posting deals. Of course, this would have no real effect on the deal postings, but a lot of big companies are pretty short sighted. CAG has a big enough audience at this point, that it will survive even if every retailer drops us from their programs.

In fact, dropping CAG from an affiliate program would tend to produce opposite of the desired effect. If CAG is not a part of a retailer's affiliate program, that means there is no relationship between the two companies so we are pretty much free to do whatever we want.

For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).

If a relationship like this was to end, I would really have no reason to let the retailer know about their errors other than the fact that promoting obvious pricing errors tends to create problems on both the customer and retailer side.

cheapfrag

08-11-2005, 05:16 PM

So where do most CAGs go for reviews of games, if not gamespot? I like to read up on a game before I drop $40-50 on it.

doraemonkerpal

08-11-2005, 05:36 PM

So where do most CAGs go for reviews of games, if not gamespot? I like to read up on a game before I drop $40-50 on it.

www.gamerankings.com (http://www.gamerankings.com) 8-)

it will give you the avg score from a wide variety of reviewers (including gamespot).

chunk

08-11-2005, 07:14 PM

Since Best Buy dropped CAG from their affiliate program, probably, but who knows? I still don't understand how a retailer can complain about your customers "taking advantage" of their sales, if they are the one creating the promotions!

The other retailers would contact me and/or drop CAG from their affiliate programs if they wanted us to stop posting deals. Of course, this would have no real effect on the deal postings, but a lot of big companies are pretty short sighted. CAG has a big enough audience at this point, that it will survive even if every retailer drops us from their programs.

In fact, dropping CAG from an affiliate program would tend to produce opposite of the desired effect. If CAG is not a part of a retailer's affiliate program, that means there is no relationship between the two companies so we are pretty much free to do whatever we want.

For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).

If a relationship like this was to end, I would really have no reason to let the retailer know about their errors other than the fact that promoting obvious pricing errors tends to create problems on both the customer and retailer side.

I was going to follow up with something about "if you don't care what BestBuy thinks then why should GameSpot care what you think?", but I've lost the desire to interrogate you. :p ;)

Anyway, just out of curiosity, since you're a man with contacts on the inside, why does EB have those crazy price drops (you know the kind I'm talking about....where a game can go from $50 down to $10 and back up to $50 in an hour)? Is it by mistake or on purpose?

ilikeTOFU

08-12-2005, 06:44 AM

Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there.

+1

game$$$s.. i mean gamefaqs... rofl... are you kidding me...

i think cheapy did not dent CAG's image at all, in fact helped hits... i can imagine a spike in hits after the incident.. you know what they say, any publicity is good publicity.

people will go to game$$$s, gs to be a monkey, and will come to CAG to eat bananas...

doodle777_98

08-16-2005, 11:02 PM

fuck gamespot. Fuck ign. Fuck gamespot. Fuck gamefaqs. Long Live CAG and Cheapyd. Call me a CAG fanboy if you want, its a fucking good thing to me.

kittie

08-20-2005, 01:51 AM

zionoverfire

08-20-2005, 01:58 AM

I'm a rare one that agrees with you, especially since Cheapy showed his true colors in dealing with me.

You mean his ability to be sensible?:D

wubb

08-22-2005, 06:16 PM

For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).

I guess you gotta do what you gotta do, but anything that kills deals is bad IMO. I know people bitch about the FW effect, but I doubt their admins tip off retailers to the good deals even if they are mistakes.

ryanflucas

08-22-2005, 09:33 PM

GameSpot definitely didn't get it first, thats for sure.

I realize that posting on their message board won't fix anything (the thread has since been locked anyway), but they have NO CONTACT INFO on their website, so its pretty much that or nothing.

I didn't read all the way down the page here, but I did a whois and found the following contact info:

Registrant:
CNET Networks, Inc
(DOM-311616)
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US

Domain Name: gamespot.com

Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

Administrative Contact:
Host Master
(NIC-1500677)
CNET Networks, Inc
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US
hostmaster@cnet.com +1.4153442000 Fax- +1.4153442000
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Host Master
(NIC-1500677)
CNET Networks, Inc
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US
hostmaster@cnet.com +1.4153442000 Fax- +1.4153442000