Why are Square/Enix so stupid?

[Rodimus]

This was taken from Maigc Box so I asume it's correct info.

EGM interviewed Square Enix director Yoshinori Kita, regarding to the possibility of a PS3 remake of Final Fantasy VII; He said it would take a team of 300 people to develop the remake in the quality of PS3, and the development would last 5 years. He has so many other projects in the pipeline and a FFVII remake would be a heavy task. He commented if the timing is right, it is a very interesting perspective. It seems Square Enix's first PS3 project is presumably Final Fantasy XIII, instead of the FFVII remake.

A FFVII remake is a very intresting perspective? More like It's a very big money making perspective that won't require much effort. I love it how they talk about a FFVII remake being fresh news, like "wow that might be a good idea." Either do it or quit giving FFVII fans blue balls.

I'm not part of a FFVII remake petition or anything, but I would love to see a playable Cloud on the PS3.

[Kaijufan]

While I'm not a big fan of FFVII, I have to agree with you. A FFVII remake would sell like crazy.
What I really want to know is why SE isn't working on a new Chrono game.

[Odenat]

I would much rather see a Vagrant Story sequal than a remake of FFVII

[opportunity777]

Where is Chrono sequel? How about another Mana game? Where is Seiken Densetsu 3 in a compilation pack with other Square games that didn't make it over like Tobal 2?

[Basil]

What I really want to know is why SE isn't working on a new Chrono game.

All "Chrono Trigger" fans need to keep their eyes aimed at Mistwalker, the new developement company helmed by Hiranobu Sakuguchi (the creator of the original FF and various other Square properties including "Chrono Trigger"). Currently they have a game in development that teams Sakuguchi with Akira Toriyama (the artist and mangaka behind the game art designs for "Chrono Trigger" and "Dragon Quest VIII") called "Blue Dragon". Thiis will be the first time the duo has teamed up since the making of "Chrono Trigger" as they both declined to work on the "Chrono Cross" project.

Mistwalker is currently developing only for Xbox 360 and the Nintendo DS, but their games will be the new legends we talk of tomorrow.

They are also the sole reason I want an Xbox 360

-geekstyle-

[j.elles]

Dragon Quest 5 remake ported here. Would like to see that. Theres the mana DS game coming out. Other then that like others said development with top graphics for the new systems is going to take a lot of time people and money.

The more I think about it and here the news the more I think nintendo is smart with 512 MB of flash with a possible upgrade for more. I mean 360 will have a core, and PS3 its going to be sold seperatly. Nintendo won on that front. Plus they said there trying to make it much easier to develop for then Sony and M-soft are.

Those X-box RPGs though. Those look pretty good. I think with that combined with Bioware the 360 is shaping to be a definite buy for RPG fans. If FF: CC the Mana game, and that FF3 port or whatever that no ones hear from since it was announced sell really well for the DS a lot more ports and new games might be converted to the DS as well. heres hoping.

[VGI-Shinobi]

Square Enix just want to wait on the results of FF7:AC sales before making any decision regards FF7 remake. They have made spin-off FF7 games; if all goes well then they will continue milking the FF7 cashcow. It's just too much of something is not a good thing.

[zola]

I would much rather see a Vagrant Story sequal than a remake of FFVII

Yeah, I've been waiting years for this too. Ever since that last line, "And thus begins the story of... The Vagrant."

[zionoverfire]

I think squarenix is afraid that once they start doing more remakes (they've already done some improvements for origins, DoS etc.) that they won't make anything new because all the old stuff sells so well. An FF7 remake would be cool but what would their next project be a remake of Chrono Trigger, followed by a remake of FF6? Better graphics are always nice but unless the story changes the overall game remains nearly the same.

[Vinny]

You ask this question now? They've been stupid ever since FFX-2 was developed.:D

I seriously lost a lot of faith in them after FFX-2. Square-Enix's days of great are long gone... we'll never see anything in the same caliber as FFVI, FFVII, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Vagrant Story, Xenogears or Secret of Mana.

I want sequels to so many of their great classic but at the same time, I fear they'll most likely fuck it up. The only thing they have going for themselves now is Kingdom Hearts.

[Kain Vincent]

You ask this question now? They've been stupid ever since FFX-2 was developed.:D

I seriously lost a lot of faith in them after FFX-2. Square-Enix's days of great are long gone... we'll never see anything in the same caliber as FFVI, FFVII, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Vagrant Story, Xenogears or Secret of Mana.

I want sequels to so many of their great classic but at the same time, I fear they'll most likely fuck it up. The only thing they have going for themselves now is Kingdom Hearts.

Kingdom Hearts II :applause: , can't wait.

I never played FFVI, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Vagrant Story, Xenogears or Secret of Mana. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[guardian_owl]

I still don't understand why they did not ever release Chrono Trigger for the GBA, that thing would have sold a ton.

[Rodimus]

I still don't understand why they did not ever release Chrono Trigger for the GBA, that thing would have sold a ton.

Hell yeah, I'd buy it.

[Michaellvortega]

Square-Enix is like Nintendo, you tell them exactly what you want and they ingnore you and look at you like your stupid, I guess that makes both of them exactly like my girlfriend.

[Rodimus]

Square-Enix is like Nintendo, you tell them exactly what you want and they ingnore you and look at you like your stupid, I guess that makes both of them exactly like my girlfriend.

Nice analogy!

[Rei no Otaku]

Square-Enix is like Nintendo, you tell them exactly what you want and they ingnore you and look at you like your stupid, I guess that makes both of them exactly like my girlfriend.
Can add Sega to that as well.

[guardian_owl]

Nice analogy!
I can't help myself, I chuckle every single time I see your sig.

[kill3r7]

Give a new chrono game or go fuck yourself Square/Enix

[Rodimus]

I can't help myself, I chuckle every single time I see your sig.

That's what it's there for. I think it's better to make people laugh than let them know what games you like. The first time I saw it I stared at it for a good 5 minutes just laughing. Anyways, I'm off topic, but hey, who cares.

[ch3zyp00fs]

I say its because they wont make a new Bust - A Groove (Move) dance game.

[bobo2k4]

Where is the Bushido Blade I've waited so many years for? Another Parasite Eve? A real Xenogears sequel?

I would love to play a updated version for FF7. Knights of the Round will kick ass better than ever.

[Rodimus]

Honestly when I started the thread I thought Square/ Enix fanboys were gonna flame me, but it looks like most people agree that they're stupid.

Funny how one of my favorite companies are so dense.

[GreenMonkey]

No brainers:

FF7 remake (graphics look very dated now, FF8,9 hold up a bit better, more FF7 fanboys)

GBA or DS
Chrono Trigger
FF4 or FF6
Ports of the Dragon Quest remakes for SNES

DS
Secret of Mana with wireless multiplayer for DS
Ditto for Seiken Denetsu 3

Or, less specifically:

#1 want:
Dragon Quest 5 or 6 port & official translation for ANY SYSTEM


There's a reason I'm watching the homebrew DS scene. I'm waiting for the SNESDS emulator to play Chrono Trigger, FF4 & FF6. Because Squenix is dumb. The sales of FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc on a portable would be stupendous. Because the PS1 ports suck, and because 2D RPGs are great on portables. And I would finally get around to playing SD3 & DQ5/6.

[Rodimus]

There's a reason I'm watching the homebrew DS scene. I'm waiting for the SNESDS emulator to play Chrono Trigger, FF4 & FF6. Because Squenix is dumb. The sales of FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc on a portable would be stupendous. Because the PS1 ports suck, and because 2D RPGs are great on portables. And I would finally get around to playing SD3 & DQ5/6.

Agreed. Capcom got with it and released Breath of Fire I & II, but to be honest I've never been a huge BoF fan. All the stories seem the same. Blue haired boy named Ryu meets a girl named Nina and he morphs into a dragoon and save the world.

[GreenMonkey]

I'm seriously considering a SNES flash cartridge for $80+shipping to play translated SD3, DQ5/6, Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia, etc on real SNES hardware.

I'd much rather toss that $90 to Square for a few of their titles instead. Too bad they don't want to sell them to me. :cry:

[GreenMonkey]

I guess they are getting smarter:

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/650/650891p1.html

FFIV for GBA

Now WTF is FFVI & Dragon Quest 5-6.

Discussion thread in GBA forum:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66674

[rokkon]

While I'm not a big FFVII fan (personally, I think it's overrated...give me IV anyday), I can see Squeenix's point. Even though FFVII is one of the most popular games on any system, I can see the hesitation to remake it. In general remakes don't sell well if they're the same game, even if it's bargain priced (I mean, would you rebuy your favorite game for $50-60 if all it had was an upgraded presentation? If you were like me, you'd probably wait for it to drop in price, if anything). On top of that, if they're talking about remaking it for PS3, well that's a whole other story right there. Development costs are in the millions, and the install base for PS3 is non-existant for now (they only have projections for PS3 sales, no hard numbers). Not to mention they're already taking a huge risk with AC (which I thought was another piece of overrated work). So I think it just comes down to economics to them.

If FF:AC does well, and the other FFVII spinoffs do well, and if they get a few development projects out for PS3, then I can see it being more feasible. It's much easier to remake a game when you already have an engine of some sort you can use on the console you're going to do it on. But as of right now, there are probably too many variables for them to deal with. Plus, it's not like Squeenix is the most profitable company out there, so spending money they don't have is a big no-no...for now anyway.

[RAMSTORIA]

my whole thing is... why did they make the ps3 demo of ff7 if they arent going to make the whole game... you know what thats like, thats like a girl playing with your balls and then walking away. and you know what happens to girls like that.... they end up in my trunk, and then lake shasta

[thingsfallnapart]

While I'm not a big FFVII fan (personally, I think it's overrated...give me IV anyday), I can see Squeenix's point. Even though FFVII is one of the most popular games on any system, I can see the hesitation to remake it. In general remakes don't sell well if they're the same game, even if it's bargain priced (I mean, would you rebuy your favorite game for $50-60 if all it had was an upgraded presentation? If you were like me, you'd probably wait for it to drop in price, if anything). On top of that, if they're talking about remaking it for PS3, well that's a whole other story right there. Development costs are in the millions, and the install base for PS3 is non-existant for now (they only have projections for PS3 sales, no hard numbers). Not to mention they're already taking a huge risk with AC (which I thought was another piece of overrated work). So I think it just comes down to economics to them.

If FF:AC does well, and the other FFVII spinoffs do well, and if they get a few development projects out for PS3, then I can see it being more feasible. It's much easier to remake a game when you already have an engine of some sort you can use on the console you're going to do it on. But as of right now, there are probably too many variables for them to deal with. Plus, it's not like Squeenix is the most profitable company out there, so spending money they don't have is a big no-no...for now anyway.

Well you must be the exception to the rule then, because every year 5 million people flock to madden despite just updated presenation, and they happily drop 50 bucks, and soon 60 too.

[DJSteel]

Those X-box RPGs though. Those look pretty good. I think with that combined with Bioware the 360 is shaping to be a definite buy for RPG fans. If FF: CC the Mana game, and that FF3 port or whatever that no ones hear from since it was announced sell really well for the DS a lot more ports and new games might be converted to the DS as well. heres hoping.

Xbox Rpgs

Good:
Star Wars :KOTOR 1 & 2
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind GOTY


Okay:
Jade Empire

Horrible:
Phantasy Star Online

[Cornfedwb]

Maybe I'm in the minority here... but whereas I enjoyed FF7, I would much prefer Square to spend their time and money producing a new FF game (or a new game period) rather then remaking a game with prettier graphics.

I've played FF7 why would I want to play it again instead of FF14?

[BREVITY]

I thought I recalled a interview with someone at square that said they whipped up the tech demo that was shown at E3 of FF7 in like a month or so and with using just a few people. With that logic I would I would think that it would also take a few people a short time to come up with a full version remake.

[MadFlava]

I have to agree with the people that brought up a Vagrant Story sequel. I really love that game, when the PS2 first came out it was the game that kept me busy until quality PS2 titles started to come out. Man, this reminds me that I still need to do the second play through to completely finish that game.

I believe that they shouldn't do remakes of older games but sequels to them. They should just do a direct sequel to FFVII instead of rehashing the first game.

[Kayden]

Maybe I'm in the minority here... but whereas I enjoyed FF7, I would much prefer Square to spend their time and money producing a new FF game (or a new game period) rather then remaking a game with prettier graphics.

I've played FF7 why would I want to play it again instead of FF14?

:rofl:

Thats assuming they can get 12 done this decade.

I don't see how they can say it would take 5 years. For a whole new game, yea... but they already have everything designed. A lot of the time in developement is planning and approving. They have the look of all the characters, they have the layouts of all the areas... Shouldn't they just be able to whip up some new artwork, a new weapon or two and a special new dungeon? That should only take 1-2 years max, ya?

[Kayden]

I have to agree with the people that brought of a Vagrant Story sequel. I really love that game, when the PS2 first came out it was the game that kept me busy until quality PS2 titles started to come out. Man, this reminds me that I still need to do the second play through to completely finish that game.

I believe that they shouldn't do remakes of older games but sequels to them. They should just do a direct sequel to FFVII instead of rehashing the first game.


I've started VS 3 times and I get to that town after the first dungeon and just stop playing...

[elwood731]

It would not take them five years to remake FF7. They use that as an excuse in case they end up NOT doing it. Check 1UP, though, and a new interview seems to indicate the game is in the planning stages, at least. Whether it gets past that ever is another story.

Frankly, I like FF7 but I like FF6 a whole lot better, and I think it would benefit more from an update to an entirely new look. Plus, the opera house....

[The Successful Dropout]

my whole thing is... why did they make the ps3 demo of ff7 if they arent going to make the whole game... you know what thats like, thats like a girl playing with your balls and then walking away. and you know what happens to girls like that.... they end up in my trunk, and then lake shasta

:lol:

[rokkon]

Well you must be the exception to the rule then, because every year 5 million people flock to madden despite just updated presenation, and they happily drop 50 bucks, and soon 60 too.

While you have a valid point, you're talking about (for the most part), a different audience. If you're going to play Madden a lot, then you're already thriving on repetitive gameplay. Then again, there are even Madden players that will argue that some iterations are more than just updated in the presentation area....

[Weedy649]

While you have a valid point, you're talking about (for the most part), a different audience. If you're going to play Madden a lot, then you're already thriving on repetitive gameplay. Then again, there are even Madden players that will argue that some iterations are more than just updated in the presentation area....

Try playing Madden 04, 05 then 06 and while minor, many changes make a big difference. Playmaker, Hit Stick, Truck Stick, QB vision, all make a difference on how the game plays. Dont forget roster updates make a huge difference, sports change all the time, even in MVP 05 where rosters are as of January 05, you have a video of Randy Johnson when the game starts saying hes from the diamond backs and such.

As for FFVII remake. I wouldnt mind if one was done, but i wouldnt care if they didnt. SE is giving us FFVII: AC, which is story continuation yet people complain that they wont rehash the old stuff to make more money. Im just glad that they giving new FFVII content in many different ways when they used to never return to a game once it was finished.

[Apossum]

FFVII remake in the Advent Children style + Launch it with the PS3 = $$$$$$$$$$$

Personally, I'd rather see this than the next FF.....the gameplay is still fun, but I hate they style they've been using. I prefer my protagonists to not look completely metro

[Kayden]

I think the materia system has been the best out of 7-X2