Buy 720P tv before getting Xbox 360

[Indiana]

I just found this article on gamespot... and wow 720P is way better than the 480P.

They provide examples on the Xbox 360 to show you the difference.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/index.html

[mEnTL32]

NICE find.

Now someone should show the guys at IGN who said "ah, 720p is not much different than 480p"

[Zoglog]

I thought people knew this already lol. I've said this many times. Thats why I say don't get a 360 until you get a damn HDTV. if you're gonna do it dont do it halfassed.

[Indiana]

Yes..but let's face it many people will be buying a 360 without HDTV. The pics have shown me to save my money for HDTV and get a 360 after that.

Now the problem is finding the best deal on a 720P or 1080P TV set.

[Zoglog]

well that's easy

http://cheapassgamer.pricegrabber.com/home_catpage.php/catzero=19

;). If you're a budget gamer CRT's are too bad. Also DLP rear projections are very affordable for thier sizes. Remember that everything has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

I personally prefer LCD for the space saving, high res, and high brightness.
However LCDs are the most expensive for the size.

CRTs are great if you dont need to use it as a monitor and have lots of room. They provide the best dark levels

[jkanownik]

Anyone know what I can expect from 1080i? My TV doesn't have 720p or 1080p.

[shipwreck]

Anyone know what I can expect from 1080i? My TV doesn't have 720p or 1080p.

The X360 automatically upscales 720p to 1080i, so you should experience stunning beauty from your X360.

[LinkinPrime]

The X360 automatically upscales 720p to 1080i, so you should experience stunning beauty from your X360.

Im still wondering about that feature. If 1080i looks better than 720p, then why doesnt everyone use the feature to upscale their games to 1080i?

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Isn't 720p better than 1080i?

[FFMooglestar]

Let's not turn this into a 720p vs 1080i thread. You can definitely research this more at other forums, hdtvarcade.com for example. But from what I understand, 720p looks better in motion, but for a still picture, 1080i looks better because of the higher resolution. Either way both resolutions offer a much better picture than 480p.

Also check this link out while comparing input modes:
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/paulgun/xbox/video/

edit: link to a thread at HDTVArcade about 1080i vs 720p
http://www.hdtvarcade.com/hdtvforum/viewtopic.php?t=2849

[psychobrawler]

Isn't 720p better than 1080i?

That's up for a lot of debate. 1080i projects more lines of data, but it's interlaced. 720p has fewer actual lines, but the progressive scanning basically doubles what our eyes perceive (in essence making it look like 1440 lines). 1080i has 1,080 lines of vertical resolution and 1,920 pixels across each line. 720p has 720 vertical lines with 1,280 pixels across each line. Bottem line is that most of us will see a definate difference between 480p and either HD mode, but probably couldn't tell a side-by-side 720p and 1080i image apart from one another.

[RedvsBlue]

Let's not turn this into a 720p vs 1080i thread. You can definitely research this more at other forums, hdtvarcade.com for example. But from what I understand, 720p looks better in motion, but for a still picture, 1080i looks better because of the higher resolution. Either way both resolutions offer a much better picture than 480p.

Also check this link out while comparing input modes:
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/paulgun/xbox/video/

Oh yeah, well 1080p rules them all!

[FFMooglestar]

Oh yeah, well 1080p rules them all!

haha, I'll definitely agree with you there!

[Zoglog]

woot I have 1080p =( but no 1080p console :( only 1080p I can get from is my PC but not many new games will run at 1080p on my PC haha

[Number83]

Bottom line it for me...What TV should I get? Samsung or Sony WEGA...and at what size?

[Indiana]

Im still wondering about that feature. If 1080i looks better than 720p, then why doesnt everyone use the feature to upscale their games to 1080i?

720P is better than 1080i... 720 lines refreshed every 1/60 of a second... versus 540 lines and then another 540 lines for 1/30 of a second.

[LinkinPrime]

720P is better than 1080i... 720 lines refreshed every 1/60 of a second... versus 540 lines and then another 540 lines for 1/30 of a second.

So bigger is not always better and "p" is better than "i" Thanks guys.

[dafoomie]

So bigger is not always better and "p" is better than "i" Thanks guys.
No...

FFMooglestar was right. 720p is better for things in motion, 1080i is better for still images or things that don't move a lot. One is not better than the other, they're just different.

[thagoat]

one is better than the other, for games especially. 720p is better than 1080i. like he said before, for each scan there are 780 lines of resolution produced for 780p. only 540 lines are produced for 1080i on each scan. thats a difference of 240 lines! besides, who uses there tv to watch still pictures only. lame!

[Zoglog]

gamestop fails.

The funniest part is how they used a picture of Component for thier VGA one.

I would like to see the VGA performance on a real HDTV not a crappy 4:3 monitor. The cable is 40 dollars tho so i'm gonna hold off.

[rxdoga]

720p is equal to 1080i motion or no motion. The motion benefits you get with 720p scan is off set by 1080i being a higher resolution and less noticeable. The higher a resolution the less noticeable flaws are.

[Maynard]

oh god, if you can tell the difference go apply for some science position on telling the difference ya tools lol :P When the game is running in 720p or 1080i no matter what your gonna think, man thank god i dont have SDTV

[bmulligan]

I still havent found a light gun that works on my HDTV.

1080 scan lines is still a greater resolution than 720 no matter how many times a second they are displayed. The flicker fusion threshold for the typical human eye is 16fps. Movies are projected at 24 fps (actually 48fps becuase each frame is displayed twice) and television is typically 30 fps and a typical television 'flickers' at 60 hz. Even SDTV viewers can't normally detect the 'flicker' of 240 scan lines being alternately displayed 60 times per second and the same goes for 1080. And some of you are forgetting that there are 100hz displays out there that make 1080i look even better (in motion) than standard 60hz.

Simply put, 1080i is better than 720p.

[howlinmad]

Any thoughts on this TV for the 360?

Samsung HLR4266W

[Zoglog]

not simply put, in fast motion you will still see more artifacting with 1080i.
You cannot consider any format superior. Quit arguing about it and quit debating about it. Because in the end they both look comparable and who gives a $#@$#@$#!%@.

[Link127]

howlinmad, this is what i have:

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?prod_id=HLP4663WX%252fXAA

i love it, my best investment yet.

btw, doesnt the 360 have an HDMI output...therefore an HDMI cable would be the best interconnect.

[FFMooglestar]

not simply put, in fast motion you will still see more artifacting with 1080i.
You cannot consider any format superior. Quit arguing about it and quit debating about it. Because in the end they both look comparable and who gives a $#@$#@$#!%@.

Seriously people, this site already has enough arguing from Sony fanboys against Microsoft fanboys, so we don't need to start with 720p fanboys and 1080i fanboys.

[Indiana]

720p is equal to 1080i motion or no motion. The motion benefits you get with 720p scan is off set by 1080i being a higher resolution and less noticeable. The higher a resolution the less noticeable flaws are.

No they are not equal..720p is progressive 60 frames a second. 1080i is interlaced 30 frames per second. They are different not the same!

You are trying to compare resolution versus Progressive it is not the same.

[savestheday888]

How's this one for a man with little money?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394446947&skuid=7023446&type=product&ref=10&loc=01

[dafoomie]

No they are not equal..720p is progressive 60 frames a second. 1080i is interlaced 30 frames per second. They are different not the same!

You are trying to compare resolution versus Progressive it is not the same.
They're different, but the point is, one is not simply better than the other, you have to consider what you're trying to display with it. At least, I think thats what he was trying to say, I can't really tell right now.

Also, 360 does not support HDMI or DVI, to whoever was asking. You'll have to use component cables. We could start another debate on which is better, but theres no benefit of using HDMI over component cables, unless your cables need to be very long, or your component cables aren't very good.

[dafoomie]

How's this one for a man with little money?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394446947&skuid=7023446&type=product&ref=10&loc=01
You can get a very similar TV from the Philips Outlet for $400 shipped, but its a refurb, and doesn't include the tuner. These 30 inch widescreen CRT's can be had for around $400 new at B&M's if you look hard enough for a deal.

[repetske]

In case anyone here gets an HDTV, my 720p recommendations are MVP Baseball and Xmen Legends. There are very few 1080i games, but I suppose I would recommend Enter the Matrix and Atari Collection or whatever it's called. Tempest looks awesome in 1080i!

[Indiana]

How's this one for a man with little money?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394446947&skuid=7023446&type=product&ref=10&loc=01

My opinion is that I would not buy Phillips. I have had too many problems with that company. I'm leaning toward Samsung for my next TV. Also look at the warranty it's only 90 days. Saumsung has a 1 year warranty.

[Santurio]

How's this one for a man with little money?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394446947&skuid=7023446&type=product&ref=10&loc=01
don't get that TV is sucks major balls. My friend bought it and it sucked, the picture was slightly doubled and it didn't represent colors very well. It was better than a regular TV but the double image thing was inexcusable. It looked fine in the store because of the way they had it connected but when you get a true HD signal it looks awful.

[psychobrawler]

My opinion is that I would not buy Phillips. I have had too many problems with that company. I'm leaning toward Samsung for my next TV. Also look at the warranty it's only 90 days. Saumsung has a 1 year warranty.

Agreed. Phillips/Magnovox=NO, Samsung = Yes.

[Deadpool]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007WCA4K/002-7025017-1863249?v=glance&n=172282&n=507846&s=electronics&v=glance

For a CAG

[Technique]

Bottom line it for me...What TV should I get? Samsung or Sony WEGA...and at what size?

I am looking at the http://www.epinions.com/pr-Sony_FD_Trinitron_WEGA_KV_30HS420__Standard_Televi sions?display=latest_prices&zip_submitted=1&zip=98177&%3D%22zip_submit%22.x=45&%3D%22zip_submit%22.y=6#wtb
right now. I have heard it is a really nice TV and it is on the cheap side.

[rvdrock]

I have a Philips widescreen 30' HDTV and it rocks, so I dont necessarily agree that Philips is bad...

[Maynard]

you'll never beat a sony crt. Those things are fucken tanks and a half, such deep colors too :drool:

[jkanownik]

1080i on my Sanyo 32" CRT is stunning. I spent 10 minutes just looking at the grass in Kameo.

[daschrier]

Don't buy toshiba crt's....toshibia outsourced the crt's to a korean company and the quality sucks. Go ask around on avsforum and you'll find out. That's why they're so cheap.

[Kayden]

you'll never beat a sony crt. Those things are fucken tanks and a half, such deep colors too :drool:

Actually, while the Sonys did look nice, the Samsungs BB had setup looked even better. Additionally, if you think about it, Microsoft is using the Samsungs for all their 360 displays. They have essentially unlimted funds and their goal is to make the 360 look as sweet as possible.

[Borat]

No question that there is a difference between 1080i and 720p....technically speaking. Problem is......i'm yet to actually SEE it. I feel most people will be happier than a fly on shit with either display.

[HeadRusch]

Its nearly impossible to tell the difference between 720p and 1080i, mostly because the two technologies aren't easy to compare.....and in general on a display thats smaller than 70" the two are so densely packed with pixels it would come down to freezing the screen and zooming in to see if some dumb object in a background is sharper in one or the other.

ie: Pointless.


People who claim one is better than the other are usually talking out of their asses, have never seen a real comparison, or wind up comparing a $4000 plasma to some craptacular RCA CRT set that cost like $800 bucks and going "SEE? DIGITAL RULES!".

A well tuned and high quality 1080i set will produce a stunning image that smokes anything but a plasma set. Which makes sense, since plasmas and CRTS share similar technologies. LCD's and DLP's are playing catchup..but of course...no BURN IN with those...thats why gamers love em.

People claim you see more artifacts with a 1080i display..I've watched sports on my 65" set and on my 480p LCD Projector...neither one looks better than the other, i see no artifacts (combing) at all at 65". People just read something online and then start to quite that like its mantra. Fact is, 1080i...720p..the result is: Stunning Picture.

Quote all the whitepapers you want.....sitting down in front of two comparibly performing devices, 1080i and 720p are virtually indistinguishable.

Jsut remember that only super high end CRT sets can actually resolve 1080i. Most sets that use 7" guns can't resolve 1080i....they just can't paint that small of a beam.....

Eventually CRT's will disappear, and so will 1080i...by then all the fixed pixel displays will be 1080p standard, upconverting the 1080i broadcasts sent out over the air or cable...