Quake 4 discussion HERE

[wildnuts02]

I know this isn't released yet but at least one review is. IGN gave it a disappointing 8.2 (http://pc.ign.com/articles/658/658263p1.html) I think it's a little uncool to give this game such a low score because (mostly) it lacks a robust multiplayer mode.

It's a curious direction that Quake 4 has taken this time around, with the heavy emphasis on single-player, apparently at the development cost of multiplayer, previously its very selling point. And while the SP production values are certainly expensive-looking and sounding, the actual combat mechanics feel a step behind the evolution of the genre, and not in an intentionally retro way.

What do you guys think? Should a game get somewhat low marks for not being great enough at multiplayer - Half Life 2 didn't seem to share that problem but maybe it was because the gameplay was more intricate? Maybe the "combat mechanics" are just THAT bad...

[Scorch]

Enlighten me.

HOW THE HELL IS 8.2 A LOW SCORE?

[zewone]

Enlighten me.

HOW THE HELL IS 8.2 A LOW SCORE?
Because nothing is good unless it gets at least a 9.0. :roll:

[Scorch]

Because nothing is good unless it gets at least a 9.0. :roll:

I guess so. And he didn't just call it low, he called it "remarkably" low.

Maybe he's dyslexic and read it as 2.8.

[wildnuts02]

Enlighten me.

HOW THE HELL IS 8.2 A LOW SCORE?


Okay, maybe you don't check out IGN as much as I do (and you're probably not missing much). But one thing you should know, is that IGN gets wood over almost everything. Examples off the top of my head: GTA: VC 9.9, Jade Empire 9.9, Mario 64 DS 8.9 (when you can barely control it), Pirates! 9.2.

By comparison, 8.2 is teh suck on a marquee title.

[Scorch]

Okay, maybe you don't check out IGN as much as I do (and you're probably not missing much). But one thing you should know, is that IGN gets wood over almost everything. Examples off the top of my head: GTA: VC 9.9, Jade Empire 9.9, Mario 64 DS 8.9 (when you can barely control it), Pirates! 9.2.

By comparison, 8.2 is teh suck on a marquee title.

I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.

You should also compare it with other games that are more or less strict shooters, like Timesplitters, rather than compare the score of this to platformers and RPG's.

[SteveMcQ]

The FPS market is also very competitive on the PC market. Gotta bring something to the table to get the scores.

[wildnuts02]

I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.



Well this was a PC review, and I can't really think about a more marquee title coming out for the PC in the near future. So lets look at Doom 3 which we all know was a huge disappointment (yes, I own it on the PC) - yet IGN still gave it a 8.9.

[Animefalcon]

halo 2/farcry/Half-life2(CS:S bots were added latter)/COD didn't have bots.
If your going to nock quake 4 for not having bots then might as well bring halo 2/farcry/Half-life2/COD down a point as well. Quake 3 arena had bots because it was a multiplayer based game. As for its the best of quake2/3 if it isn't broken don't fix it. IMO Quake 4 is being writen off as the "quake version" of doom 3(IMO i liked the retro feel of doom3)


BTW
some1 should get a Server going for q4

[wildnuts02]

halo 2/farcry/Half-life2(CS:S bots were added latter)/COD didn't have bots.
If your going to nock quake 4 for not having bots then might as well bring halo 2/farcry/Half-life2/COD down a point as well.

Exactly!

[Wander2045]

I think it should get knocked for not having a strong multiplayer mode. Quake isn't a story based game. It is based on its multiplayer mode. I know people that are getting it solely for that aspect and will never touch the single player side.

[wildnuts02]

I think it should get knocked for not having a strong multiplayer mode. Quake isn't a story based game. It is based on its multiplayer mode. I know people that are getting it solely for that aspect and will never touch the single player side.

Fair enough.

[Animefalcon]

Wolfenstein 3D Didn't ship multiplayer at all
DOOM didn't ship with any DM maps
DOOM II didn't ship with any DM maps
Final DOOM didn't ship with any DM maps
Quake I only shipped with 6 DM Maps.
Quake II only shipped with 1 DM Map(more were added later in patches).
Quake III Arena only shipped with 30 DM and 5 CTF Maps.
Return to Castle Wolfenstein Only shipped with 7 MP Maps
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory only came with 6 maps
Doom 3 only shipped with 5 DM maps
Doom 3 ROE Only shipped with 4 DM and 6 CTF MAPS
Quake 4 is shipping with 9 DM and 5 CTF maps
I don't recall many Single player with Multiplayer thats offers over 14 maps for multiplayer. So i don't know what IGN and PCgamer were think that quake 4 needed more maps
Ill give a mini-review(multiplayer) once i get back from playing it at digital life

[redgopher]

IGN gave it a disappointing 8.2.

You are such a shitfucking dumbass.

10 < OMFG --- Soul Calibur, GTA: SA, Ocarina of Time
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9 < AWESOME --- Halo, Far Cry / Far Cry Instincts
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8 < GREAT --- Quake 4, Conker: L&R
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7 < GOOD --- Call of Duty: Finest Hour
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6 < DECENT --- Mega Man X7
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5 < MEDIOCRE --- Namco Museum
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4 < CRAP --- Lunar Dragon Song
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3 < CRAPPIER --- Monster Garage
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2 < PILE OF DOG SHIT --- Spice World
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1 < YOUR MOM --- C: The Contra Adventure, ET (2600)


Now, looking at the above diagram would you say that:

a) You didn't pass the first grade and thus have no knowledge of any mathematics whatsoever,
b) You have recently had a lobotomy,
c) I totally pounded your mom in the ass last night, or
d) All of the above?

[wildnuts02]

You are such a shitfucking dumbass.

10 < OMFG come in mah pants
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9 < Awesome
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8 < Great
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7 < Good
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6 < Decent
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5 < Mediocre
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4 < Crap
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3 < Crappier
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2 < Pile of Dog Shit
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1 < Your Mom

shitfucking? i bet you do...go back to the mudflaps and stfu you homo.

[redgopher]

stfu you homo

You're so deep in the closet, you're finding Christmas presents.

[wildnuts02]

You're so deep in the closet, you're finding Christmas presents.

You must've heard them all by now haven't you?

[redgopher]

OK, OK, I give up.

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive14.jpg

[opportunity777]

The multiplayer was going to not be fleshed out because ID needs to put out an expansion pack duh :-P

I might as well add my opinion of the IGN review ... how did graphics only get a 9.0??? How many / what games look better???

I think the score is kind of sketchy if you ask me.

[Unassuming Local Guy]

10 < OMFG --- Soul Calibur, GTA: SA, Ocarina of Time
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9 < AWESOME --- Halo, Far Cry / Far Cry Instincts
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8 < GREAT --- Quake 4, Conker: L&R
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7 < GOOD --- Call of Duty: Finest Hour
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6 < DECENT --- Mega Man X7
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5 < MEDIOCRE --- Namco Museum
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4 < CRAP --- Lunar Dragon Song
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3 < CRAPPIER --- Monster Garage
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2 < PILE OF DOG SHIT --- Spice World
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1 < YOUR MOM --- C: The Contra Adventure, ET (2600)

That's not the way things work at IGN though. They've developed their own reputation of rating mainstream games on an 8 to 10 scale.

[Kayden]

:rofl: Because we all know making fun of retards is funny. :lol:

OK, OK, I give up.
*durrrrrr*


They said in their first interviews that they weren't going to give much in the lines of multiplayer and that it would be a return to the single player environment. They're being marked down for doing something 'poorly' that they really didn't plan on putting much emphasis on nor did they need to do at all.

[Roufuss]

I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.
.

Cmon man, I have some respect for you, but this is in the PC board and he linked to a PC review... nothing to do with the 360 at all, except the fact that it won't hit that system for another month. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were tired or something.

For the PC, Quake 4 IS a marquee title... they've been working on it forever, and it was pretty heavily hyped as being an awesome game. 8.2 isn't BAD, per se, but when you are a big name like Quake and you've been in development for awhile, this score comes as a shock. PC Gamer also rated it in the 70% range too.

Now, it could be that these reviews are low because everyone expected multiplayer (though I don't see why, all the previews I read stressed the single player). Plus, there will be a multiplayer only Quake game coming out soon, called Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. Preview is here http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=604868

So I guess the point is that while 8.2 isn't bad, for a highly anticipated title it's a bit low. It's ok, I'm still picking up my collector's edition on Wednesday, along with FEAR and Age of Empires 3 :D

For those that don't know, the Collector's Edition is $59.99, but you get the entire game on a DVD (worth it right there), some bonus interviews I think, as well as the full version of Quake 2 along with both expansions for it. Not bad, since those were awesome games that I sadly lost awhile ago.

[Zoglog]

sigh, the low marks on multiplayer are extremely dissapointing. This was the major selling point for me =( fact is I will still probably buy it, but it sucks that it got that score esp in the midst of all these other FPS'

[Kayden]

sigh, the low marks on multiplayer are extremely dissapointing. This was the major selling point for me =( fact is I will still probably buy it, but it sucks that it got that score esp in the midst of all these other FPS'

You're disapointed a game got low marks for a feature the developers were stressing wasn't going to be a major component? Are you sad when Santa doesn't leave you a turkey stuffed with chocolate bunnies?

[wildnuts02]

For those that don't know, the Collector's Edition is $59.99, but you get the entire game on a DVD (worth it right there), some bonus interviews I think, as well as the full version of Quake 2 along with both expansions for it. Not bad, since those were awesome games that I sadly lost awhile ago.

That's awesome! I'm glad I preordered that version then. I also got an ENORMOUS Quake 4 t-shirt for pre-ordering. I just hope my Radeon 9800pro is still enough to run this. It was barely good enough for Doom 3 on medium quality.

I have to agree that ID/Raven made an effort to let everyone know early that it was going to be single-player heavy. That's why this comes as such a surprise to me.

[Kayden]

That's awesome! I'm glad I preordered that version then. I also got an ENORMOUS Quake 4 t-shirt for pre-ordering. I just hope my Radeon 9800pro is still enough to run this. It was barely good enough for Doom 3 on medium quality.

I have to agree that ID/Raven made an effort to let everyone know early that it was going to be single-player heavy. That's why this comes as such a surprise to me.

My PC rocks Doom3 at 20 FPS at 1280x1024 with a 9700PRO. Q4 is supposed to have lower reqs than Doom 3.

[Kaijufan]

PC Gamer gave Quake 4 a 70%.
Highs: Loads of actions; gruesome visuals, Q3DM17 with Doom 3 Graphics.
Lows: Uninspired gameplay; stroggification plot twist goes nowhere; no multiplayer bots.
Bottom Line: This old-school shotter suffers from a lack of 21st-century game design.

[wildnuts02]

Bottom Line: This old-school shotter suffers from a lack of 21st-century game design.

what does that even mean?

[Zoglog]

You're disapointed a game got low marks for a feature the developers were stressing wasn't going to be a major component? Are you sad when Santa doesn't leave you a turkey stuffed with chocolate bunnies?

Actually I went to the E3 Presentation for Quake 4 and they said they put a new emphasis on the multiplayer as Quake always has been. This has also been reported in many press outlets as well. You're thinking of doom 3 my friend.

And from reviews the Single player isn't shining either. I'm as big a Quake fan which is why this is dissapointing. I will still buy it as I said and see it for myself though. I'll put my faith in mods

http://zoglog.clearlyseen.net/photos/e3-2005/day1/slides/IMG_1438.jpg

[Kayden]

Actually I went to the E3 Presentation for Quake 4 and they said they put a new emphasis on the multiplayer as Quake always has been. This has also been reported in many press outlets as well. You're thinking of doom 3 my friend.

And from reviews the Single player isn't shining either. I'm as big a Quake fan which is why this is dissapointing. I will still buy it as I said and see it for myself though. I'll put my faith in mods



I'm pretty sure the preview I read said they were gunna go back and make solo the star... but you just wanted to throw out the fact that you went to E3 =P

[Zoglog]

I'm pretty sure the preview I read said they were gunna go back and make solo the star... but you just wanted to throw out the fact that you went to E3 =P

No, i'm just making a point that they promised that they would make the multiplayer a focus for this game. Strangely they only showed the singleplayer portion there. Anyway errr I just hope that IGN was just being overly harsh and I'll get that good ol Quake 3 action up again

[Vegan]

Am I the only one who finds deathmatch games boring? I'm excited that they're going back to single-player, I've never touched Q3 in my life because of it.

[humidore]

Am I the only one who finds deathmatch games boring? I'm excited that they're going back to single-player, I've never touched Q3 in my life because of it.

Yeah, when I hear a FPS will have DM, I think "...and?" I was wondering why even have Q4 when ET's coming out, so I guess the fact that Q4 has bad multiplayer answers that. Just wait for ET/a price drop I say...

And is this engine easy to mod? Are they mod-friendly? That is a good point though...

[Zoglog]

Dunno, I'm still a firm believer that Rocket Arena 3 and Quake 3 DM require the most skill out of any FPS.

[Animefalcon]

Just came from Digital life and play Quake 4
Its the best of quake 2/3 and weapons feel a little bit more poweful, faster/slower

[Zoglog]

yeah falcon, I saw your post on gamefaqs. Are you getting the game on day 1? I sure as hell am :D

[The VGM]

Damn, that is one ugly game.

[SuprTnr2]

I played it a lot at Quakecon this year and needless to say it rocks. I mean sure, it's just like the older Quake's, albeit with new weapons, graphics, levels, etc. But that's exactly what Quake fans (myself included) want. I mean, I don't want anyone to go and change what's already a great franchise...

So, if you like Quake go ahead and pick this one up. I know I've got my preorder ready, now to upgrade my PC fast!

[Animefalcon]

yeah falcon, I saw your post on gamefaqs. Are you getting the game on day 1? I sure as hell am :D
ya
no sleep for me on the 18

[Frogger]

I am in touch with the PC Gaming world. I get Gamespy Daily, read Slashdot Games and subscribe to PC Gamer.

I swear, the first I knew (as in, said - hey, Q4 is coming out) was today when I looked in the best buy flier.

Is it me, or has this title really flown under the radar?

[wildnuts02]

I am in touch with the PC Gaming world. I get Gamespy Daily, read Slashdot Games and subscribe to PC Gamer.

I swear, the first I knew (as in, said - hey, Q4 is coming out) was today when I looked in the best buy flier.

Is it me, or has this title really flown under the radar?

You're right. and the lukewarm reviews aren't helping things either. I guess that means we will see a price drop soon .. I have the EB credit to get the CE at full price but the CAG in me wants to wait it out.

[Animefalcon]

bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.

[wildnuts02]

bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.

yeah good point. i guess what i meant was that flying under the radar and not so great reviews can lead to lower sales than forecasted which usually results in lower prices sooner. but like you pointed out that isn't always the case in the pc game market.

[Frogger]

bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.

I would love a NOLF3, those games ruled!

[rockhero]

I played it a bunch at quakecon this year and I thought it was awesome.. I'll definitely be picking it up on day 1.

[Animefalcon]

Any got a server or know some1 that get 1 up

[Zoglog]

Yup Quake 4 has been pretty low key. Reminds me of serenity hahah. Anyway err yeah do you guys think Best buy and other stores will have it in on Tuesday? or will I have to wait till wed or thurs? got to get all those mcdonalds best buy bucks ready =)

"AVAILABLE WEDNESDAY, 2 FREE COCA-COLA® PRODUCTS INSTANTLY*"

looks like I wont get it till the 19 unless they are nice and they take it out early like they did with EQ2 for me, but I doubt it.

and wtf 2 coke products?!?

[Frogger]

and wtf 2 coke products?!?

No clue on that one- I'd go for the Full Throttle since the game was fun (or at least the demo was, from what I remember).

[Kaijufan]

what does that even mean?
This is from their review:
As much as it pains me to say it, there isn't a single fresh idea in Quake 4. Gameplay is a Frankenstein's monster of bits and pieces from earlier games stitched together into a serviceable lump that may satisfy lovers of pure shooting mayhem, but is all stuff we've seen many times before. Worse, the borrowed parts were moldy to begin with.

[Zoglog]

ARGH it's out today. But Best buy doesnt get it till wed. Do you guys think it's ok to Buy it from EB games first today and then tomorrow i'll goto BEst buy and buy it with my BB bucks and return that one to EB? lol

[Toireht]

If you cant wait go for it, but just make sure you get a box without a Bestbuy sticker on it.

[Zoglog]

If you cant wait go for it, but just make sure you get a box without a Bestbuy sticker on it.

yeah just bought it from EBgames. the BB sticker should come off pretty easily i'd assume. I dont know why exactly I bought the limited collectors edition but yah I did. I guess I didnt want to swap discs during install lol

[stf3]

I still can't decided to get this game or not. Going to GS in a few mins so I guess I will figure it out there.

[Zoglog]

dammit I want to go home from work to play this badboy D:

[Roufuss]

ARGH it's out today. But Best buy doesnt get it till wed. Do you guys think it's ok to Buy it from EB games first today and then tomorrow i'll goto BEst buy and buy it with my BB bucks and return that one to EB? lol

Best Buy should have it in today, actually... the local Best Buy here received their shipment at around 1 pm, and had them priced and out within ten minutes.

Just bought mine from there, actually.

[Zoglog]

Best Buy should have it in today, actually... the local Best Buy here received their shipment at around 1 pm, and had them priced and out within ten minutes.

Just bought mine from there, actually.

hmm then I guess I might just call after work then and see if they have it so I can take care of the whole mess now

[phantom4]

2 of my friends bought this game today, along with me but i have yet to open mine.
Both of my friends keep getting the same error "please insert cd", 1 friend got the game to play "sometimes" by connecting his external dvdrom, he has to restart, and then quickly run the game from the external rom. My other friend cant even get the game to run.
Anyone else have this problem?

[CaseyRyback]

update your DLA. I had a problem like that with battlefield 2. It would install, but not run.

and they did not have Quake 4 out at my BB so I think you got lucky in snagging it.

[Zoglog]

OMG the craziest thing just happened. When I got into work this morning I knew that Quake 4 was coming out but I did not plan on getting it since I figured it wouldn't be in stock since many EB games wouldnt get it till Wed. Luckily I managed to get the 2nd to last Collectors edition at lunch at the EB games in Westwood! So then I declared to myself today would be Quake 4 day for me and I wanted to get home as fast as I could. Well when time came to go home at 6pm I checked up traffic.com and BAM my route had a rating of 1.2 Traffic. I basically fell out of my frickin seat. For my commute from Westwood to Redondo Beach usually has a rating of 6(If i'm lucky)-9. EVEN on columbus day it did not drop below 6. This morning on my way to work I did not notice any traffic fluxation. I didn't think this was possible and thought traffic.com had made a mistake. BUT NO WAY it was true. It was like God himself came and parted the Traffic on the 405 for me to go play Quake 4. So I have come to the conclusion that God LOVES Quake 4 and has hereby approved that I call this Quake 4 day!

Some of you may not think this is signifigant but let me assure you that for the past 2 months that i've been working in Westwood I have NEVER had such good luck with traffic ever. Even in my whole year working in Culver City I never had this good traffic on the 405 save some holidays. It was like a frickin miracle and the parting of the sea by moses!!!!

[Roufuss]

The game is exactly what I expected it to be... more Quake, and that is a good thing. If you loved Quake 2, you will love this, no doubt about it.

Things REALLY pick up after the first level (which feels alot like Doom 3, actually), and you really start to feel like you are in a war.

Edit: Just played for 2 hours straight, I love this game. Would I buy an Xbox 360 for it? Probably not, it's not revoultionary at all, it's a by the numbers FPS that does a damn good job at what it sets out to do. You really get a good feeling of being in a war.

I still get those feelings of Doom 3, but I'm sure it will go away once I start finding actual Quake weaponry, like the nailgun. The sense of war all around you is an awesome feeling, though.

If you've got a computer that can run it, by all means pick it up, espically if you loved older FPS's such as Quake 2. If you ran Doom 3, you can run this. However, is it worth upgrading / going out of your way to play? Probably not, but F.E.A.R is, so might as well pick this up once you upgrade anyways :lol:

[Zoglog]

Just finished playing multiplayer for hours. They need to optimize some crap. get framerate drops to 17 in many maps

BFG 6800 OC
3.2GHz Pentium 4
1 gig ram

But man... all I can say is there is NO FPS out there that can match it's deathmatch. Quake is back and I'm happy as hell.
Just wait for the mods. For the first time I really feel like buying a 7800 GTX
I have even tried to overclock my card for the first time to get this

But yeah funniest thing I saw today was some guy trying to play this game like counterstike, he had the machinegun and was crouching "probably zooming too" and trying to snipe people. I just went behind his ass and gauntleted him hahah

[Noodle Pirate!]

OMG the craziest thing just happened. When I got into work this morning I knew that Quake 4 was coming out but I did not plan on getting it since I figured it wouldn't be in stock since many EB games wouldnt get it till Wed. Luckily I managed to get the 2nd to last Collectors edition at lunch at the EB games in Westwood! So then I declared to myself today would be Quake 4 day for me and I wanted to get home as fast as I could. Well when time came to go home at 6pm I checked up traffic.com and BAM my route had a rating of 1.2 Traffic. I basically fell out of my frickin seat. For my commute from Westwood to Redondo Beach usually has a rating of 6(If i'm lucky)-9. EVEN on columbus day it did not drop below 6. This morning on my way to work I did not notice any traffic fluxation. I didn't think this was possible and thought traffic.com had made a mistake. BUT NO WAY it was true. It was like God himself came and parted the Traffic on the 405 for me to go play Quake 4. So I have come to the conclusion that God LOVES Quake 4 and has hereby approved that I call this Quake 4 day!

Some of you may not think this is signifigant but let me assure you that for the past 2 months that i've been working in Westwood I have NEVER had such good luck with traffic ever. Even in my whole year working in Culver City I never had this good traffic on the 405 save some holidays. It was like a frickin miracle and the parting of the sea by moses!!!!


It's cause everyone else was already home playing Q4 before you got off work ;P

[Zoglog]

It's cause everyone else was already home playing Q4 before you got off work ;P

lol sadly I wish it were so, but i'm a realist. I know games like FEAR and Counterstrike will still be more popular since it appeals to a more mainstream crowd.

But man did I come D:

http://zoglog.clearlyseen.net/random/icame.jpg

[Animefalcon]

Zolog
Even the 7800GTX was having trouble with Q4 MP :(
PATCH NOW!

[Zoglog]

Zolog
Even the 7800GTX was having trouble with Q4 MP :(
PATCH NOW!

you know the funny thing. despite all the choppiness.... I am still having a damn blast. I played Singleplayer till 3 am yesterday and it is pretty damn good. After all it's Quake cameplay. I personally enjoyed it more than Halflife 2.

I don't know why people complain about linearity in quake 4. just about all fps are linear to some extent.... FEAR is no exception

[wildnuts02]

you know the funny thing. despite all the choppiness.... I am still having a damn blast. I played Singleplayer till 3 am yesterday and it is pretty damn good. After all it's Quake cameplay. I personally enjoyed it more than Halflife 2.

I don't know why people complain about linearity in quake 4. just about all fps are linear to some extent.... FEAR is no exception

Hey can you tell me why you liked it more than Halflife 2? Right now (even though I have it preordered at EB) I'm thinking I might not get it because all I have is a Radeon 9800 pro / 512 / 2.4 ghz P4. But if you say you've had more fun with it than Halflife 2 I might just deal with the slow framerate.

[Zoglog]

Hey can you tell me why you liked it more than Halflife 2? Right now (even though I have it preordered at EB) I'm thinking I might not get it because all I have is a Radeon 9800 pro / 512 / 2.4 ghz P4. But if you say you've had more fun with it than Halflife 2 I might just deal with the slow framerate.

personal preference with the engine. also the squad play at the beginning and being thrown into a battle in the beginning is engaging. I wish they had a demo of the beginning so you could try it but it's really something. Maybe my fanboy factor is skewing it but damn i'm happy not to be a crowbar weilding wimp. The enemies are more intersting in my opinion. Like they have the strogg with a lanceon his arm and basically he can channel electricity through it and smash the ground for a ground area attack. They are right that some of the vehicle mechanics feel lagged but as far as infantry gameplay goes, it's pretty damn smooth. Also Singleplayer runs much better than multiplayer.

And falcon, I see you posting everywhere from planetquake to gamefaqs haha. :D I sure hope they got those performance issues ironed out. Istill want to get a 7800 GTX just for this game and if rocket arena 4, quake 4 fortress, and Action quake 4 come out, oh man.... orgasm D:

[Vegan]

I have a BFG Geforce 6600 PCI-E running on an AMD64 3500+ (2.2ghz) with 1GB of RAM. All of it's overclocked to push a little bit more out. It's not much, I know, but you'd be impressed if you knew how much I spent on the system. Any guesses as to what kind of performance I'd get?

[Animefalcon]

i just finish Q4 sp in 9hrs on Lieutenant
I had a better time in those 9hrs than i did in HL2.
Vegan ill say about 20's to 60fps depending on the map and whats going on

[Vegan]

That not too bad. Not an amazing experience, but playable.

[Animefalcon]

That not too bad. Not an amazing experience, but playable.
the 20fps low is for the last map (and for the few very heavey fire fights)

[paramount]

I think critics are being hard on Quake 4 because it doesn't bring much new to the table. It's an update on Quake 3 with a single player campaign overall. I wouldn't say that is a bad thing seeing as Quake 3 multiplayer was excellent, it just doesn't mean that this is anything revolutionary. The reviewers are probably a little too hard as so often they want a new and different experience, whereas the public is more welcoming to keeping with a well-proven formula.

[Animefalcon]

wow look at this
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ at 2GHz
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
ATI Radeon X800XT PE
Corsair 4X512MB DDR400
http://www.amdzone.com/pics/gaming/quake4/quake4.jpg
I didn't know quake 4 was that demanding
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[wildnuts02]

Any ideas as to what performance I should expect with a Radeon 9800 pro, 512mb, 2.4 ghz p4, SATA HD?

It seemed to run Doom 3 decently at medium quality.

[Animefalcon]

Any ideas as to what performance I should expect with a Radeon 9800 pro, 512mb, 2.4 ghz p4, SATA HD?
It seemed to run Doom 3 decently at medium quality.
expect it run worse than doom3
and in MP turn everything off

[stf3]

OMFG!!!! I just played about a solid two hours of the sp game and it freakin rocks. :lol: Picked it up today along w/ Stubbes. This is the best FPS I have played in a long time. Thankfully the game runs decent on my pc. Must go play more Quake!!!

[Zoglog]

Glad to see people are enjoying the game as much as I am. More people usually attracts more modders :D

[Vegan]

Any ideas as to what performance I should expect with a Radeon 9800 pro, 512mb, 2.4 ghz p4, SATA HD?

It seemed to run Doom 3 decently at medium quality.

512MB of RAM? Please, please, please have at least 1GB. I wouldn't even recommend running XP on 512MB.

[Zoglog]

The Rose DM level is the one LvL that lags the least for me. Anyone else experience this?

[psiufoxx2]

512MB of RAM? Please, please, please have at least 1GB. I wouldn't even recommend running XP on 512MB.

That's just crazy talk, 512 is PLENTY for XP.

But NOT for gaming. To that point I agree with you.

[Quackzilla]

When people say you need X amount of RAM to run an operating system what they mean is that is what you need to run an average program on that OS.

If you have XP you should have at least 512MB of RAM, because games, image tools, 3D rendering tools, and even Office XP are resource intensive.

But if you want to XP on your old POS with 32MB of RAM and a voodoo card go ahead, it will run but you can't load any programs.

[wildnuts02]

I guess I stupidly thought that RAM wasn't as important for gaming. I'll get another 512MB to take advantage of the DDR 400 and then go for Quake 4

[Vegan]

Maybe I'm just picky, but there's no program that I would personally want to run with 512MB in XP.

[Quackzilla]

Maybe I'm just picky, but there's no program that I would personally want to run with 512MB in XP.
So you don't want to play any games made after 2003?

[Zoglog]

Alright guys back on topic pls. =)

In other news I'm in conflict now. I'm not starting to think I shouldnt get an Xbox 360 since i'll be spending so much time with quake 4 D=!!!! So little time so many games #J@O%J@O#

[stf3]

Alright guys back on topic pls. =)

In other news I'm in conflict now. I'm not starting to think I shouldnt get an Xbox 360 since i'll be spending so much time with quake 4 D=!!!! So little time so many games #J@O%J@O#

Forget the 360 IMO. Next week pick up COD 2 and you will have all the FPS goodness you will need. Also you will be playing two of the best 360 titles a month earlier.

[Zoglog]

Forget the 360 IMO. Next week pick up COD 2 and you will have all the FPS goodness you will need. Also you will be playing two of the best 360 titles a month earlier.


I'm a sucker for hype tho, and I have a severely underused HDTV when it comes to console gaming =(. Also PG3 and Kameo >< argh conflicts!

But yeah Quake 4 the win :). What's everyone's fav MP map so far? Mine is the Rose cuz it lags the least there. Also what people think of the Dark Matter Gun. It moves slow enough to be considered not overpowered in my opinion. ooh I can imagine rocket jumping to avoid Dark Matter :D combat!

Here's an update. It seems many of the FPS drops people experience in the game may be due to the SErvers NOT being powerful enough or network lag. I noticed in some servers maps ran smoother than others with the same amount of people

tweaked settings here

http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Quake4/FPSVisuals.htm

[Animefalcon]

512MB of RAM? Please, please, please have at least 1GB. I wouldn't even recommend running XP on 512MB.
umm no theres little diffrent between 512 and 256mb in windows xp (not in games or other heavey programs)

[Roufuss]

Forget the 360 IMO. Next week pick up COD 2 and you will have all the FPS goodness you will need. Also you will be playing two of the best 360 titles a month earlier.

Not to mention you can also play Oblivion, the new Ghost Recon, Condemned... no reason to get a 360 at all if you have a good PC.

I don't think Kameo, PGR 3, and others are worth the $400 at the moment, imo.

[ITDEFX]

I will just wait a bit for the DVD version to drop.. 54 bucks..eeek.. I am not much of a FPS player myself...Doom 3 actually bored me (way too dark)..half life 2 is one of those games that I wanted to complete...that expansion needs to get here quick. I am not much of a quaker myself. The models and textures are impressive but they look too buffed up for humans and too shiny skin textures. HL2 wins my vote for realisitc humans :P

[GreenMonkey]

I picked this up today with $21 worth of Best Buy bucks I've saved up, used online for instore pickup.

No time to play it until Maybe Thursday though. :(

One of the few games I've bought new this year. I kept hearing it was like Q2 and Q3 and I'm happy...I wasn't a huge fan of Q3 but Q2 was awesome...hell I still play it online sometimes...

Now hopefully my A64 2800+ and 9800pro & 1 GB of RAM (XT) don't choke on it too badly. Doom 3 ran OK...

[Roufuss]

I picked this up today with $21 worth of Best Buy bucks I've saved up, used online for instore pickup.

No time to play it until Maybe Thursday though. :(

One of the few games I've bought new this year. I kept hearing it was like Q2 and Q3 and I'm happy...I wasn't a huge fan of Q3 but Q2 was awesome...hell I still play it online sometimes...

Now hopefully my A64 2800+ and 9800pro & 1 GB of RAM (XT) don't choke on it too badly. Doom 3 ran OK...

Hope you got the Collector's Edition... it has Quake 2 + both expansions on one DVD :D

[ajumbaje]

one question, will my laptop be able to run it(it can run doom 3 on low)
Processor: Intel Pentium M 1728MHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6200
Memory: 1024MB
Free Disk Space: 25.28GB

[Frogger]

Hope you got the Collector's Edition... it has Quake 2 + both expansions on one DVD :D

Is it Q2 with revamped engine/graphics, or just a version that will install okay on new pc's?

[Frogger]

one question, will my laptop be able to run it(it can run doom 3 on low)
Processor: Intel Pentium M 1728MHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6200
Memory: 1024MB
Free Disk Space: 25.28GB

try the demo. no clue about those wacky laptop chips... :)

[ajumbaje]

i dont think there is a quake 4 demo

[Animefalcon]

the same as doom3 but a few frames lower
and there is no Demo.

[ajumbaje]

yea, so im fine, cause i have doom 3 on my laptop

[GreenMonkey]

Hope you got the Collector's Edition... it has Quake 2 + both expansions on one DVD :D

Yup. I still have my Q2 disc, case and manual though, and it still installs fine on my PC. So not like I realy needed it, but I got it anyway.

System: 754 socket A64 2800+, MSI 9800pro, 1GB Corsair value select PC3200.
Nothing overclocked, but I might do that it get things running better- my 9800pro has an XT core and is detected as an XT, I might OC it a bit now that I actually need more power.

Impressions: single player is a FPS. I get bored by single player FPS easily, so no big opinions there. Runs decent.

Graphics: no 1280x960 option :cry:, CRT users should stick to 1280x960 instead of 1280x1024 as that is a slightly incorrect aspect ratio. That's my standard rez. I used 1152x864 instead.

Single player: game runs well on Low with Vsync and 2x AA. And almost tolerable on Medium Quality
Multiplayer: turn everything the hell off, talk about the game bringing my PC to its knees. I run it on Low @ 1152x864, Vsync on, no AA but I think I'm sticking with 800x600 to keep my framerate up. Runs a lot better at 800x600 but GFX don't look so hot on a 19" CRT :(


Gameplay: Quake3-ish but quake2-ish. I personally didn't like Q3 that much and was a rabid fan of multiplayer Q2. This is almost as good as Q2 IMO.

[Vegan]

CRT users should stick to 1280x960 instead of 1280x1024 as that is a slightly incorrect aspect ratio.

I've never heard of this before. I've been using 1280x1024 in Windows and in games for years with no detectable distortion.

[GreenMonkey]

I've never heard of this before. I've been using 1280x1024 in Windows and in games for years with no detectable distortion.

It's a common resolution for some sort of legacy reason. Something to do with old CAD workstations or something. If you do the math you will see that 1280x1024 = 1.25:1 ratio, or 5:4 ratio, instead of the proper 4:3, or 1.33:1, of the other resolutions. Not a big difference (a few percent distortion) that most people get used to...

Plasmas have rectangular pixels and 1280x1024 LCDs are actually 5:4 ratio displays.

This tends to piss off some computer geeks that like the ratio, but as a HT geek I take issue with it. A few percent is a few percent, and I like it to look right. Plus the few less pixels should be easier on the gfx card. :D

Here's a quote from Anandtech on it:


Resolution, Aspect Ratio: If you buy a 4:3 LCD, the resolution had better be 4:3 as well. That is, a 19" LCD should have an aspect ratio of 1600x1200, 1280x960, or some derivative thereof. Most 19" and 17" LCDs have an aspect ratio of 5:4 (1280x1024). This is OK, but you're looking at a 5:4 signal crammed in a 4:3 box. Our Dell 2001FP, on the other hand, measures exactly 16" by 12" and runs at a resolution of 1600x1200. Generally, a skew aspect ratio is not enough to notice, but if you do any sort of graphic work, all of your circles will look like ovals. This goes the same for widescreen LCDs - buy a widescreen LCD with a widescreen resolution; a 30" wide format LCD with a resolution of 1024x768 will not look correct no matter what you do to the signal.


http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2289&p=2


Try putting it in 1280x960 and you'll see the difference. My other computer-saavy coworkers hate my 1280x960, they say it looks funny. They're just used to staring at a slightly incorrect rez. It's like torch-mode on a TV set, out of the factory with cranked up sharpness, reds, etc...people aren't used to seeing it set properly - they are used to something different.



My understanding, though, is that 1280x1024 in 3D games is normally adjusted for, I.E., it doesn't make a difference in games. But my display geometry, etc is all tweaked for 1280x960 desktop use and I like to avoid the clickity-click of changing resolutions.

EDIT: I found some confirmation here.
http://www.hardwareforumz.com/-ratios-vary-ftopict31967.html

I guess it doesn't matter for me anyway, multiplayer Quake 4 owns my 9800pro, I end up running it at 800x600 anyway.

[Zoglog]

Personaly i'm amazed how well this game runs and how quickly it loads compared to many other games in this generation and how great this game looks. The multiplayer loads fast as ever but still needs work in optimizations.

Quake Wars Anybody :D I'm lookin forward to that

[AshesofWake]

i played this all day yesterday...and holy fuck....this is honestly the best game i've ever played in the past 3 years...holy crap...

[Zoglog]

i played this all day yesterday...and holy fuck....this is honestly the best game i've ever played in the past 3 years...holy crap...

I wouldn't say that lol, but it is defeintly the best PC FPS I have played recently ;)
To get the full effect you have to lose yourself in the singleplayer which the graphics certainly help to do.