This is too much already.

[Scrubking]

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040517-124753-4682r.htm

In a nutshell: Basically some mexicans decided to cross the desert and illegaly enter the US. Along the way some of them died from the desert trip and now they are sueing the US government for not providing water for them to drink on their way to enter our country illegaly. They blame the US for their deaths and want millions.

The part that pisses me off the most is that this case is actually being heard by a judge and he is giving them time to make a case. WTF?

[PsyClerk]

Don't worry about it, I've already dispatched death squads to take care of this 'problem.'

Who's up for burritos tonight?

[jmcc]

Don't worry about it, I've already dispatched death squads to take care of this 'problem.'

Who's up for burritos tonight?

If I've learned nothing else from the documentary, "Desperado," it's that if you're a death squad going after someone of a latino ethnicity you need to be cautious if they're carrying any suspicious guitar cases or are dressed as a mariachi performer. You'd do well to communicate that to your death squad.

[PsyClerk]

My death squad IS dressed like a mariachi band. They'll never see them coming...

"How about a song?"

"Why of course, we shall play...Tap Dancing To Your DOOM!"

[Firebrand]

There are many obstacles to overcome. Scapegoating easy targets is exactly what I expect from humans.

Don't examine the situation on such a superficial level.

[WildWop]

Was one of them scalded by McDonald's coffee (that they were balancing on their head, of course) that was "too hot"? That would definitely be a valid lawsuit in this dumbass country.

[danny-o]

Shoot to kill at the border. thats the only way to keep these welfare suckers away.

[CTLesq]

Was one of them scalded by McDonald's coffee (that they were balancing on their head, of course) that was "too hot"? That would definitely be a valid lawsuit in this dumbass country.

Don't push the McDonald's coffee issue, like 95% of America, when you bring that issue up you don't know what the shaq-fu you are talking about.

This is just as bad:

Immigrant Voters Could Change Election Landscapes

Monday, May 17, 2004
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

WASHINGTON — A scattered movement growing across the country would buck decades of conventional wisdom and allow non-citizens the right to vote in local elections, a move that proponents say would give immigrants the ability to directly impact government in their communities.

"We’re a stronger society as a whole if we have a good quality of life and everyone participates," said Ron Hayduk, political science professor at the City College of New York and a supporter of the movement.

"There is a greater likelihood that our representatives will be responsible to everybody," Hayduk told Foxnews.com. "This is a mechanism to make sure they are held accountable."

Critics, however, dismiss the idea. They say the right to vote is a sacred privilege and responsibility of the American citizen. Giving voting rights (search) to non-Americans "just fundamentally cheapens citizenship," said Steven Camerota, director of the Center for Immigration Studies (search).

Currently, five municipalities in Maryland, including Takoma Park, a suburb of the nation’s capital, allow non-citizens a vote in local elections. The city of Chicago also allows non-citizens access to board of education elections.

Efforts are also under way across the country to change local and state laws. Activists in cities like Hartford, Conn.; Washington, D.C; San Francisco, Calif.; and Los Angeles, Calif.; and in states such as Colorado, New Jersey, North Carolina and Texas, have been pushing for policy changes for some time, said Hayduk.

The municipalities of Amherst, Mass., and Cambridge, Mass., actually passed laws in 2003 opening access to voting to immigrants, but they have yet to get the state approval to move them forward.

Possibly the biggest effort is in New York City, where folks like Hayduk are rallying behind legislation that would open up local elections to at least one million legal immigrants there.

"It’s really frustrating to be part of a community and be told that you don’t matter," said Michele Wucker of the World Policy Institute (search), which has joined dozens of community-based advocates, labor unions, immigrant groups and local officials in New York to press the issue.

Until the wave of immigration led to a narrowing of voting rights in the 1920s, 22 states and territories allowed non-citizens to vote in local, state and even congressional elections, said Rob Richie, executive director of the Center for Voting and Democracy in Takoma Park. New York, in fact, allowed non-citizens to vote in school board elections until two years ago, when the local school boards across the city were dissolved in favor of a centralized system.

"I think it is a very important conversation to have. It would be a big mistake for people to reject it out of hand — it’s part of our history," said Richie.

Each state has the right to craft its own voting laws.

Opponents say the effort to get immigrant voting rights is a cynical way of cultivating Democratic Party votes, since immigrants and minorities are often more likely to vote Democratic than Republican.

"They see (immigrants) as likely Democratic voters," said Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation of American Immigration Reform, which favors stricter immigration laws. "Clearly, their motivation is to get these people to the polls."

Hayduk adds that critics who wish to assign partisan motives to the immigrant voting rights movement are missing the point.

"It’s not clear where their (immigrants) hearts and minds are, they are not a monolithic group," he said, calling current policy blocking immigrants from the vote "taxation without representation."

Their argument is that millions of non-citizens pay taxes, send their children to public schools and serve in the military.

"What’s the danger, what’s the threat?" asked Richie. "I think the burden of proof should be on those denying franchise."

Supporters and critics both acknowledge that no evidence suggests that the approximately 10 million non-citizens of voting age would take advantage in large numbers if they were given the right to vote.

In Takoma Park, for example, where about 77 percent of the population of 18,000 is of voting age, about 450 non-citizens have registered to vote, and turnout among this group is typically low, Richie said.

Despite initial opposition from Mayor Michael Bloomberg in New York over non-citizens voting, activists there say they hope to wake a "sleeping giant" of existing voters to go out and support such a movement. Members of the city council are currently drafting bills for the state legislature.

Wucker said immigrants — especially those waiting in the backlog of citizenship, sometimes for as long as 10 years — are eager to participate in the election process.

"The time when people who are most excited about coming to a new community and learning about it is when they get here," she said. "You don’t want to lose that crucial opportunity."

But Robert de Posada, spokesman for the Washington, D.C-based Latino Coalition, doesn’t buy it. He said immigrants understand the tiered system of living in the United States, and that voting is a privilege one earns as a citizen.

"There have to be special rights that citizens have that other immigrants who haven’t yet decided to become citizens shouldn’t have," he said.

"The Constitution doesn’t say, ‘We the taxpayers,’ not even ‘We the residents,’" said Camerota. "It says ‘We the people.’"

[MrBadExample]

Shoot to kill at the border. thats the only way to keep these welfare suckers away.

Can we assume you're a Native American then?

[chickenhawk]

I didn't realize that Desperado was a documentary!! :D

[PsyClerk]

Shoot to kill at the border. thats the only way to keep these welfare suckers away.

Can we assume you're a Native American then?

Why? Does the name 'Danny-O' sound like a casino pit boss?

[magilacudy]

There are many obstacles to overcome. Scapegoating easy targets is exactly what I expect from humans.

Don't examine the situation on such a superficial level.

I have to agree with Firebrand on this, its too easy for us to put some sort of blame on ethnic groups. To foreigners, suing to make millions might seem the "American way" to do things. I doubt they'll win the case though.

danny-o? If I'm not mistaken, single white mothers are the largest group of 'welfare suckers' in the US. Also, your name, Danny-O, sounds Irish. The Irish had their own discrimination for almost the same reasons the Mexicans were not even 200 years ago - maybe just a bit of irony.

Reading your post I imagine you jumping into the pile like that South Park episode.

[WhipSmartBanky]

"Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T?"

[eshbums]

"Desperado"? Why don't you come to your senses? :)

[danny-o]

Shoot to kill at the border. thats the only way to keep these welfare suckers away.

Can we assume you're a Native American then?

I am. Im white. We came here and washed away the former natives here and made it our own country with blood and sweat. Now it seems as though we are the ones getting drowned out.

[PsyClerk]

One of these days I'll upload a graphic of the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four so I can post it whenever I want.

Insert Human Torch screaming "FLAME ON!" here.

[MrBadExample]

loss...for...words...
ignorance...overpowering...rational...thought...th ought...

I hope you're still a tween, otherwise school has failed you miserably. My advice is to learn history.

[danny-o]

loss...for...words...
ignorance...overpowering...rational...thought...th ought...

I hope you're still a tween, otherwise school has failed you miserably. My advice is to learn history.


school failed to teach truth and filled me with propaganda. Races cant co-exist.

[SatchmoKhan]

The Mexican immigrants dying in the desert is very sad, but this topic isn't inherently racist if you look at it in terms of any illegal immigrant suing our government for not facilitating their illegal entry.

It would be just as ridiculous if the relatives of some Canadians were suing the government for people dying on their way down through the Rockies.

[Wshakspear]

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ultimategallery/images/humantorch/Human_Torch2.jpg
FLAME ON!

Brought to you by the comic book guy

[WhipSmartBanky]

http://www.atari.net/sites/banky/evaep10.jpg

[PsyClerk]

Close enough to what I was thinking of. Carry on.

[doraemonkerpal]

loss...for...words...
ignorance...overpowering...rational...thought...th ought...

I hope you're still a tween, otherwise school has failed you miserably. My advice is to learn history.


school failed to teach truth and filled me with propaganda. Races cant co-exist.


LMAO, you're so ignorant it's making me sick. races can't co-exist? hello? have you ever been outside of your barn? people of different races co-exist everyday! are you blind? can you deny the interracial couples out there? :roll:

school filled you with propoganda... i wonder who is feeding you the "hate" propoganda?

[SneakyPenguin]

Damnit I really hate the judicial system. Innocent are put in prison and the guilty go free. God Bless America.

P.S. I'm not anti-American. I love America. It's just sometimes i hate the people in it.

[Steggy]

are you fucking kidding me? They wanna mooch off our rich asses, and end up dieing. Thats there own fucking fault. I have no respect for people like this that expect a free ride, and the fact they have the audacity to try to sure the gov't for not giving them water... thats bullshit.

[Ledhed]

Man, this is makin' me thirsty. I think I'll call my lawyer...

[KingDox]

blah all you people who hate imigrants better never stay at a hotel, eat at a resturant or buy produce from the supermarket. Face it Lots of US industries are built on the back of these working poor. So don't go spouting off your hate just because your too blind to see the bigger picture.

[snotknocker]

loss...for...words...
ignorance...overpowering...rational...thought...th ought...

I hope you're still a tween, otherwise school has failed you miserably. My advice is to learn history.


school failed to teach truth and filled me with propaganda. Races cant co-exist.

"Races can't co-exist" is the most feeble minded piece of pure shit post that I've ever seen on this site. You're a real winner. Go away piss ant.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

[TomCloud9]

If they didnt have a green card i say , out of sight out of mind. Dig a nice big hole and forget about it.

[snotknocker]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

I think you are taking the statement out of context. Racism is not the issue.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

I think you are taking the statement out of context. Racism is not the issue.

He says that races can't co exist. To get more to the point of my post, you should read the last sentence in order to take it in context with the previous posts. Then perhaps you will understand.

[snotknocker]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

I think you are taking the statement out of context. Racism is not the issue.

He says that races can't co exist. To get more to the point of my post, you should read the last sentence in order to take it in context with the previous posts. Then perhaps you will understand.

I don't get to what certain extent he is right. he is saying "cant coexist"

[doraemonkerpal]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

I think you are taking the statement out of context. Racism is not the issue.

He says that races can't co exist. To get more to the point of my post, you should read the last sentence in order to take it in context with the previous posts. Then perhaps you will understand.

I don't get to what certain extent he is right. he is saying "cant coexist"

deadzone, did you even read danny-o's past posts. this guy is blatantly racist. he gave a link to a white supremecist website and a link to a "whitelaw" game!

[jlarlee]

"Hello and welcome to the illegal entry to the USA portal #1. Refreshments for today's activity are brought to you by the Coca Cola company. If you feel tired please rest at one of our rest areas."

To me this issue is simple these people were doing something illegal. Race does not matter. What's next drug dealers suing over poor working conditions or a a murderer suing his victim because his blood spattered on his brand new suit? they deserve no protection under our law system because they were doing something illegal

[doraemonkerpal]

"Hello and welcome to the illegal entry to the USA portal #1. Refreshments for today's activity are brought to you by the Coca Cola company. If you feel tired please rest at one of our rest areas."

To me this issue is simple these people were doing something illegal. Race does not matter. What's next drug dealers suing over poor working conditions or a a murderer suing his victim because his blood spattered on his brand new suit? they deserve no protection under our law system because they were doing something illegal

what i'm writing only refer's to danny-o's posts and not the op's. :)

[Steggy]

they should stick to picking fruit in there own country...

[JSweeney]

blah all you people who hate imigrants better never stay at a hotel, eat at a resturant or buy produce from the supermarket. Face it Lots of US industries are built on the back of these working poor. So don't go spouting off your hate just because your too blind to see the bigger picture.

What do you mean? Like the Irish?
It's not like this is a new thing.

[PsyClerk]

He's right, to a certain extent. Any black person can argue that blacks are not treated as fairly as white Some white men still have a grudge against them, or don't look at them in the same light as us white folks. Why? Because we're just so damned self-centered and egotistical, and conceited. It might not happen in our awareness, but it sure does un-consciously and not only does it offend black men, but they feel like they're inferior to whites. It's our smug way about how we hold ourselves, our heads grow with all this talk and we walk with a certain of light-heartedness like we're better then everyone else, like black people, and every other race. It wasn't nearly as bad as the 1800's obviously, but racism is still lingering around the US, whether it's blatantly obvious or mildly showing. Races certainly can co-exist, so his statement is somewhat false, yet they can't without complete absence of narcissism as is clearly shown even through every-day and casual talk to the other race.

Generalizations, especially when it comes to race, are bad. Always.

/irony

[beerguy961]

I would make a fairly racist joke involving water right now, but I want to stay somewhat correct...

[video_gamer324]

There's no reason those aliens should be denied water... provided it comes out of high-powered fire hoses.

[snotknocker]

Did you ever stop to wonder why?

Why would a group of oppressed povertized Mexicans shell out $1400 a head, (which is probably their life savings) trek 70 miles thru 115 degree desert heat with minimal water just to come to a country that will continue to oppress them or send them back to Mexico if their caught?

I think a lot of Americans are spoiled. Some take the simple freedoms that we have in this country for granted.

[bmulligan]

Why would a group of oppressed povertized Mexicans shell out $1400 a head, (which is probably their life savings) trek 70 miles thru 115 degree desert heat with minimal water just to come to a country that will continue to oppress them or send them back to Mexico if their caught?


I hate to say it but dumbasses like that deserve what they get. I don't have anything against Mexicans or mexico. I've spent mucho tiempo there. I have a problem with dumbasses.

So, anyone who decides to climb a barbed wire fence into your property should be granted full medical attention by you when they slice themselves to shreds? Or should they just be entitled to water? Or can we shoot them for tresspassing? I'm so confused.

Why didn't these people just apply for visas as tourists and then apply for welfare when they got to California like everyone else?

[x0thedeadzone0x]

Whoops. So I guess more to the point is that he's wrong. They can co-exist, but... *see last sentence on previous post*

there. hope i cleared it up for you. ;)

[magilacudy]

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ultimategallery/images/humantorch/Human_Torch2.jpg
FLAME ON!

Brought to you by the comic book guy

Is that Jim Lee artwork, 'cuz that's always a good thing.

I'm going to throw this out there, since no one mentioned it. The preamble to the Constitution says something about 'inalienable human rights'. Maybe our Founding Fathers shot themselves in the foot with that part, but those individuals who are suing are still human, and having water to drink is a necessity for survival for any being. If taken in that respect, the legality of the matter is negligible. Criminals still have rights as well, limited as they may be. I'm interested how this case will turn out because it will set some precedence.

As for the OP, that wasn't inherently racist (I hope not anyway), but I'm just waiting for danny-o to freudian slip so his ass gets banned.

[SatchmoKhan]

Though it says all men have "inalienable rights" in the constitution, I don't think that means that the U.S. government is responsible for providing food, water, and shelter (all necessities for life) to everyone everywhere.

[Scrubking]

This reminds me of a case a while back where a thief broke into someone's house and got hurt in the process. He sued and and he won!

I don't remember all the details or if it was overturned, but it's stupid ass judges with no common sense that are empowering the criminal element in this country and promoting everything wrong.

As far as mexicans go - this country is run by business and businesses want cheap labor. Mexicans offer that and that is why the government is so lenient on the immigration policy in the middle of a war on terrorism where some arab with a nuke could just walk into our country.

Until WE THE PEOPLE start taking matters into our own hands and block the border on our own manpower nothing will ever get done.

[bignick]

This reminds me of a case a while back where a thief broke into someone's house and got hurt in the process. He sued and and he won!

I don't remember all the details or if it was overturned, but it's stupid ass judges with no common sense that are empowering the criminal element in this country and promoting everything wrong.

As far as mexicans go - this country is run by business and businesses want cheap labor. Mexicans offer that and that is why the government is so lenient on the immigration policy in the middle of a war on terrorism where some arab with a nuke could just walk into our country.

Until WE THE PEOPLE start taking matters into our own hands and block the border on our own manpower nothing will ever get done.

I'm %99.999 sure that it was overturned. Yup cheap labor.........

[PsyClerk]

I'm going to throw this out there, since no one mentioned it. The preamble to the Constitution says something about 'inalienable human rights'. Maybe our Founding Fathers shot themselves in the foot with that part, but those individuals who are suing are still human, and having water to drink is a necessity for survival for any being. If taken in that respect, the legality of the matter is negligible. Criminals still have rights as well, limited as they may be. I'm interested how this case will turn out because it will set some precedence.

I can see where you're coming from, however it's a little misguided. The people who died did so while performing an illegal act. The Constitution protects those who wish to live with a just and fair law. If you wish to break that law, you cannot reasonably expect that protection.

[bmulligan]

...having water to drink is a necessity for survival for any being. If taken in that respect, the legality of the matter is negligible. Criminals still have rights as well, limited as they may be. I'm interested how this case will turn out because it will set some precedence.


Sorry, criminals don't have rights too, or at least not to the extent that non law violaters do When you murder someone, you give up your right to freedom. And in some jurisdictions, your right to your own life.

Just because the constitution was written to protect our rights as individuals doesn't mean the government has the obligation to keep you alive. The implication is that you have a right to fend for yourself without interference. Next you'll be telling me the government should provide food and shelter and free transportation and education to all those who can't afford it, or refuse to provide it for themselves.

Sex is necessary for survival. Does that mean the government must provide you with a partner and diapers? If you say yes, I might have to reach into this computer and bitch-slap you.

[PsyClerk]

Sex is necessary for survival. Does that mean the government must provide you with a partner and diapers? If you say yes, I might have to reach into this computer and bitch-slap you.

The way government works, they would provide with a partner who WEARS diapers.

I'd hate to see welfare sex partners. GAAAH! DISTURBING MENTAL IMAGE!

/convulsions