Factory Sealed -vs- Sealed

[tonya1]

My son sold some video games on EBay. Here's the auction deal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6979774743&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

His buyer if furious because he claimes all of the games should have been new. Please take and look and let me know what you think.

Thx!

Tonya

[tonya1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6979774743&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

My post is in reference to the above link.

[Scorch]

I think the buyer's at fault, it clearly says that it's a mix of factory sealed and unsealed games.

I'm suprised someone was even willing to spend that much, that's a pretty bad lot of games..

[supadupacheap]

I think its fairly clear they arent ALL new and sealed but I think the bidder didnt get the message because they way overpaid if they thought is was a mixed bag of them all.
On a side note, my god thats a lotta old crappy sports games. I do believe my soul would leave my body if that many came into my house at one time and I had paid $500 for the privledge. Probably why hes pissed. Wants his soul back.

*Edit* Quick reread makes me think perhaps the "sealed" vs. "new and sealed" may be what ticked the buyer off. Stuff should be listed as new factory sealed or used. That middle of the road crap only leads to problems.

[tonya1]

The buyer claims it's illegal to re-wrap games. ??? That's the way my son bought them, but the buyer's argument is just because we got ripped off doesn't me we should rip somebody else off. My son is selling them for what he paid for them, making no profit. His intentions were to sell them at our flea market but weren't enough sales. The buyer's screaming fraud to PayPal & EBay.

[RAMSTORIA]

yeah, its the buyer thats dumb, the auction is pretty clear... hopefully he pays or had payed all ready, you should have no problem if he files some sort of dispute

[The Successful Dropout]

I think the buyer's at fault, it clearly says that it's a mix of factory sealed and unsealed games.

I'm suprised someone was even willing to spend that much, that's a pretty bad lot of games..

you're not kidding, 21 of the games are Madden games

[Scorch]

You should also drop the "my son" horseshit, it's kinda obvious that it's not your kid's games when there's 8 copies of Madden 2003.

[RAMSTORIA]

your buyer has this as something he is selling...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dance-Dance-Revolution-DDR-Mat-for-TV-50-Songs-w-cable_W0QQitemZ8224187395QQcategoryZ62053QQcmdZVie wItem

plug and play ddr mats for the tv? either this went right over my head or they are making pirate copies of this now (like the controller plug and plays), if you want you can report him for it :)

[CYRiX]

You should also drop the "my son" horseshit, it's kinda obvious that it's not your kid's games when there's 8 copies of Madden 2003.
OWN3D!

[supadupacheap]

The buyer claims it's illegal to re-wrap games. ??? That's the way my son bought them, but the buyer's argument is just because we got ripped off doesn't me we should rip somebody else off. My son is selling them for what he paid for them, making no profit. His intentions were to sell them at our flea market but weren't enough sales. The buyer's screaming fraud to PayPal & EBay.
The buyer is in the wrong but youve got to realize how insanely lucky your kid was to get this kinda cash for that. If I were you Id knock off say $50 if that would appease him. Thats still WAY more than is logical for that lot.
As far as the "we got screwed so screw others", thats crap. If you got screwed you take your lumps and move on. The trouble you have with THIS guy is "sealed" and "new and sealed" are way too close for comfort in peoples minds. I mean, VERY few places reseal used games and do so in order to trick the buyer into thinking they are new. Your kid should have listed it as they were, 2 new, rest used. Whether they were sealed, covered in fairy dust, or blessed by Mother Theresa herself (god bless her soul) they still were USED. Its obvious YOU knew it and your KID knew it. It was kept just vague enough that somebody could fall into the trap.

[RacinReaver]

Not to mention that most of these games have been advertised here as sub-$5 priced games. A lot of this reads like the list on EBGames when you sort by price, lowest first.

[tonya1]

You should also drop the "my son" horseshit, it's kinda obvious that it's not your kid's games when there's 8 copies of Madden 2003.

As I stated, my son bought these from another EBay member to resell at the flea market...........

[Apossum]

:lol: @ "my son"

That seems to be the common defense when someone thinks they screwed up and doesn't want to be held accountable.

honestly, the buyer is at fault, though the Sealed vs. Factory sealed stuff sucks.

Then again, why bid $500 on all those crap games?

[tonya1]

The buyer is in the wrong but youve got to realize how insanely lucky your kid was to get this kinda cash for that. If I were you Id knock off say $50 if that would appease him. Thats still WAY more than is logical for that lot.
As far as the "we got screwed so screw others", thats crap. If you got screwed you take your lumps and move on. The trouble you have with THIS guy is "sealed" and "new and sealed" are way too close for comfort in peoples minds. I mean, VERY few places reseal used games and do so in order to trick the buyer into thinking they are new. Your kid should have listed it as they were, 2 new, rest used. Whether they were sealed, covered in fairy dust, or blessed by Mother Theresa herself (god bless her soul) they still were USED. Its obvious YOU knew it and your KID knew it. It was kept just vague enough that somebody could fall into the trap.

Agreed. I've already offered the buyer a $50 refund, but we weren't trying to screw anybody. This is what we paid for them and my son actually resold some for $8 at the local mart.

[dberuvides]

My Great Great Great Grandfather just sold a new Playstation 3 on Ebay and the buyer is mad because it was a Playstation 2 spray painted silver. SSSSSIIIIIGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

[supadupacheap]

Ok, Im gonna break this down a little further.
The buyer claims it's illegal to re-wrap games.
??? It is if the intent is to confuse the buyer as to if its new or used.
That's the way my son bought them, but the buyer's argument is just because we got ripped off doesn't me we should rip somebody else off.
Why am I getting the vibe from you that you (or at least he) knew after the fact that the games he bought resealed were in fact used and not worth what your son paid? Seems to me he went to plan B which was "I got screwed so Ill just pass that problem on to the next guy"
My son is selling them for what he paid for them,
making no profit.
I paid $10,000 for magic beans. Ill sell them to you tomorrow for exactly what I paid for them. Hey, Im not making a profit here so it cant be fraud, right?

His intentions were to sell them at our flea market but weren't enough sales. The buyer's screaming fraud to PayPal & EBay.
The buyers pissed because your kid kept it just as vague as it seems the guy HE bought from kept it. Your kid felt screwed and instead of manning up, taking the loss, and vowing never to make the mistake again, he decided to pull almost the same trick on somebody else "because I was wronged so its ok to wrong others." If your kid got dicked over, Im sorry, terribly sorry. But that doesnt make him dicking over the next guy ok.(and by not making it CRYSTAL CLEAR to the next guy he knew he had a decent chance to get out from under his mistake by letting someone else make the same one) Two wrongs dont make a right. The auction was vague and the buyer messed up. My morality says your kid should man up and try to work out something agreeable. Ebay wise he could probably slip under the radar and get all the money he was promised (if the guy pays up) For me the extra cash aint worth my dignity but for your kid maybe it is.

[alonzomourning23]

I agree with the buyer. While there was a distinction, sealed usually means the same thing as factory sealed. I also wonder how he could guarantee everything came with a manual (except vf) when he didn't open up the sealed (but non factory sealed) games). Frankly, if I saw that, I would think the person was trying to screw the buyer by making them think they were all new/sealed. Technically, sealed does not necessarily mean new, but that's how it's used. I don't see the point in selling games used, but sealed, unless you are trying to make the buyer think it's new.

[supadupacheap]

Agreed. I've already offered the buyer a $50 refund, but we weren't trying to screw anybody. This is what we paid for them and my son actually resold some for $8 at the local mart.
You really need to get the notion of "what I paid" out of your head. Its not helpful to you at all. I think its pretty much established that your kid didnt get a very good deal on his initial purchase. (IMO he got "screwed") So, if you are using what he paid as a justification to get that from someone else, you are simply saying "We got screwed so its ok to screw somebody else"

*Edit*
Ok, lets say that indeed you werent trying to screw anybody with the auction. I think we all can agree that now the goods offered arent nearly worth what the buyer said hed pay (even if you paid $10,000, the games are worth what they are worth) Once he realized that sealed didnt mean new, he felt the same as we all do. In his mind it was kept strangly vague as to New vs. Sealed vs. Used. He based his buying price on the majority of it being new when in fact, only 2% or so of it was.
I think you have better footing than he does however Ebay often is rough on sellers as far as disputes go. Plus, he can turn the tables on you big time if even ONE of those "sealed" games is missing a manual and the odds of that are pretty darn good.
If I were you, try to work out something more reasonable with him since you know full well $500 is insane for a lot of mostly used $3> sports games. If it doesnt work out, relist it being CLEAR about what they are getting or expect to have this repeat itself over and over.

[element]

looking at your feedback this also happened with your last auction
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=wrec_n_you
"your son" should probably be more clear in the future

[m0rningbreakfast]

Go back to lurking?

[bmulligan]

Yeah, that xbox auction of yours stated "sealed" games. You are implying "factory sealed" as no one can possibly know YOUR definition of "sealed" means "wrapped in plastic and I have no idea what condition they are in".

Another reason I keep telling Ebay when they give me surveys that they need to insitute an objective item descriptors that define terms like this including the always misused "mint"

[tonya1]

Go back to lurking?

What do you mean by this?

[tonya1]

I appreciate all of your input. There was no intention of ripping anyone off, nor did we feel ripped off when we purchased the huge lot. We knew they weren't new and the seller represented them exactly the way my son did when he resold them.

However, this has been a lesson and my son will be more specific in his descriptions on future sales.

Meanwhile, the threatening emails from the buyer continue. He as now filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and The Consumer Complaints Dept with the state of Florida.

[btw1217]

I appreciate all of your input. There was no intention of ripping anyone off, nor did we feel ripped off when we purchased the huge lot. We knew they weren't new and the seller represented them exactly the way my son did when he resold them.

However, this has been a lesson and my son will be more specific in his descriptions on future sales.

Meanwhile, the threatening emails from the buyer continue. He as now filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and The Consumer Complaints Dept with the state of Florida.

So you were both involved in purchasing the games. Not just your son as you stated earlier. And you must keep buying a lot of lots from this person, because you sure do have a lot of sealed, used games.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Xbox-Lot_W0QQitemZ6979775953QQcategoryZ31583QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6972032026

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6973260579

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6968978173

You didn't used to sell self-shrinkwrapped games.

If you bought them that way, I don't see how you could account for all of the manuals. Or even the discs themselves.

+++EDIT+++
But for the record, I believe that ultimately the buyer is at fault. It was clear that there was a difference between factory sealed and sealed with the application of some common sense from a propective buyer, but it's still sketchy.

[supadupacheap]

I appreciate all of your input. There was no intention of ripping anyone off, nor did we feel ripped off when we purchased the huge lot. We knew they weren't new and the seller represented them exactly the way my son did when he resold them.

However, this has been a lesson and my son will be more specific in his descriptions on future sales.

Meanwhile, the threatening emails from the buyer continue. He as now filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and The Consumer Complaints Dept with the state of Florida.
Ok, well it seems the two of you now know what the deal is and arent trying to hold this guy over the fire for it. Thats good. The bad part is, it sounds like hes a total tool who cant get that hes guilty as well since he bid on something he wasnt 100% sure of (plus, the sealed being apart from the "new" would have sent off red flags you would think)
As far as the consumer conplaints department and the BBB, uh, hes full of crap. What buisness is he going to report? Ebay? Good luck with that one pal. Consumer complaints may get him a little further but not too far. Hes basically trying to scare tactic you into giving him his money back. Im not so sure youd see the stuff back either if you paid up.
What you should do is try to keep an open dialogue with him. If he wont be reasonable, thats life sometimes. If the money is under dispute and in limbo with paypal, you can pretty much kiss it goodbye. Do your best to get the stuff back and file whatever counter claims are needed to make sure this happens. Good luck.

[wubb]

Any savvy buyer would realize that only the 2 under 'factory sealed' are actually new. I think your son would have been smart to explicitly say something like 'Sealed - NOT NEW, these were re-shrink wrapped' but it's too late for that now. It is a little misleading, but taken with the fact that he had a category of 'factory sealed'... Still as a seller you really have to go to pains to make everything very clear. Your son's FB shows that isn't a top priority for him.

I was going to link to the Xbox auction already mentioned myself. That one is CLEARLY misleading. And given that your son obviously knew just saying 'SEALED' confuses many buyers I have a hard time sympathizing

[chosen1s]

I appreciate all of your input. There was no intention of ripping anyone off, nor did we feel ripped off when we purchased the huge lot. We knew they weren't new and the seller represented them exactly the way my son did when he resold them.

However, this has been a lesson and my son will be more specific in his descriptions on future sales.

Meanwhile, the threatening emails from the buyer continue. He as now filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and The Consumer Complaints Dept with the state of Florida.

I'm not really sure what happened here, but from reading the posts it seems that somebody looked at your "son's" bid history and found that this same lot you sold for $500 was purchased by you for the same amount previously. If this is the case, I would say it is safe to assume you have been "caught" in trying to get away with unloading the same junk you just bought from someone else. Perhaps you were hoping some of the "sealed" games were actually factory sealed yourself. Naturally, this all hinges on the implication that I read into some of the posts I skimmed that you recently bought this same lot for the same price you sold it for.

In terms of the auction in question, let me first say that I would have been skeptical in reading your auction. I would have thought "This $#$%# tried to trick me into thinking all these games are new - he must have thought I was pretty dumb." Notice I didn't "fall" for it, but my immediate thought was that the auction was intentionally deceptive. The word "sealed" to describe a game is generally synonymous with the word new. It would be an uphill battle for you to convince me that your "son" didn't know that and was just hoping to slide by on this. Otherwise, why call it "sealed"? I mean, come on, what does being covered in shrinkwrap have to do with the condition of the game at all? There is no other reason to use the word "sealed". As a crystal-clear example - imagine buying Chrono Trigger for Super Nintendo "In Box, with Instructions and Map". And when you get it, sure enough - there it is, in a brown cardboard box with hand-written instructions and a hand-drawn map. The seller tells you "I said it came in a box with instructions and map and that's what I sent!" This is the same thing.

Now, on the buyer's side, I have a hard time believing they're 100% on the up-and-up as well, but that doesn't make your son's "mistake" any less wrong. My 2 cents...

[chosen1s]

I appreciate all of your input. There was no intention of ripping anyone off, nor did we feel ripped off when we purchased the huge lot. We knew they weren't new and the seller represented them exactly the way my son did when he resold them.

However, this has been a lesson and my son will be more specific in his descriptions on future sales.

Meanwhile, the threatening emails from the buyer continue. He as now filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and The Consumer Complaints Dept with the state of Florida.

If this has TRULY been a lesson for you and your son, I would expect the wording of the other auctions to be changed as well by now. I'm having more and more trouble feeling sorry for your son as this goes on.

Incidentally, you're not the lady I bought a "brand new" Castlevania Legends from, (only to find out it's cart-only) are you?

[VanillaGorilla]

You're a fricking scam artist, you bitch!


Whoops, sorry, my son posted that last remark. I told him he wasn't allowed to use our computer, especially with that naughty language!

[dastly75]

Tell your "son" to get a job

[worx]

I'm just so flattered you decided to join CAG just to post how your "son" sold some "sealed games" :roll:

I think I'm going to start listing games as sealed and then shipping them out in a sealed ZipLock bag. :bomb:

[Apossum]

You're a fricking scam artist, you bitch!


Whoops, sorry, my son posted that last remark. I told him he wasn't allowed to use our computer, especially with that naughty language!

:rofl:

my son made me rofl, btw. I normally have more respect, but my son drugged me and made me huff gas, so I started rofling.

[mmercer13]

People like this stupid ass and her "son" are the ones ruining Ebay.

[briansraregames]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6963647570

[zionoverfire]

Sealed typically means new, in the case of some games stores seal or reseal them. I would call your auction deceptive, intentional or otherwise.

[Rozz]

Why didnt your "son" post this topic? Why are you crying about it?

[aoLat]

Because he doesn't have a son! -.-

[tonya1]

The smoking gun?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6963647570

All these games were resold in the listings above.

so "her son" did buy a large lot of xbox games, "seal" them in an attempt to either deceive "his" "flea market" or "ebay" buyers, but didn't do a very good job of it.

Dishonest? Yes.
Stupid? Yes.
Deserving of the trouble they're getting? Abosolutley.

The games he purchased on EBay were "sealed" and resold without being opened. I have offered the buyer an additional $200 refund.

[worx]

The games he purchased on EBay were "sealed" and resold without being opened. I have offered the buyer an additional $200 refund.
Can you refund CAG $200 for posting this crap?

[tonya1]

Why didnt your "son" post this topic? Why are you crying about it?

OMG, do any of you have kids? They sometimes do things that are questioned and as a parent I'm trying to get some input on this situation.

[tonya1]

You're a fricking scam artist, you bitch!


Whoops, sorry, my son posted that last remark. I told him he wasn't allowed to use our computer, especially with that naughty language!

Very funnny.....................

[worx]

OMG, do any of you have kids? They sometimes do things that are questioned and as a parent I'm trying to get some input on this situation.

wow, that was lame. if your child is old enough to buy/sell on eBay they're probably old enough to know the difference between "sealed and scamming" and "factory sealed" and its probably a little late to be getting input :roll:

[tonya1]

People like this stupid ass and her "son" are the ones ruining Ebay.

I don't appreciate that comment. I started this thread to get some answers and have received some very helpful suggestions from other members.

[tonya1]

wow, that was lame. if your child is old enough to buy/sell on eBay they're probably old enough to know the difference between "sealed and scamming" and "factory sealed" and its probably a little late to be getting input :roll:

Do you have any children?

[tonya1]

So you were both involved in purchasing the games. Not just your son as you stated earlier. And you must keep buying a lot of lots from this person, because you sure do have a lot of sealed, used games.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Xbox-Lot_W0QQitemZ6979775953QQcategoryZ31583QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6972032026

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6973260579

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31583&item=6968978173

You didn't used to sell self-shrinkwrapped games.

If you bought them that way, I don't see how you could account for all of the manuals. Or even the discs themselves.

+++EDIT+++
But for the record, I believe that ultimately the buyer is at fault. It was clear that there was a difference between factory sealed and sealed with the application of some common sense from a propective buyer, but it's still sketchy.

I financed the purchase for him to start his own business at the flea market, which went okay until weather got rough and sales dropped because the flea market was flooded for 4 consecutive weekends in June/July. The games were shrinkwrapped when he bought them.

[tonya1]

Any savvy buyer would realize that only the 2 under 'factory sealed' are actually new. I think your son would have been smart to explicitly say something like 'Sealed - NOT NEW, these were re-shrink wrapped' but it's too late for that now. It is a little misleading, but taken with the fact that he had a category of 'factory sealed'... Still as a seller you really have to go to pains to make everything very clear. Your son's FB shows that isn't a top priority for him.

I was going to link to the Xbox auction already mentioned myself. That one is CLEARLY misleading. And given that your son obviously knew just saying 'SEALED' confuses many buyers I have a hard time sympathizing

Didn't come here looking for sympathy, but thanks for your comments. He will be much clearer in any future EBay transactions.

[worx]

Didn't come here looking for sympathy, but thanks for your comments. He will be much clearer in any future EBay transactions.

What are you asking for then? :-s

How old is your son out of curiosity - b/c I love how you just let a kid put things up on eBay without double checking them :roll:

[tonya1]

If this has TRULY been a lesson for you and your son, I would expect the wording of the other auctions to be changed as well by now. I'm having more and more trouble feeling sorry for your son as this goes on.

Incidentally, you're not the lady I bought a "brand new" Castlevania Legends from, (only to find out it's cart-only) are you?

He will be much more descriptive in any future auctions, and no, I'm not even a seller on EBay.

[tonya1]

What are you asking for then? :-s

How old is your son out of curiosity - b/c I love how you just let a kid put things up on eBay without double checking them :roll:

He's 18, and I did review his auction and actually questioned on the "sealed" description. He then showed me several other sellers, including the one he originally bought his games from, that used the same term. ......

[dastly75]

You reminded me how awesome my parents are. Thanks :) sometimes you just gotta see that things could be worse before you appreciate what you have...

[worx]

He's 18,

:rofl:

[tonya1]

Because he doesn't have a son! -.-

I'm a she and I have 2 sons!

[pimp tyranny]

interesting topic. and lol at vanillagorilla and apossum

[Scorch]

He's 18 and he gets his mommy to handle ebay situations?

Do you still wipe his ass, too?

[aoLat]

Haha! Mommy I'm doooooone! XD Or mommy I had a bad dream gimme some milky and cookie, goo goo! XD

[mbstuff]

Just my 2 cents, but I thought the auction was pretty clear. There's a factory sealed section separate from the sealed section, which to me is a pretty clear indicator that "sealed" doesn't mean unopened.

Also, and more importantly, none of the photos show any game that is obviously new. I see no hologram strips anywhere in those photos.

Btw, the lack of these holographic strips is why I'm done buying factory sealed PS2 games unless I will open them immediately to play. Not that locating the strip on the top edge of the case stopped people from gutting a game, but I just can't trust a sealed-looking game to actually be unopened without the strips. I don't want to be stuck with a game past its store return date and open it only to find a blank CD-R and cardboard, or worse yet, trade or sell a game only to have the buyer accuse me of sending a blank CD-R.

[btw1217]

I've been buying and selling on eBay since a few weeks after my 14th birthday back in 2001 and I haven't had any problems. 208 feedback, all positive. No neutrals or negs. And it was my own account too. I created it and I was the only one to use it. So if he's 18, I would think he could handle it.

[aoLat]

Maybe he's a momma's boy. :baby:

[briansraregames]

=I have offered the buyer an additional $200 refund.

DON'T DO THAT! Seriously, no matter what really happened, this is a bad move. Offering a refund will be seen as admission of guilt or wrongdoing. Your listing was fine. Don't give them a refund unless you're ordered to by a court or Paypal.

As far as his threats go, the better business bureau is a mediation service with no real authority, so don't worry about that. Especially since I doubt if you have a tax ID number anyway. As far as the whole dept of florida whatever, unless both buyer and seller are located in the same state, they probably won't have jurisdiction in the matter and whoever has jurisdiction probably won't care.

[Esper]

Do you still wipe his ass, too?:rofl:

[YoshiFan1]

I think the auction was clear but this is EBay where people don't read descriptions. I had a game that was listed as factory sealed and I got questions asking what kind of condition the game was in. Another listing also for a factory sealed game I got a question asking if the shrinkwrap was on the game.

Unfortunately, all the buyer has to do is complain to Paypal and they will get their money back. They can just file a not as described complaint and they should win the dispute no questions asked.

I think others mentioned it but in the future, if you are selling resealed games, make sure to note they are or could be used.

[$hady]

"your son" is a scammer it should say REsealed games.

[tonya1]

DON'T DO THAT! Seriously, no matter what really happened, this is a bad move. Offering a refund will be seen as admission of guilt or wrongdoing. Your listing was fine. Don't give them a refund unless you're ordered to by a court or Paypal.

As far as his threats go, the better business bureau is a mediation service with no real authority, so don't worry about that. Especially since I doubt if you have a tax ID number anyway. As far as the whole dept of florida whatever, unless both buyer and seller are located in the same state, they probably won't have jurisdiction in the matter and whoever has jurisdiction probably won't care.

Too late. We processed the refund this AM $250 total and the buyer notified PayPal, the BBB & Consumer Services that the issue was resolved. And we move on.

Thanks for all (well most) of the input.

Tonya

[Zing]

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[bmulligan]

"your son" is a scammer it should say REsealed games.

Yes, again, using the "sealed" descriptor implies a new, unopened game. No one can possibly know what your specific definition of sealed is. Since you know they aren't new, it looks suspicious, and it gives the appearance that you are attempting to impart some additional value because they have shrinkwrap around them. Knowing they aren't new games, you should have listed them as such and used RE-WRAPPED at the very least.

[gopro]

I swear people at cag at morons and have to put in their idiotic 2cents.
of coruse its the buyers fault. he shouldve asked questions. Thats what everyone else said to me when I asked about the "Mint" and the case was cracked with no instructions.

O well at least u got it resolved. U guys do realize that Boys live with the parents for some time until leaving the household and girls usually leave in their early 20's. Thats the way it is.

[m0dem]

I think you need to be more clearer in your description saying used but sealed or something like that instead of just sealed cause people tend to think they are new.

[donssword]

Sorry to see the hwole thing play out the way it did.

A buyer should have questioned the obvious diff between what was labeld "sealed" vs. "Factory Sealed."

[Sporadic]

I swear people at cag at morons and have to put in their idiotic 2cents.
of coruse its the buyers fault. he shouldve asked questions. Thats what everyone else said to me when I asked about the "Mint" and the case was cracked with no instructions.

O well at least u got it resolved. U guys do realize that Boys live with the parents for some time until leaving the household and girls usually leave in their early 20's. Thats the way it is.

Oh the irony of that whole post.

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For some reason, I picture gopro sitting at his computer desk wearing a helmet and swimmies.

[willardhaven]

Did anybody notice that quadruple post? Well played OP.

[Chacrana]

My son sold some video games on EBay. Here's the auction deal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6979774743&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

His buyer if furious because he claimes all of the games should have been new. Please take and look and let me know what you think.

Thx!

Tonya

The buyer's at fault. The auction clearly states that only a few of the games are actually new, many of them are resealed, and the majority are not sealed at all. Maybe the buyer thought that they'd all never been played, but it seems pretty clear that they're used.

[Demontooth]

Do you have any children?

Mpst of the dumbasses on here are children

[ECW_fan]

Just because they were going to call the BBB does not mean OP should have refunded any money. Buyer was at fault, and was clearly stated. Now with the sale before that one if they weren't sealed it should have not been listed as such.

[pimp tyranny]

and $250 is way too large a refund. that buyer was an ass hole, an incredibly stupid one at that.

[tonya1]

and $250 is way too large a refund. that buyer was an ass hole, an incredibly stupid one at that.

But the buyer is still not happy. Last night we posted Neutral Feedback on the transaction and this morning he sent us both private emails saying "I guess you still haven't learned your lesson, now watch what feedback I'm going to post" and he posted a Negative Feedback.

My son emailed the buyer back to say "leave us alone, you scammed us out of $250 and F... O..

The buyer then emailed my son back to say "Yet you've committed another crime. I have now reported you to the FCC & the FTC" then emailed me to show me what my son emailed him and said "Good luck to you both, I hope you don't scam anybody else." However, he bother to share with me what he emailed my son.

I notice the buyer has only been an EBayer since May 05 and has 6 (SIX) mutually withdrawn feedbacks, which he also requested my son to do today, but we didn't withdraw our feedback.

WHAT MORE DOES HE WANT FROM US!!!!?????

Tonya

[btw1217]

But the buyer is still not happy. Last night we posted Neutral Feedback on the transaction and this morning he sent us both private emails saying "I guess you still haven't learned your lesson, now watch what feedback I'm going to post" and he posted a Negative Feedback.

My son emailed the buyer back to say "leave us alone, you scammed us out of $250 and F... O..

The buyer then emailed my son back to say "Yet you've committed another crime. I have now reported you to the FCC & the FTC" then emailed me to show me what my son emailed him and said "Good luck to you both, I hope you don't scam anybody else." However, he bother to share with me what he emailed my son.

I notice the buyer has only been an EBayer since May 05 and has 6 (SIX) mutually withdrawn feedbacks, which he also requested my son to do today, but we didn't withdraw our feedback.

WHAT MORE DOES HE WANT FROM US!!!!?????

Tonya

You have nothing to worry about as far as the FCC and FTC are concerned. If he did report you to them, I'm sure they laughed at his stupidity. Not to mention I'm not sure what crime you committed. If he thinks being told to f*** off is a crime, he's got a hard life ahead of him. You should've never offered him the refund, but just put him out of your mind. You won't have to deal with him anymore unless you want to mutually withdraw that negative. You didn't scam anyone or commit any crimes. The listing was slightly confusing and/or misleading, but he got exactly what was listed. No scam occurred.

[.JPG]

But the buyer is still not happy. Last night we posted Neutral Feedback on the transaction and this morning he sent us both private emails saying "I guess you still haven't learned your lesson, now watch what feedback I'm going to post" and he posted a Negative Feedback.

My son emailed the buyer back to say "leave us alone, you scammed us out of $250 and F... O..

The buyer then emailed my son back to say "Yet you've committed another crime. I have now reported you to the FCC & the FTC" then emailed me to show me what my son emailed him and said "Good luck to you both, I hope you don't scam anybody else." However, he bother to share with me what he emailed my son.

I notice the buyer has only been an EBayer since May 05 and has 6 (SIX) mutually withdrawn feedbacks, which he also requested my son to do today, but we didn't withdraw our feedback.

WHAT MORE DOES HE WANT FROM US!!!!?????

Tonya

The buyer saw the listing, you made it clear to them what you where selling, and they AGREED to buy it by placing a bid. That buyer is just trying to get a good deal on the items and will do whatever it takes. I really don't know what to tell you expect that the buyer is a complete jerk.

DO NOT WITHDRAW YORU FEEDBACK! He is trying to make this all dissapear and get 50% off all the games and doesn't want his feedback ruined so he can go scam some more people in my opinion is what's happening. I would have left him a negative feedback saying "You should have read the listing, it was made clear what was for sale".

Next time if something like this happens again, don't be quick to refund or leave feedback. Look into the problem and then decide what you should do.

[piscian18]

I just don't get ebayers sometimes. I buy and sell stuff on ebay just to make a couple bucks or get something I want. I'm never trying to cash in big off people who miss fine print or only ebay casually.

my ebay (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=piscian19)

anyway the auction looks clear and 100 for 560? 5.60$ a game buyers being a baby and just thought he could make money off this.

Perry bible fellowship ROCKS somebody should give that guy money


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[alonzomourning23]

But the buyer is still not happy. Last night we posted Neutral Feedback on the transaction and this morning he sent us both private emails saying "I guess you still haven't learned your lesson, now watch what feedback I'm going to post" and he posted a Negative Feedback.

My son emailed the buyer back to say "leave us alone, you scammed us out of $250 and F... O..

The buyer then emailed my son back to say "Yet you've committed another crime. I have now reported you to the FCC & the FTC" then emailed me to show me what my son emailed him and said "Good luck to you both, I hope you don't scam anybody else." However, he bother to share with me what he emailed my son.

I notice the buyer has only been an EBayer since May 05 and has 6 (SIX) mutually withdrawn feedbacks, which he also requested my son to do today, but we didn't withdraw our feedback.

WHAT MORE DOES HE WANT FROM US!!!!?????

Tonya

If someone gave me a neutral feedback because I purchased an item from them where their description was misleading, I'd be pissed and give a negative as well. A neutral is a bad feedback, there is no real "neutral" feedback on ebay. The guy may be rude, but you were way out of line giving a neutral. I don't care what anyone says, the term "sealed" implies it's new. I usually agree with the seller, but I simply can't in this case.

[piscian18]

sealed= seller is a dick

he has point why seal something unless your tryiing to rip people off

[flaprabbit]

I think maybe the buyer scammed you. I believe the buyer knew what they were getting and purposely bought your auction because it had misleading descriptions knowing they could either file a claim with paypal or bully you into giving them a refund. I can't imagine anybody putting down that much money without looking at all the pictures and checking the descriptions over.

[greendc27]

I think maybe the buyer scammed you. I believe the buyer knew what they were getting and purposely bought your auction because it had misleading descriptions knowing they could either file a claim with paypal or bully you into giving them a refund. I can't imagine anybody putting down that much money without looking at all the pictures and checking the descriptions over.

After reading about all the buyer's mutually withdrawn feedback I'd have to agree with you. It sounds like he may have done this before.

[tonya1]

I think maybe the buyer scammed you. I believe the buyer knew what they were getting and purposely bought your auction because it had misleading descriptions knowing they could either file a claim with paypal or bully you into giving them a refund. I can't imagine anybody putting down that much money without looking at all the pictures and checking the descriptions over.

I think you're right. It is interesting to receive all of these opinions. I'm not taking any scores, but it seems pretty close on who thinks who was right or wrong.

Anyway, it's done, or I thought it was until I looked at my son's PayPal account yesterday. Man, they showed a pending withdraw from my son's bank for the $560 the buyer disputed and then withdrew (all within a couple hours) and after he withdrew it we sent a payment to him for the $200. Then PayPal withdrew the entire balance from my son's bank account. I called them yesterday and said "look, the buyer withdrew his dispute and PayPal sent us an email confirming that. Why are you still processing a withdrawal for that amount from our bank?" They said that's the way it's done, so now his Paypal account will have a credit balance we'll have to transfer back to the bank. He would have been hit with overdraft fees from his bank because there wasn't that much $ in his account, so I had to make a cash deposit to cover this until we can pull it back from PayPal, which is putting a hurtin on the bills I have to pay on the 15th.:roll:

WHAT A FIASCO this has been!

[tonya1]

After reading about all the buyer's mutually withdrawn feedback I'd have to agree with you. It sounds like he may have done this before.

You noticed that too, huh? He's the type of person that we could keep arguing with forever, but we're done, hopefully.

T

[howlinmad]

Don't know what the sellers intent is here honestly, maybe she/he is telling the truth, maybe not.
But the fact is, if as a buyer, you see a description saying "Factory Sealed, sealed" AND THEN a list that has a couple of games under "factory sealed" and many under "sealed", and you STILL don't ask questions about the "sealed"....you are a dumbass if you expected everything new.

Sounds a bit fishy, but I've gotten used games at small locally owned stores that were shrinkwrapped.

And no, sealed/shrinkwrap is not necessarily the same as FACTORY SEALED. If you are spending 500 bucks, it's smart to ask questions to begin with.

I really don't know if you are telling the truth or not, but you or your son or SOMEBODY WHOEVER should probably be more descriptive on EBay. I know, it's spelled out, but believe it or not, people buy cardboard boxes with Xs drawn on it there.
The 50% of EBay that's bad is about 25% scams and 25% dumbasses who can't read. And then there's the one's like me who can't spell. :)


....oh, and if you are really telling the truth, forgive some of these folks here. They get pissed when they win an auction for a stationwagon and the seller won't send it Media Mail.

[stocker08]

that was kind of a cheap trick. Saying sealed usually means new. But then again, right above it it says factory sealed games also. But still, if they are new, then they are sealed. You should have said resealed.

Personally, it looks like a cheap trick and i would have been somewhat angry too. Sealed and Factory Sealed ARE 2 different things............but I personally have never seen Used sealed games........it looks like you were asking for trouble.

[tonya1]

Well, I am telling the truth. My son bought those games on EBay just the way he sold them, with the same description, and no intent to deceive. Anyway, it's over, I think.

[tonya1]

that was kind of a cheap trick. Saying sealed usually means new. But then again, right above it it says factory sealed games also. But still, if they are new, then they are sealed. You should have said resealed.

Personally, it looks like a cheap trick and i would have been somewhat angry too. Sealed and Factory Sealed ARE 2 different things............but I personally have never seen Used sealed games........it looks like you were asking for trouble.

thx. I don't even play these games but I'll let my son know. :)

[tonya1]

Don't know what the sellers intent is here honestly, maybe she/he is telling the truth, maybe not.
But the fact is, if as a buyer, you see a description saying "Factory Sealed, sealed" AND THEN a list that has a couple of games under "factory sealed" and many under "sealed", and you STILL don't ask questions about the "sealed"....you are a dumbass if you expected everything new.

Sounds a bit fishy, but I've gotten used games at small locally owned stores that were shrinkwrapped.

And no, sealed/shrinkwrap is not necessarily the same as FACTORY SEALED. If you are spending 500 bucks, it's smart to ask questions to begin with.

I really don't know if you are telling the truth or not, but you or your son or SOMEBODY WHOEVER should probably be more descriptive on EBay. I know, it's spelled out, but believe it or not, people buy cardboard boxes with Xs drawn on it there.
The 50% of EBay that's bad is about 25% scams and 25% dumbasses who can't read. And then there's the one's like me who can't spell. :)


....oh, and if you are really telling the truth, forgive some of these folks here. They get pissed when they win an auction for a stationwagon and the seller won't send it Media Mail.

Do you think I would have started this thread just to lie about this? Nope, actually found this forum when I did a Yahoo search for video games and emailed your Webmaster with a question on the "sealed" legality and was directed to post here. No lie. :)

T

[alonzomourning23]

If the story is true, that doesn't mean your son didn't figure he could pass it off as a legit listing and insists that is what he did, even if he knew a buyer may think "sealed" is new.

[foltzie]

Fill me in here, since when can PayPal move funds from your bank account without your permission? Even if they are investigating fraud they shouldnt have that power.

I would consider filing a complaint with your bank.

[stocker08]

i guess as long as the games were in MINT condition the person shouldnt have had a problem. But many people see sealed, and they expect that its new.

[bmulligan]

Fill me in here, since when can PayPal move funds from your bank account without your permission? Even if they are investigating fraud they shouldnt have that power.

I would consider filing a complaint with your bank.

when you sign up for Paypal and attatch a bank account, you are giving them permission to access your account at their discretion. They make a deposit of .01 cents and then a withdrawl to verify the account. After that, they own your ass.

As I gathered from the OP's post a few posts back, the buyer did a chargeback and got a refund for the $500 AND got a payment from you for $250. That's a pretty good scam job he's got going.

I think the buyer in this case was a scam artist. I've known a few buyers who've done similar things to me. This is a good reason to NEVER give any rebates or payments to unscrupulous buyers since they can automatically get a refund from Paypal and walk away with extra cash from unwary sellers.

Does Ebay have an arbitration service anymore ? They used to.

[shrike4242]

Situations like this are why I don't like dealing with Ebay.

OP, you were scammed, and big time. The mutually withdrawn feedback makes me think he holds people's feedback for ransom, and once the situation is resolved with either a partial refund from the seller or a partial/full refund from Paypal.

Good luck in dealing with this situation, though I do have one question. When you did your refund through Paypal, did you just send them the $250 like a payment, or did you do a refund from the original payment? If you did a refund, I can't see how Paypal would dock you for the other $310, since you already did a refund for $250. If you just sent them $250, then I can see how Paypal would send out the whole $560 as a refund, since they wouldn't see the $250 payment as a refund.

Sealed is a touchy word around here, as well as eBay. Everyone has their own definition, and mine would be sealed from the factory, anything else isn't sealed.

Good luck in dealing with this mess. I'd avoide eBay like the plague from now on, if I were you, as well as set up a new Paypal account to prevent future messes like this.

[Will]

....oh, and if you are really telling the truth, forgive some of these folks here. They get pissed when they win an auction for a stationwagon and the seller won't send it Media Mail.

AMEN!

[psiufoxx2]

Perry bible fellowship ROCKS somebody should give that guy money

Agreed!! Nick Gurewich started drawing his strip for the Syracuse daily student newspaper, the Daily Orange, while I was a student there. He was pretty funny in person too. What a great comic.