Xbox 360 Memory Card on eBay! My first listed item! Settled NPB..

[Technique]

This is my first time selling on eBay. I am selling an Xbox 360 memory card. Now I know it isn't cheap, but damn Toys R Us for not letting me return for a refund. Free shipping to CAGs if you use the Buy It now button. I am new to this stuff so tips would be appreciated. Thanks for looking.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8250496520&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

[mr ryles]

well I bid on it, I really need one right now so would you be intersted in trading for it? I have some newer xbox games if your interested.

*edit*

I checked your tradelist and seen you want castlevania DS. I will trade the mem card for that if you want, or one of my games listed in my tradelist. *it's in my sig*

[Technique]

well I bid on it, I really need one right now so would you be intersted in trading for it? I have some newer xbox games if your interested.

*edit*

I checked your tradelist and seen you want castlevania DS. I will trade the mem card for that if you want, or one of my games listed in my tradelist. *it's in my sig*

I might be willing to trade it for Castlevania+$$, but then you would have to pay for the eBay fees and stuff. I will consider that if it is mint condition and includes everything that originall came with it and it hasn't been registered.

[mr ryles]

the game is in mint condition and has never been registered. How much are the ebay fees though? I never sell on ebay so I am clueless.

[Technique]

I think it was $1.10. I don't know if I want to trade for Castlevania though.

[mr ryles]

I'll trade you straight across for one of my xbox games. THAW, SSX on tour, Burnout revenge.

[Technique]

sorry, none of those interest me. I'm mainly looking for Xbox 360 games.

[Technique]

bmp 1 day left. biz bidz bidz

[Technique]

bump

[mr ryles]

I just noticed I am the high bidder still. So just a heads up If I win I can't pay for it. As I bought one a few days ago off ebay.

[wubb]

I just noticed I am the high bidder still. So just a heads up If I win I can't pay for it. As I bought one a few days ago off ebay.

:roll:

Anyway, since you asked for feedback... Looks like a good listing to me. Only suggestion would be use an actual picture of the product you are selling, but for new items that isn't quite as important. And I'd offer optional insurance.

[mr ryles]

ohhhh don't make me feel bad about it with the sad penguin.

[mr ryles]

someone else please bid on this. think of how much you need one. It is very big, holds 64MB of memory which is 8x bigger than a ps2 memory card. It is very useful when going to your friends house and being able to bring your data with you. Plus you can use it as a back up if you're data ever gets deleted off of your HDD.

someone please just bid higher than me so I don't have to become the asshole out of this.

[mr ryles]

bump, come on put in a bid.

[Technique]

wait,so you arn't going to pay? you should have thought of that before you bid on another one. now what am I going to do?

[mr ryles]

I'm trying to help you out here, If you can somehow cancel the auction I will gladly pay the ebay fees or whatever they are for pulling the item. (I have never sold anything on ebay so I don't know).

But ya basically I got a memory card the other day and I don't want to pay for another one.

[Technique]

Well, I can't cancel because of this, " Your listing can't be ended early if there are bids on the item, the reserve price has been met, or the listing ends in 12 hours or less"


So I guess you will have to pay me back or something.

[daroga]

Mr. Ryles, you are contractually obligated to pay. You agreed to that when you put your bid in. Nothing good will happen to you if you don't.

[Technique]

Mr. Ryles, I don't think you understand how eBay works. You can't just bid on something and then bid on the same thing on a different auction and hope that you win one for cheaper and then not pay the other higher amount. I don't see why I should let this slide as you have waisted my time and money. If I let this slide, I don't think $1.20 is going to make up for what I should have been paid. I'll send you a PM here in a second...

[Technique]

Actually, you know what, screw that PM. You either pay me or I leave negative feedback and report this to ebay.

[mr ryles]

Mr. Ryles, I don't think you understand how eBay works. You can't just bid on something and then bid on the same thing on a different auction and hope that you win one for cheaper and then not pay the other higher amount. I don't see why I should let this slide as you have waisted my time and money. If I let this slide, I don't think $1.20 is going to make up for what I should have been paid. I'll send you a PM here in a second...

the way I see it as a buisness okay. I am the buyer and I already have the item I was looking for so thus I should be able to "cancel" per say my order if I no longer need it. I am the customer and if I don't want to buy it I shouldn't have to.

Now don't get me wrong I totally see things from your point of view, which is why I would pay the ebay fees for "wasting" your time. Now you can go ahead and leave me negative feedback on ebay if you wish.

[wubb]

Having your FIRST listing end with a NPB just sucks. And from a fellow CAGer to boot. Terrible luck. My first few really bugged me, but now I've learned to just send the buyer a few reminder e-mails and after no response open a NPB report and move on. It's true that the buyer is obligated to pay, but in practice nothing is going to force him to do so.

You can either

Take him up on his offer to pay you a little and do a 'mutually agreed to cancel the sale' NPB report (ryles doesn't get a strike and you get your FVF credited back to your eBay account) You might have to wait 7 days to file the NPB report even if you've both decided to cancel. I'm not sure.

or

File a NPB report (you have to wait 7 days) and after another 7 days (or longer if he responds) you can get your FVF credited and he'll be hit with a strike. (Three of those and you are kicked off eBay.)

Either way you just get your FVF credited, not the insertion fee (or any other upgrade fees.) You can get your original insertion fee back by relisting and having it sell. If it doesn't sell you'd then be out 2 insertion fees.

And I generally don't leave bad FB for NPBs for fear of receiving a retaliatory neg. Of course in this case if ryles did that to you, he'd really catch some crap here.

[Technique]

so let me get this straight. you didn't know that when you click that bid button you enter a binding contract, for if you win you have to pay the auction's ending amount? you didn't know that when you bid on two of the same items and win them both, you HAVE to pay for both of them? You should have known damn well how ebay works before you go out and bid all of the place.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should do?
I can't think right now, I just woke up, I'll come back later.

[Technique]

Having your FIRST listing end with a NPB just sucks. And from a fellow CAGer to boot. Terrible luck. My first few really bugged me, but now I've learned to just send the buyer a few reminder e-mails and after no response open a NPB report and move on. It's true that the buyer is obligated to pay, but in practice nothing is going to force him to do so.

You can either

Take him up on his offer to pay you a little and do a 'mutually agreed to cancel the sale' NPB report (ryles doesn't get a strike and you get your FVF credited back to your eBay account) You might have to wait 7 days to file the NPB report even if you've both decided to cancel. I'm not sure.

or

File a NPB report (you have to wait 7 days) and after another 7 days (or longer if he responds) you can get your FVF credited and he'll be hit with a strike. (Three of those and you are kicked off eBay.)

Either way you just get your FVF credited, not the insertion fee (or any other upgrade fees.) You can get your original insertion fee back by relisting and having it sell. If it doesn't sell you'd then be out 2 insertion fees.

And I generally don't leave bad FB for NPBs for fear of receiving a retaliatory neg. Of course in this case if ryles did that to you, he'd really catch some crap here.


Thanks for the help, wubb. I guess I'll just wait a little bit for ryle's response before I do anything else.

[battleroyal33]

To the seller,,, Were you aware of the fact that you can cancel any bid placed on your auctions prior to it ending.. You should have done that..

[Mookyjooky]

Lol, when I first read this, I was like Technique needs to stop blasting someone in his title...

Then I read on... and saw how much of a dick Mr. Ryles was being. Then reading on and seeing him make up his own rules for a contractual purchase was ridiculous.

Believe or not, eBay isnt a common business... its a auction. Meaning there are laws that protect it that common businesses dont have. When you bid, you make a contract that binds you to that auction. Hence the "Are you sure you want to bid?" site that pops up after you hit "Bid now!" button... if you actually read that, it shows about how this is a contract, blah blah blah.... People sue other people over eBay all the time, thats the nature of the beast.

So, now that you've bid (and won!), you have to pay it... you digitally signed a contract that says you do. That fact that you screwed a CAG is the best part though, no wait, the best part is when you made up your own rules of what an auction was... that was the best.

[Mookyjooky]

To the seller,,, Were you aware of the fact that you can cancel any bid placed on your auctions prior to it ending.. You should have done that..

Ummmm, no... Mr Ryles should of never bid... and if Mr Ryles wasnt such an ass... maybe Tech would of cancelled his bid for him.

[pimpinc333]

To the seller,,, Were you aware of the fact that you can cancel any bid placed on your auctions prior to it ending.. You should have done that..

Yea right bro. Why should the seller go out of his way. The buyer is responsible for this. Mr. Ryles shouldn't have bid on more then one auction withing 12 hours of each other. That way if he won one he would still be able to retract his bid on the other.

Just last week Mr. Ryles accused me of changing my auction listing time. He mistakenly though my auction was ending that night when he placed his bid of $11.31 on Tiger Woods 06. But he couldn't read and it wasn't ending til 3 days.

Here is the link to my thread where he does this.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80087

Mr.Ryles isn't off to a good start on Ebay. I just think he is impatient.

[Technique]

To the seller,,, Were you aware of the fact that you can cancel any bid placed on your auctions prior to it ending.. You should have done that..

I tried that, but it wouldn't let me because the time left was 12 hours or less.

[electrictroy]

someone else please bid on this. Buyer - Why don't you just cancel your bid? DUH.I already have the item I was looking for so thus I should be able to "cancel" per say my order if I no longer need it. I am the customer and if I don't want to buy it I shouldn't have to. BZZZZ WRONG. The user agreement to Ebay does not allow you to do that. You're going to get yourself kicked off ebay.com if you continue bidding & not paying.Now don't get me wrong I totally see things from your point of view, which is why I would pay the ebay fees for "wasting" your time. That's what my last non-payer did. Claimed he mailed me $3.00 in cash to cover my fees. I waited. And waited. And waited.

Never arrived.

I gave him a strike. And shortly afterwards, Ebay BANNED the bastard. Continue on this path Mr.Reyes and you too will be axed.

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[electrictroy]

Actually, you know what, screw that PM. You either pay me or I leave negative feedback and report this to ebay. WOAH! Don't do feedback extortion. You'll get kicked off (like me). Proper procedure is to file a Non-Paying Bidder Dispute. Mr.Reyes gets a Strike & after three of those, HE gets banned.

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[wubb]

WOAH! Don't do feedback extortion. You'll get kicked off (like me).

Proper procedure is to file a Non-Paying Bidder Dispute. Mr.Reyes gets a Strike & after three of those, HE gets banned.

I don't believe it's FB extortion to tell the buyer 'Either fulfill your end of the contract or I'll leave you negative FB.'

I'd probably still stay away from explicitly mentioning FB, but I don't think eBay would have a problem with that.

eBay's rule is "Threatening to leave negative or neutral feedback for another member unless the other member provides goods or services not included in the original listing is not permitted."

That ain't what's happening here.

In fact they actually list these as examples:

Not Feedback Extortion

1. “The item is already a day late, if it is not here by tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback.”
2. “If I don’t receive payment by tomorrow, I will leave negative feedback.”
3. “The item isn’t as described; if you don’t replace it I will leave you negative feedback.”

[electrictroy]

eBay's rule is "Threatening to leave negative or neutral feedback for another member unless the other member provides goods or services not included in the original listing is not permitted." That ain't what's happening here.
I told a seller, "The games you mailed me are damaged. Either give me 50% or 100% refund, or I will leave you negative feedback." Ebay labeled it feedback extortion. But now, according to you, it is NOT feedback extortion: "The item isn’t as described; if you don’t replace it I will leave you negative feedback," is essentially what I said.


(shrug) Well whatever. I'd still avoid mentioning feedback. Better to just file reports & let Ebay handle the problem.

[wubb]

Interesting. Perhaps demanding a refund made it extortion. I'd interpret it as you demanding the seller give you money and let you keep the item.

Like I said I typically leave any talk of FB out of comm. with buyers or sellers. Eliminates the possibly of a misstep.

[dafoomie]

the way I see it as a buisness okay. I am the buyer and I already have the item I was looking for so thus I should be able to "cancel" per say my order if I no longer need it. I am the customer and if I don't want to buy it I shouldn't have to.

Now don't get me wrong I totally see things from your point of view, which is why I would pay the ebay fees for "wasting" your time. Now you can go ahead and leave me negative feedback on ebay if you wish.
From Ebay:
Your bid is a contract - Place a bid only if you're serious about buying the item. If you are the winning bidder, you will enter into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding."

A negative feedback and an NPB should be the way to go here. Do they still suspend your account if you have 3 NBP's?

I would also look into leaving a negative feedback through the feedback system here. Clearly, someone who does not understand what his obligations are should be avoided.

After that, move on. Theres nothing to be gained by protracting this any longer. Its not a big deal like stealing, but he wasn't acting in good faith, either.

If he does offer to pay the fees, thats not so bad. I accidentally bought something once, told the seller immediately and offered to pay the fees plus a buck or two for his time. Basically it was a free positive feedback after that. If he's trying to cooperate and resolve the situation amicably, this would be the best way to go.

[electrictroy]

I would also look into leaving a negative feedback through the feedback system here. I would not. All that does is hurt your own feedback (when reyes retaliates) & harm your future sales. Better to keep mum.


If Mr.Raunchy does not pay, I recommend everyone add him to your Blocked Bidders List.

[Lobsterjohnson]

I had a bidder refuse to pay so I used second chance offer and it sold. And just today she marked it as payment sent, and I no longer have the game.

Mr. Ryles has cancer in his brain.

[wubb]

I would also look into leaving a negative feedback through the feedback system here. Clearly, someone who does not understand what his obligations are should be avoided.



Do not do this. If it isn't a trade on CAG that you would have left + FB for, you should absolutely not come back in and leave - FB for it if something goes wrong. And eBay sales should pretty much never be used to leave CAG FB anyway, either way.

[greendj27]

Welcome to my blocked bidders list Mr. Ryles. Oh, and I would just file the Non-paying bidder dispute and you will get your ebay fees back so you can re-list the item.

[worx]

the sad part is that Tech's auction ended at $29.99 + $4.35 shipping and the other auction mr. ryles won - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41018&item=8249809606 ended at $35 + $5 shipping from a user who isn't a respectible CAG.

hope this works out guys :cry:

[pimpinc333]

the sad part is that Tech's auction ended at $29.99 + $4.35 shipping and the other auction mr. ryles won - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41018&item=8249809606 ended at $35 + $5 shipping from a user who isn't a respectible CAG.

hope this works out guys :cry:
Ahhh see this is fishy now. I bet Mr. Ryles has no inttention to pay the other guy also.

[Staind204]

OP: File a non-paying bidder on him and if he still doesn't pay then file for a final value fee credit. I hate people who bid and don't pay (this means YOU mr ryles) x-p

[electrictroy]

(sits back and pop popcorn) I love heavy draaa-ma.

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[mr ryles]

ok don't go start making false alegations by saying I have probably not paid the other guy either. Thats how rumors start and rumors are bad. I paid that guy in full right away after the auction ended. Now as joevan showed everyone I did bid on another memory card and won that one. And notice the auction for it ended a few days before this one did and this auction just totally spaced my mind. Then I see this thread saying "only 14 hours remaining" or something like that. So I decide to check it out and see how much his card sold for, and to my suprise I was still the high bidder.
Now it's not like I tried to totally avoid this, I noticed and immediatly posted on this thread (go ahead and go back to page 1 and read how it unfolds) at which point it was already to late to cancel the auction as it was down below 12 hours.

Yes I will be at the losing end of every attack on this I am not trying to win any battles here I just don't want everybody to come out hating me over something like this. I kind of like it here. :cry:

[worx]

ok don't go start making false alegations by saying I have probably not paid the other guy either. Thats how rumors start and rumors are bad. I paid that guy in full right away after the auction ended. Now as joevan showed everyone I did bid on another memory card and won that one. And notice the auction for it ended a few days before this one did and this auction just totally spaced my mind. Then I see this thread saying "only 14 hours remaining" or something like that. So I decide to check it out and see how much his card sold for, and to my suprise I was still the high bidder.
Now it's not like I tried to totally avoid this, I noticed and immediatly posted on this thread (go ahead and go back to page 1 and read how it unfolds) at which point it was already to late to cancel the auction as it was down below 12 hours.

Yes I will be at the losing end of every attack on this I am not trying to win any battles here I just don't want everybody to come out hating me over something like this. I kind of like it here. :cry:

yea - I only pointed that out to try to help your case out - I appologize for the guy above that took it a step further and drew his own conclusion about you not paying for either. Just make it up to Tech fee wise(eitherwith money or just taking the NPB strike) and learn from this eBay experience. Luckily the memory card still has a value around $30 + shipping on eBay - I've had 2 buyers back out of games that had a price drop in the time it took me to relist. :bomb:
Again, sorry this came down like this guys and I hope ya'll can work it out.

[Mookyjooky]

You prolly would of saved $10 bucks going the CAG friendly route, most CAG sellers give free shipping as CAG family discount. Now you just look stupid.

[secretvampire]

You at the VERY LEAST need to re-imburse the seller for his listing and final value fees. probably $4 should cover it.

[mr ryles]

Well there's not much else to say on this subject, I was wrong for what I did, I should never do it again the whole shabang-a-bang. Now lets just move on from it. Tech you can leave me bad feedback give me a strike whatever you feel is suitable. I will not argue whichever you do and you have every right to file your complaints. So just do what you want to do and lets just carry on.

[mr ryles]

You prolly would of saved $10 bucks going the CAG friendly route, most CAG sellers give free shipping as CAG family discount. Now you just look stupid.

That is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand here, just STFU I am trying to end this the most properly way possible.

[secretvampire]

Why won't you at least pay him his fees? You've cost the guy money, at least make it right.

[Genocidal]

I think mr ryles has stated multiple times that he is willing to pay the fees. Perhaps you should read a little closer before trying to stir the pot more.

[mr ryles]

well thank you genocidal for one person actually paying some attention. I offered to pay the fees for him to cancel before the auction was even over. I said that on the 1st page.

[mr ryles]

Actually, you know what, screw that PM. You either pay me or I leave negative feedback and report this to ebay.

I wish you would have just done that I already told you to actually, but you had to turn it into this big "mr ryles is a bad guy, everybody hate him" thing. There was no reason to turn this into a mr ryles bashing thread. Just report me and fucking get it over with.

[Technique]

I wish you would have just done that I already told you to actually, but you had to turn it into this big "mr ryles is a bad guy, everybody hate him" thing. There was no reason to turn this into a mr ryles bashing thread. Just report me and fucking get it over with.

Wow, wow, wow dude. Chill the hell out. First of all, YOU are the person who didn't pay in this situation. Second, I am willing to come to a mutual agreement of $4 or something PayPal. Third, don't tell me what I can and can't do. I can turn this thread into whatever I want, you are the one who didn't follow the rules and now you know NOT to do it again (hopefully). Once again, I am happy to come to some sort of mutual agreement. So what do you say? Do you want to work it out or do you want to just sit there and complain that I turned this into a "Mr. Ryles bashing thread' which I really didn't do, I was just stating the facts.

BTW, sorry for threatening you in the first place with leaving negative feedback, just the fact that my first ebay item ended up in a NPB made me angry. If we come to a mutual agreement, I won't leave a negative, I will hopefully leave a positive and I hope you do too.

So what do I do now? Do I file the NPB and then wait until he send the money that we settled on?

And to everyone that has helped me through this (especially wubb), I really do appreciate it.

[thebob101]

I say send you $4 through Paypal and leave it at that. I think both parties have learned a thing or two about eBay transactions.

[pimpinc333]

ok don't go start making false alegations by saying I have probably not paid the other guy either. Thats how rumors start and rumors are bad. I paid that guy in full right away after the auction ended. Now as joevan showed everyone I did bid on another memory card and won that one. And notice the auction for it ended a few days before this one did and this auction just totally spaced my mind. Then I see this thread saying "only 14 hours remaining" or something like that. So I decide to check it out and see how much his card sold for, and to my suprise I was still the high bidder.
Now it's not like I tried to totally avoid this, I noticed and immediatly posted on this thread (go ahead and go back to page 1 and read how it unfolds) at which point it was already to late to cancel the auction as it was down below 12 hours.

Yes I will be at the losing end of every attack on this I am not trying to win any battles here I just don't want everybody to come out hating me over something like this. I kind of like it here. :cry:

Well, I was in a way showing you that you have no clue what your doing on Ebay. I'm not tring to be mean or anything its just that you can check all the auctions you are bidding on through My Ebay. If its that bad where your randomly throwing bids around and can't remember what auctions you bid on, its time to hang them gloves up son. :) Throw him $5.00 and call it even.

[wubb]

So what do I do now? Do I file the NPB and then wait until he send the money that we settled on?

And to everyone that has helped me through this (especially wubb), I really do appreciate it.

On your My eBay page under Sold Items there is that drop down thingy. You'll have an option to 'file complaint' or maybe 'file non paying bidder report.' (I'm not sure what it's called exactly but it should be obvious.) If you don't have that option yet, then it's probably because you have to wait 7 days to formally do it.

You can also go to the Dispute Center (link on the bottom of the left hand column of my eBay) and see if you can file the complaint there.

And actually you should be able to file the dispute right now:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/unpaid-item-process.html

If you guys come to an agreement...
Ryles, pay him the money now.
Technique, when you can, file the NPB report and choose 'Mutually agreed not to complete the sale'.
Ryles, I think you'll have to confirm that you did agree not to complete the sale.
Tech, you'll get your FVF credit at that point.
And we're done.

IMO, taking Ryles offer to cover your fees and aggravation is the smart move.

[Technique]

On your My eBay page under Sold Items there is that drop down thingy. You'll have an option to 'file complaint' or maybe 'file non paying bidder report.' (I'm not sure what it's called exactly but it should be obvious.) If you don't have that option yet, then it's probably because you have to wait 7 days to formally do it.

You can also go to the Dispute Center (link on the bottom of the left hand column of my eBay) and see if you can file the complaint there.

And actually you should be able to file the dispute right now:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/unpaid-item-process.html

If you guys come to an agreement...
Ryles, pay him the money now.
Technique, when you can, file the NPB report and choose 'Mutually agreed not to complete the sale'.
Ryles, I think you'll have to confirm that you did agree not to complete the sale.
Tech, you'll get your FVF credit at that point.
And we're done.

IMO, taking Ryles offer to cover your fees and aggravation is the smart move.

Okay thanks. Mr. Ryles I will be sending you a PM in a moment.

[Technique]

Mr Ryles - I just sent you a PM.

[Technique]

Mr Ryles agreed to send me $5 PayPal and I just recieved the payment. Thank you wubb for helping me getting this sorted out and thanks for teaching me what to do in these types of situations.

Mr Ryles - let this be a lesson to you and to me.