Bringing back the draft

[r1s3n]

Was checking out gone gold forums this morning and found this little gem

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Glad somone mentioned this

r1s3n

[hutno]

I saw this article several months ago, so its kinda old but still no less disturbing

[r1s3n]

Wow its that old? I had no idea, damn I need to be more aware of shit going on in the world.

r1s3n

[CTLesq]

The site you link to is absoluting distorting what is going on. The House Bill is sponsored by Charles Rangle D-NY, the Senate Bill Fritz Hollings D-SC.

The intent of both bills is scare the middle class into opposing the war on terror. The implication these bills, which have been front and center BEFORE the Iraq invasion are hiding in the wings until after the election is a pathetic attempt to manipulate people who find these things on the internet without context.

So you shouldn't be glad someone mentioned it. You should be furious at how this evil attempt to stop the war on terror is being horrificily manipulated.

CTL

[Grave_Addiction]

If there is a draft, you should all sign up for the Air Force that way you won't be involved in combat. The Air Force is the only branch of the military that sends our officers to do the fighting.

That's why everyone knows the smart people join the Air Force.

Oh yeah, if there is a draft, women should be in it, too. All this equal rights crap, then all of a sudden, the feminists don't want to have any part of the draft. Hey, if you're equal to men, then your fat ass is gonna get drafted, too.

[Steggy]

There is a 100% chance we will never again have a draft. Due to technology, and nuclear war, the draft will never be needed.

[Cmosfm]

There is a 100% chance we will never again have a draft. Due to technology, and nuclear war, the draft will never be needed.

I hope your right....I hope your right more than anything in the world.

[PsyClerk]

Ancient news. Just some folks talking 'social responsibility' way too far.

[Cornfedwb]

The modern war front (and definitely the war on terror) doesn't need masses of trigger monkeys, it needs specialists, well-trained, educated soldiers. Drafting unwilling, relatively untrained random people isn't going to help root out terrorists in the middle eastern countries. Until USA v. China (WWIII), I wouldn't expect a single person to be drafted.

[MadChedar0]

Make love not war :)

[The Successful Dropout]

If there is a draft, you should all sign up for the Air Force that way you won't be involved in combat. The Air Force is the only branch of the military that sends our officers to do the fighting.

That's why everyone knows the smart people join the Air Force.

Oh yeah, if there is a draft, women should be in it, too. All this equal rights crap, then all of a sudden, the feminists don't want to have any part of the draft. Hey, if you're equal to men, then your fat ass is gonna get drafted, too.

i agree completely with the women issue....crying for equal rights, bet they wont cry for this

[Mr. Anderson]

No, it's make lunch, not war.

[punqsux]

i agree women should be elegible for a draft too, but if there ever were a draft, you might as well just call me a hab, eh?

[Scrubking]

There is a 100% chance we will never again have a draft. Due to technology, and nuclear war, the draft will never be needed.

Exactly!

It has been clearly proven that drafts only weaken your military by forcing people, who don't want to be there, to fight.

And the US military isn't going to waste time and money weakening their own forces.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Being 28, I was all for it until I realized part of the modification to the draft would be raising the limit to 34.

C'mon...someone tie this up in litigation for 6 more years!

[bmulligan]

Chuck Wrangler is notorious for pulling stunts like this. He's been touting this legislation for tha last 18 months, well before the war on Iraq even started. Previous posts were spot on in deducing that rangle is trying to promote dissent for the war effort. Keep in mind that Congress can't just pass laws, they need a president's signature to become law. I doubt theis bill would ever result in a floor vote, it'll never even make it out of committee because there's no real popular support for it. Hence, no reward for congresspeople for giving the public something they don't want. It's a ruse, pure and simple, for some media attention and political bullying.

You should google other outrageous ramblings by Charlie Rangle, they're downright laughable, until you consider he's a congressman, then they border on scary.

[jmcc]

And now a scene from the Didn't RTFA Hyperbolic Players:

Wait wait wait, so Bush personally wants singlehandedly to start up the draft again and Congress has had to fight him off from doing it with sharpened sticks?! God! He's the worst president we've ever had!

End scene.

[Quackzilla]

I have ADHD.

I am unqualified to serve, as that is a mental disease or disorder.

Legal loopholes > you

I still oppose the draft, though.

[pete5883]

And now a scene from the Didn't RTFA Hyperbolic Players:

Wait wait wait, so Bush personally wants singlehandedly to start up the draft again and Congress has had to fight him off from doing it with sharpened sticks?! God! He's the worst president we've ever had!

End scene.

My thoughts exactly. For the love of fuck people, don't take this article as even remotely truthful. Look at the actual bills, this isn't really Bush-related.

[jmcc]

My simple solution for people who are worried about the draft: if they should happen to start it up again and you're really against fighting (which I don't begrudge people) simply donate one of your kidneys. There's always a shortage of them. In this way you can not only avoid having to kill or be killed in some foreign stink-hole, but you can also directly save a life in the process. It's win-win.

[Squirms]

If this happens I'm gonna be at the bottom of the list. Parent, two kids, main earner for the family, last male to caryr out the name, I'm sure I can find a couple of medical problems as well. I'm sure I have undiagnosed ADD, so a trip to the doctor would be in order. In short, I'm a pussy.

[RisingZan]

We don't need the draft. Why? Easy, I'll sum it up in two words:




Ninja Pirates.
(Pictures coming soon)

[BigDirty]

And damn them trying to close the Canadian loophole as well. I could spend a couple years in Vancouver, kicking back some molson XXX, and the like. Granted, I'd like to do that regarless, but that's just me rambling on as well. I'm nearly out of the window... if it passes, maybe a couple years down under kicking back some Fosters.

[alongx]

Thankfully, I have a few life-long syndromes that would keep me away from the draft.

Also, this being house and senate bills makes it a little less likely that this is a Bush-generated initiative. I think he's a horrible president, but that doesn't mean I'll blame every little thing that's going wrong in Washington on him.

[ZarathosNY]

My question is if they are not planning on bringing back the draft, why are they looking to fill positions on draft boards?

http://www.wcjb.com/news.asp?id=8558

[PsyClerk]

My question is if they are not planning on bringing back the draft, why are they looking to fill positions on draft boards?

http://www.wcjb.com/news.asp?id=8558

Because they always keep those positions filled, even when the draft is not active. The positions are only for a set number of years, and the terms are about to be up for some/all. Thus, they need to be filled and terms started anew.

In simpler terms, the draft was abolished, the draft board was not. The draft board has always been there.

Edit: read the linked article, confirmed my information, changes made to reflect more concrete facts

[kfkl]

If there is a draft, you should all sign up for the Air Force that way you won't be involved in combat. The Air Force is the only branch of the military that sends our officers to do the fighting.

That's why everyone knows the smart people join the Air Force.

Oh yeah, if there is a draft, women should be in it, too. All this equal rights crap, then all of a sudden, the feminists don't want to have any part of the draft. Hey, if you're equal to men, then your fat ass is gonna get drafted, too.

quoting the linked artical:
Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

so, women are included.

[RisingZan]

women...and ninja pirates.

[ZarathosNY]

My question is if they are not planning on bringing back the draft, why are they looking to fill positions on draft boards?

http://www.wcjb.com/news.asp?id=8558

Because they always keep those positions filled, even when the draft is not active. The positions are only for a set number of years, and the terms are about to be up for some/all. Thus, they need to be filled and terms started anew.

In simpler terms, the draft was abolished, the draft board was not. The draft board has always been there.

Edit: read the linked article, confirmed my information, changes made to reflect more concrete facts


My point is that these positions were allowed to go empty, and now the Pentagon is looking to fill them now. There is more on it here:

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/salon1.html

[jlarlee]

If there is a draft, you should all sign up for the Air Force that way you won't be involved in combat. The Air Force is the only branch of the military that sends our officers to do the fighting.

That's why everyone knows the smart people join the Air Force.

Oh yeah, if there is a draft, women should be in it, too. All this equal rights crap, then all of a sudden, the feminists don't want to have any part of the draft. Hey, if you're equal to men, then your fat ass is gonna get drafted, too.

Thats equal rights when it's a benefit. Honestly if they don't want in so be it do you really want to work with someone who doesn't want to be there? I know I don't they just need to raise bonuses paid for people that are coming in. Money drives all

[PsyClerk]

My point is that these positions were allowed to go empty, and now the Pentagon is looking to fill them now. There is more on it here:

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/salon1.html

They will not allow them to empty completely and that is the whole point of trying to fill the positions. I've seen calls to fill positions for a few years now.

Repeat after me...the sky is NOT falling, the sky is NOT falling, the sky is NOT falling...

[CTLesq]

I amanzed that when people say draft how other people's minds just shut off.

Was I somehow unclear that this is nothing more than a cheap political stunt by Rangle and Hollings?

CTL

[suprsaiyanMAX]

I would probably be last picked due to an accident that leaves me with only vision in one eye. Yet, the whole higher education won't be a shelter thing kinda irks me. I see that yeah if they didn't do it everyone would just go to college to dodge. But if I'm already in college I don't wanna be pulled out one year away from graduation when I've put so much money and effort into getting my degree. That just doesn't seem right to me. However, I am glad that women will be included in the new draft, I always found that wrong that they can volunteer but don't have to register for the draft like all men do. Anways that's my two cents.

[Grave_Addiction]

I don't know wholly about the other services, but the Air Force won't be drafting anyone anytime soon. In fact, the Air Force is cutting back 15,000 airmen.

[ZarathosNY]

My point is that these positions were allowed to go empty, and now the Pentagon is looking to fill them now. There is more on it here:

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/salon1.html

They will not allow them to empty completely and that is the whole point of trying to fill the positions. I've seen calls to fill positions for a few years now.

Repeat after me...the sky is NOT falling, the sky is NOT falling, the sky is NOT falling...

I'm not saying the sky is falling, I am saying that after letting these positions remain empty for some time, to all of a sudden look to fill them seems suspicous to me.

[PsyClerk]

I'm not saying the sky is falling, I am saying that after letting these positions remain empty for some time, to all of a sudden look to fill them seems suspicous to me.

Selective Service registration is also still mandatory. Doesn't mean they'll use it anytime soon. Read up on it at www.sss.gov.

[PsyClerk]

If this happens I'm gonna be at the bottom of the list. Parent, two kids, main earner for the family, last male to caryr out the name, I'm sure I can find a couple of medical problems as well. I'm sure I have undiagnosed ADD, so a trip to the doctor would be in order. In short, I'm a pussy.

Only commenting here because I saw something on the website I mentioned that applied. Unless you are the only son/survivor of a family due to a military death, you are not exempt. However, if your drafting would cause hardship for your family, you CAN be exempt (note that you are not automatically exempt).

Interesting stuff.

[CTLesq]

I'm not saying the sky is falling, I am saying that after letting these positions remain empty for some time, to all of a sudden look to fill them seems suspicous to me.

Selective Service registration is also still mandatory. Doesn't mean they'll use it anytime soon. Read up on it at www.sss.gov.

No, please don't confuse this "good" argument with the facts!

Why would anyone want to rationally look at this when they can just claim they have ADD, or kids, or a woman should fight for them instead?

Isn't that more fun than accepting this for the political ploy it is?

[Indiana]

There is a 100% chance we will never again have a draft. Due to technology, and nuclear war, the draft will never be needed.

We had technology and nuclear weapons during the Vietnam war. Which had an enormous draft.

[ZarathosNY]

I'm not saying the sky is falling, I am saying that after letting these positions remain empty for some time, to all of a sudden look to fill them seems suspicous to me.

Selective Service registration is also still mandatory. Doesn't mean they'll use it anytime soon. Read up on it at www.sss.gov.

I know SS registration is still mandatory, I had to sign up for it years ago. That has nothing to do with the fact that draft board vacancies were allowed to go empty for years, and now they are looking for thousands of people to fill these slots.

[CTLesq]

I'm not saying the sky is falling, I am saying that after letting these positions remain empty for some time, to all of a sudden look to fill them seems suspicous to me.

Selective Service registration is also still mandatory. Doesn't mean they'll use it anytime soon. Read up on it at www.sss.gov.

I know SS registration is still mandatory, I had to sign up for it years ago. That has nothing to do with the fact that draft board vacancies were allowed to go empty for years, and now they are looking for thousands of people to fill these slots.

And you are getting worried based on an article from Salon.com?

I assure you: if you trust salon.com as a source of "information", you will be disqualified from the draft.

CTL

[PsyClerk]

I know SS registration is still mandatory, I had to sign up for it years ago. That has nothing to do with the fact that draft board vacancies were allowed to go empty for years, and now they are looking for thousands of people to fill these slots.

Those empty slots started getting emptier as of 1999. They continue to lose members over time. It makes sense that eventually they get to a point where they say 'hey, we're running on fumes, we need more volunteers to man the draft boards!' The government keeps the draft system's infrastructure in place in case a dire need arises. The reasoning is it's better to plan for the worst and have it not happen, then plan for nothing and have the worst happen.

And before we blow that out of proportion, Rumsfeld himself says there was not a chance of reinstating the draft. As has been stated, the military knows that people who are drafted actually reduce military effectiveness.

For the record I think there are only about 11000 slots for the nation.

[MrBadExample]

And you are getting worried based on an article from Salon.com?

I assure you: if you trust salon.com as a source of "information", you will be disqualified from the draft.

CTL

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

[PsyClerk]

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

You spelled 'spinning' wrong.

/FLAME ON!
//still hasn't uploaded the Human Torch graphic

[MrBadExample]

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

You spelled 'spinning' wrong.

/FLAME ON!
//still hasn't uploaded the Human Torch graphic

Thanks for the correction. It's spelled F-O-X-N-E-W-S, right?

[CTLesq]

And you are getting worried based on an article from Salon.com?

I assure you: if you trust salon.com as a source of "information", you will be disqualified from the draft.

CTL

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

Facts? Like Bush is hiding this in the wings?

More like lies.

Please.

[MrBadExample]

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

Facts? Like Bush is hiding this in the wings?

More like lies.

Please.[/quote]

Hey, if you really want to hear some spin, Rush Limbaugh said that Clinton is responsible for the Iraqi prison torture because he "popularized" oral sex and the sexual revolution that lead to the sexual torture. I guess I was ahead of the curve back in the 80's.

[CTLesq]

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

Facts? Like Bush is hiding this in the wings?

More like lies.

Please.

Hey, if you really want to hear some spin, Rush Limbaugh said that Clinton is responsible for the Iraqi prison torture because he "popularized" oral sex and the sexual revolution that lead to the sexual torture. I guess I was ahead of the curve back in the 80's.[/quote]

When I post drivel like that on here you can use it against me. Until then, this is about this specific piece of drivel. Or are you just looking to complain about 'conservative" ( I detest the thought Limbaugh is viewed as a conservative) drivel?

Any way you cut it: you are wrong.

CTL

[MrBadExample]

When I post drivel like that on here you can use it against me. Until then, this is about this specific piece of drivel. Or are you just looking to complain about 'conservative" ( I detest the thought Limbaugh is viewed as a conservative) drivel?

Any way you cut it: you are wrong.

CTL

Hey, you started ragging on Salon.com when they weren't the source for this story. If you can drag the "liberal" media into it, I can use the "conservative" media.

And just telling me I'm wrong, well that's a brilliant debate strategy.

[PsyClerk]

I blame that pesky liberal media for everything. If they would stop printing facts, everyone would be much happier.

You spelled 'spinning' wrong.

/FLAME ON!
//still hasn't uploaded the Human Torch graphic

Thanks for the correction. It's spelled F-O-X-N-E-W-S, right?

You know, for a guy whose avatar has a cock and balls for a nose, you sure miss out on humor.

/will now upload the Human Torch graphic

[CTLesq]

When I post drivel like that on here you can use it against me. Until then, this is about this specific piece of drivel. Or are you just looking to complain about 'conservative" ( I detest the thought Limbaugh is viewed as a conservative) drivel?

Any way you cut it: you are wrong.

CTL

Hey, you started ragging on Salon.com when they weren't the source for this story. If you can drag the "liberal" media into it, I can use the "conservative" media.

And just telling me I'm wrong, well that's a brilliant debate strategy.

You are. Salon.com was your source of "information" which you brought to the discussion. I haven't brought anything but an informed opinion which you have yet to challenge other than to question other news sources which I have not used.

So again: you are wrong.

CTL

[jmcc]

Where's the link to Salon that keeps getting mentioned?

[CaptainObviousXl]

you've gotta die, gotta die, gotta die for your government?
die for your country?
that's shit! there's a gulf war vet, dying a slow,
old death and the government says,
"we don't know the source of his sickness."
but don't believe what they say,
because your government is lying
they've done it before and don't you know
they'll do it again
a secret test, government built virus
"subject test group: gulf battle field troops"
you've gotta die, gotta die, gotta die for your government?
die for your country?
that's shit! first world war veterans slaughtered,
by general eisenhower you give them your life,
they give you a stab in the back radiation,
agent orange, tested on us souls guinea pigs
for western corporations i never have,
i never will pledge allegiance to their flag
you're getting used, you'll end up dead!
you've gotta die, gotta die, gotta die for your government?
die for your country?
that's shit! i don't need you to tell me what to do
and i don't need you to tell me what to be...
fuck you! i don't need you to tell me what to say
and i don't need you to tell me what to think!
what to think! what to think, what to think, what to think,
think, think, think! you've gotta die, gotta die,
gotta die for your government? die for your country? that's shit!

[MrBadExample]

You are. Salon.com was your source of "information" which you brought to the discussion. I haven't brought anything but an informed opinion which you have yet to challenge other than to question other news sources which I have not used.

So again: you are wrong.

CTL

Nope, I never mentioned any article from Salon. Just saw you dissing them.

P.S. I did mean to give you props for not liking Rush. He's an idiot.

[bmulligan]

So are you, but I LOVE you!

[MrBadExample]

So are you, but I LOVE you!

Now I feel all warm and tingly.

[jlarlee]

You are. Salon.com was your source of "information" which you brought to the discussion. I haven't brought anything but an informed opinion which you have yet to challenge other than to question other news sources which I have not used.

So again: you are wrong.

CTL

Nope, I never mentioned any article from Salon. Just saw you dissing them.

P.S. I did mean to give you props for not liking Rush. He's an idiot.


I swear only rush could make an ass of himself on a NFL pregame show. That is about as hard as getting drunk on Pepsi

[alongx]

My question is if they are not planning on bringing back the draft, why are they looking to fill positions on draft boards?

http://www.wcjb.com/news.asp?id=8558

Why would anyone be opposed to the filling of jobs? Especially when our economy hasn't seen any new jobs in quite some time?

[alongx]

I haven't brought anything but an informed opinion which you have yet to challenge other than to question other news sources which I have not used.

Um, maybe I'm mistaken, but reading everything you have written on this thread...you haven't brought anything to the table here. You just came in, brought up Salon.com out of nowhere, and then started telling other people that they were wrong without backing up that statement at all.
I also don't know how anyone could question news sources that you have used, being that you used none. You claim to have an informed opinion, but have conveniently left out the information backing you.
I think the only thing that could be considered truthful or informed out of your entire series of posts is that Bush has nothing to do with this. And he doesn't. Aside from that, I can't even find where you make a relevant point.

[PsyClerk]

Why would anyone be opposed to the filling of jobs? Especially when our economy hasn't seen any new jobs in quite some time?

No new jobs huh? Wish I could find out where they do all this brainwashing. It could fit well into my evil schemes.

[CTLesq]

You are. Salon.com was your source of "information" which you brought to the discussion. I haven't brought anything but an informed opinion which you have yet to challenge other than to question other news sources which I have not used.

So again: you are wrong.

CTL

Nope, I never mentioned any article from Salon. Just saw you dissing them.

P.S. I did mean to give you props for not liking Rush. He's an idiot.

What people fail to realize about Limbaug is that had a Republican been in office he would have just as easily sold his services to the Left and criticized the Right.

Further the idea that most well known spokesperson for my views is a comedian is abhorent to me.

[MrBadExample]

What people fail to realize about Limbaug is that had a Republican been in office he would have just as easily sold his services to the Left and criticized the Right.

Further the idea that most well known spokesperson for my views is a comedian is abhorent to me.

I hate to state the obvious but a Republican IS in office right now and Limbaugh is still criticizing the Left. I don't follow your logic here.

[Scrubking]

http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com/images/quiz.gif

OH NO!!!!

IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME AGAIN!!

[CTLesq]

What people fail to realize about Limbaug is that had a Republican been in office he would have just as easily sold his services to the Left and criticized the Right.

Further the idea that most well known spokesperson for my views is a comedian is abhorent to me.

I hate to state the obvious but a Republican IS in office right now and Limbaugh is still criticizing the Left. I don't follow your logic here.

My point was (poorly worded) that the man is an opportuniist. When he got his start had there been more money being a liberal commentator he would have just as easily done that.

[MrBadExample]

To get back somewhat on topic, bringing back the draft would be political suicide for the President but I'm not willing to believe it's completely ruled out since even Hillary Clinton is saying we need a larger armed forces right now.

[MrBadExample]

My point was (poorly worded) that the man is an opportuniist. When he got his start had there been more money being a liberal commentator he would have just as easily done that.

Okay, I follow you now. The problem is the top Republicans don't have the cojones to distance themselves from the nutjobs like Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

[coffman]

I believe the reason the draft is being mentioned is because of the huge number of National Guard reservists who are in Iraq. They have been there much longer than anyone anticipated. Considering the National Guard is intended for national emergencies plus the one weekend a month deal, it really sucks that some of these guys will soon be approaching a year in Iraq. All this from a president who went awol while in the National Guard and who joined the guard just so that he could avoid being drafted. Anyway, obviously more people are needed for the military. Otherwise, we wouldn't have national guard troops deployed. On the other hand, Scrubking is correct (I can't believe I said that!) in that it is ineffective to have people in the army who don't want to be there. Maybe if the pay was double or triple what the current rate is we wouldn't need a draft.

[PsyClerk]

Maybe if the pay was double or triple what the current rate is we wouldn't need a draft.

I'll let you pick up that tab.

[jmcc]

Damn this topic. I can't stop singing "bringing back the draft" to the tune of "Burning Down The House," by Talking Heads, now.

[CTLesq]

I believe the reason the draft is being mentioned is because of the huge number of National Guard reservists who are in Iraq. They have been there much longer than anyone anticipated. Considering the National Guard is intended for national emergencies plus the one weekend a month deal, it really sucks that some of these guys will soon be approaching a year in Iraq. All this from a president who went awol while in the National Guard and who joined the guard just so that he could avoid being drafted. Anyway, obviously more people are needed for the military. Otherwise, we wouldn't have national guard troops deployed. On the other hand, Scrubking is correct (I can't believe I said that!) in that it is ineffective to have people in the army who don't want to be there. Maybe if the pay was double or triple what the current rate is we wouldn't need a draft.

As someonw who is in the Army Reserver - if you think its one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer you have no idea what you are talking about.

It is an immense time commitment.

CTL

[Quackzilla]

http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com/images/quiz.gif

OH NO!!!!

IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME AGAIN!!

His fellow soldiers, the ones that had murdered civilians in cold blood, were criminals and it was Kerry's duty to report crimes against humanity. When the superiors don't respond you go public and protest.

He did vote for the war in Iraq.
The weapons budget had many others things attached to it, including many Bush-Cheny agendas including, some of which had nothing to do with the war. Andbody would see that as a catch-22. Vote for it, hurt the country, vote against it, makes me look bad.

He supports tax cuts for the middle and lower class, but he voted against tax cuts for the upper 2%.

He opposes the patriot act, but was pressured into voting for it for fear of having his carreer ruined.

He took a few corporate donations, but Bush's campaign gets over 85% of its contributions from corporations who benefit from the relaxed environmental laws.

He knows who he is, but hateful neo conservatives are twisting everything they can to get Bush back in office.

Scrubking claims to be smart, but all of his opinions were given to him by FOX News and right wing radio talk shows.

[CTLesq]

Hey Quackzilla - I have been conservative forever - where did this neo crap come from?

And the rest of your post is garbage.

Thanks

CTL

[jmcc]

Hey Quackzilla - I have been conservative forever - where did this neo crap come from?

And the rest of your post is garbage.

Thanks

CTL

I think the "neo" is a reference to the attempted softening of the evil old white guy image that republicans had. Remember? Compassionate conservatives?

Also: can you cite examples of how the points he makes are wrong?

[opportunity777]

What I find amusing is that the people proposing to bring back the draft would dodge it themselves, and would do everything in their power to keep their children and relatives from being drafted.

[Scrubking]

http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com/images/quiz.gif

OH NO!!!!

IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME AGAIN!!

His fellow soldiers, the ones that had murdered civilians in cold blood, were criminals and it was Kerry's duty to report crimes against humanity. When the superiors don't respond you go public and protest.

He did vote for the war in Iraq.
The weapons budget had many others things attached to it, including many Bush-Cheny agendas including, some of which had nothing to do with the war. Andbody would see that as a catch-22. Vote for it, hurt the country, vote against it, makes me look bad.

He supports tax cuts for the middle and lower class, but he voted against tax cuts for the upper 2%.

He opposes the patriot act, but was pressured into voting for it for fear of having his carreer ruined.

He took a few corporate donations, but Bush's campaign gets over 85% of its contributions from corporations who benefit from the relaxed environmental laws.

He knows who he is, but hateful neo conservatives are twisting everything they can to get Bush back in office.

Scrubking claims to be smart, but all of his opinions were given to him by FOX News and right wing radio talk shows.

Mission Accomplished!

Man, I love you radicals!!

[Quackzilla]

Neo means new.

Neo conservatives are not conservatives, they have a whole new set of beleifs but still call themselves "compassionate" conservatives.

Neo conservatives are usually very religious, beleive that the whole world should be westernized (and converted to christianity), and have absolutely no respect for the environment, even going so far as to say environment problems are nothing more than left wing conspiracies.


I think before entering a political discussion all parties should familiarize themselves with the political parties and their offspring.

[Quackzilla]

Mission Accomplished!

Man, I love you radicals!!

Wait, did YOU just call ME a radical!?!

[MrBadExample]

I think the "neo" is a reference to the attempted softening of the evil old white guy image that republicans had. Remember? Compassionate conservatives?

Actually the neo-conservatives are the extreme far right wing of the party usually very pro-military action, against international treaties, anti-Civil Rights (i.e. Patriot Act), and possibly evangelical as well. The usual examples given for the current administration are Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Dubya, John Ashcroft. The more traditional conservatives would be Colin Powell, Bush Senior, John McCain.

[PsyClerk]

Your neo-conservative definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)

Your theme for this thread:

http://home.nc.rr.com/clerk/images/torch.jpg

Sorry but I like the image.

Hey...someone has an alien avatar now! Brilliant! :applause:

[coffman]

I believe the reason the draft is being mentioned is because of the huge number of National Guard reservists who are in Iraq. They have been there much longer than anyone anticipated. Considering the National Guard is intended for national emergencies plus the one weekend a month deal, it really sucks that some of these guys will soon be approaching a year in Iraq. All this from a president who went awol while in the National Guard and who joined the guard just so that he could avoid being drafted. Anyway, obviously more people are needed for the military. Otherwise, we wouldn't have national guard troops deployed. On the other hand, Scrubking is correct (I can't believe I said that!) in that it is ineffective to have people in the army who don't want to be there. Maybe if the pay was double or triple what the current rate is we wouldn't need a draft.

As someonw who is in the Army Reserver - if you think its one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer you have no idea what you are talking about.

It is an immense time commitment.

CTL

Exactly my point. It did not used to be this way. I know several people who used to be in the reserves, and they did not have to put in anywhere near the amount of time today's reservists put in.

[CTLesq]

I believe the reason the draft is being mentioned is because of the huge number of National Guard reservists who are in Iraq. They have been there much longer than anyone anticipated. Considering the National Guard is intended for national emergencies plus the one weekend a month deal, it really sucks that some of these guys will soon be approaching a year in Iraq. All this from a president who went awol while in the National Guard and who joined the guard just so that he could avoid being drafted. Anyway, obviously more people are needed for the military. Otherwise, we wouldn't have national guard troops deployed. On the other hand, Scrubking is correct (I can't believe I said that!) in that it is ineffective to have people in the army who don't want to be there. Maybe if the pay was double or triple what the current rate is we wouldn't need a draft.

As someonw who is in the Army Reserver - if you think its one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer you have no idea what you are talking about.

It is an immense time commitment.

CTL

Exactly my point. It did not used to be this way. I know several people who used to be in the reserves, and they did not have to put in anywhere near the amount of time today's reservists put in.

And not precisely my point. My point is/was that in today's world, ie the last 3-5 years this is how things have been. So for people to complain that it is a drain on their time from the standpoint they weren't expecting it - I disagree depend upon when you signed up.

CTL