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The Successful Dropout
10-25-2005, 10:47 AM
I'm going to try to make this story as short as possible, though it'll probably end up being really long...either way, it could definitely be longer with all of the details.

So I was working real early Sunday morning (gf was with me) when I went to a convenience store and before I had a chance to park, my gf said, "keep going, they're getting robbed" (she probably threw an "oh shit" or "what the fuck" in there too, but i forget). I then glanced real quick while driving away and saw some guy (with another guy holding the door open) pointing a gun at the cashier's face. I grabbed my cellphone as soon as I saw that and called the Sheriff's Office. They asked if I could go back and safely get a description of their car. I told the dispatcher that I already had the description because I noticed before I even went to that store that a car was suspiciously parked at a closed store across the street with the car running and 2 other people inside. I didn't have a license plate # though, so the dispatcher asked if I could safely get that. I then made a u-turn and attempted to follow the car without being too obvious. I was stuck at a redlight and when I drove over the hill that they drove over, they were nowhere to be found. I told the dispatcher which way they went and they were immediately pulled over shortly down that road by the cops. It turns out that the store they were robbing was the second store that night/morning. Their were other witnesses there, such as the store clerks and other customers, but my gf and I were the only witnesses that had a description of the car and which way they went (which all led to the arrests). They found the gun, bandanas and all, so all of the evidence is there. The cashier's and other witnesses positively ID'ed them. We gave them written statements along with the other witnesses. When I found out that I'd have to go to court, I asked if their would be a reward...of course their isn't. I didn't do what I did and help the police out in case of a reward, but the whole going to court thing is a big hassle. Especially when I work nights/early mornings every day. It's no secret that I have to visit this store for part of my job requirement around the same time every morning and not that I'm afraid, but I don't need word getting out to all of these thugs that my gf & I are responsible for "narcing" on these guys and putting them in jail. Come to find out, it was an apparant gang initiation where they were told that if they could rob a store (or stores) and get away with it without hurting anyone, then they were in. Well, I guess they're not in :lol: . So why am I telling you this? 'Cause I was wondering if I had to go to court or not. The rumor is that if you don't go to court, they'll send a bench warrant out for you and you'll go to jail. I don't pretend to know shit that I don't know, so that's why I'm asking. What would happen if I didn't go to court? The police said that it's highly possible that my gf & I won't even have to testify because of all of the evidence should result in them pleading guilty, but who knows. I really can't see being put in jail for not wanting to go to court for something that could potentially put myself and my gf in danger. Not only that, but I don't want to take off of work and I probably can't take off of work to be able to go to court. I mean, work would have to let me off if the court told them, but that's not the case. I'll be off before the court opens, but I'll be just getting to sleep.

Anyways, I'll be calling my lawyer some time this week just to see what the actual law on this states.

Please note that I really don't need to hear the guaranteed few posters who will jump on me about it being my duty to go to court and blah blah blah. I'm a smart motherfucker and know what you're going to say, so stfu in advance...thanks ;) . Also, if I had to do it all over again, I'd do the same thing (if not more).

Oh yeah, noone was hurt.

ArthurDigbySellers
10-25-2005, 10:58 AM
I'm going to try to make this story as short as possible, though it'll probably end up being really long...either way, it could definitely be longer with all of the details.

Dude, you ruined my Sunday morning. If it wasn't for you and your meddling girlfriend, I could have been a member of the Sharks!

Z-Saber
10-25-2005, 11:01 AM
That's... a bit more exciting than my weekend.

Scorch
10-25-2005, 11:03 AM
Calling javery to thist post!

If you do have to go to court, i'd imagine that they would keep your identity secret by holding the thing at two different times.. I don't think they'll put you on the stand and do a Family Guy thing.. "Do you know this guy? I think he narc'ed on you. Here's his picture and his girlfriend's picture. You can have it, he accidentally wrote his schedule and list of fears on the back."

Admiral Ackbar
10-25-2005, 11:29 AM
See, I would be too oblivious to notice the robbery in rpogress. i would have probably just walked into the store and ended up yelling, "It's a trap!"

ValkyrieVF-1S
10-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Nice work on getting the description of the car. At least you helped stop these bastards from causing any more trouble, well for now at least.

chickenhawk
10-25-2005, 12:44 PM
I am not 100% sure, but I think they can force you to come to court and testify. In a case like this, I am not sure they would do that though.

Graystone
10-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Very nice. I have been an angry little fellow for the past few days don't know why just have been. My point is My gf would have been like their getting robbed oh really excuse me and I would have went in their and pulled some stuff I saw in "The History of Violence" movie.

munch
10-25-2005, 01:06 PM
I am not 100% sure, but I think they can force you to come to court and testify. In a case like this, I am not sure they would do that though.

I agree. It seems they have enough evidence to not warrant your attendance at court. Why don't you call the court house and ask them.

CheapyD
10-25-2005, 01:12 PM
I can't help but feel you should have done more.
Couldn't you have run into the store and distracted the robbers with your knowledge of the Weekly Ads?

"Far Cry is only $28.88 this week at Target!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

pimp tyranny
10-25-2005, 01:13 PM
i worked at subway for 8 months last year, and me and this dude larry worked together all the time. anyway, one night he was covering customers while i was restocking the chips and cleaning up. this weird looking squirrelly motherfuker walks in with his hat all low over his face, and i just passed him off as some reclusive weird guy. anyway, he orders his sub while i'm finishing the chips, and then i go to clean the bathrooms. pretty much i'm just standing around in the bathroom doing nothing because i'm a lazy ass, but then larry comes to the door all shocked. i'm like, what's the matter, man. and he says he was just held at gunpoint by that weird guy, and robbed when he opened the drawer to pay for the sub. anyway, it was kind of funny i was fuking off in the bathroom while he got robbed.

pimpinc333
10-25-2005, 01:14 PM
I can't help but feel you should have done more.
Couldn't you have run into the store and distracted the robbers with your knowledge of the Weekly Ads?

"Far Cry is only $28.88 this week at Target!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

LOL.

RedvsBlue
10-25-2005, 01:17 PM
I can't help but feel you should have done more.
Couldn't you have run into the store and distracted the robbers with your knowledge of the Weekly Ads?

"Far Cry is only $28.88 this week at Target!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Or that ******* won Cheapy's games!!!!!

javeryh
10-25-2005, 01:22 PM
Calling javery to thist post!

Anyone can be forced to court to testify in a criminal case. There are a few exceptions like they can't force your current spouse to testify against you and they can't force you to testify against yourself but in general the answer to your question is yes. They can issue a subpoena against you telling you when and where to show up and there's really no way out of it.

GuilewasNK
10-25-2005, 01:22 PM
If they tell you to go to court you have to go. Where did this happen?

Theenternal
10-25-2005, 01:31 PM
The same thing happened with me, being a witness to a car accident. They said i would at least get paid for my time. I got an hour of minimum wage :( and no compensation for my time to come over to the courthouse, find parking etc. I had to miss some time at my job to come do this, so my opportunity loss was much higher then the 5 dollars that i got :(.

doraemonkerpal
10-25-2005, 01:33 PM
do you happen to drive a van called the mystery machine?

http://www.monstersinmotion.us/ships/mysteryvanmini.jpg :D

The Successful Dropout
10-25-2005, 02:00 PM
Anyone can be forced to court to testify in a criminal case. There are a few exceptions like they can't force your current spouse to testify against you and they can't force you to testify against yourself but in general the answer to your question is yes. They can issue a subpoena against you telling you when and where to show up and there's really no way out of it.

what? are you a lawyer or something? ;)

seriously though, then this sucks

alonzomourning23
10-25-2005, 03:08 PM
My cousin got beat up by a gang once. He went to a party in another city. The attack had something to do with him not being from were the party was, I think there was another reason, such as he was talking to a particular person, but I can't remember. He had broken ribs and various other bones all over his body. He refused to testify though since he was afraid they'd come after him, which they had done to other people before. I think that was entirely his own choice legally, since he was the one attacked.

javeryh
10-25-2005, 03:22 PM
My cousin got beat up by a gang once. He went to a party in another city. The attack had something to do with him not being from were the party was, I think there was another reason, such as he was talking to a particular person, but I can't remember. He had broken ribs and various other bones all over his body. He refused to testify though since he was afraid they'd come after him, which they had done to other people before. I think that was entirely his own choice legally, since he was the one attacked.

Right. You cannot be compelled to testify for yourself. Any of his friends who were witnesses to the attack could be forced to though... There are ways around this kind of stuff though such as a sworn deposition (so you don't have to appear in court) if there are safety concerns or if a witness would be required to travel a very long way to get to court, etc.

Matt Young
10-25-2005, 03:48 PM
TSD- Not only bringing the ads, but bringing the justice as well.

woobacca
10-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Nice job TSD.
Calling javery to thist post!

If you do have to go to court, i'd imagine that they would keep your identity secret by holding the thing at two different times.. I don't think they'll put you on the stand and do a Family Guy thing.. "Do you know this guy? I think he narc'ed on you. Here's his picture and his girlfriend's picture. You can have it, he accidentally wrote his schedule and list of fears on the back."I hope that's true...

The Successful Dropout
10-25-2005, 04:11 PM
Right. You cannot be compelled to testify for yourself. Any of his friends who were witnesses to the attack could be forced to though... There are ways around this kind of stuff though such as a sworn deposition (so you don't have to appear in court) if there are safety concerns or if a witness would be required to travel a very long way to get to court, etc.

so what exactly is a sworn deposition? can that apply to my case or alonzo's friends case? i'm really not trying to go if i don't have to...i'd hate to say i'm scared, but the more and more i think about it, i should be...when people are fighting you more than one on one and with weapons, it should be something to be scared about

my brother told me to go to court and just say i don't recognize them...which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing....i don't regret doing what i did, i just don't want to be any more involved

javeryh
10-25-2005, 04:24 PM
so what exactly is a sworn deposition? can that apply to my case or alonzo's friends case? i'm really not trying to go if i don't have to...i'd hate to say i'm scared, but the more and more i think about it, i should be...when people are fighting you more than one on one and with weapons, it should be something to be scared about

my brother told me to go to court and just say i don't recognize them...which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing....i don't regret doing what i did, i just don't want to be any more involved

Basically, a sworn deposition is an interview you would give to the prosecutor with a court stenographer present to write down everything that is said. The defense attorney would then be allowed to cross examine you in an interview setting based on your testimony given to the prosecution (who can then reinterview you if he/she so chooses and the process repeats until one of the two says they are done). Your entire testimony would be read to the jury and that's it. It's worth a shot to request it to the prosecution when they contact you...

Don't listen to your brother. Don't go to court and lie on the stand - nothing good can come of it for you.

Duo_Maxwell
10-25-2005, 06:07 PM
Also, there's a few circumstances that may depend on the situation and the case. Other witnesses for example. My guess is the clerks and anyone inside the 2 stores would be primary witnesses before you. That's basically an assumption, but that would be my guess. Also, did they call you in to ID the guys involved at all? Or from the view you got could you even actually ID them positively? If you couldn't ID them, and depending on the strength of the evidence against them (if they pulled them over shortly after I'm sure they found the weapons and goods), they may not even need to call you as witness in court. Though like Javery mentioned you may have to give a deposition, but that is nothing major. I also wouldn't worry too much about them coming after you, while it has happened on rare occasions I guess, these guys aren't part of the Russian mafia or anything and that's mainly a TV/Movie fabrication.

javeryh
10-25-2005, 06:17 PM
Also, there's a few circumstances that may depend on the situation and the case. Other witnesses for example. My guess is the clerks and anyone inside the 2 stores would be primary witnesses before you. That's basically an assumption, but that would be my guess. Also, did they call you in to ID the guys involved at all? Or from the view you got could you even actually ID them positively? If you couldn't ID them, and depending on the strength of the evidence against them (if they pulled them over shortly after I'm sure they found the weapons and goods), they may not even need to call you as witness in court. Though like Javery mentioned you may have to give a deposition, but that is nothing major. I also wouldn't worry too much about them coming after you, while it has happened on rare occasions I guess, these guys aren't part of the Russian mafia or anything and that's mainly a TV/Movie fabrication.

Great points. His testimony probably won't even be needed other than perhaps to ID the car (that he followed and called 911 on) but that doesn't need to be done in court.