Newbie Flaming

[karmapolice]

I dont understand why people insist on flaming newbie's for no reason. Almost every other thread I go into, it somehow has turned into a noob flame war. We were all noobs once and I dont understand how the boards have become like this.

I remember when I first joined, some of you may remember, I started a thread about GBA Roms. I had no idea that this was not allowed to be discussed (I believe we didnt have the FAQ yet). Everyone that posted gave me a polite response along the lines of: "Roms arent allowed to be discussed on here, in the future please dont post about them". All rather polite and informative responses, no flaming. I sent a formal appology PM to Cheapy and all was well.

I dont understand why the boards have become filled with hate and flaming. I know there was always been flaming but it wasnt always to noobs. It was usually to some dumbass like cloudspek. Sorry for the rant, but I just dont think its right that people are always flaming noobs for not knowing what we know, but we've been here alot longer too. I know we have the Faqs, but I dont think every noob knows about them.

I just thought I would voice my opinion on the matter. I would love to see how many others agree with me on this issue.

/end rant.

~Karma

[SpottedNigel]

It's Flaming, not flamming :)

And i agree for the most part, but after being here a few years it becomes cyclical. I just try and actually help the eprson while reasonably explaining what they did wrong (if anything at all)

[karmapolice]

Sorry... I just woke up. I dont know how I mispelled it EVERY time. Someone tell me if I missed one.

It does seem like every so often it starts up again. Maybe its like forum PMS(not to insult the 5 girls we have). It always seems to be a selection of people aswell.

[crazytalkx]

Only bad newbie experience I had was getting told by Punqsux to get the hell off of cheapassgamer noob when I said "the website's getting worse" (I posted this in a thread about GameFAQs)

[Noodle Pirate!]

Because it makes their epenis grow if they can make others feel like crap.
I also can't stand the" Ive been here longer then you and I have a larger post count so your a loser" mentality. Which is why the ignore feature is so great.
In most cases I prefer newbies because they don't have the same superiority complexes that many of the "vet" posters here do.

[thagoat]

oh, karma. you sensitive bastard, you. think of it as his initiation. he goes through hell for a week and then its all good.

[jmcc]

oh, karma. you sensitive bastard, you. think of it as his initiation. he goes through hell for a week and then its all good.
Yeah, so the site can be just like a frat. That's a good idea, because fraternities are brilliant places, they are.

[karmapolice]

Yeah, so the site can be just like a frat. That's a good idea, because fraternities are brilliant places, they are.

Thats exactly what I thought of that post. Fraternities are stupid, and I dont think that most people on CAG would want to be in one, let alone one on a fucking video game forum!

edit- I dont remember when it was anounced that sensitivity was a bad thing... Im not that sensitive its just I know it doesnt feel to great and doesnt really make you want to return when you ask a question and get yelled at because your new.

How would it make you feel if you went to a new school as a kid and when you asked your new teacher a question all they did was say "Your a noob! You're sooo stupid! OMG!"

[Moxio]

Agreed. I just took a look at the XBOX 360 forum and saw this thread.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75594

You guys are fucking jokes. It was a question. A Yes or No question. And somehow the pricks turned it into a fucking joke.

[woobacca]

I think the flaming is mostly directed at newbies that go out of their way to introduce themselves by creating a "welcome, me!" type thread. To some old timers, calling such attention to yourself when you're brand new to a message board comes across as slightly arrogant. When I was a newb, I laid low for a while, respected the board by reading the FAQs and getting a feel for the culture and unspoken rules. I posted comments on topics that interested me, but I didn't create my own first thread until after I had gotten a feel for the board.

I'm sure newbs that do create introductory threads are just doing so out of friendliness. I don't condone the flaming; I'm just taking a guess at why it bothers some people.

[karmapolice]

Agreed. I just took a look at the XBOX 360 forum and saw this thread.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75594

You guys are fucking jokes. It was a question. A Yes or No question. And somehow the pricks turned it into a fucking joke.

Thats the thread that started this rant.

[woobacca]

Agreed. I just took a look at the XBOX 360 forum and saw this thread.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75594

You guys are fucking jokes. It was a question. A Yes or No question. And somehow the pricks turned it into a fucking joke.
Well that blows my theory out of the water

[Moxio]

Thats the thread that started this rant.

I do agree with you 100%. This is... just really "GameFAQs-y", guys. Why do you need to flame potential active members and scare them away? This forum will die without circulating members, so hiding in your hole and jumping out fo rip off noob flesh won't help keep this forum in good shape. It'll only get worse.

[karmapolice]

woobacca, if you had posted that theory a year ago, you would have been spot on. Now it has become that just being a noob gets you flamed no matter what you say or ask. Its rediculus.

[woobacca]

woobacca, if you had posted that theory a year ago, you would have been spot on. Now it has become that just being a noob gets you flamed no matter what you say or ask. Its rediculus.
I think you're right. Pretty sad actually.

[jlarlee]

Some people like to feel surperior to others. And if it's because you have been on a web site longer than someone thats a pretty sad thing to pump yourself up with. I only get mad if a new person keeps making the same mistake after being corrected

[Moxio]

Some people like to feel surperior to others. And if it's because you have been on a web site longer than someone thats a pretty sad thing to pump yourself up with. I only get mad if a new person keeps making the same mistake after being corrected

Yes that simply comes as the difference between honest mistake and complete ignorance.

However, CAG is full of trolls. More than we think.

[karmapolice]

Not to point fingers or anything, but lately ive been seeing one person that hasnt made one helpful or nice post. I think that not just the cloudspek's of these forums should be banned but also the non-helpful trolls. Now, some trolls are funny and we tolerate because we all have a suspicion they arent "all there" if you know what I mean.

[crazytalkx]

Just read the Xbox 360 thread put up, way to respect newbies thagoat :roll:

[corrosivefrost]

Thats exactly what I thought of that post. Fraternities are stupid, and I dont think that most people on CAG would want to be in one, let alone one on a fucking video game forum!


Wait a tic.

You're all in favor of not flaming people for being new, but you're cool with bashing things based on your seemingly stereotypical view of them? Seems a little hypocritical to me.

I know there are at least a few people on this board who belonged to fraternities when they were in college. And while I happen to be a member of a fraternity, regardless of my membership status, I would still take offense to these comments.

I mean, I just don't get it. What's next? Bashing people based on their religions or hobbies?

[karmapolice]

Wait a tic.

You're all in favor of not flaming people for being new, but you're cool with bashing things based on your seemingly stereotypical view of them? Seems a little hypocritical to me.

I know there are at least a few people on this board who belonged to fraternities when they were in college. And while I happen to be a member of a fraternity, regardless of my membership status, I would still take offense to these comments.

I mean, I just don't get it. What's next? Bashing people based on their religions or hobbies?

I dont really have a problem with a fraternity. It's the attitudes I tend to see from their members and how you typically have to get it.

[CheapyMom]

I agree with the OP and have often wondered how many people who would have been assets to the community got turned off and figuratively walked away from CAG after being on the receiving end of such negativity and often just real stupidity.

Personally, I think we should have a e-welcome wagon program (is anyone beside me old enough to know what a welcome wagon is?) for first posters or something to counteract the flaming because I don't think it can be eliminated.

(Note: I'm the only newbie posting in this thread so don't pick on me....)

[masha]

oh, karma. you sensitive bastard, you. think of it as his initiation. he goes through hell for a week and then its all good.


I remember my initiation. I created a trading thread for future trades. I wanted it clean with no replies and asked (POLITELY) "Please do not post here" in the title. ..oh boy!..It was on top of the trading forum for a long time. MotherF||ckers :lol:

[Moxio]

Well we can all agree there are some members who generally aren't any help to the CAG society. The problem is what can we do about this to prevent further despicable welcomes?

[jmcc]

Wait a tic.

You're all in favor of not flaming people for being new, but you're cool with bashing things based on your seemingly stereotypical view of them? Seems a little hypocritical to me.

I know there are at least a few people on this board who belonged to fraternities when they were in college. And while I happen to be a member of a fraternity, regardless of my membership status, I would still take offense to these comments.

I mean, I just don't get it. What's next? Bashing people based on their religions or hobbies?
Did you have an initiation period to get into your frat or not?

[karmapolice]

I remember my initiation. I created a trading thread for future trades. I wanted it clean with no replies and asked (POLITELY) "Please do not post here" in the title. ..oh boy!..It was on top of the trading forum for a long time. MotherF||ckers :lol:

I remember that thread. I never understood how or why that happened.

[karmapolice]

I think we should figure out some way to welcome noobs, have a list of trolls for them to watch out for and ignore if need-be. The trolls know who they are and I dont really think it would hurt their feelings to be called as such.

[Moxio]

I think we should figure out some way to welcome noobs, have a list of trolls for them to watch out for and ignore if need-be. The trolls know who they are and I dont really think it would hurt their feelings to be called as such.

Well if they can dish the pain and can't take it, fuck them. Trolls are trolls, and it would help a new member to know who and what to avoid.

The Newbie Welcome thread, though, should go. It's just a joke to the OP and its posters, and doesn't really have any respect at all to the new members. The general attitude is, "Hey we don't really care you're new but just post here so we don't have to deal with it."

[karmapolice]

Well if they can dish the pain and can't take it, fuck them. Trolls are trolls, and it would help a new member to know who and what to avoid.

The Newbie Welcome thread, though, should go. It's just a joke to the OP and its posters, and doesn't really have any respect at all to the new members. The general attitude is, "Hey we don't really care you're new but just post here so we don't have to deal with it."

I was thinking more along the lines of an automated PM to new members that would welcome them and have a link to the Faqs, Troll list, Moderater list, and whatever else would help.

[jlarlee]

Wait a tic.


I know there are at least a few people on this board who belonged to fraternities when they were in college. And while I happen to be a member of a fraternity, regardless of my membership status, I would still take offense to these comments.

I mean, I just don't get it. What's next? Bashing people based on their religions or hobbies?

A gay muslim frat who specialized in stamp collecting would not be treated well here

[Moxio]

I was thinking more along the lines of an automated PM to new members that would welcome them and have a link to the Faqs, Troll list, Moderater list, and whatever else would help.

That's a very good idea! :D

For potential traders, we could include the Tradelist guidelines (the Trading area is an easy place to screw up relations).


There's plenty of FAQs, but it's apparenty barely anyone reads them. Perhaps if they were concentrated in one PM they'd take the time to read it

[corrosivefrost]

Did you have an initiation period to get into your frat or not?

Yes, my fraternity had a pledge program.

AFAIK, just about all fraternities and sororities have an "initiation period" associated with joining, with the possible exception of some service/honor organizations.

My fraternity membership does not imply that I believe new CAGs go through an "initiation period". Nobody should be flamed for asking for help, no matter how "valid" you determine the quesiton to be -- I'm appalled at what the OP of the aforementioned thread had to deal with for asking for advice from other and potentially more experienced CAGs.

[corrosivefrost]

I was thinking more along the lines of an automated PM to new members that would welcome them and have a link to the Faqs, Troll list, Moderater list, and whatever else would help.

This is a great idea.

Perhaps you could PM Cheapy, one of the mods, or technical advisors to see if this could be easily implemented?

[karmapolice]

I just PM'd Cheapy asking him to please read the thread and consider my idea.

[magforce x]

Yes, my fraternity had a pledge program.

AFAIK, just about all fraternities and sororities have an "initiation period" associated with joining, with the possible exception of some service/honor organizations.

My fraternity membership does not imply that I believe new CAGs go through an "initiation period". Nobody should be flamed for asking for help, no matter how "valid" you determine the quesiton to be -- I'm appalled at what the OP of the aforementioned thread had to deal with for asking for advice from other and potentially more experienced CAGs.


I agree with you 100%. Trolls that insist on flaming leave a bad taste in your mouth that reflects on the whole CAG community. If it were up to me, these guys would be temporarily banned. Most of us have a life and don't need to spend our free time bashing people.

[SpottedNigel]

....I think a lot of it has to be with the whole free-form internet thing...like how a thread about flaming noobs becomes a thread about the validity of fraternaties.

Some people unfortunately just go directly for the asshole response, and do NOTHING for this site (evanft...the only person on my ignore list fits the bill IMO). Smart ass replies along with help are fine though...a good laugh along with good info helps everybody

[WhipSmartBanky]

At the bottom of every post there's this little thing called a "Report Bad Post" button. It looks like this:

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/disturbed/buttons/report.gif

If you see excessive flaming and you feel it's strongly out of line with the forum rules, report it.

[SpottedNigel]

Troll List- The slight problem with that is that it really is an opinion though. Some people i'd love to throw on thier for being dicks, but might get along with other people.

[b0bx13]

Thats exactly what I thought of that post. Fraternities are stupid, and I dont think that most people on CAG would want to be in one, let alone one on a fucking video game forum!
I'm in a fraternity. Doesn't that make you just as insensitive as the "noob-flamers?"

[Moxio]

At the bottom of every post there's this little thing called a "Report Bad Post" button. It looks like this:

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/disturbed/buttons/report.gif

If you see excessive flaming and you feel it's strongly out of line with the forum rules, report it.

While that's true, apparently it doesn't seem to be working if this is being seen so often.

[jmcc]

Yes, my fraternity had a pledge program.

AFAIK, just about all fraternities and sororities have an "initiation period" associated with joining, with the possible exception of some service/honor organizations.

My fraternity membership does not imply that I believe new CAGs go through an "initiation period". Nobody should be flamed for asking for help, no matter how "valid" you determine the quesiton to be -- I'm appalled at what the OP of the aforementioned thread had to deal with for asking for advice from other and potentially more experienced CAGs.
And what activities were entailed in the pledge period?

[masha]

At the bottom of every post there's this little thing called a "Report Bad Post" button. It looks like this:

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/disturbed/buttons/report.gif

If you see excessive flaming and you feel it's strongly out of line with the forum rules, report it.


I know one girl who used this button alot :rofl:

[thagoat]

Thats exactly what I thought of that post. Fraternities are stupid, and I dont think that most people on CAG would want to be in one, let alone one on a fucking video game forum!

edit- I dont remember when it was anounced that sensitivity was a bad thing... Im not that sensitive its just I know it doesnt feel to great and doesnt really make you want to return when you ask a question and get yelled at because your new.

How would it make you feel if you went to a new school as a kid and when you asked your new teacher a question all they did was say "Your a noob! You're sooo stupid! OMG!"
i never said it was bad. thats your oversensitive side telling you that, you bastard. plus i get called a noob about 1 thousand times a day online and elsewhere. guess what, i could care less. if the world would let the stupid shit roll off of its shoulder, it would be a better place.

[karmapolice]

I'm in a fraternity. Doesn't that make you just as insensitive as the "noob-flamers?"

I voiced my opinion... I never said anyone esle was stupid for being in one. I said that I thought most people on CAG wouldnt want to be in one. That is again my opinion. If you think differently then I applaud you. The fact remains I unsulted no one, and merely said what I thought. Can we stay on topic please?

[jmcc]

i never said it was bad. thats your oversensitive side telling you that, you bastard. plus i get called a noob about 1 thousand times a day online and elsewhere. guess what, i could care less. if the world would let the stupid shit roll off of its shoulder, it would be a better place.
You know what would be even better? A world without stupid shit.

[karmapolice]

i never said it was bad. thats your oversensitive side telling you that, you bastard. plus i get called a noob about 1 thousand times a day online and elsewhere. guess what, i could care less. if the world would let the stupid shit roll off of its shoulder, it would be a better place.

I wouldnt find it a problem if you said it once... Throughout that thread you kept on bashing him for no reason. You kept trying to start a flame war. This is a community a family of sorts, we try to help each other. We dont want to bash each other for no reason when someone asks for help.

[thagoat]

I voiced my opinion... I never said anyone esle was stupid for being in one. I said that I thought most people on CAG wouldnt want to be in one. That is again my opinion. If you think differently then I applaud you. The fact remains I unsulted no one, and merely said what I thought. Can we stay on topic please?
no, clearly he is insulted.

[Graystone]

Because it makes their epenis grow if they can make others feel like crap.
:rofl:

[karmapolice]

I love how I started a thread on the problems of flaming and bashing, and its become a battle of whether or not fraternaties are ok, and if the troll can get the last word.

[DuelLadyS]

I think, as the world continues to become totally "wired", 2 things happen:

1) Asses who spent the last 15-20 years of their lives holed up in their parents basement suddenly have an anonymus outlet for their hatred of society.

2) The idea of 'netiquette' changes rapidly with the influx of new users, resulting in varied opinions of what's OK and what's not.

End result: Anytime anyone does something that might regarded as 'wrong', they make themselves a target for very jerk who had a bad day or hasn't gotten laid in awhile. (In the case of the thread-in-question, it might be considered 'wrong' to ask about 260 availibity when there are so many 360 threads now.)

A regular user knows how to combat a jerk- we ingore them, make a joke of what they said, whatever. A new user doesn't and (normally justifably) takes it personally and argues.

.... I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this...

... in any case, I'm all for an automated PM welcoming/explaining things for new members. If we make it clear from the start what is acceptable and what isn't, then we know for sure which new members are ignoring the rules, and therefore worthy of getting stepped on by every troll we have.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have leftover Thanksgiving chocolate pie to eat. Mmmm, pie... :drool:

[jmcc]

I love how I started a thread on the problems of flaming and bashing, and its become a battle of whether or not fraternaties are ok, and if the troll can get the last word.
I'll settle it: the point about frats was that they had hazing periods. The opinion that they're full of dumb frat-boys is entirely incidental to the point that applies here. If you were in a frat and don't like being called dumb, rebutt my point with some stats showing that fraternities have lower levels of drinking than college on average and/or higher grades.

[CheapyMom]

I think we should figure out some way to welcome noobs, have a list of trolls for them to watch out for and ignore if need-be. The trolls know who they are and I dont really think it would hurt their feelings to be called as such.

I like that idea- I think it's a pretty good approximation of the e-version of the Welcome Wagon I was referring to. I don't know about naming names but even just acknowledging that some members can be jerks and don't represent the majority of the community I'm sure would be appreciated.

[SpottedNigel]

We should also have a list of "big-brothers" people to look for (yeah, mostly mods) if they have questions or concerns.

[priest_ridden]

Just thought I'd chime in on the topic.
Something that might be nice for the new users, would be a newbie section in the forums.
In there people could create the "Hi I'm new here thread..." and ideally those who want to welcome them could and everyone else could ignore them. Additionally, some stickies about site rules, guides, etc could be provided.
Combine the PM with this and I would think you could have a nice way of welcoming people to the site.

[karmapolice]

We should also have a list of "big-brothers" people to look for (yeah, mostly mods) if they have questions or concerns.

Thats a really good idea too. We should def. have a list of people that like to help people out and are willing to give help to whoever asks. I know alot of people that when I was a noob helped me out. They told me where to find info on certain things, and what to do and not to do. Punqsux was one of the people who helped me out when I first got here.

[karmapolice]

Just thought I'd chime in on the topic.
Something that might be nice for the new users, would be a newbie section in the forums.
In there people could create the "Hi I'm new here thread..." and ideally those who want to welcome them could and everyone else could ignore them. Additionally, some stickies about site rules, guides, etc could be provided.
Combine the PM with this and I would think you could have a nice way of welcoming people to the site.

If I remember, we used to havea thread like that? It doesnt work... people troll on it and flame the new users. It doesnt matter how we would set up the thread. I think the best way is the PM and additional Faq threads linked in the PM.

[Hex]

I remember my initiation. I created a trading thread for future trades. I wanted it clean with no replies and asked (POLITELY) "Please do not post here" in the title. ..oh boy!..It was on top of the trading forum for a long time. MotherF||ckers :lol:

My hazing was creating an OTT back in July. ;)

[Mr.Answer]

I like that idea- I think it's a pretty good approximation of the e-version of the Welcome Wagon I was referring to. I don't know about naming names but even just acknowledging that some members can be jerks and don't represent the majority of the community I'm sure would be appreciated.

Instead of a list perhaps Cheapy and the mods could replace the ranking/custom ranking with an official jerk/troll listing.

[b0bx13]

I'll settle it: the point about frats was that they had hazing periods. The opinion that they're full of dumb frat-boys is entirely incidental to the point that applies here. If you were in a frat and don't like being called dumb, rebutt my point with some stats showing that fraternities have lower levels of drinking than college on average and/or higher grades.
I can't say anything about drinking rate, as I know no way of putting a number on that (though I don't drink at all). As for grades: http://gradeinflation.com/
Average public college GPA: 2.97
Last semester average GPA at my chapter: 3.21

[Quillion]

I agree with the OP and have often wondered how many people who would have been assets to the community got turned off and figuratively walked away from CAG after being on the receiving end of such negativity and often just real stupidity.

Personally, I think we should have a e-welcome wagon program (is anyone beside me old enough to know what a welcome wagon is?) for first posters or something to counteract the flaming because I don't think it can be eliminated.

(Note: I'm the only newbie posting in this thread so don't pick on me....)

I'm old enough to remember, I'm just not sure what form a welcome wagon on CAG would take.

I can think of a few people the forum may be "better" without. However, as "better" is a subjective term, the only thing that I know with certainty is that CAG would be different, and I wouldn't change CAG for the world.

That includes "stupid newbie" threads.

[woobacca]

Just thought I'd chime in on the topic.
Something that might be nice for the new users, would be a newbie section in the forums.
In there people could create the "Hi I'm new here thread..." and ideally those who want to welcome them could and everyone else could ignore them. Additionally, some stickies about site rules, guides, etc could be provided.
Combine the PM with this and I would think you could have a nice way of welcoming people to the site.
Actually that may not be a bad idea. If Cheapy creates a new "Welcome" section and makes it clear that trolling in there is bad, I think it could work.

[jmcc]

I can't say anything about drinking rate, as I know no way of putting a number on that (though I don't drink at all). As for grades: http://gradeinflation.com/
Average public college GPA: 2.97
Last semester average GPA at my chapter: 3.21
I don't see anything about fraternities in that link. What am I looking for? And google for "fraternities binge drinking" for some numbers. I'm not paging through them all, as it's not my argument to make, but a choice quote from one was: "The strongest predictor for binge drinking was living in a sorority or fraternity house. Eighty percent (80%) of sorority women and 86% of fraternity men living in Greek housing qualified as binge drinkers."

edit: or "Fraternity house residents are twice as likely as other students to indulge in binge drinking, according to the Harvard School of Public Health's 2001 College Alcohol Study."

[karmapolice]

I will let you guys know what Cheapy says once I get a PM back from him.

[depascal22]

Hey guys, just want to throw my 2 cents in. I just got upgraded to regular from newbie, and I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't get flamed once this year. Maybe it was because I didn't go into the EBgames thread and ask when the system gets updated, or I ddin't go in the gamerush thread asking about trade-in deals at gamestop. I don't agree with flaming but some of the questions on here are easily answered if you take time to read the thread before posting in it. Most people seem very lazy and don't do more than hit last, read the last few posts and then post something themselves. The worst offenders were during the Green Tag Glitch. Every other question in the forum was about the glitch and how it worked. You're never going to get everyone to be civil but I think that this issue has 2 sides and it's not just a bunch of trolls looking to bring everyone down but also very lazy newbies that don't seem to give a damn about the CAG but just want to find some deals and not contribute.

It's a great time to be a cheap ass gamer.

[b0bx13]

I don't see anything about fraternities in that link. What am I looking for?
Hence why I provided you with my chapter's information; our GPA isn't published online in any location of which I am aware.

"The strongest predictor for binge drinking was living in a sorority or fraternity house. Eighty percent (80%) of sorority women and 86% of fraternity men living in Greek housing qualified as binge drinkers."

edit: or "Fraternity house residents are twice as likely as other students to indulge in binge drinking, according to the Harvard School of Public Health's 2001 College Alcohol Study."
There was a survey passed around USD's campus regarding drinking and sexual habits. As it were, almost 90% of participants indicated that they had 8 or more drinks in one night at least once in the last month. 90% is higher than 86%, last I checked.



edit: or "Fraternity house residents are twice as likely as other students to indulge in binge drinking, according to the Harvard School of Public Health's 2001 College Alcohol Study."
Maybe this is accurate, maybe not. But which is easier to poll? A campus of 10k+, or a frat house of 30?

Anyway, I'm not quite sure why I'm trying to defend my organization to someone who clearly has not had direct experience with the greek system (even I was highly against fraternities and had the same stereotypical views until rush week), so this will be my last post on the subject.

[jmcc]

Hence why I provided you with my chapter's information; our GPA isn't published online in any location of which I am aware.


There was a survey passed around USD's campus regarding drinking and sexual habits. As it were, almost 90% of participants indicated that they had 8 or more drinks in one night at least once in the last month. 90% is higher than 86%, last I checked.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure why I'm trying to defend my organization to someone who clearly has not had direct experience with the greek system (even I was highly against fraternities and had the same stereotypical views until rush week), so this will be my last post on the subject.
That's fine. Anecdotal evidence isn't very impressive.

[Genocidal]

Am I the only one that thinks he brought it on himself in that topic? I agree it's a problem elsewhere, but this guy seemed to be asking for it. Just what I got out of the first few posts (#1-11).

[SpottedNigel]

MAKE A NEW THREAD TO COMPLAIN/COMPLIMENT FRATERNATIES!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, stop it.

[Noodle Pirate!]

Well we can all agree there are some members who generally aren't any help to the CAG society. The problem is what can we do about this to prevent further despicable welcomes?

I think the main issue is that CAG has become more hostile to new members over time. I know I sure as hell would not have stuck around if I had been treated as some of the new people lately have been treated. I just wouldnt feel welcome let alone welcome enough to post a question or comment.

In my opinion, I believe the main culprit is that it has become "ok" to insult others as a laugh or as a rule. The more people that join the more people there are to clash with.
While I don't think this is the fault of the mods for not doing their job properly, I do feel that the longer it is left the way it is, the worse it will get. It will be harder to correct the longer it is let go. I do feel this place has become about as friendly as gamefaqs for new people. - (and sometimes about as informative)

The "let it slide off your back, get a thicker skin" idea is BS. There should be no excuse for rudeness or flaming for the sake of disagreeing. It is not about having a thick skin, it's about politeness and respecting other users opinions and questions.

I think the grand rule should be that if you don't have anything nice to say, then keep it to yourself. Difference of opnion is one thing, insulting another for their beliefs is another. I see a lot of "vet" users that go into a thread knowing damn well what it is about and saying nothing constructive, but just flaming and insulting. There is no excuse for that. I don't honestly think it should be allowed if you wish to have an intelligent discussion board.

My few and probably "lame" suggestions to help turn this place around might or might not be good ideas:

1.One "venting" thread for those who have bad experiences at stores and need a little support. I know there are lots of those already, but if we allow people to come in and bash the OP about his opinion it becomes a flaming thread. Sometimes people need to vent and they need support. Only post in that thread if you empathize with the op and wish to vent about a bad experience you had.
Noone likes the ps2 trolls on the xbox board saying xbox sucks. - It is the same way about venting on bad experiences.

2. Start to enfore the "be nice" no flaming policy in the TOS. Trolling in someone's thread just because you dont like them or disagree with their post is not cool. It is one thing to insult your buddies as a joke. They understand it is meant in jest. Insulting people you are not friends with and who don't "get" your humor is not appropriate. There is a fine line between messing with them and having a laugh and being hurtful. If your not sure, then don't post it.

3. A newbie forum, for those who want to ask questions without fear of getting burned a new butthole. I know this may not work out or last very long . However I think it would be a good way for newbies to get their feet wet and feel comfortable with participating without being scared away. No newb insulting allowed in this forum. - Policed by mods.
I agree with Cheapymom about wondering how many good people were frightened away by vets.
There are tons of boards in this place and newbs don't need to be shot for asking the same question that was answered 5 times in the sub forum on Entomology. A polite redirect or general" you can find the answer in the xxx thread in the xxx forum" is more then sufficient. a lot of people dont have hours to read all the forums and keep up with all the threads.

It takes just as long to type" that has been answered in the DS forum in the DS release schedule thread" as it does to say" WTH are you posting about this again? this has already been answered 9 times in the DS thread!! USE the search function!!"
( everyone knows the search function is infaliable 100%)

This would be a good way for those who think post count is important to give back to the site by helping others. How fast will your post count rise when you are posting short and informative redirects to relevant threads to help newbies? You will feel good about helping people in the process.

4. The big brother approach that others mentioned is a good idea too, I don't know how well it would work though considering how fast this site is growing. I can see it it getting too big to handle if there are only a few people willing to big brother/sister for others.

Those are just a few of my lame suggestions. I think whatever Cheapy ultimately decides to do, it will only work if enforced without exceptions and favoritism.


edit: lol in the time it took me to write all that up, I see there are others who have the same idea about the no harrassment newb forum. - Smart minds think alike ;P

[jmcc]

Am I the only one that thinks he brought it on himself in that topic? I agree it's a problem elsewhere, but this guy seemed to be asking for it. Just what I got out of the first few posts (#1-11).
Brought it on himself, how? Unless he significantly edited his post after it was done, I didn't see anything that was objectionable to the point where a "this is already being discussed in other threads such as these ones, next time try out the search button before posting" wouldn't have sufficed.

It's funny. This isn't the first time I've seen hostility from people in a discussion about the 360's problems today. I have to wonder if this isn't just fanboyism run amok rather than anti-new poster sentiment.

[zewone]

This isn't the first time I've seen hostility from people in a discussion about the 360's problems today. I have to wonder if this isn't just fanboyism run amok rather than anti-new poster sentiment.
It's not a 360 problem that there is more demand than supply. Fanboyism doesn't quite fit right, but yeah there has been quite a bit of flaming from 360 supporters vs. PS3 supporters.

But it's usually the PS3 supporters going into a thread about a system they don't have an intrest in, and they want everyone to know about it.

[Brak]

Blind "newbie" flaming is lame -- especially when they're not doing anything wrong (hence "blind").

I honestly don't like the word "newbie". I don't really care how long someone has been on a board or web community or what have you. Seniority doesn't make you the shit. Period.

Now, if a "newbie" is trying too hard to be cool or trying to cause heat with someone who is "cool", that, too, is annoying.

[jmcc]

It's not a 360 problem that there is more demand than supply. Fanboyism doesn't quite fit right, but yeah there has been quite a bit of flaming from 360 supporters vs. PS3 supporters.

But it's usually the PS3 supporters going into a thread about a system they don't have an intrest in, and they want everyone to know about it.
I didn't go much past the first few posts of the second page in the thread discussed earlier. Did the PS3 even get mentioned? It wasn't on the other site's blurb about the 360 either, nor was it in comments on the story, but a guy popped up regardless, trolling the comments about how the site was biased somehow for reporting the 360's supply and reported quality control issues.

[karmapolice]

It's not a 360 problem that there is more demand than supply. Fanboyism doesn't quite fit right, but yeah there has been quite a bit of flaming from 360 supporters vs. PS3 supporters.

But it's usually the PS3 supporters going into a thread about a system they don't have an intrest in, and they want everyone to know about it.

It's really hard to believe how much people "believe" in a video game system. It plays video games... has a couple other features... what is there to really defend? They have different games and features, but what is there really to argue about. One being better than the other is PURELY a matter of opinion. Nothing more.

~Zew, I wasnt directing this towards you, your post merely made me think of this.

[Genocidal]

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm freezing my ass off, but it seemed as if he was given an answer in the second post, and then proceeded to feed the troll (thagoat) in post 11, telling people to get back on topic and stop flaming when I didn't see any real flaming until after that post. So a couple different people told him that the recall was just a rumor. That seems on-topic to me, indicating that there would not likely be any less shipments than normal.

It's really hard to believe how much people "believe" in a video game system. It plays video games... has a couple other features... what is there to really defend? They have different games and features, but what is there really to argue about. One being better than the other is PURELY a matter of opinion. Nothing more.

~Zew, I wasnt directing this towards you, your post merely made me think of this.

CLEARLY U R ALL LAME!1!! DREMACAST 2 WILL PWN ALL UR PUNY CONSOLEZ!!!!!1!! IT EVEN HAS MINIFRIDGE, SONY ONLY HAS A GRILL. LOL. :booty::lol:

[jmcc]

It's really hard to believe how much people "believe" in a video game system. It plays video games... has a couple other features... what is there to really defend? They have different games and features, but what is there really to argue about. One being better than the other is PURELY a matter of opinion. Nothing more.

~Zew, I wasnt directing this towards you, your post merely made me think of this.
When there's multiple systems, and you don't have them all, naturally you're going to feel the need to defend your purchase.

[zewone]

I didn't go much past the first few posts of the second page in the thread discussed earlier. Did the PS3 even get mentioned? It wasn't on the other site's blurb about the 360 either, nor was it in comments on the story, but a guy popped up regardless, trolling the comments about how the site was biased somehow for reporting the 360's supply and reported quality control issues.
No, the PS3 was not mentioned in that thread, but I was referring to you bringing up the fact that the 360 being released has brought up more flames in the forums.

[jmcc]

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm freezing my ass off, but it seemed as if he was given an answer in the second post, and then proceeded to feed the troll (thagoat) in post 11, telling people to get back on topic and stop flaming when I didn't see any real flaming until after that post. So a couple different people told him that the recall was just a rumor. That seems on-topic to me, indicating that there would not likely be any less shipments than normal.
I don't know. I only saw people telling him the core system was still out there, despite him asking about the regular, and reminding him that it was a rumor, despite him having put that in the first line of his post. There wasn't anything I'd consider constructive going on until the links to the established threads on the subject were posted.

[Genocidal]

Going along with what a few other people have said in this thread, I think a Newbie forum wouldn't be a bad idea. The only way I could really see it working though would be with a zero tolerance policy -- if you flame/troll, you get banned from that forum. I think that would leave only those who actually wish to help and point newbies in the right direction, unfortunately, I'm not so sure how easy it would be to police, as I would think it would be a troller's paradise.

I don't know. I only saw people telling him the core system was still out there, despite him asking about the regular, and reminding him that it was a rumor, despite him having put that in the first line of his post. There wasn't anything I'd consider constructive going on until the links to the established threads on the subject were posted.

Fair enough. Chalk that one up to me freezing my ass off then.

[RAMSTORIA]

No, the PS3 was not mentioned in that thread, but I was referring to you bringing up the fact that the 360 being released has brought up more flames in the forums.

fanboyism will never stop...

i like the welcome PM idea...

id like to think a welcome section would work, but im sure people would still be rude in it, even if its not as much...

also, i think there are times when a new guy warrants a flaming, sometimes they ask questions that are just downright dumb, like how much can i get at eb for these 10 games, those are lame no matter how new or old someone is...

but yeah, its pretty wild with the newbie flaming, although i may have done it before, i cant remember specifically, but im sure it happened once or twice

[integralsmatic]

I cant remember one time i was getting sweenyed by JSweeny but who hasnt gotten sweenyed yet...Ill throw in my 2 dollars here...IMO i just think people flame because they want to. there are no real consequences that will effect how they act. If they get blocked or ban from this site that wont change who they are. i think people should just tolerate it and just help them out. Since they are a "newb" they really dont know what has been posted already and they probably still dont know how navigate through it hence the quick topic questions. i agree with karma...just make them feel welcomed and just give them some tips so they can avoid situations like the 360 thread.

[jmcc]

I cant remember one time i was getting sweenyed by JSweeny but who hasnt gotten sweenyed yet...Ill throw in my 2 dollars here...IMO i just think people flame because they want to. there are no real consequences that will effect how they act. If they get blocked or ban from this site that wont change who they are. i think people should just tolerate it and just help them out. Since they are a "newb" they really dont know what has been posted already and they probably still dont know how navigate through it hence the quick topic questions. i agree with karma...just make them feel welcomed and just give them some tips so they can avoid situations like the 360 thread.
Sweeneyed? You mean you were getting lyrics posted at you?

[karmapolice]

He means he got bitched out by Jsweeny... I have aswell. I didnt much like him at first, but once you get to know him... He's awesome

[Brak]

Sweeneyed? You mean you were getting lyrics posted at you?

Or did he use the word "thier" on you yet? A variant of the word "their". :)

[zewone]

Sweeneyed?
No.
You mean you were getting lyrics posted at you?
He means this crap. ;)

[crazytalkx]

Sweeneyed?
No.
You mean you were getting lyrics posted at you?
He means this crap. ;)

PAROD'D

[Rocko]

I agree the flaming is a little rough. I mean, I get fucked around with all the time, but not flamed like these people do. There's just some people you can't stop, I guess. I look forward to Chepy's reply to your PM, OP.

[Demolition Man]

I do agree with the idea of having a section for newcomers to CAG to post their "hello, I'm new around here" section myself. It would certainly help out by giving a chance for Mods/Admins to remind them of the forum rules and such as well.

[kakomu]

And what activities were entailed in the pledge period?

If it's anything like the frat I was in, lots and lots of shit that isn't worth going through.

[Greetard]

I'm going to some-what clear my name. A while back, I made a list of who I would rag on , but it was deleted by a certain mod who has it out for me (you know who you are). So here it is again:

1. People who don't bother to make any sense. (bad typing, rambling, etc.). You should learn how to write before trying to type.
2. Those who troll for no apparent reason. This includes the grammer nazis. One or two mistakes in a post won't kill anybody, so pull the stick out of your ass.
3. People who spam the boards with stuff only they think is funny. (The only person that comes to mind is Omega2 and his half-assed home videos).
4. The current issue...newbs who create welcome threads. There isn't a reason for it. You joined a board, whoopdie-friggin-do. Want a cookie?
5. People who actually get offended on the internet. Grow some balls. You'll never meet the guy, who cares what he has to say about you.
6. Post-whores. You bastards.

So.
Who have I recently shit-listed?...

VGM was a dick.
U2k is a fucking moron.
Omega2 was a douche.
Lina was a bitch.
Slidecage is semi-retarded.
Sequoia was a post-whore.
Sikz de Nye created that thread.
And after seeing that 360 thread, ThaGoat is on it too.

There is a rhyme and reason for what I do. Moxio said the thread I made was a joke on the first page. It wasn't supposed to be. The idiots who posted in it made it a joke. I gave cocky noobs a place to congregate- they should be happy. It was the other pricks who turned it into a fucking concentration camp.

[Inferno-X]

I am glad this thread has popped up, I was considering posting something similar myself. It seems to me the newbie flaming (and flaming in general) has gotten a lot worse recently. Granted I have not been in these forums that long myself, but I mean just since I joined.

I don't know if a 'list' or something like that listing the people who do this kinda thing is the right way to go. These people want attention, be it good or bad, and being on a list would get thier names out there. I don't know if the mods have said anything to them in PM's, but I strongly think it should be done. After a couple of warnings, boot them. There is no reason for us to be asses to each other. We are all here for the love of video games and great deals. This is a great community with a lot of great people, lets don't let a few trolls bring it down.

I as well hope Cheapy chimes in on this one.

[Brak]

If it's anything like the frat I was in, lots and lots of shit that isn't worth going through.

Eating a butthair sandwich, sucking another pledge off, getting spanked with a wooden paddle, etc.

Yeah. Frats aren't too gay.

[Brak]

U2k is a fucking moron.

I'm not positive if U2k is real or not, but by no means do I think he should be banned for liking bad games. The way his topics are trolled is more annoying than anything he's ever done.

[Rocko]

VGM was a dick.
U2k is a fucking moron.
Omega2 was a douche.
Lina was a bitch.
Slidecage is semi-retarded.
Sequoia was a post-whore.
And after seeing that 360 thread, ThaGoat is on it too.

Oh, come on. slidecage's posts are funny.

[beguile]

I think I read these topics about newbie flaming everyone three months or so. Nevertheless, I agree with it. OP I love your name! You trying to be a mod?

[Kayden]

I don't mind noobs, but I just cant stand stupid people.

[masha]

I don't mind noobs, but I just cant stand stupid people.

What's the difference?! #-o


__ IKIK

[Demolition Man]

Oh, come on. slidecage's posts are funny.

I'll second that... even if he hates Nintendogs. :rofl:

[karmapolice]

I think I read these topics about newbie flaming everyone three months or so. Nevertheless, I agree with it. OP I love your name! You trying to be a mod?

There have been a couple of these threads in the past, but nothing has really amounted from them. Thanks, I got it from the radiohead song. No im not really trying to be a mod, I would love to be one, but Ive never been offered and if Cheapy wants me as one then he will come to me and ask. Im not gunna push for anything. :lol:

[Rocko]

I'll second that... even if he hates Nintendogs. :rofl:

Is his title still "I HATE NINTENDOGS"? Whenever I read that, I think "Nintendo GS? What the fuck is that?" Then I get it. :lol:

[Moxio]

There is a rhyme and reason for what I do. Moxio said the thread I made was a joke on the first page. It wasn't supposed to be. The idiots who posted in it made it a joke. I gave cocky noobs a place to congregate- they should be happy. It was the other pricks who turned it into a fucking concentration camp.

I'm sorry if you got the wrong impression. I don't put you at any fault.

What I meant was the thread created isn't very inviting. I agree, it has been turned into a joke, and we need to make this issue more serious.

[Demolition Man]

Is his title still "I HATE NINTENDOGS"? Whenever I read that, I think "Nintendo GS? What the fuck is that?" Then I get it. :lol:

Last time I checked it still is.

[Demolition Man]

What's the difference?! #-o

Hey I'll admit that at one point I was a noob around here but one thing that I can hand down to others from my years of posting on message forums is this piece of advice that should be put in the CAG FAQ...

Don't act like a noob on the forum even though you are a noob. You will earn people's respect much faster that way.

Heck, I just came here and started posting like as if I was a regular around here (during the CC $4.99 sale in 2004). Glad I came as I've said on more than one occasion. Many of you folks really do brighten my day, and finding all the deals makes it worthwhile. Not to mention even on occasion contributing myself to help out in return. :D

[WinnieThePujols]

Being an ass towards n00bs is unnecessary.

I've always really enjoyed Cheap Ass Gamer, because it feels much more personal than a site like GameFAQs. Not that I'm saying that the site plays a big role in my life or anything, it's just that if I need some advice on something, I can usually post and hear voices of reason with minimal flaming.

[JSweeney]

Or did he use the word "thier" on you yet? A variant of the word "their". :)

Yeah, make fun of the dyslexic. Quite funny.

[Brak]

Yeah, make fun of the dyslexic. Quite funny.

Oh, yeah. That was my intent. Afterall, I secretly knew you were dyslexic and all.

[karmapolice]

Yeah, make fun of the dyslexic. Quite funny.

JSweeney in tha house!!!!


Sorry that was my first reaction.

[Mr. Anderson]

A little back on topic, a list of trolls/assholes would be a terrible idea. The community has no right to determine who they want to be singled out and put on a list like a fucking pedophile. Who are we/you/they to decide who is asshole enough to be put on the list? That's for Cheapy and the mods, if this idea is actually realized, which I sincerly hope it's not. I think CheapyMom has the right mindset with her warning note idea. Just tell new members people can be dicks and it will eventually pass. Make it polite, informative, and to the point.

[zewone]

Block Mr. Anderson newbies, now if not sooner.

[Xevious]

I never got hassled when I was a newbie here.

[karmapolice]

I never got hassled when I was a newbie here.

My point exactly. You joined around when I did, and the boards were alot more friendly than they are now. People actually were willing to help noobs then.

[mmercer13]

I dont understand why people insist on flaming newbie's for no reason. Almost every other thread I go into, it somehow has turned into a noob flame war. We were all noobs once and I dont understand how the boards have become like this.

I remember when I first joined, some of you may remember, I started a thread about GBA Roms. I had no idea that this was not allowed to be discussed (I believe we didnt have the FAQ yet). Everyone that posted gave me a polite response along the lines of: "Roms arent allowed to be discussed on here, in the future please dont post about them". All rather polite and informative responses, no flaming. I sent a formal appology PM to Cheapy and all was well.

I dont understand why the boards have become filled with hate and flaming. I know there was always been flaming but it wasnt always to noobs. It was usually to some dumbass like cloudspek. Sorry for the rant, but I just dont think its right that people are always flaming noobs for not knowing what we know, but we've been here alot longer too. I know we have the Faqs, but I dont think every noob knows about them.

I just thought I would voice my opinion on the matter. I would love to see how many others agree with me on this issue.

/end rant.

~Karma
Agree with you 100%.

[karmapolice]

Agree with you 100%.

Im glad that so many people on the boards agree with me. With the amount of flaming I have seen lately I thought I would have a minimal turn out with alot of responses like thagoats.

[evilmojo12542]

normally it is me gettting flammed and I passed the noob stage long long time ago
wooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it is not me for once time to party

[Mookyjooky]

You're fighting a losing battle...we've been through this a hundred times. 95% of the guys here are overweight losers who've never touched a pussy, let alone a nice pair of breasts. This is their little way of getting back at people for such a worthless life. Most of the guys here in this thread will talk about how you're right, and then be doing it in an hour. You just got to ignore it, or become a lurker like me. After a while, CAG becomes a secondary issue, and a good place to find cheap games... well, you dont really have that anymore either. I cant remember the last time a good deal came through, and cheapy pretty much just lets everyone make money for him through the site while paying them nothing and him being able to move around in New York and Japan. So while people are bitching about the PS3 being better than the Xbox 360 - Cheapy is moving to Japan and having a real life paid for by the retards of the internet.

[mtxbass1]

You're fighting a losing battle...we've been through this a hundred times. 95% of the guys here are overweight losers who've never touched a pussy, let alone a nice pair of breasts. This is their little way of getting back at people for such a worthless life. Most of the guys here in this thread will talk about how you're right, and then be doing it in an hour. You just got to ignore it, or become a lurker like me. After a while, CAG becomes a secondary issue, and a good place to find cheap games... well, you dont really have that anymore either. I cant remember the last time a good deal came through, and cheapy pretty much just lets everyone make money for him through the site while paying them nothing and him being able to move around in New York and Japan. So while people are bitching about the PS3 being better than the Xbox 360 - Cheapy is moving to Japan and having a real life paid for by the retards of the internet.

:applause:

[bmulligan]

A little back on topic, a list of trolls/assholes would be a terrible idea. The community has no right to determine who they want to be singled out and put on a list like a fucking pedophile. Who are we/you/they to decide who is asshole enough to be put on the list? That's for Cheapy and the mods, if this idea is actually realized, which I sincerly hope it's not. I think CheapyMom has the right mindset with her warning note idea. Just tell new members people can be dicks and it will eventually pass. Make it polite, informative, and to the point.

^Probably the most intelligent post in this entire thread.


I didn't see the post about making a list of asshole posters/flamers, but what kind of steaming pile of Nazi shitkicking anal cheese came up with that idea? Lets get together and come up with a list of ne'r-do-wells? Why don't we just put mandatory pink triangles on their avatars ?

For the most part, I see idiotic flaming posts being made as a reflection of idiotic OP's. Most around here rarely flame someone for no reason, and if getting flamed as a noob makes you think two or three times, do some searching or reading before posting another inane, redundant, or blatantly retarded topic, then I say keep the fires burning.

How many topics do we get after OP's that say "it's Soooooo hard to use search"? Is that a flame or is that instruction ? Then there's the classic "What should I play/buy next" topics that beg for some good hearting ribbing. Or how about the "i've been absent for 3 months, what did I miss" topics that prove just how lazy gamers are when it comes to doing their own research or reading. The "where can I buy a 360" topic must have been made by a 12 year old closet dweller who's never heard of or been into a retail outlet in his short, disinfranchised life. It's so easy to post on the internet and not have to muster some initiative in the world of real things and living beings.

You sensitive metros out there need to grow a thicker skin. I know sissy-girls out there who can take more punnishment than some of you mouse-mastrubating-web-waifs.

Lastly, the web needs more grammar police. Some of you should be ashamed of your communication skills (or lack thereof). I don't care if this isn't a high school english class, when you sound, or write, stupidly, people will treat you as such. And you are helping to give gamers a bad reputation as being mind-numbed idiots.

[jmcc]

^Probably the most intelligent post in this entire thread.


I didn't see the post about making a list of asshole posters/flamers, but what kind of steaming pile of Nazi shitkicking anal cheese came up with that idea? Lets get together and come up with a list of ne'r-do-wells? Why don't we just put mandatory pink triangles on their avatars ?

For the most part, I see idiotic flaming posts being made as a reflection of idiotic OP's. Most around here rarely flame someone for no reason, and if getting flamed as a noob makes you think two or three times, do some searching or reading before posting another inane, redundant, or blatantly retarded topic, then I say keep the fires burning.

How many topics do we get after OP's that say "it's Soooooo hard to use search"? Is that a flame or is that instruction ? Then there's the classic "What should I play/buy next" topics that beg for some good hearting ribbing. Or how about the "i've been absent for 3 months, what did I miss" topics that prove just how lazy gamers are when it comes to doing their own research or reading. The "where can I buy a 360" topic must have been made by a 12 year old closet dweller who's never heard of or been into a retail outlet in his short, disinfranchised life. It's so easy to post on the internet and not have to muster some initiative in the world of real things and living beings.

You sensitive metros out there need to grow a thicker skin. I know sissy-girls out there who can take more punnishment than some of you mouse-mastrubating-web-waifs.

Lastly, the web needs more grammar police. Some of you should be ashamed of your communication skills (or lack thereof). I don't care if this isn't a high school english class, when you sound, or write, stupidly, people will treat you as such. And you are helping to give gamers a bad reputation as being mind-numbed idiots.
Irony!

[evilmojo12542]

^Probably the most intelligent post in this entire thread.


I didn't see the post about making a list of asshole posters/flamers, but what kind of steaming pile of Nazi shitkicking anal cheese came up with that idea? Lets get together and come up with a list of ne'r-do-wells? Why don't we just put mandatory pink triangles on their avatars ?

For the most part, I see idiotic flaming posts being made as a reflection of idiotic OP's. Most around here rarely flame someone for no reason, and if getting flamed as a noob makes you think two or three times, do some searching or reading before posting another inane, redundant, or blatantly retarded topic, then I say keep the fires burning.

How many topics do we get after OP's that say "it's Soooooo hard to use search"? Is that a flame or is that instruction ? Then there's the classic "What should I play/buy next" topics that beg for some good hearting ribbing. Or how about the "i've been absent for 3 months, what did I miss" topics that prove just how lazy gamers are when it comes to doing their own research or reading. The "where can I buy a 360" topic must have been made by a 12 year old closet dweller who's never heard of or been into a retail outlet in his short, disinfranchised life. It's so easy to post on the internet and not have to muster some initiative in the world of real things and living beings.

You sensitive metros out there need to grow a thicker skin. I know sissy-girls out there who can take more punnishment than some of you mouse-mastrubating-web-waifs.

Lastly, the web needs more grammar police. Some of you should be ashamed of your communication skills (or lack thereof). I don't care if this isn't a high school english class, when you sound, or write, stupidly, people will treat you as such. And you are helping to give gamers a bad reputation as being mind-numbed idiots.

wow well said with that I say flamers unite and flame on

[thagoat]

^Probably the most intelligent post in this entire thread.


I didn't see the post about making a list of asshole posters/flamers, but what kind of steaming pile of Nazi shitkicking anal cheese came up with that idea? Lets get together and come up with a list of ne'r-do-wells? Why don't we just put mandatory pink triangles on their avatars ?

For the most part, I see idiotic flaming posts being made as a reflection of idiotic OP's. Most around here rarely flame someone for no reason, and if getting flamed as a noob makes you think two or three times, do some searching or reading before posting another inane, redundant, or blatantly retarded topic, then I say keep the fires burning.

How many topics do we get after OP's that say "it's Soooooo hard to use search"? Is that a flame or is that instruction ? Then there's the classic "What should I play/buy next" topics that beg for some good hearting ribbing. Or how about the "i've been absent for 3 months, what did I miss" topics that prove just how lazy gamers are when it comes to doing their own research or reading. The "where can I buy a 360" topic must have been made by a 12 year old closet dweller who's never heard of or been into a retail outlet in his short, disinfranchised life. It's so easy to post on the internet and not have to muster some initiative in the world of real things and living beings.

You sensitive metros out there need to grow a thicker skin. I know sissy-girls out there who can take more punnishment than some of you mouse-mastrubating-web-waifs.

Lastly, the web needs more grammar police. Some of you should be ashamed of your communication skills (or lack thereof). I don't care if this isn't a high school english class, when you sound, or write, stupidly, people will treat you as such. And you are helping to give gamers a bad reputation as being mind-numbed idiots.
Preach on by brothers!!! Amen!!

[bmulligan]

Irony!

Nice to know you could take a break from wanking and spew at least ONE word before your climax... ;)

[jmcc]

Nice to know you could take a break from wanking and spew at least ONE word before your climax... ;)
The lesson is, as always: make sure your post is spotless when you're going to complain about spelling or grammar in other people's posts.

[kakomu]

I didn't see the post about making a list of asshole posters/flamers, but what kind of steaming pile of Nazi shitkicking anal cheese came up with that idea?

Nixon.

[evilmax17]

A big part of the problem is that the site has grown too big, and there hasn't been any necessary adjustments made. As it stands, we have 5 "active" mods (and I use those quotes to their fullest effect) governing over 40,000 users, and this simply isn't enough. Threads are being derailed, users are being insulted for no reason, and nothing is being done about anything.

There are plenty of solutions to all of the problems people are recognizing:

-More mods: We have 1 active mod for every 8,000 users.

-Better selection of mods: Look for users that actually care about CAG (like karma. For making a thread like this. It shows that he has concern.) Look for users that are effective (like Scorch. With a little sensativity training he would be an excellent mod.) DON'T look for your buddies, or people you play Halo with. It's a poor way to govern a site (just like it's a poor way to govern a country...and we don't need another Harriet Miers mod appointed here at CAG).

-Learn what works and what doesn't: Time has shown that people don't pay attention to sticky threads, they don't read FAQs, and they don't read "rules of the site". Remedy this. Make a short, easy to read PM that gets automatically sent out. Make an entire forum for new people (people see whole forums, they don't see single posts).

-Accept and admit that things aren't perfect: You're not George Bush, you should be able to see that CAG isn't the place it was a year ago, and same for the year before that. Accept it, and take action to try and fix it.

In the end, it's all numbers. How high is CAG on the big boards list. How many users and posts does CAG have? In the short run, it's beneficial to let threads run wild and for trolls to post as much as they can (more posts = better site! Right!?) But in the long run, you're driving away new users, and you're destining CAG for stagnation.

Think for the future, and listen to your userbase.

[Brak]

Look for users that are effective (like Scorch. With a little sensativity training he would be an excellent mod.)

Yeah... No.

[SkyGheNe]

Isn't there an xbox360 thread? I guess there should be so that questions like that are answered quickly or discussed.

[karmapolice]

A big part of the problem is that the site has grown too big, and there hasn't been any necessary adjustments made. As it stands, we have 5 "active" mods (and I use those quotes to their fullest effect) governing over 40,000 users, and this simply isn't enough. Threads are being derailed, users are being insulted for no reason, and nothing is being done about anything.

There are plenty of solutions to all of the problems people are recognizing:

-More mods: We have 1 active mod for every 8,000 users.

-Better selection of mods: Look for users that actually care about CAG (like karma. For making a thread like this. It shows that he has concern.) Look for users that are effective (like Scorch. With a little sensativity training he would be an excellent mod.) DON'T look for your buddies, or people you play Halo with. It's a poor way to govern a site (just like it's a poor way to govern a country...and we don't need another Harriet Miers mod appointed here at CAG).

-Learn what works and what doesn't: Time has shown that people don't pay attention to sticky threads, they don't read FAQs, and they don't read "rules of the site". Remedy this. Make a short, easy to read PM that gets automatically sent out. Make an entire forum for new people (people see whole forums, they don't see single posts).

-Accept and admit that things aren't perfect: You're not George Bush, you should be able to see that CAG isn't the place it was a year ago, and same for the year before that. Accept it, and take action to try and fix it.

In the end, it's all numbers. How high is CAG on the big boards list. How many users and posts does CAG have? In the short run, it's beneficial to let threads run wild and for trolls to post as much as they can (more posts = better site! Right!?) But in the long run, you're driving away new users, and you're destining CAG for stagnation.

Think for the future, and listen to your userbase.

You are completely right. I never realized the lack of mods compared to users here. That could very well be part of the problem. I think we should have around a 1/500 or 1/100 ratio if possible. I really dont want to see this site go into a gamefaqs route. I hope that this thread gets heard by the big man, and hopefully he will do something (he has yet to PM me back). Im hoping in some way that we can make this site a more pleasant and more family like community, like it used to be.

[karmapolice]

Yeah... No.

It wouldnt be terrible. Scorch tends to have a attitute problem, but I think its just a result of people not really doing their job before asking for help. He's actually a nice guy, just loses his temper quickly (or so ive noticed).

[jmcc]

The mod situation isn't nearly as dire as it's made out to be here. There's 40k+ users on the site, but how many post with any regularity? It's more like 5 mods for less than 500 users, I'd wager.

[thagoat]

You are completely right. I never realized the lack of mods compared to users here. That could very well be part of the problem. I think we should have around a 1/500 or 1/100 ratio if possible. I really dont want to see this site go into a gamefaqs route. I hope that this thread gets heard by the big man, and hopefully he will do something (he has yet to PM me back). Im hoping in some way that we can make this site a more pleasant and more family like community, like it used to be.
sounds like youre running for office. on a different note, is your price negotiable for your psp? im leaning toward buying one.

[karmapolice]

sounds like youre running for office. on a different note, is your price negotiable for your psp? im leaning toward buying one.

No im really not, but if enough people want me to be then I would. A couple people in this thread have mentioned it so I dunno. As for the psp PM me or post in the respective thread and I will get back to you.

[jmcc]

sounds like youre running for office. on a different note, is your price negotiable for your psp? im leaning toward buying one.
Now, see, this is a place where flaming could occur. Instead, I suggest asking in the thread dedicated specifically to such a question, instead of making any snarky comments. It's right here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75641

[evilmax17]

The mod situation isn't nearly as dire as it's made out to be here. There's 40k+ users on the site, but how many post with any regularity? It's more like 5 mods for less than 500 users, I'd wager.
Stats:
12,017 users have posted at least once.
1,770 users have posted at least 100 times.
3,500 users have only posted once.
7,500 have 10 or less posts.

Now i'm being liberal by setting my working definiton of an "active poster" as a user with at least 100 posts, and I'm also being liberal by saying we have 5 fully active mods. I'm putting these numbers in your favor.

If you were to take a Nintendo-ist approach, you would ask yourself "12,000 users posting is alright, but what about those 30,000 that never have? WHY haven't they, and what can we do to make them post?"

There was a really good and eye-opening thread awhile back, asking lurkers to come out and explain why they lurk (and they did). One of the users explained just this situation as his reason. Why would he want to post when most of the community wasn't worth talking to? I'll find the thread and post it in a minute, but it's worthy to note that this is a fixable problem.

From ATTN: If you are a Lurker please don't be shy, show yourself.. (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60939&highlight=lurker)

People "lurk" because there is a large portion of the CAG crowd that seems to make it their duty to harrass Newbies as much as possible. Honestly, many people just don't want to deal with that. Lurkers may also find it hard to jump into conversations that are going on among cliques of CAGers that have inside jokes and preexisting knowledge of one another. At least those are my thoughts. I've been frequenting CAG since the beginning of 2003, but didn't register on the board until last year. I would read a few threads here and there and see the way people with low post counts were treated. It's pretty silly that many people often base the value of someone's words upon how many times they speak and not what they say.

So...anyways... hello.

[jmcc]

Stats:
12,017 users have posted at least once.
1,770 users have posted at least 100 times.

Now i'm being liberal by setting my working definiton of an "active poster" as a user with at least 100 posts, and I'm also being liberal by saying we have 5 fully active mods. I'm putting these numbers in your favor.

If you were to take a Nintendo-ist approach, you would ask yourself "12,000 users posting is alright, but what about those 30,000 that never have? WHY haven't they, and what can we do to make them post?"

There was a really good and eye-opening thread awhile back, asking lurkers to come out and explain why they lurk (and they did). One of the users explained just this situation as his reason. Why would he want to post when most of the community wasn't worth talking to? I'll find the thread and post it in a minute, but it's worthy to note that this is a fixable problem.
About the 12K 1-posters: how many people were involved in trying to win cheapy's stuff?

[evilmax17]

About the 12K 1-posters: how many people were involved in trying to win cheapy's stuff?
Added stats that would half-answer your question.

[jmcc]

Added stats that would half-answer your question.
Where are you getting stats from, btw? I haven't seen them since the move to this board system.

[BigSpoonyBard]

Wow, this thread really took off


If you were to take a Nintendo-ist approach, you would ask yourself "12,000 users posting is alright, but what about those 30,000 that never have? WHY haven't they, and what can we do to make them post?"

There was a really good and eye-opening thread awhile back, asking lurkers to come out and explain why they lurk (and they did). One of the users explained just this situation as his reason. Why would he want to post when most of the community wasn't worth talking to? I'll find the thread and post it in a minute, but it's worthy to note that this is a fixable problem.

The problem is that there is no specific verbage in the TOS for mods to enforce where newbie flaming is concerned. There is a portion regarding harrassing language, etc, but I think that it is generally enforced only when things get really out of hand. You can't really put "Don't be a jerk" into the TOS. And while I think a little good-natured teasing is within reason, we were all noobs at some point, after all, I agree that targetiing noob posts and being a jerk is unneccesary. But is there any actual way to stop it?

[FriskyTanuki]

You are completely right. I never realized the lack of mods compared to users here. That could very well be part of the problem. I think we should have around a 1/500 or 1/100 ratio if possible. I really dont want to see this site go into a gamefaqs route. I hope that this thread gets heard by the big man, and hopefully he will do something (he has yet to PM me back). Im hoping in some way that we can make this site a more pleasant and more family like community, like it used to be.
Quality over quantity, my friend. Just because there's a lot of posters it doesn't mean we need a number proportional to that total. I'd say adding a couple more mods could help things run a little more smoothly around here, but nowhere near the amount you may be suggesting. Could you even think of 20+ more posters that would be qualified to handle the job and responsibility?

[karmapolice]

Wow, this thread really took off



The problem is that there is no specific verbage in the TOS for mods to enforce where newbie flaming is concerned. There is a portion regarding harrassing language, etc, but I think that it is generally enforced only when things get really out of hand. You can't really put "Don't be a jerk" into the TOS. And while I think a little good-natured teasing is within reason, we were all noobs at some point, after all, I agree that targetiing noob posts and being a jerk is unneccesary. But is there any actual way to stop it?

I think we can, if we see it going on we can stop that person. Give them a warning and if they dont stop ban them for a day, if that doesnt help 2 days, and so on. We could also impliment a way that we can ban people from individual threads. Say if a mod saw something getting out of hand and the person didnt stop, they could be banned from posting in that thread. It may sound complicated, but I believe it would work. It may take work and time in the beginning, but it would start to impact the community and people would learn. Making theses boards a better place for everyone.

[karmapolice]

Quality over quantity, my friend. Just because there's a lot of posters it doesn't mean we need a number proportional to that total. I'd say adding a couple more mods could help things run a little more smoothly around here, but nowhere near the amount you may be suggesting. Could you even think of 20+ more posters that would be qualified to handle the job and responsibility?

There are lots of people that havent been here too long, or dont even post that much that would be great people for a mod position. You just gotta look around. I dont think that we have to have people with over a thousand posts being mods. Just because you dont post every day doesnt mean you arent here every day.

[FriskyTanuki]

There are lots of people that havent been here too long, or dont even post that much that would be great people for a mod position. You just gotta look around. I dont think that we have to have people with over a thousand posts being mods. Just because you dont post every day doesnt mean you arent here every day.
Yeah, but still, you'd rather have people who most posters have heard of before and the mods and Cheapy can definitely get a feel for who that poster is from their posts than from people who've had a couple posts and don't make themselves at least known to the community and the mods in particular. Unless they're friends of the mods or the admins/owner, there's not much chance that a qualified poster with 50 posts who no poster knows to a qualified poster with 5000 posts that most posters know. Most of the mods we have here were active participants of the community and were able to show that they were qualified in some aspect to get the job. Of course, there's probably many posters here that could do the job, but if they don't post to show that ability, they're not going to get much of a chance.

[MorPhiend]

It wouldnt be terrible. Scorch tends to have a attitute problem, but I think its just a result of people not really doing their job before asking for help. He's actually a nice guy, just loses his temper quickly (or so ive noticed).

I don't think he has an attitude problem, nor does he lose his temper. I think he is a lot like me. Sometimes I am very well intended, but just don't have the best tact in the way I say things (and that comes with lack of tone from typing on the intraweb...).

[MR ZOOTEMO]

And you wonder why we have so many lurkers on the site .

[jmcc]

And you wonder why we have so many lurkers on the site .
I just assumed it was because you needed to be logged in to see the deals forum. Is that no longer true?

[Moxio]

Wow, some more good posts, guys. Good to see more people than karma and myself care about this.

I like the idea of more mods, but not too many. Maybe 5 more tops. What I think us regular members could do to help wild threads and bad posts is to actually contact a mod directly, perhaps via AIM, so they can take care of it ASAP. I think the lack of communication is what takes mods such long times to take care of things when they're not on CAG.

[FriskyTanuki]

Wow, some more good posts, guys. Good to see more people than karma and myself care about this.

I like the idea of more mods, but not too many. Maybe 5 more tops. What I think us regular members could do to help wild threads and bad posts is to actually contact a mod directly, perhaps via AIM, so they can take care of it ASAP. I think the lack of communication is what takes mods such long times to take care of things when they're not on CAG.
Or better yet, you can use our very own PM system. ;)

[JSweeney]

I don't think he has an attitude problem, nor does he lose his temper. I think he is a lot like me. Sometimes I am very well intended, but just don't have the best tact in the way I say things (and that comes with lack of tone from typing on the intraweb...).

Lack of empathy tends to be a stumbling block for many, many posters.

This entire problem is multifaceted, and it is one that has no easy answers.
There are no quick and easy fixes, though the intial PM explaining in layman's terms some of the more critical issues to the newest of users is a very good idea, especially if it could be easily incorporated into the system (something that would have to be discussed with defender)

A big concern I have is that many of the mods are overtaxed as it is, and it is a completely thankless job. People love taking the easy swings at the moderator, and the moderator has to grin and bear it, even though it's not uncommon for their decisions to be immedaiatedly overturned (look at the ban\unban issues Punqsux has sufffered through).


Most of the mods are doing the absolute best job they can in the system that exists, and all they're getting for it is shat on by most of the userbase.

At the moment, save for a few idealists, I can imagine why anyone would want to be a moderator.

[karmapolice]

I think Moxio should be one of the new mods. You have shown outstanding character since Ive been here. Ive wondered why you havent become a mod yet...

[FriskyTanuki]

I think Moxio should be one of the new mods. You have shown outstanding character since Ive been here. Ive wondered why you havent become a mod yet...
I believe there's an entire thread detailing why Moxio may have forfeited his potential modship as a result. :lol:

[RAMSTORIA]

It's a poor way to govern a site (just like it's a poor way to govern a country...and we don't need another Harriet Miers mod appointed here at CAG).



:rofl:

[karmapolice]

I believe there's an entire thread detailing why Moxio may have forfeited his potential modship as a result. :lol:

If you could explain I would be greatful... I must have missed the event.

[jaykrue]

I believe there's an entire thread detailing why Moxio may have forfeited his potential modship as a result. :lol:

Would it be teh ghey buttsechs? :-s;):lol:

I do agree, though, that there has been a lot more hostility towards noobs (yours truly guilty as well). I have a very short tolerance towards constant repetitive stupidity so I don't feel bad for repeat offenders of noobiness. However, I'll grant that I could be more tactful about things which they may not know about. I like the idea of a 'welcome, here are the rules & etiquette of CAG' pm since I know from personal experience that the faq is the last place I look when I join a forum (CAG has been the only one I've joined/actively participated in a long time anyway).

[Trakan]

-Better selection of mods: Look for users that actually care about CAG (like karma. For making a thread like this. It shows that he has concern.) Look for users that are effective (like Scorch. With a little sensativity training he would be an excellent mod.) DON'T look for your buddies, or people you play Halo with. It's a poor way to govern a site (just like it's a poor way to govern a country...and we don't need another Harriet Miers mod appointed here at CAG).

I can agree that we could use a couple more mods. The current mods can't be everywhere at all times. (As hard as I try.) That's what we have the 'Report a Post' feature for. Some CAGs have even IM/PM'd me at times, and that's fine. That does help.

I also agree about Scorch. I think he could be a great mod. What I don't understand is where the 'buddies' comment came from. Not once has a mod been selected that way. Nobody has ever looked out for their 'buddies.' It would be a poor way to govern a site, but it's never happened. Care to explain?


-Learn what works and what doesn't: Time has shown that people don't pay attention to sticky threads, they don't read FAQs, and they don't read "rules of the site". Remedy this. Make a short, easy to read PM that gets automatically sent out. Make an entire forum for new people (people see whole forums, they don't see single posts).

As hard as you try, you'll never get this to work. There are always going to be people that don't care. You've said it yourself, there are a ton of lurkers. They register just to get the deals. They don't care to be a part of the community.

Again, like you've said: Accept and admit that things aren't perfect.


But in the long run, you're driving away new users, and you're destining CAG for stagnation.

That's hilarious. I completely disagree. A year ago, we had what? Half of the of the users we do now? We must be doing something right.

[jmcc]

What I don't understand is where the 'buddies' comment came from. Not once has a mod been selected that way. Nobody has ever looked out for their 'buddies.' It would be a poor way to govern a site, but it's never happened. Care to explain?
I believe Cheapy's married to one of his mods, isn't he?

[JSweeney]

I can agree that we could use a couple more mods. The current mods can't be everywhere at all times. (As hard as I try.) That's what we have the 'Report a Post' feature for. Some CAGs have even IM/PM'd me at times, and that's fine. That does help.

I also agree about Scorch. I think he could be a great mod. What I don't understand is where the 'buddies' comment came from. Not once has a mod been selected that way. Nobody has ever looked out for their 'buddies.' It would be a poor way to govern a site, but it's never happened. Care to explain?


I don't get the way that was stated either.
I've never seen "buddies" being added by CheapyD as mods.
Any of the even viable complaints that could be made are about situations where a mod pulls a couple of strings for thier buddies, but in such situations it usually falls to CheapyD to have the final word.



As hard as you try, you'll never get this to work. There are always going to be people that don't care. You've said it yourself, there are a ton of lurkers. They register just to get the deals. They don't care to be a part of the community.

Again, like you've said: Accept and admit that things aren't perfect.


The thing is, there have been well known, and in some circles, respected people that are the griefers, and done horrible, disgusting things to other users, for no other reason than "because they can".

Unfortunately, it does seem that the only way to deal with that is to ignore it or leave.


That's hilarious. I completely disagree. A year ago, we had what? Half of the of the users we do now? We must be doing something right.

Yeah, the community proved itself as a valuable resource for finding deals.
Why do you think there are so, so many people with 1 post or less.
Many people may not be polite or pleasant, but everyone has to admit that the boards are at least useful.

[JSweeney]

I believe Cheapy's married to one of his mods, isn't he?

Yeah, how unfair is that?






















Neko Hime should be at least an admin or have the same rights as CheapyD :lol:

[thagoat]

its all politics my friend.

[crazytalkx]

I second the idea of Moxio becoming a moderator, ghey buttsechs, moldy boner, and all.

[Rocko]

Choosing someone with a small amount of posts to be a mod would be sort of risky, or so I think. We need people like Moxio or karmapolice, people we know will do a good job. Someone who we just fathom will do well could end up having 'power' go to their head, and end up like whats-his-face (I think it was Sneaky Penguin) who went around bashing everyone before he locked threads.

[evilmax17]

Someone who we just fathom will do well could end up having 'power' go to their head, and end up like whats-his-face (I think it was Sneaky Penguin) who went around bashing everyone before he locked threads.
And that went on for FAR longer than it should've.

What I don't understand is where the 'buddies' comment came from. Not once has a mod been selected that way. Nobody has ever looked out for their 'buddies.' It would be a poor way to govern a site, but it's never happened. Care to explain?
Eh, it might be an error of hindsight judgement, but I find it interesting that 4 out of the 5 "active" mods are all members of the Halo 2 clan. Again, not that it means anything per say, I just find it interesting.

Also, not that it means anything, but a good majority of the mods either were or still are active OTTers (most of them at the time of their appointing). This meant more back in the day when the OTT was more of a closed clique, instead of the open forum that it seems to have become (a step in the right direction I might add). Back in the day there were a small small handfull of people that had 1,000 posts or more (this was usually due to strong participation in the OTT), and they invariably became mods. I would guess that Cheapy quickly glanced at their post count, assumed that their posting frequency was correlated to time-on-CAG and also to their dedication, and made a decision based on that. Again...I'm just assuming.

All of this is speculation and observation, but there are a fair amount of coincidences I think. Either way, we need a diverse group of mods that focus on getting the job done, and it seems that we have a bunch of very very similar people currently employed to do so. As you say, "We can't be everywhere at once". I find this funny when I click on all of the bolded usernames that I see at the bottom of the forum frontpage, and often times they'll all be viewing the OTT at the same time. Don't take that as an OTT criticism, I'm just saying that we need diversity (and a lot more of it), so that we can all play off of eachothers strengths and weaknesses. I don't think we have that now.

[karmapolice]

Choosing someone with a small amount of posts to be a mod would be sort of risky, or so I think. We need people like Moxio or karmapolice, people we know will do a good job. Someone who we just fathom will do well could end up having 'power' go to their head, and end up like whats-his-face (I think it was Sneaky Penguin) who went around bashing everyone before he locked threads.

Most of you guys took what I meant the wrong way. I meant we didnt have to have someone with over a thousand posts which seemed to be the norm. I was thinking more along the lines of someone with like 600+. They still contribute, but just because they dont post more than once a day doesnt mean they arent here. I didnt mean someone with 150 posts... Then we couldnt tell how they would do, but I think 600 or around there would work.

[Trakan]

Eh, it might be an error of hindsight judgement, but I find it interesting that 4 out of the 5 "active" mods are all members of the Halo 2 clan. Again, not that it means anything per say, I just find it interesting.

Well, it may be interesting, but it's merely coincidence. Jaket was a mod long before Halo 2 even came out. I'm not sure about Led, although I think it was before or shortly after Halo 2 came out. I became a mod in January of this year. I joined the Halo 2 clan in mid May. Hell, I was on dial-up until then. I'm not sure if you're referring to shrike or not, but nonetheless, he's no longer in the clan. Cheapy is also in the clan as well.

As Mods, we can give recommendations, but it's always Cheapy's final say as to who becomes a Mod and who doesn't. I'll assume you know this.


Also, not that it means anything, but a good majority of the mods either were or still are active OTTers (most of them at the time of their appointing). This meant more back in the day when the OTT was more of a closed clique, instead of the open forum that it seems to have become (a step in the right direction I might add). Back in the day there were a small small handfull of people that had 1,000 posts or more (this was usually due to strong participation in the OTT), and they invariably became mods.

Yeah, I'll agree with that. I was an active OTTer before I became a Mod and even for a while after. As it became the open forum and went from the closed clique, I became less interested, and I've stopped posting in them. Remember that not all Mods had such high post count, nor were they involved in the OTTs. Bluetoast, SS4Brolly, NintendoFanGirl, AsianBaller, and another (whose name I can't think of at the moment) come to mind.


I would guess that Cheapy quickly glanced at their post count, assumed that their posting frequency was correlated to time-on-CAG and also to their dedication, and made a decision based on that. Again...I'm just assuming.

You've got to give Cheapy more credit than that. There's no way he based it (solely) on people's post counts. I'm sure he went off of Mod based recommendations and actually took the time to view the posts the candidates made himself.

As you say, "We can't be everywhere at once". I find this funny when I click on all of the bolded usernames that I see at the bottom of the forum frontpage, and often times they'll all be viewing the OTT at the same time. Don't take that as an OTT criticism, I'm just saying that we need diversity (and a lot more of it), so that we can all play off of eachothers strengths and weaknesses. I don't think we have that now.

I can only speak for myself, and in that I'm saying that I do occasionally check what's going on in the OTT if I'm bored or the site is running slow. Even so, with that being one thread, I highly doubt that enough time is spent in that one thread to justify calling the mods an 'OTT group.'

There is diversity now. Could there be more? Always. There are times when the mods don't always agree on everything. Differences do come up. Everybody tries to do what's best for CAG.

[Rocko]

Most of you guys took what I meant the wrong way. I meant we didnt have to have someone with over a thousand posts which seemed to be the norm. I was thinking more along the lines of someone with like 600+. They still contribute, but just because they dont post more than once a day doesnt mean they arent here. I didnt mean someone with 150 posts... Then we couldnt tell how they would do, but I think 600 or around there would work.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I agree that they don't need to be 1000 posts + users, but I don't think we need to search specifically for 600 post users. If someone DOES have a lot of posts and fits the bill, that's cool. And if someone has 700 posts and fits the bill, that's good too. But I don't see the point behind SEARCHING specifically for 600 post users.

[karmapolice]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I agree that they don't need to be 1000 posts + users, but I don't think we need to search specifically for 600 post users. If someone DOES have a lot of posts and fits the bill, that's cool. And if someone has 700 posts and fits the bill, that's good too. But I don't see the point behind SEARCHING specifically for 600 post users.

That was just a random number I picked... I was just giving my general idea... That I didnt meant a person who has barely any posts.

[JSweeney]

Newbies roasting over constant flames
CheapyD from Japan making posts
VS threads posters preaching to the choir
And folks calling Moxio a homo...

Everybody knows a deal thread and some mail in rebates
Help to make the season bright
Threads on tots set the frontpage aglow
Making the board so busy tonight

They know that CheapyD's on his way
He's loading up another Cagcast to post today...
And every OTTer guy, is gonna spy
To see if Angellic Lulu's next post makes her sound bi...

And so I'm offering this simple phrase
To Cags with postscounts from 1 to more than 19,042.
Although it's posted many times, on many days
Merry Christmas to you.

[Moxio]

Or better yet, you can use our very own PM system. ;)

PM works if they're on CAG, but if they're not, then you've got to hit them with a message in their face. ;)

[karmapolice]

I really wish cheapy would PM me back with his thoughts on this issue... Ive PM'd him twice (once yesterday and a follow-up PM today) and no answer.

[thagoat]

Newbies roasting over constant flames
CheapyD from Japan making posts
VS threads posters preaching to the choir
And folks calling Moxio a homo...

Everybody knows a deal thread and some mail in rebates
Help to make the season bright
Threads on tots set the frontpage aglow
Making the board so busy tonight

They know that CheapyD's on his way
He's loading up another Cagcast to post today...
And every OTTer guy, is gonna spy
To see if Angellic Lulu's next post makes her sound bi...

And so I'm offering this simple phrase
To Cags with postscounts from 1 to more than 19,042.
Although it's posted many times, on many days
Merry Christmas to you.
i can feel the ice around my heart starting to melt. thank you, kind sir and a merry christmas to you as well.

[GizmoGC]

Why not force all new members (less then 100 posts) to only be allowed to create 1 new thread a day, and only make a certain amount of replys(like 10)? This would not only limit the amount of rehashed threads, but also stop spammers who post the same thread in 5-6 forums?

The problem is people are simply not using the damn search function. We get someone who feels the need to start a new thread, and dosn't even bother looking down 5-10 posts to see the same thing has already been posted and usually answered by several other members.

Another idea, which has been mentioned in this thread, is to make a thread in the Bragging forums about bitching about there store experience. I already created one long ago about employees bitching about customers, do the same for customers bitching about employees. We already get 3-5 posts a day about how much EB SUCKS!!! or GAMESTOP BLOWS!!! just make a SINGLE thread, and that way it will stop the clutter, and there won't be so much attacking as to what goes on now.

[GizmoGC]

Oh, and in regards to the OP, and the thread he is mentioning, it should have been locked a long time ago. The simple fact that the OP of that thread chose not to search, or even look in the forum for the ten other posts concerning it....is just amazing. Its like posting 'did you know the xbox 360 is going for alot on ebay', yes, WE KNOW.

[ph33r m3]

I really wish cheapy would PM me back with his thoughts on this issue... Ive PM'd him twice (once yesterday and a follow-up PM today) and no answer.

What's he gonna say? "Why yes, I will tell the whole of CAG to stop picking on bitches who make stupid topics about how their new".

[RAMSTORIA]

Why not force all new members (less then 100 posts) to only be allowed to create 1 new thread a day, and only make a certain amount of replys(like 10)? This would not only limit the amount of rehashed threads, but also stop spammers who post the same thread in 5-6 forums?

The problem is people are simply not using the damn search function. We get someone who feels the need to start a new thread, and dosn't even bother looking down 5-10 posts to see the same thing has already been posted and usually answered by several other members.

Another idea, which has been mentioned in this thread, is to make a thread in the Bragging forums about bitching about there store experience. I already created one long ago about employees bitching about customers, do the same for customers bitching about employees. We already get 3-5 posts a day about how much EB SUCKS!!! or GAMESTOP BLOWS!!! just make a SINGLE thread, and that way it will stop the clutter, and there won't be so much attacking as to what goes on now.

the problem is, some newbies have good questions that arent written like they are 3 years old and actually warrant more than X amount of responses. and yeah, they dont use the search forum, but many many people (myself included) have rushed to make a new thread, only to be Scorch'd

[RAMSTORIA]

What's he gonna say? "Why yes, I will tell the whole of CAG to stop picking on bitches who make stupid topics about how their new".

i think he meant in regards to the welcome pm idea and a welcome sub forum or sticky thread

[ph33r m3]

i think he meant in regards to the welcome pm idea and a welcome sub forum or sticky thread

Why do you need it? It's fucking retarded. Your new, great, sit down, read a thread, input a smart opinion, and stfu. There ya go. Everyone start's new, you don't go OMFG I'M N3W LOOK AT MEEEEEEEE shit, most of the New Users just signed up for the VG Deals forum and found this site more interesting than they'd thought it'd be.

[GizmoGC]

the problem is, some newbies have good questions that arent written like they are 3 years old and actually warrant more than X amount of responses. and yeah, they dont use the search forum, but many many people (myself included) have rushed to make a new thread, only to be Scorch'd

Yes, SOME, but not all. If they are limited to 1 new thread and 10 responses in a day, they would be a normal member with the ability just like everyone else in 2 weeks. Seems fair to keep this place a bit more civilized and less cluttered.

[priest_ridden]

Well one good reason for a welcome/newbie forum would also be to get people to contribute more to the boards. Kind of a way to help the whole community and protect the people that are truly new to the whole message board scene.

[karmapolice]

Why do you need it? It's fucking retarded. Your new, great, sit down, read a thread, input a smart opinion, and stfu. There ya go. Everyone start's new, you don't go OMFG I'M N3W LOOK AT MEEEEEEEE shit, most of the New Users just signed up for the VG Deals forum and found this site more interesting than they'd thought it'd be.

Is there really a reason for you to get this hostile over peoples opinions? Alot of us think that new comers need a place to get their bearings and get used to the site. Im glad to hear your opinion on the matter, but thats the kind of responses Im talking about. The hostile "OMG your so fucking stupid!" responses.

[karmapolice]

Cheapy replied and said he read through part of it and would give me his thoughts after he read through all of it.

[ph33r m3]

Is there really a reason for you to get this hostile over peoples opinions? Alot of us think that new comers need a place to get their bearings and get used to the site. Im glad to hear your opinion on the matter, but thats the kind of responses Im talking about. The hostile "OMG your so fucking stupid!" responses.

I'm not saying your stupid, i'm not just saying it doesn't really take a fucking genius to understand this website. It's simple and easy. You got your New Topic, Threads, Search Function, etc..

I'm not hostile on anyone's opinions it's just I find it stupid that this is even talked about, you wanna rant on a public forum your going to get a response.

[markholladay]

I agree with the op. There have been many occasions where I have felt true sadness for a newbie that has joined the board and immediatly been slammed. I cannot fathom why people want to do this. That link for the person posting about the XBOX 360 recall is such a good example. what is wrong with some of the posters. Why could you have not just said a normal answer. If you met someone on the street I doubt if they asked you a questions you would just say "lick my taint" And if you did, what is wrong with you?

That is ridiculously ignorant to say something like that. Why say that?

I remember when i started here I started a thread asking a question. And I was not familiar with the edit button. So I made another post right under a previous one of mine. Then someone came on, said something about how that was stupid of me to do that. And then the whole thread was about that and I never got my question answered.

Is it so hard to act in a hospitable manner?

[thagoat]

I remember when i started here I started a thread asking a question. And I was not familiar with the edit button. So I made another post right under a previous one of mine. Then someone came on, said something about how that was stupid of me to do that. And then the whole thread was about that and I never got my question answered.


But you learned how to post didn't you? you probably never did that again. there was a good lesson in that. thats what its all about. if youre being a dumbass, youre gonna hear about it. if youre being a smart ass, youre gonna hear about it. most people fall into one category or the other.

[Moxio]

But you learned how to post didn't you? you probably never did that again. there was a good lesson in that. thats what its all about. if youre being a dumbass, youre gonna hear about it. if youre being a smart ass, youre gonna hear about it. most people fall into one category or the other.

Yes, but why can't it be corrected nicely? Since when is the Internet about "tough love"?

[markholladay]

But you learned how to post didn't you? you probably never did that again. there was a good lesson in that. thats what its all about. if youre being a dumbass, youre gonna hear about it. if youre being a smart ass, youre gonna hear about it. most people fall into one category or the other.

I did learn yes, but why did it have to be in a mean way? I also learned that it seemed that this board was mostly rude people. But I know now that it is not everybody.

And as far as people either being a smart ass or a dumb ass I wish it was that simple.

I still think that it would serve the board as a whole better if flaming was handled in a better fashion.

[bmulligan]

...If you met someone on the street I doubt if they asked you a questions you would just say "lick my taint" And if you did, what is wrong with you?

...


actually, I waited most of my adult life for some woman to say that to me. Still haven't found her.

[Don Chubo]

I can appreciate this thread. I don't post hardly ever here because too many ppl act like imperious cocks when they are in a position of knowing more than someone else. It's really nothing to blow your wad about anyway - no one in the real world is going to respect anyone because they are a forum quasi-badass. :roll:

[karmapolice]

I can appreciate this thread. I don't post hardly ever here because too many ppl act like imperious cocks when they are in a position of knowing more than someone else. It's really nothing to blow your wad about anyway - no one in the real world is going to respect anyone because they are a forum quasi-badass. :roll:

A first hand experience. This is what Im talking about. Good people that would love to be part of the community, but hold back because of the dicks that know "more".

[JimmieMac]

I remember when everyone honestly thought that an "ignore user" feature was the solution to all the problems, you give it to them, they still complain.

After all the suggestions here are taken and put into place, what will people complain about? Something.

[JimmieMac]

Also, you dudes ever check out the comments at Ben's Bargins (http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1133139920,40453,.shtml)? That site is a place your Mom would post and they get outta control. At least at CAG you know you're dealing with a bunch of kids and "young adults".

[Ikohn4ever]

I really dont CAG as that bad a place compared to other boards. I was part of Nintendo boards and posted there for a lil but it was like livin in candyland with too many fanboys that were blinded by Nintendo doin no wrong, and then there are the really bad sites which everyone knows about like Gamefaqs. I find CAG is the nice medium, there are some assholes and there are some good people, just like life. Some people need to be less dicks and others need to be less sensitive, and everyone needs to grow up.

[MorPhiend]

Like Trakan said. It's crazy to think that buddies get promoted around here. I think the opposite is true. The mods are mostly people who were real useful users who then became friends after having something in common (they were given a responsibility). Honestly, would you rather have a bunch of mods who didn't see eye to eye or hated each other? Then you would have something like the terrible conditions of the n-sider boards or something (sure, things are kept clean over there, but it is an authoritarian rule with no second chances and all the mods constantly argue through PM and half of them can't stand the others). N-sider is a miserable place to post. I think it's wonderful that we can have a community where people can find something in common and become so close knit as our mods are. I just wish that the general user base would do the same thing. But as long as people are as nasty as they are to newcomers, it is impossible.

And gizmo, yes it would be nice if everyone could use the search to it's fullest potential. But they can't. That's how it is. Besides, I've seen many repeat threads were the OP gets flamed, and the link to the original is title something like "Oh wowzerz!!! Look at this now!!!" Sorry, but even if using the search, I'm not going to look into every ambiguous title...

And I agree that Scorch would be a superb mod. It's not like he doesn't do more than most mods as it is. I also think that Rig could have potential as a mod. He's one of the nicest and most informative guys on these boards. (Although I think one would have to be crazy to accept being a mod, someone's gotta do it.)



P.S. As has already been stated, modding is a thankless job as it is. Please don't ever rip on the job they do or the way their business is handled again. Our mods are some of the greatest I have ever seen on any boards. While there may be a time where an individual instance needs to be brought up, if there is not a specific problem, don't complain. I'd like to see most of us try to do any better.

[CheapyD]

If someone wants to create a newbie guide, I'd be happy to include in the welcome email that gets sent out when you register.

EDIT: In addition, it might be possible/feasible to have a special Newbie forum than only newbies & mods (and perhaps some designated "welcome wagon" CAGs) can access.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to base the ranks on join date without making myself nuts.

[Moxio]

I've started one up. :)

[judyjudyjudy]

EDIT: In addition, it might be possible/feesible to have a special Newbie forum than only newbies & mods (and perhaps some designated "welcome wagon" CAGs) can access.I don't really get what would be the point of a newbie forum. Would there just be a bunch of "hey, welcome me!" threads? I think most newbies don't need to bring attention to themselves, and if they do, they usually do it in the off-topic forum anyway (which seems appropriate). If it's to avoid excessive flaming, shouldn't the entire site not have excessive flaming anyways?

I do like the idea of a welcome email/PM and more mods, though.

[CheapyMom]

I guess the purpose would be to provide a relatively safe environment for new members to ask their questions while sparing the rest of the community having to deal with them (the questions not the newbies). Maybe this would help prevent some vets from going postal.

I agree with JJJ that excessive flaming (actually any flaming seems excessive to me) doesn't belong anywhere in this community but I'm told that it's a fact of life on boards. Still, I'd like to think that CAG could be a cut above the norm but maybe it's not possible. It would be a worthy goal to shoot for I think.

[greendj27]

If someone wants to create a newbie guide, I'd be happy to include in the welcome email that gets sent out when you register.

EDIT: In addition, it might be possible/feasible to have a special Newbie forum than only newbies & mods (and perhaps some designated "welcome wagon" CAGs) can access.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to base the ranks on join date without making myself nuts.

I can see regular posters from the site just creating another account to be able to read the welcome forum then. Might not happen, but its possible.

As for the welcome message, it seems like a great idea. I do think there is a need for more mods though, too. I"ve seen a number of times when there are no mods on and you get spammers going crazy and things getting a little out of hand in other places, but then people edit their posts and are not dealt with.

[SpottedNigel]

That seems to be on the right track (applause)

[Moxio]

I've created a rough draft. Those interested in contributing, please contact me via PM or AIM. I'll show any who is interested the draft and am eager for criticism and contributions.

[WhipSmartBanky]

I don't really get what would be the point of a newbie forum. Would there just be a bunch of "hey, welcome me!" threads? I think most newbies don't need to bring attention to themselves, and if they do, they usually do it in the off-topic forum anyway (which seems appropriate). If it's to avoid excessive flaming, shouldn't the entire site not have excessive flaming anyways?

I do like the idea of a welcome email/PM and more mods, though.
Problem is in the definition of "excessive flaming" - a simple wisecrack to you or me could be the end of somebody's e-feelings. I made a topic about that a long time ago, I think...

[greendj27]

Problem is in the definition of "excessive flaming" - a simple wisecrack to you or me could be the end of somebody's e-feelings. I made a topic about that a long time ago, I think...

I agree, which is why my opinion is that adding more mods is a better way to go. At least that way flaming would not get as out of control.

There will always be some flaming. The idea is to not let it get out of hand.

[SpottedNigel]

Problem is in the definition of "excessive flaming" - a simple wisecrack to you or me could be the end of somebody's e-feelings. I made a topic about that a long time ago, I think...

Yes you did. And now you invite everyone to a BBQ!!!1!. See, you got nicer.

[WhipSmartBanky]

I agree, which is why my opinion is that adding more mods is a better way to go. At least that way flaming would not get as out of control.

There will always be some flaming. The idea is to not let it get out of hand.
A simple tutorial on how to use "Report Bad Post" (inclusive of Led's "what is and is not a bad post" topic) and "Add User To Your Ignore List" should be all that's needed, IMHO.

[greendj27]

A simple tutorial on how to use "Report Bad Post" (inclusive of Led's "what is and is not a bad post" topic) and "Add User To Your Ignore List" should be all that's needed, IMHO.

It seems like a good idea, but how many members now don't use the button when its needed or at all for that matter.

I don't think there should be a ton of new mods, but a few would be helpful. As I mentioned earlier, it would cut down on times when there are no mods online to act on a reported post or other problem.

[zewone]

Add "Add User to Your Ignore List" to the drop down menu when you click someone's name instead of "Add User to Your Buddy List". It will be much more efficient.

[evilmax17]

A simple tutorial on how to use "Report Bad Post" (inclusive of Led's "what is and is not a bad post" topic) and "Add User To Your Ignore List" should be all that's needed, IMHO.
I think you overrate the effectiveness of the "Report Bad Post" button.

Edit: Also, the "Ignore list" feature is too poorly executed to be used effectively. Instead of ignoring the intended user, it merely shields their post with a big flag that says "So and so just posted, and he is ignored." It's not like you get to forget about their existance, as you would imply. Every time somebody on your ignore list posts, you get to see that eye sore, which becomes more annoying than the content that you were originally trying to ignore. Fix the feature, then maybe we'll talk (assuming it's even plausable to fix propperly).
</edit>

Also, about Led's "what is and is not a bad post" topic, this is an example of my point about "better selection of mods", or "different selection of mods". I'm not saying that Led is a bad mod, but that whole topic devolved into Led + co flaming anybody who misreported a topic. We want less flaming as a whole on this board, and we have mods doing it. What does that say?

You offer the suggestion of tutorials for how to use these features, but honestly, how many people read tutorials/FAQs/sticky threads/TOSs? And even then, you're using that as an excuse to flame them if they don't follow these things flawlessly. "WHY DID YOU REPORT THAT POST! DIDN'T YOU READ THE FAQ NOOOOOB!?"

Instead of giving excuses to the abusors and blaming the victims, why not just cut the abuse off at the root?

[zewone]

Instead of giving excuses to the abusors and blaming the victims, why not just cut the abuse off at the root?
More bannings? I'm definately up for that. :bouncy:

[thagoat]

So.
Who have I recently shit-listed?...

VGM was a dick.
U2k is a fucking moron.
Omega2 was a douche.
Lina was a bitch.
Slidecage is semi-retarded.
Sequoia was a post-whore.
Sikz de Nye created that thread.
And after seeing that 360 thread, ThaGoat is on it too.


high fives! i made "the list"

[WhipSmartBanky]

I think you overrate the effectiveness of the "Report Bad Post" button.

Edit: Also, the "Ignore list" feature is too poorly executed to be used effectively. Instead of ignoring the intended user, it merely shields their post with a big flag that says "So and so just posted, and he is ignored." It's not like you get to forget about their existance, as you would imply. Every time somebody on your ignore list posts, you get to see that eye sore, which becomes more annoying than the content that you were originally trying to ignore. Fix the feature, then maybe we'll talk (assuming it's even plausable to fix propperly).
</edit>

Also, about Led's "what is and is not a bad post" topic, this is an example of my point about "better selection of mods", or "different selection of mods". I'm not saying that Led is a bad mod, but that whole topic devolved into Led + co flaming anybody who misreported a topic. We want less flaming as a whole on this board, and we have mods doing it. What does that say?

You offer the suggestion of tutorials for how to use these features, but honestly, how many people read tutorials/FAQs/sticky threads/TOSs? And even then, you're using that as an excuse to flame them if they don't follow these things flawlessly. "WHY DID YOU REPORT THAT POST! DIDN'T YOU READ THE FAQ NOOOOOB!?"

Instead of giving excuses to the abusors and blaming the victims, why not just cut the abuse off at the root?
:roll:

[WhipSmartBanky]

More bannings? I'm definately up for that. :bouncy:
Because bannings are so effective, with proxies and dynamic IPs and all... ;)

[greendj27]

high fives! i made "the list"

And that's the main reason why the list is a problem.

[woobacca]

I'm starting to have second thoughts about the special newbies only forum. I'm afraid once you create it, there will be even less tolerance in the other forums for newbie mistakes. The flames will change from "READ THE FAQS NOOBER!!!" to "GO BACK TO THE NOOB FORUM!!!" Let's stick with the welcome email idea.

[thagoat]

I'm starting to have second thoughts about the special newbies only forum. I'm afraid once you create it, there will be even less tolerance in the other forums for newbie mistakes. The flames will change from "READ THE FAQS NOOBER!!!" to "GO BACK TO THE NOOB FORUM!!!" Let's stick with the welcome email idea.
i applaud your effort in welcoming noobs, but i dont know about the email thing. i know whenver i get a pre-generated email, it ends up in the trash or the spam filter catches it. as soon as i see "welcome to.." i hit delete. i think we should hire strippers to welcome newbies with the proceeds of this site. you know,"give back to the community" we'll start a cheap ass stripper fund. yeah, thats the ticket.

[Starwishi]

I'm glad that someone noticed all the hate that was being generated toward the "newbies." I remember not too long ago someone wrote something really rude and nasty to me just because I started a thread that so-called already existed. Its funny how bold people are over the internet, but they can never say those things when they're face-to-face with someone. I just wanna say thanx to all the people that are understanding to what its like to be a newbie.



P. S.- how many post do u have to have in order to "graduate" from newbie?

[woobacca]

i applaud your effort in welcoming noobs, but i dont know about the email thing. i know whenver i get a pre-generated email, it ends up in the trash or the spam filter catches it. as soon as i see "welcome to.." i hit delete. i think we should hire strippers to welcome newbies with the proceeds of this site. you know,"give back to the community" we'll start a cheap ass stripper fund. yeah, thats the ticket.
I think when someone is actually taking the time to register on a board, they should expect some kind of introductory email and not automatically delete it. Or at least check the spam/bulk folder for emails from a new/unrecognized sender. Maybe your point is that the same guys who don't take the time to check their emails will also not take the time to read a board's FAQ before posting away.

[thagoat]

I think when someone is actually taking the time to register on a board, they should expect some kind of introductory email and not automatically delete it. Or at least check the spam/bulk folder for emails from a new/unrecognized sender. Maybe your point is that the same guys who don't take the time to check their emails will also not take the time to read a board's FAQ before posting away.
just speakin for myself, i get about 100 spams a day, so im not checking through it all. i dump it. i know i wouldn't read it, but others might.

[woobacca]

P. S.- how many post do u have to have in order to "graduate" from newbie?I haven't seen this in any FAQ; it might be worth putting in there. It's
0 - Cheap Ass Newbie
100 - Cheap Ass Regular
300 - Cheap Ass Veteran
500 - Cheap Ass All-Star
1000 - You can make your own

just speakin for myself, i get about 100 spams a day, so im not checking through it all. i dump it. i know i wouldn't read it, but others might.Damn that's a lot of spam.

[fullhavok]

I'm so glad someone started this thread!

[Moxio]

Because bannings are so effective, with proxies and dynamic IPs and all... ;)

True. It is unbelievably easy to get by even IP bans.

Bans won't solve problems for those who are interested in "revenge" and have even a little computer knowledge.

[worx]

Hm... my $.02 -

- I try not to flame new guys unless its a blatantly stupid topic and they obviously joined just to be a douche
- Like the idea of the newbie email
thats it, I really try not to think after midnight

[JSweeney]

More bannings? I'm definately up for that. :bouncy:

That would only work if all the mods were on the same page.
History suggests that is not the case.

[Moxio]

So far Karma, Crash, and myself have contributed to the Newbie Guide. If anyone wishes to help, please PM any of the three of us or IM us.

[thagoat]

Damn that's a lot of spam.yes, ive considered investing in spam.

[Mr.Answer]

just speakin for myself, i get about 100 spams a day, so im not checking through it all. i dump it. i know i wouldn't read it, but others might.

Dude get a filter.

[thagoat]

Dude get a filter.
thats whats in my filter.

[Mr.Answer]

thats whats in my filter.


You read your filter spam?