How can you live w/o a PS2? [Mobile/Archive]

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 10:43 AM

[EDIT: Some of you misunderstood my question. Of course I can live w/o games. Or TV. Or even electricity (points to Amish-americans). ----- ----- My point was: *As an avid gamer* how can you be satisfied with just a GameCube or just an Xbox, and miss out on all the great PS2 Exclusives?]

Space Channel 5*,Grandia 2*,Ecco*,rez*,Gran Turismo 3/4,Grand Theft Liberty City,SOCOM,Devil May Cry,Metal Gear Solid 2,Final Fantasy 10/12,Kingdom Hearts,Dragon Quest 8,Ratchet & Clank 1/2/3,Soul Calibur 3,Silent Hill 4,Virtua Fighter 4 - Evolution,Amplitude,Frequency,Sly Cooper 1/2/3,Xenosaga 1/2/3,Shadow of Colossus,Ico

Plus all the PS1 exclusives. Don't you feel "cut off" from all these great games? (just curious) I'm asking this 'cause I'm imagining to myself, "What if I didn't own a PS2?" The thought makes me shudder. I sold my Xbox. The Cube will be sold soon. But sell my PS2??? Ack. That would be like selling my Super Nintendo or Atari VCS. Not going to happen.

I can't imagine being a modern gamer & not owning a PS2.

*(Yes I know. But the Dreamcast is dead. Very few people own one, and the games are not sold in stores, so how can they play the DC versions??? It's dead like Atari Jaguar is dead. A failure. A flop. Forgetable. So for all *practical* purposes, these games are only available, in stores, for the PS2.)

Kayden

11-22-2005, 10:47 AM

I can live without any game system. Believe it or not, there is this thing called life thats filled with 'real' things you can derive enjoyment from.

uzumaki_star

11-22-2005, 11:07 AM

Electrictroy what you have to realize is that is the reason life is just what is ever changing. Now once PS3 comes out you will be saying the same thing. But you have to realize one thing that is the reason that we have competition so people that have different tastes can get something outside of just one system. So some my swing toward MS and others toward Nintendo so don't limit people just to one system.

jkam

11-22-2005, 11:45 AM

I understand where your'e coming from however I feel as if the PS2 was a letdown compared to the PS1. I have enjoyed games like Sly, ICO, Devil May Cry, and Metal Gear but for the most part I could still live without them. The PS2 load times bother the shit out of me and I prefer to play the 3rd party titles (that are made for it) on the Gamecube. I had POP for the PS2 and then swapped it for the GC version and it was like night and day. The non-existant load times gave me the push to play through the game.

I'm glad you also brought up the Dreamcast. After buying a dreamcast I've noticed how super quick and smooth 2D fighters load up and there is no lag in between rounds. Now the PS2 (which I realize is meant more for a 3D platform) still can't get Street Fighter II on a Capcom Classics disc to run without load times. As of right now I play my Dreamcast more than my PS2.

A lot of people complain about the gamecube controller but I also feel like no one gives it a chance. The Wavebird is (for me) the most comfortable controller I have ever held. The dual shock does have some advantages though like the dual sticks.

Actually now after reading through my post maybe I'm more upset about the crappy hardware rather than the game selection.

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 11:47 AM

Load times don't bother me because I watch TV while I'm gaming. If there's a 15 second load screen, then I just fill that gap with whatever's on the tv. (Also it's worth nothing that the Gamecube, while better-designed, does have some loading issues. Often while playing Metroid Prime, I find myself standing at a door... waiting.)

Also, some of you misunderstood my question. Of course I can live w/o games. Or TV. Or even electricity (points to Amish-americans). ----- ----- My point was: *As an avid gamer* how can you be satisfied with just a GameCube or just an Xbox, and miss out on all the great PS2 Exclusives?

Brak

11-22-2005, 11:52 AM

Easily. I got to a point where I didn't touch it for two years, started playing it again when I bought Katamari Damacy... then I just got fed up and traded it in.

battleroyal33

11-22-2005, 11:56 AM

Its not that hard really. I havent turned on my PS2 in quite some time, I still have yet to play God of War or RE 4 and I have been really looking forward to playing those games for some time now. I currently have just an Xbox and PS2, I purchased a Gamecube back in april for the sole purpose of playing re4 and the upcoming Zelda but never got around to purchaing RE4, I was waiting for a price drop, but ended up selling the cube 2 weeks ago because I was playing my KO 8bit nintendo system far more then the cube.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 12:23 PM

Funny how out of all of those games you listed, I only own 3...

Anyways, how can you live without an Xbox and all of its exclusives? Or how can you live without a Gamecube and all of its exclusives? Your argument is full of holes...PS2 Fanboy!

Kayden

11-22-2005, 12:23 PM

Wait... didn't you have an epiphany about how gaming was a waste of time? Or did your sister die? Theres so many of you people that post endless crap that it's getting hard to tell you all apart.

BustaUppa

11-22-2005, 12:24 PM

Space Channel 5*,Grandia 2*,Ecco*,rez*,Gran Turismo 3/4,Grand Theft Liberty City,SOCOM,Devil May Cry,Metal Gear Solid 2,Final Fantasy 10/12,Kingdom Hearts,Dragon Quest 8,Ratchet & Clank 1/2/3,Soul Calibur 3,Silent Hill 4,Virtua Fighter 4 - Evolution,Amplitude,Frequency,Sly Cooper 1/2/3,Xenosaga 1/2/3,Shadow of Colossus,IcoWow, I guess my copies of Metal Gear Solid 2 and Silent Hill 4 for XBOX must be pretty rare then!:shock:

I keed, I keed... :mrgreen:

Sorry, I couldn't resist. But anyway I assume you meant MGS 3 and Silent Hill 3. I see what you're saying... I know that, as a gamer, I couldn't get by on JUST a GameCube, even though I love it. Buying an XBOX has stolen a lot of the PS2's thunder for me personally, but there are still a number of exclusives that keep me coming back for more, along with all the PS1 stuff like you said. Plus I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay for an XBOX dvd kit when I have the PS2 sitting right there. :D

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 12:35 PM

Wait... didn't you have an epiphany about how gaming was a waste of time? Or did your sister die?Not me. And of course, that has no relevance to this topic.

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 12:39 PM

how can you live without an Xbox and all of its exclusives? Or how can you live without a Gamecube and all of its exclusives? And *your* argument is a Strawman Argument. I don't live without the Box or Cube. I've owned both & played all the Exclusives.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 12:47 PM

And *your* argument is a Strawman Argument. I don't live without the Box or Cube. I've owned both & played all the Exclusives.

A) Calling you a fanboy is not a strawman argument. It's an insult. Learn to differentiate between an insult and a logical fallacy. If the argument were something, like "It's obvious you can't live without a PS2 because you are a fanboy", then that would be a strawman argument.

B) Your argument is full of holes. In your world, one can't live unless they have the potential to play every game conceiveable. How can you live without X system and all of their exclusives? I know you don't own every single system, so pick one: Genesis, NES, SNES, N64, Saturn, 3D0, Jaguar, CD-i, etc.

Eastsidecracker

11-22-2005, 12:49 PM

All I want on it is socom3. Also note, whats GTA Liberty city?

Morrigan Lover

11-22-2005, 01:17 PM

electrictroy, are you seriously 12 years old?

Kayden

11-22-2005, 01:18 PM

So why'd you drop this Turd in the middle of the discussion?

Was I honestly supposed to expect people to notice one small turd in the overflowing pile of effluence that is the basis of the majority of your threads?

Eastsidecracker

11-22-2005, 01:45 PM

No, not Halo (which is actually a mediocre FPS).
Yes, mediocre to the millions that love it.....

Leading to my point that everyone has there own opinions. Mine, I prefer not to live with a ps2, you cant.

62t

11-22-2005, 01:52 PM

*(Yes I know. But the Dreamcast is dead. Very few people own one, and the games are not sold in stores, so how can they play the DC versions??? It's dead like Atari Jaguar is dead. A failure. A flop. Forgetable. So for all *practical* purposes, these games are only available, in stores, for the PS2.)
Lets see you can get a Dreamcast for about $15+ shipping. Plus please tell me what store I can go to and pick up ecco or rez. Most store are not carrying the PS2 version of those games either.

If you really want to make a point, list the NIS/Atlus games.

camoor

11-22-2005, 01:55 PM

I have to say that if I had another console, I'd be dying of curiousity about the PS2 games. Ico, Fantavision, Rez*, Culdcept, Bombastic, Katamari - these are fascinating and really weird games that you can't get on another console.

I must say that I'm curious about alot of the Gamecube games, such as Pimkin and Eternal Darkness - but it's not the blazing curiousity that I have about the odd but incredibly fun games that come out for the PS2. I also miss the excellent pick-up-and-play multiplayer that Nintendo always nails. But you know - I'll just pick up a Gamecube when I run out of PS2 games, and you can get it for real cheap.

As for Xbox - not my cup of tea. I'm really starting to tire of the run-of-the-mill FPS.

Amano

11-22-2005, 02:14 PM

I have a PS2, and about 50 RPGs to play for it, but I haven't touched it in a good while (and by far, my Sony collection dwarfs my other games for X platform). Why? Mario Kart DS and various other portable games have stolen my attention.

It's easy to completely ignore a systems' offerings even if there is some mild curiosity.

And that whole "How can you live without an Xbox/Cube"... thing... up there was merely an example (a rhetoric one at that from my perspective) and not to be taken literally word for word. Think objectively; not subjectively. We know you've played the poop out of other games on other systems. In other words, it's a matter of taste, money, and time.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 02:25 PM

I can not.

And I can not fathom how any could.

Then you can take your psychosis and expectations of us to follow suit elsewhere.

I realize I mixed up ad hominem and strawman, but replacing "playstation 2" with any console hardly constitutes a distortion of the argument, since you are in fact saying that you can't live witha system because of the exclusive titles, which begs the question: Are you just going on about how great the PS2 exclusives are, thus being a fanboy, or are you saying that you can't live without any system that has exclusive games, in which case you'd be O/C.

Either way, most people neither have the time or money to devote themselves to tons and tons of games. If one finds their niche and a collection of games they like, who are you to question their devotion?

Puffa469

11-22-2005, 02:47 PM

You dont have to fathom how someone can live without X system. Just realize that they can and theres nothing wrong with that.

There are all kinds of gamers. Not every gamer enjoys those titles you mentioned. Because the PS2 is the biggest in Japan, it has alot of quirky niche japanese games, and lots of RPG's too. But if your not a fan of those types of games, then the PS2 will hold no special allure for you.

If you love FPS's and Driving games, and more 'American' style games, then Xbox may be the system you couldnt live without. If you love NIntendo franchise character games then... well, you get the idea.

As we've all seen in a million flamewar threads everyone has their favorite console, and thats the one they could never live without. I personally could never live without either my Cube or my PS2. Yet I play my Xbox more than my Cube, so go figure.

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 06:44 PM

Are you just going on about how great the PS2 exclusives are, thus being a fanboy, or are you saying that you can't live without any system that has exclusive games, in which case you'd be O/C. "Do you beat your wife, thus making you a terrible husband, or have sex with your neighbor, in which case you're an adulter?" That's the question you just posed to me..... damned either way. And the answer is "no" to all four questions.

I suppose my point is - Xbox/Cube have no exclusives worth playing. I thought they were okay, but nothing you need to play. Oh I know "Halo sold millions" and "Zelda WW sold millions", but so too did Enter the Matrix & Britney's last CD. Am I supposed to believe Matrix/Britney are great, just because each sold millions? Is that your argument? Rather flimsy. Popularity is NOT the same as quality.

I can live w/o the Xbox (which is why I sold it).

I can live w/o the Cube (just as soon as I finish Symphonia - another sucky game).

I can not live w/o the PS2. Ico, Virtua Fighter 4, Soul Calibur 3, FF10, Kingdom Hearts, SOCOM, et cetera - see post 1 - too many good games to sell the console.

Which brings me full circle to my original post: "I can't be a current-gen gamer w/o a PS2 - how do you do it?"

BTW Mao, name-calling is not necessary. Learn to act like an adult, not a 5-yr-old. ----- ----- If you look around, you'll see I've said, several times, Sony will likely lose the next-gen battle. Would a Sony fanboy say that? Of course not. So not only is you name-calling immature - it's totally missed the mark.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 07:41 PM

Which brings me full circle to my original post: "I can't be a current-gen gamer w/o a PS2 - how do you do it?"

BTW Mao, name-calling is not necessary. Learn to act like an adult, not a 5-yr-old. ----- ----- If you look around, you'll see I've said, several times, Sony will likely lose the next-gen battle. Would a Sony fanboy say that? Of course not. So not only is you name-calling immature - it's totally missed the mark.

well, when you say that line up there, you're essentially insulting anyone who doesn't think the same way. So, you can go take your idiotic ideas elsewhere. Opinion is subjective and yours is by no way providence.

I can live w/o the Xbox (which is why I sold it).

I can live w/o the Cube (just as soon as I finish Symphonia - another sucky game).

I think you just answered your own questions. Not to mention, your opinions on games are not end-all be-all.

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 07:46 PM

well, when you say that line up there, you're essentially insulting anyone who doesn't think the same way. "I can't be a current-gen gamer w/o a PS2" is an insult??? Er, noooo. As you said, it's an opinion. That's all. If my expressing my opinion in an insult, then you need to develop a thicker skin. Learn some tolerance.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 07:52 PM

"I can't be a current-gen gamer w/o a PS2" is an insult??? Er, noooo. As you said, it's an opinion. That's all. If my expressing my opinion in an insult, then you need to develop a thicker skin. Learn some tolerance.

A) Saying "How do you do it" is more or less insulting. It's like saying: I can't live without XYZ expensive device, how do you peons do it?

B) You're the one saying: "BTW Mao, name-calling is not necessary." So which is it? Learn to deal with it or stop?

dracula

11-22-2005, 07:58 PM

i have a ps2 but havent played it this year(since about february.)

I is in storage, i really regret buying it since i never even play it, or any of the games i have for other systems.

11-22-2005, 08:05 PM

I got a GC first, and can't see how you can live without that. I got a PS2 a little over a year ago and have been enjoying that - and thanks to CAG I have a pile of unopened games for it. I have no interest in an Xbox (the few Xbox 'exclusives' that I've wanted to play I've been able to play on PC - Morrowind, KOTOR).

Right now my 3 kids are playing Super Smash Brothers. That's pretty much the only game they play together. I couldn't see not having the GC - but then again, I have 3 kids: ages 3, 6, and 9. And I haven't even opened Batallion Wars or Fire Emblem yet. I just finished Radiata and am playing DQ8 on the PS2 right now. I have yet to get around to playing most of the "must have" games you listed (though I own most of them!). I have too much new stuff to play to go back and play KH or FFX or R&C or Ico or any of those. So, I guess, based on that, I COULD live without the PS2, though I choose not to. No problem living without an Xbox though. I wouldn't even take a free one - just too many other games to play and not enough room on my gaming shelf in the family room for another system :D.

daroga

11-22-2005, 08:10 PM

PenguinMaster

11-22-2005, 08:12 PM

While I cannot live without my PS2 there a few problems with your argument.
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories is on PSP
Metal Gear Solid 2 & Silent Hill 4 are not exclusive (though Metal Gear Solid 3 & Silent Hill 3 are)

Plus you are missing some great exclusives: Jak Series, Getaway Series, Killzone, Socom 3, Ratchet: Deadlocked, Klonoa 2

11-22-2005, 08:12 PM

I get up and I go to school, go to work, do homework and play the never ending stream of games on my DS. Not too hard. Meanwhile, even my Xbox collects dust. I can't spread the dust out to thin over my house. The mites would be mighty angry with me.

Yes, I forgot to mention the DS - that is consuming much of my time as well :D, while my PSP collects dust.

Matt Young

11-22-2005, 08:19 PM

Eh, I was doing just fine without one til a few days ago. Xbox covered my online and multiplatform titles, and Nintendo had most of the exclsuives I wanted.

The main games I got a PS2 for were Smackdown and RPGs.

CapAmerica

11-22-2005, 08:24 PM

If it wasn't for Square I wouldn't own a PS2, I Only bought a PS2 for Square's games, If Square didn't make PS2 games I would be perfectly happy with just owneing a Xbox and GameCube.

paintballers

11-22-2005, 08:31 PM

Easy I live with a XBOX soon to be XBOX360

electrictroy

11-22-2005, 08:44 PM

A) Saying "How do you do it" is more or less insulting. It's like saying: I can't live without XYZ expensive device, how do you peons do it?" Another strawman argument - inserting words into my mouth I did not say.

Well, you're now on my ignore list. You've contributed nothing of value here, or anywhere else on this website.

Moxio

11-22-2005, 08:46 PM

I've survived.

whoknows

11-22-2005, 08:49 PM

I couldnt live without it. I have my GC for Resident Evil and HAD an xbox for ninja gaiden but sold it.

So, PS2 is what i play all my games on, it has the best exclusives easily IMO.

dafoomie

11-22-2005, 08:52 PM

The PS2 is fine, but I don't appriciate you trashing the Dreamcast. I know you Sony people like to pretend it never existed, but it was a great console with great games, whos life was tragically cut short by Sony's hype. Theres no need to compare it to the Jaguar.

kakomu

11-22-2005, 08:53 PM

Another strawman argument - inserting words into my mouth I did not say.

Well, you're now on my ignore list. You've contributed nothing of value here, or anywhere else on this website.

It's the implication of your whole sentence. I know you didn't say it explicitly, but you make it seem like anyone who doesn't own a PS2 isn't a true gamer, or whatever status you believe a PS2 imbues in the owner. I think you're an idiot.

elprincipe

11-22-2005, 09:08 PM

kakomu

11-22-2005, 09:35 PM

Living without a PS2 would be easy, just like until 2 years ago when I got mine it was easy. My PS2 is not anywhere near my most played system and it never will be. While it's worthy to own for a few games, the vast majority are crap anyway. I have about 15+ systems hooked up to one TV right now and PS2 is probably not in the top 10.

Do they make 15 input media switches? Or do you just have 4 4-port switches plugged into a 4-port switch into your TV? (effectively 16 different inputs).

Kaijufan

11-22-2005, 09:40 PM

Why don't you have the Katamari series on your list OP?
Besides Katamari, the only must have series on the PS2 for me is Kingdom Hearts.

Graystone

11-22-2005, 11:19 PM

Dreamcast few people own one, and the games are not sold in stores, so how can they play the DC versions??? It's dead like Atari Jaguar is dead. A failure. A flop.

blasphemy

Apossum

11-22-2005, 11:26 PM

after playing through 20 or so must have PS2 games I can say i'm pretty over it, besides Okami, which I'll play on my PS3 :-)

RelentlessRolento

11-23-2005, 12:14 AM

Well I can say that "how can you live without a PS2" is right if mainly applied to 3D Fighting games (no, SSBM does not count... its a platform brawler).

kakomu

11-23-2005, 12:23 AM

Well I can say that "how can you live without a PS2" is right if mainly applied to 3D Fighting games (no, SSBM does not count... its a platform brawler).

Besides Tekken, SC III and VF4 what else are must have 3D fighter games?

All three have SCII and Xbox has DOA.

daroga

11-23-2005, 12:53 AM

sblymnlcrymnl

11-23-2005, 12:53 AM

If it weren't for Taiko Drum Master and Guitar Hero I would have barely touched my ps2 in the last year.

zewone

11-23-2005, 12:58 AM

If it weren't for the fact that I can steal games by burning them on my PS2's harddrive I would have took a shit on it a long time ago.

jam3582

11-23-2005, 01:17 AM

my best friend only plays his gamecube . His ps2 is catching dust. I dont force him or make any suggestions I know why he prefers gamecube only
1) nintendo Fanboy ( he admits it )
2) Stubborn
3) Doesnt have much cash

I feel the ps2 is a great machine with great games. If you can afford the life style and have some time get all 3 I kno I do and all though I dont have much time to play I still enjoy each systems exlcusive games. I dont prefer one over the other I just dont like fanboys at all .

FriskyTanuki

11-23-2005, 01:26 AM

All of the PS2 exlusive games make me a happy gamer, and so do the GC and Xbox exclusives, at least of the ones I have. :D

elprincipe

11-23-2005, 01:32 AM

Do they make 15 input media switches? Or do you just have 4 4-port switches plugged into a 4-port switch into your TV? (effectively 16 different inputs).

Haha, I actually have five different switchboxes. It's pretty complicated and there are wires everywhere. I also use about 5-6 power strips (!). And that doesn't even count the TI-99/4A hooked to another TV! Yep I've got perhaps too much hooked up at once. I figure that with only a couple things on at any one time it isn't too much power to handle. You should see the amount of controllers!

Here's the set-up (it's on two big long shelves):

High shelf, left to right:
Sega Master System - Jaguar - CD-i - PS2 (actually the PS2 sits on top of the CD-i) - VCR - switchboxes (on top of VCR) - Colecovision (w/Atari VCS adapter) - TurboDuo

Low shelf, left to right:
Sega Genesis/CD/32X - Dreamcast - NES - GameCube (on top of the NES) - N64 - Saturn - SNES - Neo-Geo AES - Intellivision

So I guess that makes a total of 17 if you count the Sega CD and 32X as separate systems, or even 18 if you count the VCS adapter as a separate system. I unhooked my PS1 since I can just use the PS2 now. My TI is hooked to another TV, as I said, and my Vectrex is on my desk :)

Amano

11-23-2005, 01:41 AM

It's the implication of your whole sentence. I know you didn't say it explicitly, but you make it seem like anyone who doesn't own a PS2 isn't a true gamer, or whatever status you believe a PS2 imbues in the owner. I think you're an idiot.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that could see the underlying implication of such a statement. While I don't much care for what could have been such trite misunderstandings, to keep denying that other people can enjoy gaming in this current generation, be gamers, and not have a PS2 sounds more disrespectful of others tastes and circumstances, which is silly to me. Plenty of people have spoken up about their tastes, circumstances, and such to demonstrate that, in fact, gamers can live without Sony's Almighty.

As for the Dreamcast being sneak-attacked with verbal bombing when it has absolutely no reason to be, boo to you. But that's just my opinion.

kakomu

11-23-2005, 01:42 AM

Haha, I actually have five different switchboxes. It's pretty complicated and there are wires everywhere. I also use about 5-6 power strips (!). And that doesn't even count the TI-99/4A hooked to another TV! Yep I've got perhaps too much hooked up at once. I figure that with only a couple things on at any one time it isn't too much power to handle. You should see the amount of controllers!

Here's the set-up (it's on two big long shelves):

High shelf, left to right:
Sega Master System - Jaguar - CD-i - PS2 (actually the PS2 sits on top of the CD-i) - VCR - switchboxes (on top of VCR) - Colecovision (w/Atari VCS adapter) - TurboDuo

Low shelf, left to right:
Sega Genesis/CD/32X - Dreamcast - NES - GameCube (on top of the NES) - N64 - Saturn - SNES - Neo-Geo AES - Intellivision

So I guess that makes a total of 17 if you count the Sega CD and 32X as separate systems, or even 18 if you count the VCS adapter as a separate system. I unhooked my PS1 since I can just use the PS2 now. My TI is hooked to another TV, as I said, and my Vectrex is on my desk :)

Egad. My living room only has 3 things hooked up to the TV, and it's still a lot to me: Media Computer, PS2 and Dreamcast. Of course, my living room is rather small and my shelving unit is 3 pieces of 2'x3' particle board with 6 cinder blocks between them. However, I've not many other systems to actually use. The genesis is in my closet and I've since sold my Sega CD and Saturn a long time ago for games/systems I'd actually play (such as my GBA).

electrictroy

11-23-2005, 12:33 PM

to keep denying that other people can enjoy gaming in this current generation, be gamers, and not have a PS2 sounds more disrespectful of others tastes and circumstances, I never said that. Never implied that Cube-only or Xbox-only owners were not "true gamers". I never said that. It's ill-mannered to put words into other people's mouths that they did not say. Please lay off the strawman arguments.

And as for Dreamcast:
PS2 = 80 million sold worldwide
Xbox = Cube = essentially tied at 20 million
DC = 5 million

The DC is a sales flop at only 5% of the market.. Like the Atari Jaguar, 7800, and SMS before it. You may personally like the DC, but from a business point-of-view it failed.

jkam

11-23-2005, 01:11 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why is the Dreamcast getting pulled into this? The Dreamcast was incomparably better than the PS2. Better games, better visuals, better controller (well, no, but as long as I'm on a fanboy-esque rant here ;) ). Just because Sega kinda dropped the ball on the Sega CD/32X/Saturn and lost a lot of game developer / consumer support doesn't mean they didn't nail it right on the head with the Dreamcast. If you're at all a fan of Capcom games, you can't go wrong with the Dreamcast. The best versions of the Marvel vs. Capcoms, Cannon Spike, oh, and a little series you may know as Power Stone. Back off with the Dreamcast bashing.

I Agree 100%

I never said that. Never implied that Cube-only or Xbox-only owners were not "true gamers". I never said that. It's ill-mannered to put words into other people's mouths that they did not say. Please lay off the strawman arguments.

And as for Dreamcast:
PS2 = 80 million sold worldwide
Xbox = Cube = essentially tied at 20 million
DC = 5 million

The DC is a sales flop at only 5% of the market.. Like the Atari Jaguar, 7800, and SMS before it. You may personally like the DC, but from a business point-of-view it failed.

Even though the DC didn't sell well it doesn't mean it stands anywhere near the jaguar, the 7800, or the SMS in terms of a gaming console. I bought one about a year ago and I play it probably more than my cube and PS2 and this point. More than anything the Dreamcast was ahead of its time. Like mentioned Sega was coming off some rough times with the 32x, and the Saturn. If you compare the dreamcast to current consoles there really isn't a whole lot of difference. It even does some things better or did them better. Online, Disc based drive, controller port lightgun, keyboard support so on and so forth. Not to mention that you could actually go online and view webpages with the included CD....things that Sony always promises but never delivers on. Then again we weren't suppose to be talking sales anyway its all about the PS2 exclusives. :) Sorry for the rant but the Dreamcast is the the best way to spend $15-$25 if your'e a gamer.

kakomu

11-23-2005, 01:43 PM

I never said that. Never implied that Cube-only or Xbox-only owners were not "true gamers". I never said that. It's ill-mannered to put words into other people's mouths that they did not say. Please lay off the strawman arguments.

Oh, but the implication is there and two people caught it.

However, if you must stridently say that, what exactly DO you think of gamers who don't own a PS2, can live without it and the exclusives and have an Xbox or Gamecube that they play a lot?

RelentlessRolento

11-23-2005, 03:47 PM

Besides Tekken, SC III and VF4 what else are must have 3D fighter games?

All three have SCII and Xbox has DOA.

you forgot to mention all the PS1 games as well as Fighter Maker 2 (yes, crap, but it's something).

elprincipe

11-24-2005, 02:20 AM

The DC is a sales flop at only 5% of the market.. Like the Atari Jaguar, 7800, and SMS before it. You may personally like the DC, but from a business point-of-view it failed.

You're assuming that we care about the business point of view. As someone who plays games, I couldn't give two shits about a system succeeding or failing business-wise. I only see good games or no good games, nice easy to use hardware and comfortable controllers or the other way around. This is why, for me, DC>PS2. Jet Grind Radio, for example, while not selling nearly as much as tons of PS2 games, still is a better game than any PS2 game.