The Mayor of New Orleans is a moron.

[GameDude]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Date=20050902&ID=5084116


"Let's do something and let's fix the biggest *** crisis in the history of this country"

Yep...this is much bigger than the civil war.

[ph33r m3]

A moron? hey Mr.Inconsiderate, think about this. Your whole city is flooded by water, and a reporter comes up to you and asks "What are your thoughts Mr.Mayor?". What are you gonna say "everything's fine". It's the heat of the moment, the Mayor is the only one to come out and say "You wanna help? get off your ass and donate or come down here and help these people"

[zionoverfire]

Yep...this is much bigger than the civil war.

Which isn't over in the mind of some southerners. How about WW 2 dumbass.

[kittie]

I think Ray should be more pissed off at himself for his great preparations before this disaster, and running off with his tail between his legs at the first opportunity.

[GuilewasNK]

I think Ray should be more pissed off at himself for his great preparations before this disaster....

Agreed.

[mookiemeister]

I think he's just frustrated that the help is so slow to go there.

[Viva Las Vegas]

The thread starter is a moron.
You gonna bitch about anything someone says and go back in the history pages to show how wrong they are? Oh yeah "what about the holocaust", doesn't that trump the civil war? Your never gonna win stupid ass arguments like this, so best advivce is to STFU cause nobody likes hearing people bitch about nothing.

[ph33r m3]

biggest *** crisis in the history of this country

Oh yeah "what about the holocaust", doesn't that trump the civil war?
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[ukhoops]

1) How has he "run off" . He has been in New Orleans the enitre time to my knowledge.

2) The man broke down. Your city is in ruins, you aren't seeing any movement on the relief fronts, people are screaming for assistance and others are dying all around his city. What would you do? Sit passivly by and act as if all was well and good? I think not.

Ray Nagin should be applauded for his perserverance in the wake of the largest natural disaster in US history. All the preperations in the world would not have 100% taken care of some of the issues in New Orleans.

Talk to the civil engineers who only built the leevees to sustain a Cat. 3 hurricane when a cat 5 was always a possibility. When your dealing with a city below sea level, shouldn't you error on the side of caution and not the cheapest way out?

Mayor Nagin has my full support in how he is handling the largest crisis in our history, even bigger than 9/11 in many respects. He isn't seemingly taking any BS and is trying to kick the federal government in the ass, which is apparently desperatley needed at this time.

I , for one, will be anxious to visit New Orleans again and enjoy all the music and the culture. Jazz, Blues, Mardi Gras, it will all happen again and we should all take time to show our support and visit The Big Easy once she gets back on her feet.

[wbc1228]

The thread starter is a moron.
You gonna bitch about anything someone says and go back in the history pages to show how wrong they are? Oh yeah "what about the holocaust", doesn't that trump the civil war? Your never gonna win stupid ass arguments like this, so best advivce is to STFU cause nobody likes hearing people bitch about nothing.

This is the off-topic forum.
People can bitch about anything.
Get lost.

[E-Z-B]

The mayor's right. It's fucking Day 5 of the disaster, and nothing until noon. They waited to send in help until the president went in NO for a fucking photo op. They intentionally held back food and supplies until noon when he was ready. Jesus Christ, people. Where the hell was any leadership for the past 5 days?

[bobo2k4]

Damn it why didnt I add gamedude to my block list earlier?

[help1]

GameDude, your just about as dumb as your avatar.

[sketch226]

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:rofl:

[ukhoops]

Don't think the holocaust happened in this country now did it? Thought that was in Poland and Germany and other eurpoean countries. Don't think that qualifies as a US crisis/disaster just because we were in the war. While one of the worst atrocities in history, it was a world crisis/disaster not singley a US one.

[Javery]

How can anyone who actually uses the word "doggone" be in charge of anything?

[trq]

I , for one, will be anxious to visit New Orleans again and enjoy all the music and the culture. Jazz, Blues, Mardi Gras, it will all happen again and we should all take time to show our support and visit The Big Easy once she gets back on her feet.

I like your thinking. This'll be a good excuse to get back down there come next Jazzfest and give back some of those tourist dollars everyone was throwing at my state post 9/11. A muffaletta, a hurricane, and some zydeco -- no finer way to pitch in, I say.

[E-Z-B]

New Orleans is a toxic waste site now. Already having some of the highest pancreatic cancer rates in the country due to being at the bottom of the Mississippi River, they get all the pollutants flowing into their soil. Now, with raw sewage, chemical plant explosions, and giant oils spills, no one is going to live there for at least 10 or 20 years.

[kittie]

The mayor's right. It's fucking Day 5 of the disaster, and nothing until noon. They waited to send in help until the president went in NO for a fucking photo op. They intentionally held back food and supplies until noon when he was ready. Jesus Christ, people. Where the hell was any leadership for the past 5 days?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475914/posts

The better question is where was any leadership before this.

I can understand Ray's pain. But, he's really making himself look bad bitching at everyone else, and not admitting that he did a poor job.

[alonzomourning23]

I don't see how he is to blame. He runs the 9th poorest city in the country in one of the countries poorest states. This isn't new york or massachusetts that can organize massive relief efforts on their own. He's been there the whole time and spent time on the street. The infrastructure that he could control is destroyed, he can't send fire trucks because even when they do get there, there wasn't even water pressure until recently. Half the police force walked out on him. The federal government isn't didn't do much of anything until the 4th and 5th day. Even if he had organized busses to take people out of the city (which I don't think would have been anything close to sufficient, given the amount of people there), at that point who was going to take them in, shelter and feed them?

[captaincold]

How can anyone who actually uses the word "doggone" be in charge of anything?


Maybe because he's the mayor there and it hurts to see your entire city under water. People due get emotional when lives are lost.

[kittie]

I like your thinking. This'll be a good excuse to get back down there come next Jazzfest and give back some of those tourist dollars everyone was throwing at my state post 9/11. A muffaletta, a hurricane, and some zydeco -- no finer way to pitch in, I say.

Yep, it's a good idea to put all our money back into the same area...

And act surprised when it's REALLY leveled by a hurricane in the next 50 years.

[wbc1228]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475914/posts

The better question is where was any leadership before this.

I can understand Ray's pain. But, he's really making himself look bad bitching at everyone else, and not admitting that he did a poor job.

I agree. He is putting the blame on everyone else.
I'm not saying the gov't wasn't partially at fault either.
But telling people to get "off the ass" isn't exactly a good way to ask for help.
He needs to stay cool.

[Viva Las Vegas]

"Don't think the holocaust happened in this country now did it? Thought that was in Poland and Germany and other eurpoean countries. Don't think that qualifies as a US crisis/disaster just because we were in the war. While one of the worst atrocities in history, it was a world crisis/disaster not singley a US one."
Try reading comprehension.

[CaseyRyback]

isn't it possible he meant problems caused by nature and not ones caused by humans? Thats the way I took it, which would probably make it correct.

[E-Z-B]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475914/posts

The better question is where was any leadership before this.

I can understand Ray's pain. But, he's really making himself look bad bitching at everyone else, and not admitting that he did a poor job.

Oh, please. Have you ever read any of those digusting, vile comments on freerepublic? :puke:

[trq]

Yep, it's a good idea to put all our money back into the same area...

And act surprised when it's REALLY leveled by a hurricane in the next 50 years.

So we just shouldn't rebuild whatever gets hit with a natural disaster or whatever? That's a freaking great idea. What would that leave, a couple of miles of desert in the southwest? I'll all for smaller government, but a smaller country is something else.

[ukhoops]

If that were true, we should just cut off all ties to Florida. 4 Hurricanes in a 4 month span last year. Yet those people rebuilt. Some 2 or 3 times within that time period. The human spirit is one of perserverance.
People will rebuild New Orleans. People will once again live there. It will happen faster than a lot of people think. Anyone wanting to enjoy a festive drink and a good party down on bourbon street when it does happen, let me know. I'll meet you there and we will celebrate the revitilazation of New Orleans.

[ukhoops]

Yep, it's a good idea to put all our money back into the same area...

And act surprised when it's REALLY leveled by a hurricane in the next 50 years.

How much more could it possibly be leveled? 90% of a major city being under 6-12 feet of water is pretty damn "leveled" to me.

[Mr. Anderson]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Date=20050902&ID=5084116


"Let's do something and let's fix the biggest *** crisis in the history of this country"

Yep...this is much bigger than the civil war.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that what he was implying is natural disaster. Great way to make a comparison that doesn't exist. You're the moron, GameDude.

[wbc1228]

How much more could it possibly be leveled? 90% of a major city being under 6-12 feet of water is pretty damn "leveled" to me.

kittie was trying to say that New Orlean is about 10 ft below sea level and that there is a very good chance that it will be flooded once again. Rebuilding in that area may not be such a hot idea.

[Dogpatch]

I thought the mayor ran off to Baton Rouge. I could be wrong. All I know is that communication broke down some where between the local and state level. That only complicated things in getting federal help. I'm not even sure the La. national guard was in place before the hurricane hit. Every time a hurricane came close to brushing SC, we (SC national guard) were stationed as close to the coast as we could get. You can yell help all you want, but if your people (local gov) are not there to start it or communicate what is needed, no one will hear you.

It is just a total meltdown on all levels. Sad that all the planning for disasters after 9/11 have fallen on deaf ears. Why plan projects to protect against less than maximum possibilities? You have a friggin city, under sea level, surrounded by water on 3 sides and all they try to prevent are the minimums.

To me the mayor should have done more. If the city had such a high population of poor people, why could they have not planned better? They knew a good number of people did not have transportation. They showed video of school buses sitting in some flooded out parking lot. Could they have not used these? Dozens are just sitting there and might not worth squat now.

Now they are playing the race card. I have always felt that this country needed to get beyond its past and move on. Race/ Class has been used to often to justify what is going on. Then something like this happens and you can see the divide. I am no better than the person next to me. Sooner or later we all have take responsibility for what happens.

There are solutions out there. Most of us need to stop, listen, and act. I know cost is a major factor. There is no easy solution there, but I'm sure somebody, somewhere can do very creative things. Makes you wonder sometimes if spending so much money outside the US, at the expense of our problems, is worth while. I have no problem with helping anyone/ everyone in this world. It's just odd that we can react to war faster than helping our own people. We can send aid half a world away the next day, but we can't seem to find a city in our own country.

I'm sorry for the rant, but this whole situation is crazy. My heart goes out to everyone in the gulf coast region.

[Quackzilla]

Yep...this is much bigger than the civil war.
Which was much bigger than that superpower trying to take over the world and millions of Americans died to stop it, can't remember the name of that war.. you know what I'm talking about, right?

[manofpeace20]

I don't blame the mayor at all. He is wondering where the hell all our help it. If we could send all sorts of aid overseas for tsunami victims and starving people, why is it taking so long to help out New Orleans? Somewhere, Osama Bin Laden has to be laughing. Not to mention this incident makes our country look pathetic.

[tickdude]

The mayor lost his cool, but you have to think about what has happened.

The complete destruction of a city. Not a building or a square block.

AN ENTIRE CITY.

This is the worst catastrophe on American soil since the destruction of San Francisco in 1906.

I think I would have said twice as many fucks as Ray.

[defiance_17]

You know what makes our country look pathetic? FOX News (as if you didn't know that already). Geraldo is down there kissing babies and fake-crying like he actually gives half a shit, on Bill O'Reilly's garbage, "no-spin," "news-talk" show. Four hours later, I flip through channels and see THE EXACT SAME FUCKING FOOTAGE, only this time on Hannity and colmes! Absolutely no suggestion of "previously recorded," and Sean fucking Hannity is reciting lines like he's actually communicating to a human being.

I suppose they didn't think anyone would notice.

[zionoverfire]

You know what makes our country look pathetic? FOX News (as if you didn't know that already). Geraldo is down there kissing babies and fake-crying like he actually gives half a shit, on Bill O'Reilly's garbage, "no-spin," "news-talk" show. Four hours later, I flip through channels and see THE EXACT SAME FUCKING FOOTAGE, only this time on Hannity and colmes! Absolutely no suggestion of "previously recorded," and Sean fucking Hannity is reciting lines like he's actually communicating to a human being.

I suppose they didn't think anyone would notice.

That if true is disgusting.:cry:

[sisco1986]

Like my mama always says, if you've got nothing good to say, SHUT THE FU*K UP!

[defiance_17]

That if true is disgusting.:cry:

Incredibly true. I'm still in a state of disbelief, and it takes a lot for that station's tactics to surprise me.

[Duo_Maxwell]

I understand that some people did not have the means to evacuate as easily as others, however I don't like people and especially the NO mayor heaping all that has happened on the president and the feds. For starters as mayor you are supposed to look out for your citizens, that's his responibility and the reason he was elected. I'd say it's safe to assume NO had city and school busing system with what's probably hundreds of buses at their disposal. Why not just evacuate the people from places like the city's projects using those buses just prior to giving the city wide evacuation order. Make arrangments to tempoarily house the people at other locations deeper inland in LA like say Baton Rogue or Lafayette in case of a high level hurricane. Or better yet set up plan to move them to the astrodome ahead of time seeing as how a sports team hasn't played there for sometime (unlike Chris Matthews I stay informed in the world of sports...). Now nobody can seem to get enough busses there and many that were there before are likely underwater. Use your resources as a city to protect the citizens who can't protect themselves.

Now I'll plainly say why something like this did not happen, lack of preparedness (if that's a word). Not all on the part of the feds or Bush, but on the part of the city and state. Yet seems as though these more local officals all get a free pass even though they are the ones who can best prevent it when people feel like dishing out criticism. Now I'll say it's easy to play monday morning QB, but people have known for years if not decades now that this could happen to NO and yet there seemed to be not real set plan for this when the situation occured, it was simply get out or be damned. Personally, while I agree that federal reliefs efforts so far have been poor all around, I don't see why more local leaders and officals are able to escape all the criticism being tossed around.

[Duo_Maxwell]

Which was much bigger than that superpower trying to take over the world and millions of Americans died to stop it, can't remember the name of that war.. you know what I'm talking about, right?

I do and millions of Americans didn't die trying to stop it. In fact techincally the civil war had more American deaths (counting both sides and non-combat deaths) than WW2. Do ever get tied of bending and exaggerating the truth to fit your needs? I'm just curious if it's intentional or not, because it seems to happen a lot.

[ooitztec]

Mostly everyone on this thread is a Fuck ing morons to even making joke out of this. OP is the worst of all, because the dumbass don't know what the mayor is referring when he stated "the biggest crisis in US history." Have some common sense and get yourself an EDUMACATION. If your ass was there when the hurricane Katrina hits. You'll be the first one to drown and the world is rid of one stupid ass like you.

[bostonfrontier]

A moron? hey Mr.Inconsiderate, think about this. Your whole city is flooded by water, and a reporter comes up to you and asks "What are your thoughts Mr.Mayor?". What are you gonna say "everything's fine". It's the heat of the moment, the Mayor is the only one to come out and say "You wanna help? get off your ass and donate or come down here and help these people"

But as a leader, you need to be calm in a time of panic. even when things get totally disaterous..... not go off like that...... even if things piss you off, you can't go off like that because it is looked down upon ......... you need to be stern and calm when you talk......I mean, people who are frantic and panicking look to you for leadership and poise.......so I doubt that mayor gets re-elected ( if there is even a mayor position anymore of New Orleans) because now he has a reputation of being a hot head

[GuilewasNK]

To me the mayor should have done more. If the city had such a high population of poor people, why could they have not planned better? They knew a good number of people did not have transportation. They showed video of school buses sitting in some flooded out parking lot. Could they have not used these? Dozens are just sitting there and might not worth squat now.

Now they are playing the race card. I have always felt that this country needed to get beyond its past and move on. Race/ Class has been used to often to justify what is going on. Then something like this happens and you can see the divide. I am no better than the person next to me. Sooner or later we all have take responsibility for what happens.



I agree with all of that.

[E-Z-B]

But as a leader, you need to be calm in a time of panic. even when things get totally disaterous..... not go off like that...... even if things piss you off, you can't go off like that because it is looked down upon ......... you need to be stern and calm when you talk......I mean, people who are frantic and panicking look to you for leadership and poise.......so I doubt that mayor gets re-elected ( if there is even a mayor position anymore of New Orleans) because now he has a reputation of being a hot head

IT'S FIVE FUCKING DAYS LATER. No help had arrived yet. Not only was the ENTIRE city destroyed, but the entire CITY POPULATION was on the verge of being wiped off the face of the planet. At this point, you have to say something or else Dubya is going to continue to sit on his ass. Seriously, a mayor's responsibility is to handle city ordinances and such. It's the state AND FEDERAL (FEMA) levels that are supposed to form contingency plans if an area of the country is devastated.

[mtxbass1]

Damn it why didnt I add gamedude to my block list earlier?

I asked myself the same question.

[bostonfrontier]

IT'S FIVE FUCKING DAYS LATER. No help had arrived yet. Not only was the ENTIRE city destroyed, but the entire CITY POPULATION was on the verge of being wiped off the face of the planet. At this point, you have to say something or else Dubya is going to continue to sit on his ass. Seriously, a mayor's responsibility is to handle city ordinances and such. It's the state AND FEDERAL (FEMA) levels that are supposed to form contingency plans if an area of the country is devastated.

dude, have you ever seen any president present or past go off like that? No, cause they are leaders.......if they panic ( like the mayor of NO did) then all the people that look up to them panic

[bostonfrontier]

And just to add to that........... do you honestly think that because the mayor of a city goes off like that that the federal government sent the supplies in? I don't think so, ...... if he hadn't said anything, the suppies still would have ended up in NO on friday....... I mean com'on seriously dude, how is anyone afraid of a little mayor????

[Graystone]

Jeez all these demands from the president god he's on vacation people can't the man rest the hurricane disaster can wait. [/sarcasm]

[GameDude]

Which isn't over in the mind of some southerners. How about WW 2 dumbass.


I said that sarcastically, idiot. wow.

[GameDude]

The thread starter is a moron.
You gonna bitch about anything someone says and go back in the history pages to show how wrong they are? Oh yeah "what about the holocaust", doesn't that trump the civil war? Your never gonna win stupid ass arguments like this, so best advivce is to STFU cause nobody likes hearing people bitch about nothing.


That wasn't in this country, noob. Are you like 8 or something?

[GameDude]

Which was much bigger than that superpower trying to take over the world and millions of Americans died to stop it, can't remember the name of that war.. you know what I'm talking about, right?


The civil war was more deadly to america than ww1 or ww2.

[lowgear26]

IT'S FIVE FUCKING DAYS LATER. No help had arrived yet. Not only was the ENTIRE city destroyed, but the entire CITY POPULATION was on the verge of being wiped off the face of the planet. At this point, you have to say something or else Dubya is going to continue to sit on his ass. Seriously, a mayor's responsibility is to handle city ordinances and such. It's the state AND FEDERAL (FEMA) levels that are supposed to form contingency plans if an area of the country is devastated.

what people need to realize is that the mayor (local) government did nothing to help.....the Governor(state) did nothing to help.....so this leaves the federal government doing all the work.......obviously Louisianna is run by morons who had no plan of action for any disaster. Louisianna is a big state so they very well couldve had at least some things ready to help but they didnt. People should be after their heads....not the Feds.

[GameDude]

I asked myself the same question.


I do care. :)

[Mr.Answer]

I think the mayor had one of the best ideas ever, it came during the interview on what was it Thursday night? Anyway it was 'the interview' that I think most are familiar with. The quote was something like this,

"And I think there should be a halt on press conferences, Get your asses down here and after things are done hold a press conference."

So far it seems that one of the top things that Homeland Security has been working on is how to hold a press conference.

[GuilewasNK]

what people need to realize is that the mayor (local) government did nothing to help.....the Governor(state) did nothing to help.....so this leaves the federal government doing all the work.......obviously Louisianna is run by morons who had no plan of action for any disaster. Louisianna is a big state so they very well couldve had at least some things ready to help but they didnt. People should be after their heads....not the Feds.

Agreed.

[lowgear26]

has anyone seen the Gov of Louisianna...she is clueless....how did she get elected?

[Mr.Answer]

Not mayor related and this is small issue with people still in danger but has anyone heard about the audobon Zoo? Does a zoo evacute before hand? Is it underwater?

[The Truth]

FOX News wouldn't even play the mayor's rant yesterday. Must have thought it was of no positive use to the Republican party.