The main reason some people don't care for the Xbox 360.

[VanillaGorilla]

Price. I know, this may be shocking, but over the last couple weeks, I've seen people "poo poo" the Xbox 360, not because of the launch lineup. Not because of the tech specs. But simply because of the price. Heck, even Cheapy D himself jumped on the "I can't afford it? I guess now I hate it" bandwagon. See "Xbox 360 Pre-order Roundup" and the fact that he seemingly changed his opinion on the 360 only after his own, cheap (online wise) pre-order from Amazon was cancelled. This seems to be the case with a lot of people. Well guys, it's not gonna get any better, anytime soon. The PS3 will most likely be even more expensive. I know of many people who simply won't buy a 360, based on price alone. It doesn't matter if they are interested in all the launch games, or just 1. Personally, I was the same exact way. A month ago, I was bashing it just like a lot of people. But after figuring out that through self discipline and smart financial management, it wouldn't be that hard to save up for one by launch.

So basically what I am saying is, the only thing that is truly holding the 360 back from being accepted by gamers everywhere is the price. As far as the launch lineup goes, there is something for everybody, just as long as you don't have unrealistic expectations about the graphics.

[Kain Vincent]

What about any J-RPGs? I don't remember seeing any of those games around the launch.

[wildnuts02]

What about any J-RPGs? I don't remember seeing any of those games around the launch.

Yeah but I think any true RPG fan would have to love Oblivion.

[VanillaGorilla]

What about any J-RPGs? I don't remember seeing any of those games around the launch.
FFXI. There ya go. And you gotta like the prospects of JRPG's on the Xbox 360, what with Enchant Arm and Blue Dragon.

[rabbitt]

Your talking about the Xbox 360 like it's the fat kid with no friends and we should accept him.

Microsoft is doing a brave thing and releasing its console first this upcoming generation. Sony and Nintendo will see Microsoft's cards, and still have secrets of their own.

Just becuase the Xbox 360 is a little pricey doesn't mean that people won't buy it after an initial price drop. Remember how much the PS2 was on launch?

[WildWop]

and the fact that he seemingly changed his opinion on the 360 only after his own, cheap (online wise) pre-order from Amazon was cancelled. This seems to be the case with a lot of people.

Precisely how I arrived at the decision to not buy a 360 at launch, and instead relax and play through some Fire Emblem, Battallion Wars, and Ultimate Spiderman. Unfortunately Zelda was pushed back, and FF12 and Kingdom Hearts don't hit until 06 as well, but I figure there'll be enough to keep me busy.

[VanillaGorilla]

My feeling is, I will eventually buy an Xbox 360, so why not do it now, when I know I'll have the money for it (and a job, you never know what could happen in a year). Sure, I might save $100 a year from now, but buying it on launch day, I can spend that year getting a hell of a lot of entertainment from the 360. I guess I'm just the Billy Mumfree of video gaming; a cock eyed optimist (if you know that reference, you rock).

[javeryh]

I think CheapyD had no problem buying the system - like any sane person, he just doesn't want 4 games and useless accessories forced on him all at once for the low price of $1,000.

[RedvsBlue]

In reference to people changing their mind after launch price is announced, see also: PSP

[ryanbph]

The name of this site is cheapassgamer, so most people members don't want to spend top dollar on anything. Yes its pricey, yes some will hold off, but it will still sell very well as the preorders are selling out with the high price tags.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Wild horses can't keep me away from a console launch. I don't care whose console it is; Sega, Nintendo, MS, Sony. Hell I bought a 3DO and Jaguar near launch (Once Dragon's Lair and Tempest 2000 were released.).

There's just so much on this thing I truly, truly want. I'm so psyched for PGR 3, Kameo and Quake IV I can barely contain my enthusiasm. I'm also getting Ghost Recon, PDO and Oblivion they are also in my top 10 for most wanted games. We'll have 4-5 years to be CAG's and can start looking forward to $20 games next spring. The reason I go so cheap on the majority of my 300+ games is so I do not feel at all guilty dropping $900 on a console launch.

This still isn't my most expensive launch. I imported a PSone in December of 1994, 9 months before U.S. release, with 5 games, extra controller and a memory card and it was like $1,100. You might want to laugh and point your fingers when I tell you the games were Cyber Sled, Tekken, Ridge Racer, Toshinden and Motor Toon GP.

[punqsux]

here is the reason i dont care about the 360 (and the first xbox for that matter)

Microsoft brings nothing i want to the table. im not going to say theres NOTHING on the xbox, or 360 that intrests me, theres around 10 xbox games id totally love to own (and will when the system hits sub $50) but the titles are very limited, if it wasnt for tecmo and segas support, i could count the titles i want on one hand.

however the 360 is new, it might end up having more exclusive games that id like to play, perfect dark is the only launch title to peak my intrest thus far, however rare has been in a slump of mediocrity lately, so im clearly not getting a 360 on launch (or anytime in the forseeable future)

another reason im not getting a 360 is that in my opinion its way too soon for it to come out, the xbox hasnt even been out four years yet its its already being put out to pasture? i mean weather i like the system or not, it has way more potential than its being given the chance to show.

what does the xbox 360 have to offer that the xbox dosent at the moment? better graphics? meaningless. hd support? useless to most right now. more processing power (more enemies on screen, better ai, ect.) this imo would be the best argument for the upgrade in systems, however is it really needed at this point? have we hit the point in games where we as gamers have said "the computer is too easy" or "i wish there were 5 more enemies shooting at me" rather than the developers just not utilising the system properly?

but money? no. this is cag, theres always ways around paying cash for anything.

[Pancake Rabbit]

XBOX 360: Inferior Games, and now inferior graphics to the sony console.

That's why I'm not getting one.

The only reason I even had an original XBOX was for the better graphics and xbox live.

[rabbitt]

XBOX 360: Inferior Games, and now inferior graphics to the sony console.

That's why I'm not getting one.

The only reason I even had an original XBOX was for the better graphics and xbox live.

You care about graphics enough to pretty much buy a console for a slight upgrade in the visual department!?

pfffffahhhhh....

[Msia]

I think CheapyD had no problem buying the system - like any sane person, he just doesn't want 4 games and useless accessories forced on him all at once for the low price of $1,000.
Thats correct. OP is clearly putting words in CheapyD's mouth. Price was never an issue when it came to the 360. He even pre-ordered one from Amazon. From TFA:

I must admit that my Amazon order cancellation, combined with my experiences playing a dozen or so Xbox 360 games has me rethinking whether or not I want or need a 360 at launch. Microsoft has not yet convinced me that its time to say goodbye to my current Xbox, especially with the slew of great games being released now.

While I can't say anything havent played a 360 game yet, I think he's right on the money with this one.

[Deadpool]

You might want to laugh and point your fingers when I tell you the games were Cyber Sled, Tekken, Ridge Racer, Toshinden and Motor Toon GP.


Toshinden and Tekken were the shit!

The only games to get any interest from me for the 360 are Oblivion...i can wait, and Gears of War... not till 2006. That is my reason for not giving a shit about a 360.

Sad thing is i really don't give a shit about PS3 either.

[The VGM]

XBOX 360: Inferior Games, and now inferior graphics to the sony console.

That's why I'm not getting one.

That just about sums up my thinking aswell. If I'm paying $400+, I'm going to buy the best.

[Morrigan Lover]

$400? Lets see, I could buy 1 xbox 360 with no games, or I could buy 20 current gen games at $20 a pop for the same price. Not a hard decision. I'll wait for the 360 price to drop to $150 max.

[Skelah]

in the future game companys should concider that people arnt gonna buy a console that costs more than a computer.

:drool:

[argyle]

Why have I no interest in the 360? Same reason I traded in my Xbox (and pretty much what punqsux said): the games hold little to no appeal to me, for the most part. I bought my Xbox for Jet Set Radio Future. When I traded in my Xbox a couple months back, do you know what I considered to be the best game on the system? Yup, JSRF. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you own a decent gaming PC, MS's systems are largely redundant. Oblivion? I'll get it for the PC, if I get it at all (hated Morrowind). Quake IV? FPS' are MADE for the PC, imo. And FFXI? Please. Square is giving them a port of a 2-3 year old game. Oh yea, that just SCREAMS support, doesn't it?

Meanwhile, what has been announced for the PS3? Metal Gear Solid 4? Definite buy. Devil May Cry 4? Yup, I'll take that too. Final Fantasy XIII? The series is continuing where it's been for the past decade or so. New Killzone? I may be in the minority, but I've had a heck of a lot more fun with the original Killzone than I have with either Halo. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Sony has already shown me that the games I want to play will be on their system. And Nintendo has shown me that they will continue to do what they do best, which is be very innovative. I have no place for 3 next-gen systems, and MS has shown me nothing.

[Roufuss]

Why have I no interest in the 360? Same reason I traded in my Xbox (and pretty much what punqsux said): the games hold little to no appeal to me, for the most part. I bought my Xbox for Jet Set Radio Future. When I traded in my Xbox a couple months back, do you know what I considered to be the best game on the system? Yup, JSRF. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you own a decent gaming PC, MS's systems are largely redundant. Oblivion? I'll get it for the PC, if I get it at all (hated Morrowind). Quake IV? FPS' are MADE for the PC, imo. And FFXI? Please. Square is giving them a port of a 2-3 year old game. Oh yea, that just SCREAMS support, doesn't it?
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Don't forget Call of Duty 2, Ghost Recon, and Prey are also coming to the PC.

Hopefully Gears of War will be one kick ass exclusive, because I have no faith in anything Rare does, and Dead or Alive 4 isn't enough to make me drop 400 on a system at launch.

[brainstorm]

they might consider it, then they'll look and see places like EB and Gamestop SOLD OUT those rediculous pre-orders... we might agree that theyre way overpriced and whatnot, but people are still buying them, therefore these companies wont do anything different

[AshesofWake]

Why have I no interest in the 360? Same reason I traded in my Xbox (and pretty much what punqsux said): the games hold little to no appeal to me, for the most part. I bought my Xbox for Jet Set Radio Future. When I traded in my Xbox a couple months back, do you know what I considered to be the best game on the system? Yup, JSRF. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you own a decent gaming PC, MS's systems are largely redundant. Oblivion? I'll get it for the PC, if I get it at all (hated Morrowind). Quake IV? FPS' are MADE for the PC, imo. And FFXI? Please. Square is giving them a port of a 2-3 year old game. Oh yea, that just SCREAMS support, doesn't it?

Meanwhile, what has been announced for the PS3? Metal Gear Solid 4? Definite buy. Devil May Cry 4? Yup, I'll take that too. Final Fantasy XIII? The series is continuing where it's been for the past decade or so. New Killzone? I may be in the minority, but I've had a heck of a lot more fun with the original Killzone than I have with either Halo. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Sony has already shown me that the games I want to play will be on their system. And Nintendo has shown me that they will continue to do what they do best, which is be very innovative. I have no place for 3 next-gen systems, and MS has shown me nothing.


yes i cant wait to play Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, PGR3, Burnout Revenge and various others on my PC

[mietha]

Yeah but I think any true RPG fan would have to love Oblivion.

Any "true" RPG fan doesn't consider real-time games RPGs.

[mietha]

XBOX 360: Inferior Games, and now inferior graphics to the sony console.

That's why I'm not getting one.

The only reason I even had an original XBOX was for the better graphics and xbox live.

How do you get inferior graphics? The best looking thing (that was actually a game engine) at E3 on the PS3, Fight Night Round 3, was copied exactly on the 360 in under 2 months. If it can pull that off, Sony is going to be hard pressed to do anything MS can't.

[Pancake Rabbit]

yes i cant wait to play Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, PGR3, Burnout Revenge and various others on my PC

i cant wait to play burnout revenge either...that's why I play it on current generation hardware. The project gotham series is just plain stupid IMO. Not arcady enough to be fun like burnout, and not realistic enough to be good like forza...it falls somewhere between boring and mediocre.

[mtxbass1]

Price is of little concern to me personally not buying the Xbox 360 at launch. Some of us dont' have to ask mommy and daddy for Christmas presents or "save up" on something like this due to the price. As a matter of fact the price has little to do with anything for a good number of people. I, like others, look for the level of enjoyment that I will get out of something before I buy it.

The main reason I am staying away is that I have every console available now, and roughly 200 or so games that I need to finish before I start with a new console. I agree with others who say that they are not quite ready to give up the original Xbox yet.

[AshesofWake]

i cant wait to play burnout revenge either...that's why I play it on current generation hardware. The project gotham series is just plain stupid IMO. Not arcady enough to be fun like burnout, and not realistic enough to be good like forza...it falls somewhere between boring and mediocre.


see the burnout revenge for 360 is gonna be completely different from the current gen Revenge, :), just thought you would know.

[Rozz]

The price isn't the issue for me, its just that the games just dont look too appealing to me. Well, yeah, to be truthful, it is expensive which is kind of shying me away from it, but if I really wanted it then I would buy it.

[argyle]

yes i cant wait to play Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, PGR3, Burnout Revenge and various others on my PC

Well, I didn't even bring up the Rare games, but I've never considered Rare to be a good developer, and they haven't been proving me wrong lately. I thought even what others considered their "greats" on the N64 average at best, and this gen they've been plain lousy. Kameo? Where was all the hype for this one 4 years ago when it was shown as one of the fist GC titles?

I never said every Xbox game is available on the PC - but most of their big "system seller" games either release on the PC at the same time or see ports later on. This gen, see Halo, Fable, KOTOR I&II, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, etc.

[Morrigan Lover]

in the future game companys should concider that people arnt gonna buy a console that costs more than a computer.

A video game console is a computer.

[VanillaGorilla]

XBOX 360: Inferior Games, and now inferior graphics to the sony console.

That's why I'm not getting one.

The only reason I even had an original XBOX was for the better graphics and xbox live.

Inferior games? Inferior to what, the PS3, which won't be out for another 6 months? How would you know they are inferior? Have you played final builds of any of them, on an Xbox 360 system? No? And if graphics are the main reason you own a console, that's pretty pathetic.

[VanillaGorilla]

Any "true" RPG fan doesn't consider real-time games RPGs.
Actually, I love all types of RPG's, and open ended, real time, "Explore the World" RPG's like Oblivion is something I would consider an "RPG", since in Oblivion, you really are playing the role of someone to a great extent.

[WildWop]

Inferior games? Inferior to what, the PS3, which won't be out for another 6 months?

...in Japan. That won't see US shores until Xmas 06.

[Prepster]

Not to start a flame here, but my guess would be that if the Xbox 360 had a price tag at say $200 most people wouldn't be knocking the system and would rather be wanting to make a purchase of it even though they have 100's of games in there back-log..

[FriskyTanuki]

Any "true" RPG fan doesn't consider real-time games RPGs.
A true RPG fan appreciates all types of RPG's. ;)

[AshesofWake]

Well, I didn't even bring up the Rare games, but I've never considered Rare to be a good developer, and they haven't been proving me wrong lately. I thought even what others considered their "greats" on the N64 average at best, and this gen they've been plain lousy. Kameo? Where was all the hype for this one 4 years ago when it was shown as one of the fist GC titles?

I never said every Xbox game is available on the PC - but most of their big "system seller" games either release on the PC at the same time or see ports later on. This gen, see Halo, Fable, KOTOR I&II, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, etc.

i like how you talk about games you haven't even touched yet, nice.

[argyle]

...in Japan. That won't see US shores until Xmas 06.


Not to beat a dead horse, but honestly, the PS3 only partially plays into my not getting a 360. I have more than enough store credit to get a 360 & a game or two at launch if I wanted it. But it's between a 360 & 1 or two games - OR - Dragon Quest 8, Ratchet: Deadlocked, Soul Calibur 3, SMT: Digital Devil Saga 2, Magna Carta: Tears of Blood, Wild Arms Alter Code F & 4, Devil Kings, etc., etc. The 360 isn't competing this holiday season against the PS3 - it's competing against the kick-ass lineup of the PS2.

EDIT: and no, I haven't played Kameo yet. But everyone here goes on past experiences with a developer to form opinions on future purchases. I'm not gambling $450+ based on a developers mediocre at best track record - IMO. Everyone else is free to spend their money on whatever they decide to. Absolutely no skin off of my nose - the only reason I replied is because the OP made a sweeping assumption that the reason everyone isn't getting it is the price, and that simply isn't the case.

[bmulligan]

I just want cheap games. If they're not cheap, I don't want 'em !

As I suspected many moons ago, this next generation is only going to be a 1/2 step up - kinda like an uncle whose really close to you in age. He's technically your elder, but not really that much more mature. So far with the 360 I see slightly better graphics, slightly lagging framerates, and slightly hackneyed franchises.

Let's face it, the games are going to be pretty much the same games we're playing right now, just a little bit better looking, and that's it. A little bit prettier isn't worth $500 to me. Why would I want to trade in my good looking wife for a prettier one that's higher maintenence? Somebody's gonna have to wow me to get that kind of money to fall out of my wallet and prove to me we live in the 21st century with some futuristic techno badass.

I've never been a Nintendo fanboy, but I think I'll wait to see what they can come up with instead of the same ol' same 'ol that Sony and MS are planning to do. Until then, I'll just start playing the backlog of games I have sitting on the shelf.

[Pancake Rabbit]

Inferior games? Inferior to what, the PS3, which won't be out for another 6 months? How would you know they are inferior? Have you played final builds of any of them, on an Xbox 360 system? No? And if graphics are the main reason you own a console, that's pretty pathetic.

PS2 had a lot more games, a much larger variety of games and in my opinion just plain better games than xbox did. I expect to see the same next generation. You think quirky little japanese games like katamari are going to come out on xbox 360? Not a chance. Also I agree with you, the xbox is a pretty pathetic system. I'd like to see how well Halo would of sold on ps1 since graphics don't matter at all.

[The Dord]

Let's face it, the games are going to be pretty much the same games we're playing right now, just a little bit better looking, and that's it.


Little bit better looking? What kind of drugs are you on... and can I have some? :rofl:

Seriously..

..How many games can you play in 720p or 1080i (native) from the current gen of videogames? 98% of current generation games only go up to 480i and not any higher.

Sure, the framerates might be a tad lower, but its pumping out at least double to quadtruple the graphical data. If it ran a current gen game, you'd be running at least over 100+ fps! :)

I can count them on my hand. 480i vs 720p, 720p is the clear winner here, games are going to look so much fuck in' better! :D


Its more like comparing to like this.. Your trailer-park wife with 6 missing teeth and weighs well over 400 pounds to Angeline Jolie as your wife :D

[punqsux]

Little bit better looking? What kind of drugs are you on... and can I have some? :rofl:

Seriously..

..How many games can you play in 720p or 1080i (native) from the current gen of videogames? 98% of current generation games only go up to 480i and not any higher.

Sure, the framerates might be a tad lower, but its pumping out at least double to quadtruple the graphical data. If it ran a current gen game, you'd be running at least over 100+ fps! :)

I can count them on my hand. 480i vs 720p, 720p is the clear winner here, games are going to look so much fuck in' better! :D


Its more like comparing to like this.. Your trailer-park wife with 6 missing teeth and weighs well over 400 pounds to Angeline Jolie as your wife :D
if graphics are that important to you, then please go buy one, im sure youll be happy with your purchase, but the fact is that at the moment, the higher resolution means nothing to a good majority of prospective 360 owners.

and of course, the first gen 360 games, will not be THAT much more graphically enhanced than a current xbox game

[Duo_Maxwell]

if graphics are that important to you, then please go buy one, im sure youll be happy with your purchase, but the fact is that at the moment, the higher resolution means nothing to a good majority of prospective 360 owners.

and of course, the first gen 360 games, will not be THAT much more graphically enhanced than a current xbox game

I think it will mean something down the line, particularly if the project of making HD-TV the standard ever gets off the ground. But right now I agree, it doesn't mean much of anything.

[The Dord]

if graphics are that important to you, then please go buy one, im sure youll be happy with your purchase, but the fact is that at the moment, the higher resolution means nothing to a good majority of prospective 360 owners.

and of course, the first gen 360 games, will not be THAT much more graphically enhanced than a current xbox game

Did you ever see my sig at all? :) :D hahahaha

[punqsux]

im sorry, i have sigs off (see my sig ^^)

care to share with the rest of the class?

[The Dord]

Im a big part of these threads:

Xbox 360 Mountain Dew 10 Min. Giveaway... (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64833)
the I WON A 360 thread (http://http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64847)

Basically I won a xbox 360 from the contest and posted a FAQ that no one cared about. :(

[Machikunas]

im sorry, i have sigs off (see my sig ^^)

care to share with the rest of the class?

lol

I love this thread. I'd hate most of you in real life, no doubt... but you're very entertaining. punqsux... I really love this post.

[Deadpool]

Im a big part of these threads:

Xbox 360 Mountain Dew 10 Min. Giveaway... (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64833)
the I WON A 360 thread (http://http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64847)

Basically I won a xbox 360 from the contest and posted a FAQ that no one cared about. :(

I care. Can you guide me to a link please? I thought all this 360 stuff was a sham.

[punqsux]

Im a big part of these threads:

Xbox 360 Mountain Dew 10 Min. Giveaway... (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64833)
the I WON A 360 thread (http://http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64847)

Basically I won a xbox 360 from the contest and posted a FAQ that no one cared about. :(
ah, well if i won a 360 id be pretty pumped too, i mean, id prolly just use it for the xbox games i want to play, but id prolly pick up perfect dark as well.

[The Dord]

I care. Can you guide me to a link please? I thought all this 360 stuff was a sham.

Sure :bouncy:

Link to the faq (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64833&page=20&pp=20)

It's on that page, a few posts down (5th one).

Also the image (http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7537/confirmx3600lf.jpg) of the winning as well, since people ask for it.

[The Dord]

ah, well if i won a 360 id be pretty pumped too, i mean, id prolly just use it for the xbox games i want to play, but id prolly pick up perfect dark as well.

Backwards compatiblity means that I could sell my xbox and get credit for Oblivion or PD0 ;)

[AshesofWake]

Lmfao

[shipwreck]

Man, this thread attracted a lot of anti-Xbox people. The fact is that we all would own every video game system at launch if we had unending funds. Price is what makes the difference. It's the reason I won't be buying a PS3 at launch and it's the reason I won't buy a Revolution at launch. All these other arguments are just fanboyish. It's the price that makes the difference.

[punqsux]

Man, this thread attracted a lot of anti-Xbox people. The fact is that we all would own every video game system at launch if we had unending funds. Price is what makes the difference. It's the reason I won't be buying a PS3 at launch and it's the reason I won't buy a Revolution at launch. All these other arguments are just fanboyish. It's the price that makes the difference.
if you re-read my argument, i think youll find it very un-fanboyish. i choose my words carefully so i was sharing my opinion as objectively as possible.

unless you consider someone who just dosent find the xbox "for them" as a fanboy, in which case, i would be guilty as charged.

[cag1000]

this is cheap ass gamer
we are more educated now
we aren't buying future antiques
we are buying things that with a little patience can be had for 1/2 1/10 the price

[CheapyD]

Heck, even Cheapy D himself jumped on the "I can't afford it? I guess now I hate it" bandwagon. See "Xbox 360 Pre-order Roundup" and the fact that he seemingly changed his opinion on the 360 only after his own, cheap (online wise) pre-order from Amazon was cancelled.

Actually, if you read that article again I wrote that my "Amazon order cancellation, combined with my experiences playing a dozen or so Xbox 360 games has me rethinking whether or not I want or need a 360 at launch. Microsoft has not yet convinced me that its time to say goodbye to my current Xbox, especially with the slew of great games being released now."

I can afford the 360. As of now, I just don't see many reasons for me to get onboard at launch. This is just my opinion and not a fact. It is also subject to change at anytime.

[momadaboo]

Well to be honest I probably wouldn't be getting any of the next gen systems if it wasn't for a free deal (see sig). Actually I might buy a 360 if it wasn't for the deal just because Oblivion is just looking so damn good.

[shipwreck]

if you re-read my argument, i think youll find it very un-fanboyish. i choose my words carefully so i was sharing my opinion as objectively as possible.

unless you consider someone who just dosent find the xbox "for them" as a fanboy, in which case, i would be guilty as charged.

It's just amazing to me that any gamer would not find the Xbox worth it at this point. You can pick up a used system for $100 and a lot of the good games are $10-$20 now. You speak of Perfect Dark as a game that interests you on the 360. If you are interested in that one, I don't know why you wouldn't be interested in the many fine first-person shooters currently available for the Xbox at bargain prices. Even if first-person shooters aren't your thing and you are just interested in Perfect Dark because you liked the N64 version, you also mentioned the numerous Sega and Tecmo games that are on Xbox that you are interested in. The way I see it, Xbox has a much larger library of games that even you would want to play than any of the upcoming next gen systems will have for a long time. And you would only be paying a fraction of the price.

[gigan54]

i've never been an x-head, but the 360 is gonig to be getting all of the 2d fighters with online play enabled., meaning i'm going to have to pick one of these up if i want to play neo geo battle colliseum form the comfort of my home.

[momadaboo]

I think you'd be better of just getting the 360 with the HD if you are interested in the 360 games. What is the point of buying an Xbox if you are going to buy a 360? You might as well just get the 360 with the HD.

[shipwreck]

I think you'd be better of just getting the 360 with the HD if you are interested in the 360 games. What is the point of buying an Xbox if you are going to buy a 360? You might as well just get the 360 with the HD.

Well, it's a $300 difference between buying an Xbox and an Xbox 360, so that would make a big difference for most people.

And for the love of God, somebody click on momadaboo's free Xbox link, so that I don't have to look at that huge sig anymore! :)

[momadaboo]

Well, it's a $300 difference between buying an Xbox and an Xbox 360, so that would make a big difference for most people.

And for the love of God, somebody click on momadaboo's free Xbox link, so that I don't have to look at that huge sig anymore! :)

Well I'm almost done I need two more people to sign up and I'm done. :D Anyways what I am saying is that if you want to play xbox 360 and xbox games it makes no sence to buy both systems. Why not just buy the 360 premium edition (or just take the easy way out and do what I'm doing... see signature :D ).

Xbox= $100
Xbox 360= $300
Total= $400

Xbox 360 Premium Edition: $400

Also with the 360 PE you get a bunch of other cool stuff besidses the hardrive like the wireless controller, DVD remote, and more.

[rabidmonkeys]

I imported a PSone in December of 1994, 9 months before U.S. release, with 5 games, extra controller and a memory card and it was like $1,100. You might want to laugh and point your fingers when I tell you the games were Cyber Sled, Tekken, Ridge Racer, Toshinden and Motor Toon GP.

I'm scared. I now have something in common with PAD, in addition to living in the same city. Those were the exact games I bought on launch day when I preordered my Import PS1, with the addition of Hot Blooded Family and Kileek.

[javeryh]

Man, this thread attracted a lot of anti-Xbox people. The fact is that we all would own every video game system at launch if we had unending funds. Price is what makes the difference. It's the reason I won't be buying a PS3 at launch and it's the reason I won't buy a Revolution at launch. All these other arguments are just fanboyish. It's the price that makes the difference.

I'm not so sure... I can easily afford an Xbox but I really just don't want one for a number of reasons but mainly because I don't have the time to play it. Although I would not turn down a free one so I guess if I had unlimited funds as in a money printing machine in my basement I might pick one up but even if I had a billion dollars in the bank I probably wouldn't - there's a difference, I think (also I might be mental).

[AshesofWake]

why the fuck do people care so much if someone is buying a 360 or not? i don't get it..

[Deadpool]

Sure :bouncy:

Link to the faq (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64833&page=20&pp=20)

It's on that page, a few posts down (5th one).

Also the image (http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7537/confirmx3600lf.jpg) of the winning as well, since people ask for it.

Thx a lot Dord.

[shipwreck]

Thx a lot Dord.

Don't follow that FAQ. It does not increase your chances of winning. In fact, it actually mathematically decreases your chances of winning. Unless he's completely rewritten it at this point.

[AshesofWake]

Don't follow that FAQ. It does not increase your chances of winning. In fact, it actually mathematically decreases your chances of winning. Unless he's completely rewritten it at this point.

QFT

[Msia]

Actually, if you read that article again I wrote that my "Amazon order cancellation, combined with my experiences playing a dozen or so Xbox 360 games has me rethinking whether or not I want or need a 360 at launch. Microsoft has not yet convinced me that its time to say goodbye to my current Xbox, especially with the slew of great games being released now."

I can afford the 360. As of now, I just don't see many reasons for me to get onboard at launch. This is just my opinion and not a fact. It is also subject to change at anytime.
I also posted this in my response back on the first page.

[momadaboo]

why the fuck do people care so much if someone is buying a 360 or not? i don't get it..

Well you see generally the more people that buy a system and games for the system the better the company marketing the systems does. Companies that have systems that are doing good in terms of sells and are selling games usually get chosen by developers to make games on that particular system. For example, the Dreamcast may have been a good system however it didn't have nearly as long a life or nearly as many games as a system like PS2 because it didn't sell well. If Sega had a system that was more popular that Sony's it is possible that GTA would have been released for Sega's system instead of Sony's. So you may not care if your the only one that buys a 360 but keep in mind that if you were the only one you wouldn't be playing very many games for it...

[The Dord]

Don't follow that FAQ. It does not increase your chances of winning. In fact, it actually mathematically decreases your chances of winning. Unless he's completely rewritten it at this point.

Read it again, I gave up telling people to invest 4 - 6 caps per contest :)

[Morpheus]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I like buying the first console of a new generation at launch because for me those are the most memorable moments in a generation.

XBOX 360 makes it even better by having Team Ninja announce 5 games exclusivily on XBOX 360 (for the time being). The games are DOA4, DOAX2, DOA: Code Chronus (Is a game about Ayane and Kasumi growing up and becoming the great Ninja's they are now, supposedly a Action RPG), Project Progressive (a new action title), and Ninja Gaiden 2. Those 5 titles along with PD0 warrant a purchase for me. You can find the interviews with Itagaki that confirms the above information on 1up.com. Its Itagaki week there. :D

PS For the people complaining about MS releasing the XBOX 360 so soon compared to XBOX. Remember this generation started in November of 98 with the release of the Dreamcast. This gen is actually 5 days short of 7 years. I think its time we moved along.

[The Dord]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I like buying the first console of a new generation at launch because for me those are the most memorable moments in a generation.

XBOX 360 makes it even better by having Team Ninja announce 5 games exclusivily on XBOX 360 (for the time being). The games are DOA4, DOAX2, DOA: Code Chronus (Is a game about Ayane and Kasumi growing up and becoming the great Ninja's they are now, supposedly a Action RPG), Project Progressive (a new action title), and Ninja Gaiden 2. Those 5 titles along with PD0 warrant a purchase for me. You can find the interviews with Itagaki that confirms the above information on 1up.com. Its Itagaki week there. :D

Lets just hope I find some games at launch :lol:

[Aleryn]

What about any J-RPGs? I don't remember seeing any of those games around the launch.

*gets on soapbox, donnes flame-proof suit*

The XBox or XBox 360 is not the system for a person that is deeply into, and must have JRPGs on every system they own.

I LOVE good, quality JRPGs, and have since a damn young age in the early 90s... but, you know what? I realize I'm not gonna get those games, hardly, and if at all on an XBox system. That, is why I own a PS2, AND a Gamecube as well.

So, when it comes to JPRGs, the XBox sucks. The 360 will prolly suck, and this will probably never change.

So get a PS3 man, if you want those JRPGs. Cuz yeah... Square is gonna put one of their FFs on the boxy... but wouldn't it suck buying a system for just one game?

Any way, this really isn't pointed directly at you, "Kain Vincent'... but to the legions of people who somehow expect the Microsoft systems to have JRPGs. And ya know what? A large reason there isn't hardly any if at all, is cuz the Japanese don't like to develop on foreign hardware, such as the XBox. It's not just Microsoft's fault.

*gets off soap box*

And hey, thread-starter... yeah, agreed, lotsa got sticker-shock with the 360. But hell, the PS1 debuted a $300 years ago, and I THINK, might be wrong, that the Saturn debuted at $400... say 10 or so years ago? These prices aren't that odd... and think, average system debut in 1995 - $300. It's been 10 years, ain't inflation a bitch? =)

Rock on CaGs.

[msdmoney]

I am interested in some of the xbox launch games, just not interested enough to spend $500 at launch for the system and games. I have the money, but I just don't see the value in spending that much for a system, and in addition gauranteed to pay near $50 a game for the first ~six months until they start dropping in price. I have so many big games to finish this gen, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Far Cry, Killzone, Viewtiful Joe, it just isn't worth jumping into next gen already. Plus I also have a great computer that pumps out some really good graphics, maybe not XBOX360, but much better than the current gen, so I don't need a 360 for the graphics.

[RedvsBlue]

Thats it, I've had it with you.


Yeah because you don't have some snappy little comeback to try and throw at him.

Fact of the matter is, he makes an excellent point that you fail to concede, your not being objective about the matter because you got your system for nothing. You didn't have to drop $460 out of your own pocket for a game and a system so of course your going to think the system is amazing.

In addition to his point about your little quips, he's also got a good point there too.



Did you ever see my sig at all? hahahaha

That quote ALONE just stinks of smugness and its annoying. We get it, you won a 360 and your excited about it but you need to realize that some of us aren't so psyched about dropping $460 for something that we feel isn't much of an improvement over what we have now.

[The Dord]

I have deleted the off-topic posts on this thread, I am sorry.

[momadaboo]

*gets on soapbox, donnes flame-proof suit*

The XBox or XBox 360 is not the system for a person that is deeply into, and must have JRPGs on every system they own.

I LOVE good, quality JRPGs, and have since a damn young age in the early 90s... but, you know what? I realize I'm not gonna get those games, hardly, and if at all on an XBox system. That, is why I own a PS2, AND a Gamecube as well.

So, when it comes to JPRGs, the XBox sucks. The 360 will prolly suck, and this will probably never change.

So get a PS3 man, if you want those JRPGs. Cuz yeah... Square is gonna put one of their FFs on the boxy... but wouldn't it suck buying a system for just one game?

Any way, this really isn't pointed directly at you, "Kain Vincent'... but to the legions of people who somehow expect the Microsoft systems to have JRPGs. And ya know what? A large reason there isn't hardly any if at all, is cuz the Japanese don't like to develop on foreign hardware, such as the XBox. It's not just Microsoft's fault.

*gets off soap box*

And hey, thread-starter... yeah, agreed, lotsa got sticker-shock with the 360. But hell, the PS1 debuted a $300 years ago, and I THINK, might be wrong, that the Saturn debuted at $400... say 10 or so years ago? These prices aren't that odd... and think, average system debut in 1995 - $300. It's been 10 years, ain't inflation a bitch? =)

Rock on CaGs.

Well this is the way I see it:

Gamecube/Revolution-

Weaknesses: First Person Shooters, Open Ended RPGs

Strengths: Platform, Puzzle, Adventure


PS2/PS3-

Weaknesses: Open Ended Rpgs

Strengths: Turn Based RPGs, Action, 3rd Person Shooters

Xbox/Xbox 360-

Weaknesses: Turn Based RPGs

Strengths: Open Ended RPGs, First Person Shooters

[zman73]

I am waiting... I have overspent and overspent on consoles for years...

300 for launch PS1
300 for launch Sega CD (I know, I was really dumb for that one, but it did come with a batch of games)
300 for launch PS2
luckily I picked up a package deal on my XB while it was still 300 (paid 400 for it, an extra controller, HD hook ups, and 8 games)

Nothing wrong with getting it now if you want it and have the extra cash, I am going to wait though... when I bought my PS2 in a panic due to the hype, after seeing how hard they were to come by in the beginning, I picked up one game... the only one at the time that remotely interested me... there just werent alot of grade A titles, just overhyped crap like The Bouncer...

Ive got such a stockpile of games, it will take me years to play them all anyway

Definantly not putting down the XB360, but I will bide my time for a good deal, maybe buy a package off of here or ebay...

[bmulligan]

Damn, I don't even get a chance to delete my own posts - not even a warning shot ! It's like I don't even exist !

I feel like an Xbox in Japan !

[The Dord]

Does inflation make the consoles yet cheaper than they were? Comparing $299-$399 10 years ago or 20 years ago, its cheaper today for a console.

Prices on games haven't changed much either.. Remember NES games for $50-60 dollars? Inflation means that were are paying a little less now for them than we used to :)

$50 today is probably near $40 back in the late 80's :D

[bmulligan]

Adjusted for inflation, we are spending much less than 20 years ago. But it still comes down to the relative value of the moment. A 4 function calculator cost $200 when I was a little kid and that would be worth $7-800 today, but now calculators are 5 bucks at Target. Nobody would pay more than $10 for one that could only add, subtract, multiply, and divide. Everything has a relative worth that depreciates over time as it becomes cheaper to produce and the money inflates to pay for it.

All I've ever been trying to point out is that the 360 is not worth a $400-500 jump in technological return on the investment. These consoles today should have an extended life compared to the genesis' and NES's of decades past because the technology hasn't increased by an order of magnitude, it's only an arithmatic add-on. And comparing the PS2 and Xbox to a toothless trailer park wife is a pretty uncaring view of the current generation of systems, and to put it mildly, just hyperbole, and not based on any objective observation.

[punqsux]

All I've ever been trying to point out is that the 360 is not worth a $400-500 jump in technological return on the investment. These consoles today should have an extended life compared to the genesis' and NES's of decades past because the technology hasn't increased by an order of magnitude, it's only an arithmatic add-on.

people want whats new and shiney, they want "the best" (whatever that means) and no matter how small of a step forward it is, people will pay money for that status

[The Dord]

Adjusted for inflation, we are spending much less than 20 years ago. But it still comes down to the relative value of the moment. A 4 function calculator cost $200 when I was a little kid and that would be worth $7-800 today, but now calculators are 5 bucks at Target. Nobody would pay more than $10 for one that could only add, subtract, multiply, and divide. Everything has a relative worth that depreciates over time as it becomes cheaper to produce and the money inflates to pay for it.

All I've ever been trying to point out is that the 360 is not worth a $400-500 jump in technological return on the investment. These consoles today should have an extended life compared to the genesis' and NES's of decades past because the technology hasn't increased by an order of magnitude, it's only an arithmatic add-on. And comparing the PS2 and Xbox to a toothless trailer park wife is a pretty uncaring view of the current generation of systems, and to put it mildly, just hyperbole, and not based on any objective observation.


I am sorry for the bashing and the bad comparison earlier. But read on..


Believing that because of the rather slower increases of proccessing speed (after 2002 or so) , this new generation will last longer:


+Progressive scanning DVD player out of the box, eliminates the need for a DVD player in the game room (Sell it for $$$ for games/accessories)

+Backwards compatility with the x360 and the ps3 will re-introduce people to the older and newer games.

+More multi-media functions with the new generation -- You will be able to store your MP3's and game saves easier with USB connections (Remember having to use a Pro Action Replay or Gameshark to upload your save game? Not anymore, since you can just simply use a USB storage stick to move it from PC to Console, saving $20-$30 dollars there)

+Free Xbox live on weekends and on certain games! Now you don't have to play to play on weekends (you can play all you want with the Gold Membership) PLUS if you have membership now it transfers over! In the future you will be able to surf the internet from it as well!

-- With these extra functions, I can see this new generation will last longer and give you more bang for your buck :)

[Machikunas]

I am sorry for the bashing and the bad comparison earlier. But read on..


Believing that because of the rather slower increases of proccessing speed (after 2002 or so) , this new generation will last longer:


+Progressive scanning DVD player out of the box, eliminates the need for a DVD player in the game room (Sell it for $$$ for games/accessories)

+Backwards compatility with the x360 and the ps3 will re-introduce people to the older and newer games.

+More multi-media functions with the new generation -- You will be able to store your MP3's and game saves easier with USB connections (Remember having to use a Pro Action Replay or Gameshark to upload your save game? Not anymore, since you can just simply use a USB storage stick to move it from PC to Console, saving $20-$30 dollars there)

+Free Xbox live on weekends and on certain games! Now you don't have to play to play on weekends (you can play all you want with the Gold Membership) PLUS if you have membership now it transfers over! In the future you will be able to surf the internet from it as well!

-- With these extra functions, I can see this new generation will last longer and give you more bang for your buck :)



Well, first, I don't have a clue why you think this generation will last longer... I'm actually quite confused by that claim.

...but, that is not why I'm posting.

Where'd you hear this:
+Free Xbox live on weekends and on certain games! Now you don't have to play to play on weekends ?

[msdmoney]

Hmmm I don't see any of those as reasons why this gen will last longer, most of those are just minor enhancements to this gen. I have no reason to believe that MS will wait longer than the 4 years they waited this gen.
I am sorry for the bashing and the bad comparison earlier. But read on..


Believing that because of the rather slower increases of proccessing speed (after 2002 or so) , this new generation will last longer:


+Progressive scanning DVD player out of the box, eliminates the need for a DVD player in the game room (Sell it for $$$ for games/accessories)

Past gen had dvd capability, progressive scan isn't going to make this gen last longer, especially since one standard, hd-dvd or blu-ray will probably die. I would argue that would actually shorten the life span.

+Backwards compatility with the x360 and the ps3 will re-introduce people to the older and newer games.

I don't see how backward compatibility will make a generation last longer, the whole point of releasing a new gen is bigger, prettier games.

+More multi-media functions with the new generation -- You will be able to store your MP3's and game saves easier with USB connections (Remember having to use a Pro Action Replay or Gameshark to upload your save game? Not anymore, since you can just simply use a USB storage stick to move it from PC to Console, saving $20-$30 dollars there)

I just don't follow the logic here, how exactly is this minor feature going to make a gen last longer?

+Free Xbox live on weekends and on certain games! Now you don't have to play to play on weekends (you can play all you want with the Gold Membership) PLUS if you have membership now it transfers over! In the future you will be able to surf the internet from it as well!
Not quite sure on this one either, how is free xbox live going to prolong a generation?
[/QUOTE]

-- With these extra functions, I can see this new generation will last longer and give you more bang for your buck :) [/QUOTE]

And the next gen will do millions of technoflops and have triplescopic antifiltering-aliasing, not to mention give you the ability to create your own games on the fly, and function as a central computer for your home.....

My point is the added features won't really matter in the end, the games will define when a generation is done, once the games get stale and/or there is enough technology to market a new system, you will see a new generation. The only thing that might affect this is the processor speeds have hit a wall almost, so bigger and faster may not be so plausible for quite a while, I will concede that point.

[RedvsBlue]

+Progressive scanning DVD player out of the box, eliminates the need for a DVD player in the game room (Sell it for $$$ for games/accessories)


The later PS2 models all support progressive scan. In fact, I'm watching a progressive scan DVD on my PS2 right now.

[The Dord]

Hmmm I don't see any of those as reasons why this gen will last longer, most of those are just minor enhancements to this gen. I have no reason to believe that MS will wait longer than the 4 years they waited this gen.


Past gen had dvd capability, progressive scan isn't going to make this gen last longer, especially since one standard, hd-dvd or blu-ray will probably die. I would argue that would actually shorten the life span. ** you got me on that, but expect HD-DVD and Blu-Ray to be expensive as fuck until the next gen, and thats why I see sony opting out of Blu-Ray as well since its going to make their console expensive**


I don't see how backward compatibility will make a generation last longer, the whole point of releasing a new gen is bigger, prettier games. ** I think the more it can play older games, the more someone will play it, thus lasting a tad longer **


I just don't follow the logic here, how exactly is this minor feature going to make a gen last longer?

Not quite sure on this one either, how is free xbox live going to prolong a generation? **Anything free makes things last longer, ask Blizzard about Diablo 2 and Starcraft, free online play prolonged how long people played them**

And the next gen will do millions of technoflops and have triplescopic antifiltering-aliasing, not to mention give you the ability to create your own games on the fly, and function as a central computer for your home.....

My point is the added features won't really matter in the end, the games will define when a generation is done, once the games get stale and/or there is enough technology to market a new system, you will see a new generation. The only thing that might affect this is the processor speeds have hit a wall almost, so bigger and faster may not be so plausible for quite a while, I will concede that point. **until we see 256 bit processing power, yes it is going to take a while longer **

Add all the parts together and you see why I think it will at least last as long as the original Playstation. Look at all the parts as a whole, not seperately.

If your a CAG, it will replace some items that you can sell to cut down of the prices of the initial games (DVD player, MP3 player, etc)

-Note- Most gaming websites has quoted Microsoft of giving away free weekends for gaming with the free service. IGN, Gamespot, etc..

[punqsux]

Add all the parts together and you see why I think it will at least last as long as the original Playstation. Look at all the parts as a whole, not seperately.

If your a CAG, it will replace some items that you can sell to cut down of the prices of the initial games (DVD player, MP3 player, etc)

-Note- Most gaming websites has quoted Microsoft of giving away free weekends for gaming with the free service. IGN, Gamespot, etc..
the original playstation's lifespan was roughly 1995-2001 (actully 2004, but nothing notable after 2001 was released) you seriously think that the 360 is going to be supported in 2011? i have a bridge for sale, check my list.

a dvd player is not an expensive item, if you shop around you can get one for $15-20, on top of which i have a ps2, and 2 dvd playing computers. the 360 being able to play dvds is a no brainer, not a shiney new feature.

[The Dord]

the original playstation's lifespan was roughly 1995-2001 (actully 2004, but nothing notable after 2001 was released) you seriously think that the 360 is going to be supported in 2011? i have a bridge for sale, check my list.

a dvd player is not an expensive item, if you shop around you can get one for $15-20, on top of which i have a ps2, and 2 dvd playing computers. the 360 being able to play dvds is a no brainer, not a shiney new feature.

Well, they have the option now to sell some stuff like their old xbox and dvd player for a game and save some money on the second one :D

[Spoon_si]

For me... it's Price... yes Price is a big issue... But I want one bad...

back when the PS1 & saturn launch... I was just a poor kid saving his pennies just to buy them... took me 1 1/2 yr. til I was able to afford them, and that with waiting for all the price drops...

360 PE, 2 Game.. Taxes... $530...

I mean if the System was $200 I'll be all over... it... Unless I make alot of money before launch... I won't getting 1...

[bmulligan]

For me... it's Price... yes Price is a big issue... But I want one bad...

back when the PS1 & saturn launch... I was just a poor kid saving his pennies just to buy them... took me 1 1/2 yr. til I was able to afford them, and that with waiting for all the price drops...

360 PE, 2 Game.. Taxes... $530...

I mean if the System was $200 I'll be all over... it... Unless I make alot of money before launch... I won't getting 1...

See, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. eight years ago I bought a Pentium 2 350 mhz computer which was top of the line at the time for $2000. Today, I can get a computer that's 10X faster, more powerful with 10X more storage for under $500. As an electronics consumer I expect more for less as technology gets better in new generations. When I was a kid a 15" color TV was $600. Now you can find 19 inchers for under $100. So, to extrapolate this analogy, I would expect the next generation of game boxes to be more powerful and less expensive. Making it almost twice the price of the previous incarnation is almost an insult. And , so you don't think I'm just bashing Xbox, I would say the exact same thing about the new PS3 if they insult me with a $500 price tag. I ain't buying !

Furthermore, I don't want a game machine that plays mp3s, stores photos and plays DVD's. That's why I have a computer. A computer, which incidentally is already hooked up to my HDTV and not only plays DVD's but also plays Halo, archives my movie collection and serves as a digital video recorder. When I go shopping for a game machine, I want a game machine, period. All those other 'features' are redundant to me and are a waste of money.

[punqsux]

Furthermore, I don't want a game machine that plays mp3s, stores photos and plays DVD's. That's why I have a computer.

:applause:

[The Dord]

I guess I suck don't I.