The DS is irrelevent says Sony exec

[jkam]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11156

It's kind of funny because I feel as if the PSP is becoming irrelevent. The DS has a wonderful lineup coming out.

“Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and it’s pretty much defined by a boy or girl’s ability to admire Pokémon," he added.

That's funny I've never played a single Pokemon game. I guess I'm not a true Nintendo fan.

[GizmoGC]

I was waiting for this article to show up here...took 4 days

[Kain Vincent]

I was waiting for this article to show up here...took 4 days

You are not the only one on that issue.

I hope this topic doesn't turn into a flame war, like it did on Gamefaqs.

[Strell]

/go to slashdot.org for this one

[Derwood43]

I think that it's a pretty ignorant statement.

The PSP has it's place, just like the DS has it's place. In my hands.

[megashock5]

I have nothing against the PSP. I own one. But I like my DS a little better and I've never in my 34 years played a single Pokemon game. Weak comment. Bad Sony rep.

[Masterkyo]

I never played any pokemon game too but I love my DS ;)

[jkam]

You are not the only one on that issue.

I hope this topic doesn't turn into a flame war, like it did on Gamefaqs.

I honestly didn't post this to start a flame war....I thought it was actually kind of funny. His statements are just off base. We know the PSP has better graphics you don't need to keep telling us.

[the3rdkey]

If Sony had decent software for it's portable I would find this statement viable...

[rabidmonkeys]

This article pissed me off when I read it a few days ago. How can he not realize that he is insulting the people that own both. And having had both I can tell you my DS gets more play time than my psp. That's doesn't mean I hate the PSP. It just is what it is. And by him saying that the DS is a kids pokemon system, (paraphrasing), it only makes me want to support Nintendo more, to change that perception.

[jkam]

Well even this statement as well:

"It’s fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen."

“But I fear that it won’t have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that.”

I would agree with him if the Touch Screen was the only way you could play a game on the system but there is a d-pad and 6 buttons so his statement is just silly and off base.

[howlinmad]

This is the type of crap that makes me really partial to other consoles, it's one thing to have high thoughts of what you sell, it's another to make ignorant statements like this constantly.

[David85]

Well what do you think he is going to say....

"I think Nintendo will continue to kick our ass! We have shit coming out on our own system, so just go buy the DS!"

I mean come on.

[Ikohn4ever]

I think a ps2 jr is irrelevant

[CapAmerica]

Its statements like this that have been pushing me away from Sony more and more.
2 years ago I would have said I would be getting a PS3 and the Revolution and that I most likely wouldn't be getting a 360 any time soon. But now its more like I'll be getting the 360 and the Revolution and I'll most likely won't be getting the PS3 anytime soon. Just cause I'm getting pissed off with Sony being so full of them selves.

Okay Now heres my little pissed off rant after reading this a couple days ago:

Sony should just shut up, they have no right to attack Nintendo. Nintendo is kicking Sony's butt Big time in the handheld market, If the PSP was at least doing remotely good then they would have the right, but the PSP isn't doing good, and it won't be any time soon. Sony is the one who have "narrowed" their market. Nintendo is open to EVERYONE, Sony on the other hand is marketing the PSP to a small demographic of 18-25 year old Males who have $250 to throw away on a handheld.

And what the hell are they talking about that the DS is a gimmick, you want to talk about gimmick, look at the screen on the PSP, sure its nice but after a month you just don't give a shit. And how about all the extra features the PSP has, UMD Movie, MP3 player, Image Viewer, Web Browser and all the other shit they are putting into it to get peoples minds off the fact there are no games for it and there won't be more then a handful of so-so titles in the next year. The PSP is the one who is full of gimmicks, Not the DS the DS has introduced a whole new way into playing and not trying to sell its self as a handheld with nice graphics. You would think Sony would have learned something from going agenst MS in the Home console market. Pretty Graphics WON'T sell a console.

Also we want SALE figures Sony, Not SHIPPED figures. We don’t give a shit how many PSPs are sitting in the back room of Wal-Mart we want to know how many people actually own the thing.

[whoknows]

So what if Sony doesn't like Nintendo and their products. I'm sure Nintendo loves Sony and their products though.

Just because Sony speaks out about not liking Nintendo and their products doesn't mean that Nintendo wants to be friends with Sony and prance around and play ring around the rosie.

The DS is a factor in the PSP's success, yes. So what if Sony doesnt want to acknowledge it?

[stocker08]

Its statements like this that have been pushing me away from Sony more and more.
2 years ago I would have said I would be getting a PS3 and the Revolution and that I most likely wouldn't be getting a 360 any time soon. But now its more like I'll be getting the 360 and the Revolution and I'll most likely won't be getting the PS3 anytime soon. Just cause I'm getting pissed off with Sony being so full of them selves.

Okay Now heres my little pissed off rant after reading this a couple days ago:

Sony should just shut up, they have no right to attack Nintendo. Nintendo is kicking Sony's butt Big time in the handheld market, If the PSP was at least doing remotely good then they would have the right, but the PSP isn't doing good, and it won't be any time soon. Sony is the one who have "narrowed" their market. Nintendo is open to EVERYONE, Sony on the other hand is marketing the PSP to a small demographic of 18-25 year old Males who have $250 to throw away on a handheld.

And what the hell are they talking about that the DS is a gimmick, you want to talk about gimmick, look at the screen on the PSP, sure its nice but after a month you just don't give a shit. And how about all the extra features the PSP has, UMD Movie, MP3 player, Image Viewer, Web Browser and all the other shit they are putting into it to get peoples minds off the fact there are no games for it and there won't be more then a handful of so-so titles in the next year. The PSP is the one who is full of gimmicks, Not the DS the DS has introduced a whole new way into playing and not trying to sell its self as a handheld with nice graphics. You would think Sony would have learned something from going agenst MS in the Home console market. Pretty Graphics WON'T sell a console.

Also we want SALE figures Sony, Not SHIPPED figures. We don’t give a shit how many PSPs are sitting in the back room of Wal-Mart we want to know how many people actually own the thing.


all valid points. WAY TO GO!

The DS is a great system, but Nintendo will ruin it for me if every game they make is going to use the touch screen...........becuase the touch screen is somewhat of a pain in the ass to use for some games, but with other games its excellent..........

...........oh and Nintendo is fucking stupid if they dont put a Mario Party DS on the market............

[opportunity777]

Sony propaganda, nothing really to see here, move along :-P

[howlinmad]

Well what do you think he is going to say....

"I think Nintendo will continue to kick our ass! We have shit coming out on our own system, so just go buy the DS!"

I mean come on.

Of course not, but mudslinging, is an act of desperation. We do this that and the other thing better is one thing. When they feel the need to outright trash talk, they should be too respectable of a company to need to resort to that. That's playground shit.

[camoor]

I think that it's a pretty ignorant statement.

Not ignorant, just marketing.

[mykevermin]

an act of desperation

It may be too early to call "desperation" on a handheld less than 6 months old. OTOH, compare the marketing approaches of the two:

Sony: We have awesome graphics, and movies the price of dvds! Nintendo can blow us!

Nintendo: Check out these awesome games coming out for DS!

Although that's not a fair analysis of the matter, that's how I interpret it as an owner of both consoles; Sony's public behavior is in poor taste, while Nintendo seems content to putter along, putting out unique and exclusive games that people are buying.

[Quackzilla]

Actually, the average DVD costs $20-$30 and most UMDs I have seen are around $12-$20.

[mykevermin]

Normally, you are on ignore Quack, but I just had to see what you typed.

So, the question begs: what kind of bag of hammers are you to even debate this? Where are you spending $20-30 on a single dvd? What, are you fuckin' Canadian?

If you're selective about where you find UMDs, you might find on or two for $10-12 (if you've got a hankerin' for Daddy Day Care, that is). In reality, you're a liar and a fool for trying to claim that UMDs are cheaper than DVDs.

[javeryh]

Its statements like this that have been pushing me away from Sony more and more.
2 years ago I would have said I would be getting a PS3 and the Revolution and that I most likely wouldn't be getting a 360 any time soon. But now its more like I'll be getting the 360 and the Revolution and I'll most likely won't be getting the PS3 anytime soon. Just cause I'm getting pissed off with Sony being so full of them selves.

Okay Now heres my little pissed off rant after reading this a couple days ago:

Sony should just shut up, they have no right to attack Nintendo. Nintendo is kicking Sony's butt Big time in the handheld market, If the PSP was at least doing remotely good then they would have the right, but the PSP isn't doing good, and it won't be any time soon. Sony is the one who have "narrowed" their market. Nintendo is open to EVERYONE, Sony on the other hand is marketing the PSP to a small demographic of 18-25 year old Males who have $250 to throw away on a handheld.

And what the hell are they talking about that the DS is a gimmick, you want to talk about gimmick, look at the screen on the PSP, sure its nice but after a month you just don't give a shit. And how about all the extra features the PSP has, UMD Movie, MP3 player, Image Viewer, Web Browser and all the other shit they are putting into it to get peoples minds off the fact there are no games for it and there won't be more then a handful of so-so titles in the next year. The PSP is the one who is full of gimmicks, Not the DS the DS has introduced a whole new way into playing and not trying to sell its self as a handheld with nice graphics. You would think Sony would have learned something from going agenst MS in the Home console market. Pretty Graphics WON'T sell a console.

Also we want SALE figures Sony, Not SHIPPED figures. We don’t give a shit how many PSPs are sitting in the back room of Wal-Mart we want to know how many people actually own the thing.

Why would you deprive yourself of a PS3 because of Sony's corporate attitude? This makes no sense to me. Who care what dumbass remarks they have about themselves or their competitors. This is like not buying a CD because you disagree with the band's politics or not going to see a movie because the star cheats on his wife. Who gives a shit? Just entertain me.

[Moxio]

Hahaha, good one Sony, especially considering the DS is selling better than the PSP.

[howlinmad]

It may be too early to call "desperation" on a handheld less than 6 months old. OTOH, compare the marketing approaches of the two:

Sony: We have awesome graphics, and movies the price of dvds! Nintendo can blow us!

Nintendo: Check out these awesome games coming out for DS!

Although that's not a fair analysis of the matter, that's how I interpret it as an owner of both consoles; Sony's public behavior is in poor taste, while Nintendo seems content to putter along, putting out unique and exclusive games that people are buying.

Not really desperation from a standpoint of their product failing no, maybe for lack of a better answer for it not really dominating right now. Sure, DS had a head start, but to hear Sony tell it, PSP is so good it makes you want to slap your momma. I don't play Pokemon, have never played Pokemon, nor do I ever want to play Pokemon, yet I play my DS.

Nintendo just basicly says, hey, our game is fun. Sony says, our shit doesn't stink.
I want a PSP, of course. I just want to have fun with a video game, I really don't have any brand loyality. But I'm not going to commend Sony for being arrogant pricks. I will however commend Nintendo, they have a better business model, based on how they do business alone, they back that up consistantly with fun and innovation. I'm not a Sony hater really, I just despise their business. And I'd really love to see them put in their place. Mark my words, it is coming.

[CapAmerica]

Actually, the average DVD costs $20-$30 and most UMDs I have seen are around $12-$20.

WOW where the hell do you buy DVDs?

DVDs around here cost from $9-$20, New Releases normally are at most $22-25 but most of the time they are $20. Only time I see a movie cost $30 or more is when its one of those Super Special Limited Edition DVDs where it comes with a T-shirt, Poster and other crap.

UMDs around here are $20-25, I think I may have seen one or two for $15


Why would you deprive yourself of a PS3 because of Sony's corporate attitude? This makes no sense to me. Who care what dumbass remarks they have about themselves or their competitors. This is like not buying a CD because you disagree with the band's politics or not going to see a movie because the star cheats on his wife. Who gives a shit? Just entertain me.

I just don't feel right giving money to a company that acts like this. If you buy their stuff they see that they can continue to act the way they are and people won't care. If they want to be a bunch of jerks they can go right ahead I just won't buy their stuff and another company will get my money. If enough people do that developers might start leaving or making their games multi platform and maybe after enough has happen Sony will realize they have trashed their image by being such jerks.

Right now the only way I might get a PS3 is if its really cheap and I can mod it so I can play pirated games. cause until Sony stops acting like a bunch of first graders and starts acting like a respectable company I don't want to give them any of my hard earned money.

[Quackzilla]

People who pirate games are assholes, you opinions and posts are now totally worthless.

[CapAmerica]

People who pirate games are assholes, you opinions and posts are now totally worthless.

Never said I pirate games, I just said right now the only way I might get a PS3 is if its really cheap and I can mod it so I can play pirated games. The odds of me getting a really cheap PS3 is slim to none. So Its unlikely I'll have one so I won't be playing pirated games.

[mykevermin]

Never said I pirate games, I just said right now the only way I might get a PS3 is if its really cheap and I can mod it so I can play pirated games. The odds of me getting a really cheap PS3 is slim to none. So Its unlikely I'll have one so I won't be playing pirated games.

Please, Cap. Quack stomped in here like a rapid frothing fanboy-twit, made some dumb fucking arguments that couldn't stand up to the tiniest bit of scrutiny, and so he tries to render someone *else's* points worthless?

There's a reason even us lefties in the vs forum think he's a fool's fool.

[psiufoxx2]

Quack.. off topic but does your sig refer to the Beijing Massacre?

[MaxBiaggi2]

Weak comment. Bad Sony rep.

Big corporations like Sony only designate specific people to talk with the media, so chances are good this guy's comments were just another scripted portion of the Sony hype machine's ongoing spin cycle. It doesn't mean anything.

[Skelah]

Sony knows 2 things once they price drop its going to knock the ds out.

2. they have liberty city storys coming out on psp only.

[CapAmerica]

Thats going to have to be one big price drop to rival the DS. The PSP would have to drop to like $150.

And I think you give a little to much credit to GTA. I don't think GTA is going to be as big of a system sell as people think. Most people are just going to see it as more or less a port of GTA3. Sure GTA is a big game on the PS2, but lots of people own PS2 and they are alot cheaper and have a hell of alot more games. the PSP on the other hand is way over prices and has only a small handfull of so-so games.

Also think about this the GBA had a recent GTA game and that didn't sell many systems. Sure it was 2D but it was a GTA game none the less.

[mykevermin]

Thats going to have to be one big price drop to rival the DS. The PSP would have to drop to like $150.

And I think you give a little to much credit to GTA. I don't think GTA is going to be as big of a system sell as people think. Most people are just going to see it as more or less a port of GTA3. Sure GTA is a big game on the PS2, but lots of people own PS2 and they are alot cheaper and have a hell of alot more games. the PSP on the other hand is way over prices and has only a small handfull of so-so games.

Also think about this the GBA had a recent GTA game and that didn't sell many systems. Sure it was 2D but it was a GTA game none the less.

I'd say you're wrongly minimizing the difference between 2D and 3D GTA games. It's going to be hot upon release if the series' notoriety is still fresh in people's minds.

It will sell systems, which PSP does need right now. Comparably, there are already several system sellers for DS (including, lamentably, Mario 64).

[CapAmerica]

oh I do think it will sell systems, But I don't see it as that big of a system seller. I don't think you'll have alot of people running out to pick up a PSP just for GTA.

We also don't know how GTA works as a handheld game. Are the people who like GTA also in the same group of people who play handheld consoles?
Its going to be intresting to see what happens.

It will also be intresting to see how it does after the whole 'Hot Coffee' incident.

[javeryh]

WOW I just don't feel right giving money to a company that acts like this. If you buy their stuff they see that they can continue to act the way they are and people won't care. If they want to be a bunch of jerks they can go right ahead I just won't buy their stuff and another company will get my money. If enough people do that developers might start leaving or making their games multi platform and maybe after enough has happen Sony will realize they have trashed their image by being such jerks.

Right now the only way I might get a PS3 is if its really cheap and I can mod it so I can play pirated games. cause until Sony stops acting like a bunch of first graders and starts acting like a respectable company I don't want to give them any of my hard earned money.

You are depriving yourself for no reason, IMO. I don't like Sony as a company but I'm sure as hell not going to sit back and have GTA6, Jak4, God of War 2, etc. pass right by because of their attitude. If you and hundreds of others want to do this to make a point and eventually make Sony a better company go right ahead - in the mean time I'll be having fun with my PS3.

[jkam]

Sony knows 2 things once they price drop its going to knock the ds out.

2. they have liberty city storys coming out on psp only.

Sony has stated they wouldn't be dropping the price of the PSP at all. Now if they start shipping a bundle-less console cheaper or lower the price then Nintendo is forcing their hand whether they will admit it or not. A lot of people will say well it shouldn't matter because the PSP is in a class by itself with the screen and the graphics. Well IMO if they don't have the games that people want it doesn't matter.

As for GTA...I think it will be a big PSP game but I don't think it will anywhere match the PS2 sales. Why? When GTA III came out it was something completely new and different. There have been 2 sequels since then. While crazed fans of the series will get a PSP I think the average person would think:
1. I can play three versions of this game on my PS2
2. Is one game really worth me spending $250?

[1modernboy]

I still find it funny that everyone I know with a PSP does everything except play games on the goddamn thing! Sure Wipeout Pure and Lumines are treats, but a lot of the current PSP draw is for unintended functionality (ie: emulation). And yes, I’m in the camp that truly believes that each PSP firmware update is a thinly veiled attempt to destroy beloved homebrew apps.

As far as Harrison ‘s statement goes, it’s just pissy PR spin. I have seem nothing on the PSP that has made me go and drop the coin for the unit. I’m not saying I’ll never pick one up, I’m just saying that, for the price, it’s missing a killer app IMHO. In the meantime, my DS is treating me just fine.

[javeryh]

I still find it funny that everyone I know with a PSP does everything except play games on the goddamn thing!

I've never done anything with my PSP except play games on it. I am curious to watch a movie on there but I'm not buying one for it. HSG and Lumines was worth the $250 alone, IMO.

[evilmax17]

Sales for the week of August 15-21 (Japan)

DS - 80,945
PS2 - 33, 292
PSP - 23, 923

Yup...real irrelevent.

[Masterkyo]

I am not big fans for GTA's & Halo Maddness... I thought is average game and i don't know why peoples making big deal out of it.

Thought New Super Mario Bros. is going to be ROCK on DS!!

[miniarnold]

I often wonder if the execs even play the games/systems that they push onto the masses. I love my PSP, but I would have gotten a DS instead in a heartbeat if the two screens weren't so small.

I'm still waiting for the PSP online equivalent of Mario Kart DS? I'm not talking this ad-hoc garbage, I want the full online racing.

[niceguyshawne]

You are depriving yourself for no reason, IMO. I don't like Sony as a company but I'm sure as hell not going to sit back and have GTA6, Jak4, God of War 2, etc. pass right by because of their attitude. If you and hundreds of others want to do this to make a point and eventually make Sony a better company go right ahead - in the mean time I'll be having fun with my PS3.


I don't understand why you would continue to throw your money to a company that routinely minimizes and disrespects the competition and, in turn, you as a gamer. For every "must have" Sony game there is one on the competition's machine.

[Prepster]

I've never done anything with my PSP except play games on it. I am curious to watch a movie on there but I'm not buying one for it. HSG and Lumines was worth the $250 alone, IMO.

Same here, only ever played games on my psp, but own 2 movies, the spider man 2 movie and The Grudge which I have yet to watch. I also believe GTA will be a big seller unit wise for the PSP, but owning a psp already, I am not very interested in the GTA games and will not be buying this game.

[javeryh]

I don't understand why you would continue to throw your money to a company that routinely minimizes and disrespects the competition and, in turn, you as a gamer. For every "must have" Sony game there is one on the competition's machine.

Are you serious? Sony could take out a full page ad in the Times every single day calling me and Miyamoto the world's two biggest douchebags or whatever and I'd still buy a PS3. I want to play the games. Period. Sure it may be true that "for every must have Sony game there is one on the competition's machine" but playing Metroid Prime and God of War is more fun for me than just playing Metroid Prime and nothing.

[snipegod]

Are you serious? Sony could take out a full page ad in the Times every single day calling me and Miyamoto the world's two biggest douchebags or whatever and I'd still buy a PS3. I want to play the games. Period. Sure it may be true that "for every must have Sony game there is one on the competition's machine" but playing Metroid Prime and God of War is more fun for me than just playing Metroid Prime and nothing.

Well, there's a difference between having self-respect and just being a consumer whore.

[GizmoGC]

What 'decent' releases has PSP had post-launch? Hot Shots Golf, Death Jr., Midnight Club...wow. Talk about 'hot' titles. DS has had so many in the past few months its sick. Nintendogs, Advance Wars, Meteos, Kirby....and yet they pretty much call the DS crap.

GTA will help sell SOME PSPs, but not everyone is willing to drop $300+ to play yet another incarnation of GTA so soon since SA (however, it has been pulled...so it may infact pull in some extra buyers). Sony just needs to shut up. Lower the price, bring out some decent games, and make a higher quality system that dosnt come with 12 dead pixels which is 'normal' for a $250 device. Ive NEVER had a single dead pixel in any handheld system I have ever purchased besides my original GB and that was 8+ years after.

[Reality's Fringe]

teh PSP is flawless how could u badmouth a werk of atr?!1

[ThePlatinumStag]

Well I must say that I'm immensly glad with my DS, and don't have enough cash to buy all the games I want for it - with some luck I may though (See Gamestop Yellow Tag Sale)
The PSP on the other hand seems really lackluster - sure Sony really seems to be pushing it but there is really nothing on it that I would really enjoy at the moment ' '

[Moxio]

It may be too early to call "desperation" on a handheld less than 6 months old. OTOH, compare the marketing approaches of the two:

Sony: We have awesome graphics, and movies the price of dvds! Nintendo can blow us!

Nintendo: Check out these awesome games coming out for DS!

Although that's not a fair analysis of the matter, that's how I interpret it as an owner of both consoles; Sony's public behavior is in poor taste, while Nintendo seems content to putter along, putting out unique and exclusive games that people are buying.

I agree. Sony's got a terrible, boastful attitude. While Nintendo has a high profile, they are nowhere near as mean as Sony's characters, such as Ken Kutaragi and now Mr. Harrison, who constantly bash other consoles and their makers.

IT's as if they're talking like they are the top. Sure the PS2 had, pretty much, the most 3rd party support, but their success doesn't mean no one else had success. Both the Xbox and GameCube are also great consoles in their own respect.

[Quigoni]

To the person who said that Nintendo always rips on Sony, I beg to differ. I remember an interview that Reggie did and said the PSP is a very nice pice of machinary.

[javeryh]

Well, there's a difference between having self-respect and just being a consumer whore.

I've got plenty of self-respect and I may also be a consumer whore - but I'm a happy one. I just don't give a shit about Sony and their business practices. They could be manufacturing PS3s in some third world country with child labor and I'd still buy it. I seriously can't believe that you would deprive yourself of something fun because you don't like the company that makes the product. I guess you are like one of those guys who wouldn't bang a hot chick because you didn't have "feelings" for her - I just don't get it.

[Dr Mario Kart]

People have different ways of thinking after all. Its not a matter of right or wrong.

I do not buy products from the MS gaming division or EA. Do they make good products? Thats entirely debateable, but even if I thought they did, there is no shortage of fun to be had. I've got a 3+ year backlog of unplayed current and past gen games.

It might be a different story if they controlled the entire market leaving me with no alternatives except them. Fortunately that is not the case.

[Ebraum]

I sold My DS after I bought my PSP. Now I have purchased another DS & traded in my PSP at GameRush. Sony need's to be more worried about the 360, not the DS. I know quite a few people who gave up on the PSP already and traded it in for credit on their 360 preorder.

[javeryh]

People have different ways of thinking after all. Its not a matter of right or wrong.

I do not buy products from the MS gaming division or EA. Do they make good products? Thats entirely debateable, but even if I thought they did, there is no shortage of fun to be had. I've got a 3+ year backlog of unplayed current and past gen games.

It might be a different story if they controlled the entire market leaving me with no alternatives except them. Fortunately that is not the case.

BUT WHY????? That doesn't explain anything to me... I'm probably hopeless but I don't understand how if MS or EA released the best game in the history of the universe you wouldn't buy it simply because it was made by one of them. It is mindboggling.

[Nirvanaguy777]

I think statements in general are irrelevant....wait didnt I just make a statement.....

[argyle]

I don't understand why you would continue to throw your money to a company that routinely minimizes and disrespects the competition and, in turn, you as a gamer. For every "must have" Sony game there is one on the competition's machine.

This is a ridiculous statement imo. First, I have a PS2 library that triples my Gamecube one, and made my Xbox one obsolete to the point that I traded in the console a couple of months back. Second, the Sony games are a small part of why I buy their consoles - fact is, the third-party support is the main reason. So if I didn't buy a Sony console, I wouldn't only be hurting Sony (and myself, for missing out on all of those games) but the third parties as well.


Well, there's a difference between having self-respect and just being a consumer whore.

Wait...you don't really believe this BS, do you? That buying a product means you have no self respect? I'll answer you like I did a friend of mine. He felt that if a company supported something he didn't believe in, he should boycott them. I told him that somewhere down the line, the money you give to ANY company is going to be used in a manner you don't agree with. If it's not done at the top by management, it will be done at the bottom by employees. But what do I care? I can't control these major companies, and I'm not spending money to invest in an ideal or philosophy - I'm buying a product. When I go to buy a product, the only question on my mind is "Is it worth the money?", not "What do I think of the latest press release by the company who made it?"

I'm curious if some of you people scrutinize ALL of your purchases this thoroughly. Has Kellogg's made any statements lately that would make you give up Fruit Loops? How about McDonald's - have they been badmouthing Wendy's or Burger King again?

[snipegod]

T
Wait...you don't really believe this BS, do you?

I'd ask the same to you. There's a little thing called consumer responsibility.

You guys think you're darling little capitalists, but Adam Smith would roll over in his damn grave at what "capitalism" has become.

[stocker08]

Sales for the week of August 15-21 (Japan)

DS - 80,945
PS2 - 33, 292
PSP - 23, 923

Yup...real irrelevent.

nice. The DS is putting sony in its place. 2nd and 3rd place i meant :-)

[Dr Mario Kart]

BUT WHY????? That doesn't explain anything to me... I'm probably hopeless but I don't understand how if MS or EA released the best game in the history of the universe you wouldn't buy it simply because it was made by one of them. It is mindboggling.

Some people just care about the things that happen behind the scenes, not just the end result. Its just an opinion.

I could ask why dont you care? You might say because it doesnt matter as long as the end result is good, whereas at the other end of the table, I would just say the opposite thing. You cant use logic to derive a correct answer.

If I dont support a companies policies or actions, than I will be consistent and not support the company with my wallet. It acheives nothing, but it gives me peace of mind.

[javeryh]

Some people just care about the things that happen behind the scenes, not just the end result. Its just an opinion.

I could ask why dont you care? You might say because it doesnt matter as long as the end result is good, whereas at the other end of the table, I would just say the opposite thing. You cant use logic to derive a correct answer.

If I dont support a companies policies or actions, than I will be consistent and not support the company with my wallet. It acheives nothing, but it gives me peace of mind.

Fair enough but I still can't help thinking you might be missing out on a lot of great stuff.

[Dr Mario Kart]

quite possibly. However, there is more great stuff than I could ever hope to have time for, so its not a big deal.

[whoknows]

nice. The DS is putting sony in its place. 2nd and 3rd place i meant :-)

And where is Gamecube on that list? :roll:

The fact that people are still buying PS2's is amazing enough to me after how many console have already been sold.

Just because DS is ahead of PS2 and PSP doesn't mean they are failing to anyone that thinks that.

Anyone that says they aren't buying a PS3 because they dont like some people attitudes in the company I really feel sorry for you, they are business competitors so if you are expecting them to say nice things about each other something is seriously wrong with you.

To me I had a DS a day after launch, never opened it and returned it since I didn't feel like a Mario 64 rehash was worth the $150. Now the most interesting DS game to me is Nanostray, I could really care less about Nintendogs. It looks fun, but that type of game isn't too interesting to me. When Resident Evil comes out for DS I may buy one even though it looks like a port of the original since I really really like RE.

Did anyone even think of Sony's reason for saying that the DS is irrelevant? Maybe Sony isn't going after the same age group as Nintendo is going for with the DS? There are a lot of reasons that they could have said it, but everyone seems to think it was to insult Nintendo.

I will buy a PS3 followed by a Revolution, Xbox 360 probably won't have a place with me since Xbox had very few games I enjoyed before selling it.

PS3 will have Killzone, DMC4, RE5 (yes I know xbox360 will have it too), I/8 and many games I am looking forward to that are interesting to ME. I'm not going to go buy an Xbox 360 that I will get little enjoyment out of just because Sony was being mean to Nintendo so I shouldn't buy anything from them. I dont know much about the Revolution yet so I can't really say what games I am looking forward to on it, but it will definatley have some must haves since its Nintendo.

[mrnomis27]

The Sony exec was not out of line in his comments, I am sure it was a very strategic comment meant to stir up debate and get people talking about the PSP at a time that the DS is surpassing their sales figures.

The dry spell of games on the PSP lately is no different from the dry spell the DS encountered shortly after it launch. Give the PSP another 5 months, and I imagine that some very enjoyable games will be available for it as well.

I don't own a PSP, but I imagine that over time the quality of games will eventually make it a much more viable gaming machine than it currently is.

[mykevermin]

And where is Gamecube on that list? :roll:

The fact that people are still buying PS2's is amazing enough to me after how many console have already been sold.

Just because DS is ahead of PS2 and PSP doesn't mean they are failing to anyone that thinks that.

Anyone that says they aren't buying a PS3 because they dont like some people attitudes in the company I really feel sorry for you, they are business competitors so if you are expecting them to say nice things about each other something is seriously wrong with you.

To me I had a DS a day after launch, never opened it and returned it since I didn't feel like a Mario 64 rehash was worth the $150. Now the most interesting DS game to me is Nanostray, I could really care less about Nintendogs. It looks fun, but that type of game isn't too interesting to me. When Resident Evil comes out for DS I may buy one even though it looks like a port of the original since I really really like RE.

Did anyone even think of Sony's reason for saying that the DS is irrelevant? Maybe Sony isn't going after the same age group as Nintendo is going for with the DS? There are a lot of reasons that they could have said it, but everyone seems to think it was to insult Nintendo.

I will buy a PS3 followed by a Revolution, Xbox 360 probably won't have a place with me since Xbox had very few games I enjoyed before selling it.

PS3 will have Killzone, DMC4, RE5 (yes I know xbox360 will have it too), I/8 and many games I am looking forward to that are interesting to ME. I'm not going to go buy an Xbox 360 that I will get little enjoyment out of just because Sony was being mean to Nintendo so I shouldn't buy anything from them. I dont know much about the Revolution yet so I can't really say what games I am looking forward to on it, but it will definatley have some must haves since its Nintendo.

That's a lot of effort to fight a futile battle for the winning side. I recall my furor over the NFL/Madden/Sega Sports deal, and I vowed to never buy EA again (and I haven't still). People spent a lot of time trying to tell me I was a fool, EA makes good games, I'm gay (or something else really classy), things of that nature.

I didn't buy Madden. They did.

Some will buy the PS3. Others won't. You won't be the only person on earth with a PS3, so save your breath.

In the end, buy what you want, don't buy what you don't.

[Dead of Knight]

DS is completely beating the living shit out of the PSP in the place where it matters most for these companies- Japan. I'd imagine it's also selling better here thanks to Nintendogs and the complete lack of any decent new games for the PSP. If Sony wasn't so cocky about the PSP, perhaps they'd be in first. But they seem to think that constant new releases of overpriced UMDs are what the market wants.

And I'll be buying both Revolution AND PS3 as long as they have quality games. At this point, I only own a DS because only it, and not the PSP, has quality games that I am interested in.

[stocker08]

And where is Gamecube on that list? :roll:

The fact that people are still buying PS2's is amazing enough to me after how many console have already been sold.

Just because DS is ahead of PS2 and PSP doesn't mean they are failing to anyone that thinks that.



ummm, when did Gamecube come into this. I was mearly talking about how Sony execs think the DS is "irrelevent" yet it is destroying the PSP in sales even though DS has been out for about 2 months more than PSP.

[Sweetbabyjezuz]

And where is Gamecube on that list? :roll:

The fact that people are still buying PS2's is amazing enough to me after how many console have already been sold.
.

Probably because they don't want to spend $80 to get their old broken PS lens fixed so they end up just buying a new system for a couple bucks more (a slim one or something)

[irrossistable]

Bottom line, I'd say DS is irrelevant to the PSP. PSP is about graphics and media options. DS is all about the games and touch screen. It also seems to me that the DS is sort of reaching for something new in its games, while the PSP is looking to allow you to have your favorite console games on the go.

[stocker08]

Probably because they don't want to spend $80 to get their old broken PS lens fixed so they end up just buying a new system for a couple bucks more (a slim one or something)

lol, its soo true! I brought my DRE PS2 into ebgames and they game me full trade in value so i bought a new small one.

[ShockingAlberto]

The dry spell of games on the PSP lately is no different from the dry spell the DS encountered shortly after it launch. Give the PSP another 5 months, and I imagine that some very enjoyable games will be available for it as well.
See, not so much.

The dry-spell of DS games was very specific to America, as Nintendo was trying to push a "Western" launch with the games they released here and not too many quirky Japanese titles. The next week, the system launched in Japan with a large list of good games, which took a few months to come to America because, well, Nintendo of America is either A) swamped or B) incompetent. Maybe a little of both.

American DS owners just had to look at Japan's launchlist and say "We'll be getting all the Advance Wars and Nintendogs and Kirbys and Castlevanias soon enough." American PSP owners look at the Japanese PSP game list (keeping in mind that both the PSP and DS came out within days of each other in Japan) and wonder why the hell they made a sequel to an extremely poorly received Bleach game that will never come to America. About five months after the DS's American launch, we finally started getting the good games. Here we are, five months after the PSP's American launch, and we have no idea what's coming up for the next year.

It's not simply a problem of "Both systems have a dryspell," but "One system doesn't have a point where the dryspell is seemingly going to end, in America or Japan."

As an owner of both handhelds, I'm pretty disappointed. I was hoping for competition to spur on better games, which seemingly inspired Nintendo to try something new, but put on a whole new level of hubris with Sony. I guess it just goes to show you that predicting the way the industry moves is as much a guessing game as anything else.

[Dr Mario Kart]

One system doesnt have a point! haha. Classic.

"One of the best uses for a Nintendo DS is playing games while you're waiting for your PSP to load."

[Weedy649]

Fair enough but I still can't help thinking you might be missing out on a lot of great stuff.

Read through alot of your stuff and i do agree with some of it. One thing people might be missing though, is that its not a big deal that Sony dissed Nintendo...but that Sony dissed Nintendo users.

I own a DS and PSP and i myself feel that the statement offended me slightly. Basically hes saying im some little baby playing pokemon, yet the truth of the matter is that i bought both systems and enjoy the DS a ton more.

I do agree with you on your point that it shouldnt stop me from buying their products if id enjoy them. I.E. i buy EA games all the time even though im pissed there isnt an NFL2k game anymore because that means they will keep their prices up.

One thing i notice though, is all of those games are just sequels, God of War 2, Jak 6, GTA W/E. I have played many of those games, and it has worn off on me. I dont enjoy Jak all that much, god of war is ok but nothing huge, and the GTA series just isnt original to me anymore and is surrounded by so much hype it turns me off. Ill get a PS3 in due time, but more for the rpgs then for that stuff

[praystation]

I have DS and PSP. and so far, I do think the touch screen is kind of gimmicky. The thumb strap is so tedious to use, and using the stylus, on the other hand, will make you wish you have a third hand (because I find my self keep alternating my right hand on the buttons and the stylus when playing Mario64ds). However, I only own Mario 64 DS and RRDS; so my experience might be insufficient to support my comment. On the other hand, it's true I don't spend a lot of time with my PSP to play its UMD games (becaue the lack of games out at the moment <I have wipeout, RR, Dead2right, ape escape, coded arms, NBA, Lumines and smartbomb). However, I do use it for its multimedia capability like Internet browing <I have to stay away from this evil-time-sucking machine we call PC> , playing Music Videos, mp3s, and playing emulators <I am at level 35, killed kefka. and almost done with FF3>

[Vinny]

Read through alot of your stuff and i do agree with some of it. One thing people might be missing though, is that its not a big deal that Sony dissed Nintendo...but that Sony dissed Nintendo users.

I own a DS and PSP and i myself feel that the statement offended me slightly. Basically hes saying im some little baby playing pokemon, yet the truth of the matter is that i bought both systems and enjoy the DS a ton more.

Heh... didn't even think about it that way. So I guess if I buy a DS, then I shouldn't own a PSP?

I seriously don't understand what's up with these Sony execs... they say the dumbest things.

"We fucked up our system but to you it's a beautiful piece of artwork and you better live with it because we said so."

"Poor pieces of sh*t like you can't afford the PS3 so screw everything else and start saving now because your new god commands it. You don't need to eat."

And now, "Nintendo DS owners are babies and PSP owners are adults who don't mind spending $250 a portable gaming machine to play ports and crappy games along with $30 UMD movies on a 4 inch screen when they could have spent half as much to watch them on their larger TVs. In summery: PSP = are cool, DS owners suck. This is law as we are your new god."

(*Note: don't miss the exaggerations.);-)

[David85]

EA will never make the best game ever, that's not their way.

[Dr Mario Kart]

the thing about price drops, and price in general, is something that Microsoft hasnt nailed just yet. Its that in business, you're supposed to make money. Its not enough to sell systems (or in the MS case, give them away), but you have to recoup those losses.

Someday maybe the PSP will have games as cool as the device itself. But playing Lumines on a PSP is like bringing a stealth bomber to a drive in movie when I can play Meteos on my DS.

[CapAmerica]

I have Lumines on my PC so... one less reason to buy a PSP.

[ragepower]

So what if Sony doesn't like Nintendo and their products. I'm sure Nintendo loves Sony and their products though.

Just because Sony speaks out about not liking Nintendo and their products doesn't mean that Nintendo wants to be friends with Sony and prance around and play ring around the rosie.

The DS is a factor in the PSP's success, yes. So what if Sony doesnt want to acknowledge it?


I think everyone is getting angry with Sony, because they don't only do this to Nintendo they do this to ALL competition. They skew sales numbers, they flat out lie, they are smug cocky @ss4oles that do nothing to better the industry and push overhyped crap games that sell because of advertising. Personally I'm just sick and tired of their endless bull$hit.

[ragepower]

Actually, the average DVD costs $20-$30 and most UMDs I have seen are around $12-$20.

Are your DVDs wrapped in tissue with bows and trinkets ? , perhaps made of gold ?? because there is NO way dvd's cost 30 unless its a box set, you waited 5 years to buy it and its rare, or your buying Anime.

Also UMD average 25 bucks... Most good ones are 30, and you can get some decent older movies for 19.99

[Quackzilla]

I have Lumines on my PC so... one less reason to buy a PSP.
I have a GBA SP so... one less reason to buy a DS. I can play 99% of the "DS" game library already. :)

[Zoglog]

why isn't he talking about N-gage? =( as far as it comes to me i'd rather play the n-gage than the DS D:!

[stocker08]

One system doesnt have a point! haha. Classic.

"One of the best uses for a Nintendo DS is playing games while you're waiting for your PSP to load."

you dont even need a ds for that, you could take a nap in the time it takes for psp to load.

[praystation]

you dont even need a ds for that, you could take a nap in the time it takes for psp to load.
Are you saying when PSP loads up everybody can put down the DS and start playing quality games? (Since most psp gaems loads in under 3-7 seconds, that's not much of a nap I would say)

[CapAmerica]

Are you saying when PSP loads up everybody can put down the DS and start playing quality games? (Since most psp gaems loads in under 3-7 seconds, that's not much of a nap I would say)

quality games on the PSP! WHERE?!?! I want to get a picture of this so I can put it with my picture of Bigfoot and Nessy!

[Epic Wolf]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4796/dsWHORE.jpg

[CapAmerica]

I have a GBA SP so... one less reason to buy a DS. I can play 99% of the "DS" game library already. :)

Really? Hmm.. last I knew the Only DS game to have a GBA version was Zoo Keeper. Maybe thats the only game you like? Also I'm pretty sure the GBA doesn't have a touch screen so that kind of makes it impossible to play DS games on the GBA, and if I'm mistaken the GBA only has the power of a SNES, don't think you'll be seeing Mario 64, Metroid Prime or Nintendogs on that.

[ragepower]

Are you saying when PSP loads up everybody can put down the DS and start playing quality games? (Since most psp gaems loads in under 3-7 seconds, that's not much of a nap I would say)

uhhh... how much modding did you have to do in order to get those amazing load times. Because when I had my psp games would take as long as a MINUTE to load.

[David85]

I just looked up the DS games I like, there are like 2 dozen I would play and like 150 games listed at EB.

I looked for PSP games but all I saw was movies. There are like 150 movies for the thing and like 40 games.

[praystation]

uhhh... how much modding did you have to do in order to get those amazing load times. Because when I had my psp games would take as long as a MINUTE to load.

No you dont have a PSP. A minute? the only game that loads for that long is midnightclub3. (It's really strange to see many ppl claim to own both psp and ds while the things they are saying are completely nonsensical).

DS fanboy says psp games are rehashes... (the coming castlevania is also a rehash, the digdug: Digging STrike , and Space invaders: REvolution

PSP fanboy says DS is like watered down N64 (while it's true for SM64DS and RRDS, many others are not).

So both fanboys, read this: STFU!

[praystation]

I just looked up the DS games I like, there are like 2 dozen I would play and like 150 games listed at EB.

I looked for PSP games but all I saw was movies. There are like 150 movies for the thing and like 40 games.

150??? those are GBA games. not the DS games. Stop contradicting urself.

Movies? DS has none LOL. (You guys keep saying PSP movie playing is a gimmick, while many of you wants to get "play yan" "or "m3" LOL).

[whoknows]

quality games on the PSP! WHERE?!?! I want to get a picture of this so I can put it with my picture of Bigfoot and Nessy!
Oh please, neither handheld system has any true A quality games on it (with possible exceptions of Advance Wars: DS and Lumines which are more B+/A- games) so far, so basically its personal preference on what types of games you like to play.

Also UMD average 25 bucks... Most good ones are 30, and you can get some decent older movies for 19.99

Maybe wherever you shop. The only $25 UMD's I have seen are Kill Bill, Pirates of the Carribean and House of Flying Daggers. Everything else I have seen has been ~$15 so you are getting ripped off.
uhhh... how much modding did you have to do in order to get those amazing load times. Because when I had my psp games would take as long as a MINUTE to load.
Oh enlighten us all knowing one on which PSP games take a minute to load.

The only PSP game that takes around that much time is MC3: Dub so if you say anything else you happen to be lying.

[David85]

150??? those are GBA games. not the DS games. Stop contradicting urself.

Movies? DS has none LOL. (You guys keep saying PSP movie playing is a gimmick, while many of you wants to get "play yan" "or "m3" LOL).


There are like 750 GBA games.

And I miscounted, there are only like 120 DS games to PSP 20 games.

Wow! I want movies that I can only play on a 4 inch screen!!!

I would jus buy a portable DVD player and a DS for the cost that the PSP is.

[MaxBiaggi3]

Wow! I want movies that I can only play on a 4 inch screen!!!

I don't see what what interests people in watching movies on a handheld. I used to think you lost something watching a theater film on a tv set. . . :roll:

[evilmax17]

The only PSP game that takes around that much time is MC3: Dub so if you say anything else you happen to be lying.
People have been saying that quite a lot in passing, as if its no big deal.

Loading times on a handheld IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM is pushing it as it is, and there shouldn't be even ONE game that takes a minute to load. It's absolutely inexcusable.

Also, I've heard Darkstalkers takes 20 seconds (while not a minute, it's still 17 seconds too long).

[praystation]

There are like 750 GBA games.

And I miscounted, there are only like 120 DS games to PSP 20 games.

Wow! I want movies that I can only play on a 4 inch screen!!!

I would jus buy a portable DVD player and a DS for the cost that the PSP is.
WOW. I would rather watch my movies on PSP 4 inches screen than watching Movie on DS+Playyan on its tiny screen. LOL YOU.

120 DS games? U play Japanese games too?? (DId you count the Japanese games for PSP?) -God told u to be biased?

[praystation]

People have been saying that quite a lot in passing, as if its no big deal.

Loading times on a handheld IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM is pushing it as it is, and there shouldn't be even ONE game that takes a minute to load. It's absolutely inexcusable.

Also, I've heard Darkstalkers takes 20 seconds (while not a minute, it's still 17 seconds too long).

Sure, if PSPonly has 4MB of RAM like the DS, psp wont even have load time too. (anyway, not all cart based games has 0 loading time. Crazy taxi for GBA has loading time too- it says "now loading")

[praystation]

ANyway, for those who have said they have both DS and PSP, and still dissing one of em, YOU ARE BULLSHITTING. Just admit you don't have both already. I know saying "I got both" will make you sound "less fanboy" and "more knowledgeable." But when you say nonsensical things like "battery life under 2 hours with wifi turned off" or "all UMD games has 1 minute + load times", You are revealing your biased comment.

I have both. And I treat each of my "babies" equally.

My DS has small screen, cant play movie out of the box (Needs "PLay yan" / M3 add-on), the touch screen is good (for FPSes and RTSes and Minigames), eventhough it makes me wish to have an extra arm to use the stylus, the thumbstrap is gimmicky (my thumb can only reach half the screen without overstretching my thumb since I want to maintain complete control on the buttons), great games selection (many DS fanboys say PSP games are full of remakes / ports / rehashes - NOT TRUE, DS games like the DIgDUg: Digging strike, Ridge Racer DS, Space invader: revolution, SUper Mario 64 DS, Mr Driller are also remakes/ ports/ rehashes)

My PSP has slick screen, perfect for playing games, watching movies "on the go" (No you cant bring the movie theater with you on trips, MaxBiaggi3.), The weight could be less, and the minute+ loading time is not true at all, the battery life of <2 hours is not true at all either, great games (PSP fanboys say DS games are for kiddies -NOT TRUE at all, the upcoming REsident Evil 1 is bloddy as hell).

[Doom Gaze]

WOW. I would rather watch my movies on PSP 4 inches screen than watching Movie on DS+Playyan on its tiny screen. LOL YOU.

120 DS games? U play Japanese games too?? (DId you count the Japanese games for PSP?) -God told u to be biased?

You cannot type the word "you" out.

Therefore any opinion you hold on DS or anything else is invalid.

[praystation]

You cannot type the word "you" out.

Therefore any opinion you hold on DS or anything else is invalid.
LOL. Another nitpicker loser.

[stocker08]

WOW. I would rather watch my movies on PSP 4 inches screen than watching Movie on DS+Playyan on its tiny screen. LOL YOU.

120 DS games? U play Japanese games too?? (DId you count the Japanese games for PSP?) -God told u to be biased?

yes, buying $20 UMD movies are much better than buying DVD movies and being able to watch them on a TV, not a 4 inch screen. Shit, what if me and some other people wanted to watch the movie but i only had it for psp(and i am not going to rebuy movies for both) what would i say, " HEY EVERYONE, HUDDLE UP OVER HERE!" WERE GONNA WATCH A MOVIE!

[praystation]

yes, buying $20 UMD movies are much better than buying DVD movies and being able to watch them on a TV, not a 4 inch screen. Shit, what if me and some other people wanted to watch the movie but i only had it for psp(and i am not going to rebuy movies for both) what would i say, " HEY EVERYONE, HUDDLE UP OVER HERE!" WERE GONNA WATCH A MOVIE!

You bring your TV everywhere? Cool. You must be strong.

[irrossistable]

WOW. I would rather watch my movies on PSP 4 inches screen than watching Movie on DS+Playyan on its tiny screen. LOL YOU.

120 DS games? U play Japanese games too?? (DId you count the Japanese games for PSP?) -God told u to be biased?He said he was looking at the games on ebgames.com, which displays several future releases for both systems.

PSP is $250 plus $5 more than whatever the movie would regularly be on DVD. You can get a 5 inch TFT screen for $50. A cheapy dvd player will run you $20-30.

[CapAmerica]

You bring your TV everywhere? Cool. You must be strong.

$89 for a Portable DVD Player with a 7" screen
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882128002&CMP=OTC-Froogle&ATT=ADVUEU+AMW-M271+Portable+DVD+Player+W/+7%22+16:9+widescreen+LCD

Hmm... I think this is a 100x better deal then a PSP any day
$89 and I can watch any movie I own anywhere I want on a nice 7" screen AND I don't have to rebuy my movies it that lame ass UMD format.

[stocker08]

You bring your TV everywhere? Cool. You must be strong.

no, actually i just bring the dvds i want to watch with me.......and WATCH THEM ON A TV.....you know, so i can actually see whats going on without having to squint.......

[Survivor Charlie]

I think it's safe to say that PSP has not been off to a good start. I own one, with three games. I'm very satisfied with two of those three games and would continue to buy games for the system, assuming any good ones came out for it, which they haven't.

On the other hand, I have 21 Nintendo DS games and I expect to get another five-six this month alone. I wouldn't trade the experience of Mario 64 DS, Meteos, or Advance Wars for anything.

My PSP... I used it for NES emulation. Then I bought (the excellent) Namco Battle Collection and was forced to abandon the NES games. I haven't had any plans to buy any UMD Movies because I don't see the point in spending an extra $10-$20 on a movie that I already own on DVD.

The DS got off to a slow start. But there are good games on the way. Tons of good games. The PSP... just look at E3. I was embarssed for Sony. They have nothing.

[FriskyTanuki]

The DS got off to a slow start. But there are good games on the way. Tons of good games. The PSP... just look at E3. I was embarssed for Sony. They have nothing.
I saw a bunch of PSP games at E3, and played only a few of them. I took a look at what IGN had listed for coming out until the end of the year as counted this: 51 PSP releases coming until the end of the year (http://psp.ign.com/release/) and 52 releases for the DS. (http://ds.ign.com/release/) There are quite a few UMD releases, but that is simply because creating a UMD movie takes less time than it does to develop a game.

[Survivor Charlie]

In quality, they have little to nothing to offer this year. Medievil is the only game that looks ok.

[FriskyTanuki]

In quality, they have little to nothing to offer this year. Medievil is the only game that looks ok.
That's your opinion, not fact. To me, there's quite a few good games coming out this year for both systems.

[RAMSTORIA]

and playing emulators <I am at level 35, killed kefka. and almost done with FF3>

250 dollars to play old snes games on a sony machine... seems silly

[praystation]

250 dollars to play old snes games on a sony machine... seems silly

Silly? I dont think so. I think it's a PLUS. DS can't even emulate Sega Master System correctly at a decent speed.

I play Neogeo Pocket, NEoGeo CD, Sega genesis, NES, SNES, Sega Master System, SCUMMV. Doom 1, Doom2, Quake 2, Herectics, Duke NUkem 3d, Game Gear on PSP. I use it to watch home encoded movie (can the DS do this out of the box?) LOL.

You guys keep on babbling about watching DVD on TV, HEY, we are talking about "portability" here, Sure That Personal DVD player is portable. But can your $89 DVD player play games and surf Internet? One word. NO. (and DO people want to bring a Portable Game system with 7 inches screen? Also NO <PSP is huge enough already, you want anything bigger? like that guy said, bring a TV, LOL, if that's your idea of "portability">). So you get what you pay.

I also use PSP for my MP3s, watch music videos (Amuro Namie, UtadaHikaru, Guns n Roses, etc. I play my DS at home (I sure hope RTS games like starcraft will comeout on DS and utilize its touchscreen, or FPS games, which is more suitable on DS than on PSP due to the point and shoot accuracy touchscreen provides), but when I get out of the house? I always have PSP with me. I can do all the things above which I can't with DS.

[Rocko]

Emulators suck. Buy the actual game.

[GizmoGC]

Emulators suck. Buy the actual game.

Compelling arguement! Pleaselet me know how playing a portable NES is 'easy', Please let me know how to get my NES to stop blinking even after I replaced the pin. Please let me know where I can play extremly rare games for free. Oh,on the PSP. The only good thing its good for, Emulators.

[Sleepkyng]

I bought a DS because I want to play DS and gameboy advance games.

Why would I want to use it for anything else?

I've got an ipod and a laptop for all that other crap.

[David85]

I love how the agruement has become "I can play ILLEGAL copies of Nintendo's old games on my system!"

I really hope Nintendo begins cracking down on them, because they will loose Rev download money.

[Rocko]

Compelling arguement! Pleaselet me know how playing a portable NES is 'easy', Please let me know how to get my NES to stop blinking even after I replaced the pin. Please let me know where I can play extremly rare games for free. Oh,on the PSP. The only good thing its good for, Emulators.

Please let me know where you can do all that legally.

[praystation]

I bought a DS because I want to play DS and gameboy advance games.

Why would I want to use it for anything else?

I've got an ipod and a laptop for all that other crap.

I dont think you even have a laptop. If you do, don't you know a laptop is "heavy"? Or maybe you are just strong enough like the other guy to bring his TV around to watch DVD. My car broke down once and I had to bring my laptop, in its "bag." While standing in a bus, I kept on switching the bag on both left and right shoulder.

IPod? sure. Why would want to bring an ipod if I can bring ONE single thing that does the same thing as the IPOD does... WITH EXTRAS? It is so much better to hear... let's say Koda Kumi sings and dance at the same time (sure you can listen to songs on Ipod, but can you "see" something like Koda Kumi's dance on ipod? NO )

[praystation]

I love how the agruement has become "I can play ILLEGAL copies of Nintendo's old games on my system!"

I really hope Nintendo begins cracking down on them, because they will loose Rev download money.
Illegal? i welcome you to my house, I will give you the address, and you shall see my old SNES and EVERY single things I mentioned above. I only download the games I have, and not everything else, because things I don't buy usually suck!

[Rocko]

Think highly of ourselves, do we?

[ShockingAlberto]

Illegal? i welcome you to my house, I will give you the address, and you shall see my old SNES and EVERY single things I mentioned above. I only download the games I have, and not everything else, because things I don't buy usually suck!
Contrary to popular belief, that's still not actually legal.

[irrossistable]

You must have an older laptop (though mine's 10+ years old and is only about the weight of a school book) or be very small/weak. Laptops aren't very heavy at all.

Sure, the PSP can do a lot of stuff, but unlike an iPod (though another mp3 player probably would have been a better example), it isn't truly portable. It does have some weight to it, and it's definitely bulky, very inconvenient for an mp3 player.

What really bothers me about the PSP is price! Not just the system, which may not be that bad (but you could get a more powerful PDA for around the same price), but a 512 MB card for $70? A CF or SD card (which would work in aforementioned PDA) with the same capacity is only half as much. Games are also $10 more than on the DS. Also, web browsing sucks on it. Hell, you can get a DS w/GBAMP (hopefully the M3 for DS won't be too much more expensive) and a gig card for the same price as the PSP itself. Different strokes for different folks.

Shogun Warriors/Conflict comes our in October, so your wish for a DS RTS isn't too far off.

[GizmoGC]

When Sony starts releasing games that make the PSP more then a dust collector maybe I will consider getting rid of my ILLEGAL roms. Until then I will continue to play games made by Nintendo, Sega, Atari and so fourth.

[praystation]

You must have an older laptop (though mine's 10+ years old and is only about the weight of a school book) or be very small/weak. Laptops aren't very heavy at all.

Sure, the PSP can do a lot of stuff, but unlike an iPod (though another mp3 player probably would have been a better example), it isn't truly portable. It does have some weight to it, and it's definitely bulky, very inconvenient for an mp3 player.

What really bothers me about the PSP is price! Not just the system, which may not be that bad (but you could get a more powerful PDA for around the same price), but a 512 MB card for $70? A CF or SD card (which would work in aforementioned PDA) with the same capacity is only half as much. Games are also $10 more than on the DS. Also, web browsing sucks on it. Hell, you can get a DS w/GBAMP (hopefully the M3 for DS won't be too much more expensive) and a gig card for the same price as the PSP itself. Different strokes for different folks.

Shogun Warriors/Conflict comes our in October, so your wish for a DS RTS isn't too far off.

Alienware has been doing business for 10 years? lol The laptop, plus extra battery, plus its ac adapter, is... VERY HEAVY. Don't you know PSP is NOT just an MP3 player. Plus IPOD sucks anyway. My old Ipod's battery died in 8 month, Apple cnahed it once, and still it died in 6 months. Now my Ipod only plays for 30 minutes before it needs to be recharged. Apple wont even change it anymore for free.

[praystation]

You must have an older laptop (though mine's 10+ years old and is only about the weight of a school book) or be very small/weak. Laptops aren't very heavy at all.

Sure, the PSP can do a lot of stuff, but unlike an iPod (though another mp3 player probably would have been a better example), it isn't truly portable. It does have some weight to it, and it's definitely bulky, very inconvenient for an mp3 player.

What really bothers me about the PSP is price! Not just the system, which may not be that bad (but you could get a more powerful PDA for around the same price), but a 512 MB card for $70? A CF or SD card (which would work in aforementioned PDA) with the same capacity is only half as much. Games are also $10 more than on the DS. Also, web browsing sucks on it. Hell, you can get a DS w/GBAMP (hopefully the M3 for DS won't be too much more expensive) and a gig card for the same price as the PSP itself. Different strokes for different folks.

Shogun Warriors/Conflict comes our in October, so your wish for a DS RTS isn't too far off.

I got my 1 GB for $76 shipped. Without the accesories included the price is only about $180 (in Japan). You buy a DS plus M3 addon to play movie is 129+89 (either CF or SD model)+ SD card ($20-$130), which is way more than PSP.

[praystation]

When Sony starts releasing games that make the PSP more then a dust collector maybe I will consider getting rid of my ILLEGAL roms. Until then I will continue to play games made by Nintendo, Sega, Atari and so fourth.
My DS is the dust collector instead. Once I forgot to turn it off for 2 days in sleep mode. The last thing i heard was Mario saying "bye bye" when I closed the DS and let it go into sleep mode. 2 days later, my cousin friend's came and asked if he could play the ds. That is when I started looking for it, and found my SM64DS is still on (now dont bitch about how long the DS can last on sleep mode. I also don't turn off my PSP, I always put in on sleep mode. But this one is different. I always reember where I last put it, and always remember to comeback to play it, either playing wipeout or ridge racer online using the Xlink Kai tunneling service.

Anyway. I agree DS is irrelevant. I also Think PSP is irrelevant too. because they are in their own different league.

[praystation]

Anway, do I sound confuse? Maybe I am. Maybe I am just hurting when people dissing the PSP, or DS, because I have both of them. SO when PSP is ratted, I defend it, and when DS is ratted, I again defend it. ... Argghhh I am going nuts. Bye sleep time.

[Demolition Man]

IPod? sure. Why would want to bring an ipod if I can bring ONE single thing that does the same thing as the IPOD does... WITH EXTRAS? It is so much better to hear... let's say Koda Kumi sings and dance at the same time (sure you can listen to songs on Ipod, but can you "see" something like Koda Kumi's dance on ipod? NO )

Yeah, watching her dance would be entertaining for all of 10 seconds for me. Then I'd want to be able to carry more music with me.... therefore I'll stick to my Creative Labs Nomad Xtra. :applause:

And for the record... iPod sucks. Way overpriced, propritory format, etc etc etc.

[David85]

MP3 players are over priced. I was going to buy one and desided not because they are all ripoffs.

Unless I buy the 60GB iPod thats $400, but that's too much for me.

[CapAmerica]

Illegal? i welcome you to my house, I will give you the address, and you shall see my old SNES and EVERY single things I mentioned above. I only download the games I have, and not everything else, because things I don't buy usually suck!

Even if you own them it still Illegal to have ROMS.

I dont think you even have a laptop. If you do, don't you know a laptop is "heavy"? Or maybe you are just strong enough like the other guy to bring his TV around to watch DVD. My car broke down once and I had to bring my laptop, in its "bag." While standing in a bus, I kept on switching the bag on both left and right shoulder.

IPod? sure. Why would want to bring an ipod if I can bring ONE single thing that does the same thing as the IPOD does... WITH EXTRAS? It is so much better to hear... let's say Koda Kumi sings and dance at the same time (sure you can listen to songs on Ipod, but can you "see" something like Koda Kumi's dance on ipod? NO )

Dude if a Laptop is heavey for you, you need to work out alot more. Laptops are feaken light. My 17" Powerbook only weighs 6lbs. and my friends 12" Powerbook only weighs 4lbs.

You can watch Koda Kumi's danceing on you iPod soon with iPod Video coming out soon. Also Nyko has a addon that lets you want movies coming out soon too.
Also you all seem to forget that the iPod can be used as a nice external HDD. And why do people keep bitching about it propritory format, Dudes it can play more then ACC files. You just can't use it with crappy servies like Napster and Real.

And praystation I find it very unlikely that you even own a iPod and if you do your lieing about the problem. First off the only way for a iPod battiery to die like that is if you drain it compleatly over 500 times. IF thats the case you are pretty damn stupid. Also Apple will keep fixing their products if the problem keeps happening, This is one reason why they are #1 is coustomer servies. So if thats the case you are Dumb.

[Rocko]

DS isn't irrelevent, because if it wasn't for the DS more people would have a PSP. I know I would.

[RAMSTORIA]

Silly? I dont think so. I think it's a PLUS. DS can't even emulate Sega Master System correctly at a decent speed.

I play Neogeo Pocket, NEoGeo CD, Sega genesis, NES, SNES, Sega Master System, SCUMMV. Doom 1, Doom2, Quake 2, Herectics, Duke NUkem 3d, Game Gear on PSP. I use it to watch home encoded movie (can the DS do this out of the box?) LOL.

You guys keep on babbling about watching DVD on TV, HEY, we are talking about "portability" here, Sure That Personal DVD player is portable. But can your $89 DVD player play games and surf Internet? One word. NO. (and DO people want to bring a Portable Game system with 7 inches screen? Also NO <PSP is huge enough already, you want anything bigger? like that guy said, bring a TV, LOL, if that's your idea of "portability">). So you get what you pay.

I also use PSP for my MP3s, watch music videos (Amuro Namie, UtadaHikaru, Guns n Roses, etc. I play my DS at home (I sure hope RTS games like starcraft will comeout on DS and utilize its touchscreen, or FPS games, which is more suitable on DS than on PSP due to the point and shoot accuracy touchscreen provides), but when I get out of the house? I always have PSP with me. I can do all the things above which I can't with DS.

portability is nice and all, but you see, if i want to play an nes game, genesis, snes or any other system, i play it on my tv... at home... with its corrosponding system. i mean, i dont need to play ffvi that bad, if im going to be dropping hundreds of dollars on a psp i want to play psp games

on a side note.... recently i tried to justify buying a psp... i thought of ways i could fund it, save up, trade ins, ebay, etc... then i thought to myself, im crazy, there arent any games for it that i would personally want, not even on the horizon... so ill stick with the ol ds, which i quite enjoy. and when i play my ds i play ds games (or gba because of the better backlight)

[irrossistable]

Alienware has been doing business for 10 years? lol The laptop, plus extra battery, plus its ac adapter, is... VERY HEAVY. Don't you know PSP is NOT just an MP3 player. Plus IPOD sucks anyway. My old Ipod's battery died in 8 month, Apple cnahed it once, and still it died in 6 months. Now my Ipod only plays for 30 minutes before it needs to be recharged. Apple wont even change it anymore for free.
I didn't know what kind of laptop you had, I just know mine's old, and I find 5.5-6.5lb being average for laptops nowadays. That's really not heavy. And Alienware was established in '96 (no idea if they did laptops from the start though), so it's not far off.:p

I know it's much more than that, but you were saying how it was better than iPods/MP3 players because it can do more. I was arguing that it's not valid because mp3 players are designed to do one specific thing and do it well.

I got my 1 GB for $76 shipped. Without the accesories included the price is only about $180 (in Japan). You buy a DS plus M3 addon to play movie is 129+89 (either CF or SD model)+ SD card ($20-$130), which is way more than PSP.
You're thinking of the Play-Yan, which is very expensive, but the GBAMP is only $25-30. Even with the play-yan, it brings the price of the system to less than the MSRP for PSP and cards are half as much ($65 for a gig). You did score a great deal though.

Also, I think you should've been more persistent w/Apple about your problem. I've heard very few complaints about their customer service. And what's proprietary about the iPod? You can use more than iTunes to fill it up, you can play MP3's, though their AAC format is better.

[praystation]

Even if you own them it still Illegal to have ROMS.



Dude if a Laptop is heavey for you, you need to work out alot more. Laptops are feaken light. My 17" Powerbook only weighs 6lbs. and my friends 12" Powerbook only weighs 4lbs.

You can watch Koda Kumi's danceing on you iPod soon with iPod Video coming out soon. Also Nyko has a addon that lets you want movies coming out soon too.
Also you all seem to forget that the iPod can be used as a nice external HDD. And why do people keep bitching about it propritory format, Dudes it can play more then ACC files. You just can't use it with crappy servies like Napster and Real.

And praystation I find it very unlikely that you even own a iPod and if you do your lieing about the problem. First off the only way for a iPod battiery to die like that is if you drain it compleatly over 500 times. IF thats the case you are pretty damn stupid. Also Apple will keep fixing their products if the problem keeps happening, This is one reason why they are #1 is coustomer servies. So if thats the case you are Dumb.

Oh really? DO you always carry just the laptop? I always carry my laptop in its bag, always with an extra battery pack, and all the stuffs usually in it, including the usb fan, video out cable, which both dont weigh a whole lot. But with the whole thing. It is heavy. WIth a backpack, and laptop bag , I had to switch shoulder a lot. like every 20 minutes. It's not "feather like" heavy like what you guys are describing. Maybe you guys own that tiny vaio?

Yes, I do own an ipod. Infact I have too many mp3 players. Istarted mine with rio 64MB. That was really old. then moves to jmtek 128 MB (I have 2), then RiO fuse (128MB), then Ngage, then RiO Sport (256Mb + expandable), then to IPOD 30GB. then PSP.

Itunes? You can buy Mp3 from SONY too, if u have the 2.0 firmware. or download the mp3 unto your mstick with gmail.

500 charge? DO you know that the battery starts to decline in its "maximum capacity" when you reach around half of the 500 charges? All my li-ion powered nstuffs are like that. The new Ngage when using BLC 6C li-ion can play Ngage games for 10 hours. Now it's like only 4 hours after 10 months of using. 500 charges? I do not think so. My cousin's GBA SP? Same thing. By 500 charges You will lose most if not all of the maximum capacity already.

I heard about websites that mod your Ipod making it taking AAA batteries instead of the expensive battery replacement. Maybe I am going to do that. Or maybe not. I ddnno yet. And if you have never dealt with Apple about changing the battery STFU, many people like me had already expericenced that.

Anyway read this article.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,67726,00.html

14 months? good for them. Mine didnt last that long. I duuno why. But it did. Now it has to sit in its BOSE docking at home all the time to play mp3. APple also dont keep changing the battery. Now I think YOU are the one who doesnt have an Ipod. Everybody knows that. Apple only allows you to take back the ipod and had the battery changed IF your Ipod is still under its warranty. Read the article. I never got the $50 coupon, andn the 2 years extension warranty is gone without me knowing it.

[praystation]

I didn't know what kind of laptop you had, I just know mine's old, and I find 5.5-6.5lb being average for laptops nowadays. That's really not heavy. And Alienware was established in '96 (no idea if they did laptops from the start though), so it's not far off.:p

I know it's much more than that, but you were saying how it was better than iPods/MP3 players because it can do more. I was arguing that it's not valid because mp3 players are designed to do one specific thing and do it well.


You're thinking of the Play-Yan, which is very expensive, but the GBAMP is only $25-30. Even with the play-yan, it brings the price of the system to less than the MSRP for PSP and cards are half as much ($65 for a gig). You did score a great deal though.

Also, I think you should've been more persistent w/Apple about your problem. I've heard very few complaints about their customer service. And what's proprietary about the iPod? You can use more than iTunes to fill it up, you can play MP3's, though their AAC format is better.

No I am talking about m3. Dint I say M3 a cpuple of times? Don't know about M3?
Here, enlighten yourself:
http://www.m3adapter.com/products.htm

Anywa. for those ppl who tell me that I can "do all that crap" on laptop. Why dont you listen to youyr MP3 on laptops too? LOL

[praystation]

anyway my 51m always feel more than 9.6 lbs as stated by alienware. It's more like 12 lbs. Your powerbook is only 6lbs? Well. Good for you. I believe 51m is made with PC components that make it haevy.

[praystation]

anywa, this topic has gone from 1 topic to a new one. Let us stop this ok? And dont claim you have an Ipod if you dont. In fact, dont claim you have anything that you dont. because when you make silly comments like ...Also Apple will keep fixing their products if the problem keeps happening, This is one reason why they are #1 is coustomer servies. It kinda reveals that you dont know shit about it.

[Rocko]

Man, 4 worthless posts. Woohoo!

Did you ever consider that ultimate portability isn't the ultimate issue here, and that some people would rather pay a little more to have a couple portable things than have one that does everything poorly?

[pigeonpickup]

I hate how he relates innovation to gimmickry.

[whoknows]

I saw a bunch of PSP games at E3, and played only a few of them. I took a look at what IGN had listed for coming out until the end of the year as counted this: 51 PSP releases coming until the end of the year (http://psp.ign.com/release/) and 52 releases for the DS. (http://ds.ign.com/release/) There are quite a few UMD releases, but that is simply because creating a UMD movie takes less time than it does to develop a game.

I am excited for MediEvil Resurrection, GTA: Liberty City Stories, Armored Core: Formula Front, Star Wars Battlefront II, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo, Mortal Kombat: Deception Unchained (I didnt even know this was coming out), Infected. GT4: Mobile, Monster Hunter Portable, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat, Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Tales of Eternia, Untold Legends 2, Burnout Legends, Daxter,The House of the Dead 4 (Didnt know this was coming out for PSP), and Tokobot (whenever that comes out), and Devil May Cry, so its going to be pretty good for the PSP gamewise.

There are a bunch of games I have no clue about (Advent Shadow and The Con) but I'm pretty happy with the coming PSP games.

[Zer0X1999]

When Sony starts releasing games that make the PSP more then a dust collector maybe I will consider getting rid of my ILLEGAL roms. Until then I will continue to play games made by Nintendo, Sega, Atari and so fourth.

I"m in the same boat, except I don't even play the ROMs anymore since I bought Advance Wars: DS.

[Weedy649]

portability is nice and all, but you see, if i want to play an nes game, genesis, snes or any other system, i play it on my tv... at home... with its corrosponding system. i mean, i dont need to play ffvi that bad, if im going to be dropping hundreds of dollars on a psp i want to play psp games

on a side note.... recently i tried to justify buying a psp... i thought of ways i could fund it, save up, trade ins, ebay, etc... then i thought to myself, im crazy, there arent any games for it that i would personally want, not even on the horizon... so ill stick with the ol ds, which i quite enjoy. and when i play my ds i play ds games (or gba because of the better backlight)

Well its funny you mention that.....because it seems to me PSP games are nothing but PS2 ports so i dont see whats wrong with wanting to play gen snes nes etc on it.

[Rocko]

What's wrong is that:

A, it's illegal.

And B, you can just play the games on your console.

[simpsonps121]

Hmm.. This is always a neat read for a while. And then the fan boys trash it. There have been a couple of tremendous posts in this thread. Particularly Praystations. What a great comparison.

I own both the DS and PSP. But my reason for owning was a little different. I bought the DS so I could play GBA games. (Sold my GBA, turned around the cash and credit to get the DS.) I enjoy the DS, when I play it. My kids love it a lot. They love to be able to use the stylus. I actually even bought a DS for my cousin. Am I disappointed with the DS? Nope. It was only $150, and in my opinion was an upgrade over the GBA.

The PSP - I almost did not buy it. But I am glad I did. I figured the PSP was not going to be a game machine. It was marketed as a multi-media device. (remember the commercial of the music, movie and game, all on the psp?) And I have thoroughly enjoyed putting the other uses of the PSP to use. I would never buy an IPOD, or a UMD playable device, or even a pocket PC. But the PSP gives me a portion of all of those worlds. And games to boot.

Now, I don't own a large library of games for either system (3 for DS, 5 or 6 for PSP) so I can not comment on any of that. But I will make a couple of other observations.

DS

1. DS - The stylus gets in the way of a good game. Some games are working so hard to include the stylus, that they are forgetting to make a good game.
2. DS - An absolutely HUGE advantage that it can play GBA games. That is great.
3. DS - They should implement a web browser. The stylus is set up better for that. (Don't know if the hardware is.)

PSP
1. I believe Sony has a couple of other BIG upgrades to their firmware. Until they finally show everything in their hand, they will not be pushing out a ton of new titles.
2. Load times are not a big deal guys. A little bit of patience is not a bad thing.

Overall
1. Competition is GOOD for the marketplace. So kudos to Sony for trying to enter it. Hopefully Sony and Nintendo will continue the fight for years to come.
2. Guys - Get out and play games with your friends. (ie - Invite your friends over to your house and play.) There is A LOT more enjoyment to be found playing with people than by yourself.

Take Care,
Matthew

[Mr.Answer]

Really the sony exec is right, the DS is irrelevant so is the PSP for that matter. Neither are say the Guttenburg Press, or Wheel, or refrigeration.

[evilmax17]

Taco Bell can say "McDonalds isn't competition because they're going after different markets" as much as they like, but that doesn't make it true.

[Rocko]

1. DS - The stylus gets in the way of a good game. Some games are working so hard to include the stylus, that they are forgetting to make a good game.


I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that you aren't playing DS-exclusive games.

Games produced across the board (NFSU:2, Madden, etc.) are never good when they try to include the stylus.

[Weedy649]

What's wrong is that:

A, it's illegal.

And B, you can just play the games on your console.

It wasnt an issue of whether its illegal or not. He said theres no point in playing them because you can just play the games on your console....

Lets look at games rated 8 or better on IGN.com for a moment...

NBA Street
MLB
Twisted Metal
Ridge Racer
Wipeout
Lumines
THUG 2 Remix
Hot Shots Golf

...Aside from Lumines, which of those cant i play on a PS2?

dont forget
MVP baseball
Dead to Rights
Untold Legends(aka Champs of Norrath clone)
Midnight Club 3

I think you should get the point. While Lumines and like Mercury arent going to be found on your console, most all PSP games are nothing but ports to play on the go. If I wanted to play NBA Street, i could play it at home with up to 4 people or online against other people right?

I can play most PSP games on a console, but they are made portable for a reason. Besides the Nintendo DS(due to stylus) you could argue that no game is worth playing on the go because you can play it at home....but portablility is about playing games ON THE GO, which is fun even for games you could play at home.

[morilla]

So...I recently bought a laptop. 12.5 inch Dell Inspiron 700m. I'm in Sony's target audiene of 18-30 something males, and my income easily accomodates such a purchase. (under 1K)

I was going to buy a PSP, but after I bought this laptop, everything that made the PSP attractive suddenly seemed pointless. This laptop has an 80GB hard drive, can surf the net, can play emulators, can play movies, can store music, can play PC games (not the most graphic intensive, but some) and the screen is much much bigger.

I own a DS and enjoy the various games via touchpad because playing the games on a PC does not offer the same experiene of view, touch, and interact via stylus. Unless the PSP has some kickass games that can't be replicated on my PS2, then I'm just flat out not interested.

Now then...how many other guys in the target market feel the way I do? I've already got my all in one portable media device here...where's the game machine part of the PSP?

[simpsonps121]

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that you aren't playing DS-exclusive games.

Games produced across the board (NFSU:2, Madden, etc.) are never good when they try to include the stylus.

Thanks for the post.

Actually, all that I own are DS exclusive games. (Feel the Magic, Mario 64, demo of Nintendogs and demo of Metroid.)

Those games are for the most part fun. But, there are many others that have added the stylus, and would have been better served to not even bother with it. Spend the development time on something useful. (Madden, Spiderman, driving games, etc.)

Also, there are times where the stylus feels like a gimmick in the games that I own. (Mario 64 - How many "matching" type games can you have? Feel the Magic - Oh please, not another "rubbing" game)

Just my 2 cents,
Matthew

[GizmoGC]

What's wrong is that:

A, it's illegal.

And B, you can just play the games on your console.

Yeah, let me know when the ROM police start arresting people. I would wager a safe bet nearly 75% of all CAGS have roms on their PSP, GP32, GBA/DS, or even their computer. Get over the fact thats its 'illegal'. How many people here that own a PSP have TV shows, Clips, etc. on their PSP that they downloaded from Bit Torrents or 'other' places. Get off you're ROM high horse as this discussion really has nothing to do with the ubject on hand. If you forgot, its that the PSP has no games available to play, and people will find other ways to enjoy their $250 door stop.

[irrossistable]

No I am talking about m3. Dint I say M3 a cpuple of times? Don't know about M3?
Here, enlighten yourself:
http://www.m3adapter.com/products.htm

Anywa. for those ppl who tell me that I can "do all that crap" on laptop. Why dont you listen to youyr MP3 on laptops too? LOL
I know OF the M3 Adapter. However, I don't see a price on that site.

For the very same reasons as why PSP isn't a great mp3 player.

anyway my 51m always feel more than 9.6 lbs as stated by alienware. It's more like 12 lbs. Your powerbook is only 6lbs? Well. Good for you. I believe 51m is made with PC components that make it haevy.
Guess what your problem is? ALIENWARE! They are all about power in their systems.

[stocker08]

. Don't you know PSP is NOT just an MP3 player. Plus IPOD sucks anyway. My old Ipod's battery died in 8 month, Apple cnahed it once, and still it died in 6 months.

Yea, thats becuase you dont know how to use it. You charge it fully when you buy it......and before charging it again, you wait until the battery dies or is down to almost nothing left...........or were you banging it against a rock????

[CapAmerica]

anywa, this topic has gone from 1 topic to a new one. Let us stop this ok? And dont claim you have an Ipod if you dont. In fact, dont claim you have anything that you dont. because when you make silly comments like It kinda reveals that you dont know shit about it.

A properly maintained iPod battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity after 400 full charge and discharge cycles.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html

Your stupid no matter what way you look at it with your iPod. If you discarged it enought to kill the battiey its your fault and if you had one of the Bad iPods why the fuck didn't you return it? If its broken return it, don't sit on it and then bitch about it later on.

Apple leads customer satisfaction survey, Dell falls:
Apple which remained number No. 1 in the survey, after grabbing the top spot in 2004.Bloomberg reports that Apple's customer satisfaction rating was unchanged at 81, while Dell's declined to 74 from 79 in 2004; among internet companies, Time Warner Inc.'s America Online had the biggest gain (rising to 71 from 67 a year ago), while HP rose 2 points from last year to 73 and Google scored 82 on the index. Apple has managed to keep its constomer satisfaction rating at the highest levels since 1994, while Dell slipped to the lowest levels since 1998, according to the report.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/16/apple.no..1.on.csi/

I've only had my iPod fixed once and that was cause the battiery was DOA. I've also had the battiery in my Powerbook replaced for free cause it was faulty, and that was 5 months after my 1 year warranty was up.

One of my friends has replaces the battiery in his Generation 1 iPod three times since he had it. The 3rd time was just recently. we just went down to the Apple store, they took it sent it to Apple and they replaces the battiery again for free.

I do carry my laptop everywhere I go and did use my Laptop for MP3s untill I got my iPod, I just disabled it from going in to sleep mode when I closed it. Pluged in my headphones and put it in my bag.

[CapAmerica]

Anyone else have a hard time taking a guy whos name in 'praystation' opinons seriously as unbiest to Sony?

[praystation]

What's wrong is that:

A, it's illegal.

And B, you can just play the games on your console.
I cant fit the all those old consoles in my pockets dumbarse

[praystation]

Anyone else have a hard time taking a guy whos name in 'praystation' opinons seriously as unbiest to Sony?

It's just a name. To mock the japanese playstation advertisement that I found "very funny" when the kid says "Purestesiong" (Pronounce: Praystasheeon). If I were a fanboy, WHY would I buy a DS??? Need a copy of the receipt Bregames.com sent to my email when I purchased the DS from them? I still have it.

[praystation]

[i]
I do carry my laptop everywhere I go and did use my Laptop for MP3s untill I got my iPod, I just disabled it from going in to sleep mode when I closed it. Pluged in my headphones and put it in my bag.

I have never heard of ANYbody who would use his/her laptop to play songs on the go. portable cd players are big enough already. You use LAPTOP for MP3? WOw you are nerdier than ANYbody I have EVER met on this planet we call Earth.

A: heyyy Is that a CD player you got there?
You: No.. It's my laptop.
A: WHUT???

[praystation]

Yea, thats becuase you dont know how to use it. You charge it fully when you buy it......and before charging it again, you wait until the battery dies or is down to almost nothing left...........or were you banging it against a rock????

My ipod uses Li-ion, not some Nickel MetalHydrate or Nickel Cadmium battery. You dont have to discharge a Li-ion battery.

[praystation]

DS fan like this one: Well its funny you mention that.....because it seems to me PSP games are nothing but PS2 ports so i dont see whats wrong with wanting to play gen snes nes etc on it.
complains about PSP "Ports/rehash" games. However, I found both DS and PSP has their share of rehash games as well.

Ridge Racer DS (Complete N64's Ridge Racer 64 with unusable touchscreen feature "minus" the mip mapping and "anti aliased textures")

Madden 05 (DS fanboys keep saying PSP games are "ports". If so what do you call this one? "bort?")

Space Invader: revolution (Space invader? Original? LOL)

DigDug: Digging STrike (DigDUg? Original? LOL)

Advance War: Dual Strike (Original? LOL)

RE: DS (Original? LOL)

SM64DS (Graphically toned down version of SM64 with 30 extra stars and playable Wario, Yoshi and Luigi, plus some mini games- Not Rehash?)

Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Not rehash?)

The Sims 2 (not port?)

Madden 06 (not port?)

Bomberman (not rehash? not port?)

Puyo Pop Fever (Another Puyo Puyo game?)

NFS Underground 2 (Not a port?)

Tiger wood PGA tour (Not a port?)

Asphalt Urban GT (Ngage port is not a port?)

Retro Atari classic (Not a rehash?)

Rayman DS (not a port?)

Are you guys just biased or I am just blind here? The two games I own here (SM64DS and RRDS play exactly like how I used to play years ago, of course you have some mini matching games, Yoshi: fower petal minigame and some other good ones). You don't call these rehashes?

Actually to tell you the truth, Rehashes are not bad at all.

Iheartmetal says portability is nice and all, but you see, if i want to play an nes game, genesis, snes or any other system, i play it on my tv... at home... with its corrosponding system. i mean, i dont need to play ffvi that bad, if im going to be dropping hundreds of dollars on a psp i want to play psp games



Sure when you are at home, playing madden 06 would be great on HDTV big screen and on home console with 5.1 sound system. I would love that idea, but when i get out of the house, and crave my share of Madden tackling and all, can I bring my console and TV with me?

[CapAmerica]

I have never heard of ANYbody who would use his/her laptop to play songs on the go. portable cd players are big enough already. You use LAPTOP for MP3? WOw you are nerdier than ANYbody I have EVER met on this planet we call Earth.

A: heyyy Is that a CD player you got there?
You: No.. It's my laptop.
A: WHUT???

Lets see my options were care around a lame CD player that with the slightest jolt would skip, Only could play one CD at a time, and Have to worry about CDs getting skratched in my bag. OR use my Laptop which I'm allready carrying, which can hold hours apone hours of music and won't skip.

Really having a hard time seeing this as nerdy.


SM64DS (Graphically toned down version of SM64 with 30 extra stars and playable Wario, Yoshi and Luigi, plus some mini games- Not Rehash?)

Are you smokeing crack? How the Fuck can you say SM64DS is a Graphically toned down version of SM64? SM64DS has FAR superior graphics.

Left: SM64DS - Right: SM64
http://nintenblog.free.fr/images/ds/comparatif_super_mario_64_DS_et_N64_20050225.jpg

Advance War is a franchise dumbass, Of corce its going to be similar to the other versions out there. But the game play is totaly differnt from the other versions. Might as well put every single sequal out there on your list if your going to put Advance War on it.

Almost every single game you listed is far from just a run of the mill port like almost all the PSP games. Each game on the DS takes advantage of the new technology that the DS brings to the table, None of thouse games play the same way as they do on the consoles. Your saying that just cause Mario64 and Ridge Racer a similar to your N64 counter parts that all DS games are clones of the N64 versions. Give me a fucken break.

[RAMSTORIA]

Sure when you are at home, playing madden 06 would be great on HDTV big screen and on home console with 5.1 sound system. I would love that idea, but when i get out of the house, and crave my share of Madden tackling and all, can I bring my console and TV with me?
right, and thats a psp game, and what i said was, id buy a psp for psp games, not for roms, so thanks for the support

[irrossistable]

No console is completely without ports/rehashes, but PSP certainly has a lot more than DS. From a personal standpoint, I'm more attracted to DS because I never had an N64.

Hating on Ridge Racer is bullshit. The touch screen works well and it's very fun to use it that way.

[praystation]

No console is completely without ports/rehashes, but PSP certainly has a lot more than DS. From a personal standpoint, I'm more attracted to DS because I never had an N64.

Hating on Ridge Racer is bullshit. The touch screen works well and it's very fun to use it that way.
Can you show me the video of you playing the RRDS smoothly with the thumbstrap ? or the stylus and win the first place? I can play RRDS without hitting any walls on the last round with Dpad and win the first place (last round requires as little drifts as possible, without hitting any walls). Can you do that with the thumbstrap? I want an original video. if you can. I will send you $1000 check. i will give you my address for you to send the video. I give you one week to do that. Cool? Let's prove you can do that instead of just babbling it out like some MOron who had never even played RRDS using the touchscreen.


Anyway Capamerica, I have never seen anybody using their laptop to play Mp3 on the go (the biggest mp3 player ever? WOW you rock dude!) Can you take a picture of yourself using carrying the laptop, with headphone plugged on the laptop listening Mp3? That would ROCK. (And you will see yourself mocked around the globe when I submit your picture into jokes/humor websites.

And Id I say ALL NDS game is N64 port? DId I? Are you just blind or plain tard or what? I think N64 is far more superior. Can You explain the pixelated fire, pixelated trees on SM64DS? That pixelly things are so 15 years ago. (Anybody played Doom1/2/final doom?)

[praystation]

CapAmerica. please post your picture with you using laptop as music player (here's an idea, stand on street corner, wear big jersey shirt and baggy pants, hold up your laptop with headphone plugged onto it, open the screen and ask somebody to take your picture with the headphone on your ears- Or this one: Have you seen those people who carry their boombox on the streets to play their Music OUTloud? yeah, do that, but use the laptop instead- and ask someone to take your picture). I bet even My paralyzed neighbor would laugh. LOL ^_^

[praystation]

Lets see my options were care around a lame CD player that with the slightest jolt would skip, Only could play one CD at a time, and Have to worry about CDs getting skratched in my bag. OR use my Laptop which I'm allready carrying, which can hold hours apone hours of music and won't skip.

Really having a hard time seeing this as nerdy.




Are you smokeing crack? How the Fuck can you say SM64DS is a Graphically toned down version of SM64? SM64DS has FAR superior graphics.

Left: SM64DS - Right: SM64
http://nintenblog.free.fr/images/ds/comparatif_super_mario_64_DS_et_N64_20050225.jpg

Advance War is a franchise dumbass, Of corce its going to be similar to the other versions out there. But the game play is totaly differnt from the other versions. Might as well put every single sequal out there on your list if your going to put Advance War on it.

Almost every single game you listed is far from just a run of the mill port like almost all the PSP games. Each game on the DS takes advantage of the new technology that the DS brings to the table, None of thouse games play the same way as they do on the consoles. Your saying that just cause Mario64 and Ridge Racer a similar to your N64 counter parts that all DS games are clones of the N64 versions. Give me a fucken break.

Like PSP games that are remakes/ ports/ rehashes. THEY are franchises too MORON (have you taken an IQ test before?) . If they aren't we would call it "Original" already.

[stocker08]

My ipod uses Li-ion, not some Nickel MetalHydrate or Nickel Cadmium battery. You dont have to discharge a Li-ion battery.

oh so...........i guess only your 2 ipods sucked. Hmm who would have guessed. You fanboy.

get the fuck out of this fourm if all you are going to do is be a fanboy towards Sony and everything sony and go into other threads to Say how bad they suck. Just shut the hell up you stupid ass.

[Weedy649]

CapAmerica. please post your picture with you using laptop as music player (here's an idea, stand on street corner, wear big jersey shirt and baggy pants, hold up your laptop with headphone plugged onto it, open the screen and ask somebody to take your picture with the headphone on your ears- Or this one: Have you seen those people who carry their boombox on the streets to play their Music OUTloud? yeah, do that, but use the laptop instead- and ask someone to take your picture). I bet even My paralyzed neighbor would laugh. LOL ^_^

Whats wrong with using a laptop for portable music? My friend uses it, hes far from a nerd. 4 years of high school football, and now a US Marine in Iraq. He uses his laptop in his car(uses an adapter so that it plays from his car's speakers). He uses it when at my house, or downstairs at his house. Many people at my college listen to music from their laptops while in the student lobby on campus.

Portable- Carried or moved with ease

Laptop is easy to carry, sure not in your pocket, but portable doesnt mean it has to fit in your pocket. It can be as small as a GBA Micro or big as a Laptop, its still easy to go with from place to place.

[Weedy649]

right, and thats a psp game, and what i said was, id buy a psp for psp games, not for roms, so thanks for the support

Actually he brought up an even better point against your arguement. He can play his Madden 06 on at home with 5.1 Dolby Digital, and a huge HDTV screen but that doesnt mean he wont want to play it on the go. You are saying old school games can be played on their consoles at home, but they actually are the same on the go than at home(no dolby digital or HDTV not even S-Video support)

I dont think you should buy a psp to play roms and NOT psp games but i dont see why you cant buy a psp to play psp games AND roms.

[praystation]

oh so...........i guess only your 2 ipods sucked. Hmm who would have guessed. You fanboy.

get the fuck out of this fourm if all you are going to do is be a fanboy towards Sony and everything sony and go into other threads to Say how bad they suck. Just shut the hell up you stupid ass.

You dont have to call anybody stupid just because their opinions are different from yours, right? I did that to CapAmerica as a retalitory saying. Did I ever call you stupid?

No i am not saying PSP will definetely own either. I bet FPS and RTS are going to won on DS. Look at all FPSes on console. Playing FPS without auto aim (like metroid prime / echoes) is hell. But with touchscreen precision, aiming would be as easy as playing FPSes on PC. FPSes on PSP alsop sucks. Look at Coded Arms. It's really touch to use the sniper.

RTS is the same way. Look atr Alien VS predator :extinction. or Warcraft 2 for both PS1 and Saturn. See how clunky the controls are? The touchscreen would rock!

Anyway Read my earlier posts. I am here to try to balance things out between PSP fanboys extremists and DS' ones. If I were a Sony fanboy. Why would I want to shell out cash to buy a DS? Or SNES 15 years ago? I also have an SP with flash cart (dont ask me how I use it).

[Rocko]

Praystation, you are a fool.

If someone ALREADY carries around a laptop, why carry around something else? Just listen to the music already on the HD. Even you should understand that.

[irrossistable]

Like PSP games that are remakes/ ports/ rehashes. THEY are franchises too MORON (have you taken an IQ test before?) . If they aren't we would call it "Original" already.
He's right though, AW:DS is a SEQUEL, not a remake like some of the others you mentioned.

Have you ever tried tapping in RRDS? Just tap near the bottom of the screen in the direction you need to go and simply hold it down for the bigger turns. It works pretty well. And of course it's harder, it even says so in the game. Sure, I'll try and get a video up, but I don't think I have anything to record with unless I take segmented videos with my digital camera. And does track matter?

[Weedy649]

Anyway Read my earlier posts. I am here to try to balance things out between PSP fanboys extremists and DS' ones. If I were a Sony fanboy. Why would I want to shell out cash to buy a DS? Or SNES 15 years ago? I also have an SP with flash cart (dont ask me how I use it).

Hmm, i dont think owning both systems, automatically says "hey im not a fanboy since i can afford both" or just because you own one system, it means "Hey im a fanboy and i wont support that other portable because of the makers, not because i only need 1 portable console".

Besides all of this, what the hell does buying an SNES 15 years ago have to do with sony? Thats like me saying, hey i bought an N64 years ago, so im not a xbox fanboy!

Your not really a balance man, you actually seem to just argue with the DS fans and the PSP fans by saying things that dont make sense. So what if i dont score 1st place in Ridge Racer, if i wanted to score easy, id go pay for a hooker. I want challenge in my game!

BTW irross...how do you expect to hold your DS, play with the stylus, and get a good video of it with a digital camera at the same time? 0_0 Doesnt seem like it would work, especially since a slight vision difference between you and the camera towards the DS could make the footage bad

[stocker08]

You dont have to call anybody stupid just because their opinions are different from yours, right? I did that to CapAmerica as a retalitory saying. Did I ever call you stupid?

No i am not saying PSP will definetely own either. I bet FPS and RTS are going to won on DS. Look at all FPSes on console. Playing FPS without auto aim (like metroid prime / echoes) is hell. But with touchscreen precision, aiming would be as easy as playing FPSes on PC. FPSes on PSP alsop sucks. Look at Coded Arms. It's really touch to use the sniper.

RTS is the same way. Look atr Alien VS predator :extinction. or Warcraft 2 for both PS1 and Saturn. See how clunky the controls are? The touchscreen would rock!

Anyway Read my earlier posts. I am here to try to balance things out between PSP fanboys extremists and DS' ones. If I were a Sony fanboy. Why would I want to shell out cash to buy a DS? Or SNES 15 years ago? I also have an SP with flash cart (dont ask me how I use it).

yea, sorry about all that. I was just saying that you dont need to bash everything. Its ok to say that there is problems with the DS or you dont like it. But to come here and say that PSP kills it, or the DS just plain old sucks isnt cool.

[GreenMonkey]

Hahahaha

PSP as an MP3 player: Too big, bulky, and heavy. Where can you comfortably put that for listening to MP3's on the go? Decent size 1-2GB Memory Stick Pro Duo = big $.

PSP as a movie device: Buying low-rez movies (of a limited selection for that matter) in another format. Sure, go spend $15 on a UMD movie that you can ONLY play on the PSP. A portable DVD player or a laptop does this 8000% better. Hell my wife's portable DVD player holds a charge longer than the PSP.


Argue the games if you want, if you are a big sports gamer, or racing gamer maybe, you can argue the game library. But as a hybrid mp3 player/movie watching device/ etc it's a bad argument.

And as far as lugging them all around...who, FFS, needs a DVD player, an mp3 player, and a video game machine, all on the go? Talk about short attention spans.


14 months? good for them. Mine didnt last that long. I duuno why. But it did. Now it has to sit in its BOSE docking at home all the time to play mp3


The purchase of a Bose product tells me worlds about your idea of value. :rofl: Poor, subpar speakers at insane markups. As they say, "No highs, no lows, must be Bose".

And try not to post 3 times in a row. There's an Edit button. Use it.

[Sleepkyng]

hey, you're the first person on CAG I've seen to know the Bose saying.

you into hifi?

[sblymnlcrymnl]

The purchase of a Bose product tells me worlds about your idea of value. :rofl: Poor, subpar speakers at insane markups. As they say, "No highs, no lows, must be Bose".

:lol:

B&W (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/global.main) for life right here. 8-)

[Sleepkyng]

gotta stick with my guns
http://www.totemacoustic.com/english/

[praystation]

DS does not suck. Imagine playing Let's say Quake 2 on it, we can do all the precise aiming as on PC, unlike PSP's owners if quake2 were to come on PSP, they will have to use the analog nub to "try to lock onto" the enemies. I played Metroid Hunter demo again last night. It never stopped amazing me. I remember playing GTA: VIce city on Xbox, I always had hard time pin pointing the enemies in the middle of gun fights while using sniper rifle.

Bose docking for Ipod is not good? Really? I find it kinda good. Everymorning when I start the shaving / shower routines, I always tune it up high and I can still hear pretty well in the shower with the exhaust fan turned on (even though the unit is in my room, and facing the other way).

[Strell]

Whoa. Can I still get in on the $1000 check "finish first in RR DS using the stylus and/or thumbpad" contest? I'm sure I could get that done within a few hours.

[praystation]

He's right though, AW:DS is a SEQUEL, not a remake like some of the others you mentioned.

Have you ever tried tapping in RRDS? Just tap near the bottom of the screen in the direction you need to go and simply hold it down for the bigger turns. It works pretty well. And of course it's harder, it even says so in the game. Sure, I'll try and get a video up, but I don't think I have anything to record with unless I take segmented videos with my digital camera. And does track matter?

That is what i am talking about. Because I keep hearing PSP games are ports/remakes/rehashes. When You see the list, there are only 5-6 ports (Tigerwood PGA tour, Dynasty Warrior, Darkstalker, NFL street , NBA street, and Namco museum) The rest are sequels and originals.

[praystation]

So CapAmerica, have you taken that picture yet? C'mon you dont have to do it for me. Do that for the charity reason. The next door grandma has stroke and on complete bed rest. She is just "waiting" for her time to come. It would be awesome if she can at least laugh abit.

[Spoon_si]

IONO... Another PSP Vs. DS Thread...

I have owned both, sold the PSP months ago... I enjoy the DS alot more...
I bought a handheld to play games, not watch movies....

IMO sony needs to get off the their high horse cuz the DS is in the same market as them...
weather they admit it or not... I don't see PSP raining on DS parade anytime soon...

[Sarang01]

Sales for the week of August 15-21 (Japan)

DS - 80,945
PS2 - 33, 292
PSP - 23, 923

Yup...real irrelevent.

Funny thing. When I was in Japan a couple of months after the PSP had launched it seemed the PSP games were cheaper than the DS one's and here it's the opposite.
Oh and about the price drop, mark my words: 360 launch.

[CapAmerica]

Whats wrong with using a laptop for portable music? My friend uses it, hes far from a nerd. 4 years of high school football, and now a US Marine in Iraq. He uses his laptop in his car(uses an adapter so that it plays from his car's speakers). He uses it when at my house, or downstairs at his house. Many people at my college listen to music from their laptops while in the student lobby on campus.

Portable- Carried or moved with ease

Laptop is easy to carry, sure not in your pocket, but portable doesnt mean it has to fit in your pocket. It can be as small as a GBA Micro or big as a Laptop, its still easy to go with from place to place.

Almost anyone in my college who had a laptop used theirs as a MP3 player too. Its there why not use it? Why should we have two systems to play MP3s?

I uses to use my laptop in my car too. Had it tied into my stereo. It was pretty nice, I also had some Map program on it that would speak directions, which came in very useful on more then one occasion.

[GreenMonkey]

hey, you're the first person on CAG I've seen to know the Bose saying.

you into hifi?

Kind of. I'm like a low-budget Home Theater geek. All the aforementioned consoles are on the A/V receiver rack, hooked up to an Infocus X1 DLP projector. Onkyo TX-SR601 receiver, cheap but decent Fluance speakers (good bang/buck value speakers, upgrade to Paradigm + SVS sub will happen someday). Faroudja-based Zenith DVB318 DVD player (that I'm not that fond of, honestly). 100" of gaming and movies, yeah baby :D

Quasi-regular on AVSforum & hometheaterforum too :D

To praystation: I don't know a lot about the Ipod dock, but Bose speakers pretty much suck. Ask anyone knowledgeable about HT. Here's some links for reading, us HT geeks love to enlighten people so they don't waste their money on crappy speakers. At least when the White Van scammers rip off people they only get a couple hundred $, Bose sucks up a couple of grand.

http://liquidtheater.com/editorial_56.html
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

My only personal day-to-day experience with Bose products is my car. The crappy Bose setup in my Grand Prix GTP makes my ears hurt on any sort of high notes - tinny and very HARSH. I don't have the money to yank out their system yet though, it is installed funny with non-standard speaker wire and individually pre-amped speakers as I understand. A few hundred $ to get rid of it all, and if I yank the head unit I lose my heads-up display of the radio station & CD tracks. :cry:

PS - To stay on topic bashing this Sony rep for mouthing off. To Sony exec: apparently it is the PSP that is irrelevent, as DS & SP sales appear to be virtually unaffected by the PSP. :-P :-P

[Sleepkyng]

I had to sell most of my hifi to fund my trip to china

Old setup: Pro-ject 6.1 Turntable with a Sumiko Blue Point -> NAD PP2 -> Melos Sha 1 Hybrid Preamp -> Teac Tripath Single Bloc -> Totem Rokk Bookshelfs

we're on opposite ends in terms of preference - it's 2 channel for life!

[GreenMonkey]

Eh

2 channel mode for stereo Music
5.1 for movies/games

:D

[Metalfan036]

Keep in Minds that soon Sony itself will become irrelevant...They were once the great Sony, responsible for the original playstation and all that crap and now, after making Sony fans wait for the PS3 for the longest time, it ends up being a flop. I can think of a bunch of people that returned their PS3 within 24 hours saying that they got all that and more from an XBOX. now the only good reasons to buy a PS3 lies with Gran Turismo 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4.

Coders would rather code for the Xbox over the PS3 beacuse the Hardware is complex. Nintendo has it's target audience and they are not going anywhere, because in my opinion, Nintendo has a little bit to offer everyone.

The PS2 was good for it's time, the PSP in my opinion was a flop )and yes i owned one) the screen was nice but the only game i enjoyed playing was Twisted Metal Head on.

With more people turning to the Xbox instead of the Sony, im thinking that Microsoft has a MAJOR Lead on Sony in terms of coders, manpower, and being backed by the Richest Man on Earth certainly ensures their future for years to come...

Of course, this is my humble opinion, dont send me all kinds of hateful messages ok?...please :)

[whoknows]

Now you bumped a TWO YEAR OLD thread.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

[Apossum]

Keep in Minds that soon Sony itself will become irrelevant...They were once the great Sony, responsible for the original playstation and all that crap and now, after making Sony fans wait for the PS3 for the longest time, it ends up being a flop. I can think of a bunch of people that returned their PS3 within 24 hours saying that they got all that and more from an XBOX. now the only good reasons to buy a PS3 lies with Gran Turismo 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4.

Coders would rather code for the Xbox over the PS3 beacuse the Hardware is complex. Nintendo has it's target audience and they are not going anywhere, because in my opinion, Nintendo has a little bit to offer everyone.

The PS2 was good for it's time, the PSP in my opinion was a flop )and yes i owned one) the screen was nice but the only game i enjoyed playing was Twisted Metal Head on.

With more people turning to the Xbox instead of the Sony, im thinking that Microsoft has a MAJOR Lead on Sony in terms of coders, manpower, and being backed by the Richest Man on Earth certainly ensures their future for years to come...

Of course, this is my humble opinion, dont send me all kinds of hateful messages ok?...please :)


it's over, finished, etc. etc.

[GizmoGC]

WTF. Someone lock this.

[foltzie]

Yeah, quit bumping this old thread.