Is this Nintendo's time to pull ahead of Sony, Microsoft?

[Grave_Addiction]

With the recent announcement of Microsoft's Xbox 360 priced at $400 and Sony already stating the PS3 is going to cost a lot of money, does anyone else see this as a perfect opportunity for Nintendo to really steal alot of sales from Microsoft and Sony?

If Nintendo can come in with a unit priced at $199, it will be a huge advantage, in my opinion. Nintendo has already stated they are using older technology to cut down costs of the console, and they've said it will be the cheapest console out there.

I don't have numbers, but I think it really helped Nintendo early on this generation when they only had a $100 difference. Could you think what a $200 difference could make?

Personally, I just don't have the extra cash to throw down $500 on launch day for an Xbox 360 or PS3 with a game and extra controller.

Can you imagine if the Revo launched at $200, Nintendo keeps all its first-party games at $50 and has a lot of the same third-party games that the Xbox 360 and PS3 have? And that's not even taking into account the ability to emulate all of Nintendo's back log of video games and the Revo's mysterious controller!

Nintendo is trying to cater more to third parties than ever before with dev kits that are extremely easy to use and games that should cost less to make than their competitors.

Also, if Nintendo keeps its earlier promise of free online gameplay, it will only further distance itself from their way higher-priced competitors.

I really hope Nintendo sees the opportunity they've been given by Sony and Microsoft. The Revolution is going to be a gamer's system. It won't do all the extra things that really have nothing to do with gaming. I applaud Nintendo for sticking with the gaming-first mentality and not getting swooped up in the multimedia hype that Microsoft and Sony have been saying is so important.

With a price difference of more than $200, free online gameplay, hundreds of classic Nintendo games to emulate, Gamecube backwards compatibility and a unique controller, it seems Nintendo could really sneak up on Sony and Microsoft this generation.

[maxflight]

i personally think the $199 price point is too low. probably $249 or something would be sweeter. an average unknowledgable consumer sees the price difference and automatically deduce that there's something missing on the revo versus the xbox 360 or ps3. i think even better would be the same price ($299 or so), but throw in a pack in game. this would not lead them to the same thought.

[Morrigan Lover]

Never underestimate the amount of money parents will spend to shut their spoiled children up.

[MrFriday18]

I will be the cheapest,but so was the gamecube. The Gc had great graphics but no games. The revelution will have great graphics but no games. The revolution will be good but will go the same rout of the gamecube.

[Dogpatch]

$200 range
3rd party support (really need this, even if the 1st party stuff rocks)
Nintendo's whole library of games
and a friggin controller they will not even show

They do have a very good chance at grabbing some market share with the main stream consumers. I know alot of people would love to have next gen without breaking the bank. Even though it is less powerful than the other 2, Nintendo has always done well with less. I love to have all the bells and whistles, but I'm happy they are sticking to a gaming console. Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy the 360 and PS3. That's the gamer in me.

[Grave_Addiction]

i personally think the $199 price point is too low. probably $249 or something would be sweeter. an average unknowledgable consumer sees the price difference and automatically deduce that there's something missing on the revo versus the xbox 360 or ps3. i think even better would be the same price ($299 or so), but throw in a pack in game. this would not lead them to the same thought.

But when you're talking about ignorant consumers, which is more than likely going to be parents and not the majority of gamers, Nintendo still has a lot of credibility.

If you see three systems sitting on the shelves with the same third party games, but one system is $200 cheaper, which one do you think most ignorant consumers are going to want? Personally, I think it will be the cheaper one.

[javeryh]

I think Nintendo has a great shot of being everyone's second console. For me it's going to be PS3 or 360 (neither at launch and they will fight it out until I make my decision) but I know for sure I will be buying a Revolution probably at launch.

The ONLY thing they need to do to ensure success is to package the console with 2 controllers - one fancy new one for all of the first-party games and for developers looking to innovate and the other a modified SNES pad/dual shock with 6 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, 2 analog sticks and a d-pad for playing all the third party games. If it adds $20-$30 to the overall cost of the console so what? They will be pleasing third parties (and us consumers) right out of the gate...

[MrFriday18]

The weird thing is I will be purchasing a Revolution.

[basketkase543]

With the recent announcement of Microsoft's Xbox 360 priced at $400 and Sony already stating the PS3 is going to cost a lot of money, does anyone else see this as a perfect opportunity for Nintendo to really steal alot of sales from Microsoft and Sony?

If Nintendo can come in with a unit priced at $199, it will be a huge advantage, in my opinion. Nintendo has already stated they are using older technology to cut down costs of the console, and they've said it will be the cheapest console out there.

I don't have numbers, but I think it really helped Nintendo early on this generation when they only had a $100 difference. Could you think what a $200 difference could make?

Personally, I just don't have the extra cash to throw down $500 on launch day for an Xbox 360 or PS3 with a game and extra controller.

Can you imagine if the Revo launched at $200, Nintendo keeps all its first-party games at $50 and has a lot of the same third-party games that the Xbox 360 and PS3 have? And that's not even taking into account the ability to emulate all of Nintendo's back log of video games and the Revo's mysterious controller!

Nintendo is trying to cater more to third parties than ever before with dev kits that are extremely easy to use and games that should cost less to make than their competitors.

Also, if Nintendo keeps its earlier promise of free online gameplay, it will only further distance itself from their way higher-priced competitors.

I really hope Nintendo sees the opportunity they've been given by Sony and Microsoft. The Revolution is going to be a gamer's system. It won't do all the extra things that really have nothing to do with gaming. I applaud Nintendo for sticking with the gaming-first mentality and not getting swooped up in the multimedia hype that Microsoft and Sony have been saying is so important.

With a price difference of more than $200, free online gameplay, hundreds of classic Nintendo games to emulate, Gamecube backwards compatibility and a unique controller, it seems Nintendo could really sneak up on Sony and Microsoft this generation.

The biggest problem about this theory is that you have to think of the Revo as not just being (approx) $200 cheaper than the competition. The BIG question right now is, WHY upgrade to the revolution? That is just something we don't know yet. So while it may be a lot cheaper than PS3 and Xbox 360, they still need to find a way to convince people to shell out cash for a new system that will not offer a large graphical leap from the gamecube. But if Nintendo really does pull off the revolutionary aspect of the system, and price it along the lines we've been discussing, then they might very well have a winner on their hands.

[hoofrog]

The biggest problem about this theory is that you have to think of the Revo as not just being (approx) $200 cheaper than the competition. The BIG question right now is, WHY upgrade to the revolution? That is just something we don't know yet. So while it may be a lot cheaper than PS3 and Xbox 360, they still need to find a way to convince people to shell out cash for a new system that will not offer a large graphical leap from the gamecube. But if Nintendo really does pull off the revolutionary aspect of the system, and price it along the lines we've been discussing, then they might very well have a winner on their hands.

Very good point.

[Grave_Addiction]

I will be the cheapest,but so was the gamecube. The Gc had great graphics but no games. The revelution will have great graphics but no games. The revolution will be good but will go the same rout of the gamecube.

I don't think that's true at all. With everything I've read, Nintendo realizes it lost a substantial amount of third-party support with the N64 and Gamecube. They are taking the measures so that won't happen this time around.

I think, with dev kits that are cheap, fast and easy to use, Nintendo can get a lot of support from the smaller third-parties out there.

I think the Revo will be very profitable for Nintendo and for Nintendo to take back some market share this generation.

[Snake2715]

I am in on the revolution also...

Now here I go with the Eb employee said line... I understand most the time thye dont know whats even up.

But in a short convo yesterday the guy was talking about how he was really excited for the revolution. (It go t brought up during the Zelda delay) and he told me he has had quite a few people in the store already asking about the revolution and it playing all the previous games.

that came as a shock to me as I didnt figure it would have that much hype this early on for that feature alone.

This could turn out to be a closer race. The only company i see that stands to lose is Sony. Not because they are bad but because they were so far ahead this time around. So it will be closer all around.

[the3rdkey]

I think it is Nintendos time to be Nintendo. Release great games every couple years for the console and make kick ass handheld games.

[Grave_Addiction]

The biggest problem about this theory is that you have to think of the Revo as not just being (approx) $200 cheaper than the competition. The BIG question right now is, WHY upgrade to the revolution? That is just something we don't know yet. So while it may be a lot cheaper than PS3 and Xbox 360, they still need to find a way to convince people to shell out cash for a new system that will not offer a large graphical leap from the gamecube. But if Nintendo really does pull off the revolutionary aspect of the system, and price it along the lines we've been discussing, then they might very well have a winner on their hands.

You're basing the only reason for people to purchase a new system on how large a graphical leap it makes over its predecessor. While that may have been the case in the past, we're not going to see a huge leap like we have before.

Nintendo has stated the Revo to be about two to three times more powerful than the Gamecube. That's a very honest assessment, while Sony and Microsoft have been talking behind inflated numbers and trying outpower each other.

But the important thing this generation is going to be what the console can do for the gamer, not just about the grapics, in my opinion. Sony and Microsoft think gamers want multimedia, while Nintendo wants to broaden its system's game-playing abilities.

All three companies know the importance of community this time around, so we can all bet to see highly advanced and deep online services, but Nintendo's is going to be the only one that's free.

While we're still waiting with bated breath on what the Revolution is going to revolutionize, I think Nintendo has already built a very powerful machine that is going to do a helluva lot for a very reasonable price.

[javeryh]

Nintendo has stated the Revo to be about two to three times more powerful than the Gamecube. That's a very honest assessment, while Sony and Microsoft have been talking behind inflated numbers and trying outpower each other.

yeah but both the 360 and PS3 will support 16x9 and high definition. That puts Nintendo at a significant disadvantageright from the start, IMO. Ultimately, when deciding to jump into the next generation - especially the early adopters - graphics are really all that matter (well maybe 80% graphics and 20% gameplay) to the average consumer.

[daschrier]

Well price point is a very difficult thing to decide. If you have a name brand item like a TV, and a "generic" brand that is the exact same thing, but cheaper....people will always assume the name brand thing is better. It's just the way the mind works. If nintendo goes too cheap on the console people will think it sucks, or maybe fanboys will...parents might like it as they can get it for gifts/xmas etc. They have to price it at a point where they are in good competition without artifically degrading the value/worth of their console.

[Tromack]

yeah but both the 360 and PS3 will support 16x9 and high definition. That puts Nintendo at a significant disadvantageright from the start, IMO. Ultimately, when deciding to jump into the next generation - especially the early adopters - graphics are really all that matter (well maybe 80% graphics and 20% gameplay) to the average consumer.

I don't think it's important as everyone is making it out to be. How many people truly have HD televisions? I'd be willing to wager it is a small fraction of the people who have highspeed internet, which is a relatively small fraction of people buying videogames.

[javeryh]

I don't think it's important as everyone is making it out to be. How many people truly have HD televisions? I'd be willing to wager it is a small fraction of the people who have highspeed internet, which is a relatively small fraction of people buying videogames.

I know that's the case right now but the PS3 isn't shipping until next year and HDTVs are getting cheaper and cheaper. They aren't only for people with extra cash laying around anymore. I'm willing to bet that more people are buying HD sets than any other kind because a TV is at least a 5 year investment and everyone is saying 5 years from now HD will be the standard. I think you are right in the short term for the next 2 years or so but I bet by the mid to end of the next gen Revolution games are going to be laughable to most people compared to what Microsoft and especially Sony are putting out there...

[Grave_Addiction]

yeah but both the 360 and PS3 will support 16x9 and high definition. That puts Nintendo at a significant disadvantageright from the start, IMO. Ultimately, when deciding to jump into the next generation - especially the early adopters - graphics are really all that matter (well maybe 80% graphics and 20% gameplay) to the average consumer.

I don't think it's as significant as you might think. HDTV owners are still a very small percentage right now. In several years, that might change, but I don't think it's going to cause someone to not buy the system.

Well price point is a very difficult thing to decide. If you have a name brand item like a TV, and a "generic" brand that is the exact same thing, but cheaper....people will always assume the name brand thing is better. It's just the way the mind works. If nintendo goes too cheap on the console people will think it sucks, or maybe fanboys will...parents might like it as they can get it for gifts/xmas etc. They have to price it at a point where they are in good competition without artifically degrading the value/worth of their console.

The problem with your theory is Nintendo is not a generic brand, but a name brand.

[kev]

I don't think that's true at all. With everything I've read, Nintendo realizes it lost a substantial amount of third-party support with the N64 and Gamecube. They are taking the measures so that won't happen this time around.

They say that EVERY year at their investor's meetings. They've been saying since midway through the N64s lifespan.

Nintendo does not have the market appeal that it once did and there's no way it finishes higher than 3rd this time around in the US unless Microsoft truly flames out. There are plenty of recovering-Nintendo fanboys (myself included) who were hugely disappointed in the GCN. GCN is the only console I've ever bought on launch day. Now I own all 3 and have far, far fewer GCN titles than I do for the other 2.

Nintendo has to prove that they can do online, they have to prove they can do 3rd parties and they have to prove they won't rip me off by charging me $20 to play Super Mario Bros off a freaking memory card. I'd say Nintendo can redeem themselves and set up for 6 years from now with the Revo but they aren't retaking the market.

[wbc1228]

I seriously doubt Nintendo can pull ahead of Sony (they might have a chance slapping microsoft). I don't think price alone with be big enough of an advantage for Nintendo to take the lead. After all, Nintendo GameCube was cheaper than the Playstation2.

[jkam]

Nintendo has a really really great advantage this generation. They are being smart. However I hope they use all of their advantages this time around. Here are some examples:

Cheaper development costs: This will entice 3rd parties because less money making a game means more money in their pockets.

Old School Games: 3rd parties SHOULD really be all over this one...it has been shown that collections of old games sell fairly well so now have them available as downloads for a price which equals no out of pocket expense for them; since no discs will be involved.

Old Nintendo Games: The idea of having one system to play every game I want in a small compact form is just mind blowing. While not everyone will be enticed Nintendo has enough classics to make this important. Now everyone will get a chance to play Mario RPG and the like. All they need to do is keep the pricing reasonable.

Online: Not new in any sense but I'm sure Nintendo will have a nice network as they wouldn't do it any other way. It's also free which is a plus. As for 3rd parties....they can charge if they want to which I'm sure some would jump on that boat.

Controllers: The obvious question mark of what the new controller will be and if it will have an impact on current generation gaming. The big plus is they added gamecube controller ports so I get to keep my Wavebird which could also still be used for "Normal current gen games". I also have my handy Hori SNES style controller which I can use for the old school games.

Disc based media: Obviously cheaper than cartridges but also less than HD-DVD or BLU-RAY.

System Power: Although 2 or 3 times more powerful than a Gamecube seems slim...Nintendo has always used what the system has to offer well. I suspect this won't hurt them too much until quite a few years into the next gen. Which hopefully by that time they can gain a lot of market share.

System Durability: Ok kind of stupid to post this but the one thing I will never understand is why more gamers don't buy 3rd party games for the CUBE. They often have such minimal load times it makes the experience so much better. Yeah it is a minor detail but I've played 2 versions of some games and the difference in time is pretty big (Especially to those of us who don't get to game as much as they used to). As for durability of the console I would be more confident in paying $400 for a Nintendo console rather than a Sony console. That's just from personal experience. My Nintendo consoles haven't crapped out on me.

I'm thinking if they come out with the Revolutuion around $200-$250 along with Mario 128, Online Smash Bros., and a new Zelda they will be a force to be reckoned with. Obviously that is wishful thinking but by already dropping the DS $20 it tells me Nintendo isn't laying down anymore.

These are just some thoughts but they do have a lot going for them at this point. They really need to capatilize on it.

[howlinmad]

But when you're talking about ignorant consumers, which is more than likely going to be parents and not the majority of gamers, Nintendo still has a lot of credibility.

If you see three systems sitting on the shelves with the same third party games, but one system is $200 cheaper, which one do you think most ignorant consumers are going to want? Personally, I think it will be the cheaper one.

You are forgetting one thing. To the common dumbass, higher price and Sony obviously means better.

Sony could release a high defect rate overpriced console and flat out lie about it's ability with promised broadband, with 10 launch titles, 3 being the same table sport, 1 being a sports game, 1 good x-sport game, and the rest hit or miss titles, and still be number 1.

Microsoft could release a massive cinder brick with a controller that fits in your lap with a few more games, and 1 highly hyped FPS promised in the future that people played better for years on PC, also including broadband out of the box and it would still be number 2.

Nintendo could innovate the industry with simple games that are really addictive and fun, and STILL be number 3.

I personally would love to see Nintendo give the other two something to think about this time.

[wubb]

If they get real 3rd party support then it could happen. But I'll believe that when I see it.

[daschrier]

I don't think it's as significant as you might think. HDTV owners are still a very small percentage right now. In several years, that might change, but I don't think it's going to cause someone to not buy the system.



The problem with your theory is Nintendo is not a generic brand, but a name brand.


I agree, but it still has some effect....I mean hell there's fan boys who say the Cube suck because some games require more than 1 disc...

[megashock5]

I think Nintendo has a great shot of being everyone's second console. For me it's going to be PS3 or 360 (neither at launch and they will fight it out until I make my decision) but I know for sure I will be buying a Revolution probably at launch.


Yeah, that's the thing. I'll most likey get two consoles. If the PS3 comes in at $399 or higher then I'll wait for a price drop and then decide between it and the 360 depending on the games available at that time. If Nintendo can deliver in the neighborhood of $200 then I'm willing to jump in at launch. The lower price justifies a purchase for first-party games even if third-party support isn't that great.

[mforge]

You are forgetting one thing. To the common dumbass, higher price and Sony obviously means better.

Sony could release a high defect rate overpriced console and flat out lie about it's ability with promised broadband, with 10 launch titles, 3 being the same table sport, 1 being a sports game, 1 good x-sport game, and the rest hit or miss titles, and still be number 1.

Microsoft could release a massive cinder brick with a controller that fits in your lap with a few more games, and 1 highly hyped FPS promised in the future that people played better for years on PC, also including broadband out of the box and it would still be number 2.

Nintendo could innovate the industry with simple games that are really addictive and fun, and STILL be number 3.

I personally would love to see Nintendo give the other two something to think about this time.

This is pretty much on the money regarding Nintendo's chances. A lot of their fate is out of their control--they lost a lot of market share and mindshare to Sony and Microsoft, and now they basically have to wait for them to screw up. Is $400+ per console a screw-up? Possibly. It will be interesting.

What Revolution needs to show is that its technology is in the same ballpark as PS3 and Xbox 360. Clearly no one gave a damn that the PS2 was moderately less powerful (to be generous) than either of the competing systems. If the Revolution can reasonably hang with the PS3 and 360 it will be in very good shape.

I don't think HD will be a huge issue. Definitely not when everything launches next year, and by the time people start caring about whether a console supports HD, I suspect one of the consoles will have pulled away from the pack and it won't matter. If one thing has held true through all the years of the console wars, it is that it's nearly impossible to play catch-up in one generation.

[ryanbph]

Nintendo had some third party support, ie the capcom 5...resident evil exclusivity, but the nintendo fans, want nintendo made games. I will be getting a revolution, but nintendo's fans are partly to blame for the lack of third party support, and I don't think that will change.

[undyingforce5]

If you see three systems sitting on the shelves with the same third party games, but one system is $200 cheaper, which one do you think most ignorant consumers are going to want? Personally, I think it will be the cheaper one.

sad thing is that you wont see most of the third party games on all consoles. why would a development company make a graphics heavy game (like Resident Evil 5) and then numb down the visuals for a less capable system?

third party games are all ready being made and Nintendo is all ready getting the cold shoulder. Nintendos future is looking bleak but i know im getting my revo on launch day.

i know 2 other people that own a GCNs (my brother & Nephew)...there s so many nintendo haters out there. they will not budge come next generation...especially if they know the big N has a less capable system (graphics wise) with less 3rd party support (which they will have...dont doubt yourself. nintendo is in a huge hole with 3rd parties...i dont see them getting out with a less capable system (graphics wise)

[undyingforce5]

Nintendo had some third party support, ie the capcom 5...resident evil exclusivity, but the nintendo fans, want nintendo made games. I will be getting a revolution, but nintendo's fans are partly to blame for the lack of third party support, and I don't think that will change.

if i remember correctly only 1 of the 5 was actually an exclusive (PN05) which sucked balls.
dead phoenix never came to be
viewtiful joe went to ps2
resident evil 4 is going to ps2
killer 7 went to the ps2

Nintendo doenst have good 3rd party support anymore..and i dont see them coming back next generation

[Snake2715]

Did this same convo happen on Gamecubes pre launch?

The problem with the ports is they are always half assed. Mk was one of the only ones where they added some good features... and I never did buy it.

The reality is Nintendo has gained respect the last year os so. Now they may be losing it again with pretty much a bare outlook on games for the cube.. But it will all be forgotten if Zelda drops and is an AAA title.

I for one had pegged it this way next gen? 1 MS, 2 Sony, 3 Nintendo... But Microsoft has been slipping now... So who knows maybe Sony will slip also.

The funny thing is its been 12 years since they really had the crown in home consoles yet a lot of people give them respect still. Their games have not lost it. Their business practice has.


Lets look into the future.. Depending on the launch window who thinks it will launch US first like the DS? If Sony and Nintendo get pushed until fall of 2006 is it possible to launch US first?

[Ikohn4ever]

i think one real solid way that the revolution can comeout of the gate strong is including the mario game with the first couple waves of Revolution. Its all about people buying the console, once that is out of the way people will buy games on their own. Even if they are going to lose some money, I think its a better move in the long run. Or at the most maybe charge like 10 bucks extra for a revo and the mario game. When people see game included they will buy it like hot cakes.

[MarkMark]

I see the reason nintendo not releasing any true specific specs as to keep people interested. You have to admit love or hate nintendo all the mystery around the revo has generated so much interest (as well as fan hype, revo fake mockups, and debate) you have micro and sony standing outside naked argueing which one of thier dicks is bigger while nintendo modestly remains nearby. Make what you will of it but they have suceeded in getting the attention of everyone lovers and haters alike. people want to see wtf they have to offer since we have no freaking idea yet

[jkam]

sad thing is that you wont see most of the third party games on all consoles. why would a development company make a graphics heavy game (like Resident Evil 5) and then numb down the visuals for a less capable system?

third party games are all ready being made and Nintendo is all ready getting the cold shoulder. Nintendos future is looking bleak but i know im getting my revo on launch day.

i know 2 other people that own a GCNs (my brother & Nephew)...there s so many nintendo haters out there. they will not budge come next generation...especially if they know the big N has a less capable system (graphics wise) with less 3rd party support (which they will have...dont doubt yourself. nintendo is in a huge hole with 3rd parties...i dont see them getting out with a less capable system (graphics wise)

3rd party support is lacking but it seems as if the Revo is the perfect console to sway them back. Cheaper development means more money for 3rd parties. Old school downloads would also be a quick money maker for them. It's yet to be seen if 1. Nintendo will push this to third parties and 2. If third parties will bite. I think if enough people hold off on buying $60 games then Nintendo may be the saving grace of the industry. At least that seems to be the approach they are taking.

As for the graphics I think since a few have already pegged next gen consoles hard to write code for the graphical difference won't show up until a year or more down the road. By that time Nintendo will have either gained steam or lost more by then.

[Grave_Addiction]

Ubisoft pledges support for Revolution

Nintendo fans can breath a sigh of release with the announcement that Ubisoft is committed to the Revolution — along with the Xbox 360 & PS3. The French publisher has certainly made itself a major player in the gaming industry this generation and its popularity coupled with the quality of its titles looks to be carrying over into the next-gen. Few publishers have made public commitments to the Revolution, which further sets the stage for a possible underdog victory. We know (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000480054841/) you all are rooting for the Big N.

-joystiq.com

Well, there's one really awesome third-party developer who's on board.

[Blitz]

Once again at the end of the day it's not going to matter who sold the most or what people like us think. It is going to matter who takes the most $$$ home.

People get so caught up in what sells the most and not what really matters, who goes home with the dough. That is why I laugh when you hear "Nintendo is going under, this is their last console. They can't compete with Sony and M$". Nintendo is not going under anytime soon.

I know I am getting a Revo at launch. PS3 I am not sure. I will get one if the price is right. But if not at launch I will get one down the line. 360 I probably won't buy unless they bring out games that I like. I didn't buy the X-Box for that reason and if they go the same route for the 360 I will not buy it either. What is the point of buying a console when I can play most of the games on my PC and they look better?

[floormat]

well here's my take on it.

I am gonna buy a revolution because I want to. I am fairly confident there will be several games i'll enjoy on it.

Problem is there are literally millions of parents who will buy whatever the store clerk tells them.

Since the start of this current generation.

About 65% of the time they have tried to sell me an xbox based soley on the term "most powerful" I purchased a xbox through a price match at sears from a meijers ad thread on CAG and ended up getting it for 94.95 + tax. I enjoyed Secret Weapons over Normandy and halo one and two. To be honest not much else of the dozens of games I tried mostly didn't hold intrest to long and no others held my intrest to complet them save the three mentioned.

about 25 % of the time a ps2 was suggested. I have a ps2 and have played more than a 100 games on it ( dozens to completion. ) It was a good purchase and have throughly enjoyed it.

about 10 % of the time a gamecube was suggested. Almost always under the context of family or kid. I have a cube and have played 50+ games on it was gaming time well spent.



Pluses and minuses both ways but the point of my statement is that unfortuantely the term power is what seems to sell more than price. At least from my experience. I think this is partially why the PS3 is doing everything it can to claim the more power title this next round.

If nintendo would out do them be a little I think that would go a long ways to there installed user base and hopefully help them in the next console war. Will this happen ¿? not likely but if it did this puls the controller online and previous titles would give the power hungry sales men something to talk about.



alos its 8 in the morning and I just got off owrk so please forgive any gramatical, spelling errors or anything that just plain out doesn make sense. Thank you.

[Stick821]

Don't forget though, by the time the Revolution is out, the XBOX 360 will have been out for a year and will probably be nearing a price drop. It will also have a good bit of games out and announced. I'm still probably gonna get all 3 systems though, just because I have to play the new Metal Gear's, Halo's, and Zelda's.

[Grave_Addiction]

Don't forget though, by the time the Revolution is out, the XBOX 360 will have been out for a year and will probably be nearing a price drop. It will also have a good bit of games out and announced. I'm still probably gonna get all 3 systems though, just because I have to play the new Metal Gear's, Halo's, and Zelda's.

That's all speculation up to this point. We don't know when the Revo will launch.

[kaw]

Don't forget though, by the time the Revolution is out, the XBOX 360 will have been out for a year and will probably be nearing a price drop. It will also have a good bit of games out and announced. I'm still probably gonna get all 3 systems though, just because I have to play the new Metal Gear's, Halo's, and Zelda's.

That was exactly the point I was going to make. If Xbox is released in November of this year for 399/299, and let's say the Revolution is released in fall 2006. There's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will drop the Xbox 360 Core system to 199 to meet the Revolution, and MS will have a year of software and maybe some launch titles going Platinum at that point to sweeten the pot.

So I don't think Nintendo's 199 price tag is going to factor into it too much. In the end, it's all about the games.

[rohlfinator]

Don't forget though, by the time the Revolution is out, the XBOX 360 will have been out for a year and will probably be nearing a price drop.
I wouldn't expect an Xbox 360 price drop very soon. Unlike the Xbox, the 360 is intended to make a profit. That's why you're seeing all these overpriced accessories.

When the 360 launches, Microsoft will most likely be selling it at a loss (just like they did with the Xbox). It's not likely that their manufacturing costs will drop enough in a year or two to justify a price drop. And if games cost $60 next generation, it's less likely that they'll sell many copies. At some point they're going to have to start profiting. If the PS3 price is high enough (as rumors seem to indicate), Microsoft would probably be content to leave the pricing system as it is now, at least until Sony forces a price drop. I suppose the Revolution could force a price drop, but they seem to be aimed at two different markets.

[Grave_Addiction]

That was exactly the point I was going to make. If Xbox is released in November of this year for 399/299, and let's say the Revolution is released in fall 2006. There's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will drop the Xbox 360 Core system to 199 to meet the Revolution, and MS will have a year of software and maybe some launch titles going Platinum at that point to sweeten the pot.

So I don't think Nintendo's 199 price tag is going to factor into it too much. In the end, it's all about the games.

But the only way that could happen is if the Revolution launches a year after the 360.

Do you honestly think Microsoft will have a $200 price gap in between the basic 360 and deluxe 360? If they significantly lowered the price of the basic 360, they would have to do the same with the deluxe model. By lowering the price, Microsoft would be saying the system is worth less in the minds of consumers, and it would only further confuse the masses.

Also I don't think Microsoft thinks Nintendo is that big a threat that they'd need to make such a drastic move. The PS3, on the other hand, is a different story.

[kaw]

But the only way that could happen is if the Revolution launches a year after the 360.

Do you honestly think Microsoft will have a $200 price gap in between the basic 360 and deluxe 360? If they significantly lowered the price of the basic 360, they would have to do the same with the deluxe model. By lowering the price, Microsoft would be saying the system is worth less in the minds of consumers, and it would only further confuse the masses.

Also I don't think Microsoft thinks Nintendo is that big a threat that they'd need to make such a drastic move. The PS3, on the other hand, is a different story.

I meant the 100 dollars would be across the board: System = 299, Core = 199. If the PS3 launches at 399 this would position MS to be less than Sony as well.

[smalien1]

Im going for PS3 and Revo all the way.

[Grave_Addiction]

I meant the 100 dollars would be across the board: System = 299, Core = 199. If the PS3 launches at 399 this would position MS to be less than Sony as well.

That's true, but for some reason, I just don't think Microsoft would make such a drastic move to counter Nintendo. They didn't this generation, so why would they next generation?

I think, though, that it could be likely that they did something, other than release Halo 3, to counter the PS3's launch.

I just think Sony is a much bigger threat in Microsoft's eyes than Nintendo.

[GreenMonkey]

They've got me.

I'm annoyed about Nintendo's lack of HD support (pushing the console's gfx chip a bit to output 720p wouldn't take much more power...most modern gfx cards do 1024x768 as the minimum standard without any effort). But with the announcement of 480p as standard I'm happy.

But honestly my xbox sees very little play. It's a FPS/Racing game console. Fine for the people that eat up 10 or 12 different Battlefield-type FPS games, and Halo, but FPS sucks on analog sticks. I've got my computer for FPS. I only have 6 xbox games: Panzer Dragoon Orta, KOTOR, Halo 2 (overrated), Buffy, Fable (wife's game), and Street Fighter Anniversary for it.

The PS3 is going to be way overpriced. Probably $399 just like the real xbox360 package (but probably without as many packed in items). I'm in for a Revolution until the PS3 & Xbox360 get cheaper. I've got enough backlogged PS2 (and some PS1) RPGs to keep me going for a few years in - it'll take that long for any decent RPGs to come out for PS3 anyway.

With Nippon Ichi & Square Enix considering multiplatform, I won't be tied to Sony any more. I can see being satisfied with a Rev for a while, then an Xbox360, and getting the PS3 last.

Last time it was PS2, GC, xbox very late (this past January). This time I suspect it will be Nintendo, Microsuck, Sony.

[megashock5]

The price thing is pretty interesting. Actually, although it didn't help the Cube much, it did come out at $100 less than the other two.

The N64 was the one that I thought it would make a bigger difference on. Saturn launched at $399 followed by PS at $299. I heard Nintendo's would be $199 and thought the difference in price would be huge. But by the time they finally released it the competitors were at $199 too. So price turned out to be a non-factor at all.

[Sleepkyng]

If i get a console it will be the revolution.

360 and ps3 promise more of the same blah blah blah. It's true that the masses are stupid and don't mind stupid games. I don't have much faith in America as a consumer culture (I mean, gas is 2.50 a gallon and people are still buying huge trucks and SUVs) so I'll support innovation anywhere I can.

Who had the most innovative games per amount of titles released? Sure Xbox and ps2 had tons of titles but it was tons of shit or repetitive stuff.

There are crappy titles on each console, but there were more titles on GC that interested or really surprised me. Metroid Prime really is a fascinating and amazing game.

I know the rest of the world will buy the biggest dick but hopefully people will wisen up and become more educated about their entertainment.

of course, look what happened to movies...

[CrimsonPaw]

I honestly believe that Nintendo has what it takes to overpower the competition. I'm 30 and STILL love the look of Mario titles, as do many others my age that are gaming hobiests. The problem is that Nintendo is lacking the other games that 25 - 35 year olds like to play. Granted, there are a few (Splinter Cell, Metroid, etc), but most are just crappy 3rd Party games.

Nintendo needs to focus on getting the 3rd party developers who are going to push the evelope. IMO, GTA III is one of the prime reasons the PS2 shot out of the gates so quickly. It was innovative, it was in your face, but above all it was fun. I think they could pull it off, but they need to look at what made games like GTA, Halo, Half Life 2, and God of War the "must have" titles.

Nintendo's first party line up is among the best, but there again we're starting to see rehashing of the same concepts. In all honesty, I didn't think The Wind Waker was all that great, and Mario Sunshine just can't keep my interest. I think it's time for the marketing and sales departments to start looking at what the competition is doing right and expand upon that.

Just Crim's $.02

[Snake2715]

I honestly believe that Nintendo has what it takes to overpower the competition. I'm 30 and STILL love the look of Mario titles, as do many others my age that are gaming hobiests. The problem is that Nintendo is lacking the other games that 25 - 35 year olds like to play. Granted, there are a few (Splinter Cell, Metroid, etc), but most are just crappy 3rd Party games.

Nintendo needs to focus on getting the 3rd party developers who are going to push the evelope. IMO, GTA III is one of the prime reasons the PS2 shot out of the gates so quickly. It was innovative, it was in your face, but above all it was fun. I think they could pull it off, but they need to look at what made games like GTA, Halo, Half Life 2, and God of War the "must have" titles.

Nintendo's first party line up is among the best, but there again we're starting to see rehashing of the same concepts. In all honesty, I didn't think The Wind Waker was all that great, and Mario Sunshine just can't keep my interest. I think it's time for the marketing and sales departments to start looking at what the competition is doing right and expand upon that.

Just Crim's $.02

Welcome to the boards. I myself will be on for revolution. Normally I dont buy consoles at Launch (with the exception of a DS and just because I got it on a lucrative trade in deal) But I am anticipating the Revo launch in 06.

[Moxio]

Nintendo seems to know what they're doing. With the XBOX 360 at such a high starting point (and the PS3 looking to be even more expensive), I'd be extremely impressed at Nintendo's tactics if they can manage around $250. I KNOW I'd get a Revolution if it was that much cheaper, as it also has backwards-compatibility and old-school games.

We'll see what Nintendo does.

[kazooie77]

I've never been a fan of X-Box or Sony. I've been true to Nintendo from the start. I've looked at both Sony and X-box and their is only a few games I would want to play for Sony and the X-box. But you know I can live with out both systems. Also why buy the other system when you have a friend that would buy the other two and you don't have to spend any money to play on both systems since he going to buy them. I think the nice sell point for the new Nintendo system is the fact your going to be able to play alot of old games on their you have not played in years. Unlike other people I no longer own any of the old systems. The only things I own are GC and the DS. So I will be buying the revo when is comes out. Then again Sony or Microsoft don't own Mario, Zelda, Metroid....ect. and most of the games I played were made for all 3 systems anyway. So in ending I will not be buying a SP3 or X-box 360.

[javeryh]

I've never been a fan of X-Box or Sony. I've been true to Nintendo from the start. I've looked at both Sony and X-box and their is only a few games I would want to play for Sony and the X-box. But you know I can live with out both systems. Also why buy the other system when you have a friend that would buy the other two and you don't have to spend any money to play on both systems since he going to buy them. I think the nice sell point for the new Nintendo system is the fact your going to be able to play alot of old games on their you have not played in years. Unlike other people I no longer own any of the old systems. The only things I own are GC and the DS. So I will be buying the revo when is comes out. Then again Sony or Microsoft don't own Mario, Zelda, Metroid....ect. and most of the games I played were made for all 3 systems anyway. So in ending I will not be buying a SP3 or X-box 360.

Wow you are missing out on a TON of great great games.

[encendido5]

Wow you are missing out on a TON of great great games.

Not necessarily... I don't own either the XBox or PS2 either, and while I miss out on those RPG's, I definitely don't miss out on the games ported over to the PC. I've played GTA, KOTOR, Halo, etc. all on my PC without having to buy an XBox or a PS2. Besides, I have over 50 games I have yet to finish on my GC :D

[Midnite]

Before Microsoft officially announced the price of the 360, I was all for the 360. My plan was to get a 360 then the Revolution. But now, I see myself getting the Revolution before the 360.

As for the PS3, I'm done with Sony. I've gone through 2 PSone's and 2 PS2's and the Playstation consoles have always been my least played systems (My Dreamcast sees more attention then any of the current generation of systems). Plus, if I were to combine my PSone and PS2 games they don't even come close to my Gamecube or Xbox collection.

With the Revolution being able to play older games, I can see that being the biggest draw to the system. Pay a couple of dollars to download all those great classics that you don't want to spend an arm and a leg to get off of ebay is going to be great. Titles like FF4-6, Chrono Cross, Secret of Mana, Mario RPG, the old Ninja Turtles games, Super Mario Brother 1-3, Zelda's, Super Metroid, and the list goes on.

What I hope Nintendo does for the classics is release wireless versions of the NES, SNES, and N64 controllers for the Revolution. I just can't see myself playing Killer Instinct (SNES or N64) with a Gamecube controller.

[KingCRZ]

How do you know these dev kits are so easy to work with compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360? Is it just because it is Nintendo? What if they are planing on coming out with some touch screen controller or something funky of that nature? I own a DS with a few games.. pretty much all being Nintendos first party games and they are really the only ones using the touch screen. Look at the other games that are out.. developers arent really doing anything special with the touch screen or the dual screen.

For me the best combo of consoles to own is the Xbox (xbox 360 soon) and a Nintendo system (my DS) or GC. I am all about online play and I get that with the xbox and only paying $50 a year. Also, I grew up with Nintendo and I love their first party games. I gave up on sony.. they seem to be all about graphics and their games dont appeal to me as much. I really hope Nintendo can do something special with this system.. Because if not, things wont be looking good for them.

[Sleepkyng]

in Japan there are tons of 3rd party using the DS functions

Quenden, Jump Superstars, Under the Knife etc.

[gamesforum]

I usually get the impression that Microsoft and Sony are far more concerned with shifting units than they are about making fun games. Here's what I think:

For dream-like, incredibly fun games that will last you ages: Nintendo
For 5 minutes of amazement at the incredible graphics: Microsoft and Sony.

Nintendo is a real games company, and the mentality is totally different. I'm sure the guys at Nintendo get excited about innovative new types of puzzle games for example. So do I! Whereas, executives at $ony and Micro$oft get excited about the hardware specs! :roll:

I for one am very, very glad that companies like Nintendo still exist and remain relatively uncorrupted and enthusiastic about the right things.

[PawnTakesKing]

This argument has been beaten to death. Nintendo is not going to pull ahead of anyone, simply because people are stupid and will continue to support prettier graphics over innovative gameplay. Take the DS vs. PSP argument for example. It's not "cool" to play a DS in public, even though Nintendo's DS line-up is beating the pants off of Sony's current offerings right now.

Consumers will dish out money to play Halo 2 in HD on a smaller, white XBox, because it makes them feel like they're keeping up with the Joneses. Anyone who buys a Revolution will likely be regarded as a "casual gamer" and will be ignored. Nintendo's just not cool anymore.

After the dick-measuring is all said and done, I'll still be having more fun playing my Revolution than the overpriced garbage Sony and Microsoft try to cram down my throat.

[munch]

After the dick-measuring is all said and done, I'll still be having more fun playing my Revolution than the overpriced garbage Sony and Microsoft try to cram down my throat.

well said!

[pumbaa]

I really don't see what Microsoft is thinking this generation. There is still a TON of amazing software coming for the PS2... and the GCN has some legs left in it as well. Xbox 360??? I'm not so sure the launch line-up is compelling enough. Give me Final Fantasy 12 at launch and I might bite... but it looks like there will not be a 360 below the tree this year.

Nintendo is in a very interesting position. I think the DS was the testing ground for whatever they have in store for the Revolution... both in its innovative control mechanisms and the types of games it will release for it. Heed my words, the Revolution experience will be VERY similar to the DS experience. The DS has fared well against the PSP in both continents... and developers really seem to be enjoying themselves with the innovative features of the DS... I foresee the Revo doing a very similar thing.

Will Nintendo "overtake" Sony and Microsoft? I don't think so. Will Nintendo carve a more comfortable niche in the market next generation. You bet your ass. I think the talk 3 years from now won't be about the downfall of Nintendo... but about the unexpected, new market they carve out.

[xeverex18]

I will be the cheapest,but so was the gamecube. The Gc had great graphics but no games. The revelution will have great graphics but no games. The revolution will be good but will go the same rout of the gamecube.your obviously not a mario fan. I love al the mario sport games because it is creative and fun. The features are great and easy to play. No games you say?
Mario party. Mario Kart. Mario sunshine. mario melee. These party games alone are great. What else is 4 controls good for?