Legallizzeee it

[Mono`]

http://www.marijuana-seeds-cannabis.com/images/hawaiian_marijuana.jpg

Don't lie, there must be some gamers out there that love to spark up before enjoying their games.

If not what do you think about it, I think it's a great way to relive stress and enjoy yourself. No it doesn't make you stupid unless you're inexperianced aka (wuss). It's traditional to hate it so I realise some of you that haven't tried it think people who use it are stoners or druggies. A strong arguement that isn't heard out is it's much safer than alchol.

Hurt you lungs? Yea yea yea, what about cigarettes, and plus you can also eat it.
http://www.marijuanavaporizerreviews.com/img/BC-Vaporizer.JPG
Technology has come far, this little buddy is called the vaporizer, you set your mix into the tray and it heats the ingrediants untill they are released but creating no smoke, that's why they call it vapor you're inhailing air.

:O~

[jmcc]

Counterpoint: we've already had this dumb topic several times. It's bad and you should feel bad.

[mykevermin]

it doesn't make you stupid unless you're inexperianced

:rofl:

[Strell]

I'm going to take my parents' word for it - people who have known stoners all their life, have done their share of drugs, lived through the 60s AND 70s, and experienced pretty much everything relevent to pop culture of America during those decades, and also who never sugar coat shit - when they say it, at the least, fucks up your ability to remember things. They have friends who don't remember them any better than what they had for breakfast. Kind of a scary thought.

Take that as you will. I still want to at least try it but meh. There's little evidence it is detrimental/beneficial outside of a lot of testimonial anecdotes, so until I feel like we've got a scientific basis on it, I'll approach with caution.

Have fun if you want I suppose. No argument from me.

[mtxbass1]

rofl. This now explains all of the OP's threads.

[Scorch]

If not what do you think about it, I think it's a great way to relive stress and enjoy yourself

I think people that smoke it every day are trash. I don't smoke it at all. I have a friend that lays around all day and smokes the shit 24/7 and I think she's absolute trash. I wouldn't tell her that, of course.

No it doesn't make you stupid unless you're inexperianced aka (wuss).

..just.. wow.

[Ikohn4ever]

i think its not bad in moderation at least on the same level of as alcohol and tobacco, if not healthier.

[Cornfedwb]

Wow, congratulations OP.. you are the first person I've decided was worth the effort to put on my ignore list.

[vherub]

I knew some guys in college who were a waste of space, doing drugs, smoking pot 6-7 times a day. The ones that put it past them after college cleaned up their acts, the others, remain wastes of space. One of my roommates now smokes up, often, especially when watching Eagles games-loves the vaporizer. By often I mean everyday, and on weekends several times each day.
He is fairly intelligent and he does not get stupid when he is high. BUT. He would be a smarter guy if he was not smoking, more on the ball, better able to focus, reason things out and problem solve. Better able to react and make decisions, better able to listen, carry a long conversation and be aware of the start, middle and the need for a resolution.

I don't see it being any safer than alcohol, especially if you think it is safe. Neither are safe, and both can potentially hurt yourself and those around you. If you are in relative control, you should be relatively fine, but control is also illusionary whenever you use any drug, illegal or not.
As far as whether gaming high makes you better, this is laughably false. If everyone I have gamed against while they are high (and most usually think they are better), tend to have tricked themselves into believing they are more focused, or less distracted. The truth is, it is infinitely easier to rattle someone who is high when you are gaming against them. Distractions, especially anything that would break a routine, becomes a huge advantadge. The newness of a situation, when you take someone out of their comfort zone, can be a disaster for the person who is high.

[the3rdkey]

I had a least 2 good friends that lost their IQs to pot. I think if you smoke it everyday like them your bound to be an idiot.

I have not touch the fuck in over a year and a half.

[javeryh]

Drugs are for losers.

[niceguyshawne]

Wow, congratulations OP.. you are the first person I've decided was worth the effort to put on my ignore list.


Didn't you just say that to someone the other day?

[Mono`]

8-)

[Matt Young]

I'm not even going to get into detail since I got shit on for asking about passing a drug testin August, but yeah, it should be legal. If people don't want to smoke it, I respect that, and there certainly are negative effects as a result of smoking, but those who bash the stuff are usually people who believe government issued propaganda and don't know the real facts.

As for loss of intelligence, I smoked for years and still am as sharp as ever.

I smoke maybe once a month now, if that, because it makes me tired and I just don't have much of a desrie to smoke anymore, but marijuana is less harmful than alcohol (which I love, hehe) and cigarettes, and the government could make a ton of money from selling it, so it should be legalized.

Pot doesn't ruin people's lives or make them stupid. The people who end up like that would have turned out that way, pot or no pot.

[camoor]

For a country that calls itself the "land of freedom", I find it interesting how greatly government propaganda and the culture of fear has influenced and shaped the general perception of non-prescription drugs in a relatively short timeframe. It's also telling that a government originally founded on the precept of offering individuals as much freedom from authoritarian influences as possible has recently seen fit to appoint a "drug czar". Add that to the fact that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, two of the most influential and heroic founding fathers, willingly partook in a relatively harmless recreational activity that would now land them in jail, and it's obvious that puritan and xenophobic legislation has significantly increased in the past century. Taken anecdotally, the results of this thread are rather dissappointing to any true advocate of freedom.

[jer7583]

i don't really care about it either way.. i'd rather get drunk.

[jmcc]

Jesus Christ, here we go...

[Msia]

This sounds more VS than Off Topic if you ask me.

[Matt Young]

Jesus Christ, here we go...

Heh, that's what I was thinking.

I've said my piece, but these debates never turn out well, and people aren't going to change their beliefs, so in the end it's just one big argument that only wastes time.

[Strell]

I If people don't want to smoke it, I respect that, but those who bash the stuff are usually ignorant fools who believe government issued propaganda and don't know the real facts.

But all the people who use it are just repeating the same thing their druggie friends told them in the first place.

Don't call people ignorant who choose to not use it. That instantly dispells you "respecting" that decision, which you say not 10 words prior.

There's no proof on either side of the story. None. As I said, it's all anecdotal. "Well I'm still sharp..." Ok. That's good for you. That doesn't speak anything about any possible effects that may result from continued usage. None. And all those stories and facts you can pull out - the same ones I've heard for years from other people on the internet - are suspect as well.

Same goes with all the defensive remarks - "WELL WHAT ABOUT CAFFEINE? AND ALCOHOL? THOSE R LEGAL N DANGROUS." That's not what we're discussing here, so please don't retort with something as hilariously weak as that.

The only problem I have with drug users is that they apparently have this huge beef with non-users and instantly attack at the slightest provocation. They're not alone though - people from other groups/organizations/associations do it as well, claiming those opposed "haven't seen the light" and other nonsense. I'm not going to name suspects but they aren't hard to divine.

It's amazing, really. Isn't this stuff supposed to calm you down? Then why all the brutish lashing out?

As for the previous topic months ago, did you honestly think you'd have a defense? You did drugs, you may have lost a job. There's no victim in that situation, unless you want to say the company you had applied to would have been wasting their time, and continue to waste their time weeding out people that they feel would be poor employees.

Haha, no pun intended.

[Maklershed]

I dare you to smoke and then watch Ren and Stimpy and not laugh .. IMPOSSIBLE!

[zman73]

I rarely did it in college years ago (had the stoner roomie who did it DAILY)... havent touched the stuff in over 12 years... i actually LIKE to have control of myself...

The worst was doing it one night... and realizing after I did, I didnt want to be stoned... the next half hour felt like 8 hours... and so on

Those who chain smoke and drink heavily are no better IMO

[battleroyal33]

Well lets see, Im 30 and Im a pothead, I have a regular 9 to 5 job, M-F, Have a house at the BEACH ( purchased, not renting, I do have a mortgage) have a decent car (04 accord) , run 2 miles 5 days a week( I know its not much but I hate running) and MMA train 4 days a week, 2 1/2 hours per class( thats were I get all my cardio from).. I smoke at least a bowl everyday ( dont do joints, in my opion its a waste) and guess what, Im fine, you would never even know I smoked unless I lit up right in front of you... I dont smoke cigs and only drink beer and thats normally just on the weekends. Weed is fine as long as you, wait for it,,, DO IT IN MODERATION and be responible about it.. dont go over board, dont wake and bake , treat it like drinking, there is a place and a time for it,, some people just dont grasp that concept and thats thier faults. Im not defending the OP or anything, I could careless if its legal or not because I will still get it when ever I want it, I just find it funny how everybody still thinks that anyone who smokes will become an idiot... and a FYI,, that vaporizer in the pic sucks, I have one I got out of Canada,, waste of $75, sticking to my bubbler...

[niceguyshawne]

those who bash the stuff are usually people who believe government issued propaganda and don't know the real facts.



You mean it doesn't fund the terrorists????

[javeryh]

I smoke at least a bowl everyday ... Weed is fine as long as you, wait for it,,, DO IT IN MODERATION and be responible about it...

hmmm... I can't be the only one confused by this can I?

[yeah-yeah]

The worst was doing it one night... and realizing after I did, I didnt want to be stoned... the next half hour felt like 8 hours... and so on

Oh, how I can relate to that statement. Icky.

[the3rdkey]

hmmm... I can't be the only one confused by this can I?

I am as well. Pot is bad and will remain evil for the rest of Earth time.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I find it laughable that the government can say that smoking something that grows naturally is a crime. This is a plant that has grown for thousands of years, previous civilizations have smoked it. How it (or any "illegal" drug) can be considered a crime is beyond me.

I love it when people say "I don't do drugs" when they smoke and drink on a regular basis. You are deluding yourself if you think you are "better" than someone who takes something which is considered illegal by our government. People drink and smoke to alter their mood (i.e. get "high") yet balk when someone fires up a joint for the exact same reason.

People can go to excess with anything. If someone smokes weed all day, every day, that person is overdoing it in the same way an alcoholic is. Smoking weed doesn't make anyone a loser any more than someone drinking a couple beers.

BTW, this is coming from someone who doesn't smoke at all. This is not a knee-jerk response from a pothead, it's just common sense, IMO.

[battleroyal33]

hmmm... I can't be the only one confused by this can I?


Come on, your a smart guy, you know exactly what Im saying, but lets try this then, treat it like drinking, having 1 or 2 drinks a day is ok for you( this is the moderation part) but a 6pk or more a day is bad, hence dont over do it.. same thing with weed,, smoking a bowl or 2 a day( I usually do it at night after work, class, ect) no problem there.. I think the problem occurs when you have someone who smokes constantly through out the day, before, during, after work/school and then comes home and continues all night long, now thats clearly not very good for you,

[javeryh]

Come on, your a smart guy, you know exactly what Im saying, but lets try this then, treat it like drinking, having 1 or 2 drinks a day is ok for you( this is the moderation part) but a 6pk or more a day is bad, hence dont over do it.. same thing with weed,, smoking a bowl or 2 a day( I usually do it at night after work, class, ect) no problem there.. I think the problem occurs when you have someone who smokes constantly through out the day, before, during, after work/school and then comes home and continues all night long, now thats clearly not very good for you,

A bowl or 2 a day just sounds excessive to me and it doesn't seem normal for someone to get high every single day.

[Strell]

smoking a bowl or 2 a day( I usually do it at night after work, class, ect) no problem there..

This is purely for my own curiousity and please do not take it as an attack/insult, as I have no ulterior motive and it's purely for my own knowledge:

If you theoretically couldn't smoke one day, would that cause you to go into withdrawel or anything like that? Or would you just shrug it off and not worry about it?

I think non-smokers are confused by your statement because you call it moderation. If someone doesn't drink a beer a day, for the most part they are going to be just fine.

Again, my question is not meant to sound insulting. It's just something I'm curious about, and I assure you I won't twist your answer into something negative or anything like that.

[Cornfedwb]

Didn't you just say that to someone the other day?

I've suggested people use the ignore list, the latest episode being one of U2K's threads. But no, this would be my first personal experience.

[Will]

Ive never smoked weed and prob never will, im too broke buying games. I will say that I firmly believe that weed is far less dangerous than reg cigs and beer etc etc. Call weed a gateway drug and you could say the same about beer. Get tired of beer, move up to liquor.

[Cornfedwb]

I find it laughable that the government can say that smoking something that grows naturally is a crime. This is a plant that has grown for thousands of years, previous civilizations have smoked it. How it (or any "illegal" drug) can be considered a crime is beyond me.

It took me a while to decide how to respond to this due to its inherent lack of logic or thought. But, murder has happened for thousands of years, previous civilizations have murdered, and since its done by people who are natural beings.. how can the government say its illegal?

The only underlying question is whether the government has the right to pass laws simply to protect us from ourselves. And since its been proven again and again and again by the highest court in our land that they do.. they have every right to illegalize marijuana smoking.

[Cornfedwb]

Ive never smoked weed and prob never will, im too broke buying games. I will say that I firmly believe that weed is far less dangerous than reg cigs and beer etc etc. Call weed a gateway drug and you could say the same about beer. Get tired of beer, move up to liquor.

Get tired of weed, move to cocaine, heroin, LSD and/or crack (to name a few). Get sick of beer move up to liquor (and thats about it). You think hard liqour is somehow as bad as those drugs?

[Maklershed]

Get tired of weed, move to cocaine, heroin, LSD and/or crack (to name a few). Get sick of beer move up to liquor (and thats about it). You think hard liqour is somehow as bad as those drugs?

You're telling me drug addicts dont start with beer? I'm willing to bet most drug addicts start with beer/licquor and cigarettes, and then maybe weed, and then on to their drug of addiction.

EDIT: By the way, I dont care one way or another if weed gets legalized. Everyone I know who wants to smoke it, gets it and smokes it anyway, without regard for the law.

[battleroyal33]

I can see your point and respect that, its not your thing..

[javeryh]

It took me a while to decide how to respond to this due to its inherent lack of logic or thought. But, murder has happened for thousands of years, previous civilizations have murdered, and since its done by people who are natural beings.. how can the government say its illegal?

The only underlying question is whether the government has the right to pass laws simply to protect us from ourselves. And since its been proven again and again and again by the highest court in our land that they do.. they have every right to illegalize marijuana smoking.

It's not illegal to actually take any drugs. It's illegal to possess them.

[Apossum]

since this is now a vs thread:

pros: the hemp plant has tons of useful applications and should be investigated more as a valuable resource. I realize hemp products are legal, but it needs to get more mainstream recognition.

cons: smoking it turns you into a moron. it also decreases your self-awareness if you smoke it regularly, so you can't see yourself turning into a moron. if you are reminded of how out of it you really seem to those non-stoners around you, you'll just forget about it over another bowl. This also makes it easy for you to believe that the world would be better off if everyone would just sit back and smoke a bowl (if i had a nickel for every time i heard that..)

that's not to say that there aren't functional smokers:

Well lets see, Im 30 and Im a pothead, I have a regular 9 to 5 job, M-F, Have a house at the BEACH ( purchased, not renting, I do have a mortgage) have a decent car (04 accord) , run 2 miles 5 days a week( I know its not much but I hate running) and MMA train 4 days a week, 2 1/2 hours per class( thats were I get all my cardio from).. I smoke at least a bowl everyday ( dont do joints, in my opion its a waste) and guess what, Im fine, you would never even know I smoked unless I lit up right in front of you... I dont smoke cigs and only drink beer and thats normally just on the weekends. Weed is fine as long as you, wait for it,,, DO IT IN MODERATION and be responible about it.. dont go over board, dont wake and bake , treat it like drinking, there is a place and a time for it,, some people just dont grasp that concept and thats thier faults. Im not defending the OP or anything, I could careless if its legal or not because I will still get it when ever I want it, I just find it funny how everybody still thinks that anyone who smokes will become an idiot... and a FYI,, that vaporizer in the pic sucks, I have one I got out of Canada,, waste of $75, sticking to my bubbler...

grammatical errors and misspellings aside, he's got money and he exercises, so his addiction is completely justified by our society on that level.

on the other hand, there are functional alcoholics too.

but functional addicts are the MINORITY.

I think it should be legalized and respected for the right reasons: medical use and as a valuable, pleniful natural resource. I couldn't give less of a shit about the guys who just want their escapism to be justified through the legal process and don't believe America needs any more outlets to remove them from reality. they could ease up on the punishments for possession though :)

[minqqq]

As long as you don't allow it to take over your life, you should always be in control. I let it take over my life for some time, but i've been getting better since i've come to realize that i was depending on it. But in all honesty i feel that marijuana's bad rep comes from all the gov't propaganda, which is fed by those tobacco lobbyist's pockets. Don't get me wrong, marijuana is bad for you, as is most anything else in the world today, but i think alot of people have the wrong impression.

[tickdude]

All vices can destroy you. Food, cigarettes, video games, alcohol, pot, gambling, even surfing the internet. As long as you stay in control, do all things in moderation, you will not destroy yourself and others around you. I don't see a problem with the ol' ganja as long as it does not become you reason for living - then, it is a major problem and I did see that in a few friends in college. Very sad because there must have been a reason for them getting stoned everyday. Getting high and partying once in awhile is alright, don't get me wrong, but some of my friends would light up all day, with or without friends, and play games or watch TV. C'mon, that's fucked up. What's the difference with an alcoholic who just drinks all day?

[battleroyal33]

This is purely for my own curiousity and please do not take it as an attack/insult, as I have no ulterior motive and it's purely for my own knowledge:

If you theoretically couldn't smoke one day, would that cause you to go into withdrawel or anything like that? Or would you just shrug it off and not worry about it?

I think non-smokers are confused by your statement because you call it moderation. If someone doesn't drink a beer a day, for the most part they are going to be just fine.

Again, my question is not meant to sound insulting. It's just something I'm curious about, and I assure you I won't twist your answer into something negative or anything like that.

I fully understand your question and its not a problem,,, the answer to your question is no, I dont flip out, go into withdrawls or anything like that, Im still me, no mood swings or anything of that nature... since I dont grow my own, I buy from people I have known since Highschool and they run out all the time, so that means I might have to go a few days or even a week or so in between refill. When that happens I just wait for my buddies to get some back in, simple as that, I dont scurry around town trying to find a bag, hit or anything like that, I just wait. My life still goes on.. Hope that helps...

[Mono`]

How does it fund terrorists when it's grown locally and sold locally that makes no sense....

People think it's evil because the goverment conditions you to be that way.

Do you know why the goverment doesn't allow it:

Because they are greedy and don't make money off it. (because there is no tax on it)

Do you actually think the goverment gives a shit about your health, if they did care greasy slop Mcdonalds woulden't be in biz.

[Graystone]

No thanks never have and never will put anything into my lungs. I'm fat I can't smoke, I'll die :lol:

In a way part of me thinks it should be legalized. Most people that I know that smoke weed don't do other drugs. They are "good" people even though yes they are breaking the law by smoking this. However I think if it's legalized their will be a drop in crime over time. Drug dealers who are owed money will disapear and people will not have to go through shady means of getting it.

[Strell]

Battleroyal33: Thank you for the reply, appreciate it. :) It was very well thought out and I respect the fact that you took the time to give me that information.

[battleroyal33]

[QUOTE=Apossum]

grammatical errors and misspellings aside,


Yeah got me there,

[Esper]

Looks like we have another bostonfrontier clone. jk

[Hex]

rofl. This now explains all of the OP's threads.

And posts.

The true American way would be if once the President was elected they dumped his old baggy wife for a huge breasted USA flag bikini wearing bimbo. That would be awsome.

Sheer brilliance. :roll:

[Apossum]

[QUOTE=Apossum]

grammatical errors and misspellings aside,


Yeah got me there,

wasn't trying to "get" you on anything dude. what followed was even a roundabout compliment. :roll:

[alonzomourning23]

Well lets see, Im 30 and Im a pothead, I have a regular 9 to 5 job, M-F, Have a house at the BEACH ( purchased, not renting, I do have a mortgage) have a decent car (04 accord) , run 2 miles 5 days a week( I know its not much but I hate running) and MMA train 4 days a week, 2 1/2 hours per class( thats were I get all my cardio from).. I smoke at least a bowl everyday ( dont do joints, in my opion its a waste) and guess what, Im fine, you would never even know I smoked unless I lit up right in front of you... I dont smoke cigs and only drink beer and thats normally just on the weekends. Weed is fine as long as you, wait for it,,, DO IT IN MODERATION and be responible about it.. dont go over board, dont wake and bake , treat it like drinking, there is a place and a time for it,, some people just dont grasp that concept and thats thier faults. Im not defending the OP or anything, I could careless if its legal or not because I will still get it when ever I want it, I just find it funny how everybody still thinks that anyone who smokes will become an idiot... and a FYI,, that vaporizer in the pic sucks, I have one I got out of Canada,, waste of $75, sticking to my bubbler...

Well, the 80's coke (which is obviously much worse) was the drug of the rich. I think the argument is that it hinders your performance, not destroys it.

[camoor]

It took me a while to decide how to respond to this due to its inherent lack of logic or thought. But, murder has happened for thousands of years, previous civilizations have murdered, and since its done by people who are natural beings.. how can the government say its illegal?

Bad example. I cannot think of one government that has ever declared that all murder is illegal, including the American government. After all, governments still fight wars.

However the American has declared that use or possession of a particularly benign intoxicating substance is illegal. Where is the logic or thought behind this law, where is the American citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

[mr ryles]

Legallizzeee it

Thats why we don't leaglize it, because you end up spelling like that.

[javeryh]

Bad example. I cannot think of one government that has ever declared that all murder is illegal, including the American government. After all, governments still fight wars.

However the American has declared that use or possession of a particularly benign intoxicating substance is illegal. Where is the logic or thought behind this law, where is the American citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Nah, it's a good example. Murder by definition is the unlawful killing of another human being. Killing someone in battle is generally a lawful act.

[mykevermin]

Little known fact: the first controlled substance in the history of the United States?



margarine

[Strell]

Little known fact: the first controlled substance in the history of the United States?



margarine

"Thanks to acid, I know now that butter is waaaaaaay better than margerine. I saw through the bullshit!"

[Maklershed]

Thats why we don't leaglize it, because you end up spelling like that.

Perhaps weed isn't the source of misspellings after all.



le·gal·ize
tr.v. le·gal·ized, le·gal·iz·ing, le·gal·iz·es To make legal or lawful; authorize or sanction by law

[Maklershed]

"Thanks to acid, I know now that butter is waaaaaaay better than margerine. I saw through the bullshit!"

Is that a Mitch Hedburg reference?

[Strell]

Indeed sir.

[Moxio]

Hey, you're an idiot!

[Apossum]

However the American has declared that use or possession of a particularly benign intoxicating substance is illegal. Where is the logic or thought behind this law, where is the American citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?


it isn't benign just because you say it is. it can (and does) ruin people's lives-- just in a slow sad way.

[getmeoutofjoliet]

anyone who uses drugs is a sorry sack of shit

[Storamin]

I've suggested people use the ignore list, the latest episode being one of U2K's threads. But no, this would be my first personal experience.
You're right, it is about time I ignore you and your worthless replys.

With that said... I smoke occasionally. Just a few times a year... I enjoy it.

[Death2Sanity]

I cast my vote in the 'no thanks' category.

And yes, I have 'lit up' before.

[cag1000]

i have a new found theory(that I did not have when i was younger).............


I love people who do drugs now. I think they are great and should continue to do as many as they can, branch out even. Because it can give me the advantage in life that I need. Hell who would pass up an edge like that over fellow human competion for jobs/money/girls/housing/education/life in general. Drugs can slash the competion and in turn help me out. Whose gonna get that big promotion? Me? Or a crack head? Me? or that lazy stoner? HAHAHA

[Staind204]

OP you might as well not have posted this here, many people are very close minded and will flame you for just about anything...

[camoor]

Nah, it's a good example. Murder by definition is the unlawful killing of another human being. Killing someone in battle is generally a lawful act.

OK lawyer-boy :D . I was going by the murder definition of "kill intentionally and with premeditation".

The difference between your definition of murder and a simple killing is whether or not you have permission to kill from a government. Yet it shows that the act of killing is not universally banned.

However, according to the current US federal government, the act of smoking or ingesting marijuana is universally banned. The government is not looking at the act rationally, the government is not considering that smoking certain softer strains of marijuana can be a relatively benign activity or can even help certain people crippled by pain or suffering from glaucoma.

Funny that. The US government can come up with all sorts of bogus reasons to authorize an extremely large operation involving massive amounts of kills (AKA the Iraq war), but it will outlaw or severly restrict access to benign soporifics every chance it gets.

[bmulligan]

anyone who uses drugs is a sorry sack of shit

Interesting. How do you feel about a cancer patient using marajuana to ease the effects of chemotherapy ? Drugs, even the illegal ones, usually have some medicinal value whether they have yet been realized or not. To blanketly catagorize drugs as bad is shortsighted.

I use caffeine in the mornings via my coffee cup. Studies have shown that typists type faster and with fewer errors after drinking coffee. When I'm sick or suffer from injury, I use ibuprofin or another non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drug to alleviate swelling, fever, or pain. Were it not for antibiotic drugs, most of us would not be alive today if stricken by pnemonia, tetanus, or other bacterial infection.

Perhaps what you meant to say was anyone who ABUSES drugs is a sorry sack.

[camoor]

it isn't benign just because you say it is. it can (and does) ruin people's lives-- just in a slow sad way.

It's called freedom. As long as noone is being forced or tricked into smoking or ingesting marijuana, and as long as they are not harming others, they should have the freedom to choose to do what they like.

Taxes on marijuana should be relatively high because it's likely that people who partake will become a burden on the health care system. However I believe the same of fast food, beer, wine, liquor, tobacco cigs, etc.

[Mono`]

i have a new found theory(that I did not have when i was younger).............


I love people who do drugs now. I think they are great and should continue to do as many as they can, branch out even. Because it can give me the advantage in life that I need. Hell who would pass up an edge like that over fellow human competion for jobs/money/girls/housing/education/life in general. Drugs can slash the competion and in turn help me out. Whose gonna get that big promotion? Me? Or a crack head? Me? or that lazy stoner? HAHAHA

That's like saying, let everyone die so there's more air for me to breathe.

[javeryh]

That's like saying, let everyone die so there's more air for me to breathe.

Um, no. It's not even close. There's a finite amout of good jobs out there but you wouldn't know anything about that due to the whole lack of ambition and general apathy towards anything not cartoon or taco bell related.

[Rich]

I'll hopefully be smoking this sometime in the near future; this is taken in my friend's house.

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery/771377/tke2-039.jpg


Anyways; I find it very hard for anyone to become dependant on weed. I smoke it maybe 4x a week at the most, but often go 2-3 weeks without it. If I don't have it around, I don't smoke it, it's as simple as that and I feel the same as I did before I started smoking. When I am high, however, everything just seems so obvious. It's really not something you can explain; and I think I may smoke just to discover myself and the world through this feeling; though in the spring when mushrooms start growing, I hope to delve much deeper into this world of discovery.

[camoor]

Um, no. It's not even close. There's a finite amout of good jobs out there but you wouldn't know anything about that due to the whole lack of ambition and general apathy towards anything not cartoon or taco bell related.

Finally something interesting. What about Taco Bell cartoons now?

[Graystone]

I think weed does make people stupid. My dad was a smart guy now he's sorta dumb hard to explain but bear with me. He smoked for 30 years and quit he has not done it in 4 years. My sister does it still and I talked to her on the phone the other day and I kept getting pissed off cause I had to explain to her simple shit any 6th grader should know. I really think it is the dope.

[The Narrator's Apprentice]

What Graystone failed to account for was the genetic component of mental degredation. All his life he thought of himself as "just one of the guys" and couldn't believe he would be the one in the family to be capable of upper eschelon abstract thought. Dad and sis have apparently caught "the bug" and have begun to display their Darwinian shortcomings, while he, on the other hand, transcends the formerly founded educational barrier and can now look back on his childhood instead of participate in it. Apparently the "dumb bug" is not double recessive.

The bear that is with him , though, thinks otherwise.

[tickdude]

Occasional pot smoking is not going to make you any less stupid than having a few drinks once in awhile. Other drugs do destroy brain cells in a major way: meth, nitrous, and glue sniffing are in the same catagory of massive brain destruction. Alcohol does destroy brain cells. Pot, I'm not so sure, but we humans do have cannabinoid receptors in our brains - it is still not fully understood why we have them (possible co-evolution with Cannabis? We make our own cannabinoids in our brains?). Finally, it has been demonstrated that pot does in fact have anti-cancer properties, which may account for the reason that people who smoke only cannabis do not develop lung cancer compared to tobacco smokers (Dr. Robert Melamede's work (Univ. of Colorado, CS) http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21).
Cannabis was legal in the US until the 1920's when it was declared a danger, blah, blah. Just like absinthe but now we know that real absinthe had extremely low levels of thujone (wormwood extract) and likely did not pose a danger to health (Ted Breaux - http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.11/absinthe.html). Why the US government declared some of these substances illegal was due to hearsay and urban mythology, not to mention lobbying from powerful alcohol groups that arose after prohibition. The idea that all drugs are the same is BS - we all know there are differences even within the class of drugs called alcoholic beverages! The Dutch model has consistently demonstrated that Dutch teenagers are less likely to have drug problems (http://www.csdp.org/ads/dutch2.htm). Why? Because legalizing soft drugs removes their appeal. Second, the Dutch system emphasizes treatment and acknowledging the question, "Why are you abusing drugs?" Additionally, in the Netherlands you can see people shooting up in public and once you do, it completely removes any of the glamour that Sid Vicious or Kurt Cobain attached to it. In the US, no one addresses the WHY question. Honestly, keeping things illegal is a boon to lawyers and police - keeps their coffers full of money and keeps their jobs. Enough ranting!

[Ikohn4ever]

Well I doubt many of you have any backing either way scientifically on your opinions. I have taken a couple classes on the psychological and physiological effects of certain drugs. Pot is a Schedule 1 narcotic, schedule 1 classifies it as having no medical benefits at all. Our government rushed to make it illegal and that was the end result. Obviously it has medical benefits, but making it a schedule pretty much makes it a final decision, because nobody in Washington would ever try to move pot off of that classification. Same goes for X which was originally used in marriage counciling.

[tickdude]

Well I doubt many of you have any backing either way scientifically on your opinions. I have taken a couple classes on the psychological and physiological effects of certain drugs. Pot is a Schedule 1 narcotic, schedule 1 classifies it as having no medical benefits at all. Our government rushed to make it illegal and that was the end result. Obviously it has medical benefits, but making it a schedule pretty much makes it a final decision, because nobody in Washington would ever try to move pot off of that classification. Same goes for X which was originally used in marriage counciling.

LSD was also used for alcoholic counseling trials, and it worked very well. Unfortunately, you can't keep a job if you are tripping out of your mind all the time! I don't know if Schedule I is a hard and fast classification - as long as there is public debate, the FDA and DEA may be receptive to discussion. The reason for not demonstrating any benefits from cannabis is because of the lack of scientific work, not because there has actually been work demonstrating any benefits! It's like putting the cart in front of the horse! Enough work has been done to demonstrate the benefits and problems of drinking alcohol in different forms and different amounts. Of course, these studies are easy to conduct because alcohol is legal (if you are over 21). It's more difficult to design and get approval for cannabis studies because of its status. Regardless, a lot of the urban mythos concerning pot smoking is dissipating to the point that the justifications for making it Schedule I are falling apart.

The funny thing is I work with Schedule I through Schedule IV drugs all the time, and some of those drugs' effects on the patients are much more powerful than cannabis' effects. But what do I know...

[camoor]

Honestly, keeping things illegal is a boon to lawyers and police - keeps their coffers full of money and keeps their jobs. Enough ranting!

Don't forget the organized crime syndicates, their profits would also drop significantly if marijuana was legalized. Of course, organized crime doesn't have any influence on the federal government ;) :lol: ;) :lol: ;)

[Ikohn4ever]

LSD was also used for alcoholic counseling trials, and it worked very well. Unfortunately, you can't keep a job if you are tripping out of your mind all the time! I don't know if Schedule I is a hard and fast classification - as long as there is public debate, the FDA and DEA may be receptive to discussion. The reason for not demonstrating any benefits from cannabis is because of the lack of scientific work, not because there has actually been work demonstrating any benefits! It's like putting the cart in front of the horse! Enough work has been done to demonstrate the benefits and problems of drinking alcohol in different forms and different amounts. Of course, these studies are easy to conduct because alcohol is legal (if you are over 21). It's more difficult to design and get approval for cannabis studies because of its status. Regardless, a lot of the urban mythos concerning pot smoking is dissipating to the point that the justifications for making it Schedule I are falling apart.

The funny thing is I work with Schedule I through Schedule IV drugs all the time, and some of those drugs' effects on the patients are much more powerful than cannabis' effects. But what do I know...


I dont know if you realize this but our government was responsible for giving out Pot to extremely sick Americans for a period of time. This all changed around Nixon I believe. I remember watching a program with one of the few people who is still alive he has bone tumors that constantly form and he takes his medical marijuanna to live a normal life. Also he is a stock broker not a hippie or anything like. Though the government cut the program they are still having to give him his medically prescribed pot. Every month he gets a tin full of joints for our government. Though after all the people from that program die it will officially be over. Obviously our government felt pot has medicinal properties or they would have never given it out in the first place. There are obvious health benefits for those who are sick, people with chemo who need to do something for lack of appetite, people with glaucoma, as a pain medication it is much safer than opiate based medication like Oxy and Vicadin.

[theeipi]

was gonna sell my xbox 360 on ebay ... but then i got high
was gonna find some CAG's at EB ... but then i got high
was gonna articulate some great responses to this thread ... but then i got high

then i got high, then i got high, then i got high....

[trytej]

Yea Yea Yea..... NO

[camoor]

Dealing marijuana has harsher punishments then dealing meth in some areas of the USA - I defy anyone to prove that the marijuana laws make any sense whatsoever.

[Dr.Evil097]

i love toking up. its fun. i got so blazed one night (snorted two Oxy's and smoked a quarter) i went bowling :-) it was fun. cant meber my score but i remeber it was a blast. My one friend sells tree and he is a rich ass kid believe it or not he drive a Bimmer. so grass is amazing. everyone on this post who says its dumb. try it. you dont know what your missing

[speedracer]

i love toking up. its fun. i got so blazed one night (snorted two Oxy's and smoked a quarter) i went bowling :-) it was fun. cant meber my score but i remeber it was a blast. My one friend sells tree and he is a rich ass kid believe it or not he drive a Bimmer. so grass is amazing. everyone on this post who says its dumb. try it. you dont know what your missing

Just for future reference: That probably isn't the kind of cognizant argument that's going to win friends and influence people.

Just sayin.

[crazytalkx]

Here's my revised opinion on weed.

Good on the weekends and vacation. Otherwise it just dulls the mind. I got high at least 3 times a week over the summer and got a 2.7GPA in my first semester of college (laziness, lack of focus). Now that I've been clean for about....3 months I'm getting straight As and hardly procrastinate at all. Plus I'm going into teaching, shitttt.

[t0llenz]

Opinion: It's not good for your body, but who am I to tell you what you can and can't do to yourself. What you do to me is a completely different situation, i.e. no smoking in public, no driving while under the influence, etc -- but what you do to yourself, I could care less. I don't think the government needs to exist to protect you from yourself -- that should kind of be your own job. Legalize it, tax it, and take the taxes for such drugs and put them directly into setting up rehabilitation centers.

[Technique]

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

According to this, there are 85,000 deaths caused by Alcohol a year and 0 deaths caused by Marijuana.

We all know that there are many people that use it, so the zero death fact isn't because its illegal.

I think it should be personal choice, really. Yes, it may be harmful to your body, but that's your choice.

Think of it like this -- acording to that link above, Tobacco is the leading cause for drug induced deaths, 435,000. So Tobacco is more harmful than Marijuana. Why is Marijuana illegal again? Why do we spend billions of dollars a year to enforce this law when we can be using that money for other things?

[CrimGhost]

It's time to get the hookah going!

[VanillaGorilla]

I hope all the potheads break out their bongs bigtime for 4/20, then after they are done "accidentally" circle jerking each other afterwards, they all choke on their Funyuns.

[CaseyRyback]

I bet you are hoping they all choke on their funyns so that Arby's doesn't have a line.

[VanillaGorilla]

I bet you are hoping they all choke on their funyns so that Arby's doesn't have a line.Arbys usually isn't a big destination for potheads. Not enough shiny or glowing things to hold their attention.

[HumanSnatcher]

I'm for legallizing it. I smoke, yes, but not to exccess. I really only take a few tokes when I want to try and sleep. Unlike my room mate who has to smoke several times a day...then again, he needs it just to chill the fuck out. I just use it as a way to relax every so often. It beats the shittiness that you get from alcohol in the morning

[HumanSnatcher]

i love toking up. its fun. i got so blazed one night (snorted two Oxy's and smoked a quarter) i went bowling :-) it was fun. cant meber my score but i remeber it was a blast. My one friend sells tree and he is a rich ass kid believe it or not he drive a Bimmer. so grass is amazing. everyone on this post who says its dumb. try it. you dont know what your missing
Dude, you are one of THE last people that need to speak up about making it legal. Not only do you sound like a dipshit stoner, but you snorted oxy...you're a total fucknig retard. Hope you have a good time in rehab...

And lemme guess, you only listen to Bob Marley because of weed...loser...

[Kayden]

A bowl or 2 a day just sounds excessive to me and it doesn't seem normal for someone to get high every single day.
I know people that generally have atleast a beer every night. I wouldn't do it myself, but I don't find it odd. Many most cigarette smokers go through almost a pack a day! (20 cigarettes) My dad used to do 2 packs a day way back when.

A small pinch of weed is rather light by comparison. I can't say for certain, as its been ages, but the amount of tobacco in a cigarette is at least twice what you'd need for a single bowl. Marijuana may put more tar in your lungs gram for gram, however, I've never heard of anyone smoking 20 joints in a day. Not to mention the fact that weed lacks the nice additions like formaldehyde and cyanide and the dozens of other lethal chemicals ADDED to cigarettes.


If you theoretically couldn't smoke one day, would that cause you to go into withdrawel or anything like that? Or would you just shrug it off and not worry about it?

Again, I can't say for certain, but in my experience, weed is no more addictive than alcohol, if not less. Drugs like nicotine or heroine set up a physiological dependency, you're smart, so I know you know that means they make your body actually need to substance. Thats where withdrawals come from when you don't get it. Its like hunger pangs for drugs. Have you ever seen anyone try to stop smoking cigarettes? :hot:

The addiction for alcohol is physiological, meaning that the person only thinks they need it to be normal. This type of addiction would depend on things like heredity and living conditions. If weed were addictive, this is the only way I could see it being so-- The person only thinks they need it. They'd be addicted in much the same way as a someone that plays WoW at the expense of their work or loved ones. They by no means need it, but they feel it makes them happy.

No thanks never have and never will put anything into my lungs. I'm fat I can't smoke, I'll die :lol:



You know, if you did smoke marijuana, your metabolism would increase. As long as you didn't park your XL ass in front of the fridge, you might lose weight. ;)

[mr ryles]

Arbys usually isn't a big destination for potheads. Not enough shiny or glowing things to hold their attention.

You'd be suprised considering how good there curly fries and chocolate shakes are.

[t0llenz]

I never smoked weed, never plan to, have seen it and other drugs hurt people's lives -- and yet, I still believe it should be legal.

And I'm an Evangelical, conservative Christian. Figure that one out ;)