Will these parts work?/Help me build a PC.

[moojuice]

So heres whats going on: First time builder here, and I want to build a gaming PC that is fairly cheap, but not super hardcore and not bare minimum, but the middle line. Games I am looking to play are HL2, BF2, F.E.A.R, Doom 3, Quake 4, Far Cry, and some other FPS games. I am trying to stay around $1000, give or take about $200. I will need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, but I am counting my budget only towards my tower (so, in otherwords, the price not including monitor and mouse/keyboard). I will need an O/S I guess, but will I be able to re-use my previous O/S disc (like the one that came with my old HP) again without worries of legal troubles? Or will I have to buy an O/S too? Last thing is, since I don't plan on running SATAII (or should I?), I won't need a floppy, right?

So without further ado, heres what I thought of putting in:
Edited:Put wrong processor
Edit 2: I am trying to get the parts right first, before I look for price). Also, revised(PSU, RAM):
Edit 3: Fixed prices from previous, changed Processor
Edit 4: Added O/S
Edit 5: More Revisions

Motherboard: ABIT KN8 SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813127225 ($109.99)

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 1GHz FSB 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103562 ($322.00)

Video Card: eVGA 256-P2-N515-AX Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Desktop PC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130247 ($304.00)

Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817153023 ($39.99)

Optical Drive:LITE-ON Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106990 ($38.99)

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav ($96.50)

Cable: ASPIRE 4-Pin PC power to SATA Converter Model CVT45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812201002 ($3.50)

Memory: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440 ($76.25)

Case: COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811119074 ($59.55)

Operating System: Windows XP Home with SP2 OEM
http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows+XP+Home/Windows+XP+Home+with+SP2+OEM.html ($83.87)

Subtotal: 1143.08

This probably isn't the best set-up, but I really don't have much experience.I know there may be places cheaper to part, such as HDso I can wait for the price to drop if that part is the best choice.
So, will it work/can I change out any of the parts/do I need any other parts besides O/S, Monitor, Keyboard/Mouse? If I do need anything else, please, do tell, seeing as if I do order, this IS what I will order (after I figure out the O/S thing), minus the monitor, and keyboard/mouse.

[Kayden]

For your OS- LEGALLY, you can only have it on one PC at a time, however- it'll install just fine if you reuse the same serial on both machines.

Your components look good on the whole, just a few recommendations-
Get a cheaper PSU. My Rosewill only cost about $70 and its really nice.
Your HDD isn't bad, but I have seen cheaper for bigger. Look for a seek time of 8.5ms or less for your main drive.
I'd sink all you can into the GFX card. Atleast go up to a 6800gt. My 7800gt is pretty nice for $300.

As for general building tips- search for a thread created by Tipreth, I posted some info there too.

[danh920]

you still need a power supply to go with the case too

I'd go with 1 gig of ram for now and get a better video card. You can always add more RAM later at less cost than a new vid card.

[greenbags125]

A couple things. The OS disc from your old computer is OEM software, and thus cannot be installed on anything except that computer. Therefore you have to spend $100 on Windows XP. Secondly, your power supply is too expensive. With your setup, there is not gonna be a need for a 520W power supply. A 400W is plenty and $150 is way too much to pay for something like that. Since you're going the AMD route, I would HIGHLY encourage you to spend a bit more and buy an Athlon 64 X2 processor. The 3200+, while decent, is far from awesome. Since you're building one, might as well get "close to top of the line" parts so that you won't have to upgrade soon. If I think of anything else, Ill add it.

[moojuice]

Ooops, its not a 3200+ I was thinking of getting, its a 3500+ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103533)

Ok, so I guess I'll get a lower, cheaper power supply, a new O/S (where would the best place to get that be?) I heard that 2Gigs ram helps out with BF2, but wasn't sure, so would it make much of a diff if I dropped it to 1 gig? Lastly, will an X2 make a good difference for the money?
I am comparing it to this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562) right now, and the specs look the sime, minus the L2 cache, and it is ~120 more.

[danh920]

here, pay $10 more for the faster cpu

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80719-5&affiliate=bizrate

that whole site is very good. When I had my pc built almost all of it came from zipzoomfly or newegg.

[psiufoxx2]

If you're willing to order from various websites.......

Motherboard: ABIT KN8 Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard
Save $6:
www.chiefvalue.com (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/IntenalTrackinfo.asp?item=13-127-222&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Motherboards)
($99)

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 1GHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor
Save $41:
www.extremegear.com (http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=CU-131-111)
($160)

Video Card: GIGABYTE GV-NX66T128D Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
XFX variation
Save $9:
www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150098&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=14-150-098)
($132)

Power Supply: OCZ PowerStream OCZ520ADJSLI ATX, BTX, SATA, P4 and EPS12V 520W
Save $23:
www.atacom.com (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=&Item_code=POWS_OCZT_O5_26&USER_ID=)
($127)

Optical Drive:LITE-ON Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
Good price as is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106990 ($38.99)

Hard Drive: Western Digital WD 200GB
Save $21
www.pcpartsohio.com (http://www.pcpartsohio.com/BookDetail.aspx?item_id=601)
($75)

Memory: SAMSUNG 2GB PC3200 2X1GB
Save $24:
www.manticoretech.com (http://www.manticoreinc.com/tech/product_info.php?products_id=233&osCsid=79678da72956d7ae6b87fba96418fee0)
($155)

Case: COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811119074 ($59.55)
Your choice..

Old Sub Total: $970.47
New Sub Total: $847

You saved.. 123.46 :)

[Kayden]

The OS disc from your old computer is OEM software, and thus cannot be installed on anything except that computer. Therefore you have to spend $100 on Windows XP.

Not neccisarily. Sure, some vendors do lock it (I've even heard of it NOT working on the machine it came with due to the restrictions. :roll: )
Anyways... Aslong as you have the serial number on the sticker of the old machine you're ok. You can even use a downloaded copy of XP. The disk doesn't matter as long as you have the as3535-adasdf2335-hahfdh3423-adagsg233 number everyone is so fond of attaching to their products. HOWEVER- make sure if you do download the OS that you get the right version- that being PRO or HOME.

(I'm not telling him to pirate the OS, the serial is his license, not the disk.)

But again, the license is only to be used on ONE PC. They can't stop you from using it on multiple PCs, but they can punish you in the 1:10000000000 chance they find you.

[moojuice]

Eh, I think I'll just get a new O/S (Again, where would the best place to get it be? B&M or online?) And am I right in assuming I won't need a floppy to install drivers etc since I am not going to run SATAII? I am also definitly willing to buy from different places. I just used new egg because thats where I went looking for specs and things like that.

Edit: Just updated PSU and ram. 20+4-Pin means it is compatable with 20 and 24 pin, right?

[greenbags125]

Sorry for the delay in the reply. As for the OEM OS, both my VAIO laptap, my Gateway Desktop, and my HP Desktop all have locked ones so I don't know what kind of success you'll have. You could buy it for $100 from any retail store or sometimes you can get a discount online.
AMD has won awards for its X2 processors, which is miles ahead of Intel's Extreme Edition/D. It is definitely worth the money.
2GB ram is excessive. I have 1 gb and I can run FEAR at max resolution/settings. Your Geforce 6600GT is decent. I would keep it. I personally have one and like I said before, I can run FEAR at full res/settings. Just for reference, my comp setup:

Intel P4, 3GHz HT
1GB Ram
Geforce 6600GT 128MB
305W Power Supply

[danh920]

this is where i got my os from

http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows+XP+Home/Windows+XP+Home+with+SP2+OEM.html

[Kayden]

Eh, I think I'll just get a new O/S (Again, where would the best place to get it be? B&M or online?) And am I right in assuming I won't need a floppy to install drivers etc since I am not going to run SATAII? I am also definitly willing to buy from different places. I just used new egg because thats where I went looking for specs and things like that.

Edit: Just updated PSU and ram. 20+4-Pin means it is compatable with 20 and 24 pin, right?

Yes, a 20+4 connector is a 20 pin connector with a 4 pin that slides on and off so it works on both. (There is an additional 4 pin that connects to the motherboard aswell).

As for a new os... If you're a student, you can get one at your book store for cheap. If theres a college near buy you could try walking in and buying it. Or you could pay a kid to... or if you have family in college... thats probably about the cheapest you can get.

Green- its the OEM CDs that are locked, not the serials. So just download a new disk and the serial should work on a new pc.

[moojuice]

Ok, so I changed the processor to an X2 (thanks for the link anyway danh), lowered my PSU to 430, lowered RAM to 1 Gig, but I would still like to know about the floppy and pins. I will most likley keep my GFX card, since green can run his games just fine (and also since the upgraded processor drained my budget a bit).

Edit: Scratch that part about the PIN. THanks the the o/s link danh. Yes, I am a student, so I'll check the price at my bookstore when I drop by for my books, but that may be a while, so I may just pick it up from danh's link.

Edit 2: Really stupid question, but will this HD be compatable with my mobo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav

[greenbags125]

Ok, so I changed the processor to an X2 (thanks for the link anyway danh), lowered my PSU to 430, lowered RAM to 1 Gig, but I would still like to know about the floppy and pins. I will most likley keep my GFX card, since green can run his games just fine (and also since the upgraded processor drained my budget a bit).

Edit: Scratch that part about the PIN. THanks the the o/s link danh. Yes, I am a student, so I'll check the price at my bookstore when I drop by for my books, but that may be a while, so I may just pick it up from danh's link.

Edit 2: Really stupid question, but will this HD be compatable with my mobo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav

According to the product page, you can. However, I can't find the SATA connectors on the picture of the Mobo. Let me know if someone finds it.

[Kayden]

The SATA connectors are the red ones toward the bottom front of the mobo. That HDD should work just fine. As for the X2, unless you do a lot of compling or digital work or run a server, you aren't going to get much outta a dual core CPU. However, theres no telling what the future holds. It may be a smart move to get one now or you may never fully use it.

Again, your GPU is bottom rung of this generation. It may run todays games okish at medium settings, but what about tomorrows? Will you upgrade to another budget card that'll barely play the current games? Just get a card that blows todays games outta the water and will easily handle tomorrows for the same price as the two budget cards you'd get.

[greenbags125]

The SATA connectors are the red ones toward the bottom front of the mobo. That HDD should work just fine. As for the X2, unless you do a lot of compling or digital work or run a server, you aren't going to get much outta a dual core CPU. However, theres no telling what the future holds. It may be a smart move to get one now or you may never fully use it.

Again, your GPU is bottom rung of this generation. It may run todays games okish at medium settings, but what about tomorrows? Will you upgrade to another budget card that'll barely play the current games? Just get a card that blows todays games outta the water and will easily handle tomorrows for the same price as the two budget cards you'd get.

If it can run FEAR at high res/settings, im pretty sure he's good for the next two years. As for the SATA connectors, I see the 4. My mobo has black ones and the red on red made it hard to see. It supports both so both the IDE and SATA connectors will be fine.

[moojuice]

Sorry, I had to go work for a few hours unexpectedly.

Ok, so which would be a better choice then? A regular Athlon 3500+ or the X2? If I go with the 3500+, I may just upgrade my GFX card a bit more. Otherwise, I really don't think I have that much more money to go around. I guess since I am primarily using it for gaming, I shouldn't need dual core?

Still would like an answer on the floppy question. I don't think I need one, but I'm not 100% sure.

And lastly, the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav harddrive I posted, is that a good price for that speed/capacity? I really don't know much about HD's (as you can tell, theres another topic floating somewhere here about a hard drive by me.

[Kayden]

I can't think of any games that really take advantage of a dual core processor. Thats not to say that there arent or will not be. However, its a sure thing that games will sport ever increasing visuals. Go with the CPU you have picked out and get a better GPU. Additionally, as I said before, your HDD isn't the best deal I've seen, but its good. The ones I got were on clearance with rebates.

[moojuice]

I meant the second drive (the SATA one). Unless you mean that one. And when you say get the CPU and Upgrade the GPU, you mean keep the dual and upgrade the GPU, or keep the 3500+ and upgrade GPU.

So besides shopping around for prices, and the situation in the paragraph above, am I pretty much good to go?

[greenbags125]

Well, moojuice, you have to prepare for the future. I mean, getting a budget graphics card/ram is all reparable. However, getting a new processor becomes a much harder thing to accomplish. I would definitely get the X2. Current gen games like FEAR already take advantage of this and more games in the future will as well. Also, I would go with a SATA hard drive over IDE (Ultra ATA, PATA, etc).

[moojuice]

Ah man green, you and Kayden keep going back and forth on this processor and is making it so hard for me to decide.

[greenbags125]

Ah man green, you and Kayden keep going back and forth on this processor and is making it so hard for me to decide.

All right, I understand Kayden's point of view. Look at it this way:

If you're gonna use this computer for multiple apps or games, I would get X2. However, if you're not, then get the single processor one (3500+/3800+ can't remember). I hope this settles it for you. X2 would be an investment into the future of your machine. Its like when P4 first came out, people still bought P3 b/c the thought that it was sufficient. I guess history proved them wrong.

[Kayden]

Er... with PCs, its best to over buy than underbuy. If you get a weak component for 50-75% you're stuck with mediocre short term performance. You also may need to upgrade later to keep up with requirements. Its better to have more than you need incase you need it than to be marginally sufficient for 6 months and then SOL.

So, if you can, get the best parts you can reasonably afford. My PC was about 1300 I think... Not much more than yours, but vastly more powerful. So splurge a bit. Would you rather spend 1000 and go through this again in 2 years or spend 1300 and go through it in another 4?

It may sound like a lot of money- and short term it is- but you're buying higher quality parts that will be more powerful for a longer period of time.

Your new HDD is ok too.

As for shopping around, newegg is 9/10 times cheaper than anywhere else. If its cheaper its probably from a small ass place with lacking support. Newegg has great customer service and very good warranty/replacement policies. It'll also make things easier if you get stuff from one place then you know exaclty where what came from. The quality from newegg is worth the 1-10 dollars you may save elsewhere.

I meant the second drive (the SATA one). Unless you mean that one. And when you say get the CPU and Upgrade the GPU, you mean keep the dual and upgrade the GPU, or keep the 3500+ and upgrade GPU.

So besides shopping around for prices, and the situation in the paragraph above, am I pretty much good to go?

[greenbags125]

Kayden, agreed.

[moojuice]

Alrite, changed some things around. O also added a SATA power cable because reviews said that one was not included. Again, I am assuming I won't need a floppy to install O/S and drivers and stuff.

Motherboard: ABIT KN8 SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813127225 ($109.99)

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 1GHz FSB 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103562 ($322.00)

Video Card: eVGA 256-P2-N515-AX Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Desktop PC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130247 ($304.00)

Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817153023 ($39.99)

Optical Drive:LITE-ON Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106990 ($38.99)

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav ($96.50)

Cable: ASPIRE 4-Pin PC power to SATA Converter Model CVT45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812201002 ($3.50)

Memory: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440 ($76.25)

Case: COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811119074 ($59.55)

Operating System: Windows XP Home with SP2 OEM
http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows+XP+Home/Windows+XP+Home+with+SP2+OEM.html ($83.87)

Subtotal: 1143.08

Hows that sound?

[NoRain]

I think thats sexy, but if I were gonna buy an operating system for a 64 bit processor I would buy the 64 bit operating system. Microsoft used to let you download or upgrade for free don't know if they still do that. I personally think a 300 dollar video card is kinda silly too. Yeah its nicer, but its not that much nicer. I'd rather buy a cheaper video card.

[greenbags125]

Alrite, changed some things around. O also added a SATA power cable because reviews said that one was not included. Again, I am assuming I won't need a floppy to install O/S and drivers and stuff.

Motherboard: ABIT KN8 SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813127225 ($109.99)

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 1GHz FSB 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819103562 ($322.00)

Video Card: eVGA 256-P2-N515-AX Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Desktop PC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130247 ($304.00)

Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817153023 ($39.99)

Optical Drive:LITE-ON Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16827106990 ($38.99)

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065#sctNav ($96.50)

Cable: ASPIRE 4-Pin PC power to SATA Converter Model CVT45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812201002 ($3.50)

Memory: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820145440 ($104.50)

Case: COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811119074 ($59.55)

Operating System: Windows XP Home with SP2 OEM
http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows+...th+SP2+OEM.html ($83.87)

Subtotal: 1143.08

Hows that sound?

A couple of details you should keep in mind when building your computer. I would make the SATA hard drive the primary one (the one that the OS is installed on). It is faster and your OS should load faster. Also, Newegg's Valueselect should be around $81 shipped, not the $103 you listed.

[moojuice]

Oops, fixed the price thing.
Is my vid card really that obnoxious? I looked up other message boards, and they said 7800 GT's were good. I don't plan on doing any OC'ing either.
EditL: I also fixed the other links. Forgot copy/paste doesn't copy full link.

[greenbags125]

Well, as for your vid card, its 100% your call. I think the Geforce 6600GT is consistent with what i need. If i can run today's games at max settings, next year's games at medium high settings, I think its good. I bought mine at $100 so I can afford to throw it out if I find something else in a couple of years.

[moojuice]

Hmm, makes sense. I most likley will downgrade the card and buy a new one later on, since the 6600GT can run it.

And again, since no one has confirmed it, WILL I NEED A FLOPPY DRIVE?

[greenbags125]

Nope. Win XP runs from a CD. Unless you intend to use floppy discs as storage, there's no need.

[moojuice]

Alrite, cool.

Thanks alot for the help guys, and especially to greenbag, kayden, psiu and danh for links/suggestions/info.

[Murcielago77]

whatever you do, DO NOT GET A CHEAP POWER SUPPLY. A cheap power supply could cause your computer to be unstable, and could even fry your parts. Plus that thermaltake PSU barely has enough power to power a 6600gt, theres no way its going to power a 7800gt, spend the money if you want a stable, reliable, long lasting system

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817709003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151024
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163107

this should last you for your next system as well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163108

[greenbags125]

whatever you do, DO NOT GET A CHEAP POWER SUPPLY. A cheap power supply could cause your computer to be unstable, and could even fry your parts. Plus that thermaltake PSU barely has enough power to power a 6600gt, theres no way its going to power a 7800gt, spend the money if you want a stable, reliable, long lasting system

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817709003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151024
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163107

this should last you for your next system as well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163108

A power supply doesn't determine the stability of a computer. If you get a crappy one, it would but most, including the Thermaltake oneis fine. I have a 305W generic PSU and it runs the Geforce 6600GT just fine (rec. 350W). 420W is more than adequate.

[Murcielago77]

A power supply doesn't determine the stability of a computer. If you get a crappy one, it would but most, including the Thermaltake oneis fine. I have a 305W generic PSU and it runs the Geforce 6600GT just fine (rec. 350W). 420W is more than adequate.

wattage isnt everything, its mainly about the +12v rail. The power supply does too determine the stability of a computer, because if they have unstable voltages that flutuate too high or low from the desired voltage, it could cause restarts. That 420w has only 18a on the +12v rail, EVGA even recommends at least a 450w PSU, though the rails are what actually matter, they just put that for those who do not look at the voltages on the rails

and that thermaltake doesnt even have dual +12v rails

[moojuice]

Actually, I forgot to update my list. I just downgraded my card to a
GIGABYTE GV-NX66T128D Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814125156)

Shouldn't the PSU be able to handle it?

[moojuice]

Well, I could have sworn the PSU would be powerfull enough, but just incase, I did some browsing for a higher PSU if its not going to be enough. So I browsed around a bit, and saw this, and considered it, since I may go SLI down the road:
Antec TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 EPS12V ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103932

The one murcielago recommended is a bit too pricey for me. Then again, only one person has told me the PSU is not enough so far. Also, if the themaltake works just fine, I'd rather get that now and get a new PSU when I upgrade again (which most likley won't be for a while, but it happens) if I need it because even the one I just posted seems like overkill for my current setup.