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ryanbph
01-10-2006, 06:05 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142127.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142127.html)



Gates: Halo 3 not countering PS3 launch

Microsoft chairman says "super great" shooter won't release until Bungie's say-so, Sony will have own supply woes for PS3 launch.

Each year, the Consumer Electronics Show is used as a forum for companies to show off the hottest products of tomorrow. One mainstay of the show that's always good for an industry-shaking announcement or two is software giant Microsoft. The company's chief, Bill Gates, always maintains a large presence at the show, and this year was no different.

In an interview with tech blog Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/09/the-engadget-interview-bill-gates-again/), Gates talked about the widespread shortages of available Xbox 360s in North America, echoing words spoken (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142087.html) by Peter Moore, corporate vice president of Microsoft's entertainment division.

"The demand was phenomenal, and we did add Celestica as a third manufacturing partner," Gates said. "We think by the time we get to the 4.5 to 5.5 million unit level that the backlog won't be all that substantial. So obviously it's a good news situation, but we want to meet all the demand."

Despite what some would call a "shaky" launch, Gates remains chipper about the Xbox 360's first 50 days. "Well, you know, we're already successful. I mean, we're the hottest product there was at Christmas this year. I don't think there's any doubt we'll have a substantially higher share in this generation than we had last generation."

Obviously, the console's "substantially higher share" is largely dependent on its software library, and no other title will push more 360s out the door than Halo 3. At 2005's E3, Gates was quoted (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6124592.html) by [i]Time magazine as saying that Halo 3 would be released at the same time as Sony's PlayStation 3, which is due later this year. Execs at Microsoft and developers at Bungie both scratched their heads at the statement, with Microsoft's president of the entertainment and devices division, Robbie Bach, bluntly saying (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6134935.html), "Halo 3 is something that we'll ship when it's ready."

Gates admitted that his statement may have been premature. "It's up to the team [at Bungie] when they want to ship [Halo 3], and they're going to take their time to make that a super great product," Gates told Engadget. "So even we don't know when that will come out." Gates' comments already have industry pundits predicting that the game will likely now launch either in November, as have previous Halos, or around the premiere of the Halo movie in summer 2007.

With gaming consoles on the verge of transforming into "must-have" multimedia powerhouses, the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 have made it known that their aim is to appeal to a broader audience.

"This is a business we're committed to, so we're just going to keep doing our best. We actually think the size of the market will grow quite a bit because of the idea that we've got music and photo capability, we've got this Arcade thing to appeal to different age groups, and we're going to get a better breadth of games this time, so we think the overall total units between us and our competitor will actually be quite a bit bigger this time around than it was last time, and that's good for all of us," said Gates.

As for the PS3's launch, Gates sees Sony having similar issues that hung over the debut of the 360. "[Sony] will have a year where they're supply-constrained, most likely, unless the thing is a complete flop. I mean, every video game [system] that [sells] decently at all is supply-constrained for its first year," Gates told USA Today. "We'll actually have shipped over 5 million [Xbox 360s] before anyone else comes into the market."

RedvsBlue
01-10-2006, 06:07 PM
That fucking liar.

zewone
01-10-2006, 06:08 PM
If anybody believed that Gates had a say in when Halo 3 came out, be ashamed.

RedvsBlue
01-10-2006, 06:09 PM
If anybody believed that Gates had a say in when Halo 3 came out, be ashamed.

Wait, you mean Gates isn't god?

Maynard
01-10-2006, 06:18 PM
man MS starting to sound like Sony and promising a whole bunch of neat stuff before launch and than taking them back. For anyone who says MS is so much better because they dont do what Sony does forget it. Lets face it system launches are all about hype and now both companies are totally guilty of it. We all knew Halo 3 would never launch in time for PS3 launch this year. Silly MS, oh by the way they wont be shipping there 3 million units by whatever time, man two silly anouncments and a http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/MaynardLD50/addd.jpg


WOOT!

dafoomie
01-10-2006, 06:22 PM
It doesn't mean that it won't happen, but it probably had little chance of ever happening anyway. MS has no idea when PS3 is coming out, and very little idea when Halo 3 is coming out. I'm sure if they coincidentally end up being within a few weeks of each other, they'd be happy to move it to the same day. But, I'm glad its not going to be rushed out the door, or held back for months, to meet that date. Hopefully they won't forget to have a single player campaign this time.

RedvsBlue
01-10-2006, 06:26 PM
It doesn't mean that it won't happen, but it probably had little chance of ever happening anyway. MS has no idea when PS3 is coming out, and very little idea when Halo 3 is coming out. I'm sure if they coincidentally end up being within a few weeks of each other, they'd be happy to move it to the same day. But, I'm glad its not going to be rushed out the door, or held back for months, to meet that date. Hopefully they won't forget to have a single player campaign this time.

I think that's pretty much spot on. Gates originally wanted to say something that would get the crowd excited and fired up and probably came up with the Halo 3 vs. ps3 thing on the fly. Joking aside, I never expected them to be able to live up to that promise because I highly doubt that they could launch it so precisely. I mean look at the 360, we didn't know the official launch date until what? September?

ryanbph
01-10-2006, 06:47 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142127.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142127.html)



"So even we don't know when that will come out." Gates' comments already have industry pundits predicting that the game will likely now launch either in November, as have previous Halos, or around the premiere of the Halo movie in summer 2007.
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a big IF, but if it launches in november, and the ps3(which we don't even know that launch date either) launches next holiday season, he would have been correct. :roll: Now both suspected launches given, were complete guesses by me, gathering my info from alleged industry pundits who are making complete guesses as well.

Apossum
01-10-2006, 08:17 PM
not surprising-- Sony's CEO does the same thing-- says something that sounds all epic, when in reality it the Playstation division has other plans.

TimPV3
01-10-2006, 08:28 PM
For anybody who wants to reference this in any upcoming posts about how Gates is pulling a Sony and Sony sucks, remember that Microsoft said Xbox would be capable of Toy Story graphics, not Sony.

sj41
01-10-2006, 08:33 PM
For anybody who wants to reference this in any upcoming posts about how Gates is pulling a Sony and Sony sucks, remember that Microsoft said Xbox would be capable of Toy Story graphics, not Sony.I remember reading in EGM awhile ago that it was Sony who promised that. Anybody have a link to an article?

ramprider0
01-10-2006, 08:38 PM
OMFG! Can anyone imagine what the stores would be like if they launched Halo 3 and the PS3 on the same day???? Fuck that!

TC
01-10-2006, 09:46 PM
OMFG! Can anyone imagine what the stores would be like if they launched Halo 3 and the PS3 on the same day???? Fuck that!

It would have been pretty cool. No biggie though. At Bungie speed Halo 3 will be ready late 2007.

Spoon_si
01-10-2006, 09:51 PM
I knew bill was speaking outta his a$$... no way H3 would be done a yr. & half after halo 2.

Bungie can take 3 yr. to make this.. I don't care.. as long as we get a great game...

Halo series is 1 of the saving grace for the 360... Microsoft has to play their cards right...

DT778
01-10-2006, 10:19 PM
For anybody who wants to reference this in any upcoming posts about how Gates is pulling a Sony and Sony sucks, remember that Microsoft said Xbox would be capable of Toy Story graphics, not Sony.
it was sony (http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Sony_Playstation_2%7ERD-745383).

asianxcore
01-10-2006, 11:34 PM
they will probably be out around the same time anyway.

redgopher
01-11-2006, 12:54 AM
"Microsoft chairman says "super great" shooter won't release until Bungie's say-so"

THIS IS A GOOD THING.

Vinny
01-11-2006, 01:28 AM
You know... both Sony and MS talk big, but IMO... neither have yet to deliver on the goods.

CappyCobra
01-11-2006, 01:49 AM
You know... both Sony and MS talk big, but IMO... neither have yet to deliver on the goods.
And you know Nintendo has such a HUGE library. Sony/MS are trembling! :roll:
Sony and MS might have a higher crap ratio, but goddammit at least they have games to choose from instead of the monthly release crap Nintendo pulls off.

Vinny
01-11-2006, 01:53 AM
And you know Nintendo has such a HUGE library. Sony/MS are trembling! :roll:
Sony and MS might have a higher crap ratio, but goddammit at least they have games to choose from instead of the monthly release crap Nintendo pulls off.

Who mentioned Nintendo? I'm guessing you readily assumed I'm a 'Nintendo fanboy' since I have Link in my sig. And I didn't mention games either... because, the PS2 is dominant in that area of the console market.

We all know Nintendo isn't saying they're better than anybody so I don't know why you even brought that up. I'm talking about how MS and Sony keep attacking each other about how their next gen console is better but neither one really have much of an advantage over the other.

heavy liquid
01-11-2006, 02:05 AM
Yeah, doesn't really matter. When Halo 3 finally comes out, it's going to sell a s-load of 360s and games.

2Fast
01-11-2006, 02:18 AM
Did Halo 2 make any of it's 432309 original release dates? There was no way Halo 3 was going to come out that soon.

CappyCobra
01-11-2006, 02:35 AM
Who mentioned Nintendo? I'm guessing you readily assumed I'm a 'Nintendo fanboy' since I have Link in my sig. And I didn't mention games either... because, the PS2 is dominant in that area of the console market.
I don't have sigs or avatars turned on so your observation is moot. I never said you were a Nintendo fanboy. I merely brought Nintendo into the mix as the context of your previous message implied that Nintendo has already 'proved' itself with it's strategy.

We all know Nintendo isn't saying they're better than anybody... No debate there. Nintendo is pitching the 'different experiance' with the controller & I respect that.

I'm talking about how MS and Sony keep attacking each other about how their next gen console is better but neither one really have much of an advantage over the other.
I disagree. Xbox Live marketplace/interface on 360 is handsdown should be the de facto standard to do online with a console. Granted Sony is still at least a year out, but until there is the FINAL hardware, all we have are promises. Only when it finally comes to the store shelves is when will have the true comparison

Trakan
01-11-2006, 06:42 AM
Did Halo 2 make any of it's 432309 original release dates? There was no way Halo 3 was going to come out that soon.

Halo 2 was never delayed. Bungie announced one release date - November 9, 2004.

Vinny
01-11-2006, 02:22 PM
I disagree. Xbox Live marketplace/interface on 360 is handsdown should be the de facto standard to do online with a console. Granted Sony is still at least a year out, but until there is the FINAL hardware, all we have are promises. Only when it finally comes to the store shelves is when will have the true comparison

I'm not too big on paying for content that could be included with game... now that there is the marketplace, what's stopping a company like Tecmo from putting extra characters in the marketplace rather than make them unlockables? Not saying they are doing that, just using it as an example. I agree that MS owns the online arena though.

As for Sony's promises... they promise a lot but the end product always misses the mark by a little. Remember how PS2 was supposed to be able to render Toy Story? I'm guessing their hardware will be the most powerful but most developers won't be able to make full use of it. Think about it, if developers are saying coding for 2 cores (for the 360, they still have 4 more) is hard I can only imagine trying to use 8 systematically (though they don't have to).

dafoomie
01-11-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm not too big on paying for content that could be included with game... now that there is the marketplace, what's stopping a company like Tecmo from putting extra characters in the marketplace rather than make them unlockables? Not saying they are doing that, just using it as an example. I agree that MS owns the online arena though.
Thats the drawback. But, its also an incentive to continue supporting a product after the initial sale. Normally, there wouldn't be much of a reason, their money was already made. But, this opens up a lot of new possibilities. One of MS's talking points is "Episodic Content". I think this could work out great, if they do it right, it could add things on to the end of the game. But, they could also hold things back until later that should be included anyway, but I don't think most will do that.

As for Sony's promises... they promise a lot but the end product always misses the mark by a little. Remember how PS2 was supposed to be able to render Toy Story? I'm guessing their hardware will be the most powerful but most developers won't be able to make full use of it. Think about it, if developers are saying coding for 2 cores (for the 360, they still have 4 more) is hard I can only imagine trying to use 8 systematically (though they don't have to).
An ATI employee (take it with a grain of salt) criticized the PS3 design as being "unrefined". He makes some interesting points, but he'd probably say anything to jab at Nvidia and Sony. Doesn't necessarily mean its not true, though.
http://www.gamersreports.com/news/708/

KaneRobot
01-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Sony always feels the need to reinvent the wheel every time a new console of theirs shows up, so if the above is true, it doesn't surprise me. I guess they think it'll make their games harder to port to other systems or whatever, so OMG THEY ARE TEH WINNAR!!!111. Sigh.

Back to the topic: Good. The Halo 3 launch "threat," while kind of neat, was a stupid idea. Don't rush it.